The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1054: Zionist Beginnings and Ends(?) w/ Joe Atwill

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

66 MinutesPG -13Joseph Atwill is an author and co-host of the weekly "Powers and Principalities" episode of the Our Interesting Times podcast with Tim Kelly.Joe joins Pete to give his thoughts on the campus protests and give a primer on the history of Zionism. He also addresses Israel's influence going forward.Our Interesting Times podcastVIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Joe at Will. How are you doing, Joe? I'm just fine, Pete. Thanks for having me back. Well, I look forward to talking to you about this. I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday about what's going on on the campuses. I guess we can get into talking about HB 6090, but since we, before we started recording, we started getting into the campuses and everything.

This HB 6090, where do you think they're taking this? Where do you think they're going with this? What's the intention with this? Well, I think that, correct me if I'm wrong, that's the bill where they're trying to basically make it illegal to protest, and they've got penalties for, you know, I mean, I'm, there's so many, there's different bills that are being considered. Explain that one to me, so I know what you're talking about.

This is specifically the one that falls under Title VI. It would be campus protest. It would be campus anti-Semitism. Yeah. A friend of mine who I recorded with yesterday, he said that basically what this, what he sees as the worst part of this bill as far as if it was just to stay under Title VI and not come off of the campuses, it's basically creating a list. They're creating lists.

Is that the no-fly zone list? Well, it would probably, they'd probably find it to be able to apply its other things. There's several bills. One of the bills is quite ridiculous in that it creates a no-fly list. for people who are basically, you know, fit into these criteria of protests that they define as being threatening in some way. And it happens. Because anybody who is saying stop bombing kids in Palestine is obviously going to be the next underwear or shoe bomber, right? Sure, sure.

Of course. It's natural. I mean, it's just, but what was interesting about the bill that I'm referring to is that, it had as one of the ways that you could get that this categorization and be put into a no-fly list is if the institution in which you were protesting, the campus, the college, if it censored you somehow or put you on some kind of list for having violated campus protocol, then that would be good enough to put you on the federal government's no-weigh. fly list, which of course is, I mean, just completely unconstitutional because, you know, you're convicting here without any kind of due process. You're letting some kind of bureaucrat on a college

campus make these decisions without, you know, anything to back it up. So it's very dangerous. And it shows to me all of the laws and also the police reaction. I mean, you have to contrast what's going on the campuses today with the BLM riots. The BLM riots were basically left unchecked to a large extent. Tremendous amount of damage was done, very, very few arrests. And the media portrayed them, if not just neutrally, but in some cases in favor of them, showing all of this justification for historical police violence against African Americans.

But in any case, you have to contrast that with the situation on the campuses where in some of the videos I've seen, the people are just sitting there, standing there, and the police come in and really bust it up. So why the difference, why the distinction? And you can see it's just that they don't want these protests, to basically unify and then become a kind of political force which would ask for more scrutiny of Israel's behavior. I mean, this is really, to be honest, what is occurring here. And I would suggest that really what they don't want to have thought about or considered

or certainly not put in some sort of independent review would be what happened on October the seventh you know I you know you have this problem you know which is kind of our modern-day version of Plato's cave you know which I call the boy with the computer you don't really know once you know it hits the computer screen what was in back of it there are so many different forces controlling the information we get what is really real in our world I mean we we looked at the events on October 7th the invasion and you know you can immediately see many inexplicable elements the first is how did Hamas breach the Israeli border security 30 times I'm not sure if you've ever

read Lowenstein's book which documents the security system but he points out it's so perfect that Israel sells it as a product to other nations so it's a very developed border security technology, it uses artificial intelligence. It has, I mean, it's secret. I mean, Loenstein gives some impressions of it, but it is so secure that it really can't be breached at all. There was one Israeli former IDF member, a woman, who came forward and said that she didn't think,

you know, like a pigeon could get across the border without being noticed, you know. And so she had worked within the system. So she was confused as to how it could be breached so many times. And I mean, in several cases with bulldozers, I mean, this isn't exactly hiding or stealthy. So this is the first thing we'd have to, you know, make a determination about is, did the Israelis, you know, basically allow these people to come across the border to create kind of a false flag pretext for genocide? The other inexplicable thing is the first images that came to us were of the rave party.

And you had Palestinian or Hamas terrorists coming into this rave party and shooting people up. And the first images that were broadcasts were of the dancers of the rave party, which were these beautiful European women in kind of exotic clothing, one of whom was captured and then killed and her body, was taken in a car. But they had these photographs of her from some kind of earlier Instagram account, which were vivid examples of how sexy and she was,

and how beautiful. And then you had the images of the Hamas invaders in hang gliders. So really, Pete, what you have there is basically the formation of a very bad Chuck Norris movie. I mean, this is ludicrous. And that's exactly what it was. It was constructed, in my opinion, to create the most powerful emotional impressions so that the world would see Hamas as a villain within a Chuck Norris movie, just as evil as could possibly be imagined. And then you had the raping of women and the beheading of babies, right?

These were the next, I guess, military goals of the Hamas terrorists that were being broadcast to the world. Well, in review, I mean, the Gray Zone did a good job of this. They pointed out that eventually it came to pass that, well, the rapes didn't really occur. At least it couldn't be documented. The one famous example that the woman was being used as sort of the poster rapy, this was debunk. Her family had actually been on the phone with her just before she was killed and they said no she there was no rape And then the beheaded baby business simply disappeared there was no you know forensic evidence of this So what had occurred was is you had you know an enormous amount of

you know psychological trauma given to the world in which we were supposed to a dental with the Israelis, the Hamas were evil beyond anything imaginable. And so this was the configuration. But it's inexplicable because really Hamas, what was its purpose in such an invasion? I mean, was it just to be had babies or to kill LSD, you know, kind of tranced out dancers? I mean, so why would they do such an invasion? an invasion, knowing full well, of course, that you would have an Israeli counterattack

because they would now have the pretext, which would be a mass genocide. So this just makes no sense. And then of course you have the inexplicable financial relationships between Israel and Hamas, which are well documented and longstanding. Hamas is sort of the equivalent of Al-Qaeda to the United States. was funded and propped up by Israel. They claimed that they needed a counterweight to the Arab Brotherhood, which they saw as more radical.

But then the question is, well, when did Israel lose control or lose its influence inside of Hamas? Because perhaps it didn't. Now, many Palestinians complain that Hamas is not a legitimate representative of the people, that the elections are draconian, they're rigged. There really isn't the chance for any kind of opposition party. So all of this as just a collection of facts seems to indicate that there's a really strong possibility that what happened on October 7th was just a false flag, which was then added to with some psychological concepts to create horror in the world public.

And thereby give Israel this pretext. for genocide. Now, this would be very logical, wouldn't it, because anyone who's familiar with the history of Zionism would know that from 1880 to the present day, the Zionists have been perfectly intent on setting up a Jewish state without any occupants,

that were not Jews. There's a tremendous book I recommend called The Expulsion of the Palestinians by Nurem Rasaela. And he has collected the letters of the lead Zionists who exchange information among themselves. And the letters make it perfectly clear that there was never any attempt or even any idea of entertaining the possibility of having

anyone inside the state of Israel that they were creating who wasn't a Jew. So basically you have a racial, religious state being established by the Zionists, step by step from 1880 forward, which always had as a moral principle that it was all right to steal and commit violence against the Palestinians. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not using those expressions, you know, euphemistically. I'm telling you, read the letters, and you can see that it is absolutely documented, that those were understood principles that they were going to use against the Palestinians to create their state. You know, I could segue here into the actual history of Zionism, but which doesn't begin with Herzl, which many people think, you know, that Herzl was manifesting some kind of rabbinical. impulse and that the Jews were long-standing, you know, kind of had this long-sending desire to have their homeland in Israel, but this is completely false. The Zionist project,

as it became the State of Israel, actually began in 1840 with Lord Palmerston, who was the British Prime Minister, but moreover he was a Grandmaster Freemason. And this is really where Zionism comes from. Palmerston stated publicly in 1840 that now is the time for the Jews to return to their homeland. And this was, as the one whit put it, this was news to the Jews. They had no idea that now was the time. They were actually, at that point, having their best century in Europe and were quite well on the road to full integration. But Palmer and his allies, which were the Grandmaster Freemasons and the Rothschild family,

they had this idea that they were going to set up the state of Israel, and it was going to be a homeland for Jews. And so from 1840 to 1880, you had this period, what I call the proto-Zionism, where the Freemasons did a number of surveys of the Holy Land, as they referred to it. And the surveys were done to give them understanding about what was in Judea, what needed to be conquered, what were the resources,

how could they set up the state? And this went on decade after decade. There were dozens of these surveys, analyzing, studying, trying to come to conclusions, which would eventually be used by the Zionists, the information was passed on to them, as to how to set Israel up. What where was where the farms that were the most beneficial things like this? Anyway, so then that group faded and they created Herzl. Now Herzl, who is seen as a father of Zionism, this is a preposterous idea because Herzl was basically an employee of the proto-Zionists.

He had always been in there, their sphere. He had his nickname was Tancred when he was at the university. And Tancred is a character in a novel by Disraeli, who is kind of a Zionist wanting to establish a homeland. And so he'd always been part of this group. And in fact, his first speeches were literally copies of speeches that Disraeli had made, the proto-Zionists, back in Britain. So anyway, it transitioned from a British Freemason project to something that had the veneer of a Jewish kind of national movement. And then, you know, you got into the present trajectory of Zionism.

But what's interesting, the part that I often mention to people is that in order to achieve this, in order to make Zionism Jewish, they had to actually overcome the theological position. of reform Judaism, which was the popular Judaism of the era. In the 19th century, it was the dominant theological Judaism. And it was anti-Zionist. See, this is very important to understand. You had people like Abraham Geiger, a very important reform Judaism intellectual, who was writing things like, you know,

we need to take the Hebraic prophets and make their vision something that benefits the whole world is literally the opposite of Zionism they were talking about opening up judaism as a kind of monotheistic multiculturalism right well isn't that isn't that what some are doing today with uh tecgonolum well sure i mean in other words there is kind of a reaction now but the the thing was imagine if how different the world had been if reformed zionism had been the political manifestation of the jews and it would just be a totally different world So it was a shame that that group was basically done away with. The proto-Zionists actually hired people to go to the different synagogues and congregations

and gin up interest in creating Zionism and the state of Israel. So understanding that, understanding Freemason's relationship to the creation of Zionism then makes the second wave, the Jewish wave, comprehensible because everything hinged Pete on the on the exchange between Hussein and McMahon McMahon was the British planet potential he negotiated with Hussein a deal and this was at the beginning of World War I and the deal was if Hussein who was the kind of the leader of the Arab race I suppose you could call it a religion because it was Islamic.

But he was actually, that wasn't like he was a president or elected, but he was representing them, and he was known as the most important figure. He had most of the political power was this, you know, he controlled. And he worked a deal with the British, wherein if the Arab people would leave the Ottoman Empire en masse and side with the British in the coming war, that the British would then give to them political control over what they called Greater Arabia. Okay.

So this was the deal, and the Arabs lived up to the agreement. They actually fought against the Ottomans, and they paid the blood price, Pete. they had over 100,000 fatalities and a half million casualties fighting against the Brits. So they paid the blood price and then we're shocked when the Balfour Declaration came out saying that this area was, or Palestine, could be a potential homeland for the Jews because they thought this was directly contradicting the agreement they had.

Now this was the premier lie. If you don't understand the this law, you cannot understand sort of the whole struggle between the Palestinians and the Israelis. But you have to remember that this was in December of 1915. And McMahon, who was the premier freemason of the region, he wasn't just a general, he was a general, but he was also, you know, in Britain you have this dual political trajectory where you have freemasonry and then the secular government, but they all. intersect in so many ways and McMahon was the premier freemason of the region and he was the one who did the negotiation with Hussein and then following his his exchange of letters and uh and

hussein's understanding you know that they were going to give control over Arabia um you know McMahon um uh actually uh claim that well it was just there was some confusion and and people have said, well, look, we've gone through the letters. There doesn't seem to be much confusion. Semantuses go through these things, and they call it the British contradictory agreements. In other words, they were seemingly giving it one area to two different people, which in fact they were. But it was just a crude lie. And thank heavens, there was a letter by McMahon, which he sent to another Mason, and it came into the public domain at some point. point. And he clarifies completely what went on between he and Hussein. And I actually can quote it.

And he said that, he said that, you know, I don't for one moment go to the length of imagining that the present negotiations, the letters he's exchanging, will shape the future of Arabia or establish our rights or bind our hands in that country. What we have to arrive at, and this is the most critical sentence in terms of the history of Zion. He says, what we have to arrive at now is to tempt the Arab people into the right path, detach them from the enemy, and bring them on to our side. This, on our part, is largely a matter of words. So you see, they were successful. They did tempt the Arabs into the right path, which is to siding. the British and the World War I, detaching them from the enemy. But then after the fact, it turned out that they were lying, largely a matter of words. So McMahon's letter of 1915, I think,

that's the most important document because it clarifies everything. The British had maneuvered the Arabs into fighting for them with the promise of having political control over their native lands. And in fact, reneged on it, lied, stole the land, and then the Balford Declaration came out. And suddenly, then the British sided with the Zionists militarily and worked to basically continue the process of driving the Palestinians out of the region. So it isn't really an exaggeration to say, you know, that Israel is a nation that was based on a why, unfortunately. And the struggle then to set up, you know, an ethnically Jewish state has, you know, has just

continued to the present day. So when you understand the trajectory and kind of the reality of Zionism, you can look at the present moment. you know the October 7th you know invasion and you can very much suspect that it is just a false flag right because if it's a false flag it's just much more rational you don't have all these inexplicable elements to the story right you know you it suddenly everything in the story is coherent it's just this is just that these things were you know the the invasion uh even though they would they knew they couldn't succeed, the first military objective being a rave conference.

I mean, these things make perfect sense in a false flag scenario. They make no sense at all as legitimate foreign policy of Hamas. So it just makes a lot more sense. And then moreover, if you put that, the concept of the false flag into the overall structure of this process with all of the lying, then suddenly you understand that you're dealing in Israel with a nation that is in the control of people who are nihilists, right? I mean, that's the obvious description of them. And they're under a kind of, I would call it trance of Deuteronomy in which, you know,

you have these violent instructions from God. And this is not really an exaggeration. Netanyahu actually described the Palestinians just two weeks ago as Amalek. Now, people not familiar with the Bible will probably not catch the significance, but what he was referring to is the Amaleks were an ethnicity that were struggled against the Israelites during the Exodus. And God had told the Israelites that they should exterminate the Amaleks down to the last child. You see, down to the last child. This is, of course, right in the scripture.

So for Netanyahu to use that term during a period in which he's being criticized for genociting children en masse, is, you know, it can't really be described as insensitive, can it? I mean, it's really just the kind of nihilistic position of someone who is fine with genocide, right? It's like a religious principle. So this is the situation we're facing in Gaza. What you're looking at is the conclusion of the process begun in 1840 with the Grand, the Freemasons, who wanted to have the state of Israel recreated. And there was no moral restraint in order to achieve it.

They could kill, slaughter anyone. And, of course, lie. I mean, you know, you obviously can't believe anything that any politician says, I suppose, at this point. But, you know, Netanyahu is kind of obviously seen by many people as particularly good at lying. And so we have a condition where you have the genocide is ongoing. I mean, today they actually went deeper into Rafah, the Israeli, the IDF with the tanks.

And there is not really the kind of response from the world governments that one would expect, because this is just, I don't know, just the slaughter of a population, men, women, and children who are defenseless. And so, you know, the protests on the campus that are in the United States and in Europe, I mean, are, and in Israel, too, incidentally. There are, you know, tremendous number of righteous Jews that they kind of recognize that this is, you know, not the sort of moral structure they want to live within.

So they're in opposition to Netanyahu. But this group, however it is organized, this kind of secret society, has enough political power and media control so that we're sitting here and the Palestinian population is being exterminated. And really, there's just, you know, quibbling over details going on between the United States and the UN and, you know, no one is really doing much. So I would hope that the protests not only continue, and I presume they will, because the clear plan here

is to reduce Gaza to depopulated, so the process will go on for a bit longer. So hopefully the protests will as well, but also that the protest could become a little more sort of focused as to the objective. And I think we should be demanding that there be an investigation of October the 7th. I don't think that if it is a true investigation, which if it was something that was brought about by a world organization like the UN or something, ICC, I mean, you would have the opportunity for people to go in and do some analysis and investigations. And I think that there would be enough cracks in the story that has been told to us

that some real investigation could uncover the truth of all this. And if that happened, then, you know, and Israel was then shown to have conducted a false flag, and that the breaching of its border technology, border security technology that it claimed was impossible, then you would have Netanyahu in his group exposed as evil, and I think there would be enough still righteousness in the world that you could bring this to an end. And I always want to, when I go into these discussions, I always want to mention, Pete, that obviously one of the criticisms

that will be presented is that the claims I'm making anti-Semitic that they come from a bad place in my heart and not you know or not some of a good place in my mind um so you know i i think it's important to remember that um what we want to do is just to try to stay as socratic as possible to use an expression you know we want to try to keep this um just in facts we don't really need to. And when such charges are made, they're really, I think, being done with the idea of shutting down the debate, right? This is what the whole purpose of these charges, that people who are protesting are fomenting anti-Semitism. Well, this seems like it's sophistry to me, because if they are really convinced about this, then they should welcome.

investigation they should welcome discussion they wouldn't want to shut it down with expressions like anti-semitism and holocaust denial and things like this um if their position is rational it can be defended so let them defend it i mean it's it when you have this many dead people slaughtered you know civilians being slaughtered by mechanized you know military activity it you have to have some kind of investigation and human should just be demanding it. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th

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regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. Oh, there's a lot there. There's a lot I could jump off from. But I think what I would say is when you look at the extent that they're going to, calling anything, calling any question anti-Semitism, questioning numbers, anti-Semitism, any of this, you really have to go back to the fact that the first half of the 20th century had two wars and basically the purpose of those wars. was to institute worldwide multiculturalism, at least multiculturalism in the West.

And when you are specifically responsible for, if not the whole war, country is getting into those wars, definitely the United States and World War I, World War II, obviously through the focus group and they're controlled over Churchill, what you're looking at is you're looking at a world that they created, where there are not going to be any ethno-states. There are not going to be any militarized countries militarizing unless it's on their behalf. And that's why the United States can become the biggest military in the world

because they're always going to have Israel's back. That's why Israel can basically become what the Reich was on their way to be coming. an ethno state with a large military able to fend off their enemies. And then you take into consideration they've spent the last 80 years indoctrinating, especially in schools and especially in the academy, that ethno states are evil and that warring nations are evil. How is this not going to come back at them and bite them in the ass at some point when there everything that they have set up the West and hearts and minds in the West to decry?

There's no way it cannot. I mean, it's the only thing they can hope for is just worldwide cognitive dissidents. I mean, they are in, you know, the multiculturalism and the destruction of European ethnicities is, you know, obviously comes through, you know, cultural Marxism. So many of the people who are promoting it and have promoted it have Jewish backgrounds. And yet, where is their criticism of the state of Israel, which is not just an ethno kind of nation are attempting to be, but is using violence to achieve it? I mean, so this is what, whenever I'm in, you know, in discussion with, you know, someone about, you know, I take the position that ethnicity was attacked because it was a political force that the Judeo-Masonic oligarchs saw as something that, you know, could challenge them.

And so they are in the process of destroying it. But when I am in discussion on that with Jews, I always ask them, I go, well, obviously, since you're posing my promotion of the retention of ethnicity as a way, you know, to retain democracy and something that has a positive value, and you think this is wrong, you must be in opposition to Israel. Can you show me, you know, some documentation about where you've challenged the Israelis, who are are far in a way that the greatest proponents of the ethno state that we have on the planet, where is your, you know, because this would be the bona fide so I can take you seriously, you see. So I don't, I won't take the position that you're just being, you know, just a sophist trying

to like bamboozle me with, you know, some idea about, well, you know, there's some inherent evil inside of European ethnicity. Because, you know, in order to have sort of the clear objective playing field, you've got to also now level these criticisms against Israel. But they never have it, you see. So it is the world that, you know, could come about from this whole process is one in which Israel would be the only ethno kind of state that, that, that, exists and would have tremendous political power throughout the world over the fragmented humanity that was still on the planet because the process that we've been in very much has accelerated you know i mean you talk about war war one war two but then consider like the cultural revolution

and the you know sex drug and roll sex drug and rock and roll culture right the counterculture i mean this this was you know obviously in opposition to you know European civilization you know sexual restraint ethnic pride things like that but it it it ends up with individuals who are isolated right you have a pornographic males I call them and single moms are just single women you know because more less and less are having children well these individuals I mean how how much political power are they able to achieve for themselves? You see what I mean?

It's they've clearly been maneuvered into a position of political impotence. Most of them don't even have any understanding or concern about politics. It's like a world that exists in some other dimension. They're interested in TikToks and some scam to try to gin up some money, but they don't have a concern about the political structure that they live within very much. very few so anyway so this is what it has led to and I think now we can see that it was an attack it was a you know critical theory attacking European cultures European ethnicities using the technique of just criticizing every single thing about them and

never putting any of it into context right of which like you know well a woman has a bad time being a wife and a mother it's not as glamorous as being you know this like a breadwinner but then they don't mention that the overall civilization is so much better to live in if there's family and not you know single mom with children that isn't ever brought up in the discussion you know you don't you don't have context you don't have like a like an overall understanding of reality how the different things are all related you just they just isolate on a single point, criticize it, create feminism, and then move on to the next area of culture they can destroy. So that's the process that we've been living in. And I think now people can

understand that it has led to, you know, dysfunctional humans. I mean, you walk around our cities now and you can see that. Obviously, they're, you know, they are in trouble. And of course, the immigration into Europe and into the United States has been weaponized, obviously, and is part of the way that the remnants of sort of European ethnic political power can be diluted and eventually done away with completely. So, you know, this is just a condition of a world. and I would hope that, you know, the situation in Gaza is just a clarifying moment. And people from that will realize a kind of courage that we have to find in ourselves to keep in existence the sort of culture that we can actually survive within. There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky,

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Well, I mean, I think there is some hope there. When you and I did an episode, we talked about the authoritarian personality, and you talk about this all the time, that the plan to weaken the West, especially morally, was to use the concept of eros. And we've already talked about multiculturalism. And anyone who really takes a good look at Israel will realize that Israel, even though it's an ethno state, is a very multicultural country. Tel Aviv is known as the gayest city in the world. what is more Eros than this music festival that was happening there? Right, right. They can't, they can't last.

They can't, if they want to be an ethno state, and then you can always come back to the whole thing about how, you know, no Jewish civilization ever lasts longer than 80 years, and they're at, what, 74, 78 now, 77, 78 now. They've just set themselves up for failure, because they've embraced in their homeland, probably through hubris, what they forced it upon the West. Yeah, I mean, they're not infallible.

I mean, they have chutzpah, to use an expression. But frankly, I think a lot of their techniques are really ham-handed and will come back to hurt themselves. And I think Israel is probably a pretty good example of it. And I, from time to time, do podcasts in Israel. And my sense is, is that it is a cauldron of kind of unrealized passions that are bubbling up. You have to kind of think of it structurally to get to, you know, have a sense of it, is that they can never, the Judeo-Masonic kind of oligarchic class,

which is trying to take control of the world and has to, of the political, class to a large extent. But they can never be honest publicly. See what I mean? This L has to be done behind closed doors. And the gap, the distance between their behavior, their planning, their kind of technology, what they're using it for, and what the public believes is just getting greater and greater. You see, the public is starting to catch on in a general sense to the fact that there's this wall, this absolute barrier between the public in Israel and in the United States and in Europe and the kind of the world of the oligarchs. I mean, you know, the veneer gets lifted sometimes.

You know, you get to see these satanic parties, you know, or sometimes referred to. and there's there is some really lurid sort of information about the old arcs that come out where you can see that they are nihilists right and um but the the distance between what how they live how they think what they plan and then what the public must know is gets greater and greater and at some point the public starts i think can have some kind of perspective the distance creates some perspective and And so they can see that really these people are just nihilists who are, you know, have rationales for their own, you know, kind of political power, but really aren't taking humanity to any place that's coherent or good.

They're just, you know, out in it for themselves. And this is really, in my opinion, the great hope is that as they go forward, they reach kind of diminishing returns where they use these propaganda means and when they use them they are so you know kind of obviously false that they have a kind of a diminishing returns instead of the propaganda you know cowing the public down intimidating them and stopping thinking which is really the purpose of them it actually has an opposite effect and i'll just point out one obvious fact so you can kind of see what the process we're in is I've never known a single person that kind of entered into the world of sort of independent information, right?

Where for example, they'd be questioning the government's version of 911, right? Someone who's got to that level. I've never known a single one of these people to go backwards. No one ever goes back into the darkness. Once you come to the point where you can just wonder about the symmetrical collapse of Building 7 and go, you know, it doesn't make any sense, the story there. Once you've gotten your mind that clear, you are literally lost to oligarchic propaganda control. They just won't work as well anymore, you see?

So these are the hopeful elements that we have, is that people aren't going back, the understanding that the government is a secret society, that there is a whole world that we're not being let into, which is the world of our controllers, is becoming more and more visible, more and more people are aware of it. And hopefully this can be quickly organized politically,

so that, well, as an example, so that we can demand that there be a real investigation of October the 7th, you know, as one example. Well, I think when you have, something like that happened. And you have a leader like Netanyahu who was on the down, he was, it was his downfall. He was getting ready to be brought up on charges. He's low, low approval rating.

Because remember, I mean, there are people in Israel who just don't like Netanyahu. They see him as far right wing. They see him as something of the past. there are people in Israel who want the country to be, you know, if not more open to the rest of the world. I mean, I'm not talking about it. They want open borders, but they want to be more like the rest of the world. They don't want to seem like this, you know, like this religious oligarchy, which they're really not. I mean, a lot of secular.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Yahoo does not believe in the old, does not believe the Old Testamentist, the word of God. But he certainly uses it as a roadmap for. ruling and for destroying his enemies. Yeah, absolutely. And you see, one of the key tricks is this anti-expression, anti-Semitic meme that they roll out. Netanyahu's

always, you know, uses it every time he sees criticized for being a murderous nihilist. But it's important to kind of keep the semantics straight. I always, I tried to, you know, make this more visible and popular in the independent media and that you have to be sure that you're not really talking about the Jews in a general sense here. People can use that expression and they actually mean the regime that is genocidal and racist, right? They're not really talking about Jews in a general sense. So they need to use the expression right. We're really talking about

is the Zionist regime and the political apparatus around it that created it and supported it. And this regime is on its face. It is racist. It's xenophobic. It is genocidal, right? So this is what we want to get rid of. They want to play this, you know, three-handed money thing where they're saying, well, you know, you're opposed to the Jewish people. This is anti-sense. Semitism, you have to make sure that we always clarify this point. It is just the regime. It is just the regime and the apparatus that has created and supported it. That is the evil.

And I think that, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I would bet less than half of the Israeli population would actually support kind of Netanyahu-type nihilism. You know, there is a problem with Judaism. I won't hesitate to mention it. The religion has a scripture which basically can easily produce people like Netanyahu. I mean, you read the Old Testament and you see that it is, you know, it produces xenophobia of violence toward others, you know, advocates that God is giving them permission to exterminate

children and ethnicities. And it's a horror story. And you know, you're probably familiar with my position on Christian. Christianity that this scripture, you know, the New Testament is just oligarchic propaganda. And the fact is that so is the Old Testament. It's exact same thing. This is where the Romans got the idea. If you look at, you know, the stories in Deuteronomy, what you've got is a leader wanting military activity out of the population

and giving them the impression with the scripture that this is ordained by God. right so he's using a kind of a religious principle as motivation for you know these guys basically walking into a hellacious military situation which will benefit the oligarch right who will then say well you know our people you know our land but he of course retains his power most of you know the the whole abrahamic traditions in my opinion is all you know based in And it's a flim flam from the oligarchs who are really interested in power. And it's the public is vulnerable to this, you know, the religious scripture. And so this is why they use this stuff.

But in the present moment, you know, when, as I said, when you have Netanyahu appealing to the Jews understanding of Amalek, which is. basically saying that God is giving us permission to genocide children. You know, you can see that we have a real problem, and Judaism has a problem. The reform Jews tried to address it. They were trying to broaden Judaism. I've never really read kind of how they were going to deal with Deuteronomy and, you know, with numbers and the kind of genocidal, you know,

kind of permission from God, you know, that the scripture has. I don't know how they were going to retain their religion and still have that same scripture, but their heart was in the right place, and they were moving in the right direction. And one would hope that there is still that spirit alive somewhere inside the Jewish people, that they can stand up not only against the oligarchs, but against the scripture. You see what I mean? Because we want to move forward. we have to really kind of make our minds as clear as possible and we can't have a large fraction of the population succumbing to, you know, the religious text of the Abrahamic traditions.

It's just, it's not going to work. Those texts are designed to create, you know, kind of psychological malevolence and they will continue to do so as long as they're taken seriously. I always found it interesting that you held those views and that you and Tim get along and have a podcast again. Yeah, he's about Catholic. Because, you know, the thing is, is that we, you can see that we don't really need to have, like, unification of theology to understand that in our secular situation, culture, Christian culture, is very, very valuable and needs to be defended. And European ethnicity, you know, that promoted it and used it, needs to have, needs to retain a lot of the aspects. I mean, you know, you don't need to be a devout Catholic to understand that religious, excuse me, sexual restraint is absolutely necessary for family and civilization, right? So these are the critical secular issues.

And in that area, Tim and I, I think we don't have much disagreement. And we just don't talk about the theological stuff. We wouldn't agree. He's a very devout Catholic. But I'm not. But nevertheless, we have, you know, we're facing a common problem. And I think actually, you know, like, and I've said, and people, other people said this, that actually it's kind of useful for he and I to be together doing our podcast because

that's sort of an example of the unification that we need to do. We can't just keep, you know, certain sects of Christians and some, you know, secular critics of, you know, cultural Marxism. We can't keep them in little boxes. We need to unify. So, you know, Tim and I can unify enough to, you know, put out our shows and hopefully have some, you know, value as a whole. I think this is an example for everyone, you know, that we have to, you know, It's such a dire moment for Europeans, right? I mean, you have the Ukrainian genocide going on.

The situation in Gaza, you've got the First Amendment, which is necessary, you know, for resistance under attack. I mean, we really need to, it's an all-handswork party, and we have to try to find the things that unify us rather than the things which we can disagree about. Yeah, and I would just say that, you know, as a Catholic myself, if I would allow anything like this to shake my faith, then my faith is, you know, should be called that question. And the faith should, I mean, at this point, I mean, look, faith is always an issue, and it is obviously critically important. I'm not denying any of that. I'm just saying my understanding of the text, and you can read Caesar's Messiah if you're

curious about my understanding, is that all of the texts of the Abrahamic tradition, are steeped to some degree, you know, in oligarchic propaganda. It's just my position. I don't take a position on theology or on, I mean, in my books or in public discussion. It's none of my business. What I'm looking for is just the things we can unify around, you know? I mean, that's, and I think that, you know, the secularists, you know, on, on campuses who are, you know, who have, who have cultural issues should see that the Palestinians, right, who are protesting are really, this is a movement, a political movement that can be broad rather than a narrow focus on a single issue. It should be broad. It should broaden out to include

all of the, you know, things like vaccine mandates, you know, attack of the First Amendment. I mean, they're all, Pete, these things ultimately are all, part of the same thing. I mean, you are enslaved or you aren't. And the things that enslave you, we have to all resist as a group. Couldn't agree with you more. You know, I always tell people, like there are going to be people who are upset at what you said today, but you're not attacking. You're not saying, you know, that religion should be done away with. You're just expressing your opinion. I have no problem being on the same side as people. who don't agree with me on issues such as faith,

as long as we're not attacking each other. Absolutely. And the thing is more, and this is an area that they can use to divide us with. You see, think of how women and men were put at one another, right? Even though you can see that there is, in fact, strength and unification, family is obviously creates greater, in general, living conditions than single individuals, right, in apartments, you know? I mean, it just makes, it's obvious. So to me, the question is, is how can, and I've also like, I work with another Catholic named David Schmidt,

and I was trying to get him to get a hold of Bishop Vagano during the COVID mandate and the lockdowns. And Vagano, I'm sure you're familiar with him, he had, I thought he was a clearest thinker that we had who put out the very best kind of news about what was real in terms of the mandates and the vaccine and even COVID itself, you know. And so I was going to, I was trying to give him my idea that what he needed to do was to, would be to schism. He should simply reject the present College of Cardinals and the Pope, current Pope, and say, you know, because they are simply so satanic, it's a waste of time being involved with them. And I'm setting up another Catholicism and inviting righteous Catholics to enter into this new political version of Catholicism,

which can resist tyranny, instead of just going along with it. And one of the reasons I really want to do that is because I recognize that probably the greatest strength we have, going forward at the present time is the organization potential of Christianity. I mean, if you look at the numbers and of the quality of the individuals and how it has cultural potential because of its ability to produce families, I mean, it's just essential to the movement. So I don't want to, I don't want anyone to think I'm, you know, advocating getting rid of this. of this i'm saying that long term i have these understandings of the text people are interested in my position please look at my material i've read i've written books if not don't bother with that

just remember that you know what we really what we really need is to use at this point we really need to use tactically the christian capacity the christian organization potential i mean there's just so many christian organizations right and there's so many christians they need to have the understanding of the attack that is being made against them. And they need to use the unity to create political resistance. In other words, elect people that can actually stand up to the oligarchs. I mean, if you look at, I mean, the present situation of like the Republican Party is just ludicrous, right, where they are so obviously manipulated by the oligarchs of the leadership

that at this point, where is the political representation of Catholics and Christians? in the United States. There isn't it? No political power? Certainly not in the federal level. So how are they going to get any? Well, what would be right is to merge with, you know, the secular groups that are also in opposition to, you know,

the oligarchate control. I mean, that's the, and also to create more awareness in the Christian organizations of the attack. But you see, this would be possible, Pete, because there are lines of communication that are available to them that are not part of the mainstream media, which will always simply deflect any kind of information from getting to the public that the oligarchs don't want.

But the Christians can go around that. They can use their kind of normal communication methods inside their religion and actually get the information out. I'd love to see, that's why the Ghana. was I just thought he was had the potential to be like a historical world leader and I still do he even understood 911 I mean he's just extraordinary you know so if he becomes Pope I'll I'll be perfectly willing to join up I mean just that would be a Catholicism that I could I could certainly support all right well I think that that's a

great message trying to bring everyone together to fight this uh fight this common enemy and uh you know get back the culture that uh you know that this to get back the culture that people want you know i don't think that everybody has to be the same culture i think that there has to be much there people have multiple cultures and they they choose which one they want um you know they just have to be able to be able to practice them they have to be able to enjoy them without uh without outside interference and yeah there's some good news there in that all the all the Christians have to do in like the United States and Europe is just last another two generations and they'll have complete control the woke

consciousness produces no kids which is a real clear indication that it is just as irrational as as imaginable because I mean if you look at child production in in like you know woke I mean well, first of all, you have transgender, homosexuals, and they're gone. Feminists, they have no children. But even going further down in the process, like, well, who's a part of this? The people just have the idea about, you know, kind of who would be someone who would relate to, you know, rioting for George Floyd. They just don't believe in family.

They're not interested in children. But they are really much more kind of, you know, into pornography. And once someone like, you know, uses pornography as, you know, kind of major part of their life, they're not going to have produce a family eventually. So you see, the Christians are really the last family producers and children producers, really, in their culture. And so, you know, the woke will, it's such an irrational political movement. It can't last more than like one and a half generation.

So 60 years from now, they'll be gone. The question is, who's going to be running? the show at that point. So, but anyway, in terms of numbers, I think, you know, it's actually very optimistic at this point. All right, Joe, I really appreciate it.

Thank you, and try to have you back on. Any criticisms? I mean, love to hear them. They can just send me emails at, you know, Joe Atwell, gmail.com. I try to get to the emails whenever I can. So thank you so much, Pete. Well, you bring a different perspective to the show, so there's always going to be criticisms. Sure.

Well, this probably won't surprise you, but I rarely go on a show of any kind without spying. It's like a little of criticism. So it doesn't surprise me. Same here. Thank you, Joe. All right, brother. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Appreciate.