The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1048: Anatomy of a Takedown w/ Judd Blevins

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

74 MinutesPG-13Judd Blevins is a former city councilman in Enid, Oklahoma. Judd joins Pete to tell the story of his journey from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, to being doxxed by Right-Wing Watch, to running for and winning a local city council position, and the subsequent recall election to remove him from office.VIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I'm here with Judd Blevins. How are you doing, Judd? Hey, Pete, thank you for having me. I appreciate coming on your show. Well, I appreciate you being here. I should tell you give a quick overview about, you know, why you're here. Sure. So I recently made national news. I was a city councilman who got elected in February 2023. This was fairly significant because I have been doxed from. the events of Unite the Right in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017. We got Dox in 2019 because of that, but in 2023, I ran for local a position, unpaid position in local city government and got elected.

And then the liberals in my community leftist, I should say really, but I mean, it's kind of and interchangeable really they took advantage of the recall process and unfortunately I did not come out on top in the recall I had was the target of a tremendous media feeding frenzy had NBC CNN PBS as pretty much as as well as as as well as every single news outlet here in the state of Oklahoma so that's kind of a brief front down but um you know the i haven't really had the opportunity to tell my side of the story so i'm looking forward to uh to doing that well can you ask an answer yeah can you answer a question about um unite the right the charlottesville sure look at looking back um would you do it again

or would you skip it uh man i've never been asked if i would like do it in or skip it. I would probably say, honestly, I'd probably skip the thing. I mean, at the end of that day, it wasn't, you know, I think what gets lost is that the actual rally itself didn't never really happen because the police created, intentionally took no precautions to separate two sides from one another. And as we are very well, as we saw in 2020, I mean, the left has no qualms about getting violence and they certainly didn't in 2017 um so i i probably won it honestly i mean i don't i'll say this i don't regret going but had it uh i mean of course if i knew it was it was going to go the exact same way i don't think anybody would honestly most people forget

that y'all were there because of you know because of a statue and that you were illegally there you had a permit and everything. But I think, you know, let's face it, let's be honest here. I'm going to let you say whatever you want. But what happened the night before, you know, and the Tiki Torches and everything, that just took over and basically blinded anyone that wasn't on your side at that point. I mean, would you agree? Yeah, I would.

I think that was, I mean, there's a long history of the context that goes in a set. setting up why that was done. I think it has to do a lot with kind of activism that year was kind of nighttime activism. So it was kind of cool to be, I guess, I don't know, holding a torch or something. But I mean, a lot of people have always said if Friday night was the only thing, then it would have been a success. But I just feel like a Friday night would have been the only thing at, at Charleston. Bill's bill. Number one, you never would have gotten that many people there to begin with. And number two, I don't feel like, I don't feel, again, that as many people would have showed up. But I also don't think it would have been that significance with the reaction. I think a lot, you know, a lot of people on our side flew in around the from all over the country to protest the removal of Robert E. Lee. But also a lot of people from all over the country came into to fight us.

Yeah. No, I think people forget about that, that it was, people were flying in from everywhere to take part in this. And it was a, I think a lot of it had a lot more to do about, um, just politics in general making a big, it was a bigger statement than the statute itself. And that's basically the way it would turn out when you have people coming in and, um, you know, and I'm, I know there were probably some people who actually came in from outside of the country because I've talked to some people.

there who were actually there from outside of the country. But yeah, all right. Yeah. Well, let's do this. Let's jump forward. So apparently you didn't get in trouble for being there or anything, but you said you got doxed for being there. When was that and what happened?

So I got doxed by Right Wing Watch in 2019. Right Wing Watch is a media outlet, which is, I think, ran by people for the American Foundation or Foundation for the American Way. a very kind of, you know, 1960s communist outfit where they're, you know, they don't call themselves just outright communist, so they give themselves some sort of American aesthetic, friendly name, you know, concerned parents of America, something like that. But it's a Soros run or owned outlets. So I was doxed as a participant in United the Right. And then also because I was in, I didn't in Europa at the time. time. We disbanded shortly around this whole time frame, too. But that's kind of why I got docs. When I got docs, it didn't really, I'm in Oklahoma, a fairly red part of Oklahoma, self-employed, so it's not like they could get me fired for my job or anything. So my, my docs kind of just came and went, really. I mean, not a whole lot of people in Northwest Oklahoma

are reading right wing watch. All right, well, let's jump forward to you running for office because that's what's, you know, probably that's the bigger story here, especially this year. And it is something of interest to me because, you know, I am very interested in local politics. We talked some time ago, and you told me it wasn't really even your idea to run for office. So why don't you tell the story about how, you know, this all happened, how it all transpired? Well, yeah.

So I was originally asked if I'd be interested in running about two years ago. And the people asked me they had been kind of participants in local government around starting up in 2020. A lot of that had to do with kind of outrage over COVID lockdowns, mass mandates. But then that kind of gradually, as COVID and lockdowns and mass mandates kind of faded away. they you know the conservatives in town found the more they they got involved with local government the more they found frankly that even even here this is just being run by a bunch of leftists they discovered the material that was that was that was being displayed in the children's section of the library was obviously very

heavily LGBT stuff totally not appropriate so they started getting involved and started asking people in various parts of the city if they'd be interested in running and in 2021 they got I believe about two people elected to the current city council which I served on one that one elected official has stayed pretty solid the other ones blaked out but so about two years ago that they approached me and I I I know who they were at the time. I had known that they had also helped other people getting elected, I should say. So they asked me if I'd be interested. And I told them, let me get back to you on this. Because having been docs, you know, I knew that's the number one result if you Google my name. So I decided, let me take the summer.

I'm going to pray over this, going to see what God wants me to do, because this is a pretty big decision. I felt it was going to be probably the most important, significant decision I had made in my life since I decided to join the Marine Corps when I was 20. So I took the summer, and I felt that truly I was being called to do it. So I got back with the people who asked me if they were still interested. They said they were. So I told them, I'll do it.

But here's what you need to know about me. because I, you know, I knew I had an obligation to tell these people, look, I've been docs, so this is going to come out. We're going to get attacked for this. So you all need to be ready. So I told them about the docs, told them, you know, explain what a docs was and said, basically I was part of, you know, what's called a hate group. Obviously, I disagree with that title.

I went to Charlottesville. Here's what happened there. And they really didn't, they weren't bothered by it at all. I mean, they straight up told me, you know, it just sounds like you've been paying attention to everything that's been happening to this country for a lot longer than we have. So, I mean, this is, that makes us want to run you more. So I was really, you know, because I was kind of feeling, you know, I could, okay, I'm got the impression I do want to do this. I've got that good feeling, but I could go back to these people and they may freak out. But they didn't.

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I actually faced the incumbent who was actually going for his third term. I don't believe it would have been his third consecutive term. But it would have been his third term in office. He was the councilman, commissioner, I would say, who was in office during COVID and everything. but yet for some reason he decided to to give it one more time on the commission I was fortunate enough I didn't draw a third challenger because that's when it does get a little hairy because if if you have more than two it's guaranteed if one person doesn't get 50% plus one it goes to a runoff and I really didn't

want to you know go two more months in the campaigning but We filed, the incumbent filed, and the filing period ended, and it was just him and I. Now, I don't think that he actually had to run four years prior. I think basically the seat was open and he was the only person that did file. So he didn't really have to campaign that time. But this time he did. I found I was a lot better at it. It's essentially a matter of just simply put it in the word, getting your voter rolls from your county election board, you know, literally spending hours just putting together spreadsheets and walking lists.

I know if you raise enough money, there's software apps that will compile all that data for you with likely voters and blocks. and stuff like that, but that stuff gets really expensive and I didn't have that that big of a budget to work with But the campaign It went it was fairly standard the local paper called me About three weeks after the filing day and they asked me if I wanted to talk about These this docs that happened in 2019 They said will you come talk to us about your alleged time and identity Europa and I'm like let me get back to you so we kind of stalled

them and then eventually just decided just to give them a statement so I think it was early January the paper ran like a front page article about me it said like city commissioner has ties to white nationalism something like that but You know, it really didn't have much of an effect on the initial race itself. Most people didn't care. Honestly, I had people telling me, I'm going to vote for you just because the paper has written bad press about you. So it never really was that big of a factor. I mean, the local paper did their job.

They reported on it. But after that, it kind of didn't really gain much traction, which I was kind of surprised to say that. to see that um i should say because i was expecting a lot more attention the first go around i was expecting attention from you know the likes of vice or huffington post or even like one of the oklahoma city tv stations but it never really happened um so we get to election day and um well i i'm sorry uh we get to a couple weeks out and we have some forums and I'm asked about it and I addressed it and, you know, nobody in the audience booed me, except a couple of people clapped.

And it was very rare that, like, I was door knocking that anybody asked me about it. In fact, I think I had a total of, like, one person get, like, angry at me the first go-round. But the election came and I won by 36 votes. there's not a huge margin of victory but that's fairly typical for your local municipal elections i mean these are really a matter of a voter turnout um so if if anybody listening is interested in running for local office that really is the key thing you've got to you've got to pound the ground you got to get out and knock on people's doors and introduce yourself and spend one-on-one time with them. It helps if you have volunteers that will also pick up the slack because you'll find that

a team of volunteers can typically doork about 100 people, maybe 150 on a good day with good weather in one day, whereas the candidate's going to be lucky if he can doork knock about 80 people at most. And the reason for that is because everybody really wants to talk to the candidate themselves. Well, let's talk a little bit about Enid where you are. So Oklahoma, if anybody's ever really looked at it on a map, sort of shaped like a meat cleaver. And Oklahoma City is like dead smack in the middle of the blade. And Enid is north of it, getting closer to the state line of Kansas than it is to Oklahoma City.

So Enid having a roughly 50 to 51,000 population. What is the, you know, to me, 50 to 51,000 is still very big for trying to do a lot as far as a right wing kind of move in a town. But what is the town like? Because, you know, we're going to talk about the kind of activists that came out, came out after you. But what would you, how would you describe the town politically, culturally in that way? Oh, it's overwhelmingly conservative. I mean, in 2016, when the local paper endorsed Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, that was a huge, like, scandal here in this town. Like people, it got so big, so many people were canceling their subscriptions that the New York Times did an article about this itself.

And if you go to the New York Times, if you search their archives for Enid, Oklahoma, it will pull that article up. I believe it was written late 2016, early 2017. But, I mean, the town itself is overwhelmingly conservative, Christian. There's not really any, you know, what we think of as like megachurches, but there's still there's I would say without question I mean it's evangelical Christian that's certainly the largest

I mean they're technically non-denominational churches but it's I mean it's kind of your standard Midwestern city I mean it we're about I think somewhere in between 68 to 72%

white the second largest group is Hispanics and and then we actually have a Pacific Islander community here which is another story but I mean politically the town is conservative demographically vast majority wide with the second largest group being Hispanics I mean it's a great city to live in it really is the the issue is that it's been somewhat stagnant in population growth I mean there's no question question that the city's biggest demographic is the baby boomers just like everywhere else. And a big issue that I ran on in 2023 was keeping the young people here.

Because a reason Enid has remained so stagnant in this population is that so many young people who grow up in Enid end up moving away to metropolitan areas to Oklahoma City or Tulsa, if they're move out of state, they're typically moving to Dallas or to Denver or to Kansas City, Chicago even. But that had caused in it a lot in population growth. So that was an issue that I was looking forward to to fixing as best I could. A lot of that had to do with just focusing on bringing in industry that would bring, in turn, bring in jobs. And then just promoting the, you know, job opportunities that are here to high school kids. You know, when I was in high school,

nobody from the city came and talked to me about career opportunities that existed here in town. So as you get older, you look back and you think, man, when I was 19, what's the one thing I wish somebody would have told me? When I was 22, what's the one thing I wish somebody would have told me? When I was 32, what's the one thing

I wish somebody would have told me? So that's kind of my, that was a big focal point for my initial campaign was keeping the young people here. All right. Let's jump forward. You, election day comes. You win. And did it have to go to a runoff? No, no, it did not.

Okay. How's everything going? I mean, your first few, you know, the first few meetings and, you know, the first few 10 meetings, how's everything? Sure. Sure. So one odd thing is that the municipal elections occur in February, but you're not sworn in until the first Monday of May, per the city charter, which is actually a longer break than the presidential victory to inauguration. The president, you know, he wins in first or maybe the second week of November. Then he's sworn in January. January 20th. It was actually a longer, like, period, like a longer break between, like, my election victory and the day I got sworn in. So in between my victory and getting sworn in, the local leftist formed the Enid Social Justice Committee.

And they got a tremendous help from the local paper who gave them publicity. They advertised that they were having a hot dog cookout in the middle of a park, and they were going to organize themselves to launch this horrible, evil white supremacist out of office. That was their explicit goal, was to recall me. I kind of considered these people to be a joke. Of course they are. But then we get to May, to the first Monday of May, which actually was May 1st of 20th. I get sworn in they hold a protest outside and a couple of them should come in during the meeting just to make just to make use of the public comment section they just said a bunch of incoherent leftist screeching things but then they they for the most part like went away never were seen from again at any public meeting except for one old lady who would just like say the same thing or over and over again.

But as far as my time in office, I mean, it was very fairly well mundane. A lot of city government isn't, by no means, is it things that gets anyone excited? I mean, a lot of it is just, oh, just, well, right when we got in, it was like budget month. So you're sitting there for just three hours just hearing about how.

the city needs more money for you know the the library the streets the police the fire and it's all just number numbers crunching it's very i don't know why you get thrown in uh right at the uh at the budget time because you have no idea what the heck's going on but uh after that i mean a lot of it is making appointments to the various boards uh that the city uh establishes to advise us on certain topics like a parks and recreation board a library board the air force base advisory board stuff like that um from there there's a lot of hearings about rezoning parts of the city you know to turn them from residential like if they're on the main road and the residential areas kind of run down and you got the developers bought a couple lots and he wants to turn them into i don't know a

gas station or something. It's just hearings like stuff like that. Not exciting things at all. But I was starting to enjoy it, kind of learn the job. And I should say, it was all volunteer. All volunteer. I didn't get paid a dollar for it. So I still had to operate a business at the time, too. When do they show up? I remember looking at some of the articles and seeing some of the people who were there and just going yep even in a small town like enid you have these people are there yeah yeah yeah one quick thing on that like i think it's pretty fairly well known that um there was this one lady in particular probably close to 60 if not over 60 who has a shaved head, except right down the middle, has a, like, front-to-back mohawk, and it's, like, dyed pink or

yellow or purple or something, some crazy color. You know, I don't want to say her name, but you get on her Facebook page and you scroll back, like, 10 years ago, like, she's a normal-looking lady, completely normal-looking lady. And it's like the great awokening phenomenon, that is real. Like, I in my opinion it was the I can't think of the court case but it basically was the

gay marriage decision in in 2015 from the springboard yes yes and then and then Donald Trump's election that like truly brought it out of people like that people made left is made like their inner ugliness

their outer appearance too like it's it's I mean it's everywhere it really is And a lot of that obviously has to do with the internet. But yeah, it is sad that, I mean, there seems to be no respite from them just about anywhere in the country. It seems like you also had a quote unquote, and let me keep quoting this, a priest out there. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, how much of a priest is this guy? I saw that he had rainbow. yeah, rainbow vestments. Yeah, he calls himself like Orthodox Catholic some sort of sect, which it's neither Eastern Orthodox nor is it Roman Catholic.

Like it's a cult. It is not Christianity at all. It puts on a collar and we'll have like crucifixes. It's not a cold cult. I mean, that man he thoroughly rejects scripture. And I'm not

talking about just like promoting, you know, the rainbow flag stuff. When I say thoroughly rejects scripture, I mean, he rejects creation. He rejects the end as it's written in the Bible. I mean, he will say things like, well, everybody will be saved in the end as though like Christ's sacrifice on the cross means nothing. And I straight up told him, like, to his face one time, like, because he was just, you're a white nationalist and you need to worry about this. he was trying to pull like the God is you know God hate you routine on me um and I said you know what Jim I think you should be more worried about uh telling people that everybody's going to be

saved because that that negates uh Christ's death on the cross and he he got so angry uh with me at that and I knew I'd gotten under a skin that time but yeah the man is uh I had a guy a friend of mind, look through his Facebook feed. He's one of our guys. He told me, man, I've been, like, trolling liberals on the internet since, I don't know, 2007. Like, this guy legitimately is, like, one of the worst liberals I've ever seen. So he, it's unfortunate that he chose to, because he's not even from here, he's from the East Coast, but it's unfortunate that he decided to, make his home here, but yeah, he is quite unfortunate, but it's really unfortunate that the mayor

decided to help this individual out. I know I'm kind of putting the cart before the horse, but yeah, that guy is quite the, I don't know what the proper word to describe him is, what's your opinion of him, just looking at pictures and Facebook posts and everything. I know, I know Amaran did a good summary of the guy and brought out some of the more notorious hateful post that he had made. But I'd like to get an outsider's opinion on him. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design.

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and if it's online, it's in stock. With next day delivery in Greater Dublin. Appliances delivered.orgie, part of expert electrical. See it, buy it, get it tomorrow. Or you know, fight Brenda. Well, I mean, everything is an inversion to these people. Anything that's good, they have to invert. anything that's pure, anything that's clean.

They have to invert and they have to make it dirty. It's just basically what the job of progressives is. And that's what this progressive is, this quote-unquote priest and the Mohawk lady. I've looked her up and I've researched her too. They're just doing everything they possibly can to invert the natural order of things. And, you know, they, there's no better job than that than, you know, someone who calls himself the weird priest in address.

Yeah. There's a great tweet from Mr. Grove on Twitter. He's kind of a spurred. Like, he'll post really great stuff and then delete it all and then deactivate and reactivate and all that. But he, he's got really good takes on leftist and communists, like, just breaking it down. and he one time made a tweet that said, quote, someday everyone will be as ugly as I am,

end quote, is actually the driver of all leftist thought. They're miserable. They're not happy with who they are, even what they are. So they just have to make everybody else as miserable as possible. And that's really where we're at with this, with these people. So anyway, let's put that aside. And why don't you fast forward to the recall?

And what leads up to the recall? Sure. Well, per of the city charter, you have to be in office at least six months. So I got an office in May. These people, so I get in office in May. They have to wait until November. Now a couple weeks in late October they approached another well another commissioner approached them and asked them basically asked them hey what's it going to take for for you all not to do this because the guy likes me he wants to see me stay on. His name was actually Derwin Norwood he was actually the only black commissioner on there so he was kind of prominently featured in a lot of articles too. But he reached out to them and asked him what's it going to take to

for you all to drop this and his expectation I think was that they'll just say well if he just makes a apology to us in private that'll be fine I might have considered that but what they brought to him was basically an extortion threat it said basically you judge you need to perfectly execute our humiliation ritual in public during a public meeting on YouTube and you have to basically give credence to every single lie that we've told about you every single lie that the media has has told about what identity Europa was what happened at Charlottesville you have to give credence to every single lie and I just outright

refused oh and I forgot to mention that they the kicker was they said even even if you like do all even if you meet all of our conditions uh we'll table our effort to recall you for now but if you act up we'll proceed with it anyway which is basically them just wanting me to hand over the oversight that voters hold over me and give it to them um because you know a topic could come up and my constituents could want me to vote a certain way but these people want me to vote a different way. Well, if I had agreed to their terms, like, who's really, like, holding the cards there. So I just flat out, I refused to do that. So November 7th was the first meeting that we had in which six months had gone by. I knew they were going to kind of launch their

recall effort by showing up to a meeting. And they did, but of course, they hadn't grown, like, in size at all. It was the same people. Same people there in May were the same. The same ones who showed up in November some of them for the first time since May and they all took use of public comment well I'm getting ahead of myself so the mayor wanted me to you know he wanted me I don't know if he wanted me to sign their little agreement but he basically told me that he wanted me to make this little headache go away for him and I told them mr. mayor listen I There's nothing I can say these people, short of I quit, that is going to calm them down. Now, I explain to them, listen, they have admitted.

They don't have a candidate. So we can just let them do their little recall. We can go let them collect signatures. And we can set a recall date and they'll, you know, the filing period will come and go. This will be over with. And these people will be made publicly to look like the. fools that we know they are. And he, you know, he wasn't like, he's politically savvy, but he understood he just wanted a quick way out. Like, he didn't want to do any of that. He thought

there was some way that you can just like apologize or make the problem go away. So basically, I mean, he wanted me to apologize to him. And I said, well, David, if you want me to say something, fine. I'll say something. I'll wait till the end of the meeting when, when they're all through. say something. So you can link the November 7th meeting in there. Have you watched that by chance? I have not. No. Okay. So basically I just stood my ground and I said, first off, I made it know, look, your perceptions of me are false to begin with. So I'm just not going to apologize for perceptions that you have that are inaccurate. And I said, you know what? We've got rights in this country. The First Amendment gives us free speech, free assembly freedom to petition the government and if we have to make apologies for those rights then

we don't really have them at all and obviously they they didn't like that i wasn't apologizing so they they acted like the petulant children that they are so we adjourned after that meeting and i walked out the door the back door uh because actually we had executive session so i took the back door to to walk upstairs uh and the mayor following me and he got right up in my face and he said uh do you mind if i curse on your show oh i don't care okay he said i can't fucking believe you did that and i hope they do recall you and i'm gonna find somebody to run against you and i'll fund them and i'm like are you fucking serious i'm really disappointed you can't see these people for what they are and so him and i walked up

and we walked into the executive session room and we just started yelling at each other. Like, you know, and that's when a couple months later when NBC came and interviewed them. And my next question was, are you still involved in those groups? And he said, I don't have to answer that. What really happened was he was just yelling the whole time. And then he started asking me all these stupid questions. And I told him, are, I think he asked like, so are you still involved in these groups? And I basically, at that point, I was just sick and tired of going back and forth with him. And I said, David, I'm not fucking answering that. And I walked up the door. And that's kind of what happened. So he tries to censor me two weeks later for not properly

apologizing for going to Charlottesville. And the way he did this was very, very snake-like. So the city, the agendas for meetings, because we have meetings on Tuesdays. So agenda, which have to be publicly posted, which is, you know, in today's world, it's online, are posted Friday evenings around 4.30. Now, if there's anything that needs to be added to the meeting or taken away from a meeting, then the city staff will make those adjustments on Monday, and they'll repost the final edition Monday evening at 5 o'clock. Well, David, David Mason, and he knew that he was going to censor me, but he waited until the Monday deadline

to have that added to the agenda. So basically, I had the least amount of time possible to prepare. I could have had an entire, you know, three days, an entire weekend to prepare. But instead, you know, he gives me, less than 24 hours to prepare a defense for myself. but I was able to successfully navigate that position and table the center. But unfortunately, those people had collected the signatures they needed.

So what exactly does it take in Enid to be recalled? So you have to be in office six months, and it takes a signature petition ballot, which basically means they have to collect signatures on a petition. the petition has to have a general reason for the recall, which the city charter basically permits you can be recalled for anything. I mean, you could literally be recalled for wearing a blue tie instead of a yellow tie. But you have to have 30% of the vote total in signature petitions. So over 800 people voted in February of 23, which was actually the highest turnout in 10 years for a commissioner election across the city and 30% of that is roughly 240 now come to find out before

1995 these commissioner seats used to be somewhat like the mayor in that they were at large seats and they were voted on citywide but then in 95 the voters being a change they voted to change the order to draw the city up into districts and then you have representative voting. But the city commission never changed the recall standards. So when 8,000 people would vote in a commissioner election, well, 30% of that is 2,400. But when only 800 people show up to vote, then 30% is only 240 people. And it's really not difficult to get 240 people. to sign a signature petition, frankly, for anything.

I mean, I could, I mean, especially with American being as polarized as they are today. So, and what the really egregious thing is, is that this signature petition, the exact number they needed was 243. And I looked into how many registered voters were in my ward. And compared that number to 243, it was 5%.

Like 5% of registered voters invalidated an election. Like the left, that's the thing with the left. They're so good at taking advantage of every possible loophole that they can find. But I do want to stress to your audience that the people who, the social justice people who recalled me in their petition itself, in their general reason, they stated that all of these, these allegations let's just say that my docs the stuff from my past that information only came to light after the election which if you guys remember I just said no it came out before so they intentionally deceived voters they intentionally lied to them they created this narrative that somehow I pulled a fast one over the voters um but I mean that's just the left for you I mean they'll They'll just lie about anything.

And they can be very, I think a lot of people, a lot of our guests can be surprised in just how brazenly they lie. I mean, they say all of this, he pulled a fast one on this. The people need to redo this. No, the people were informed. No, they weren't. Here's a copy of the local paper dated January 8th, a couple weeks before the election. It didn't come out before then.

Like, they will just brasantly lie. And I think, I don't know how, I'd like to get your opinion on this piece. Like, how often do you see people just refuse to think that people still thinking that the left can be compromised with? Because for me, what ended that whole fantasy was the Kyle Rittenhouse incident. I mean, the most justified use of self-defense ever caught on multiple camera angles. you could sit a liberal down, hog tie him to a chair, make him watch every single video, and they'll just be like, they'll see it as something else. Like liberals truly to this day believe like Kyle Rittenhouse just like open fire

on a peacefully marching silent crowd or something. So I don't know, what's your perspective on that? Do you see like, I suppose mainstream people like still thinking that they can compromise with leftists? It's impossible. It's just a complete impossibility. We're constantly, the future is just going to be a cold civil war until, you know, possibly a hot one happens. Two people cannot come to a meeting of the minds when their basis for reality and their basis for truth are complete opposites. Yeah. You're not going to compromise with that person. You're not going to find common ground. And the person who does, especially, I will say this to right-wingers, if you think, if you think you've come to a meeting of the minds with somebody on the left, they've just set you up to destroy you. Yeah. You've just put your guard down and they're going to destroy you.

They're going to eat you up. There is no talking to these people. There's no more conversations to be had. It's just where do we go from here and how do we solve this problem? Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's something that the mayor obviously does not understand. I mean, he thought, you know, these people could be bargained with. And I tried to explain to him, listen, David, sort of me quitting, there's nothing that's going to make him happy. But anyway, so they went out with a petition that was a lie.

They took advantage of very low thresholds that are required for a recall election. Now, despite all that, we get to December 5th. We have a meeting. And per the city charter, like once their signature petition has been verified by the city clerk, the city commission then has to vote to set a date for a new election. And the election itself is never, should he be removed yes or no. It's basically it invalidates the previous election and myself as the incumbent, I'm a default candidate on the ballot and then there's another like three day filing period and anybody wants to file

who's eligible can file and then they'll be on the ballot too so we get to December 5th and what the city charter says the letter of what it says says that for for recall elections the city council must upset an election date that's no sooner than 30 days but no later than than 40. Now state law makes that incompatible because state law says in order for municipalities to have elections, they have to have resolutions either 60 days before a scheduled election or 75 days if it's also a federal election. So you can't do it in that quick of a time period. A lot of that is simply to give the county election board the the time to prepare the logistics. for an election.

So we had to set an election date, but the spirit of what the city charter says could still have been followed, and this is per the city attorney, she had told me that even though the letter of the law, this can't be followed, the spirit of what it says can't. And the spirit of what it says basically says, you should do a recall election as soon as possible. And the reason for that is that recalls by their nature are going to be disruptive to the flow of government, and they are going to cause controversy to arise within the community. So therefore, they should not be extended out. They should basically be held with as soon as possible and be done with.

So December 5th, we have three options. We have February 13th. We have March 5th, which was also Super Tuesday in Oklahoma. and we have April 2nd. Now, with February and March, the significance of that was that the filing period would have been December 18th through the 20th. Now, with an April election, the filing period was moved all the way to January 29 through the 31st. And so I saw no reason to extend this out, obviously, because I knew these people didn't have any candidate. So I figured, you know what, let's just set this thing for February.

That's as soon as possible date or March. You know, just because March is going to be Super Tuesday, it's obviously going to be more Republicans out to vote. So I'll have March on as an option. But the main reason I wanted February, not only to get it over with, or March, for that matter, was that that filing period was, would have started 12 days later. Now, I think if you're going to recall somebody, the onus of providing an alternative should be on you.

In 2020, there was a commissioner here in this community that got recalled by a group of conservative citizens. That was the conservatives that were outraged about, you know, mass mandates and lockdowns. When they recalled that guy, they had a candidate. They provided that alternative to the community. These people who recalled me, they didn't. I don't I seriously don't know what they they really expected I don't know what because had we had a mayor with a spine you know with an ounce of leadership they would have been out of luck completely but unfortunately they got a worthless you know coward of mayor that that's I should watch what to say about him. But we get to December 5th and the mayor had convinced all the other commissioners to support an April election. So that's what happened.

And that finally period got moved all the way to the last three days of January. And that was, I knew because that mayor needed more time to find somebody. Because he told me on November 7th that he was going to recruit a candidate. And he made good on his word. So he needed more time. And that's essentially what screwed me over. Because that is what gave the media so much time to mobilize and create the speeding frenzy. That's what gave NBC the time to come down here, PBS, CNN, the AP, you name it.

Why don't we run back to November a little bit and talk about what happened? You had mentioned the November 7th meeting. Why don't you talk about what happened that week? because, yeah, it seems like you were targeted for something. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, my break lines were cut. So that Friday, I had a lot of projects happening in my garage. I was painting and moving stuff in and out of the house, you know, as you do when you paint,

you just clean out a room, you know, just to make it easier. So that's what I was doing. So my truck was left in my driveway. And so these people were in my neighborhood out collecting signatures. I found out later because they would also leave like stickers on people's doors. Hey, sorry, we missed you. Would you please email us and come sign our petition to help us get this genocidal maniac or I don't know what this. I think it just said white nationalist or something like that.

But they were in my neighborhood and they had access to the voter rolls, which showed my address. And so the next morning, I get up and I go to a church group meeting that I have on Saturdays. And I come home and then I go to the Veterans Day parade because this was, I believe, it actually was November 11th that Saturday. I parked behind a school building, so there's cameras there. and then the parade's over. I think at one point I came back to put up a coat in my truck because it turned out to be a warm day and I didn't need the coat.

Go back to the parade. The parade's over. Come back, I drive to a gas station, then I go to this other guy's house to meet him. And as I was pulling up into his driveway, I pressed on my break and I felt like, man, I really haven't to push this all the way to the floorboard. What's going on here?

So I didn't think much of that at the time went in with the guy met with him for a while Then I went home then I went to my parents house Got some break fluid and filled it up had dinner with them came home when I get home. I noticed this is like Like all that break fluid is just like dripping like just I shouldn't say dripping. It's just like flowing out the out of the line Something okay this isn't good So I go to Walmart just to buy big gallon of like break fluid. Sunday morning, get up, I go to church, come home.

I call this mechanic. I know. He opens the shop. So I go there. He takes the tire off and he's like, huh, that doesn't look good. He's like, what do you mean? They said, well, I think somebody messed with you. Let me.

let me take this thing apart. So he takes it apart and he finds that the brake line itself and for the listeners who aren't like gearheads. And I'm not a gearhead either. So if there are gearheads, they're going to be like this guy is no idea what he's talking about. But if you can imagine like, I don't know if it's copper or something, but there's like an inner hose

that's like copper and then the outer code. tube is like rubber. And basically they vertically split the line there, and it just punctured the copper in there, which basically allowed fluid just to drip. And what my mechanic told me is that what this does is basically, you know, had they just like sniffed it, it would have failed like the first time you used your brakes. But what this does, this is really malicious because this basically allows you to drive the vehicle and use your brakes, and it's only until you've used your brakes enough,

or to build up pressure, I guess, or if you, like, really slam on your brakes, then it, like, fails. And especially because it was the, it was the, it was a passenger side that they cut, and they said, basically, that's going to drag your driver's side, like, into oncoming traffic, like, if you had to, like, slam on your brakes. So it's a really malicious act is what they did. So I took the piece to the local police department. I gave them some names of people that I thought would probably be, you know, capable of doing that and told them. So my truck was parked outside my home from Friday evening and Saturday morning.

And then I drove it to a school to watch the parade. And this is when my truck was there. Unfortunately, I didn't have surveillance cameras at my house. big mistake on my part admittedly but they pulled the surveillance cameras from the school building didn't show anything which i didn't think it would because it's kind of unlikely that anybody would have followed me um from my house uh because i went from my house basically to that school building but the police just because the lack of evidence i mean i had an officer tell me yeah it was definitely cut but you know without any more evidence there's just nothing

for us to go off on. So we kind of left at that, but, you know, these left is like, of course, they just say, well, he did it himself just to get, like, friendly media coverage. And I'm just thinking, why don't you, why don't you for you every single email I've made from my government email? You can see I, the only people I emailed about this breakline was the local paper and one of the TV stations in Oklahoma City. Like, if I was trying to

promote this, like, I would have emailed everybody under the sun. I would have emailed every single Oklahoma City and Tulsa TV station. Probably would have emailed Fox News, you know, a whole bunch of them. But, yeah, that's unfortunately

what happened to me. That really should answer your question about whether these people can be reasoned with. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we're coming up on an hour here. If there's anything else you think's pertinent that people should know, please, go ahead. Well, so, yeah, basically, look, I mean, the RECO, NBC did their hit piece on me in March.

You know, I had to, from December 5th, basically, I wait. I kind of had a feeling. I had a short list of potential people that I thought that made. would recruit and my eventual opponent turned out to be one of those people. But I essentially had the campaign for four months and as opposed to two the first time around, or not even two months really, but I essentially had the campaign against five different campaigns. My opponents, the social justice leftist that recalled me because they were also going door to door. the media at every single level, local, state, and national, the Chamber of Commerce,

who this Saturday before the... And I should say the Chamber of Commerce types, not the actual official Chamber of Commerce, but, you know, like prominent, you know, wealthy people here, the who's who, you know, who just like they don't care if they would sell out everybody in this community if it made them $10 richer. But the Saturday before the paper, or the Saturday before the election, these people took out a full-page ad in the local paper, a full-page ad comparing me to my opponent.

And everything about me was just a lie that this priest, fake priest, had, like, cooked up that he's going to cost us our military base, and he's going to, he's costing us business opportunities here. Just all complete lies, no basis in reality whatsoever. A full page ad paid them enough to print 4,000 copies, which I don't think the local paper, I'd be shocked if they print 1,000 copies a day. They're doing so poorly that they don't even print Sunday and Monday papers anymore, or else it probably would have gone in Sunday's paper instead of Saturday.

But they paid them enough to print 4,000 copies and deliver them to just about every registered voter in my ward. And then, of course, the last campaign I thought was the mayors. Now, I really had a lot of momentum going into this up until that NBC piece. That, you know, I hate to admit it, but that certainly was a game changer. That I started noticing a lot of my signs weren't in people's yards anymore. I'd go talk to these people. And, you know, they were kind of fearful that one of these freaks would come like, like, you know spray paint of swastika on their car or their garage door or something

and i told him well i understand that you know here's what happened to me i mean it it's voter intimidation is what it is what i think what that does is that puts enough fear in their minds or perhaps their neighbor's mind that they they unfortunately start to believe some of the lies that oh maybe this is going to cost us our our air force base i mean just It puts fear in people, basically. So the election day came. I campaigned until the last minute. I drove at six,

polls closed at 7 p.m. at 6.30. I was doing, you know, basically about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, I started doing get out to vote stuff. 6.30, I pull up in this couple's house. Knock on the door, ask them if they had voted, they had forgotten to.

Their teenage son was borrowing their car and their other car was in the shop or something. So I drove them to the polls. And I got them in the door at like 645 and they were the last two people that voted for me. I mean, I campaigned until the very end. But unfortunately, it was a little bit too much to overcome. I lost by 260 votes.

But honestly, I can live with that because that tells me I did put everything I possibly could have into it. But I don't feel rejected. I don't feel disappointed at all because here's kind of the silver lining. It took all this effort to get me out of office a tremendous amount of money. I mean, that newspaper ad probably cost $25,000, maybe more. I mean, just a tremendous amount of money was spent to get me at. office compared to the $7,000 that I raised. $7,000. That's it. That's all I had to work with.

And it was the highest turnout in a commissioner race at least since 2011. Now, I talked to a guy who would know, and he said, you know what? That's probably the highest turnout in a commissioner race in probably 20, maybe 30 years. I mean, a lot of these local elections in Enid or a by 15 votes and there's a total of 104 people that show up to vote especially in some on in parts of the city that don't have great voter turnout even every fourth November but there was the highest turnout in decades and I got 40% and I've I gained about 140 more votes the second time around and I already pulled the numbers as to who showed up and voted and compared that

I pulled those numbers by Republican, Democrat, Independent. And I figured that there was probably about 12% independent turnout and 40% Democrat turnout, of which I probably got 3% because I didn't campaign to Democrats or Independence at all. Like I door knocked, I sent mailers. I campaigned to Republicans because I knew I needed Republicans to show up. Republicans, unfortunately, showed up only about a third. Only about a third. But when you have 40% Democrat turnout,

and 40% means that's a bigger chunk, that's a significant chunk of, yeah, a smaller number, but it means 40% are turnout. I would have needed something that, like, even Donald, I would have needed like 90% of Republicans to show up. And like even Donald Trump doesn't even get that, that he's not going to get that 90% Republican turnout in November. But I pulled the numbers and compared, and I have every reason to believe I won about 57% of the Republican vote. So my message, I mean, I basically, I ran on a basic, you know, hey, let's fix the roads here.

Let's bring in some industry. Let's keep the young people here. that was the first message. That was the second message. And then I had to, the second time around, obviously, I had to defend Charlottesville. I had to defend what we did in Identity Europa. You know, we had a candidate for him. And I basically told them, look, the things that we did in Identity Europa are the things that Donald Trump won in 2016.

It was securing this country's border, reform and legal immigration, pushing back on anti-white hatred. that is a message that resonated with voters, with Republican voters, and I want 57%. So, you know, I'm not done here at all. I can walk out of here holding my head held high. Well, you know, most Republicans would rather have their grandkids trans than be called a racist. That's unfortunate. I don't know if that's necessarily true, but it's, it's,

It's, I don't know if it's most, but unfortunately, unfortunately, 43% of Republicans sided with the Democrats on this one. And that, that was enough to, uh, to cost me. Had I, I think number crunching, had I gotten without any additional turnout in non-Republicans, I think I would have, uh, needed 71% exactly to have won the election. But it's, I, I think what happened here, was just they got through so many Republicans by telling economic by putting economic extortion pressure on them he's going to cost us our military base he's going to cost his business opportunities i mean it was a straight up like chamber commerce types and it is unfortunate that you know 43% of Republicans decided to make, you know, the fake priest and the Mohawk lady

the happiest that night. But yeah, that's unfortunate. I guess I would just disagree. I don't think it's most feet. I think you can be a bit more optimistic. The boomers have really got to go. I mean, they'd rather lose most of their liberty than lose their Social Security at this point. I mean, it's all economics to so many people.

if the line's not going up, they just think that everything, everything's falling apart. And, you know, the threat of losing a, what do you have? You have a military base there? Yeah, it's an Air Force base. And it's a very significant base.

Like it's a training base. It's where if you're an Air Force officer, once you become an officer in the Air Force and you're going to be a pilot, that you're sent here to learn how to fly. I mean, they don't just up and closed bases for willy-nilly reasons. I mean, you know, there's so much political gridlock

in Congress right now about our military officers aren't even being promoted. But it's just, it's one of those things that people fear, like, the economic pressure being put on them. And, yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate, but, the only way to counteract that would have been to have, frankly, more money and more volunteers. But at the end of the day, you know, I'm not proud of what I accomplished.

And, you know, you asked me if I'd go to Charlottesville again? Probably not. But would I do this again, knowing it would be the same results? Yeah, I would. Well, that's good. That's good to hear. Yeah. I mean, there is a white pill in all of this is the fact that there were a lot of people who,

there were a lot of people who were willing to vote with you to, you know, at the threat of being called, you know, or being perceived as a white, quote unquote, white supremacist. Yeah. I guess the lesson here is a lesson I've been trying to teach for a couple of years is that a small, well-funded, well-organized group can really, make things happen, even against all odds in a, what, you know, what you deem as a, a conservative city, a conservative area, a small well-funded group that isn't conservative or even basically human made things happen. And there's something that we just have to, you know, we have to learn

how to organize like that and, you know, and have the kind of will that they do. Yeah, and make no mistake on that, Pete. I mean, this group had funding. They had funding. They had help from the Oklahoma Democrat Party. I didn't have any help from the Oklahoma Republican Party, none whatsoever. They had help from Oklahoma Progress Now, which is kind of one of these left-wing NGOs. I mean, I'm pretty sure Facebook closed off, like, political ads.

I didn't mention, but also the last, the weekend before the election, like, this leftling NGO group was basically running attack ads on me, like nonstop on Facebook. Like, every time I would get on Facebook, like, there would be this hit piece ad about me. And I would report it, but it'd be like instantly, oh, no, it's okay. So, yeah, again, Pete, like, nobody should feel, you know, this wasn't some popular. rejection of even the things that I was perceived to be. I mean, basically, the left

just out, they spent a ton of money. And I don't think anybody should be, you know, pessimistic or blackfield or anything like that about what happened to me. If anything is more reason for guys to get out there and run for public office whether their docs or not. Now, I would

recommend, look, if you're, I will say this, like, I probably was not I didn't research like the recall process itself up front so I would say if your docs

like first thing you should do like if you're going to run for office you should probably check like can you be recalled okay what's the requirements for being recalled maybe get somebody change those before you run for office I don't know

but you know I'll probably run again for something someday It probably won't be for this. It'll probably be for something that actually pays me to get, you know, abused by the public in some way. Because it wasn't just all being abused by leftists. There were plenty of people called me about, you know, mundane things, just being upset about. So I enjoyed it. But I also enjoyed talking to you, Pete.

And thank you for giving me this opportunity. Well, I appreciate it, Chad. Thank you very much. And yeah, go luck and everything you're doing. You're welcome. Hey, I would like to come back sometime if I have. Last thing, I don't have anything to plug, but I am talking with attorneys to see if I have any case to sue the city for deliberately ignoring their own charter. If I do, I've obviously got a fundraise.

So I would like if you have it back, I would appreciate the opportunity to come back and talk about other things. and promote it. That'd be great, especially if it did look like it was something that you could pull off. That'd be great. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right, thanks, Jeff. All right.

Thank you, Pete.