The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1036: The Work of Ernst Nolte - Pt. 3 - Bolshevism - w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: April 7, 2024

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Of course. What I want to get into a bit today, I want to address some things that people have been asking over email and things, which is great. There's been a tremendous amount of feedback on this series. And I was pleasantly surprised by that. It's something of a heady topic. Like, I'm not suggesting that, like, people aren't smart enough to comprehend it. It's just that, frankly, not, like, you know, deep diving into political philosophy and sort of the history of ideas in a very abstract capacity.

That's not something that, you know, a great number of people are taken in by. and I totally understand that. But it's essential to understanding the development of concrete political realities in the 20th century. And if you want to understand our present and its nuances therein, you've got to understand these things

as legacy structures and legacy phenomenon of the 20th, a century, not just because, as we've talked about, there's been a basic stagnation in America and, you know, the former West. Even if that were not the case, even if there was an authentic dynamism to American government, and even if there had been, you know, a truly forward-looking and far-reaching and workable. sort of a path forward in policy terms

after the collapsed inter-German border. I'm thinking in terms of what Mr. Nixon wrote about in his final years, as well as, you know, kind of the Bush-Baker model. Like, I'm not suggesting people should look at that

as, you know, some ideal model or something. But there was, like, a dynamism to it, and it was relevant to post-Cold War realities. Even if there was even if there was something like that extent

in terms of intellectual occurrence as well as political will and conceptual ambition, this would still be informed almost entirely by 20th century structures, phenomenon, relationships.

Different as things are today, and much as I agree with people, including Mr. Musk, who say that historical time is speeding up, owing the technology. That is 100% true. So today, I want to get into some of these things. And what's key to understanding about Nolte and German idealism generally, you know, people, especially Anglophone types who have are marinated with a certain disdain for continental philosophy.

Okay, then there's just a fact. There's a tendency to dismiss these things as well. That's so much sophistry. You know, that's that's just a not particularly lucid interpretation of political realities you know, that extrapolates

the musings of of closer intellectuals to populations at scale. It's the wrong way to look at it. Even if you don't accept the posthal, it's ontological and otherwise of Hegel, of

Nolty, of Heidegger, even if this is nothing more than a conceptual horizon that became a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy in terms of how it shaped the European political

mind that's nonetheless a causal variable that is is is is arguably just positive of outcomes okay i take it a step further obviously i mean i think it's clear to everybody that you know i i'm very much a hegelian i think urnton olti was the most profound historical thinker and writer of the 20th century. But the way I understand German idealism is it's people who deal in studies of consciousness and things will be familiar with the anthropic principle. This is extraordinarily complicated, okay, on like its own terms. But we can't talk about political realities without talking about events within within the human mind okay it's not like there's some it's not like there's some actual political reality remote from human psychology that is

existing outside of our purview or something okay we're not we're not talking about astronomical phenomenon we're not talking about you know events of of a a natural scientific, you know, nature, obviously. You know, um, so that renders, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

that, that, that, that, that, that, of, of, of, of, of political philosophy, you need, okay, because you can't, you, you can't do away with, with, with mind as a prime move on. Okay, even if you reject the posthal to somebody like nullty. And I come back to say, again and again. All right. But it's also, to understand the entirety of the war, you know, this zeitgeist was the cause of the war, okay? And there was obviously like concrete variables, you know, relating to things like war technology and capabilities therein that upset balances of power that had basically been constant since 1648 or so there was economic realities

that you know affected and impacted the ability to manage populations at scale that in turn you know were decisive in as regards you know the capacity to mobilize those aforementioned populations which in turn you know had a tremendous impact. on the perception of states engaged in a hard power competition. That goes without saying. But all of these things, it key points to decision, as well as in terms of broad conceptual horizon,

of what the end game of these political ambitions were, can only be understood in terms of zeitgeist. And the way that practical transcendence was changing the way humans live their lives and identify themselves and quite literally how they lived and died nobody was more insinuated into that modality of thought than hit off Hitler okay I'm going to begin a series on this book um in the next week this is an incredibly balzy book uh and it was kind of underneath the radar

basically a breakdown of Hitler's second book, the secret book. And what Sims emphasizes is that Hitler very well understood the situation geostrategically as well as historically. And I've always made the point before that Hitler's primary op was Franklin Roosevelt, not Stalin. Sims hammers that point home absolutely. Okay. And in terms of Germany's mobilization paradigm, in terms of the technology, Hitler emphasized, in terms of his entire timetable, tactical and strategic, from September 1939 until December 1941, was oriented towards facilitating Germany's ability to defend against a massive assault by the United States that can't be overemphasized. Anybody who denies it is not in the game. However, what was happening to European peoples and what was threatening to render the culture extinct was a what was um what was was was uh was purely conceptual okay and it's uh it's um the uh the uh scherpunct

of that devastating idea or psychological tendency was Bolshevism. You know, Bolshevism wasn't just a way of ordering labor. You know, it wasn't just a matter of depriving people of certain freedoms, you know, that they'd become a bitch way to do. It wasn't just a question of breaking down traditional modalities of order, you know, Whether we're talking about, you know, within the family unit or, you know, in terms of how, you know, the races or ethnic populations relate to one another or the way, you know, the sexes, you know, kind of relate to one another in, as regards, you know, duties and responsibilities and things. in in ontological terms it was it was sharing the bases of of identity and when you remove people from any identitarian poll stars when you literally rip them out of history they're no longer living

as human beings in basic terms okay and despite what people claim and sims emphasizes this too Hitler did not claim that Europeans were some master race quite the contrary Hitler said Germany's racial stock has precipitously declined since the 30 years war. He looked at that as the shattering event, okay, that Germany never really recovered from. He said that the best European stock was in England and their leadership cast basically was able to dominate a good portion of the planet as well as preside over a divided society that had no kind of like organic like national underpinning, you know, and they managed to do this with like a combination of tremendous foresight, you know, unrestrained ruthlessness, and, you know, an ability to sort of

manipulate subjugated cultures in a way that incentivized, you know, cooperation, but also quite literally rendering like the best that those cultures could provide to this you know imperial whole okay

Hitler further said that the best European stock had emigrated to America you know so Hitler's like where basically left with like this kind of like shattered remnant

of what's what was potentially you know like a like a master race okay and And thus was all the more critical. Germany would literally die

from this onslaught of of suicidal zygaste for lack of a better way to characterize it. Now, this wasn't just, like Hitler actually believed this, okay? This wasn't, I mean, this wasn't just, you know, stuff fit for the bully pulpit

or, you know, before the Angeles socialist had anything approaching a bully pulpit, this wasn't just you know, these weren't just like scare concepts or some kind of nightmare scenario to bring ignorant

people to polls out of fear or something like that. They agree to which communism in practice like literally the practice of communism, Marxist-Leninism, it can only only exist, let alone endure and perpetuate itself if it annihilates all competing conceptual horizons. You've got to deprive people of the ability to conceptualize some alternative ontology.

Okay. There's no other ideology like that. the one reason is misplaced when we talked about an earlier episode this kind of simpleton's paradigm that's promoted during the Cold War of oh there's totalitarianism and then there's democracy

something like Franco Spain had nothing in common with the Soviet Union, a revolutionary communism generally, nor did some tin-pot dictatorship in the third world. Regimes like that forcing compliance or enforcing

superficial compliance you know by by use of the penal apparatus or or some or some kind of you know use of a military force as an extrajudicial means

of of punishing people and you know as spectacle that communism's not interested in that for its own terms. One of the things, I think in some ways is a really overrated writer, but Orwell captured the true essence

of Marvellianism in 1984. And that's exactly what the book's about. It's not about totalitarianism or fascism or government generally. It is about Marxist Leninism. When O'Brien says, I need you to love Big Brother.

I don't, you know, I I'm not interested in superficial compliance. I'm not interested in forcing you to do things. In fact, quite the contrary. You know, I need you to not be able to conceive

of anything other than prostrating yourself in kind of like awed and terrified reverence of this megalithic state. You know, and not only do you not, you know, the reason why

you don't resisted isn't out of terror. It's because you can't even conceptualize resisting it. It's like resisting God. Okay. And probably the best example of this was in

Romania. Immediately after the war, there's I can't remember his name now, but there was a Romanian Orthodox priest who when somebody's made a saint, are they beatified? Is that the term? Okay, I believe he was beatified.

That's the term. Yeah, for his resistance. They're the communists. But there was this, what came to be known as the Patesti. And if I'm butchering that pronunciation, again, forgive me, the Pateti prison experiments. Okay. Potetsi prison. Now, Romania is a fascinating example because Chuchescu was, he was viewed kind of in the west of this bizarre

eccentric. Obviously, you know, him and his wife were, we're similarly executed on live television, and that was shocking. Like I think we've talked about before, you know, as a teenager seeing that on, this was long before a live leak and anything like three guys, one hammer, any of this horrible stuff that you can, anybody can see on the internet. But, I mean, obviously, it was the only violent overthrow of a, of an East Block regime,

but, you know, for all practical purposes, Romania had seceded from Warsaw Pact. You know, Chusescu himself, he negotiated with Kennedy to remove Romania from the SIOP target list of event of nuclear war. But in terms of, despite kind of like seceding entirely from Veltpolitik, Romania kind of perfected Mars's Leninism as regards its internal situation. I mean, Purists will say, well, it was a personality cult, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Most of the detainees at Potesti prison were men who served in the Iron Guard. You know, they were they were um you know Ostr front veterans who you know were company level officers are higher

they were priests who hadn't done anything wrong I mean even of a you know political nature and they were psychologically tortured according to this phased paradigm

um the first phase going to involve this kind of endless interrogation over days and weeks with torture liberally applied

under the auspices of revealing intimate details this was called external unmasking but the interrogators I mean they obviously that any kind of anything relating to somebody's intimate moral or

sexual behavior they'd find that valuable to exploit against them. But this wasn't, this wasn't the purpose of, of external unmasking. They'd force people to do things like, you know, they'd say, you know, it's coming to our attention that, you know, like your father was actually like a traitor, you know, and or like, you know, it's, you were actually born a bastard, you know, and we've, we've discovered this. Or like, you know, your sister was a prostitute, you know, and she had many men, you know, and we, we've talked to men who, you know, who, you know, who, we've talked to men who, you know, who, you know, who, we've talked to. and in relations with her for money. And they'd insist on this over and over and over and over again. And, you know, they torture people into signing confessions

and stuff that seems apparently meaningless from a political perspective. But victims subsequently attested that you start losing touch with reality under these conditions. And you start wondering, you know, like, is that actually true? You know what I mean? I'm sure people will say like, well, that would never happen to me. Very, very strange things happen when people are incarcerated and add to that literal torture. Those people who love going out shopping for Black Friday deals, they're mad, like proper mad. Brenda wants a television and she's prepared to fight for it.

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Beacon South Quarter Dublin, where the smart shoppers go. Two hours free parking, just off the M50, exit 13. It's a Black Friday secret. Keep it to yourself. It doesn't even have to be incarceration. I've witnessed people in my own life who went to group therapy and started started adopting stories that they heard other people tell as their own. And they probably believe it, yeah. And 100% believe it. It's, the human mind is, I don't know what that is. It's hard for me to understand that, but I've seen it.

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, you're a worldly guy. And, I mean, obviously, I mean, frankly, you spend a fair amount of time with, with matters of the human psyche because it relates to, you know, um, what are, our, our,

our, our, our, our, our, um, it, um, you know,

the second, the second phase was called, uh, like, internal unmasking. Now, this what, this was us,

um, at least, uh, nominally, it was, was the torture slash interrogator, he demanded to know what guards or trustees or other interrogators had been lenient with the subject. So basically, you know, and say like, you know, basically like, you know, I, now, in this perverse way, you know, it's, it's a way of trying to, trying to

literally create like Stockholm syndrome or to generate those sorts of misplaced. sympathies in the mind of the victim. You know, so it came to, the, you know, the victim when in some cases begin to look at his torture as truly benevolent, you know, because even if it was totally a charade, you know, the fact that he would disclose, you know,

persons who'd shown him leniency, And then he'd be rewarded with, you know, maybe if he'd been subjected to a starvation diet, he'd be rewarded with food or something. Or even just, you know, the appearance of affection. Like perversive it sounds, you know, people do need affection or approval in some basic sense. And somebody who's been utterly destroyed, whose internal constitution has been destroyed. by a deliberate and purposeful, you know, regime of torture, even the approval of their torturer, you know, who's cast himself in some kind of fatherly role. You know, you see the police do this too. Anyone's been subject to police interrogation? Obviously, it's not nearly this extreme, okay? but that's

basically what good cop, bad cop is and some very dumbed down and obviously much less insidious and literally figuratively violent sense. The third stage was in the third phase. It was this it was this kind of public humiliation

ritual. If the person was, you know, if they were a priest or a layperson in the other the other than church, you know, the interrogator would do something like, you know, laying out a crucifix and, like, demanding the urinate on it. You know, if it was a political partisan or, like, a former, like, Vermeckta officer or Iron Guard, revolutionary. They might like force him to like drink urine or like literally like lick the boots of his interrogator or something.

Or like you know, claim to have engaged in in like disgusting sexual acts or something. You know, in this like E Michael Joan was not specifically about this in this context, but you know, he's talked about how part of the subtext of the kind of like normalization of pornography

is the kind of like assault, the intimate world core of the person, you know, and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, any, any, any, any kind of, private, um,

and, any kind of truly, like, private, um, boundaries they have, you know, and that,

that's a real thing, too, you know, um, but this was, um, you know, these,

uh, people were permanently and profoundly damaged by this. I mean, beyond the obvious. I mean, like, you don't, the things people think they take for granted, they, they, they no longer can. Like, they're not, they're not capable of it. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about, like, trust in authority in some basic way. I mean, like, they're not fully human anymore. There's no fault of their own, obviously.

but it this guy in Robert Graves is you know an English man of letters type of you know like a great war veteran his memoir was called goodbye to all that

Robert Conquest cited him and for comparative purposes in his book on a communist megicide Graves was talking about the experience at the front during World War I

and he said that he said the grave said that like the squalor and danger of the front lines being under constant bombardment you know

living in filth he said that like young officers he said after several weeks they'd begin to deteriorate a little he's like after six months he's like most men were basically all right

but they were starting to show cracks okay is that after nine or ten months these guys became a drag on fellow officers and NCOs you know like they were no longer thinking clearly

you know they um they uh they uh they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're constant anxiety

you know he'd say after a year of 15 months to continue with service he said even like the most robust and healthy the junior officer would basically be useless. You know, he was no longer fit for command. You know, at best, you know, only to his experience and whatnot, you know,

if he still had the nerve and the gumption for direct action, you know, he might be able to be utilized in like the equivalent of a stormtroop role. but in a command role not even close he said the real tragedy though he said guys over the age about 30 or 35 and especially over 40

he said that these guys had less resistance you know and in his estimation it's because they had you know decades of normal life to compare their current situation to He said, officers over 40, you said at the six months mark, almost unfailingly became, you know, obvious alcoholics. You know, they'd only be able to, you know, assuming they've survived multiple assault operations. They could only, they could only function if they were totally drunk.

He said that they started seeming, you know, complete, like, he said they started seeming literally, you know, like in a state of shock at all times. you know, he said some of them lost their ability to communicate in basic terms, like their ability to their command of language, it left them. You know, and Conquest says that something that developed in Soviet society, especially after about 1936 to 38, about 1936, 98 onward until about 1957, he said it was something, he said it was something completely comparable, particularly guys, guys who were in roles that were somewhat coveted, where they were in contact with commissars at all times and responsible for their people, but they weren't protected by, you know, the largesse

or the patronage of party men. Like a good example would be, you know, like a doctor at a hospital, you know, who, like a surgeon who was responsible for, you know, more junior doctors and nurses, obviously, or like a professor of geology, you know, or like a guy who worked at one of the design bureaus, you know, like overseeing other engineers, you know, he'd be under constant pressure of the commissars, you know, he, and so his whole family would constantly be under surveillance. He'd be subjected to things like, you know, when people he'd work closely with or taken away and either executed summarily or sentenced to the death camp system, he'd be directed to sign a statement saying that he fully approved of these measures against people who were engaged in

counter-revolutionary activities, regardless of his personal feelings about them. And like over time, this just broke people down, you know, and the workers and peasant who supposedly the Soviet state was directly, um, was, was, was oriented towards, you know, like, elevating, you know, um, these people, a huge amount of them, and we'll get into some of these figures in a minute, that cycle through the forced labor system, and they began acting, they began behaving like convicts, you know, in all the pathological ways that, you know,

people who are in and out of the prison system do, you know, and even if they didn't have, you know, pathologies going in, despite being branded as criminals, they certainly had them when they were released. And that's what, I mean, that's what's unique about Sovietism, and that's what's unique about communism, you know, and the people who, I mean, it'd be easy for, it's easier people to say, like, oh, well, that's their own fault. You know, why weren't their cadres of people who were cultivating resistance to this, to this regime? They were all dead. They were slaughtered. the Soviet slaughtered 10 million people by the time by you know before a shot was fired in the World War you know and that's

nobody's all point that people were capable of of harboring a conceptual vista of some alternative system they they were they were killed categorically regardless of age, sex, overall health, national origin. Because they were the standard, even if they weren't the standard bearers of the enemy idea, you know, they weren't malleable in the way that they needed to be. You know, the Camero Rouge actually perfected this. That's what year zero is.

You know, left revisionists who, like Sartreub, who actually understood Marxist's Leninism. You know, they were constantly trying to extricate the commuterge experience from revolutionary communism as like a postulate into itself. There's some bizarre outlier.

This is an example of oriental barbarism. You know, this has nothing to do with with rational state behavior. You know, there's nothing we can extrapolate from that. He knew that that was not true, okay? Aside from the kind of adivistic mythologies that, you know, the Khmer Rouge threw in to kind of woo the peasantry towards their perspective and, you know, and whatever, like, racial mythologies that were emphasized when they were fighting the Vietnamese, like that notwithstanding. Paul Pot was actually a very learned man. And what he, aside in the fact that, you know, Cambodia, Democratic Campuchia, as it was so dubbed, was a bad water that was devoid of the pre-arguise industry to facilitate, you know, the realization of true communism.

And in political terms, he was absolutely a pure communist. And that's what's required in order to facilitate its realization. It's not an outlier in the least. And people who are honest, like Orthodox Marxists, who'd remained in Moscow adjacent after the 1960s' schism. they it's subtle but it's there like they acknowledge that i find this fascinating but not for the reason something like to think um not merely so i can wave it around to some you know gotcha like i obviously it's like grotesque people think that way but it's it's entirely consistent with uh

the overall paradigm it would be dishonest for anyone who describes that respect to claim otherwise. But, you know, the end result, as an oldie's point, too, when you're talking about these monumental ideas,

you know, you can't just look at them as historical contingencies. You've got to look at them as not just as causal, um, as ultimate causal variables in and of themselves, but as,

um, phenomena that uh if that but phenomena that um endure until their full realization or until they are

annihilated because the because the barriers of the idea are annihilated the mentioned material of it um the purpose of communism is to realize communism

it's not just to alleviate tensions inherent to, you know, opposing classes amidst historical of evil. It's not just a way to, you know, kind of placate a radicalized proletariat, you know, in the short term and until, you know, some sort of new structure that has more equitable outcomes can be realized. Like, the point of it quite literally. is its self-contained realization. And the end result of the communist enterprise

is the eradication of culture. And that was the great horror in the minds of all who opposed it. And, you know, like I said, one of the only meaningful things in absolute terms you can take from mind conf is when Hitler says that a Bolshevized planet is a planet without culture

where all men you know live basically as animals with the power of speech you know and the earth is a the earth is basically this you know this ball of mud like spinning through the void

with no with no higher life you know everything you associate with culture the front of the comparatively prosaics and most profound no longer exists. You know, it's the world as labor. You know, there is no past, there's no future.

There's only the present and, you know, the realization of work quotas or, you know, the homogenization of life, such that it's rendered indistinguishable but for, you know, geographic location, which any more, has no meaning other than, you know, a signature on a map. And that much as people might have misanthropic fantasies about earth-without people.

I think those actually, like, some corny show, like, decades ago. It was like Earth without people or, like, the world without man. And it was, I think it was on Discovery or something. Like, forgive the tangent. And it was, you know, there was these. like CGI rendered landscapes where you know like skyscrapers are all overgrown and and just like animals have free rain and there's no more man to

you know a corrupt like the the pure sanity in nature or something but that you know people have this idea that somehow like without like the without the human mind to perceive things that these things might may well not exist you know um I mean, that should go without saying, but it's, I guess it's like the way people, like, imagine, like, what their own funeral would look like, is if they'd have some kind of, some kind of vantage point or something, you know, and in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, as a living human with, you know, optic nerves and things. You said that the purpose of communism is its realization. What's the purpose of national socialism? the posterity of the of the vogue and more immediately that's what I'm going to get into in

this pod series I'm going to do the regeneration of the European form of life to meet the challenges of the 21st century you know to render its mentioned material, competitive, at least able to survive onslaught by what Hitler identified as, you know, kind of like the nascent Anglo-Saxon hegemony or hegemon. Hitler accurately, that's another thing about the Sims book that I think needs to be emphasized. Hitler was incredibly he knew exactly what was underway in terms of the strategic historical situation. And the second book, he makes the point that

America contains about fully 50% of the world's actual capital and resources. You know, he says that once fully mobilized, America will be unstoppable. He said it'll be unlike any hegemon the world's ever seen. and he said that, you know, unless some sort of total regeneration occurs in Europe, he wasn't talking in some kind of strassarist notion of, you know, like a United States of Europe,

like literally like a palingenetic revival of the race. You know, and he had, Hitler had no use for petted nationalism. But his idea of a European superpower was very different than what people like the Straser suggested, is my point. But he said that, you know, unless this happens, assuming that, assuming Germany could fend off a Soviet assault, which at present, then present being, you know, 1933, it could not. But he said even if it could, he said that Europe would basically become, you know, the battleground between the United States. in the Soviet Union for world he he said that you know the danger of the Soviet Union is the danger that's always been presented by Europe which is essentially an

indefensible peninsula you know populated by a world minority of peoples um facing uh without without any without any you know there's no Sahara desert in Europe there's no sort of like natural rampart you know um there the you know the the immediate physical threat to european civilization is the billion strong hordes of the of the barbarian east you know but he said that this is um you know the the the graver like absolute like literally global threat is um is america you know because it's a complete, because it's completely

it completely like neutralizes everything people had there to part taken for granted about hard power and the capacity to Marshall Capital and the service of hard power.

How he viewed the American people as nuanced. And fascinatingly and Sims gets into this too. Despite this kind of like like this ongoing kind of liberal fixation was like oh Hitler was a confederate

and he loved slavery and hated black people. Heller said almost nothing about black people other than that he said that transplanting you know hundreds of thousands of African slaves to the new world he said was

he said was something that reminiscent of an of an artifact of a barbaric civilization And he said it was beneath America to do that and totally unnecessary. You know, he admired the kind of northern industrial might of the union. He said that, you know, the cream of German racial stock, the tune of 5.9 million people over a few centuries had emirated to America. he's like these people are the backbone of American power.

You know, and he said that, you know, some of the best of the Anglophone leadership cast that sort of like assimilated them into their own ranks. Like he's basically saying, like, this is a recipe for utterly like unstoppable power and like full spectrum dominance, like economic, military, culture. in every conceivable way, you know, but he said that there's like an underlying rootlessness there that's very much been co-opted, you know, by a Jewish modernist perspective. This is different than the threat. It's different but related in terms of a constellation of of zeitgeist-related factors, like writ large. It's different. It's different.

different than, you know, the Soviet threat, but it's derived from the same, it's derived from the same historical crisis, okay? And he makes the point in the second book that it's not accidental that, you know, Americanism and Sovietism will, like, find common cause for limited purposes, because they're not actually Manichaean opposites. There's a reconcilable differences between them. You know, he said, given conditions of parity, they destroy each other, But they're not like mortal enemies or something, you know, in absolute terms. And but that's, I didn't mean to go so far like a field. But it, um, the, uh, what I did want to get a little bit into, and for me if I'm jumping around a bit,

um, a lot of people over, uh, over email and whatnot, they've been asking in comparative terms about, like, to what degree, like, the social. Soviet Union had like a camp system. And I make the point, and I'm relying on Robert Conquist for this, the Soviets had a death camp system writ large. Its purpose

was to categorically exterminate people. There were hundreds of these camps purpose towards that end in the frozen you know tundra of what was

was the Soviet Far East. This is the territory, I mean, for people keen to, like, geology and, you know, the, like, earth science and stuff. I mean, this is, uh, this is literally, you know, um, like the Ice Age, you know, like World Island. You know, this is where the, this is the, this is the, this is where the polar bear develops. This is the, this is where mammoths stalked the land, you know, until 50,000 years ago, whatever, you know,

Conquest called it an empire of camps that existed from 1931 until approximately 1957. I mean, the scale of this in 1930, mid-1930, as the security apparatus was sort of consolidating and

leaving behind the revolutionary phase and developing into a like a true kind of penal system and extermination system to categorically manipulate population outcomes in mortal, mortal terms. By that point, the OGPU was the precursor to the NKVB, which was the precursor to the KGB. It was constantly reconstituting itself in these days, which I believe was very purposeful to make it difficult to identify what spheres of responsibility were. And the communists were singularly obsessed with manipulating the historical record for reasons that are obvious.

I mean, we've definitely been talking about this past hour. But, you know, this was, I mean, Stalin famously literally, you know, like would redact people from the record. only photographic evidence of them. But one of the reasons why, I mean, any rigorous historian, like, it's, if, understand that if anything, the death toll presented even by rigorous revisionist, like conquest is understated. But superficially, this kind of a constant manipulation of vernacular

and nomenclature provided the Soviets with an alibi and they're a story of apologists today in in some sense despite the ubiquity of information that it has the same function

but what's an arguable is that by mid-1930 there's approximately 140,000 prisoners already in these camps run by the GPU initially these sort of huge labor projects the first of which was

digging a canal from connecting the white sea to the Baltic which for perspective this alone required well over 100,000 laborers, okay? And what better way to avail a labor pool

than, you know, to capture tens of thousands of able-bodied men you know, who either are categorized as, you know, political unreliables or members of ethnic groups that have been, you know, determined to be, you know, unassimilable or a resistant to, you know, the, the kind of de-ethnification of peoples. You know, you can brand these men criminals and then, you know, you can essentially work them to death on these on these massive

public work projects, you know, as slaves, literally. Even worse, I mean, they're expendables, you know, you don't work your slaves to death, you know, if, um, under, you know, under ordinary conditions of

a chattel slavery. But, um, from 1930 onward, the number of people receiving some a custodial sentence just astronomically rose. In 1929, there was somewhere between 50,000 and 60,000 people who were sentenced by the OGPU. A year later, there was over 200,000. But in 1931, it was 1,230,000.

I mean, this is astronomical, okay? and we're talking about, you know, we're not talking about a matter of decades, we're talking about the span of a year. You know, the camp, the population in these camps, you know, labor camps and death camps, you know, increasing fivefold over, you know, a million people. There was, within this far eastern camp system, there was between 100 and 100,000, in any given time, it's absolutely dwarfs the camp system of the Third Reich. I mean, absolutely dwarfs it. Even if you accept at face value, everything alleged at Nuremberg, you know, it's, it's comparing an ant to an elephant. The OGPU further, in 1932, absorbed 700 small penal colonies and, um,

and jails and prisons, you know, where the people have been serving sentences from anything from petty theft to homicide. These camps and prisons have formerly been run by what's called the People's Commissariat of Justice. And the OGPU declared that, you know, these were being inefficiently administered. So they absorbed, you know, what amounted to the conventional, you know, prison population. and began working these people to death, you know, on these public works projects. On January 1st, in New Year's Day, 1935, this newly unified system, according to Soviet records, there was 950,000 prisoners in it. Over 700,000 were in work camps, and 240,000 were in work colonies.

Now, mind you, and reading between the lines and Congress made this point, there was these discrete smaller units, and there's no explanation for why they were so organized. Presumably, that's where actual dangerous criminals were housed. But everybody else, the overwhelming majority had done nothing at all wrong. But everything in the Soviet Union under what was called Article 58, which was this catch-off. penal law, absenteeism from work was a crime, destroying Soviet property was a crime, hooliganism, which translates approximately to disorderly conduct. That was a crime. So that's one of the reasons why I get really, really irritated when people who, some of them

don't know any better, I guess. Even in our own circles, like, talk about, they refer to people as criminals. I'm like, don't, I'm like, don't start doing that. Okay. Um, I mean, maybe I feel strong about this considering my own background.

But, um, you've lost your kind of groundedness when you start calling people criminals. There's some categorical element. Okay. Um, but, um, You know, for perspective, this was, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this was well known. You know, one of the things, people at attack Nolte and his thesis claiming like, oh, nobody knew it was underway in the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was an ass in superpower. And this was, it was nothing like today, but, um, film was ubiquitous. Um, there was an international newswire, you know, um, it's not like Moscow was thou.

of miles away from Europe. This was well known. You know, people, and people, these cadres who fought in Bavaria, you know, and in the Baltic, against the Free Corps, I mean, these people would have been trained in the Soviet Union. You know, the, furthermore, you know, by 1936, there was a truly international proxy conflict in Spain, you know, this idea that information somehow was quarantined, you know, and didn't cross national frontiers. I mean, that's laughable. You know, it's, um, this was, this was common knowledge, you know, um, and plus, I mean, how exactly, you know, 100,000 of people over the, course of the decade, millions of people were categorically disappearing. You think people weren't

noticing that? Upon the Soviet assault on Poland, you know, a huge number, about a quarter million polls disappeared in months. You know, not just because, I mean, the Russians, there was ethnic hostility between the Russians and Poles. Anyway, that was arguably as severe as that between, you know, the Germans in the Poles, or the Poles and the Jews, or the Germans and the Jews. But, you know, you think people weren't noticing that, you know, the tens of thousands of Poles are just disappearing. Their entire officer corps just disappeared. You know, the entire, like, Warsaw clergy just disappeared.

I mean, like, but it's, I'm not trying to be obtuse or, like, make it out like it's funny or something, you know, or every flipping, rather, about these kind of human tragedies. But it's, it's like a non-argument. It's not, it's, it's,

it's just not its face, it's laughable. But, um, the, uh, you know, I,

I, I, I, I'm the first person, make the point that it's not, you know, again, like his own historical revisionism is not some kind of numbers game.

But, because, what is in contention is the degree of attrition in comparative terms and this really was not just the subtext but kind of the part of the core controversy

of the historical strife I want people to contemplate again the degree to which the Soviet camp apparatus utterly dwarfed that of the German Reich and like Nolte said other than homicidal gas chambers that agree to which they were employed is arguable.

I don't want to get into that in this series. Not because I'm afraid to or something, reverse to. We can talk about Fred Leichter and Robert Farrison and the entire controversy if people want to. But the point is, even if you accept all of that at face value, every single thing that the Third Reich did was precedented. by the Soviet Union, with the exception of homicidal gas chambers, employed against civilian populations. So the entire kind of notion of, oh, Sunderberg led to this unique and intractable evil. Just look at, you know, look at the Third Reich, this regime that existed for the sole purpose of realizing a homicidal conspiracy.

I mean, it's laughable. I mean, there's only funny about it, but it's preposterous rather. That's about, I got some more stuff to say about this, but I don't want to, I, would you be agreeable or amenable if we did a part four about we fielded questions from subscribers and I could just kind of tie up loose ends, man? I don't want to tell you your business with content. Sure. Okay, yeah, I appreciate that, man.

And I hope this wasn't too Lake Scattershot. Yeah, I prefer that, man. Okay. Yeah, we'll do that. We'll schedule that. Do your plugs, and we'll end this. You can always find me on my website.

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It's tremendous. But that's all I got. Same. We have some great people on our side. Indeed. Thanks, Thomas. Yeah, thank you, Ian. Appreciate it.