The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1040: Why Atlanta and Cities in General Are Burning to the Ground w/ Paul Kersey
Episode Date: April 16, 202463 MinutesNSFW Paul Kersey is an author who has written numerous books and currently writes at Unz dot org. Pete invited Paul on to talk about his book, Black Mecca Down, which details what led to A...tlanta's downfall. They also discuss how cities have become uninhabitable for good people.Black Mecca DownPaul at UNZdotOrgPaul on XVIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.
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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingunez show. I'm here with Paul Cursey. How are you doing,
Mr. Cursey? I am having a split-ed spring day, my friend, after the, after the clips. So,
ready to rock out. Thanks for having me on. No problem. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself
first time on the show, so yeah. Yeah. So Paul Cursey's a non-de-plume taken from the Charles
Bronson film Death Wish and obviously been writing the blog, you know, stuff like people
don't like.
SBPDL.com for, I'm sorry, it was sbpdl.com.
I think that'll still take you to the site that is now on Ron Unz's amazing site,
unz.com.
Unz.org.
So I've been doing that since 2009.
Written a lot for Amran, Meripurizance, Vidaer, Tadier,
Tucky Mag.
There's a bunch of other places that stuff has appeared.
But yeah, mainly over at Unz.com forward slash SBPDL.
That's where the entire blog is.
And then do a podcast of the Great Jared Taylor.
And I have, back in the glory days before Amazon kicked everyone off of CreateSpace,
I think I'd self-published 14 or 15 books.
The most popular one was Escape from Detroit that Tom sold actually.
wrote about when my good friend Colin Flaherty and I back in like 2012, 2013, 2014,
when Flaherty was doing really great work with his book, White Girl Bleed a lot.
He talked about both of our books and said, you know, hate these books all you want to,
but they're not racist.
And, you know, these arguments need to, there's merit behind these arguments.
And that caused quite a flurry of sales.
And unfortunately, during the summer of George Floyd, Amazon cracked down on some,
some of the more egregious purveyors of those who notice.
And the books were removed from Amazon.
So the good people, Antelope Hill Press, bought the entire back catalog of my books.
And they've republished two thus far, Whitey on the Moon, the death of NASA from, I think it's
1958 to 1972, which tells the story of even as we were getting ready to,
to go to the moon, the Kennedy administration cared more about diversity, and they were trying
to force a black astronaut and just really discusses what happened with the poor people's
campaign, probably the most embarrassing day ever when July 16th we get ready to go up to the moon
1969, and Ralph Abernethy shows up at a horse and buggy carriage to protest the moon launch
as you have the Saturn V rocket, just this unbelievable achievement of Western man,
And then you have, you know, a caravan of Black show up, the guy who took over MLK,
and they're saying we should be feeding, you know, the poor as opposed to doing this just grand human achievement for all mankind.
And then the book on Atlanta, Black Mecca Down, it's the story about, it's the real story about race in Atlanta.
I'm from Atlanta, I grew up in Atlanta.
I know it very well.
And I think that's what we're on here to talk about, my friend.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I lived in Atlanta for 16 years.
I started, I lived there from 2005 to 2021.
And I, before that, the first trips I made to Atlanta were as early as like 1990 and 1991,
when I was really young working for a company in South Florida and fell in love with it,
almost moved there in 1995.
But that got delayed by about 10 years, but I finally made it there.
That was the other greatest movie series.
Yeah. And, well, I got to see it before the Olympics, before it started, before it grew to the behemoth that it became. And then after the summer of 2020, it was like, well, you know, I really need to get out of here. And, yeah, made it out, made it out the following year. So, yeah, let's talk about that because Atlanta used to be a place that I loved. I mean, there was a time you could go down to Jones,
hang out on Tara Boulevard.
Now you don't go down there without, you know, without Kevlar.
And, yeah, why don't you?
Yeah, it's funny about the days in the 1990s.
In 95, when 96, the Olympics happened that summer, awesome summer.
I, you know, I got to go to a lot of the Olympic events.
It was really cool because they really did, the city did as much they could for the Coca-Cola games
as, you know, they pretty much were bought by Coca-Cola.
to have in Atlanta.
And they did a lot to address some of the problems, some of the crime.
They basically got rid of all the Section 8 housing where in downtown Atlanta,
where they built the Olympic Park and the, and then the dormitory areas for the athletes,
which Georgia Tech assumed.
And they redistributed this.
And again, this is 100% fact.
They redistributed a lot of the Section 8, almost all blacks, all throughout the metro suburb areas.
And in 1990, Forest Park, Jonesboro, places like that.
Clayton County, what you're talking about, Jonesboro, Clayton County is, it's part of the airport, Hartfield-Jackson.
I'm not going to call it that.
Hartsfield International Airport is in Bolton and Clayton County.
And Clayton County in 1980 was about 95% white.
And then now it's actually under 10% white.
Back in 2005 or 2006, don't remember the year.
they elected their first black sheriff, Victor Hill.
And the first thing that he did upon assuming that position was fire all of the white police officers
and had them marched out with a sniper rife, with a sniper team up on the roof of the police station,
the police headquarters there in Clayton County.
And yeah, Jonesboro, I used to go to, oh, my gosh, Shannon Mall was the one in Alton County, right off of 85.
It was right on 138 and 85.
Yeah.
What was the mall in South?
What was the mall in Jonesboro?
That's right there off between 75 and.
I can't remember.
Yeah.
South.
I can't remember what it was either.
But it was a really nice mall because, again, Clayton County, that's the home of
Truett Kathy.
You know, one of the first Chick-fil-A's was there.
The Kathy family, they stayed.
They made all their kids go to some of the private schools.
They might even got to Jonesboro.
But, you know, where I grew up, we had, we,
played a lot of these schools.
Some of my teachers would tell me, yeah, we went to Riverdale.
It was 89, it was 85% white.
And, you know, we'd go there and, you know, you basically were, you had police escort.
It was 95, 99% black.
The transformation was just incredible.
And for your listeners who don't know, Clayton County was the fictional home of the family
and Gone with the Wind.
Sorry for not remembering the last name of the character.
Scarlet, the O'Hare, the O'Hare mansion, right?
That's why it's Tara Boulevard.
So it's got a lot of history with Gone with the Wind,
and then of course, Chick-Fillay, you know,
they basically revolutionized food.
They're all from that county.
But, I mean, you've seen the great replacement happen there,
and the consequences have just been unbelievable.
They used to be, I remember we were driving to that mall
that I'm talking about in Clayton County.
And you saw a sign that said,
we took Clayton, Fayette counties next.
Blacks would actually wear that shirt because, you know, you basically had, in 1980,
all of the major metro-Atlanta counties, I'm talking about Faiton, Clayton, Caleta.
Gosh, what's the one where Park?
Cobb.
Yeah, Cobb County was the most notorious one.
They basically said that they didn't want Marta.
That's the Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority.
That's the monorail, the train system there.
There's another, there's another.
There is.
That acronym also means moving Africans rapidly through Atlanta because I believe that
78% of the writers are black.
And if you've ever been on Marda, it's a very unpleasant experience.
Back in 1994, maybe 95, we were going to the SEC fanfare.
And we're coming from the suburb up to,
A little five points.
That's the station we get off to go to the Georgia Dome, the Georgia World Congress Center.
And this black dude just, you know, whipped it out and started peeing right in front of us.
And it was one of the more shocking experiences for a kid, you know, barely, barely, not even a teenager yet.
And it was one of those moments where it's like, hey, you know, Dad, we're never writing this again.
That's just cultural enrichment.
Well, Cobb County famously, their leaders said that they would put a motion.
around their county and put alligators in it before they would let Marta into their county.
And unfortunately, I'm sorry, the county is Gwinnett County where that's also a big county up
on the northern, the northeastern side of Atlanta.
Used to be an awesome county.
The transformation there has just been incredible, largely due to Hispanic and Asian immigration,
actually.
But, you know, you're talking about all of the counties in 1980 being above 85.
5% white. Fayette County, like, was like 96. You know, Caleta County now, which is basically
considered suburb. That's one of the only areas that went that went fully for Trump back in
2020. I think Fayette County actually barely went or it might have actually gone,
it might have a tip for the first time to Biden. Caledas Newton, right? Caledas,
noon, yeah, a very great, very great place. And no, it's just, it's just really sad because, again,
white flight, and unfortunately, what I call the black undertow, they're going to follow.
You know, and that's, Atlanta is a story of just the utter, just stupidity of this belief that
you can, you can, you can run from diversity. Because unfortunately, without, without restrictive
covenants and true freedom association, you can't decide who can live in your cities,
your neighborhoods, your, your community. And once a certain demographic threshold,
is met, I think it's about 10%, black, your community, your neighborhood starts to go downhill.
And, you know, Atlanta's got really a fake black middle class based on the racial handouts
from the federal, from the, from the, from the, from the, state of Atlanta, and all the,
this kind of predates the whole diversity, inclusion, equity stuff.
and you basically had Maynard Jackson, who was, I believe the first black mayor of Atlanta,
he basically strong-armed the airport into making hundreds of black millionaires
because they put a minority set-asides on all the contracts for the airport and held it hostage.
And if you've ever been to the airport, if any of your listeners ever been to Hartsfield International Airport,
between the terminals, if you walk the concourses, some of the, basically,
basically some of them are just outright presentations of, you know, black grievance,
black supremacy in a lot of ways, that it's almost like, hey, there was no history in Atlanta
until, until blacks took over the city government and, you know, they made it the hip-hop capital
of the world and whatnot, and, you know, Tyler Perry's home. And it's just not that way because
again, all these counties, I mean, Clayton County to me, it deserves a book in itself of what
the transformations meant because you had you had communities that were thriving you had a lot of
you know a lot of upward mobility for working class whites and unfortunately the white elite who could
they sold their houses and got out as the transformation was was happening in the mid 80s to
to mid 90s and again it's only it's only it's only it's only a span of eight to 10 years that this
transformation took place and that goes for all the counties and
I think it was, what was the New York Times writer who said,
we can replace you back when Stacey Abrams was running against Brian Kemp.
There was a New York Times.
I can't remember her name, but they basically wrote an article about the demographic change of Georgia.
And Georgia was arguably one of the best southern states in 1990.
It was 73, 74 percent white, very few Hispanics, very few Asians.
It was basically the personification of the American experience where you had white, black.
That was it before, you know, the 1965 Immigration Act.
So, and then massive illegal immigration because, let's face it, you know, illegal immigrants are building these homes that white people are fleeing to in the new suburbs.
And it's not a joke.
You're from Atlanta.
You know that the suburbs of Atlanta now stretch all the way down 85 south, very close.
to Lagrange even, not that far from the Alabama border. And up 75, you're close to Knoxville.
You're almost to Tennessee. And then if you go 85 north, you know, in a lot of ways, I think the
Mall of Georgia is way out there on the way to South Carolina. So you basically have this massive
blob that is everything that America was once adamantly opposed to. And now when you've had
just the disastrous Shelley v. Kramer 1948 ruling, which,
destroy your restrictive covenants, you can't maintain the integrity of a neighborhood.
And I would argue that was the death blow of America, by the way, when Freedom Association
was extirpated.
So, Atlanta is the proof of that.
You know, where you lived, Buckhead used to be a thriving area.
Now they're trying to cede.
The Republican governor won't let them with the referendum because they realize that that happens.
You know, Buckhead's about 70% white, very affluent.
It's basically like think equivalent of, I would you almost say what, Beverly Hills in a lot of ways, very rich.
Oh, yeah.
It's definitely in the top 20 of richest cities probably in the world.
Yeah.
Like wealth-wise per capita.
And they represent the best, they represent the tax base.
So if they were to leave, I think, 65% of the tax base for Atlanta goes away.
And so you would no longer have that.
white largesse, you know, funding the city of Atlanta, which is grotesquely overrepresented by
black elected, I'm sorry, by black appointed officials. I actually, I got access to Fulton
County and the city of Atlanta by department, the racial demographics, first person ever to do
this. And I did a report on it, a big story. And that's in the book. And I think the water department
for the Steve Atlanta was 100% black, all the employees.
And Atlanta is notorious for basically not charging blacks for their water bills.
And they passed the costs on.
And there's some really great articles you can find about this problem.
But Buckhead, though, that's one of the areas that was hit really hard by the post-George Floyd police just saying, hey, you know what, we're not going to be the next.
we're not going to be the next guy from Minneapolis.
I forgot his name.
Derek Chauvin, screw that.
And so crime just skyrocketed.
You know, you go to Phipps Plaza.
There are security guards everywhere because of all that,
the smash and grab stuff.
You know, a friend of mine, you probably remember this restaurant.
Dante's down the hatch, closed up.
Of course.
Yeah, it was back in 2013, world famous place,
probably one of the coolest restaurants you could ever go to.
Good experience.
Yeah, good experience.
You had to work for yourself.
Yeah, it was a fond du place.
You'd walk in and it was like a pirates.
It was like a bay.
And there was a pirate ship where there was a jazz band.
And then basically everything was built around the pirate ship.
There was a moat with allocators.
And the dude was just really cool.
He was one of the first Navy SEALs.
And he sold because the taxes were so high.
And he talked about how bad the crime was getting.
and how unresponsive the city government was.
And he was hoping to open up another restaurant in Alpharetta, very, very white flight area.
But he was just too old.
And it was just, you basically have just seen Atlanta remade into this glass monstrosity, very little.
It's, it could be any city now.
That charm is just gone.
Because unfortunately, the people who made the city, they've died off or they've moved away.
And they've been replaced by a transient population.
by, let's face it, a black remigration from cities like Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Baltimore,
Philadelphia, they're all moving back to Atlanta because it is considered the black mecca.
So it's a very dangerous, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Well, yeah, and, well, first of all, you were talking about Alpharetta.
Well, even Alpharetta, even coming,
you're talking about places because they built 400 that are now...
I mean, I have a friend who lives in Coming.
He's like, it's changing every day.
coming is 35 minutes north of Atlanta.
And it's just spreading out more and more and more.
But, you know, another thing that really didn't help the city,
even the growth after the Olympics, was it became Hollywood East.
And you had all these movie studios,
moving they're opening up and everything.
And that just draws in more people thinking that they're going to get jobs.
And a lot of them do.
because, let's face it,
the diversity quotas have,
when they were opening up,
when Brad Pitt opened his studio there,
their diversity quotas were one of the first things it hit.
Yeah, yeah, Pungwood Studios was open in Fate County.
That's a sort of southwest suburb on the way to Alabama.
It used to be an amazing place, home to Peastry City,
just an awesome place to grow up.
to enjoy. It was basically Paradise on Earth back in the late 80s, 90s. And yeah, the movie,
I think there were more movies made per capita in Georgia than TV shows and series on Netflix
streaming services like Disney Plus. And yeah, that has done a lot because they've basically
been able to position that and use their status as an economic driver to protest a lot of
the quote unquote conservative moves by the state. You might remember they were able to successfully
get the All-Star game to move. What was that? Was that over transgender? Was that the bathroom? I don't
remember what it was. All these goofy conservative, you know, cultural war battles when it's like,
hey, guys, you know, we shouldn't tolerate any of this. Don't make concessions. But unfortunately,
you know, we've got this. You have. Well, it was another one of those things that when people did
the math, it was damaging black businesses more than anything. So it just really proved that they
just don't care. It's just about punishing white even if black people get punished as well.
Yeah, that's exactly right. I think they've done a number of things. I think Georgia actually
tried to pass about the same time that Arizona did SB 1070, that really great immigration
bill. I think Georgia tried to do one similar and there was a massive push by Disney or one of the
studios said they were going to leave if this happened, you know, the anti-immigration stance.
And it's just, it's all fascinating to watch because it's just, it's, you know, the people,
the real, the real Georgians are really great people. And they've just watched, they've just watched
so much of the state be paved over. And just gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous farms raised
to put in new, new subdivisions that white people will come. They'll make, uh,
vibrant and thriving, and then they'll abandon. And that's pretty much the story of Atlanta. And
it's really sad because nobody wants to confront the reality of black crime. In the 1990s,
you saw the Atlanta Joel Constitution were publishing very honest articles about how the city was
about 67, 70 percent black. It was really bleak there. And then it tipped. And Atlanta now is
majority white. And this is one of the craziest things that you don't hear much about.
out because when COVID hit four years ago,
I can't believe it's been four years since two weeks of stop the spread.
Atlanta was really gentrifying like crazy.
You had a lot of growth in Midtown, a lot of white people were moving there.
I had a friend who was actually murdered in Atlanta back in 2011.
Her name was Brittany Watts.
She was one of three white girls that was shot by a black guy in Midtown.
I think it was late June.
I mean, yeah, it was late June 2011, and it turns out that this guy was a college student
who hadn't learned about white privilege and about colonization.
And he basically was getting revenge on white people.
And he targeted three white girls killing a significantly damaging one girl.
I think she might be paralyzed from the waist down.
And of course, Brittany Wass was killed.
She just got married to a former UGA basketball player, a white guy, white walk-on,
and just really sad stuff, man.
But in the early 90s, the papers were being very honest about black crime and about a lot of the conventions.
My book talks about that word.
The conventions that were in downtown Atlanta, Atlanta's still one of the top convention destinations.
Then it was really growing and burgeoning, but people were terrified because they couldn't guarantee the safety of individuals coming to massive conventions.
And there was a pretty famous murder in the early 90s.
at that really nice hotel that has the
the spinning restaurant on top, the sundial.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And that caused the city a lot of consternation
because they said, you know,
we're reliant on these conventions.
And we're trying to get the SEC championship
from Birmingham.
You know, this is the early 90s
when the first two games were played in Birmingham.
And then we're like,
we're trying to get the Super Bowl.
We're trying to get all this stuff.
And of course, one of the main reasons
why the Braves left downtown Atlanta is because they did a survey and they found out that their
fan base was white people and the northern suburbs and they didn't want to drive down.
They didn't want to have to be victimized by crime.
And they built what was then SunTrust Park in Cobb County right there off at 285
because the white fan base, the attendance was down because white people didn't want to be
victimized by crime where Turner Field is.
what was
to now own
by Georgia State
is their football
stadium
so you basically
the Braves
decamped from
Atlanta
decoupled
and they moved
to Cobb County
and they built
literally its own
little self-contained city
it's pretty cool
I'm not sure if you've ever
been to a game there
but it hasn't no
yeah it's now
truest part
I grew up going to
Atlanta Fulton County Stadium
you know
growing up in the
growing up in the early 90s
Atlanta
again, I don't want to be nostalgic because I'm, you know, late 30s myself, but it really was a paradise on Earth because you didn't have just this massive population boom.
I think the Metro Atlanta was, Metro Atlanta area was maybe 1.5, 2 million people.
I think now it's, what, 6 to 7 million?
It's insane.
It's got pretty much the worst traffic in the country.
And nobody wants to admit why no one wants to live in Atlanta or around or in Clayton County or in these other counties that have, that have,
shifted so dramatically demographically. And it's the threat of black crime. And it's what
black individuals collectively do to valuations of homes. You know, it's, you know, it's not bad
schools. It's bad, bad students who go to the schools and it's just a reflection on the
demographics of the area. That's why I'm totally against school choice, by the way. Because,
you know, your home values are tied to a school system. And the more whites in Asians, usually,
the better the school system is going to be versus the preponderance and, you know,
and the posity of, of said white and Asian students.
But Atlanta is the microcosm of all of the country's problems when it comes to our
just refusal to confront the realities of race.
And you know this being from Atlanta, that Stone Mountain used to be a great place to go
visit.
And now, I think Jim Goad lives over there.
I don't think that's pretty, I think that's actually, he's written about that before,
where he's one of the few white people who live there.
And it's just, there's beautiful.
homes that are just decaying and just rotting in their own footprint because they're just not being maintained and
just we're really sad to see because of course Stone Mountain has just the beautiful engraving of Jackson
Lee and the willful Jefferson Davis but that's a story for another day anyways
do you think the before before the Olympics before they started pushing blacks out of the inner
city into the suburbs. It seems like the crime was concentrated into certain areas, and it seems like the
crime really increased and really started to spread with that pushing out, with that going in,
and where they built Turner Field, there were like the worst-looking apartments there that
looked like something right out of like the worst neighborhoods in New Orleans, and all these people
just got pushed out into the outer suburbs. Is that when the crime rates just,
skyrocketed.
Yeah, 100%.
You know, Atlanta, you can get the data, the racial data for crime and stuff.
And you can find it, you know, DeKalb counties is another one of the counties that underwent
just a tremendous race.
That's where I lived, yeah.
Yeah.
And in the book, Black and Mecca Down, there's a chart.
There's a, you know, a table that I did in a spreadsheet where it looks at the demographics of all
the counties by decade from like 1970 to 2010.
Again, I wasn't updated, I don't believe, for 2020 census data.
But there's a direct correlation to the decline in the white population and the growth of the black population.
Because, again, no one wants to be a victim of crime.
And if you've been to or if you know what these schools, and again, going back to Clayton County, you have to because it is such a eye opener to what the great replacement of the majority of white population to a majority black population.
and what the quality of life or lack thereof is created by one group and is decimated to a point where, you know, the only businesses you have are liquor stores, cash, you know, title, title shops and then wig stations, wig shops we can go get a weave.
I mean, it's a really sad thing to see.
But at the same time, who's, what elected official is going to even call any of this?
out. I mean, it's basically, it's so obvious. And everybody knows it. You know, it's, it's, it's like
that story. Everybody praises diversity publicly, but privately, they do everything they can to avoid it in
their personal lives. And Atlanta is the ultimate, um, uh, personification of that. And, you know,
it's, it's going to be fascinating in the next five, six, in the next six years, uh, going to
2030. The push for Buckhead Cityhood is going to come. You know, there's been a number of great, uh,
success stories of cities incorporating Sandy Springs, was it Roswell, Brookhaven, they've all incorporated
so they create their own city, their own, and they've broken away from the county so they can
have their own police force, they can do their own taxes, and there's been a great model that's
been created, and that's what Buckhead's trying to follow. It's, it's, it is secession, and it's
secession from a
from a parasitic relationship
where the
you know the parasite
is trying to suck as much from the host as possible
and the host is finally pushing
back and
again everybody knows the score
when it comes to crime in Clayton County and DeKalb
in Fayette and Fulton
in Cobb
in Gwinnett and
you just have to watch the nightly news there
the ABC CBS Fox
affiliate NBC or just read the
Landry Constitution, and it's just a litany of just an endless parade of black faces with
fatal and non-fatal shooting.
And, you know, it's depressing to know what it was lost, but it's also encouraging to know
that all that was lost was lost for a reason.
And it's easily documented.
And people increasingly know, and people are increasingly not afraid to talk about it.
about what's happening and not just Atlanta, but in Kansas City and St. Louis and Baltimore
and Birmingham and Jackson, Mississippi, and New Orleans, you name the city, Chicago, Milwaukee,
you know, Buffalo, Rochester, cats out of the bag. And just the question is, will people have
the courage to just really confront it? And, yeah, to put it, to put it bluntly, are we ready
for reconstruction 2.0 or the reaction to it? Because in a lot of ways, that's what the civil rights
era has been, Pete, and that is, it's been reconstruction on an unprecedented scale. And I'm talking
about what happened when the radical Republicans, after Lincoln was shot, you know, they came down
and just took advantage of the white southerners. And we've basically seen that for all white people,
though. You know, I'm sure you've seen that heritage study where how many trillions have we spent on
the great society and trying to basically pretend that equality is, you know, trying to legislate equality.
how much have we spent on diversity?
I mean, how much it's in the multiple trillions at this point.
And it's beyond anything from reconstruction after, you know, blacks got the vote with the, you know, 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment and took over a lot of the state legislatures and what happened.
That's all documented in the great movie, Birth of a Nation, what happened.
And it's basically, do we have, do we have the courage to basically say, hey, we tried it?
failed. And I think we've seen a lot of conservatives, Chris Caldwell, in one of his last books
from the, oh gosh, the Claremont Institute, he basically came out and said, yeah, the Constitution
was usurped by the Civil Rights Act. And we can't do anything until we confront that. And I would
simply argue, well, no, we can. We have to look at Shelley v. Kramer, which is what the NAACP was founded
to get rid of, Richard of Covenants. They spent 30 years arguing in state and, and, you know,
in courts throughout the country to get rid of restrictive covenants because if you have
freedom association, you have the right to discriminate.
That's what freedom association means from a business standpoint and from a personal standpoint.
And that's pretty much the lesson of Atlanta and all the major cities and of what's happened
as we've had forced diversity and the civil rights madness, which basically makes it
So that we really can't do anything to stop it until we say enough is enough.
And as James Kirkpatrick or Gregory Hooden, I've talked about a lot on our podcast,
View from the Right, the two most powerful word, you know, the most powerful word in the English
language is the N word, but it's no.
And it's will we have the, will we just have the tenacity to say no?
And Atlanta is the ultimate representation of what happens if we don't say no.
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ask a little bit more about this and then maybe talk a little bit about more current events in
Baltimore but I had I get yelled at every once in a while for moving out to where I did because
you know if we abandon the cities while the cities are the political power centers of
the states and yeah so I mean what can you think of a good
argument why peaceful white people would stay in a city to try and take it back politically.
And is that even possible, Mr. Kersey?
No, it's not possible because there's no, there's no top-down leadership from the
money class, from the educated class.
There's nobody who's really, there's nothing to gain yet by doing this.
But in a lot of ways, we are seeing the secession movement.
I think in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, there was a secession movement.
One of the white areas wanted to create its own little white enclave.
But again, if you create it, you can't keep blacks out.
It's like if buckheads secedes, what are they going to do?
Are you going to draw a demarcation line somewhere that says, hey, hey, listen, you can't cross this line.
What are you doing?
Are they going to build a wall?
Are they going to make it so that blacks can't go to fifth place?
or Lenox Mall, the two very nice malls, or you can't come to the restaurants?
No, because that would violate the Civil Rights Act.
You can't do that.
So I would encourage people to live their life the way that they want to in terms of
seeking out their own solace as we survive the collapse of the American Empire,
the global American Empire.
And I think that's the most important thing right now is people becoming financially solvent,
wherever they want to live, create the best life they can if that means having children.
I'm blessed with children and a family.
You should do that.
But you have to factor in the cost of having children and go into public schools.
And the last thing you want to do is burden your children with unjust exposure to a heavily
non-white area, especially heavily black area.
and the cost, you know, the cost of trying to do that in a city like Atlanta and send
into a private school, it's exorbian.
And yeah, I see nothing wrong with doing what you can to retreat right now.
I mean, look, if you are, if you have homosexual listeners who want to be pioneers and go to
Baltimore and try and try and create a little, a little piece of the old America, by all means,
go ahead.
But, you know, if you do any, here's the point.
Black politicians are elected by primarily blacks because blacks are going to vote overwhelmingly
for the black politician.
It doesn't matter, you know, you talk about Democrat-run cities.
They're black-run cities.
And having high rates of black crime, that keeps out.
that that incentivizes that the crime isn't stopped because that's going to keep white people
from moving back in. That's going to keep Asians for moving back in. And so why would,
why would black politicians like that's what Baltimore is the perfect representation to discuss.
You know, they've got this dollar house program right now where you can you can buy a house
basically for a dollar. One of these row houses, you know, in 1920, Baltimore was 88% white.
Now in 2020 for Baltimore is, it's about 70% black, about 24% white, and the footprint of an amazing
cities there.
You can see the old skyscrapers, the gothic skyscrapers, the gorgeous skyscrapers built in the
1820s and 30s that you see in places like Buffalo, Chicago, New York, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland,
just awesome skyscrapers that were built by people who thought that their posterity was
going to be able to be in these cities. And of course, Baltimore was one of the last big cities
to transition from majority white to majority black. And the consequences have just been devastating.
And again, that doesn't matter because you've had just a succession of black mayors. And they have
no incentive to fixing the problem because they're in power precisely because the city is 70%
black. It doesn't matter if, you know, the city has had 300 plus murders.
since 2015. And then in
2023, they just celebrated
a 20% decrease,
which got them under
300 murders for the first time since
2015. I mean, they were having
more murders per year
in Baltimore, a
city of about 650,000 people
than New York City, a city
of 6 to 7 million people had.
There were more murders.
Not like per capita or anything. It's like
just straight up number of murders
in New York versus Baltimore. It was a
astonishing how violent it is.
But again, that's the reason why that they're able to maintain power and stay in power
because you have no opposition to the status quo because, you know, white people are
basically a voiceless minority in these places, like, you know, like a Baltimore or Birmingham,
Alabama, or, and sadly, a Montgomery, Alabama, or, you know, in New Orleans or a Jackson,
Mississippi.
So, no, I think it's okay if you retreat.
go live your best life and, you know, you owe nobody a reasoning or a rationale for why you did what you did.
So I guess this is the, you know, a million dollar question is how does this get solved?
Yeah, you have enough people who retreat.
Yeah, you mentioned Montgomery.
I've been to Montgomery a couple times.
I cannot leave that place fast enough.
It's absolutely one of the worst state capitals in the country.
But the thing about Alabama, too, is there's like four cities you avoid.
And pretty much the rest of the states are just perfectly fine.
May I take a stab at which cities those are?
Good.
All right.
You've already mentioned Montgomery.
I would assume you mean Selma, Birmingham, Hale, and Mobile.
Mobile, yes.
Tuskegee is definitely.
want a city to avoid. It's pretty close to Montgomery, though. So a lot of people put that in there.
But definitely Birmingham, I guess the most up-and-coming city, the city that's becoming the most
cosmopolitan, I would say, which means that it's probably going to be destroyed in 10 to 15 years,
is Huntsville. Yeah, you know, Huntsville still has the arena's name for Vonnevonne Braun.
It's amazing to me because, you know, there's the guy who,
basically was the minds behind the mind behind our space program.
And I forgot the guy's name who added the Soviet program.
And he was one time shown a picture of Von Braun.
I think it's like search of the G.
I can't think of it right now.
But that's in Whitey and the Moon.
But he saw a picture of Von Braun.
And he was sad.
It's an anecdote.
But he said the things we can do together.
And it is one of those just tragic, tragic,
consequences of the disastrous Great War and then World War II of all that was lost and where
we should be when you think about just the fractricidal European Civil War and what that did.
But von Braun, I mean, again, there's a great book about the Nazis in Alabama, the Nazis
in Dixie.
It's like the rocket, I came up with the title as it was published by Universal Amma Press or something,
but I mean, Von Braun was a rock star in that county.
in that city. And Huntsville, I think Huntsville has one of the highest, obviously, in terms of
graduation rates, just a lot of high IQ people there because of the Rocket Center there.
And back when I was in elementary school, it was always really cool. When you got to fifth
grade, you would go to the Huntsville Space Center and do a tour of that facility. And man, oh, man.
is that a really cool memory?
Because, you know, you thought that we were going places.
You thought that there was something that we were aspiring
towards something greater and noble for all mankind.
You know, again, it's, it wasn't something that was just exclusively for European people
and then, you know, white people in America, European descendant of people around the world, you know,
Neil Armstrong said it best.
We come in, you know, we went to the moon for all mankind, you know, one small step, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
but yeah it's what what is it going to take i it's really the american hegemone has to collapse i mean
because again you look at what we we promote around the world um and we basically are a society
that is run exclusively i'll be judicious how we say this um we've gone all in on the idea that
the black population is our greatest untapped asset.
And I think we now know that that's a farce.
I think everybody knows that.
And, you know, I would argue.
And again, I'm not, I'm just being Paul Kersey.
I believe there are our greatest liability.
And our founding fathers knew that.
And the great irony of the bridge collapse in Baltimore,
the Francis Scott Key Bridge is that that bridge was named after the gentleman
who wrote the National Anthem,
but also one of the founding members of the American Colonization Society,
which was largely a group of northern white men who wanted to repatriate all blacks out of the United States of America.
They wanted to enslavery, pay slave owners, and repatriate blacks to Africa.
Of course, you probably know, Liberia, state capital, is named after James and Rome and Rovia.
And even the Civil War, even up until 1863, Lincoln was working on a plan to colonize a part of San Domingo, Haiti.
And unfortunately, the guy who was spearheading this ended up swindling the federal government, the union out of a lot of money.
And they never built a lot of the housing.
And but he, you know, he wanted that to end.
And so I think, you know, you have to, you have to ask yourselves.
okay, what was it that our founding fathers knew?
And why did they care so much about creating a better life for their posterity?
And what did they know about human nature or the human condition?
That is so discernible if you just look about life in 2024 America.
And I know that that might sound radical, but I think the 21st century is basically undoing the insanity of the 20th century.
going to start seeing more and more countries. You're going to start seeing, I don't know your
opinion on, forgive me if I mispronounce his name, the president of El Salvador, Bucali. Is that
correct pronunciation? Bucali, I think we're going to start seeing more and more of men of his
stature and his vision who have to, who realize that the state has to have the authority on violence
and you can't negotiate with those who would make life worse and try and empower criminal.
And what's happening there is very inspiring.
And, you know, it wouldn't be very hard to use the gang databases we have for Atlanta,
where we know all the gangs, we know who they are.
I think Atlanta does have a gang database.
And I want to say it's like 99% black or brown.
And you can use RICO laws to basically arrest all of them.
You can do the same thing in Chicago, the same thing in D.C.
We know where the criminals are.
You know, I'm sure you saw that great story at a New York City where some insane,
amount of the crime on the subways was done by, I think, less than 50 people.
Like a combined, an aggregate of 1,500 crimes, just the recidivism.
And it's like, just arrest these people.
Why do we tolerate this?
And then the question is, why do we tolerate the politicians who force us to tolerate
this stuff?
And I think that's fundamentally the question that you've asked is what changes.
It's when we say no.
And basically when we just say, hey, just, and unfortunately, there's nothing you can do when you have DAs who are going to charge someone like Alvin Bragg who are going to charge, what's the guy's name?
Daniel Penny.
Is that the guy's name?
Daniel Penny.
Yeah.
Or you just, you have no chance against Soros DA because the most important thing is finding the great white defendant to coin, to borrow a phrase of the great Tom Wuff who, when all of a second.
done, Richmond's Montyman Avenue will be rebuilt and the Arthur Ash statue will be torn down
and melted like they did to Robert Lee. And there will be a gigantic statue of Tom Wolfbelt
who wrote Bonfire the Vanities, The Right Stuff, and Back to Blood. He wrote a great book about
Atlanta, by the way, and I can't remember the type of a man in full is the type is the book
he wrote about Atlanta. And it's a very good book. Did you ever read it? No. Read it. Read it.
It captures that Atlanta that you live through, that you love and that has kind of vanished of the old wasp, white, southern, you know, businessmen who are trying to navigate the pitfalls of a black bureaucracy and black political power that just controls the city.
A fascinating book.
He nailed it.
And, yeah, we will know that he warned us.
And he tried to tell us what was happening with, you know, Ma Ma Ma'i and the Flatcatcher.
and the electric acid
cool ed test,
just a brilliant writer.
And, you know,
we're kind of living,
the whole George Floyd stuff
eerily parallels his great book,
Bonfire of the Anadies
and what all happened.
And, you know, I don't know.
What are your memories?
I just got to ask,
because we're about on that four-year anniversary
of the George Floyd, you know,
color of revolution.
Like, what are your memories?
Where were you in that point?
Were you in, were you in Alexandria?
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No, I was in Atlanta.
I was living in Shambly, but I was working in Peachtree Corners.
I know very well.
And, yeah, pastry corners, there was no issue.
Peachtree Parkway, there was no issues up there.
So much of that has become Asian.
And I was right off of, I was in the whole science,
right in the tech district right there,
Technology Parkway and all right around there.
And I got transferred to Buford Highway.
and an office on Beaufort Highway and closer to Piedmont.
And that was in May of 2020.
So I'm going into the heart of it just as it starts.
And I've said this before, and I think people think I was being hyperbolic,
but, you know, I pretty much wherever I go, I keep a pistol on me.
as soon as that jumped off, I was going to work and I was actually taking my Uzi with me to work
because it was insane.
Some days it was insanely quiet.
Some days it was insanely loud.
The whole thing in South Atlanta at the Wendy's.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, when that popped off, that wasn't close to me at all, but when that popped off,
It was, you get this, when you're working in an area that's more ghettoized, you can get a feel.
You get a kind of feel for something, something's happening, and you know, you really just don't want to go to work and you really want to avoid it.
And that was when I had wanted to get out of Atlanta for a long time, but that's when I made my decision to do it.
It took me about another year.
but the, just the conversations.
You know, I also worked very close to the CDC.
So I was having conversations with people at the CDC and the whole COVID thing was a complete mess as well.
And I had people at the CDC who I would ask them questions.
And they were lying straight to my face.
There was one of them told me, they said, you really have to start taking this seriously because there's a whole children's wing at
Emory that's filled with kids with COVID. And I looked a person in the face and I said,
you're completely full of shit because that would be all over the news. That would be on CNN.
That would be the only thing we'd be hearing about. So why are you lying to me into my face?
And I had to get out of there. That city is, it's a parody. It's a parody of one of the, of the worst
racial animus, the worst racial hellhole that you can be in. And I grew up in the Bronx.
Yeah. I think I'd rather live in the Bronx at that point. Yeah, what you just said, I mean, again,
you couldn't conceive of a, you know, Thomas Dixon who wrote the Reconstruction trilogy, that,
you know, the Klansman, that's what the birth of a nation is based upon. You know, if he were to write a future
story of what a black controlled city would look like, and he tried to make it look like what
Atlanta does or what Jacks, Mississippi, or Birmingham, Montgomery, any of these municipalities
or Memphis or Baltimore, you'd be like, wow, man, cool it with the, cool it with the racial
overtures, dude. But the fact is, it's far worse than anything that they could have, that they could
have surmised it would be, or trying to be, make bold predictions of what it would look like.
It is. It's thinking back, you know, where I live, it's very, very white.
And but just watching just the mass chaos that occurred during the summer of George Floyd.
It was just, I kind of felt like the McCloskey's.
It's like, you know, that family in St. Louis that had that beautiful home.
And all of a sudden they're marching toward the mayor's house, the white mayor's house.
And they come out of their home with the AR-15.
And I think she might have had a 38 or maybe it was a 9-millimeter.
I think she had a Walther.
I think she had a Walter PPC.
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, but it was just, it's one of the coolest moments, I think, of that whole episode was,
here's this guy wearing, was it a Brooks Brothers shirt?
Like they're having a, they're having friends over for a, you know, a chakoutary board night,
some wine.
They got the good red wine out, maybe a bottle of Camus and having a great time.
Then all of a sudden they hear this, this noise.
And they're like, get your gun.
Let's go out there.
see what's going on. And, you know, all the crap that they got, you know, thrown at them by,
you know, I think Kim Gardner, the former district attorney of St. Louis, just fascinating to watch
all this and think that, I think their guns were actually, I think the city still has their guns.
They haven't given them back yet. But, you know, it's, I made a joke to a friend. You know,
I just happened to be crossing the Francis Scott Key Bridge back in December of 2023. And someone said,
oh wow man thank god you weren't on the bridge uh the day it collapsed you know two weeks ago
and it's like hey buddy we're all on that bridge it's called america it's that's that's kind of that's kind of
where we are now like we're a country that was built by far better men and we're living in the shadows
because we refuse to listen to their warnings about what would happen if we if we didn't
protect our posterity and i think that's what the 21st century is going to be uh based upon
going back and realizing that the founding fathers and the great men who were the pioneers
who crafted a country out of the vast wilderness of the North American continent,
there's a lot to garner from them.
And we don't really owe an apology to anyone because we've watched countless cities,
communities, neighborhoods.
By the way, the mall was South Lake Mall in Clayton County.
I just looked at that.
And it's funny, as I'm looking this up,
Back in 2011, I remember one of my best friends growing up, his dad was a big, big wig with J.C. Penny when J.C. Penny was, you know, when the department stores were so big, the anchor, the anchor tenants of all these malls. And I just, I don't think kids will ever understand, you know, and I say that as someone in their, you know, late 30s. We'll understand how cool malls used to be when the population was just so vastly different. And just, you know, people just won't know what they lost.
when you could just, when parents could drop their kids off at a mall and you could go to, you know, the CD store, you know, I guess there were still VHS's kind of transitioning to DVD, go to KB Toys, go to the arcade, walk around and go to the food court, maybe see a movie. And you could just, it was, it was safe and it was, it was something you, you know, you watch mall rats that Kevin Smithville. It's like, yeah, I wonder what happened to that mall that was, you know, that was based upon. Like, have you ever, have you ever watched,
the 19, I think late 70s, Dawn of the Dead when they go to that mall right outside of Pittsburgh.
That mall, I think it was seven or eight years ago, had a number of black riots when these were all happening when these wieldings were going on.
And they had to close them all down because of a black riot.
And it was just the absurdity of the mall that was used in George Romero's just brilliant, you know, Don of the Dead.
that, you know, it was fictional zombies in the movie that were overtaking, you know, human civilization.
And now in reality, it's a population that our elite consider our greatest asset when there are
our greatest liability. And that's when we have enough people who are not afraid to say that,
and I think you're increasingly seen, again, I'm not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination,
But I am encouraged to see people like Matt Walsh.
And even someone as a milk toast as Clay Travis has made a lot of money, basically,
turning Outkick.com into a site that is posting stories that you, you know, 10, 15 years ago would only see on more racially aware sites.
So there's a transformation happening.
It's just the question is, is there going to be somebody who is really going to connect the dots like an Elon Musk type?
And he said some great things, by the way, on Twitter.
But that's what, unfortunately, it's going to take that you're going to have to have an individual who can fund institutions and who can create, not a parallel economy, but just basically be able to get people in payroll, W2 jobs where they can actually, you know, talk about these things and not be afraid of the consequences of definestration and losing your job.
cancel culture. I think, you know, we are seeing people fight back against that.
And, and, but the fundamental question is, will we be able to just say no? And we've got,
we've got all the evidence we need to, to, you know, put forth a very thoughtful argument as to why the civil rights revolution failed and why it's time we stop pretending that even if we throw more money at it, it's going to produce different results.
Well, I think that's a good place to end it. Remind everybody where they can find your stuff, Mr. Cursey.
Yeah, I would encourage everybody. You can get Whitey on the Moon at Amazon. Blackmecadown is over at Antelope Hill Press.
And you can read Unz.com forward slash SBPDL for the blog, the entire archives.
And I do do a podcast with my very good friend, Uncle Jared Taylor, over at Amren.com.
and equally a great friend of mine, Gregory Hood, James Kirkpatrick.
I think it's well known that he's Kevin Deanna.
We're a podcast now for Ambrin as well.
It's called View from the Right in honor of my late friend Lawrence Oster,
who was a very influential person in my intellectual odyssey,
and he died of cancer.
I'm probably one of the few people that he didn't feud with and didn't denounce.
And, you know, Kevin and I got to meet with him right before he died.
And we had a, we actually talked about Atlanta and a lot and about how it was a city that
was going to be a lot of interesting things happening over the whole secession movement.
And I think we've seen that.
I think Donald Trump has even talked about how, you know, how dare Brian kept not allow
the good people a bucket to have self-determination.
And ultimately self-determination, Peter, it comes down to what do we owe these people?
We tried everything and it's okay to take your own side when everybody else is taking the opposite side.
I agree 100%.
I wanted to ask you one question before we go.
The book you were talking about, was it called German Rocketeers in the Heart of Dixie?
I cannot encourage that book enough.
Yeah, that's the book.
It is an absolute must read.
Yes.
it's last thing i actually von brawn's house went for sale uh might might have been a decade ago
maybe 2016 and i was going to try and buy it and have it put on the national registry of you know
the national historic registry of historic places because i thought this would be the ultimate
house to have on Airbnb because people people from around the world would love to come to
Huntsville and stay in, you know, this home of von Braun, you know, the man who, when he was
a captive of the United States military, he wrote a book about basically doing the math to get
to Mars.
And he's the guy who back in the 1950s before Sputnik, Walt Disney had on his program, Tomorrowland,
on ABC, and he basically helped popularize the idea of space exploration and space travel and why
it was the next logical
Colombian task
for Western man to take.
And if you guys can get that, by the way,
if you can watch some of those,
the Verna von Braun
Tomorrowland stuff with Walt Disney
and that awesome photo
of Disney and Von Braun together,
which, God, I love that photo
because they're just two,
two brilliant men who,
who, if they could see what America
and what the West had become today,
I think they would have basically,
let's not say what they would have done
in their life.
But anyways, the point is,
You're right. Huntsville's got a lot of cool history, and German Rocketeers in the Heart of Dixie is a book that I think your readers, just like they will, I'm sorry, your listeners, just like they will Whitey on the Moon and black mecca down. It's going to be one they're going to want to furiously consume, and they'll love it.
All right. I appreciate it, Mr. Garcia. Thank you.
Hey, I appreciate you. Take care.
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