The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1050: The Foreign Policy of Adolf Hitler - Part 2 - w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanena show, back from the road. It's Thomas 777. How are you doing, Thomas? I went well, man. Yeah, it was a very good trip. And West Virginia is a fascinating place. And it's a really, it's just really interesting part of the country, man. And it's still, America's so big, there's still, like, a lot of,

there's still a lot of differences between places, you know, on the ground, like, at the local level. And that, that was no exception. Like, I went to this guy, there's this guy who's like an antique, like, junk shot. It literally looked just like he literally just looked like some hoarder like sitting in a garage or the things like what he was. He was like selling the shitty hordes. And there was like fascinating stuff there. So which was like not remotely politically correct. There's what he when you get to the south when you get to the south you can find a lot of places like that.

Well, if I was my buddy Damon who's from a shytown, he, uh, he found this, uh, he found this, uh, you found this menu from a Pickingini's restaurants. It's like a, it was on like a, you know, like it was like a menu that's like also like a mask. You can hold the front of your face, like a very plainly incorrect, a fiction of, I guess a picketing. And then like we look at the back and it was a, it was from a freaking location that was on like West Madison in Chicago,

like back in the day. I'm like, wow, it's wild. But, yeah, all that kind of stuff that people, I guess I got stuff that makes like Redditors like soil their panties with like outrage and shock. something like whoa just whoa this used to exist like uh but that um i mean you find some pretty weird shit like here at all you know in chicago like that dDR helmet it's like an original like volks poli um like m56 helmet i totally i found this like random antique shop and there's this old

lady's like oh that's my husband's stuff just give me like 30 dollars for it so like yeah bet but uh but i mean you don't um like it sounds like weird an entirely different way and um But we went to this really good bar-a-key place. Like, my guts weren't agreeing with me. It's got a Pepsi. But it was just, it was literally like these two trailers. And like this guy,

this like boss hog-looking guy, like working a grill. And like, and then, yeah, like a couple of like picnic tables. It's like an eating area. And like, it's like this is fucking nuts. You know, like cash only, of course. So, yeah. Like Rustic America lives on,

at least in West Virginia. So that's good to see, man. I spend so much time in, like, big cities. You know, I, uh, and, um, and being like in places, you know, like Baltimore suburbs, like D.C. or it's like, damn, man, like, has everything been like homogenized into, into a big, like, Walmart? So it's good to see that shit, man. So yeah, it was good.

Yeah, growing up in the city, um, and now living where I live, it's when I go to the city now that I'm like, oh, what the hell's going on here? I don't really, uh, I want to go back to the country. Yeah, no, the country is dope, but I'm a city slicker, so I can't permanently leave. I like, I, um, I can only survive, like, in this ecology or something. Like, I don't know, like, too much wholesomeness and clean air. It might, like, kill me. All right, man, part two.

Yeah, I, something I think I need to emphasize. And like I said, like, the reason I discussed primarily the Sims biography of Hill, Hitler from 2017 last time. When I say that Roosevelt was Hitler's primary, was Hitler's mortal enemy. People misunderstand what I'm saying. That's not, you know, people who kind of accept mainstream narratives. Say, like, oh, yeah, you know, Hitler was anti-American.

No, no, no, no, no, it's not what I'm saying. And it's not, um, Hitler didn't cobb it. I mean, Hitler definitely was practicing like a Velt's politic and a, like, Gross Rompheque. But this, I mean, this idea like, oh, Hitler had Americanist sites on grounds of some ambition for, you know, like world domination. That's ridiculous, too.

I mean, for no other reason, I mean, it's ridiculous conceptually, but Germany, Germany's a country that's smaller than Wyoming. Okay, I mean, it's just not. And finally, you know, like I said, in one of our earlier series, I cited Hannah Arendt, who's an interesting thinker for a few reasons. But one of, in her book, The Origin of Subtitarianism, which is a stupid title, because that sounds like just some kind of boilerplate, you know, kind of like dummy academia type work product of the kind that came out of the era.

But it's actually a really insightful book. And, you know, she was an accolite of Heidegger. And may have been like a romantic partner his, but, you know, she's on making the point that, like, Hitler wasn't a nationalist and that, like, German nationalism was dead. You know, and you don't understand national socialism. I mean, you don't understand the move Siler was making, if you don't understand that he was thinking in terms of like the superpower age. You know, and to survive, Europe had to be able to capture, you know, the land and resources that it needed in order to, in order to mobilize into a superpower. You know, like the future belonged to the United States and the Soviet Union.

and the respective ideologies unless Europe could find a way to survive. And also, you know, Roosevelt was, um, Roosevelt viewed Hitler as his adversary. You know, the New Deal regime, it was a revolutionary regime in all kinds of ways in terms of its values and underlying philosophies. But at base also the framework for global. globalism, at least conceptually, was being laid by the ideologies of the day. And the New Deal was no exception. And if for nor the reason, you know, like we haven't really taught about this here. And it's outside the scope.

But like the Great Depression, I don't think it's mysterious. I mean, like I've said before, like Murray Rothbard's book on it, I think is the best treatment. And Joseph Schumpeter, his is a, his magnum opus business cycles, was the huge. undertaking, it's like two volumes, it's incredibly complicated, but that kind of explains over time how such things can occur at scale.

But I mean, it was basically a cash drought and it owed the absence of an integrated banking structure, okay? I don't want to get a debate about like whether banking is evil or not. Like, the guys have like banking on their brain or like cockroaches. Like they'll infest like a discussion and then they won't shut the fuck up because they think bankers pissing their

cornflakes. I don't want to talk about that. What's inarguable, though, is that however you fall on the issue of, you know, fiat currency in that entire kind of category of economics, you know, like finance economics and monetary economics, it was clear that, you know, not just for, not just only to, you know, conceptual and political reasons, but for structural reasons, you know, like globalism was was going to take shape somehow. So you were going to become a superpower or die.

And, you know, Roosevelt obviously, owing to an affinity for the Soviet Union, but also viewing Europe as basically America's primary adversary. I mean, that's perverse for a lot of reasons. But within the kind of internal logic of like the New Deal, ideology. I mean, it makes sense. All right. I'm going to start. I want to talk a little bit about Hitler's

December 11th speech to the Reichstag. I've mentioned that before. It's tremendously important. Okay. For a long time, we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Roosevelt's radio address in 1938, which was a direct challenge to Hitler. And then Hitler surprised

everybody. Hitler directly responded to Roosevelt, point by point. And the consensus was that he utterly destroyed him and made him up like a fool. And the thing about Hitler was that Hitler wasn't a normal politician. He wrote

all his own speeches. He didn't have speech writers. Despite the fact that he kind of founded the modern political campaign, like Hitler wasn't going around, taking public opinion polls and like worrying about optics. You know, he put a premium on presentation

and Elon and a certain aesthetic that would obviously animate people and kind of stir their passions but in terms of the content of what he'd say he was basically like he was behaving like some kind of evangelical preacher almost

you know everything came back to like the European cause I'm like an intellectual solution and these are our ambitions you know this is what we have to do you know this is this can't be compromised you know these are the core principles you know like it was never oh I'm talking I'm talking you know the German labor front you know so I'm gonna pretend to be a worker or like you know now I'm talking to the I'm talking to you know men who represent the textiles industry so I'm gonna pretend you know that they're gonna get subsidies if they back me and you know put money in the covers like shit like didn't even figure into the equation okay Roosevelt I think thought Hitler was was a politician I don't think I don't think Roosevelt had a real interest in the rest of the world you know like he was worldly in the way that like it kind of the the old old like Brahmin cast here was, but he

you know, it's like Hitler was a polymath. Until his, until Hitler's, I'd say before 942, you know, when Hitler really started deteriorating in terms of his health and everything. Hitler didn't do anything all day but consumed data. You know, like Otto Gunch famously

relayed, he's like, you know, during okayW briefings, like somebody would misstate the caliber of like an artillery piece or like the specs of like an armored vehicle and Hitler would correct him. And then like somebody would go check, you know, in the, in, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, everything Roosevelt said publicly, Hitler, he was, he was, uh, so, I mean, Hitler, he had a weird rep for being, you know,

Union was doing, you know, he was studying it. You know, he was, that's all he did. You know, so this idea that Roosevelt could kind of like grandstand and and issue this kind of like dummy polemic, you know,

about, you know, Hitler being a threat to world peace. I'm thinking that, like, that would just be allowed to stand. Like, that's laughable. Pist, did you know? Those Black Friday deals everyone's talking about? They're right here at Beacon's South Quarter. That designer's sofa you've been wanting?

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first of all that the Reichstag speech it was never translated in English in full until the 1980s sometime like the New York Times ran a fake translation like full of Hitler saying crazy things like about he wanted to conquer the world and and full of this kind of like a vitrole against Jews and stuff that's not what was said and um I came across the the full like accurate translation and um institute for historical review stuff sometime in the 90s But, you know, it's something, it's not, I mean, the speech was, it was significant for a few reasons. First of all, because Hitler announced that we were forming at war at the United States. This is my declaration of war. And despite what people claim, you know, like I said before, America was waging war on the Third Reich for years. And then three months previously, the U.S. Naval commanded declared that they were going to fire on any German flagship they encountered.

and then North Atlantic. And then it was also declared that America's, the contiguous zone to America's territorial waters was considered to be our essential defensive concord stretch from, stretch all the way to

Greenland. And, and, so I mean, it was just basically, like America said, like anything in the Atlantic Ocean with a German flag, we're going to kill. Okay. You don't get to turn around and then say, like, oh, the Germans are making war on us. but um so there was that and also it's interesting because you know Hitler fought American infantry you know and like I said in the Sims book he talked about how

like the Americans are better than us in key ways yeah he wasn't some like dummy chauvinist at all and he said um you know he he was big into Americana he loved King Kong he loved Coca-Cola he read Western books all the time like both history as well as like cults when he was a kid. I mean, he knew America and like what it was about. You know, um, so this idea that he, he just had some kind of like haughty disdain or that he was like some, some hicc from the sticks who didn't understand power politics of scale is ridiculous. But it's also, too, you know, the, Wilson's intervention is what really changed the war. And it wasn't just, I mean, they changed the outcome of the war. You know, so I mean, any, any American

president was going to loom large in the mind of, you know, a guy he'd served as a, as a frontline lonsor, even if he wasn't, you know, politically engaged, you know, let alone the man who's, you know, entire life is politics. So there's a couple key, um, there's a couple, the speech of the Reich day, again, it was Thursday, it was over Thursday afternoon, December 11th, 1941, four days after the Japanese assault in Pearl Harbor, obviously. It was an 88-minute speech, which for Hitler, was long. It, uh,

he'd written in himself as he wrote everything himself. Um, he explicated he explicated why the state of, the status of forces in, on the Ostfront. You know, which by then,

um, um, um, the assault on Moscow was in the process of failing. So I mean, a crisis was looming. Um, so Hitler emphasized, you know, the,

the victories to that point, I mean, which were massive, you know, but mainly he talks about America. You know, like he doesn't, he doesn't mention Stalin at all. He talks about the Soviet Union and how the Soviets, the Soviets acted in bad faith. He's like, we signed the non-aggression pact because, you know, we had no illusions that the Bolsheviks were our mortal enemies. But he said, we believe that they wanted peace, at least for the time being. He says that, when it became clear to me, he said it became clear to me that their intentions were, were, were hostile when they, um, when they immediately opened up, uh, diplomatic channels with the coup in Yugoslavia, 1941, which, uh, US-Lavia was key to Germany's ability to deploy in depth,

obviously. And the coup was, uh, it was, for all practical purposes, it was a Chetnik coup, okay? And Hitler said subsequently, you know, the Red Army is deployed offensively on our frontier. He said only a fool wouldn't realize the implications of, you know, 20,000 tanks and, you know, dozens of divisions, you know, a raid on the eastern frontier. I mean, so he said that war was forced on us, but, you know, there's an inevitability to this paradigm anyway. he talks about Churchill as being kind of just like a pathetic cipher of the focus, which he was. But the rest of it, he talks about Roosevelt and he talks about America. You know, that's what the bulk of the speech is dedicated to do. You know, like, while, again, German forces are actively engaged at the gates of Moscow

and across, you know, a 2,000-mile front, you know, literally the greatest battle in human history. and Hitler's talking about Roosevelt in America. You know, not, and that, that's apropos. You know, he, um, he basically outlined, he, well, first he starts, I was saying, like, you know, look, he was like, we made repeated peace over chores to London, um, one of the last of which, um, actually divided the war cabinet and almost,

cost the Churchill and government its mandate. Quoting Hillary says, already in 1940, it became increasingly clear from month and month that the plans of the men and the Kremlin were aimed at the domination and the destruction of all of Europe. I already told the nation that built of a Soviet-Russian military power in the east. During a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia.

That's true. Continuing, only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world historical dimensions is being carried out. This is not in order to protect something that was being threatened, but rather only to attack that would seem incapable of defense. Again, because people in this country to this day have this idea of Germany as being this kind of, almost this kind of,

I think they imagined almost like the Soviet Union is presented in Rocky 4 or something. But again, Germany was this, it's a country smaller than Wyoming. you know um and for context too and hiller gets into some of this i'm not going to read a word for work because it would be pedantic but you know the issue of chico slovakia as we got into in one of our earlier series chicoslovakia is the most artificial of states bennis literally had no mandate to rule Roosevelt and his press corps presented it when

very rapidly the bulk of a Czechoslovak territory came under German dominion as some sort of like threatening ledgered main you know leading like the kind of

bullying occupation of a sovereign country that's not remotely what happened her context due Prague is as the girl flies 200 miles from Berlin I mean think about that I think it was I think it might have been

Hess. He said the Czechoslovak state is a contrivance and it literally is like a knife like pointed at the heart of Germany, which is true. It came into existence because the French needed some sort of ally in the east in order to

stage you know assault operations from and in the era of military aviation which was then burgeoning at pace like the implications were obvious but as it may

like as we discussed the Sudaten land was seated to the Reich which was overwhelmingly German after that Father Tiso and the Slovaks seceded from the Czechos

Slovakia and Union, I mean, at that point, it was a foregone conclusion. Like what, I mean, that's like saying, that's like saying, like, East Germany should have, like, it was a tragedy that East Germany ceased to exist. I mean, like, I, what, um, I still at this day, I don't understand, like, what the proposed alternative was, should the, should the British have assaulted Czechoslovakia to force it to exist? Like, I don't, that's not, that's not how political realities work. Did you know those Black Friday deals everyone's talking about? They're right here at Beacon South Quarter.

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But moving on, Hiller continues... by saying he essentially says what Suburov echoed later, that the rapid conclusion of the war in the West, you know, May to June 1940, meant that, that changed things in terms of, you know,

Moscow's strategic perspective. They couldn't count on, they counted on the right, either exhausting its offensive capabilities rapidly and not being able to reconstitute, you know, for months, if not years, or some sort of quagmire stalemate

setting in, you know, whereby the only where by Germany had nothing to deploy in depth in the east other than maybe like a skeleton crew of conscripts, which would make for, you know, easy pickings. The, you know,

thus Suvarov's icebreaker descriptor, you know, let the German Reich break the proverbial ice of what remains of capitalist power in the continent and then the Red Army

will assault and take it all and that's definitely reach the Atlantic. Most significant to me are some of what Hitler says about his worldview. I'm quoting Hitler now at about the midpoint he says, what is Europe? There is no geographical definition of our

continent, but only in ethnic national, the word he uses vocalish and cultural one. The frontier of this continent is not that rural mountains, but rather the line that divides the western outlook on life from that of the east. Now,

if you look at a map, and I don't know if people spend time with maps anymore, I mean, just looking at maps. Europe's an indefensible rump peninsula. You know, there's not a Sahara Desert or an Appalachian, and mountain range between Europe and the other. It's so amazing that Europe existed at all.

You know, really, and it's essentially start of natural resources. You know, Europe's very beautiful in terms of its fistas and things, but it's basically a wasteland. If you're talking about tertiary economic capital and things like that, okay? Um, so that point's well taken. You know, Europe's an idea. You know, Europe's not sub-Saharan Africa. Europe's not, you know, East Asia. Um, Europe's not North America. You know, like, Europe only exists as like it's dimensioned material in the several cultures that constitute it. Um, Hillary then proceeds to break down his view of, you know, kind of like European origins or like Aryan origins. Okay. Um, and it, um, and it, Again, as I said before, Aryan wasn't some scare word. That's, um, philologist. That was like what, that's the term they used. Okay. And it's not, it's been appropriated by some dummies, but as well as, you know, the, the usual suspects, you know, like commies, hysterical.

SPLC types, like other, other shitbags. But it's not, it's not, it's not an ideologically loaded word, you know, or it shouldn't be. And I find, I find Indo-European to be clunky, unless you're a linguist and you're simply talking about, you know, kind of the nuances of linguistic development. We're talking about an actual culture of people like Aryan is appropriate, okay? Hitler stated at one time Europe was confined to the Greek Isles, with a flame first burned that slowly but steadily enlightened humanity. And when these Greeks fought against the invasion of the Persian conquerors, they did not just defend their own small homeland, which was Greece, but also the concept

that is now Europe. And then the spirit of Europe shifted from Hellas to Rome. Roman thought and Roman statecraft combined with Greek spirit and Greek culture, an empire was created. The importance and creative power of which has never been matched, much less surpassed, even to this day. And when the Roman Legion defended Italy

in three terrible wars against the attack of Carter from Africa, and finally battled a victory, in this case as well, Rome fought not just for herself, but also for the Greco-Roman world that then encompassed Europe. The next invasion against the home soil of the new culture of humanity came from the white expanses of the east. A horrific storm of cultural was horrors from the center of Asia poured deep under the heart of the European continent,

burning, ravaging, and murdering, a true scourge of God. On the Catalonian fields, Roman and Germanic men fought together for the first time in a decisive battle of tremendous importance for a culture that had begun with the Greeks, passed under the Romans, and then encompassed the Germanic peoples. Europe had matured. The Occident arose from Hellas and Rome, and for many centuries as defense, the task not only the Romans, but above all of the German people. What we call Europe is the geographic territory of the Occasidens, enlightened

by Greek culture, inspired by the powerful heritage of the Roman Empire, its territory enlarged by German colonization, or was the German emperors fighting back invasions from the east, on the Strasch, or the Lechfeld plane, or others pushing back Africa from Spain or a period of many years. It was always

a struggle of developing Europe against a profoundly alien outside world. There's this heavy stuff for a consular, or a president or a prime minister, okay? I mean, I think that goes about saying. And it's not

it's not just, it's not, it's not, um, it's not just like hyperbole or or can polemic of the kind that they, you know, of, that was common to the nationalist era or whatever, it kind of

dismissive suggestion is is favored by court academics these days. And also what he's saying, what he said is inarguable, like all those things are true. You know, what, and then

we'll get to the meat of the, the kind of Roosevelt, the challenge contra Roosevelt in a minute, but he goes on to say specifically that, you know, we're now engaged in a war for our civilization against another terror from the east. And this is only, this is only possible owing to the, you know, the volunteers from Croatia, from Italy, from Spain, you know, from Norway,

from Denmark, from France. You know, this is a European war. There are no more Germans. There are no more Norwegians. There are no more Frenchmen. You know, this is the battle of the Occasant for its survival against the barbarian-Asiatic horde. And, you know, the Jewish capital cityology that's facilitating its attack on us, you know, exemplified by Mr. Roosevelt.

That's, and he concludes kind of this summation, I like the strategic situation by saying, you know, this is what happens on these battlefields is going to resonate for 5,000 years, you know, and Europe will not survive unless it's victorious. You know, and again, I mean, that's an arguable too. You know, you don't you don't have to be a Hitler partisan to accept that.

How anybody can contradict that reality anymore and you know kind of pair out there refrains that you know Hitler is the double and this kind of like life magazine perspective of

the condition of the oxidant you know circa 1941 I don't know how people can possibly think that way but I mean people people think all kinds of crazy things and now here's the meat of what of what I want to emphasize quote Hitler says

And now let me speak about another world One of those represented by a man who likes the chat nicely at the fireside while nations and their soldiers fight in the snow and ice above all the man who's primarily responsible for this war Speaking of Franklin, then what Roosevelt, obviously Hillary continues with regard to Germany's relationship with America The following should be said Germany is perhaps the only great power which is never a colony in either north or south

America, nor is it otherwise been politically active there, apart from the immigration of many millions of Germans with their skills, from which the American continent and the Middle States has only benefited. In the entire history of the development and existence of the United States, the German Reich has never been hostile or even politically unfriendly towards the United States. To the contrary, many Germans have given their lives to defend the USA. That is true. The German Reich has never participated in wars against the United States, except for the United States went to war against it in 1917. It did so for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by commission.

What he's talking about is the Nye Commission, which we covered in an earlier episode. I can't emphasize enough how much World War I was kind of viewed as like the Vietnam War of its day. It was viewed as a lie that duped the American people, you know, killed 100,000 young men in the prime of their life, who were then later abused, you know, by being denied their pension rights. Gerald Nye, who wasn't some like America Firster, he was a big progressive liberal. He chaired the, he convened the Nye Commission and basically, I mean, it basically exposed to J.P. Morgan when it realized that it had, you know, it had hedged adequately in its, in its loans to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the UK. You know, it essentially demanded, you know, action from the White House when we olded undue influence and get a war declaration. You know, like, people were outraged by when this

was coming out. You know, like, nobody viewed World War I as anything but a disaster and as a big lie. So, you know, and Hitler obviously, like, like, the view of a, and I was shouted down by this codery of a of a of, um, of old party men saying, you know, you're besmirching them, you know, you're, you're smirching the grave of, of, of, of President Wilson.

When he's doing no such thing, and honestly, like, even Hitler didn't talk about Wilson as being a bad man. Like, Wilson was cast as this kind of like naive guy. The 14 points actually was like the only kind of honorable piece. Um, uh, the situation that was presented, you know, that honored the rights of the combat and said in any real way. You know, it was Wilson who basically said that, like, you know, states have

an absolute right to, you know, to preserve the majority national culture, you know, and it was the French and the British delegation who basically laughed in his face and demanded vengeance, you know, like it was. So, I mean, I, not, and I wasn't, wasn't burning Wilson in Perugel effigy and honestly and Hitler never held out Wilson as an evil man like he basically looked at him as like a weak man and was pulled over by

um by high finance and and DuPont which was a which was a a huge arm in's concern among other things um you know they they

they made they manufactured uh they manufactured basically like um everything that allowed the AEF to fight. You know, like we talked about, like, this is a rare instance of, you know, financial concerns and economics basically, you know, being the, being the proximate cause of, of a war declaration, or, like, intervention at scale, you know, so it's not, like, Hitler wasn't

just saying crazy things. I mean, this was basically the majority opinion, you know, of, not just of, of Europeans and of Germans who, you know, obviously felt like uniquely agreed. But, I mean, in America, this is why, this is the way people looked at it. You know, I mean, it's, um, this wasn't, uh, the fact, uh, I mean, honestly, like, I think we, we talked about the new, when we were covering the New Dealers war in some of the Tom Fleming scholarship. I mean, had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack, I, I don't think Roselle could have gotten a war mandate, you know, and once, under our system, you know, when,

I mean, even today, even post-Watergate, when the executive has been gilded, you know, a, a wartime president is, for all practical purposes, you know, a lawn to himself. I mean, like, look at, I mean, look at, I mean, look at Bush 43. Like, I mean, he might have been like a goofy, ineffectual guy and whatever, but his administration wielded real power. Okay. And that only came, they only derived from the fact that he was a wartime president, you know. And no matter what, like all rhetoric kind of goes out the window of the opposition when, when so situated. Vietnam's a weird exception, but that's, it's too complicated to get into here as a tangent. But that's, I raised that because I'm sure people who aren't familiar with the history will just say, like, oh, Hitler's just maligning. You know, of course, he's going to say that, you know, World War I was based on a lie. That's not, that wasn't as like Hitler's tale. That was what everybody viewed it as. And frankly, that's what it was.

You know, what, um, why, why, why, why did America fight World War I? Because it just, it just really, really doesn't like, it really doesn't like monarchs and, like, democracy has to reign. Like, so, so we got to make sure that the British Empire can squeeze every last, every last bit of, um, reparations at Germany. I mean, obviously, I was his was bullshit. But, um, it's, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, And finally, interestingly, Hitler makes note of like the article two presidency, he says, America is a republic led by a president with wide-ranging powers of authority. Germany was once ruled by a monarchy with limited authority and then by democracy that lacked authority.

Today is a republic of wide-ranging authority between these two countries as an ocean. If anything, the differences between capitalist America and Bolshevik, Russia, if these have any meaning at all, must be more significant than those between the America led by a president and the Germany led by a fear. And that's important too because obviously, you know, the kind of the constant refrain, not just of Roosevelt's, Roosevelt and is loyalists, but, you know, administrations before and sense who want to malign people in countries they've identified as a ponies, they're talking about dictatorships. I mean, America is a presidential system. Like, again, I mean, there's, there's few, there's few countries in the Western. world or what was once the Western world that have a system

that orbits around the chief executive to the degree that America does. Okay. There is there is something of a weird irony to America going around saying, you know, Mr. Putin is a dictator. Like, you know, this country is a dictatorship. You know, it's like what? As opposed to what? Like you, they should have, they should have a house of

Commons and a prime minister. It can be ejected by no confidence votes. I mean, you, you know, I mean, it's the America is the land of the sovereign executive. I mean, that really is the legacy of Hamilton more than anything.

And to his credit, in my opinion. But the what's interesting about this too is that this the Reichstag speech. I mean, it was timely again, because of the strategic situation, but also FDR on April 14, 1939, in his radio address, he issued this what was called his challenge to Hitler.

Okay. Now, the words of it were as follows, quote, because the United States, as one of the nations of the Western Hemisphere, is not involved in the immediate controversies which have arisen in Europe. I trust that you would be willing to make such a statement of policy to me as head of a nation far removed from Europe in order that I, acting with only responsibility and obligation of a friendly intermediary may communicate such declaration another nation now apprehensive as the course which the policy of your government may take. Are you willing to give assurance that your armed forces will not attack or invade the territory of possessions of the following independent nations?

Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Lechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, the Arabia's, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran. Wow. Now, that's, that's almost comical. well and there's at the in the Reichstag speech there's some footage of Hitler like reading that list down

and it pans are like a gearing like laughing like laughing like like in his hands you know what but the now let's

uh no I mean let's let's let's uh let's think about this for a minute that Roosevelt's list of countries that Germany was supposedly threatening. Let's break that down. Finland, the first country on the list, was invaded by the Soviet Union seven months later. They were actually allied with Germany from then on.

Okay. The three Baltic nations mentioned were conquered in 1940 by the Soviet Union. Later, Roosevelt accepted Stalin Corporation of the Baltic states in the U.S. S.R. Poland was assaulted by the Soviet Union and by Germany, but the Soviet Union's assault apparently did, what it didn't count. Neither Britain, France, the U.S. did anything to counter the Soviet aggression against Poland. When the Soviets took complete control of 1994, the U.S. had no problem with it. Hitler himself pointed out Syria and Palestine are currently occupied

by your ally the United Kingdom and you Mr. Roosevelt are working tirelessly to facilitate a Zionist conquest of Palestine thus displacing the people or indigenous to their region. So why you're telling us to what fair play for Palestine? So I

but again it's the this this earnest sharp rejoinder, because again, I think Roosevelt thought, first of all, I think some of these guys, some of these, like, Morgenth types,

that they're actually, like, high on their own bullshit, and they actually believed it when they said, like, Hitler's an idiot, there's, like, some, there's, like, some, like, bohemian hillbilly who can't read a map. Like, they, these guys were totally outclassed. You know, it's, um, like, I,

I think, uh, I think Rosel really thought this was, like, befuddle Hitler or somehow, you know, resonate with people who had a less than sophisticated understanding of power politics. But it's clear, like, he didn't even, he didn't even, like, study, like, who Germany's ops were at that time and, like, who they were kind of, like, integrated with, you know, politically and diplomatically. And, you know, one of the, in the case, again, a palace in the Arab states, the,

as I made the point before, about guys like Von Lear's and by the propaganda ministry generally, like these guys were actually broadcasting Arab language broadcast to try and court like the Arabs like I mean a lot of the reason why they were doing it was you know to agitate against the United Kingdom but the point is it's like it's like where the hell you pull this list out of like I don't

but it um but like again I think uh these guys didn't um these guys didn't they were they weren't up on you know the character of Hitler and kind of what he was what his tendencies were you know so he uh

so Hitler two weeks later um Hitler issued a direct rebuttal point by point um and he broadcasted over the radio um

and uh even um Gerald Nye again uh who he said that you know the president really took it on the chin um you know the consensus was that like, was that, you know,

Roosevelt had been handily smacked down. And again, too, it's also the, this was, you know, the generation after, you know, the great white fleet, you know, Teddy Roosevelt had sent the U.S. Navy on its world, literally its world tour. You know, you had, you know, you had, America just, you know, a few years subsequent to that effort, you know, had deployed, escaped.

to Europe, you know, to literally change the course of World War I. You know, America was engaged in Asia, you know, it was engaged in, you know, the, the banana wars. Um, they kind of sway, uh, what remained of, of Iberian influence in, in, um, in Central and South America. You know, and again, Germany, we're talking about, we're talking about Germany smaller than Wyoming, you know, so this, you know, now Roosevelt's going to lecture us about, you know, like belligerence, you know, and, and what and what constitutes acceptable application of force

in the course of a of power political ambitions and realities you know the so I don't but it's I make this point too because I again I think John Tolan made the point

I mean I realized Toland Tolan was certainly hostile to the new dealer perspective you know I Tolan was a true revisionist. He went where the facts took him. And he wasn't any kind of national socialist or Hitler partisan. He was just

a rebalanced scholar. But he his take was that Roosevelt's whole challenge of Hitler was basically a publicity stunt. Obviously it was not a serious initiative for peace.

But, you know, by that time the American president's view kind of everything they did is a publicity stunt. You know, in contrast, Hitler, and to his credit, Mussolini, they took seriously what official statements were from, from national capitals. You know,

they took, they took seriously what the American president said as a statement of policy. You know, and when Hitler Orell-Ducci, you know, issued a statement, you could take that to the bank. Like regardless, what do you think of the merit of, you know, what policy was within the bound of rationality of their strategic ambitions? You know, they weren't on publicity tours. They weren't saying things to kind of, you know, spoof public opinion, you know.

And that's something that's got to be acknowledged. Like I, and like I said, too, like imagine, even, um, even in the 19th century or even in uh even in arguably kind of the most uh even the most kind of populist era in europe you know after the excess of 1848 it had been kind of quashed but yeah there still there still remained kind of the um there still there still kind of remained uh the sensibility of you know the the the third estate having final say it was it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty remarkable for a, you know, not just a Reichs consular, but any chief executive

to publicly address the legislature and say, look, here's the military situation, here's why I give the orders I did. These are our losses. You know, these are what we need to reconstitute in order to win. You know, this is my political vision for the future. And this is my view of, you know, these men who've positioned themselves as our enemies. I mean, it's just not, that's a level of engagement and transparency that I don't really think exists. One of the reasons I like Putin, and Putin's no Adolf Hitler.

I don't even particularly... I don't think it's the best man for Russia. I think... It's unfortunately for the Russian people who's not a better man who can rise the occasion for all kinds of reasons. What I will say about Putin, though, is that I think he is basically transparent.

You know, you'd be hard for us to find a statement he's made on high politics. You know, war and peace questions. That isn't exactly what, you know, intended policy was. So there's that, too. Like, I don't, um, there's this, uh,

I mean, uh, there's all kinds of like weird mythologies about, um, about chief executives of states that America, fought in these 20th century wars and their alleged bad character or whatever but there's this kind of there's this ongoing

like mythology that like oh Hitler was this liar and he was always resorted to like this ledgered main like it's really not true you know I mean I think the big Czechoslovakia you know Munich and 38

and um Barbarossa being that was you know a sneak attack in violation of the not aggression pact I guess they're the kind of big points of contention for people who insist on that viewpoint but

again I if all treaty law is permissive not compulsory because it can't be because that's impossible if the party to a treaty is acting in bad faith and in the case of a non-agreting

pact he intends to attack you and is mobilizing for that purpose, you're not under some moral obligation to wait to be assaulted. You know, I mean, that's like saying I... There's like saying that man tends to kill me. I've got to wait until he draws on me and fires. Otherwise, I'm a bad actor for preemptively shooting him. I mean, it doesn't... This is not the way things work. And, you know, I mean, aside from that, if...

If you take the side of the Soviet Union over Europe, I mean, regardless of the... the merit of um Hitler's decisions or lack thereof you've got something wrong with you you know like you you support um your own civilization right or wrong and finally in the case

of um you know in the case of Czechoslovakia again it was uh it uh it was a there was no center there you know I mean it it rapidly came apart literally

once the Sudeten land was seated to Germany. Like there is no Czechoslovakia. It ceased to exist immediately after the inter-German border came down. I mean, was that, like, was that like a crime against history too? Like, should we insist Czechoslovakia exist? I mean, I, so there's not, you know, and that kind of surprised me, man. It's like, honestly, it's just because people aren't particularly educated.

Like, when I think about things that kind of caused me to, like, give me pause about any positive, feelings about Hitler. It's what he did to do his friends on, uh, in June 1934 and things like that. You know, I mean, I, it's give you pause of a man who's willing to murder his friends for political expediency, which is what Hitler did. I mean, it seems to me to say, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a man who wield power over the fortunes of nations. But, um, it's like, really like, you're, you're big, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, big um you're big in diamond of hitler's character is that chico slovakia ceased to exist and

this it was mean to attack the soviet union like it doesn't it doesn't really track but um anyway it just um i thought it important to um get uh that um out there and during the uh i want to cover the uh the Warriors and what, specifically Roosevelt's final term where his mandate was evaporating. And I think Roosevelt wasn't quite in his, he didn't have his family's about him anymore. And this resonated very much

in the quarters of the Third Reich. And there's a reason why the July 20 plot happened when it did. There's a reason why a lot of the intrigues within the Reich itself developed as they did. Stalin was making decisions looking forward to a future without Roosevelt. I mean, Stalin was pretty old himself.

Excuse me. It's pretty old himself at this point, okay? But I'll be more clear in the next episode, but on what I mean. But I've mentioned before Hitler's December 11th, Reichstag's speech, I maintain it's critically important as it's testimonial evidence in putting together not just an understanding

of the psychology of Hitler as warlord and as a political actor but also but also you know disabusing people of of conceptual biases they have about

you know the war declaration against the United States it was just like some brazen crazy act or some sort of attempt at a or some sort of attempt at a gamble or something. But, yeah, that's all I got for today. All right.

That was great. Let's do plugs and we'll end it. Yeah, man. You can always find me at Thomas777.com. It's number seven, HMAS, 777.com. I'm on Twitter at the real Thomas. Capital R-E-A-L underscore number 7, HMAS. You have Substack, Real Thomas-777.

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Until the next episode, thank you, Somms. Yeah, man.