The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1046: Ukraine, Israel and Endless Destruction w/ Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

58 MinutesPG-13Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson is a researcher, writer, and former professor of history and political science, specializing in Russian history and political ideology.Dr. Johnson joins Pete... to share information he has on what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. He talks about the recent "aid package" and gives his opinion on the ongoing Israeli hostilities.Dr Johnson's PatreonRusJournal.orgTHE ORTHODOX NATIONALISTDr. Johnson's Radio Albion PageDr. Johnson's Books on AmazonVIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:02:42 Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson returns. How are you doing, Dr. Johnson? I'm doing very well, my friend. We're living in very depressing times, but despite all that, we're doing pretty well, both of us. Yes, yes. So I wanted to have you on, because... Because we, I think the first time we ever talked, we talked about Ukraine, and I don't, I don't believe we have done anything since then. And with the news of billions and billions more of money that could be closing the border here and doing all sorts of things going there, we need an update on what's going on over there.
Starting point is 00:03:20 So what are your thoughts on all this? Well, for those of your listeners who don't know, I'm an academic specialist in Russo, Ukrainian, both history and to a lesser extent policy and by politics and theology. I have many, many books out on this topic. So back in 2004, when the first orange revolution happened, I got this flurry of activity. Then 10 years later, when my down occurred. And then since 2022, when I went away, my first. day of my honeymoon, the war broke out, which didn't surprise me. It didn't surprise a lot of people. And keep in mind, you know, the trilemma of counterinsurgency, which essentially is what's
Starting point is 00:04:07 happening in Ukraine. That war was over as a conventional matter by the summer of 22. They've been artificially maintained, not just by Putin's conservatism here, but by intelligence and mercenaries and everything else that are shipped in from the Western world. who now with the Israeli situation can't even defend itself. American military equipment has performed very poorly. Tactics have been switched by the Ukrainian side back to the Soviet models, which most of them, most of the officers anyway, were trained in. And I have this from mercenaries personally,
Starting point is 00:04:44 that the American way over there of war does not work. They could send all the weapons in the universe over there. And it doesn't matter because, you know, Being trained on these things requires a lot of translators. People aren't even asking how many people know how to work this stuff, not only that, but how to integrate it with the rest of the strategy, which may or may not actually exist. Unified command structure was destroyed last year. No one knows what's going on. What's going on now?
Starting point is 00:05:15 Don't forget, the war is taking place in Russian areas. These are Russian-speaking areas in the east that voted over and over again to leave Ukraine, which now. is a fourth world backwater. It would have been a fourth world backwater regardless of whether there was a war or not. This is something I've been following since, you know, I started in the early 90s. But the trilemma of counterinsurgency is that you, there's three ingredients. You want to maximize the damage done to your opponent and you want to minimize both your own military casualties and civilian casualties. The problem is you can never have all three at once. So Putin decided to eliminate the first one.
Starting point is 00:05:57 He wanted to minimize his own casualties and certainly civilian casualties, since they were all Russians to begin with. And unfortunately, it meant that he had to sacrifice maximal damage to his opponent. That more recently has changed. Ukraine has been depopulated. No one knows Ukraine like the Russians do. Most of the capital there is Russian anyway. and it's been painful as a specialist in these areas to listen to these media morons start talking about these places and things that they just discovered yesterday as these
Starting point is 00:06:33 authoritative figures so but so other than that um the aid to Ukraine bill and the entire funding issue was front page news for a while and I kind of you know I And this program, at least in part, as you mentioned, should be on the aid thing, a country that doesn't have money that for the first time has the majority of its budget going to interest payments on the debt and is being invaded by a hostile guerrilla army from the South and the North too, strangely, you know, and is cutting back on everything from health care on down, but sending hundreds of billions to a war that. That can't be one, the purpose of which solely was to weaken Russia because Russia, as I said in the 90s, was the only self-sufficient, a nation who is completely self-sufficient and has the population, military tradition, and the economy to stand on its own against what we used to call the New World Order. Of course, now it's the Great Reset with their Chinese and Central Asian allies. I also want you to keep in mind that this was never the case. And if you don't mind me talking about this, I'm writing something here on a similar issue during the so-called Cold War, the aid to the Contras. What suffering, Ronald Reagan had to go through, would he get even a few dollars to go to these people, despite the fact it was right in the backyard?
Starting point is 00:08:11 What's the difference between the hatred, the regime's hatred of the Contras in the 1980s in Nicaragua or the El Salvador government back then and Ukraine today? And the only real difference is ideology. I mean, Reagan made this a central plank of his program. The enemy was the USSR, the regime in the Western world was heavily invested in the USSR. They vehemently opposed any war against it. Everything from Vietnam on down. The media openly backed the kind of semi-soviet or Cuban-Sandinista government and had zero opposition in the process for a handful of conservatives. So Reagan had to do this secretly.
Starting point is 00:08:54 There's only one difference between those two wars. And the one in Nicaragua was anti-leftist and the one in Ukraine is anti-Russian. In this case, Russia is seen as a more or less right-wing power. It's a bit more complicated than that. but I think you know what I'm talking about. He did get a few million dollars through the Congress. Remember, this is before the web, this before everything else. It was really hard to contradict these people.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I have a book on Latin America, the military dictators there, which aren't really too relevant here. But all this make-believe information about how evil the contras were. Nothing, of course, by the corruption of Ukraine. And, of course, they passed the infamous Boland, Amendment, prohibiting certain U.S. agencies from giving aid to the Contras. Reagan, of course, was right. San Dinoza government was a satellite of Cuba, and hence of the USSR, instigating revolution
Starting point is 00:09:55 all over Central America in particular. And the regime then created the Iran-Contra scandal, complete with no reference to the fact that this was an entirely Israeli operation relative to the Iran-Iraq War. So you have to ask yourself the crap that Reagan took for trying to support the contras against Cuban revolutionaries in the early 80s and the fact that there really is no opposition to the support of the fourth world Ukrainian state, which is a colony of the U.S. against Russia. They're night and day. And I'm saying that's the reason for it. It's ideology. ideology has always been the dominant issue
Starting point is 00:10:39 with the regime because ideology I mean the regime is a leftist force more or less an oligarchy versus some kind of a Soviet top-down thing of course this is also a top-down thing I have another paper on the similarities
Starting point is 00:10:58 at the fundamental level between Marxism not socialism but Marxism and postmodern capitalism it's based on the same set of assumptions So that's the first thing back in 22, the first thing, or even years earlier, that struck me. And even I have something out on Joe Biden back in, I think it was either 72 or 74, went over to the USSR with Richard Lugar of Indiana and the respect that he showed Soviet leaders
Starting point is 00:11:27 versus what he, what he, how he talks about Putin today. In other words, the U.S. was far more sympathetic to the USSR. then has been, if the Cold War was a real thing, that would have been going on then. The only time he had some traction was when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, but that was late in their career. The difference between, say, the Contra issue and the Ukraine issue, the difference has to be explained. I'm the only one who's explaining it. And the difference is in ideology. One was an anti-rightist thing.
Starting point is 00:12:01 The other is an anti-leftist thing. Those people who love going out shopping for Black Friday deals They're mad, aren't they? Like, proper mad. Brenda wants a television and she's prepared to fight for it, if you ask me. It's the fastest way to a meltdown. Me, I just prepare the fastest way to get stuff
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Starting point is 00:13:47 Let's take it in this direction. Okay, so the USSR falls, you know, choices are made. You know, Pap Buchanan was like, hey, we just got to concentrate on being that shining city on a hill now, but no, the neo-conservatives wanted to go in a, you know, wanted to keep it going. We need to find a new enemy to slay. And obviously, the first one was Iraq. But this is, and we've talked about this before, you've talked about it on the show,
Starting point is 00:14:16 is this is a Jewish operation. And the ideology there is that if it's going to be anti-right wing, it's usually going to come from them from World War II, the authoritarian personality by the Frankfurt School, all of these things that just destroy the right, anything that's the right needs to be destroyed. Well, Hitler's defeat was the approximate cause of all this, where nationalism in its various guises,
Starting point is 00:14:49 not fascism as such, but nationalism and its various guises, now was considered irrelevant. The world was divided between Truman and Stalin. And that's simply how the planet was governed. The USSR was internationalist. It was materialist. It was obviously secular.
Starting point is 00:15:09 It put its faith in production and science. It used a politicized psychiatry. It was at war with nationalism. The regime crossed borders back then. It was essentially one in the same empire. Now, of course, at the fringes, when the Soviet empire got way too big, especially over the Chinese issue, you did have some warfare. but it was highly limited and nothing like we're looking at today.
Starting point is 00:15:36 But today's Russian Federation under Vladimir Putin, starting in 2001, started preaching something very different. That was a nationalist and in many cases a royalist, a so-called Eurasianist world order, something that undercut the very foundational ontology of Western capitalism. Capitalism and Marxism had the same foundation. They were, you know, essentially brother and sister. Any empire that grew as large as a communist one was going to be opposed.
Starting point is 00:16:10 I don't care what ideology you had had. The ideology wasn't the problem there. It was the fact that they may get into a position where they can cut out the U.S. from trade deals. But that's exactly what the Russian Federation today is preaching. And this is why there's this huge difference in the treatment of, say, the contras in the 80s and Ukraine. today, the fact that the Americans are willing to go so far as to totally undercut their own ability to defend themselves and even get the U.S. involved in a major war, not just in Middle East, but East Africa and Central Asia, over Israel and all of Eastern Europe as far as Ukraine is concerned taking on a country that's much better off economically and culturally than the U.S. is in the Russian Federation. Going that far,
Starting point is 00:17:08 wanting to go that far, to undercut their own, to spend money they don't have, to continue to demand that the Ukrainians, you know, that the democracy fight to the last Ukrainian,
Starting point is 00:17:22 that they're depopulating that entire country, which is a tragedy. You just want to bring in the Jewish element. Jews hated Ukraine as much as they hated Russia. And for very similar reason, they hated the Cossacks of Ukraine. They hated the monarchy of Russia. They win either way here. Russian casualties have been very low.
Starting point is 00:17:42 That's a matter of deliberate choice. But the descendants of the Cossacks get depopulated. Anti-Jewish ideas are mainstream, both in Russia and in Ukraine, especially in Ukraine. Making matters more obnoxious. You have a Jewish president installed. No one ever heard of him before. he gets installed in power and starts shutting down any I mean he's an internationalist these aren't neo-nazis or fascists they wouldn't be supporting this if they were really that
Starting point is 00:18:15 they wouldn't be supporting this regime and they are serving its interests you know we're going to fight the the Russians to become a part of the European Union I mean no real nationalist group is going to talk like that but that's exactly what we're supposed to believe is it's going on here and it irritates me when they call them neo-Nazis or something like that now if they were neo-Nazi, they wouldn't be doing what they were doing. It's a Jewish regime shutting down the churches that have any connection with Russia, which is all of them, except for, you know, the nationally based so-called, but even the autocephalists were consecrated by Russians in many respects.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And that that line doesn't really exist in Ukraine for the most part anyway. So he shuts down all of the opposition politicians. closes the doors of all the parties, all the think tanks that opposed him, shut down thousands of churches and monasteries, says out loud that he's going to create a new Israel in Ukraine. We're going to borrow that kind of garrison mentality that they have in Tel Aviv. And we're going to do the same here. The state now controls everything,
Starting point is 00:19:25 this forcible conscription now of women and old people. sometimes you're doing it violently, just dragging anybody, training them very poorly and getting them killed, which is why the desertion issue is so huge and calling all of that democracy. And of course, the very simple answer is yes, it is. That is perfectly consistent with how the regime
Starting point is 00:19:53 defines democracy. That is liberalism. It's just an armed liberalism. It's liberalism and power. That's exactly what the Soviets are trying to do. It's exactly what the U.S. is doing now in a different way, but using the same kind of institutions, all this top-down stuff. And in the meantime, and the media totally controlled. Pro-Russian sources are totally banned in Europe.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I think you know. You can't get RT in Europe now, including in sympathetic states like Bulgaria. The U.S. is – you ever wonder where the anti-war? movement went? Remember the anti-nuke movements in the 80s? Where are they? The U.S. is now bringing nuclear weapons and has been into Romania, another place, Poland, without a people protest. But if this happened 45 years ago, you would have had all these leftists blocking traffic. All of this stuff has to be explained. I can't do everything by myself, but apparently, you know, I have to do it. that these two things are so radically different
Starting point is 00:20:58 or so you know they're radically different in terms of American policy and why that is the case and to support this man who has a popularity rating of zero if you can have it in negative numbers he would have no one trusts him no one likes him he doesn't know anything about politics he went in as a comedian and just does what he's told Ukraine is governed through the American embassy.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Things have to be, everything that Ukraine does is rubber stamp, you know, stamped approved by the U.S. Whether military or civilian, there's no independent Ukrainian policy because there's no independent Ukraine. Their economic strength within the East, which is now completely gone. And all of this, terror attacks against civilians in Crimea and in the East, all of it perfectly consistent with liberalism. It is the esoteria. This is liberalism totally exposed to the world. They said the same thing about Israel, the world's greatest democracy in the Middle East. Forgetting Lebanon and Turkey, of course, the only democracy down there that would say.
Starting point is 00:22:06 But this, and he says, I'm going to build Israel here. I'm going to build a garrison state where there are soldiers in every shopping mall and every supermarket. It's going to be a totally militarized state. He has completely separated from reality. I think he believes his own press. went into this extremely ignorant. He was the perfect front man. He's like he's like Joe Biden, who no one elected, who doesn't know where he is most of the time. It was like Yeltsin in Russia in the 90s. You could tell him anything. The perfect front leadership. And of course, that means domestically
Starting point is 00:22:40 tons of money being spent there, despite the fact that no one wants it spent there. And they want control of the border, which is never going to happen. The American economy at the elite levels is heavily dependent on that cheap non-union labor coming in. So that's just, and that hasn't changed for a long time now. This war is just to get one more step. But the fact that the U.S. is willing to go this far is something that the Russians can't understand. They're sacrificing their own security for the sake of supporting this clearly lost war. And the only thing that they're getting out of it is a total depopulation.
Starting point is 00:23:21 of one of the most educated and high-tech countries in Europe up until the 1990, not to mention the most fertile. And it's the outrage and the ignorance of people who don't know the first thing about this stuff. Bill Crystal's new organization. This is just Russia's coming for us. I don't know how many times I've – why would Russia be coming for us unless, of course, the U.S. are making it so. people with no knowledge of international affairs let alone knowledge of eastern europe are making policy and i guess i'm not sure of this but i guess they believe that russia's getting ready to invade with the chinese that's really the republican line now they're going to come for us unless we stop them
Starting point is 00:24:07 here well we're not stopping them anywhere he's ukrainian 15 year old um but they're not there's massive desertion at the front there they know that this war is over russians are traveling outside of their turrets. They don't have to worry about a sniper fire. There's no supplies. There's no ammunition. There's no train crews anymore. And just sending weapons is just a symbolic move. It's like sanctions. You could send, you could send Patriot missile batteries to Ghana if you want. That doesn't mean that they're going to integrate it with their own military and have train crews ready and willing to use it. It doesn't work that way. It represents. a certain culture.
Starting point is 00:24:51 There is no ability to integrate any of that stuff. And he gets destroyed the minute it gets off the boat. Anyway, they don't have the pilots. They haven't trained pilots to fly these advanced military American pieces of hardware. We can imagine rookie pilots here. They'd be slaughtered. And that's exactly the point. Anything to create a war with the Russian Federation as the only thing standing in the way
Starting point is 00:25:19 of the Great Reset. If it wasn't all of the loss of life, it would be comical when they make statements like, oh, Ukraine, you know, Ukraine's going to win this because, you know, Russia is a paper tiger, but then in the same breath, they'll be like Russia's going to invade, you know, Europe and take over Europe. And they make no sense whatsoever. That's why they have to bring the China thing into this. And what is China's going to invade Europe? what are these people even talking about?
Starting point is 00:25:51 I don't think that they're just relying upon the ignorance of the people anymore to believe this stuff. I think that they have some brainwashed people out there who are going to repeat whatever line they say. And then I think they just don't care anymore. They just don't care. I said in a little substack yesterday, when I was growing up, there was this term that was applied to quote unquote, neo-Nazis and white supremacists and these patriot groups. And now with everything that we've seen, where you can get the Speaker of the House of the representatives of the United States
Starting point is 00:26:31 to go to some college on the Upper West Side of New York City, of Manhattan, and repeat lies, repeat Hasbara that's been debunked, you know, three or four months ago, that we live in that term that was so demonized back then. We are a Zionist-occupied government. And to argue against that is just foolishness at this point. I'm not even going to take you seriously because you're not in the game. Well, you know what projection is as a psychological term. It's a neurotic defense mechanism.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Of course, you're unaware of doing it where you can't handle and you can't even deal with the evil that you find in yourself. So you project it, transfer it onto others. And it's no accident that every single thing that the West says about Russia and China or both is 10 times more applicable to the United States. This goes for every conflict. And it's so perfect, there's such a one-to-one correlation
Starting point is 00:27:43 that it can't be an accident. So I've come to the especially my favorite every few weeks there was one of the financial papers would say the Russian or the Chinese economy is going to collapse any day. They've been saying that for 15 years. No one gets in trouble for this. No one's fired. All their predictions are wrong about this kind of thing. And it's because their own economies are on the verge of of collapsing. And somehow this notion that the world depends on the.
Starting point is 00:28:15 United States and that sanctions not only aren't hurting Russia but helping them is not something the American can comprehend but the evils of the regime are being removed from itself and projected on to an other you know in quotes whether it be the Chinese or the Russians which very few people know about so then you could construct them in any way you want and that's how projection is is working here because you're dealing with public ignorance, they can absolve themselves of their own sins by claiming that other countries, especially their enemies, are doing the same thing. And it's such a bizarre thing to watch.
Starting point is 00:28:59 There has to be a psychological analysis of it. You know, there's no legitimacy to these governments. Well, you could say that about the West. They've lost contact with their people. Well, if anything is true about the West, it's that. on and on and on. And that can't be an accident. This is a way that, I mean, plenty of people in the regime are sociopathic.
Starting point is 00:29:22 They don't have a problem. They don't have to project because they don't care. They have no connection either with good or evil. It's all the same to them. But for semi-normal people in that position, projection allows them to deal with the fact that their policies are causing the deaths from Iraq to now of tens of millions of people in the name of democracy. has to be papered over in their brain in one way or another and projection allows them to do it.
Starting point is 00:29:48 It's a very common thing and it can be collective as well as as as personal. And that kind of answers your question about what else other than public ignorance is being used here. And to the point where every new article says something about Russia or China that I just finished arguing about the U.S. there's no freedom of speech there they would say as Ukraine shuts down all opposition no matter what they are you know et cetera et cetera and that's one of the ways that the regime can continue to function mentally speaking and there's not enough work done in that in that regard but it is too close a correlation for it to be anything else it is a collective psychosis
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Starting point is 00:32:05 As far as on the ground goes in Ukraine, where does this go? You mentioned that they don't even have snout. that Russians can come out of their tanks and walk around. I mean, what is it at this point? What's Russia's goal at this point? I guess that's probably a better question. What do you think Russia's goal?
Starting point is 00:32:27 What's Putin's goal at this point? Russia's goal hasn't changed at all in a decade and a half. There was never any attempt to overthrow the Ukrainian government, which is not really Ukrainian and is certainly not independent. to get Russian-speaking areas out of that hellhole, you have no functional economy, you have a worthless currency. The entire budget, all government offices are paid by American aid. It's like a real big Albanian. You know, that's, that's the main situation now.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Salaries are being paid by the American taxpayer. The goal is to protect Russian-speaking areas. from this backwater with 90% unemployment, whatever it is, to make sure that Kiev, matter what happens, does not join NATO and maintains a neutral point of view in terms of foreign policy. And of course, the previously very brisk and profitable trading in many things, I mean, Russian economy domestically, maybe 10% of it is based on oil and gas. that's far less than Norway or even Canada
Starting point is 00:33:43 but that's really been the goal from the beginning of course the media said that he wants to conquer Ukraine and every other place these are Russian speakers for the most part in the eastern half the country who even if they weren't particularly pro-Russian before
Starting point is 00:34:00 the economy of that Kiev oversaw up until the start of this war made it impossible for them to function and to maintain the rather constructive Russian presence in the east of Ukraine and in Crimea, at the same time, American Ukrainian terrorist cells are blowing up dams, are destroying sources of clean water. In other words, they're trying to slaughter them. If they were able to take Crimea back, which of course is impossible, what would they do?
Starting point is 00:34:32 No one wants them there. There's a huge language barrier. if they're already engaging in terrorist acts against a civilian population in eastern Ukraine and Crimea, what would they do if they actually occupied a place where these places are voting 97% to join the Russian Federation? Even if there was no war, they would have very similar margins of victory because Ukraine doesn't have a functional economy. It did at one point. and as you know black rock who is one of the great pillars of the world rule assuming some kind of a Kiev in victory
Starting point is 00:35:11 which of course they can't assume anymore has all the contracts ready to go for rebuilding Ukraine for their for their profit Ukrainians will have zero to do with any of it and this is why you have thousands of guys risking death to cross the river into Romania and many other places you know this is just um um the t's a river i should say in particular uh mucchevo border um places like this this is why these young guys are going to pay ten thousand dollars which is something where the average wage is like 250 a month to get the heck out of the country um being dragged off the
Starting point is 00:35:54 street you're 60 years old and you're dragged off the street and handed a rifle that's precisely what's going on You send all the tanks you want, but if you don't have trains and experienced crews and a rational command structure, you don't have anything. So what? They're destroyed the minute they come down. So that's Russia's goals, and that's the situation on the ground. Supplies, ammunition is down to almost nothing. Fuel has been a problem for a long time. Of course, Russia has total air power, air supremacy.
Starting point is 00:36:26 And the Russians have been very careful. You know, some of the Ukrainian army tended to concentrate themselves in eastern cities, which, of course, Russians could not dislodge them from without killing a lot of civilians. And that's not an accident. But even that, you know, these guys don't want to be where they are. Elite units are long gone. The volunteers are long gone. You have some stragglers.
Starting point is 00:36:48 What Russia is doing now is essentially a mop-up operation. And the U.S. just scuttled another peace deal, which would have. given into two Russian demands, which are very reasonable ones. And the U.S. said, no, you will never, you'll never surrender. So every, every death of this is on, blood on the hands of the American politician, the banking, the elite, arms dealers from Boeing on down. The only part of the American economy except porn that's growing. I haven't talked to you since, since this happened. So let me get your take on this, because,
Starting point is 00:37:28 I mean, this was, I mean, just the insanity of it. The shooting in Moscow, the mass slaughter. What was your take on it? What do you know about it? What can you tell us? Because it's already out of the news. They made sure that it's out of the news. That was a Ukrainian hit team using a group of people.
Starting point is 00:37:52 It's been a little while since I even considered them from Tajikistan, I think. Well, it was Central Asia somewhere. Yes, it was Tajik's probably trained in Afghanistan. And the use of ISIS, you know, I have several lengthy papers proving without doubt what ISIS is. It's an arm of the U.S. and Israeli military. And the proof of that is that they only attack targets that are enemies of Israel or the U.S., Russia included. There's no Palestinian group that believes that ISIS is a real organization, or they're a real organization, but that they're anything other than a Mossai. and CIA front.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Have they assisted the, here's an army that fought the Syrian, the advance Syrian Arab army to a standstill 10 years ago. Are they doing anything against the Israelis? No. They had a fleet of oil tankers overnight. You know, so for them to say this is ISIS.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Well, I suppose if there's one target that ISIS would want to hit, it would be the Russians, since they were the only ones who destroyed them and pushed them out of Syria years ago with the Russian, intervention there. The Russians were invited to the Americans are illegal occupiers. The Americans have no right to be in Ukraine either since they were involved in overthrowing
Starting point is 00:39:12 the previous government who the well highly imperfect was actually seeing some positive economic indicator for the first time in a long time. So it's an act of terror because this is all Ukraine and the U.S. have now. And of course when this happens, government's say, oh, the Russians are terrorist organization. You know, the Revolutionary Guard Corps should be called the terrorist organization. Well, of course,
Starting point is 00:39:38 the Americans and the Israelis have been murdering their nuclear scientists for a decade. Again, whatever whatever they accuse Russia of their doing, or, you know, Syria, whatever, whatever they accuse them of they're doing themselves. The attacks on
Starting point is 00:39:56 Crimea, the bridge, power, water, going to Crimea, parts of flooding parts of eastern Ukraine. This isn't exactly designed to win back hearts and minds. They have no chance of that ever happening. It would be a massive genocide if they were ever able to take over, which was the point of the 2022 invasion in the first place. Had the Russians waited a few more days,
Starting point is 00:40:21 the Ukrainian army would have invaded Nova Rassia and Dombas. and absorbed that capital at the black rock's behest the americans be hence back into ukraine and hence the western um the western orbit but beyond that the russian economy is doing so well about 300 billion that um and it's very unclear who owns at 300 billion that the the western world stole and wants to use for the ukraine war um i talk about that at some length elsewhere. That's a rounding error as far as the Russian economy goes. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Are these, they never make it clear. Are these state funds? Are they're oligarchs who, you know, it doesn't seem to bother the Russians very much at all? That's actually kind of hard to do. I think it's more symbolic than anything else. But now, as far as the third world is concerned, which is growing by leaps and bounds, thanks to bricks.
Starting point is 00:41:18 No one's going to trust any of their money in an American-backed or NATO-EU-backed account. Because the minute you irritate them, they could take all your cancer to do the Russians. And that just did that, you know, so that dissuades them from that as the Russians are actively with the Chinese recreating the world order based on regional nationalism, ethnic nationalism, civilizational forms rather than one abstract global economy. internationalism in the best sense of the word meaning interlocking nations that are presumed to exist and are good things versus globalism which is just abstract cosmopolitanism which is acultural and essentially the zomification of everyone it's no accident that the israelis always like to beam pornography into both the gaza's trip in the west bank they've been doing that for a very long time now why would they be doing that it's not to liberate these people from the shackle of their, you know, Islamic religion, it's to render them, the lackadaisical, to keep them addicted to anti-Islamic things that, of course, they have to pay for in order to keep them from fighting, to keep them from building a separate identity. That's why the Israelis are always doing that.
Starting point is 00:42:40 It's not an uncommon thing. And look at what Russia's doing. They're getting rid of porn. They got rid of Burger King. Oh, my God. Getting rid of McDonald's. How would that call it? are ever going to, ever going to survive.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Their health just went through the roof by comparison to Americans. No one needs any of these things. But as the Russian economy continues to do very well, building new trading blocks, the U.S. is looking worse and worse. Every foreign policy gambit of theirs has been a failure. I think the last success was what, Grenada? No, Panama. That was about the last success.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Everything else has been a miserable failure. from Iraq to God knows Afghanistan, Somalia, the Israeli morass right now, and now, of course, the extreme unpopularity of liberalism and liberal economies in the Western world, especially in the Central European world. So, and these sanctions are now going to be aimed at third countries. In other words, if you assist a country in evading sanctions, you, you, you, you, yourself will be sanctioned. Now, you don't hear that many court cases about people who've been arrested for breaking sanctions. It's very curious. I've never seen, you know, IBM or Chevrolet getting dragged before a judge because they did something you weren't supposed to.
Starting point is 00:44:03 No, the U.S. still buys things from Russia. Britain says it won't, it won't import Russian oil and gas. We're just going to get it from the French, but where do the French get it? You know, it's hilarious, you know, how we grew in some of these people are. So that's kind of a very, very rough thumbnail sketch of what's going on. The shooting specifically, yeah, it's just one more terrorist attack out of many and many more to come because that's all the West has left. Well, you mentioned them just not caring about hearts and minds and public opinion anymore. So can you, what's your opinion on, I mean, Israel's bombing Syria, Israel's bombing Lebanon,
Starting point is 00:44:47 Israel, you know, just turn the Gaza strip into dust. What's the purpose of all this? I mean, it just seems so, like, they're basically just trying to destroy everything. They're trying to destroy themselves. They're trying to destroy their own people. They're trying to, there just seems to be a nihilism associated with this that I can't quite, some people are jumping straight to, like, eschatological. end times things, what are they doing?
Starting point is 00:45:21 Well, if these aren't the end times, then there is no such thing as the end times, especially because it's global and scope. And for some of the things that we suffer today, you didn't even have the vocabulary for, in Greek, for example, millennia ago. So they can only describe it in very vague terms. Now, the machinery of Armaged,
Starting point is 00:45:45 is a completely different issue. I spoke about that last week on the concept of the Kabbalistic concept of Adam Cadman. The broader point is that the U.S. is simply losing everywhere it goes. It believes it has this authority to throw its weight around anywhere. It's like that episode of the Simpsons where the old man in a nuclear plant lost all of his money in power but still walked around Springfield like he, Mr. Burns, still walked around Springfield like he had all that money. And people were alive and out. That's how the U.S. appears now, which is why they have to rig elections, which is that why they have to use acts of terrorism, and simply use genocide as a means of foreign policy, whether it be in Ukraine or in, because that's the only thing you consider Gaza to be. And Israel's good with that.
Starting point is 00:46:39 So if Israel's going to kill babies, which they do, and toddlers, and those who survive are going to have PTSD for the rest of the, their lives. If you're going to attack hospitals and then of course accuse the Russians of doing the exact same thing, of course, almost in the same breath, then you can't take, you know, their main pillar in the U.S. is these Republican evangelical. It's now part of the Protestant creed that there's only one group that's saved by their race and that's these Khazar Jews. And the level of ignorance that goes into that is astounding. We don't need to be. We don't need to even have a common vocabulary anymore, but you can't be pro-life, for example, and support Israeli operations in Gaza. You can't do it because you're killing babies there. You're preventing
Starting point is 00:47:27 them from being born and God knows what kind of a level. And it's mass slaughter. So either there has to be a total revaluation of values on some Nietzschean foundation or simply the Jews cashing in with, you know, we are the superior race and therefore the laws don't apply to us. normal public opinion doesn't apply to us. And a complete, of course, there was also the whole question of new Khazdia in Crimea, but that's not going to happen now. I have a few papers out on that. It's a very old concept.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Jews mostly know that they're Khazars and have no connection with the people of the Old Testament. So I want to rebuild the Qazdadi, which is roughly where Crimean and the Black Sea are. And Caspia on the other side, that was pretty much the foundation of the, Khazar Empire, but Russia had to lose for that to be the case. So now Israel's in serious trouble. They didn't win this war like they thought. They're grinding it out in a war of attrition. You have almost the entire world against them.
Starting point is 00:48:31 You have the Turks threatening to intervene in any given moment. You imagine that. The Iranians have been extremely restrained and intelligent. Their counter strike, as we all know. And now that the U.S. is completely bereft of military equipment, they're sending what they have left to the Israelis. And their performance, even in the Israeli side, has been pretty poor compared to their opposition. The Houthis, the, you know, Hezbollah has defeated Israel in the past in 2000.
Starting point is 00:49:08 They took South Lebanon. And worse, as far as the Western world is concerned, any Islamic state run by moderates who wants to actually talk to Tel Aviv are going to be overthrown. So you're radicalizing people who may not have been radical before. Don't forget, Iran is a first world economy. They have a first world scientific
Starting point is 00:49:32 and educational establishment. The best mental health on the planet. I think the lowest suicide rate in the world? I think they're in the bottom five. Something like that. A highly motivated group of people who now realize who's the cause for their problems.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Sanctions to the extent that they've done anything in Iran are blamed on the West, the people where it should be blamed. And it hopes that they want to weaken their opposition just enough that they can continue their strip mining of the world's assets. I don't even think that's going to work out. We're living in wonderful times in many ways. My audience would want me to ask this question because I don't think we've spoken since the interview with Tucker.
Starting point is 00:50:16 and Putin. When Putin brings up denazification, what is he talking about? Well, we've already covered it. I didn't watch it. I had little interest in it. Nothing new was said. I have a book out on the political philosophy of Vladimir Putin, which came out in 2012, called Russian populist. And really, his agenda hasn't changed. My big criticism, though, I was the very first pro-Putin guy in the nationalist right in 2001, 2000. 2002 when I was at the Barnes Review. Everything that came after follows on me.
Starting point is 00:50:53 And of course, the publications in the Barnes Review and elsewhere are proof of that. The one thing I disagree with Putin on is this notion that these neo-Nazis, this glorification of World War II and the defeat of the German army. And I get it from a Russian point of view, but not necessarily
Starting point is 00:51:08 from an ideological point of view. Where somehow the Soviet banners should be put in the temple of the army that they have in Petersburg right next to two orthodox ones. That's a very common pro-Soviet, ideologically pro-Soviet but non-leftist
Starting point is 00:51:27 approach to history. Putin is still hung up on this World War II victory and it's the ultimate and the high point in Russian life. And in fact, it wasn't Russian at all. It was Soviet, which was largely a foreign internationalist body, which at the time, was ruled by a Georgian in an army
Starting point is 00:51:46 of Jews. Putin, of course, has bought into this neo-Nazis-run Ukraine thing, despite the fact that they don't have a single policy that an actual neo-Nazi movement would engage in, against the power that in many ways can be considered somewhat social nationalist in Russia,
Starting point is 00:52:07 like you have in Syria and Belarus and elsewhere in a very vague sense. I mean, that's what Russia is. I vehement disagree with them. And he uses that, I think. I mean, he does believe it. He's passed laws where if in a non-scholarly way, you question the great patriotic war victory. Again, non-scholarly, that's gone to the courts already and scholars have been perfectly, I've been exonerated.
Starting point is 00:52:35 I've actually covered that in the past. This is for non-scholars. That somehow that was a pinnacle of Soviet and hence Russian life. I can't agree. I can't accept it. There's millions of Russians who agree with me. Putin is a great man, and he saved Russia from utter dissolution by 1999.
Starting point is 00:52:57 But as far as that is concerned, he's dead wrong. And I mean, the policy can end up being the same. But he says that over and over again, that this is the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev, despite the fact that their specific agenda is to be a part of NATO, be a part of the EU and be a liberal power in all definitions of that term.
Starting point is 00:53:23 So there's a little cognitive dissonance there. It's irritating, but not a huge issue for me. We've already mentioned that the people who are financing Ukraine have said that they're willing to fight Russia down to the very last Ukrainian. When you examine everything that's happening right now and you look at everything. thing. In your opinion, how does this end? I think, and I'm not making a hard and fast prediction here. It's going to be like how the U.S. surrendered in Afghanistan. You don't have people who really know what's going on over there. So you could say we won and we're getting out. And that's it. And the media doesn't talk about it anymore and no one even knows what's going on. And they're
Starting point is 00:54:16 going to do the same here. You have a whole Ukrainian units refusing to fight shootouts between people being forcibly drafted and all that. There's been a lot of violence in Ukraine. It's going to get to the point where, you know, Ukrainian is going to refuse to fight. This Zelensky is never going to put himself in front of elections. They'd be rigged anyway. But, you know, I don't think he's, he's dumb enough to do that. my God, the Americans had an election right in the middle of the civil war. The Syrians did it during their war. It's not, you know, the problem is he has no support in the nationalist population, let
Starting point is 00:54:59 alone anyone else. So I think it ends with the U.S. pulling out and just dropping it, declaring victory, so long as there's no follow-up questions and the media move on to something else. That's certainly depressing. demoralizing just all the loss of life. What are you figuring, Ukrainian, 600,000 at this point? Oh, yeah, did you read my paper on that? I think I published 600.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Are you talking about military deaths? Military, I think. The last one I saw that was like 500,000, but another 100,000 in civilians maybe. Oh, yeah. I had come up, there was a study that was some months ago on obituaries appearing in Ukrainian newspapers. That was a guy who put it at 600,000 military casualties, not just deaths, casualties in general. Deaths, you know, all countries lie about their casualties.
Starting point is 00:56:03 The U.S. does it all the time. There is no Ukrainian official number. They would never release that. It would be ridiculous anyway. whatever your view is is going to be much higher than that there's very now you civilians it's really hard to tell um it's not as compact as gaza is you know there you can keep track but this is a much bigger place um and this you know so yeah i said 600 000 like three months ago uh the intensity of the war has has gone down and um there's simply no resources or manpower
Starting point is 00:56:42 to engage in any kind of offensive. And the Russians are not going to fall for the let's talk peace while retooling and regrouping, which has happened twice in the past. It happened at the Istanbul conference a few months into the war. And of course, it happened at the Minsk, too, concerning East Ukraine. They're not going to fall forward a third time. I think Russia will get its goals. and at a minimum there'll be a cold peace between the two sides, the rump Ukrainian state
Starting point is 00:57:18 with the, I don't know, the eastern quarter already a part of Russia, the Russian speaking anyway, and actually being a part of a functional economy for once. China's already heavily involved in rebuilding Crimea. you know the Ukrainian administration kept the infrastructure in a shockingly bad state of disrepair so they have to rebuild a lot of this stuff from from zero but there's no resources in the West certainly nothing in Kiev that they could use to fight whether they go to a purely ISIS you know style terrorist group that they'll invent again whole cloth that you know that's a separate issue
Starting point is 00:58:04 issue but um this loss of life now i don't know maybe 700,000 total casualties for absolutely nothing i've also heard reports of tens of thousands of fighting fighting men who could be buried in unmarked graves while their commanding officers continue to collect their paychecks have you heard anything about that i have heard about that i don't remember where i've been on a couple of russian language blogs from former military officers who've spoken of this. There's been many reports from 2014 on of Ukrainian officers fleeing the scene, leaving their men stranded. It's a source of a lot of desertion. And Putin has made it very easy for these boys.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Of course, it's all boys. There's no girls. For these boys, young men to become Russian citizens. And there's been a big explosion there. let alone those that have fled the border, paid the money and simply left. The rich are certainly long gone from there. The western part of the country is not entirely industrialized. It's an agrarian population.
Starting point is 00:59:20 It still may be viable. The eastern part, of course, is very pro-Russian and highly industrialized and urbanized, but it could never function as a part of the Ukrainian economy. Now, for the first time, it can function. what Ukraine is going to do to replenish its numbers, that's, again, a separate issue. And the whole thing is extremely depressing. Well, let's end it right there. I'm going to make sure to put in all the links that I normally do.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Why don't you remind people where they can find your work and support your work? Well, if you search for my full name, I'm the only one in the world. It should bring you to russjournal.org. and it should also more importantly bring you to Radio Albion, which is my home base. And on all of my lectures, the hour-long ones and the half-hour ones that I do on Thursdays,
Starting point is 01:00:15 all the links to my Patreon, to direct donations, all the books. Anything you can spend your money on would be appreciated. I know you have a tremendous audience. I'm extremely impressed by it. And I've gained a lot of new readers and listeners because of it.
Starting point is 01:00:33 I appreciate you putting the links there. You know, the WordPress link and everything else. I even have a Bitcoin wallet, which is on my page on Radio Alpian. Searching for me is fairly easy, and it should bring you right there. Direct donations are through Stripe. It's called the Russian Orthodox medievalist like my website is. and you could use that as well as Patreon, where I published about two lengthy articles a month
Starting point is 01:01:06 on all kinds of topics. The U.S. military situation in Ukraine situation in Israel, everything from Maryland Monroe to tattoos, all that kind of stuff. I cover everything there, and it's been very successful. Great. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. Can't wait to talk to you the next time. You take care, all right?
Starting point is 01:01:26 Hey, I appreciate you, my friend. Talk to you soon.

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