The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1053: 'Anti-Semitism" Bill 6090 and the Potential Fallout w/ Bird from Timeline Earth

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

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The ills of being a podcaster, yeah. Now that I'm on my emergency generator, because I still have no power. But, yeah. And what's funny is I could have just unplugged and plugged that in while I was doing that, but I didn't think too because I'm retarded. That's okay. So let's start here. What were the topics you wanted to talk about? Well, there's some pretty interesting news topics going around.

As you know, I'm a professional news guy. I am paid to tell people the news. There's a certain amount of things that I have to save for my own podcast. Go check out timeline earth. But I managed to collect a couple of things that may be interesting to you here and now. The first thing that I wanted to talk about with you, Pete, was the recent news of UNC trustees axing DEI and boosting the campus police. Have you heard about this? Yeah, so they took Chris Rufo's championing it, saying, pretending like he has something to do with it again.

Maybe he does. I don't know. Yeah. Anything that happens on campus, it changes. It's to his credit. But he was taking credit for Harvard, not like Bill Ackman was the one responsible for what happened at Harvard. But yeah, apparently they cut their department of DEI and transferred that funding over to

the Po Poe Po. From what I understand, Chris Rufo had nothing to do with it at all. He's just, he is the king of taking unearned victory laps. I mean, that is sort of the whole DeSantis squat when you think about it. kind of have made their bones on like other people doing the hard work and then taking the credit for it. I like that you brought up Bill Ackman. Bill Ackman is the real reason why this is happening, like you said, across multiple college campuses. It has nothing to do with like the, I don't even know.

I used to like Rufo and I still appreciate what Rufo has done in the past. But it is very clear that at the present moment, Christopher Rufo is one of those cardboard cutouts that you take a picture in front of. And really, the guy who's running the show is behind the counter somewhere. That's the guy who's really running the show. And Rufo is the guy that everybody can point at as the scapegoat that the left needs. Oh, it's this guy. When it's very clear that the Ackman cartel is, that's what I'm going to call it,

is running the show here because, just like with the TikTok ban, the second that things started to get out of line, they were able to finally pull the cord on the things that, you know, guys like Rufo up to a few years ago, were able to pull the cord on. And I don't know how they were not able to pull the cord.

And then the second that Bill Ackman and his crew get offended, they can pull the cords whenever they want. What is stunning to me is, and you've been on this for a long time, I have not properly studied the application of power in politics and really in private business. But it's incredible to me how quickly changes can be made by people who hold power. Because the concept for me was like, I'm trying to think of the last guy that I liked that had power. It was Trump. and if you really think about what Trump could have done

versus what was done, either he didn't have the power or I was just dumb enough to think that he was going to use the power in the ways that I wanted. It's probably a little bit of both of those things. So it's really amazing to see how effective power actually is, how quick it is, at actually manipulating the environmental circumstances.

Now, I think at this point the cat is out of the bag, and when you have the left and the right are now unified on an issue, which is anti-Zionism, which was always quietly a point of unity, but is now very loudly a point of unity between these two groups. I don't think it's significant enough to build a bridge between the right and the left that's general enough to counteract the power that these elites have. but it is really amazing to see that when power really needed to be applied, it was applied immediately and fairly effectively. Now, long-term effect of the TikTok ban, for one thing. The implementation of the anti-Semitism rules on college campuses. That's the second thing. The consideration of the anti-Semitism bill that is going to be proposed to the House of Representatives very soon here. I forget what the name of it is, but I'm sure you've heard about this. It's based off of the Holocaust Remederation or something like that.

Oh, is that, yeah, you made that, that sounds right. Yeah, it's based off of the Holocaust Remembrance Organization's definition of anti-Semitism. You have individual states who have been very effective at implementing policy, which is certainly going to be challenged in courts, but it's, remember that while it's being challenged in courts, it's still a question at hand that can ruin people's lives. So even though a stay will be ordered on that rule, because ultimately, I don't think the vast majority of the American public and the judges in this country who, it's amazing how, out of all of the branches of government we have, the judges seem to be the most willing to apply the law from a fair standard, which is rarely done to begin with. but it's amazing how quickly all of these things were lined up, shot out of the cannon.

And we, not just you and I, but the right generally, and especially the right, which excludes Zionism, has been seemingly unable to do anything in that regard, even though we have a large population. We also have allies on the left, but we have very few positions of power. And I think we can thank, I mean, this was 10 to 15 years of the neoconservatives working extremely hard to put their guys in power. And, I mean, even to the point where, to the point where every single representative in the country is more willing to tow the line on Zionism than they are to serve their constituents and thereby risk reelection. My thought on it is I happen to think a lot of these representatives who are risking their re-election because of the dissent of the people who voted them in because I would say probably what, 40% of America at this point is anti-Zionist nominally, at the very least. It's a significant minority. And I'm not saying that therefore 60% is not anti-Zionist. It's more like 60% doesn't really have an opinion on it. So it's a large group of people who've taken a fairly significant position. But the representatives seem perfectly fine to either ignore that, not expect repercussions for that, or simply not care. It does tell you that whatever the current political organization that we have is,

there is no incentive for representatives to do what the people say. It's about who's going to give me the most money right here and right now. And then after I'm done getting the money that I need to from the donors that I have, either they'll reinstantiate me in power because I guess they control the votes too, or I'll get kicked out, but then I'll get a cushy job at some media organization or as some trusted advisor to a newspaper or something like that. I'll go another 10 years doing that, and then I'll slowly take my retirement or fade into obscurity. And that seems to be what is motivating people, at least in the halls of Congress, to do this.

Or rather, I should say, that is more of an incentive than is, serving the constituents. Now this is probably obvious to a lot of people who have listened to your show. You've been talking about this for a long time. But there is a huge amount of people in this country who still believe in the effectiveness of the political process. I don't know why. But this has to serve. If you're out there and you're talking to ordinary people, you have to lay it out like this. You have to go, isn't it interesting that there's a bill in Congress right now, which is considering a redefinition of the term anti-Semitism so as to be able to apply hate crime statutes to certain crimes based on really meager standards. And then also, isn't it really interesting that basically every

college campus in this country, all of the students on the college campuses, students are, students are a class of society who have led just about every revolution in history, that on these college campuses, they have no power to affect change in the way that they have in other situations. Oh yeah, also, isn't it really interesting that besides legislation and besides the inability for students to make a push on anything, we also have rules being instantiated into college campuses, which actually make it, which basically make it impossible to stand against Israel without risking your college career for it. You used to be able to do that before. I went to Queens College. in Queens College is a very diverse group of people. It was amazing to me.

I was in an international relations class, and it's amazing to see Muslims and Jews just going at it with one another in an international relations class. Such a conversation would no longer be able to occur because the Muslims would be silenced from taking their standard position. In fact, they would even be liable to be kicked off of the campus. And so unlike the legislation, which will probably not pass, but will be halted,

the things that are happening on college campuses will not be challenged. These are rules that are already rolled into the standardized anti-hate, what should I say, the anti-hate rulebook that most colleges already have. They've just rolled this into it, except they're pretty ineffective at, they seem to be pretty ineffective, at least from my personal college experience, and actually kicking people out of school unless it's a very particular kind of hate expressed. The anti-Semitism college laws that are being put into place,

I'm just going to call them laws, rules. I don't really know what they're called. These are so broadly defined that it actually has the ability to stifle the conversation entirely on a college campus unless somebody's willing to risk their college career. The good thing is college doesn't mean anything anymore. And just about most people realize that. It's extremely expensive.

most people realize that unfortunately out of the Muslims who are in college right now a good portion of the Muslims who are in college right now who are really leading the fight against Zionism a lot of them are foreigners they come into this country for the education then they go back to their countries with the hopes of applying that education to make their own countries better they will be prevented now from doing that which is one of the things that if actually we get some people over to other countries who have better education maybe we have to stop babying all of these countries as Americans. So we're not going to be able to do that now. And it's just a, it's incredible all of the things that were very quickly deployed and effectively, at least

effectively deployed and implemented to the point where they probably will be challenged in court, but that is still going to ruin a significant number of lives. I had to think about it this way. The question is it really, will these things become law today? It's will they, they become a law in 30 years? Because if the trend keeps going the way that it's going, they will become law in 30 years. And the second question is if you're still skeptical about that, maybe they don't become laws ever.

Maybe these are like temporary measures. Everybody knows they're going to be thrown out of court. But the problem is they're going to ruin lives along the way. Being pulled into a, you know, let's say you get into a fight at a bar over a conversation like this. You are liable to be charged with a hate crime. And even though if that is challenged in your state's court, your case will be on hold until a decision is made. You're not off the hook until a decision is made.

And so your life is effectively stalled until that point. And further, even if these things are eventually wiped away, just like what they've always done with student protesters, it's a similar to the way that they will arrest student protesters who haven't done anything wrong, just to get them off of the campus. That is what these measures will do whether or not they are challenged in court. They will get people away from the situation for long enough to stamp the fire out.

And it's all being done very effectively and implemented very effectively. So what do you think about all that? Leaving aside the fact that there are paid protesters on the campuses, let's just concentrate on the ones that are, I think we can both agree that we grew up in an age where, for better or for worse, I'm not saying it's good or bad, that being able to protest on a college campus is a right of passage. And it just is.

And it seems like at this point, they could shut down any protest by having someone infiltrate and just say, you know, like, kill all the blanks. Yeah. So. Yeah. And I mean, these protesters, I'm not deluded into thinking these protesters and my friends. We have anything in common. I don't believe that they're the future elites.

I believe that a, you know, people from a frat who it has been proven that a couple of these frats, the one in North Carolina and the one in California, UCLA, were paid. most likely by Bill Ackman, to go in there and do what they do what they did. And it seems like the one in Old Miss wasn't paid. They just went out there and mocked because they're the ones that end up getting in trouble and no one has their back. Then it looks like this is just basically what this could end up doing is basically shutting down any kind of process in the future on college campus. And what that will do, and maybe this. This is the Zionist right taking control of the campus is it will make it so that you can't protest on campus.

And now we have to go through and look at all of the curriculum to make sure that none of it is anti-Semitic. I forgot about that part. That's right. In the legislation, so it isn't just about the implementation of laws. In that legislation, it is included that there's going to be a vast review of exactly what you said. And that is the real key. The data mining is the real key. Because at present, these institutions really don't have an easy way to scan the entirety of what's being taught in college

in order to be able to tell whether or not it's still working for them. So this is, again, and that's going to be done whether or not the bill is challenged because it isn't an aspect of legislation. It is a recommendation. and that recommendation is the go-ahead that will be used to perform these analyses. And it's going to employ a lot of a certain sympathetic group to be able to essentially start the framework for probably a five-year plan to massively overhaul education in the country in the direction that will at least push people away from anti-Zionism. anti-Zionism, but it will be, it will take it further than that. It will be saying anything against Jews and any, you know, Zionism is the safe way.

Zionism is the safe thing to say. You know, when I was a libertarian, you know, most people don't, people are like, oh, you only really started talking about the Jews after you're a libertarian. I did a lot, I talked about Zionism a lot. I was just using different language because, you know, I was trying not to bring down, bring held down upon myself, then you see, you know, what really, what really clinched it for me was Ukraine. Once I figured out, you know, once you figure out who's behind Ukraine, and then I don't have any ties to an institute anymore that I don't have to worry about getting yelled at and getting anything like

that. It's just like, well, I mean, we just really need to start talking about who's behind, you know, who's behind a lot of this. And, yeah, it turns out to be hyper Zionist Jews. You know, it's like I was putting out a screenshot of a tweet this morning. It said right-wing Jews caused the wars that basically displaced Muslims. And then it's left-wing Jews who are the ones who advocate for them to have open borders into the West so that they can flood the West. So basically they're creating a ethnic. homeland in the Middle East that they can strengthen. I don't know about that much, about that much, how much that's true anymore.

But then they're multiculturalizing the West, which weakens us and allows them to use the power of their banking, the media arm, and everything else cultural to make it easier for them to have more power in the West. Well, the difficulty is most people who are involved in this conversation, I personally I don't even know where I stand on it but most people who are involved in this conversation are using the term anti-Zionism genuinely especially people on the left are using the term anti-Zionism genuinely so what I mean to say is they aren't saying anti-Zionism as a way to avoid talking about Jews they use they use

use anti-Zionism because their rhetoric is based on a foundation of anti-colonialism. They don't see it as a kind of a war of socioreligious ideologies. They see it as a war of colonizer versus colonized. So naming them, you know, the E. Michael Jones strategy, naming them, if we just name them enough, eventually people will realize who is responsible assumes that, I think assumes that a lot of people on the left are either ignorant of this fact or haven't developed the thought far enough. But they start from totally different platforms. In order for the right to successfully enjoin itself into what, if enough, pressure is

applied could be at least a semi-successful staving off of this legislation being implemented, a pushing back against this implementation on college campuses. The right needs to adopt, at least nominally, anti-colonial rhetoric. But if it does that, then it admits to a lot of the things that right-wingers cannot necessarily adopt, which is to say the civilized, force of European colonization in the United States, in the Americas, and in Africa. Now, again, I don't particularly go along with that line, but that is what, and you see it as it rolls around on every Columbus Day, and you see it as it rolls around on every Thanksgiving, the vast majority of the right is not anti-colonial. It's only anti-colonial in the Zionist sense,

or it is anti-colonial in the Zionist sense. Right-wingers understand that, happening to the people in Gaza is a form of imperialism. They do understand it to be the expression of Jews in Israel, whether you call it genocide or not killing indiscriminately and pushing out the rest of the people probably into the Negev or into the Sinai. That's ultimately the goal. And people on the right realize that and they realize that that form, which when left-wingers talk about it, they're talking about colonialism, right-wingers realize that. that that part of it they can't go along with.

And I'm not advocating one step or another here, but, and I don't really know how I feel about power, but I do know that in history, if enough people are pissed off, it makes it very difficult for elites to apply pressure. We saw it for just a little while, but I was stunned by the speed at which they were able to respond. If more people

apply pressure, the better. And to do that, I think there needs to be an enjoining of left and right, at least on this issue, a coalition, at least on this issue, whether or not we think their left is totally diluted on any other number of issues. The only way that we're going to succeed because we're not currently in the halls of power and more and more every day, we will be pushed and kept out of it if this kind of stuff is out in the open. You know, this, you have to be, you have to subvert your way into power and we really don't have the time with this kind of legislation. So I'm not necessarily talking about an alliance, but there needs to be, I don't know. I don't know.

I'd like to know what you think about naming them versus adopting an anti-colonial stance on the rhetoric. Well, the anti-colonial stance, I mean, the right's not going to want to do that. I mean, and I don't even know what right, you know, what right would. You know, the MAGA right is, you know, throw the protesters off the campuses. Right. So the only right that you're talking about is really a right that has, no no institutional power right so really at this point you're you're just at the finding a vanguard um finding your own elites or finding a vanguard type of time um the

understanding i think um thomas did a really good episode with j burdon yesterday where he talked about Islam and basically said you know these these protesters paid or not they're not if you you understand what happened after World War II and who has all the power after World War II. They're not your enemies. And I would say you don't have to go out there and protest with them. You don't have to support them, but I wouldn't counter-signal them. I understand, to me, in my opinion, when I look at what's going on in Israel and Palestine, I understand that the Palestinians, if you talk to Turks and you talk to Egyptians,

whenever Palestinians in any number go into other countries, they become subversive. They start causing problems, which a lot of people might say that proves Shlomo San and Sheldon-Ritchman's theory that they're the real Jews. But either way, what I'm looking at is I'm looking at one, group who has inordinate power, overrepresented power in the world. And I'm looking at another group that has, at best, influence in the region and has no effect on my life. Palestinians have no effect on my life.

Jewish power and Zionist power and influence. does. I'm not saying, I'm not making excuses that I haven't, I'm not a billionaire because of Jews. I'm saying, I understand that they've basically created the culture that I live in and I don't like that culture and I want to change that culture. I don't like the way they, I don't like the way banking is done. I don't like Hollywood. I don't like the fact that pornography is free, which is, you know, there's a reason why it's free. There's also a reason why Jews control the

Israel controls what they see on TV in Gaza and in the West Bank and at times have streamed porn, hardcore porn, onto their TVs. You have to shut them off then. But what I'm doing is...

Did we do that in Iraq? Didn't we do that in Iraq? Yeah, I think we did. Like that was like an opener for our Iraq war policy was start flooding the radio and airway is with Warren. So what I see is I see two groups and I see one group that's my enemy and I see one group that isn't. I see one group that's my enemy and one group that really if, why should I be worried about

them other than there is this group that I consider to be my enemy who they beat up on these people, kill these people, they end up having to emigrate and they go to other countries and they cause all sorts of problems. And those problems do end up coming here, whether that be in terrorism, whether that be in just inordinate amounts of immigration. So the way I look at it is, I want my people to be able to have some fight against this.

One thing you have to really look at is since October 7th, any power that you see being flexed on a college campus is being done by, is not being done by really government. It's being done by elites like Bill Ackman, who is Jewish and who has a, there's a reason why he wanted to get Claudine Gay fired and the chick at UPenn fired and that he's seeking to shut down these, it's tribal. It's just his tribe is being attacked, and he's going to use his billions to do it. Right now, he is more powerful than the government.

He's accomplishing more than the government. He's basically commanding police forces through his apparatchiks and acolytes in governments, and even in local governments. That's also, I think that needs to be stressed, is that when you say he's more powerful than the government, that may or may not be the case, but what certainly is the case is that many governments agree with him. Many governments are happy to go along with him. Federally, absolutely, and then, what is it, 30 states or something like that, are basically willing to go along with him. So it's not just, you can say the elites that put a lot of people into power in government

to be able to be the actual cogs that turn the wheel. But I don't know, I'm not, I do happen to think the government has some power and ability here, and it has just been subverted. Yeah, and when you look at everything that's happening, all this legislation that they're talking about passing, where the money is going, basically the whole of the narrative of public politics since October, it basically goes to show you that, I mean, it's hard to argue that they care any, our elected officials, they care anything about this country,

or if they do, and you wanted to have a percentage of it, maybe they care 10% about this country and they care 90% about Israel and Israel's other projects in like, um, in Ukraine or, um, shipping in the Middle East or Taiwan. It just does, it seems,

like we're we've been completely occupied and when you have a a buffer like a bill Ackman going out there and throwing you know millions around are his issues the issues he care about cares about are they any different than Apex are they any different than whoever is influencing our people no they're it's all on the same it's all the same side and people don't get People can't get that through their skulls because, you know, they hate Muslims, 9-11, what they've seen. You're talking about people on the right. Right, yeah. Immigration into Europe, things like that, and, you know, rape gangs, grooming gangs, things like that.

And I get it. I get it. But there's a reason that those people are there. There's a reason that those immigrants are there. You can get rid of all of those immigrants tomorrow. But if you don't get, if you don't figure out a way to put to heal the people who are responsible for bringing them there, well, then it's, you're, you're not paying attention to who has the power in all of this. Right. And you're just, you're just, you've, you've been taught that one group is just universally bad.

And the, you know, because they're just savages. they can't live in, they can't live in the West. They can't. And maybe they can't. Maybe, maybe some of these people can't. But a lot of them don't want to, by the way. A lot of them would like to live in their indigenous homelands. A lot of them like to live where there's from. Well, you know, and Stephen Carson, radical liberation, made this point. He said, you really didn't see mass Muslim immigration and sold George Bush.

Right. Yeah. So what does that tell you? They went to war against Islam. yet they imported Islam? How does that make sense? Yeah, you're absolutely right. For me,

the reason I think why I'm interested in, again, at least nominally building a bridge with people who seemingly don't have power, well, first of all, I suppose that's because I rely on the idea that enough people dedicated to a project with or without the actual ability to directly touch power will affect some sort of change. We have seen popular uprisings in the past.

They have to be quite popular. But the reason why I'm interested in it is because so it could be Zionist, it could be Palestinian, it could be any group with this amount of power would want to destroy the West. It happens to be Jews and Zionism happens to be the cause, the willingness to sacrifice this country for the sake of that one. could be any cut if germans had all the power they would do the damn same thing if germany was

as they perceive under threat or if there was a project to rebuild some sort of special brand third brandon bird gate that's going to resurrect uh the german jesus i don't know the point that i'm worried about is specifically the the effort to re-evaluate what is being taught on college campuses provides sort of the same thing that the NSA was given when they started spying on all of us. Before that, there was no such registry to record what basically every American citizen believed who they were interacting with. The opportunity that is being given to an enemy group right now is the ability to dig their fingers into every college campus and pull up every single route, every single piece of detail, and find out what exactly is happening. And I'm generally

not a fan of registries of any kind. I believe it is the job of the individual to carry any document of ownership. It's really not the job of a centralized organization to hold that kind of information because it will be abused usually, and especially considering that education is a weapon, the idea that you would have a full portfolio of the entirety of national education, so that you could take it piece by piece. You know, these are things that should exist in matrices. They're not, they shouldn't be easy to figure out what is generally being taught. But the fact that they would, there would be a library, essentially, of all of the things that are being taught about, and who knows how deep it goes, because remember, it isn't just the education.

It's also the tracking of infractions on college campuses that would relate to this subject. So they've now, they're going to have a registry of who their enemies are and, in a basic, Excel sheet, you could plug in all the numbers and find out who your biggest enemies are and who minor threats might be and for what reasons. So this is a vast project to essentially reorganize education and those being educated in this country. And I would oppose this no matter who was doing it, because even the idea of collecting a registry creates a database that can be utilized by anybody who doesn't like me in particular or you or whoever went through the colleges and maybe had a minor infraction recorded because they did get into an argument with somebody in a college classroom

about the state of Israel and the Zionist project. And now that is forever embedded in somewhere. And who knows if this registry ever gets attached to, let's say, a hiring organization, a recruiting organization. So the idea of the collection of a database, I don't think has ever been a good idea and it certainly will not be used to our advantage and most certainly will be used to our disadvantage so considering that yeah maga is toast maga has always been toast maga is a maga is a very strange object what it does what it's capable of doing but for people people who are sympathetic to our right and there were also discounted that there's a large number of like blue dogs who are now forced to be Republican because of all

of the craziness on the left. My father is, I always use my father as an example of this. New York guy always voted Democrat. He's not voting Democrat anymore. A lot of his ideas haven't changed. And he's never been an Israel guy. And there are a lot of people like this. There has to be some unity movement. Otherwise, his database will be created. And that is just a, that is going to be a disaster, and it provides an opportunity to reorganize education in a way that nobody should be given the opportunity to do. All right, so let me throw something out there. Let me give you, give you my, um, one of my takes on this. So I believe right from the beginning after 10-7 happened, that what, what we were seeing was there was also a civil war going on within Judaism. The left,

the left wing, left wing Jews and right wing Jews seem to be at odds. Now, there's a lot of people who will say, well, you know, the, they just conspire with each other and do this. Okay, let's, let's leave that aside for a second. So basically, if you look at the curriculum, the anti-colonial, the anti-white, the DEI, the colonizer, all this stuff in, in colleges, you can trace this to, you can trace this to, Jewish elites who are the ones who created this. DEI created by Jews, Civil Rights Act Jews, Mass Immigration Heartseller Act Jews, Frankfurt School Jews.

I mean, it is. Jews that they would say were on the left. So now the Jews on the right are coming in and saying, well, we need to wipe all of this away and get rid of this. And now we need to put in their good old-fashioned pro-Zionist rhetoric and make sure that at least Zionism cannot be attacked and Jews cannot be attacked. And this is what some call the kosher sandwich. Both sides are, no matter who's warring, it's Jews having a conversation.

It's just, I remember Dave Smith and Gene Epstein, people both of us, people both of us have met, no, talking about economics on an episode once. and they said they both agreed that all economics is, is Jews having a conversation. That's basically what I'm seeing here is all of this insane leftoidness, the wokeness and everything. I mean, you have a lot of Zionist Jews now and a lot of their friends who will attack you and call you a leftist if you say that, you know,

the woke comes from Jews. No, the woke came from leftists. Okay, but what are their names? What are the names of the leftists who, who the woke came from and everything. But now, if it's going to get flipped on a college campus, and it's going to be, well, we need to get rid of the woke, and we need to, or at least, you know, tame the woke

and have a little more, you know, pro-Zionism in there, or at least don't let people attack Zionists or attack Jews. It just seems to me that either way, you get Jewish. You get something Jewish. So, I mean, what do you say to that? Um, well, on this, yeah, the, the, it, it cannot be doubted that, um, in terms of anti-colonial rhetoric that goes around on the left, it is, uh, I mean, to be honest with you, I wouldn't, I don't know a specific anti-colonialist. Well, I can think of several of them, but. Yeah, I, I don't doubt the idea that Jews have had a major influence in both anti-colonial and pro-colonial reads, Zionist conversations.

Absolutely. I don't disagree with that at all. But the question remains is the participation in the opposition through that nominally. Is that going to be effective in stopping or halting the attempts to build a registry and to pass legislation? So while I agree with what you're saying, I probably would think about it similar. in terms of economics. Do we throw economics out the window because of who's having the conversation

or can we retrieve from it what we need to? No. As a guy who doesn't know a thing about economics. It's faking gay. It's totally faking gay. That's been my life for a while. But yeah, I'm simply not, I need to be presented with an alternative possibility

to stopping a registry from being created. I think is a major thing for me. What have you thought about all this? I mean, we did an episode not too long after October 7th, but we haven't done anything since then. What is your take on all this? Because it just, if you would have told me a year, well, I mean, okay, before Kanye,

if you had had told me before Kanye went, you know, absolutely ballistic and started a lot of this conversation. of you had to tell me in 2000, 2020, or in 2021, let's get past the COVID year in 2021 that basically all of the conversation on Twitter, we would have called it Twitter then, and in the news, in politics on college campus, was going to be about Israel and Jews. Now, I will say I was listening to a podcast the other day. I'm trying to remember who it was. I think it might have been our interesting times.

And they talked about somebody went down and started questioning these kids, you know, the ones who were protesting against Israel and started asking them like specific questions, like about real. And they don't know anything. No, like real Jewish power. Like, do you know anything about how the Jews and the slave trade? Do you know about Jews and, and freemasonry and stuff like that? And the person who went down there came back and said, yeah, a lot of these people are hip to that. So a lot of these people are not only hip to anti-Zionism, they're at least from this anecdotal, you know, little, yeah, you said this.

Yeah, we know that Jews are behind Freemasonry and we know all this. So I don't know. Where are we right now when it comes to talking about, you know, the original Jewish question, when, you know, when Marx talked about the Jewish question, it was about assimilation. It was about can they assimilate into European society? How much do you think that at all has any relevance today that question? When you consider that when they go into a society, they either seek to dominate it or they seek to completely change it? Well, they are assimilated into European society. They're in Eurovision.

And I'm not joking. Israel is in Eurovision. They are, in a sense, assimilated in. And they got their own country out of it. So is Australia. Well, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I, what I think about it is, first of all, I don't, I don't, like you said, I don't know who provided the anecdote. I have no reason to doubt the anecdote, but I could find a counter anecdote pretty quickly, I think.

Absolutely. I would say, first of all, I would say I'm shocked that what I am shocked about is that, a group that has no institutional power and is largely regarded as laughable in most parts of the country, the black Hebrew Israelites, who would have thought that all of the things that they believe are now front and center and part of conversation on the left? I mean, it's pretty interesting. I think that's pretty interesting. Now, I'm not saying that they're the ones who this originated from, but, like, who own the boats

is, like, very specifically, you know, a black Hebrew Israelite. At least there's a great book of research on it. Nation of Islam. Actually, you're right. It's Nation of Islam is really. That's right. It really is the nation of Islam. So for me, black Americans have been talking about this forever. You know, I mean, you and I both have a number of black friends. You always talk about your friend who you'd watch a lot of videos of Malcolm X and things like that. Would you be hanging out with him?

And the two of you would talk about this stuff and he was always hip to it. And the black community in the United States is largely not. not fooled about this element of power. And I hang out with a lot of Native Americans, and they feel the same way. Native Americans are totally hip to both Whitey and the Jews' place in creating an apocalypse for them. They're in on it, absolutely, but it is white America

that is not, I can't imagine is largely hip to this. when you have non-whites in America are much more apt to adopt. I'm going to keep saying it anti-colonial stances. They see them as anti-colonial, no matter who they apply the names to, and Native Americans of blacks have never been afraid of saying white or Jew, depending on who they're talking about. And they are very clear on what elements of which need to be ascribed to which group. But it is white America that doesn't have an incentive to be,

to think anti-colonially and therefore see the Israel-Palestine situation in the more honest way that it is depicted. So that's the other thing is like, you know, you say you can go back and trace anti-colonial rhetoric to a lot of Jewish names. This may be the case for, again, white society. But I do struggle to think that for non-white society, perhaps the words have been lifted from, you know, that specific implementation of anti-colonialism that comes through white society where a lot of the names are Jewish. But blacks and Native Americans have got very particular experientially informed versions of this. And they see what's going on in Israel, Palestine, as a mirror of what has gone on either to blacks in America or two Indians in America.

So it's difficult because you're dealing with a, like we, we, you need to have white Americans on your side. If you're going to have a popular uprising in this country, you need to. You absolutely must. You have to pick because it's the largest, are we a minority yet in America? It's the largest plurality of people. I don't really don't know. I don't know if Hispanic is counted as white. You know, I think that, well, if you, I think if you were just looking at,

at people with white heritage, you know, like European heritage, then you're, then a lot of people or believe that the numbers are fudge. Like they'll say that, sure, yes, whites are still a majority, Europeans are still a majority in this country, but a lot of people believe that actually they're just fudging the numbers and they're actually not anymore. It's got to be depends on where you are, right? because my personal experience, I could not inform you on an accurate answer. Miami is not represented.

That's right. That's what I'm saying. Miami is not right. Although it's funny is Miami is very white. Just nobody speaks English. And nobody, nobody's actually from here. But yeah,

there's a lot of white. There's a lot of white Spanish people and, Cubans, Puerto Ricans. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of them. But,

yeah, you, the ultimate point that I'm trying to say is I think while you can probably trace most philosophical rhetoric that comes through the post-enlightenment to a Jewish name, which by the way, I think you can trace plenty of that to non-Jewish names also. There may be an over-representation as there often is with Jews. They have very high IQs. They're often philosophically oriented, and they're very good with their verbal skills.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. If they're 2% of the population, even if they do have... 20% or 30%. Yeah. Well, if they're 2% of the population in the United States, this is not per capita. This is raw numbers.

Yeah. Then, and let's say whites are 55% of the popular. White Europeans are 55% of the population. right now. They would, you would, you would have to say that there are way more whites with high, with high IQs than there are Jews, just on sheer numbers alone. Verbal? Oh, let's, stop with the pill pulling. Stop with the pill pulling. Yeah, maybe, yeah, probably. I'm not saying that they're, they're dumb. I'm saying that they

are intelligent, but I'm also saying they're highly, yes, you're saying, and they are highly networked. Oh, yeah, well, no argument from here, whereas whites are not highly nepotistic. Yeah, we've been, that's been beaten out of us, a lot of us, to serve our own families. Absolutely. It's been since the civil rights era that that's been disconvinced of protecting our own. No doubt. My main point is they're involved in the philosophy of it, so most of the rhetoric is going to come out of these circles. But I think that, and I don't even know what point I'm drawing here, am I saying there should be a white right-wing or, who aren't MAGA should ally with non-white leftists

because there's less of an opportunity for individual subversion because of the Jewish origins of the conversation. I truly don't know. All I know is there are multiple tribes of anti-colonial philosophy. And they will ultimately shrink down to race. At the end of the day, the conversation will, if there is to be a divide in a coalition, it will shrink back down into race.

So the natives will back the natives, the blacks will back the blacks, the whites will back the whites. But if you're talking about the potential for there to be subversion by the same group that is being opposed, in this case we're talking about, again, about the Zionist conversation here,

if we're trying to stop a registry from being made, if we're trying to stop legislation, there has to be some sort of coming together, or there has to be, be some sort of detachment from the systems that will affect us. Those things are being worked on already, but I still think the fight is worth being fought in the public square. Maybe that is naive of me. I'm sure many people think it is naive of me, but this registry will be created if it isn't opposed, and it's going to ruin a lot of people's lives. And maybe for an accelerationist,

that's great. It'll just radicalize a lot more people. So maybe we're in favor of the registry for those reasons, but it does feel like we're constantly playing 4D Chess in a game that never ends, or it keeps shifting dimensions. So it's very difficult to, it seems to be very difficult to express popular power or to create the potential for a popular revolution that will not be subverted by, in this particular case, Jews, who are at the present moment are organizing a registry to take out their rivals. That's just how that is. And again, I think any group would do it.

But that's the case that we're faced with and people need to acknowledge it. Well, I think one of the problems with people on my side is that they think that this won't, there's no way that they'll get on that registry, that there's no way their name will get attached to it. They don't think that that registry will just stay on campus. Yeah, they don't know, they don't realize and remember that like a lot of, these, okay, so if this is just under Title VI right now, they'll find a way to expand this to the wider population. So the wider and wider population. And even if they did not, a registry specifically of what has gone on in college campuses over the past, who knows how long, is a tool

that nobody has had before. And given who's currently in power, it's going to be utilized as is, whether or not it's implemented further, and that will have disastrous consequences, because it will allow for the reorganization of education. Education in this country is already horrifically bad, and politically utilized, and it was politically utilized by the left forever. Now it just seems to be that if this registry is created, if the curriculum is able to be re-evaluated and re-implemented and reorganized, it's just going to be, it may not even be changed very much, but it will be change in all of the ways that the people who are able to change it need it to be changed for their own personal viewpoints, for their own ideology to be safeguarded from whatever popular

revolution is to come. That is the problem. So whether or not it even affects you, listen, or who maybe didn't go to college or was in college 10 years ago or had a perfectly clean college record, you will have to deal with the environmental consequences of such a registry being created, of education being reorganized. If you were living in 1960, before the flower revolution, when education was effectively reorganized, probably happened in the 70s, I would say, took about till the 90s for education to be totally reorganized. Now we are dealing with the consequences of that today, which, for instance, if you live in Kenosha, Wisconsin, the anti-colonial rhetoric, the anti-police rhetoric that was fomented on college campuses essentially led to a race riot,

in Kenosha, Wisconsin. So if you lived in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in otherwise small city, now you have to deal with the consequences of the radicalization that ultimately peaked at the end of the Obama era, and we are now dealing with the spin-off of that. So we must, as Americans, be concerned with what is going on in our country, not just at our doorstep or what can affect us personally because we don't have the foresight to predict whether or not any such thing is going to end up at our doorstep. And at this point, I'll take a bet that if it's a massive organization of education, it will. It will eventually end up at your doorstep. We have to fight them over there so that we don't have to fight them over here. Wow. Thank you. I had forgotten just how

bad the Bush years were. One thing I will say is that one thing that I noticed right after 10-7 was that Ben Shapiro started going to college campuses. And the moron, the moron who is just, you know, loves Ben knocking down purple hairy wildebeests on campus over woke stuff. was like, oh, look at him, he's just going to, no, he understood that if the Zionists and the Jews lost the college campuses, that they're losing the college campuses, they have to get it back. That's why he went back to the college campus. Can you, I mean, do people understand if college campuses get reorganized? If this stuff gets restructured so that it's even mildly pro-Zionist, they've got the next generation. We're celebrating that the boomers are going to die, and their 80% approval rate of pro-Israel is going to go with them,

and then it goes down and down and down. Well, now you're going to have a new generation coming out who are going to be basically believe this about Israel, or you don't get good grades. I mean, I don't even know if it would go that far. It may just go as far as to be, we will destroy your life. We will, or it's just something sort of subtle.

And I think, and that's one of the reasons why I like having you on to talk about this is because, you know, the guys on my side, you know, hear, if they hear, like, they hear Scott Adams just absolutely going off about Israel and going, fuck you on this anti-Semitism law, fuck you. I will say, tell me what I'm not allowed to say and I'll say it every day. And then Scott says, I love Israel. I love the Jews, and my guys throw their hands up and go, oh, oh my God. Look at him.

Look at him. He's not one of us. Well, a fucking course. He's not one of you, you dumb shit. He's not even talking to you. When he went on his rant about blacks two years ago, I mean, elites listen to him. They're gauging what's going on. They're like, huh, if someone like Scott Adams is talking like this, maybe I need to look at

this. Believe me, Scott Adams, like, I would say that probably the average income of his audience is higher than that, yeah, for sure. A lot, a lot higher than anyone on the dissident right, probably. Yeah. They're hearing this message. They're here. They have to start somewhere. You know, and it's like, and when I hear people just talk about how they would like to see these leftists crushed, where I'm like, I'm also like, okay, I mean, these people aren't, these people aren't my friends. No. And neither is, neither is the other side. No. So that's why I stress the word nominal when I talk about any sort of alliance.

It has to be on a particular issue. It cannot be anything else. and you cannot diverge from talking about it in that particular language. Otherwise, you will lose it because they don't think. Leftists really don't think they just kind of act. So if you can kind of trick them into being on your side, you may be able to steer them in the bright way. But yeah, that's why I stress nominal.

This is not an actual friendship that will ever be cultivated. There's too much other forms of disagreement. They have no loyalty to America or to traditional values. This is specifically an anti-colonial movement. Yeah, but if you realize that movements like this can shift the pieces on the board of how elites are looking to play the game, then you at least don't counter signal it and you at least call out everything you possibly can to get people. The only goal here is to show that Jewish power exists, that it is how exactly how powerful it is to show people who don't know this. That's the problem with people who listen to podcasts, you know, who listen to their favorite podcaster. They're not listening. Most people aren't listening to podcasters they disagree with.

They're just, they're stuck. And it hasn't escaped me as someone who came from libertarianism. people on the dissident writer, just libertarians. In that, they're complete purists. They have like every, like, they purity spiral like crazy. Like, they throw their hands up when you, you know, if they're going to throw their hands up at some of the stuff you've said, because you haven't, because you haven't come here and you haven't thrown up a Roman or, you know, you haven't thrown up a Roman or you haven't, you know, you haven't expressed your, you haven't expressed your love for an Austrian painter. He was such a sensitive guy who loved his mom. It was so I was, yeah, what an interesting

guy that Austrian painter was. Love dogs too. Yeah, and he had a strong relationship with a male friend. Strong. Oh, stop that. You sound, now you sound like Yarvan. But the, but yeah, I just don't get how everybody thinks that they're going to. to, you know, it's like, oh, we're going to fight this head on. There won't be, it's like, all war is by deception. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah.

Yeah. This is war. Yeah. We're like literally in a war. And like, we are the proxy. People don't realize that we are the proxy in the situation. They're used to looking at us being the one controlling the proxies in other places. You're seeing the proxy conflicts going on in the United States right now.

the real war is going on over there. And both sides are vying for us to be their proxy. Absolutely. Yeah. All right, man. Good conversation. Thank you for putting up with me through all of my, you saw the power came back on about a half hour ago, right?

I did. I'm glad you have your power back on, and I'm sorry that you live in Pretoria. I'm sorry that that had to be a move for you. Well, I got to shut off the damn generator. It's making so much noise. I'm using my mute button liberally here to make sure it's not getting picked up on the audio file. All right.

Tell everybody how they can find. And tell everybody what you do. And I really don't know what you do anymore. Before I do I, before I do that, I want to ask you one question before I do that. Sure. Who is the farthest left person that you think you could get on this show? Caleb Moppin. I don't even know who that is.

Is he quite left or is he, is that like a not very left person? He's a tankie. Oh, yeah, so you can't even get a, well, you don't need a bottom left on the show. Yeah, I think it would be very interesting to see you have someone who's quite far on the left on this show and talk about exactly the same things and see how they communicate. You were just talking about people listening to podcasters and the only people that they only agree with. I'd be really interesting to have a conversation like that. So that would be pretty cool to see. Me, I'm just a newsman, so I can't get anybody like that on.

The last time I tried to talk to somebody who said that they were like a communist or something like that. I knew more about communism than they did. It was pathetic. Yeah. You need like Norm Finkelstein or sign on. You need someone like that. Anyway, what are my plugs? What do I do?

I'm a newsman. I cover the news. That's all I do. and was that you like blessing me you went I'm sorry to hear that it was me just like getting a quick migraine thinking of you as a newsman yeah well I'm America's number one newsman

I track the most possible topics yeah go listen to Timeline Earth you can find it on any podcaster we cover the news and then go over to our Patreon which is similarly named and pay me money. That would be excellent.

Thank you. Well, I appreciate it, and I want to say, I want to thank all your patrons who make it so that you can be home in the middle of the day so that when I have a, when I need an interview, I can bring you up and be like, hey, what are you doing? Yeah, nobody, besides the podcast, nobody knows what I do for money, and some days neither do I, and I like it that way. Thanks, Berto.

Appreciate it. Peace.