The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1030: Europe's Political Panic w/ Tom Luongo

Episode Date: March 24, 2024

70 MinutesPG-13Tom is the proprietor of the Gold, Goats, and Guns blog and has written for everyone from LewRockwell.com to NewsMax.Pete asked Tom to come on the show and give his opinion as to moves that are being made in Britain and mainland Europe. Tom covers the Irish PM stepping down, Obama's trip to London, Macron's frothing at the mouth in France, and a few other subjects. Tom also explains his theory as to why American elites wanted to go to the moon.Gold, Goats and Guns BlogTom's PatreonTom on TwitterVIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cagnano show. Tom Mulong goes back. What's going on, Tom? How are you, Pete? I don't know. We'll see. Yeah.

Every 24 hours is, you know, is something new, right? Well, I hit you up about this before, I mean, probably 30, 35 hours ago, and everything could have changed since then. Right. But one of the reasons I wanted to have you on was because, so much is going on in Europe that I know that you're the guy to talk to about Europe. At least I know that you'll have an educated guess on what you think is happening. So I guess the first thing we can talk about is Prime Minister of Ireland, just up and retires.

Yeah. Yeah. So a number of things came together. I think all at once. And when this thing blindsided me yesterday morning or Wednesday morning, yeah, yesterday morning, like, sorry, I can't, some reason I all of a sudden thought it was Friday. And about, you know, half an hour before I was due to record for my patrons, which I do every Wednesday morning, right? And I just threw it up there and I'm like, okay, this is, I know this is important. I know this is big, this is a big deal, right? But I don't quite know what I think is

happening here and I just like I threw it up to the to the community to say you know come on let's let's do a little brainstorming I mean I I I fill a bust her for 15 minutes or so but what I'll say is this like Brad Kerr or whatever you say his name um there's a you know another one of these um ultra devotions that were put in those put in power in order to advance you know the the the technocratic more tech more perfect technocratic union that they're building over in Europe And he's been there, um, dutifully, you know, running their agenda for him. And he lost a couple weeks ago, he lost a major attempt to wokeify the Irish

constitution. Um, and that lost badly. And now, you know, when you lose, no matter, no matter what happens in a parliamentary system and you're the guy that pushes forward a thing and it gets soundly rebuked by your own parliament and you're supposed to be the guy in power with the coalition that's supposed to be that's supposed to back you like you knew was something that badly that already puts you on thin ice politically then apparently he was at the white house what on tuesday um and and did the dutiful davos thing of saying to um to joe biden that uh he would not you know stop supporting israel i'm not sorry he would not so stop surrounding Palestine. Now, I take a very cynical view of everything that's occurring with Israel and Palestine.

Okay. This is all high-level strategic political speak. This is not my personal opinion about, you know, whether or not there's a, I don't want to see anybody getting killed. I've had the same position on on this as I do Ukraine or anything else, right? The killing, it would be nice if the killing would fucking stop. Full stop. It would be great. No one wants to see anybody else die. But taking it out of that moral framework, because this is not a moral framework discussion,

this is a political framework discussion. And therefore, it's an amoral framework for discussion. I map Netanyahuah. to old British, Israeli, and, you know, conservative impulses or incentives, power structure. I map his opposition in Israel to Europe. Europe wants and still wants, even though they say otherwise, they still want access to cheap energy procured overseas.

at pennies on the dollar. They're still neo-colonialists, or they're still colonialists at heart. France is hopping mad that they're losing control over their colonies in, you know, in North Africa or Central Africa, the JCPOA, you can, if you sit down and you go back over the Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA, and you realize that Netanyahu was against it because this was a means by which Europe would get access to cheap Iranian energy. Go back and remember that it was Total, the French state energy company, that signed the first major exploration deal with Iran after the JCPOA was signed.

Okay. So when you put all that together, right, Thradker maps to Davos in Europe. So Davos maps to backing Palestine, backs Palestinians against the Israelis, against Netanyahu's, you know, purge of the Palestinians. Whether or not Netanyahu is justified in this and anything, that's beyond my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, I'm not here. if you want an opinion for me about that tough, I'm not going to do it today. simply because it's not about, that's not what we're talking about here.

So, um, now the Biden administration is a very interesting problem, conundrum because it's, it on many things maps, many issues maps directly to Davos. And on other things, you know, it's also a nest of freaking traditional neoconservatives. The whole national security council and state department have been. staffed with the worst Clintonista neocons, Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blinken, formerly Victoria Newland, yada, yada, yada. So what do you, so what can you say about that? Well, here's what I think is going on here. Well, part of what I think is going on. The neocons were put in charge by Davos to run the war in Ukraine, right, in order to pressure Russia.

it was their project because they're the ones that built it they're the ones that built ukraine and all of this stuff but never forget that europe was okay with the idea of fighting a war in russia as long as we paid for it and we ultimately fought it but the minute it became too big a cost for them they were no longer interested in it or more appropriately the more the minute we were no longer willing to bankrupt ourselves and commit ritualistic fucking suicide as a country meaning the United States, they lost their minds. So firing Victoria Newland from the State Department set a lot of dominoes in motion because all of a sudden Europe is left with a war that they've picked against Russia.

They're committed to it. And the United States is like, you know what? No. And then the second front opens up with Israel and Palestinians in October. And they thought they were going to be able to run that and they're running that game as well. and Netanyahu's saying no. And so now the Biden administration is trying to slow everyone's role in in the Middle East,

but at the same time for doing what Davos wants them to do, i.e. get a ceasefire. And, you know, everybody's lined up across the board on this front because it looks bad because now it just flat out looks bad. Now Europe just looks like the ones aggressing in Europe, aggressing in Ukraine, pushing things forward. The Americans are backing away. And they've got the Americans basically talking out of both sides of their mouth in the Middle

East. And now it's an untenable situation, an untenable shit show for everybody, politically and reputational around the world. So I don't know. I mean, I'm laying aside a whole bunch of other issues that go along with this. This is a good opening salvo. But I think ultimately, you know, Varadkar stood there and said, I wasn't going to bow to Joe Biden over support for Palestine,

but he was on his way out the door anyway because he had already lost the confidence of his coalition. I think that's probably as close as a good take on this that I can come up with at this point as possible. I don't know. You know, free associate from there. Well, yes, some of the more interesting things that were happening yesterday was Obama was in London.

Okay. Vanderlewin is they're trying to sell war bonds to... Vonderland, yeah. Yeah. Is that, how do you pronounce the name? Vonderlian. Vondelaine. Or, you know, or, you know, Vanderlion.

Yeah. Yeah, they're trying, they're also trying to freeze Russian assets. And then you have, then you have McCrone, who, I mean, you want to talk about sand in his mangina. The guy, I have no idea what he's thinking. What do you think that is? Is that, is that, is he, I mean, he's an old Rothschild banker. So, I mean, if he's being run by anybody, he's being run by the guys in London.

So that's what, that's my assumption. Well, you know, my, you see, the thing is that I don't, you know, I, Pete, one of the weird things about this is, remember, I don't, I don't, I don't map anyone. country to any one particular faction. Like I think there are multiple, I think there are representatives of each quote unquote faction within each country. So there's a Davos faction in the U.S. It's clearly a Davos faction within the UK, Senator Rontoing Blair and David Cameron and the civil service and city of London.

And then, and parts of the British royal family, specifically I would say King Charles. But there are others that don't map to that. And I, and I'm not firmly convinced to this, but, you know, for my, for my money, Elizabeth the second was a British sovereignst first and was angling towards, you know, she, I firmly believe that she backed Brexit. And, you know, she did her best to navigate the political waters of not, of, of maintaining her neutrality while, you know, putting her thumb on the scale, the way she, you know, you know, in the way that she was allowed, basically, politically. And I think she was removed. I think there was a coup, um, around that time, you know, they get rid of to lose trust, they rid of the Queen Elizabeth.

They, you know, Black Rock made its, uh, made its, uh, move on the Bank of England, blah, blah, blah, right? I'm not even sure where the Bank of England falls and all of this at this point. I mean, I'm, it, everything, we don't, we know, we're all speculating with really imperfect information. So, you know, you know, everybody listening, I'm not married to most of these things. And when I do, when I put these things out there, just remember that I'm bracketing with like high probability, not with confidence, right? Just to remind you, this is my most likely thinking on this. This is the most likely scenario.

That doesn't mean it's true or that I'm convinced of it unless there are certain things I'm convinced of. But I haven't, none of the stuff I've talked about so far in my. convinced of. So, well, I believe that Davos is behind Netanyahu's opposition in Israel. I believe that, you know, David Cameron is a globalist, right, of the quote unquote Davosian stripe. So Macron is absolutely like the high priest of Davos in European, he and von der Leyen together. And I'll be honest with you, I've always seen Macron as, and France as the pivotal country. in this because they're the ones trying to, they're the ones working the hardest to undermine Italy within a time, within European, um, politics and within, uh, within, within European politics,

um, far more than Germany is at this point. Uh, and in some ways, you know, they're the ones that absolutely want to be the, the weapons, the head of the military industrial complex of Europe in a post kind of NATO environment, which is, they're clearly angling for that. Um, So and and I think France has the most to lose because look them and the English got us involved in a war with Germany in 19 teens called World War I that the United States had to bail them out of. Then they did it again in the 1930s, 1940s and this little conflict called World War II. By the way, Winston Churchill was the guy behind both of those. And they clearly want World War III and they want the war three and they want the war. Americans to bail them out this time as well. And like this is the time when, you know,

it's very clear, I think that they're definitely feeling a, you know, this kind of existential threat that the United States pulls out and pivots pulls out of Europe because they can't, because they know your NATO really doesn't have the army or the, the, the means to quote unquote fight Russia without going nuclear, which nobody wins that. So that's a, I mean, that's a non-starter other than, you know, psychopaths taking everybody to the hell rather than lose, which is, you know, it's the possibility, but I don't think it's the scenario they actually want. They're, they're freaking out over the United States telling you, we're pulling out of Europe. We're going to leave you to your own devices. We're going to leave you to Putin.

And we're pivoting to China. And, you know, and we're going to do it with Trump. And in many ways, it almost feels like at this point, we're okay with it being Trump. And that there are forces within the United States that have previously been against Trump that are now going, you know, I can live with Trump if Trump's going to pivot to China. And like, that's what I see happening. And, you know, again, the new one thing, Nikki Haley dropping out even though she wasn't supposed to, like, there's all sorts of stuff going on. on here. So and then Davos is clearly calling in every marker imaginable to undermine what's left of the rule of law. Um, and, uh, our, our, our, our reputation for handling and handling

capital well, like that project hasn't changed. Now, so Elizabeth Warren with the wealth tax stuff and, um, the, the, the judgment against Trump in, uh, New York and they're going to, you know, seize all of his assets in New York to pay for the stupid. but fine, which is a bill of a tanger, which is clearly unconstitutional and all of this stuff. Like, this is all Davos. This is all a very Davos thing. And this is all absolute revenge for the United States trying to declare independence from these fucking people.

And that's just the way I see it. So, and Macron is, you know, literally trying to create a poison pill in Europe that kind of an article, I think he's trying to create an article five scenario to force the United States to fight a war that they don't want to fight or prepared to fight. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Kupra plug-in hybrid range.

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Two hours free park. just off the M50, exit 13. It's a Black Friday secret. Keep it to yourself. One of the things you texted yesterday was you said that you believe that a lot of this has to do with the Supreme Court ruling that Trump will, you know, that Trump can run, that Trump will be on the ballot. Yeah.

Does it seem, I mean, was that Newland leaving? Was that the Irish Prime Minister stepping down? I don't know how secure Rishi Sue next. job is. It's not at all. When was the last time anyone saw Prince Charles? Why is Kate Middleton disappearing? What's going on? I mean, Sunac is as a Davos plant as well, right? I mean, they get rid of his trust. They put in Risi Sunac, a guy who's, yeah, another, you got another British prime minister who wasn't unelected. This is very much a Davos thing that, you know, we will never go back to an if we don't have to, if we can get our guy involved. The only time there's ever an election

in a place is when they're going to try and, you know, when it's scheduled and they can't avoid it. But, you know, or they can manipulate events to get what they want. So, you know, Sunak was supposed to be their guy. You know, they put David Cameron back in charge of what? Was the defense minister now? Right? Or foreign minister? Right. I mean, David Cameron, who's, who was politically dead after Brexit. Now all of a sudden he's back in, you know, in British politics? Or, I mean, am I supposed to, am I supposed to believe this is air? We're breathing. Like, yeah, fuck is going on. Yeah, foreign commonwealth and development affairs. Yeah, okay. I mean, the fact that he's in the, the fact that any, and he's in any official capacity speaking for the, for the UK, is

clear evidence that the Brits are not in effect in charge of their own government at this point. And so Obama going to 10 Downing Street, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot to unpack there. The, the, those that see everything in terms of the U.S. is the evil empire and Europe isn't, see it as Obama's going to, you know, 10 Downing Street to let the British know what the, what the business is. And I'm like, yeah, maybe not. it could just as easily be, oh, by the way, Charles is dead.

We're getting rid of Sunac. We've gotten rid of Varadkar. We've got rid of Nick, we've already gotten rid of Nicholas Sturgeon in Scotland. By the way, there's a new sheriff in town. And you've been summoned Barack because you're no longer in charge. And that would be the read from your PayPal Mafia group and from my New York boys, Powell, Federal Reserve, if you buy either of our thesis about yours, the PayPal Mafia, mine about Powell and the New York boys, then that's Obama going and getting new marching orders.

If you don't buy into that, then it's Davos sending Obama. Why would they send Obama? They're already in charge of 10 Downing Street. You know, because Obama is their boy. You know, Obama doesn't work for the Chinese, and he doesn't work for the Russians. He's an American trader that works for the Europeans. He always has. Okay? So, you know,

they're already in charge of 10 down the street. Why the hell do they need to summon Obama for? Unless there's, you know, unless they're, you know, worried that, you know, unless they're trying to figure out a way to coordinate what's left of, you know, what they're going to pull off next, unless what they were actually doing is in the last ditch gas, a last gasp effort to coordinate whatever other shoe is going to drop in order to stop

what is happening from happening. Meaning all of this pushback that they're getting across all of these of these vectors that we've just, we've just mapped out. What's their next move? Right? That's the big question now. Like, well, how do they have, I mean, if you're them, if you put yourself in Davos, you ask you, okay, what do we get out of this?

What do we do? Oh, well, do you escalate again? Right. I was, I've been thinking about this a lot and was, you know, for the last few days and I've been saying to my wife and the hell, I even said to my therapist yesterday. I said, I had this creeping feeling of dread that something bad is about to happen, like something really bad. 30 next 30. Ron Paul just said that on Tucker Carlson. He said that he said, I didn't have a chance to listen to watch that yet. Yeah, he said expect the Black Swan event.

Yeah, exactly. I did see, I did hear that. I just marvel at the fact that Ron Paul can still do two hours and 45 minutes with Dr. Carlson at his age. Yeah, he's in deep fatigable. He's just an amazing, amazing human being, right? And an even longer interview than Putin gave him for Christ sake, right? Um, and, uh, so I'm feeling the same thing that Ron's feeling. And when I, I map this, right? If you've, you know, I've played games of Go and games of chess where, okay, you watch two really great players, you know, bind the board up by making move, counter move, move, move, and then the board kind of almost is, is, it looks like everything's kind of bound up and the game's like not going anywhere. And then all of a sudden, somebody makes the mistake and unbalances the board. And then we spiral towards end game. And that's a, that's an imperfect metaphor. Because I, because this is not a two-player game, right?

This is a five, six, seven player game. I was like, when I was at the Ron Paul conference and you and I first met personally a couple of years ago, I described this as a seven player game of Go. It's more better mapped as like a game of, a classic game of diplomacy or Dune or something along those lines. It's a classic board games, but you got four, five, six people fighting for, you know, control. And it's a finally balanced situation until somebody finally makes a move. that's beyond their skill.

Like you've got people at the table and the game has gotten, has progressed to a level where one player at the table doesn't understand the nuance. That's, you know, in effect, it makes a move that is like a, like a fart in a phone booth. And all the other players at the table go, dude, what the fuck did you just do? You just handed him, you just handed the game to him. And then somebody else screams, no, you handed to this side. No, you handed the game to that guy. and they're all starting screaming at each other.

I know I've been in this game, by the way, many, many times. We're all screaming at each other that this guy made the terrible, made a terrible move because we all can't see the ending. And I think that that's part of where we are right now. Like, I know that's what I'm feeling, that I can see that somebody made a big move here. And it's, the game is spiraling towards a conclusion, at least this phase of the game, with this bird, you know, this, this, this act in the movie or whatever. And we're just like, we're at that moment and we're going to spiral to that.

But we don't know how this is going to come out. And so it's, you know, everybody's really confused. And I think that that's probably the fairest and most generous read on this at this point. Don't, you know, I won't stand here and tell you who I think is going to win. I don't know. You know, somebody asked me this morning, where in the whole Star Wars canon? Do you think we are right now? Episode four, episode five, or so, you know, where we're right?

like Andor like the rebellion is forming and the empire strike you know I think the empire the rebellion is still like in its infancy we're still very early in this game you know how bad off how bad off do you think the world economic forum how bad off do you think they are right now are they are they so bad off that they're in panic mode are they so bad off that they have one of their agents running around out there talking about sending armies to you know sending frenchmen to die in Ukraine. Yes. And used them as tripwire troops

in order to get NATO involved all the way. Absolutely. Absolutely. I do believe that. But I also believe that the neocons feel just as desperate. So they're going to go along with it.

And you can see that from the polls and the way the polls are reacting to everything. What's the point of Israel basically alienating the whole world except for London and Washington, D.C., and I mean, we, I think we know a lot has to do with this trade routes. You know, I think that Israel has, is alienating D.C. Because Washington doesn't want, Washington wants a political solution.

This isn't a political problem for the Israelis, nor is it a political problem for the Muslims in the region or anybody else. this is a religious eschatological problem for them. This is a bigger game than that. Okay. And I don't have a, I don't, I can't speak chapter and verse to this. Because it's not really my area of expertise.

I'm being educated on it slowly by, you know, members of my community and, and whatnot. Everybody prepare themselves because I've already heard this. Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not, I'm not about to go into details on this one. I'm not going to go crazy. Because I do, I'm going to go way out over my skis and it's going to be crazy. But I just want you to, to think about this in terms of, of Islamic eschatology and how

that factors into Jewish eschatology and how that factors into Christian eschatology. And it all, and none of it ends well. And, um, but it does run back. There is a straight line back to Putin. Yes, there is. And there is a, you know, if you want to believe the voting numbers that come out of, came out of Russia, 99% of Chechens voted for Putin. Yes. That's a perfect example of what I'm about to say, which is that when you, when you, when you start to look at the the way this, this thing is laying out, um, I'm just going to to relate part of the story of the part of this is the the within islamic eschatology from what I understand and again I'm not an expert on this so do you know do your own I'm gonna I'm gonna like

do the Wall Street thing here do your own due diligence yada yada yada that this is the story of Gog and magog and that and that that's the fight that they're involved in at this point and magog are the forces of and effectively the forces of evil here and they've teamed up and they're the United States and the Brits, or the West in various, in some form or another. And that there's the, there's the character of Duel Carnain, who is the one who fought them once in, in the caucuses the first time, but he's the man who has multiple incarnations, or two man who lives in two different times and that the way the Muslims are beginning to see Putin as the incarnation of dual carnage, which is why the Chechens were so rabidly willing to go in and

root out the right sector guys in Mariupil. They were desperate to prove to Putin that they were his ally because they see. see the parallels within and within the prophecies of the Quran as to with this period in time today and how that relates to why Netanyahu is pushing for his end game for the second you know his end game because you know they want the rapture and that means building the third temple and you know, destroying, and everything that Netanyahu has done has, you know, signified this. Now, whether or not this is being done in order to create, you know, these events and, you know, like, that's a, so, and create these events in people's minds. I don't know, okay, but what I know is

that it's a very interesting framework with which to see this. And I know that Alistair Crook has talked about the escutology here as well, mostly from the Jewish perspective, because read his work over at strategic culture and you can listen to his interviews that he's done with with judge nap recently and and he's gone into some of this as well and i think it's very i think it's an important side of this and why the why nettingyahu's not going to back down and why he's going to poke this and he's like he's going to keep poking this snake until he gets to the united states to back him wholeheartedly about this because that's his only chance at quote-unquote winning And, you know, now he's lost, now he's lost American, you know, now the Democratic Party has lost

American Jews. And Chuck Schumer is now, you know, against Netanyahu. When did this, when did this happen? Right. It's just everything is spiraling to an very, very weird conclusion. So just, you know, again, I'm not here to, you know, I want to caution everybody about my take on this, but I think I've got it mostly correct in the way it's been presented to me. And Putin, the Muslim world understands that all Putin has to do to win is survive. And they will do everything they can to support him in that endeavor. And then whether or not the quote unquote secular Muslims probably who, and I would say someone like Erdogan or Erdogan is one of those, you know, where he may as a wild card in all this layout, right? Because if he gets what he wants politically for Turkey or what if he gets, if he just gets to kill Kurds, he'll be happy.

You know what I mean? Like, so there's a lot of wild cards here. And there's a lot of, you know, nothing here is set in stone. but, you know, what I'm trying to describe is the way certain people see other, way certain factions see other factions. So in this case, the way the Muslims see Putin. And so that point about 99% of Chechens' vote for Putin doesn't surprise me at all, at all.

So Iran, where does Iran fit into all this? I mean, it's obvious that Israel wants Iran. destroyed. If Israel wants Iran destroyed, then D.C. obviously once Iran destroyed because APEC has control over D.C. And even as people,

even as Democrats are abandoning Israel, they're still have their eyes on Iran. Yeah. So where does if the Iran hate isn't if the, if the focus on Iran isn't coming from

from only the Israeli side, where else is it coming from and why? From a secular perspective, taking all the religious stuff out of it, Iran is the crossroads of, in very broad terms, the international north-south transport corridor from St. Petersburg to the Port Chabahar.

And Belt and Road, the overland route of Belt and Road from, you know, basically Beijing to the Persian Gulf, right, into Turkey. So without Iran, there is no east-west land corridor for trade. And without Iran, there is no north-south transport corridor for Russia to get their goods to the rest of the world. So from a purely geostrategic perspective, Iran is the focal point of, you know, the, the, the, without any

religious overtones whatsoever. And this would then be, this would then map to, you know, old mckinder heartland theory about controlling the world island and all the rest of it and about the British through the Americans continuing to control the maritime sea routes around the breadbasket of the world, which is the Middle East and access to Europe. But at the same time, Europe is bankrupting themselves and now desperately trying to break down the Western financial order by seizing Russia's foreign exchange reserves and handing them to Ukraine is a pure provocation. It's a cheap provocation intended to get the Russians to go offside and go on tilt if you want to use a poker analogy. The more I watch this play out,

the more I listen to Putin talk and the more I think, more I watch what I'm seeing on the ground in Ukraine, I am not ruling out the Russians just replicating what they did in February of 2022 and trying to blitzkriek Kiev again. from bailors because at this moment in time no one could stop them if they wanted to so now what or the russians just move a whole bunch of troops into the into the center line and push from the center and the donbass but then that really just gets them up to the deneper river and secures the donbass but and then there's the what are the russians going to do in odessa now you know i i would argue that that the Russians have improved to anybody that they can do what they need to do to take Odessa at this point. Given the swamp land that is that area of the world, right? The geography there is just terrible from, you know, from Zaporasia points west.

So, Mikhailiev out to, out to Odessa, you know, they're not, I, I don't see the Russians doing amphibious operations into Odessa. Like, are they have any ships left? You know, I mean, let's, let's be, let's be realistic here. That's not what I see. So then it, you know, then the, so from that perspective, while Odessa is clearly a strategic goal for the Russians, denying Odessa to the Russians is also a strategic goal for the West.

if I'm you know if I'm Putin's you know military advisors at this point while the West dithers about sending troops and money and everything else to Ukraine Kiev becomes a very valid very potential you know it seems like a very obvious target to me but I don't know but you know I also we're going to get into the spring thaw real soon so you know hostilities in in that area of the world are going to stop for a couple of months while this well while the mud dries up, yada, gotta, got it. When you take into consideration, everything that Powell's been able to do to the euro and, you know, basically it's just a full-on attack on Davos, what effect do you think that has on, basically,

all these countries joining bricks, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, all these Muslim countries. It seems like people are just lining up now to join bricks. that they want to be in that partnership. Does that... Obviously, if they're doing that, they see the America falling away, and they see the rise of Russia, China, India. Is that just bad forecasting on their part? Or, you know, what do you think?

No, I think that what you're seeing out of Europe is duplicity, mendacity with all those words lying for those of you who don't like the truck in you know 25 cent words and untrustworthiness not agreement capable to put it in Putin's terms and because

of that you know hey and again no better example of that kind of of a behavior than wanting to seize Russia's foreign exchange reserves that was frozen and I and I

And I've gotten pushback from people on this and say, well, what's the difference? We've already frozen the assets. What's the big deal? It was a huge difference between freezing the assets, even for 30 or 40 years, like we did to the Iranians back in the 70s. But we've still parceled the money back out to them. And then the conservatives take the bait and go, oh, see, Obama's giving money back to the Iranians. Yeah, dude, it's their money.

And Obama maps to freaking Davos and they're trying to build a relationship with Iran. like this is all you're just being manipulated into believing that it's you know israel that iran is bad and is real good and secret muslim none of this is and none of this is real this is about the british trying to maintain control over the suez canal okay and like this is what this is about so all the rest of it is just you know you being gaslit by you know narcissists bright Bart and bright Bart yeah for lack of a better term at this point you know they've become a fucking cartoon haven't they so like um the from that perspective yes you know why wouldn't you want to line up with the people who I have that you know when they send

their diplomats in to negotiate and they send their you know they said to train negotiators and to negotiate they negotiate deals and then they honor those deals Well, a novel concept that is. And that's all the Russians are doing. And just sending Lavrov in to just, you know, cut deals and then honor them. Like, you know, holy shit. What a novel concept, right? I'm getting the fucking vapors over here.

So like, and on the other side, we're not doing any of that. We're just beating people over the head and say, no, you have to do what we tell you to do. And when I watch us do that, when I know that it's not to our advantage, it's doing it, then I know it's a fucking operation. And I know it's a fucking operation for someone else trying to undermine us to undermine our validity as a world actor. Now, I'm talking specifically about the United States. Then I have to ask the question, okay, who do these people work for that? They work for the Chinese? Maybe. But the more obvious answer is that they work for Europe, because Europe's the one, Europe's a sick man at the table that needs people to still believe in them.

And how do you make them believe in them? How do you make people believe in the validity of Europe? By bringing the United States down. And then by relatively speaking, Europe looks better. Or at least capital doesn't flee Europe and whatnot. And then you put controls around capital fleeing Europe and you make it and you just keep raising the stakes to make it difficult. And that's what's been going on here.

And it's been going on for a long, long time. So, but, um, But that you can't stop the rest of the world from going. And I'm going to side with the guys who, you know, don't abuse me and, you know, tell me the truth and honor their deals. And that's kind of what's happening. While we keep, you know, all the West keeps, you know, just abusing people and then wondering why they, you know, don't listen.

You know, I just keep saying over and over and over again, the beatings will continue and work till morale improves. And, you know, that's nice, but we don't have to do. we don't have to do this. They've had options. They have alternatives. They haven't had those in the past. Is it Russia or China having Nigeria drive the United States out of there? It's the Russians. It's absolutely the Russians. Wagner is there. I mean, it's the Russians. And that's fine. Look, we chose to play in that space. You know, this is about this is and this is about Russia protecting their market share in the European gas markets.

And this is, you know, at the end of the day, the Europeans are going to have to go back to buy in Russian gas, whether they like it or not. But what the Europeans always wanted, Pete, and I've written extensively about this, not recently, but I wrote extensively about this in like 2019, 2020, about how Europe views their trade relations with the rest of the world. They believe that they are the indispensable buyer of service. It doesn't matter what it is. They're the indispensable market. You can't build a business without the European market.

So therefore, we're going to put such controls on you for the, to allow you the privilege of selling your goods to us. This is the way they act. That you have to act in this, this and this way. You have to put these rules in place. You have to join these organizations and change your tax code. And it's all this OECD bullshit, right? And it's all designed just to make everybody as bad as Europe. and then raise our cost of production to the point where we sell our goods to them below our cost.

That's what they want. They're just fucking colonials. They're just mercantilists, colonialists, whatever you want to call them. And, you know, Putin's big sin is that he refuses to sell them gas, you know, at prices below his cost of production. Not this big sin. Yeah. People don't want to believe that they're still colonialists, and then you remind them of South Africa and the Oppenheimer's and the Rothschilds, and you're like, well, I mean, you think they just gave up on that? Yeah, you think they didn't.

Why would you ever think that they got, this is why George Maloney, you know, educating the world about the CFA Frank, the colonial Frank that there's used in the 14 countries all across the Sahel region of, of Central Africa was such a big deal. Like, I'm sorry. You know, and again, I'm not sure what to make of Maloney at this point. I think she's in a very difficult position. Then, you know, and her, her tenure in Italy has been, um, been difficult to handicap. But she reminds, but so much of what I see out of Maloney just reminds me of Trump. Like, she's bound down 18 different ways from Sunday and she has to make deals with bad people and she has to do all these terrible, you know, has to do a whole bunch of things that are fundamentally against what she ran on. And guess what? That's what they did to Trump. And today we're still having to fight people who believe that Trump is no better than Biden

and that, you know, because he ran with Bolton and Pompeo and Haspo and all these horrible people in his administration. I'm like arguing with people. Like I still argue with people about this today because it's like, oh, if you don't understand how American politics works, that Mitch McConnell was in charge of, you know, who got to be secretary of state and who got to be. we run the CIA and not the president, well, then you just don't understand. Then you're just a child. You should shut the fuck up. And that's just that simple.

And this is where my dander gets up because I'm like, oh, that's nice. I'm being lectured by a lymie or a German or somebody else about American politics, about how terrible Trump is. I'm like, why don't you go fuck yourself and call it even? Because you don't understand a goddamn thing about American politics. Now, when I get out over my skis about German politics or British politics, you're more than welcome to tell me to shut the fuck up. Like, okay, explain to me why I'm wrong. But I've done, you know, but I've done unbelievable amounts of work to educate myself about British politics and about

German politics in order to be able to speak about it in a way that is intelligent, right? I don't get that from, I don't get that coming back the other way about American politics. Everybody seems to think that they understand American politics all around the world, and they don't. American, you don't understand American politics. Great. Exactly. And so, you know, like we have a system that's alien to European parliamentary systems. It's, it looks like, you think it looks like us, like you, but it isn't at all.

Just like Americans are really confused about European parliamentary systems. You know, I explain shit about like the German, the German political structure and why the Greens with, you know, 15% of the vote can control. the entire German government as the minority party in the coalition, they don't understand. And I didn't understand it until I was, it was explained to me by a German. But how the German upper houses literally, you know, can be, can be brought to a standstill by, you know, like seven people having one vote in a plurality of German state caucuses. Because the, for example, because the Bundesratus, for example, because the Bundes rat, the German upper house, doesn't vote individually. The 67, there aren't 67 votes.

There are, however many states there are in Germany, that's how many votes there are. The state's vote is a block. So if the Greens hold their nose and just veto everything, then they can like shut down everything. And that's what they've been doing. And Merkel designed it that way before she, and then she walked off the scene after she, after she pulled this off. So I understand why the German political system works the way it does. And why, even if Scholes's coalition were to fall, nothing will change until there's, until the next German, um, uh, a general election. You know, that's why it was important that they got what they, why Davos got what they got. If Trump is elected, does he have enough people around him to tell him and to initiate the dismantling of what they call NATO,

which really it doesn't really exist anymore. It's just a, yeah, it's just an excuse, basically. Does he, does he have enough will or to people around, or people around him going to have enough will to make sure NATO doesn't exist anymore? Even the idea of it. I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to believe that.

I honestly think that Europe doesn't want NATO anymore. They just want us to fight the Russian. until the point where we they want a couple of things out of us they want us to fight the russians and lose that's that but bleed russia out in the process so that's such a bloody battle that we're both weakened to the point where it doesn't matter anymore and they want us to be ukraine right what's that they want us to be ukraine yeah and in many ways and then they can turn around and go see the americans aren't a good enough you know aren't good enough and that we need to have our own system you'll also note that

there's that they're trying to put their guys in charge of NATO as well. Like Mark Ruta as the head as a general secretary of NATO like that's a Davos move directly. Then we're going to put Mark Ruta in charge of NATO and, uh, you know, but we Americans are still supposed to pay for the whole thing and fight and die and, you know, for a war that Macron started. Did, you mean, did, did, you know, did, do y'all not. see the story that these people are setting up? And, but America is the big bad guy, right?

Oh, okay. Like, that's again, you're being gaslit by this when the truth of the matter is, is that if Hillary Clinton had been elected in 2016, the war in Ukraine would have started in 2017. Okay? There would have been a no-fly zone over Syria and there would have been World War three in Syria and Ukraine in 2017. But yet Trump is the bad guy because,

he didn't he didn't dismantle at all because he wasn't good enough no he wasn't good enough but he forced all it for four years he let he he put that situation he put that that that war off until 2022 and by then you know that gave honestly i gave putin more than enough time to build the weapon systems necessary and the drone systems and everything else necessary to be able to fight the war he needed to fight in ukraine and he's that's how we just why he's doing it now and why he's got the threats that he has. And you can even go back to the to the Russian state of the union address in March of 2018 when he unveiled all these new weapons systems, whether you believe he has, you know,

large installations of them or not large, you know, stockpiles of these weapons or not, or even if they any half of them even work is irrelevant. I can tell you that from that moment forward, the neocons were like, we need to attack Russia immediately. They went completely off their rocker. Like everything changed after the Russian State of the Union address in 2018. So,

you know, that was happening and all Trump was doing was forestalling it. But that's enough. Like, again, if you, it gave us enough time to respond to it, then they had to unveil COVID, then they had to do this, then they had to do all these other things.

And so it's a different world than it would have been had they started this in 2017. So give Trump credit for whatever, for what he did, which is he didn't start any new wars. And, you know, was he perfect? No. Will he be perfect as, you know, in the second term? No. And do I, you know, but will he pull us out of NATO if NATO does something really done? I think he's just enough of an asshole to do that. But will he be able to? Good question. But then again, given the state of affairs, Trump entering the White House in January next year would be such a monumental event in and of itself and a monumental piece of evidence

that, for lack of a better term, sovereignst forces within the United States have the upper hand. Upper hand, not control upper hand. That maybe, just maybe, that'll be enough. I don't know. You know, this is a, this is a very, this is a, this is, this is, this is, this is, it's not a step function, folks. You don't get the guy elected and then all of a sudden everything, ooh, we, yay, we all won. And it's like the end of Star Wars. We go up the, the, uh, the Death Star Star and now the world's a better place. Remember like the, that, that, that, the next movie was

the Empire Strikes Back. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it took, they had to kill that, they had to kill the Death Star a second time in order to win, right? You know, Like, it's a process. This is a thing that happens over time. And then after that, there's even the breakdown period and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, we're going to be fighting this for the versions of this and remnants of this for decades. You know, but everybody wants the childhood fairy tale and the childhood fairy tale doesn't exist. It's a story and it's a story to help you understand what's happening.

But we're going to be. be doing this. You and I, Pete, you and I, if we, you know, by the, by the grace of the universe itself, we'll be, you know, we'll be lucky to be doing this 20 years from now, right? And talking about some variation on all of this. And how we, you know, and how it's, how it's worked out. Because if not, then it's, you know, we're waiting for the, we're waiting for the flash. Yeah. Do me a favor. Humor me. I want to end on this. Okay.

Tell everybody why we went to the moon. Happily. I want you to, this two things, before I answer that question, I want to say, I know, because this is part of the conversation

you and I had when you, when you passed her games while a couple of weeks ago. I want everybody to really think about why it is all of a sudden that they've questioned the fact that they question this idea that we went to the moon. Right. It's a thing. All of a sudden, it's everywhere.

Right. everybody and we live in an age where we don't believe anything faith in government is failing faith in all of our institutions is failing and i part of me believes quite sincerely that that's part of the siop and that's part of the demoralization process we can't believe anything we can't believe in anything good anything brilliant anything big and greater than ourselves and and all the rest of it like you know we're even to the point now or you know having to do revisionist history on why we fought world war two and the valor of the men who fought it and blah blah blah blah while it's it's it's all embedded there right so i just want you to everybody listening to me on this before you you know

tell me what you think or what you don't think about how whether we went to the moon or not ask yourself the question of why it is why is it all of a sudden that you're even asking yourself that question who put that idea in your head where did the inception for that idea come from to to quote chris nolan that even though it's not a movie of um one of my it's not one of my favorite movies it is but the idea behind it is is actually interesting but i'm gonna be honest with you here's the here's the simple answer we went to the moon okay you know why because we built the sr 71 blackbird with a bunch of white guys with pocket protectors and slide rules and the sr 71 as a fucking is the ninth wonderer of the world. It's an airplane that is an unbelievable engineering

Marvel and we built that thing and designed it in the 50s with white guys and pocket protectors with side rules. If you don't think that we can't build a friggin rocket and stick three guys on a capsule on the top of a rocket and send their asses to the moon and bring them home, you're out of your mind. It's a far easier engineering feat. the SR 71 Blackbird, which leaks, which the airframe is doesn't on the ground can't function properly and is leaking fuel because in order to fly at Mach 9 on the edge of space, it only works. It only tightens up and works if it's like leaking fuel. It's, it's just an amazing thing. Go watch a, go watch a documentary on the SR 71 blackbird. And then come back to me

and tell me that we could do that 10 years later, 12 years later, we could send a guy to the moon. And that Van Allen belt radiation isn't that big a deal. And, you know, like, it's mostly beta radiation anyway. And hell, most of that is, honestly, most of it is stopped by the oils on your skin. And I mean, I can go into this. Like, there's a lot of, there's just a lot of lot here. And I just, I, you know, I don't buy it. Do I buy that every image, that we got from the moon is, is, you know, that's a good question. You know, is everything about the story, what we perceive, you know, what we were told. There's probably some, you know, government propaganda in there somewhere in order to, you know, make it, make it all function. But the idea

that we can't send people to the moon is crazy. I know. And I think where we are today, Um, is, uh, you know, I think there are a lot of people that, you know, don't want us to believe that we can dare greatly and do great things. I just think that that's part of the game. I think we live in a, I think we live in a series of overlapping demoralization siops to make us think that we don't have any agency. We don't have any real political power. And the world is, you know, you know, give me, if you don't believe we went to the movie, you might as well believe the world is fucking flat too. I mean, why not? Go for it.

I mean, if you believe in fairy tales, it's fine. I happen to want to believe in, you know, I have a, I have more faith in humanity than that. Just do. Well, okay, that's great.

But why? Did they want to go to the moon? Why did we go to the moon? Oh, I'm sorry. Well, then we start getting, into the whole suspicious observers thing and the whole 12,000 year disaster cycle as to whether or not you know as we we pass through the plane of the galactic ecliptic and the and the dust storm and the and the dust that that exists equatorially within the within the galaxy no different than

why we have why saturn's rings are equatorial around saturn it's just it's just a function of of uh newtonian um physics and capparian motion right um that every 12,000 years we go through, you know, we, we wobble through, the solar system wobbles through across, you know, relative to the galactic ecliptic, the same way that the Earth, you know, rotates back and forth, does this to create the seasons, right? It wobbles back and forth to create the seasons. If we went to the moon purely to find out that, yeah, this potential, that there's a, I can make an argument that, part of the reason why we went to the moon had nothing to do with national greatness and everything to do with proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that every so often the sun has to blow off an ugly shell worth of debris and it blasts it off and that it'll get and that the evidence is found in the moon that every 12,000 years and again you can go to suspicious observers you and watch

Ben's the Ben's videos on this and and the I think it's Douglas boat is the guy who's been the most prominent guy to put forth this series, this theory about micronovas. And again, I'm not sure that I believe any of this, but I'm willing to entertain it and I'm willing to like think about it because it does make some sense. Why would we go to the moon? If we knew that we were getting close to that moment, you know,

in the in the history, then we want to send some people to the moon to take frigging samples off the planet and then we off the surface of the moon and go. And we have the, the astronauts on record going, well, we've got a bunch of calcium carbonate rocks and a bunch of carbonate rocks. We also have these like glassy things. Like this is like, and you know, and heavy metals and space metals and all this shit. Like, where did this crap come from?

Like, and it's consistent with the basic theory. Put forth about, you know, the sun having that, you know, that we get, that the sun gets basically dirty every 12,000 years or so. and it has to blast that shell off. And it would blast that out across the solar system. And, you know, most of that stuff is going to burn up on our atmosphere. Most of it. But the evidence would be there on the moon. And we brought those, and we brought those back.

See, that's a better, this is a far better conspiracy theory than we didn't go. In my mind. Like, that would make sense that we went. And then we found out, oh, that's why we found out. And then we went and we proved it. And then we didn't go back. You know, but I, like, I'm just playing, I'm just, I'm playing devil's advocate here. Like, I've heard these things.

I find them interesting. I don't know that I believe them. Like, please. I, I, but I'm enough of a scientist to entertain ideas that I don't necessarily believe in. And it's a, it's, it's part of what I do geopolitically, financially, and, you know, and all of it. Like, it's what you, it's just intellectual curiosity. and then running an idea all the way to its hand. You know, does it make me sound like a cuck sometimes?

Sure, what the hell? I'm not afraid of that. How does the theory of Catherine Austin Fitz work into this? Oh, man, you're making me go all the way down the rabbit hole. So if we have a 12,000-year disaster cycle, and we have things like Go Becli-Tepepe and all the stuff that, you know, all these underground civilizations and everything else, that we have evidence of this and that we have a,

if we have a disaster cycle where we know that 99% of the population is going to die, right? Then we have Catherine Austin Fitz out there, you know, screaming about the $40 trillion of, you know, off budget stuff that we can't account for, right? Well, what of that money has been spent? And it's been spent to, you know, build underground cities to house a certain amount of humanity, knowing full well that this, that, that, you know, we know that the disasters come.

and we can't avoid it or you know and we might as well spend the money to you know have a opportunity for a certain amount of the population to survive in effect it's kind of like district 13 from the hunger games they built an underground they went underground in order to to keep the capital from one knowing about them and to you know um you know keep from bombing them from getting bombed not that i not that i think that the setup and the hunger games as anything other than the thinnest of world building, though I happen to be a fan of the series. But from a world building perspective, it's kind of thin. But that's a, that's a, that's just a story tellers critique here. All right. So probably pissed off a lot of Europeans,

Americans, Africans, Middle Easterners, probably a, you know, probably Chinese as well. And then a whole bunch of conspiracy theorists. So I think we're good. I think, I think, It was great. I'll be honest with you, Pete, you're the only one that I would do this with. Everybody else would be like, yeah, I'm going here. And, and, and, you know, you know, like, again, folks, these are things that I, that I investigate, that I talk, that I think about, that way, you know, am I, if I really believes in all this stuff, dudes, like, I wouldn't be living in North Florida,

right? because, you know, I'd be like, I'd be building a bunker in, you know, Colorado or, you know, some other place that's going to survive the flood and, you know, the other, the rest of the disaster. But here I am, I still live in North Florida. You know, talk to me in two years and we'll see where we're, you know, we'll see where I'm held up from. But for right now, you know, it was a lovely spring day here in Florida. Remind everybody where they can find your work.

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Tilda, in the name or not, do you care? I've started using it again just so that it could try to help people, you know, who know know just a little bit how to pronounce it properly. Even though I pronounce it at the beginning of every episode. I still get people who just, I mean, and if you're not, if you're like one of these people who's like, well, I don't listen to the show, I just skip past the beginning, that's fine. But if you're one of these people, it's like, no, I refuse to pronounce it, pronounce it right. I actually appreciate that better than, you know, not knowing how to do it.

That's fine. I will let them know that, you know, we'll make sure that in the future anytime we intersect with us that, you know, that we spell the name properly with the tilde. serious honest the god serious question dude i was asked i was told this three or four times because he's that he's not much of a stickler for detail which is how autistic how autistic is he not at all all right top thank you take care we'll uh we'll talk to you soon