The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1056: The Foreign Policy of Adolf Hitler - Part 3 - w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

63 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.Thomas continues a series on the foreign policy of Adolf Hitler. In this third episode, Thomas talks about who Hitler saw as his real adversary, who he admired, and his view of all of Europe.Thomas' SubstackThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777VIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanino Show. How are you doing, Thomas? I'm doing well. Thanks for hosting me. Thank you. And I guess we'll take this time to talk about this little project that we started and just released on Gum Road.

We sat through and watched a movie and commented on it last week. I think you did an amazing job. Let's talk a little bit about that, what you think people can get out of this. Well, like I said, people have long been requesting that there be more content relating to movies and things. And I, yeah, I guess it's kind of our version of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

I'd like to think a little more serious commentary. But, yeah, man, there's a lot, you know, films and important media. I'm not, I mean, I, I grew up kind of living my curiosity to the movies, which I think is kind of a, I mean, that that's a very American kind of resume, you know, at least for people born before like 1980s or so. But, you know, it kind of like American cultural life exists like in cinema, you know, in a way that it doesn't in other, in other mediums. you know i guess the great american novel is is a trope you know and um don't get me wrong like there's there's still at this day like you know um americans make an impact on the literary scene but like we're talking about kind of like americans contribution of like you know the the into kind of like global cultural pastiche like high high culture and like lowest of the low

we're we're talking about cinema so i think that's important to me and then especially You know, these days, the common lament, and it's well-placed, you know, including the people like Martin Scorsese himself. There's not like real films being made by Hollywood. I think that's true, but there's something of a backlash against that. And, you know, the kind of removal of barriers to entry in the form of, you know, production tech becoming kind of democratized for lack of a bit. better word. You know, I mean, like, anybody can

shoot a film, man, like, who's got a bare minimum of investment capital. So, you know, I make the point, too, that guys like Nicholas Reffin and Ryan Gosling are kind of keeping filmmaking alive, you know, by basically taking a loss on these passion projects. And I just

know, I just tweeted out, you know, something about Kevin Costner, who I'm not any, like, big fan of a, I think he's like a well-meaning guy, but I think some of his work product is shit. But he made this big, West like epic that's like three hours long had um got the standing ovation at um one of the big film festivals i don't think it was cans but it was you know one of something in that thing so i

maintain that film's not just something for like old people nostalgics like me or for you know kind of um people with um subcultural uh interests um so i'm excited about it and feedback's been very good and like we talked about before we went live I mean trying to think about what movie we should cover next and I'm welcoming

feedback on that or you know request from subscribers as to what they'd like to see reviewed and obviously it'd be heavy to abide that but yeah I'm excited about it man I just want to mention I threw up a page on my website,

freeman beyond the wall.com forward slash taxi driver. Taxi driver is all one word. And there's a link there to the Gumroad episode of the video. And I also put audio up because I know some people are just not going to be able to sit down and watch video. So some people are still going to want to hear the commentary. And I had one guy in a live stream yesterday say, I know that movie so well that I could listen to your commentary and know exactly what scene you're talking about and envision in my head. Yeah, there's, if you're like a movie person, the other films you watch like dozens of times over a lifetime.

I mean, even I've been looking at since I was a kid. I realize some people think that seems weird. Like I like years back, like a lady I knew was like why, you know, why do you always watch like why do you watch the same? movies over and over. You know, I'm like, doesn't everybody do that? Films they like, and she's like, no. I'm like, okay. Well, it's, but I mean, I've been that way even before, you know, I had, like, a developed sense of, of a film as kind of like a medium.

Like, I remember, like, in the 70s and 80s, it'd be those, like, coffee table books, like, Leonard Moulton's movie guide or, like, the home video guide to, like, movies. And it'd be, like, a thousand pages, and it'd be, like, write-up. So, like, every movie you can think of, from, you know, like, the 19 teens, like, later silent era, like, until, like, the then-present of, like, 1985 or whatever. I'd, like, pour over that shit for, like, hours, man. Like, I, you know, like, I...

Because I was always, like, a data junkie, but, yeah, man. And before internet, that's also, like, how you found out about, like, film titles, man. Like, um... I remember, uh, Future Kill, which is a bizarre movie. Like, I found that through that. Christian F, which was like really kind of shocking, man, if you're like a kid in the 80s. You know, that was that

West German movie about you know, kids, like homeless kids, like, who were strung out of heroin in like West Berlin. That's, I mean, it's pointed out of, but, I mean, you know, stuff like that, like I found that through like a Leonard Mountain movie guide. And I was lucky enough

in like greater Chicago land. There was like a critical mass of like independent video stores, even after Blockbuster kind of conquered the landscapes. You could still find a lot of that stuff. But yeah, it's a very good thing, man. This series, I mean. All right. So yeah, free man beyond the wall.com forward slash taxi driver, all one word. And, uh, well, let's get to it. Um, Adolf Hitler's foreign policy episode three. Are you doing? Ready to go? Yeah. You know, like I mentioned earlier on, I put a, I put a lot of premium

and a lot of these sort of soft revisionist takes that have crept into the mainstream. I mean, things are changing. You know, I know, but biographies of historical personages are always kind of hit or miss. I mean, even people obviously

aren't nearly as controversial as Hitler. Because, you know, even fairly objective historians, you know, they run the risk of interpreting events and and statements and even the documentary record through kind of the lens

of current affairs and things. And I mentioned before that Brendan Sims his book, his 2017 book, Hitler, a little biography, that's really great.

I consider it to basically be on the level of John Tolan's biography in terms of its scholarly integrity. Obviously, Toland, I, you know, Toland's book edges it out

a bit because Tolan quite literally, you know, was able to access Hitler's then living relatives, including his sister, and, you know, as well as, you know, people who'd served the Third Reich in critical capacities who wouldn't talk to anybody else. But Sims, his book, the only other book that focuses really on Hitler's geostrategic vision and Hitler's view of the United States, which is absolutely key. understanding Hitler's worldview. The only other book I found that deals with that in a dedicated capacity is this old book from the 70s that was put out by this naval war college type

called Hitler versus Roosevelt. And kind of the focus of that book was the undeclared naval war between the United States and the Third Reich, which carried on literally for years before the form of legislation of war. And that was an early example of... Did you know those black flowers? Day deals everyone's talking about. They're right here at Beacon South Quarter.

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you know, of what you'd find in that era in kind of military signs. science type of books more than you would and kind of like more broad historical treatments. But that was, I mean, that was important. It was an important contribution, but obviously, you know, again, it focused kind of more on impersonal circumstances that, you know, in that author's estimation kind of put Hitler and Roosevelt on a collision course. I take some exception to that. Like I said, Hitler was not unsophisticated on geostrategic reality.

He's quite the contrary. He really did have a forward-looking perspective. And even more than a lot of these people of aristocratic pedigree, you were supposedly more cosmopolitan, you know whether they're in the UK or Germany Hitler saw things that they didn't and um obviously over to the brutality of the war in the East as well as the kind of dialectical nuances of the national socialism you know like people people kind of view the Soviet Union as you know as the mortal enemy of the German Reich first last and always and in kind of total existential

terms that's the wrong way to look at it and um you know, the degree to which Hitler himself as well as kind of any, um, you know, any, any kind of right Hegelian, which basically everybody was of Hitler's generation who, you know, had any kind of grand theory of geopolitics. They viewed, they viewed the kind of tragic course of a Russo-German affairs to be something of an inevitable. you know, almost like a phenomenon of nature. Germany's relationship to the United States was totally different and, um, premised a lot more on, uh, on, um, you know, ideological nuance that was somewhat accidental.

Um, I don't get into know what I mean by that, but a point that Sims made, and I was, I've always made, um, is that people need to read Hitler's second book to really understand what his perspective was. And there's a reason why, in my opinion, Hitler, after about 1928, 29, you know, he kind of put it to the side. You know, I think, in my opinion,

didn't feel that the body politic and the electorate was really ready for that kind of hard political realism. You know, and thus there are people, People read a kind of inconsistency in some of Hitler's public statements, particularly after 1930, you know, Kod for the second book, which I think is misguided. It'll get into the way I think that in a minute. But by 1928, like people kind of misunderstand that, you know, the big people view kind of the National Socialist Party is like this crisis party that was only able to count. capitalize, you know, and breakthrough during the years when, you know, the global depression, like, really kind of hit Germany hardest. I mean, that's true and it's not. I mean, like, obviously, the punctuated breakthroughs, you know, like happened in those years.

But Hitler's overall kind of program, it wasn't just based on, quote, resentment over Versailles. I mean, the Versailles Treaty wasn't in ethical terms and in practical terms. it wasn't worth the paper. It was written on verbally. But that wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't just a mere, like protest vote party or something. The, something Hitler constantly talked about in, to Hess, to Gering, to, you know, his intimates all in sundry, as well as something he wrote about in the the second book was that the greatest, that the, one of the biggest existential threats to Europe was, was mass emigration, you know, and every time, every time Europe was hit with a punctuated crisis, you know,

basically it lost, you know, millions of people over, um, you know, over a century. And that's exactly what had happened in Germany. A lot of people are true to Hitler. They say, you know, they, they suggest that he borrowed the idea, of a pan-European Europa This idea was kind of first got public kind of attention

And you know in the Vimer era like 1920 to 92, 93 This This Hapsburg diplomat Count Richard Kotenhov Callerby

He was He was a son of a Habsburg diplomat. He was a guy of aristocratic pedigree. He'd married a Japanese woman, which is somewhat rare. I mean, there was a lot of cultural exchange being Germany and Japan, but like a Hasbro

Austrian aristocrat, like marrying a Japanese woman was kind of it was unusual. You know, he was, his ideas gained ground kind of as the internal situation deteriorated in use.

Europe vis-a-vis the, you know, the German economy and kind of the demands of the reparations regime. He was, he was backed early on by Max Varberg, who some people believe was a, what was a site for the Rothschilds. But be as it may, I mean, whatever, Caler, I don't know if he was Jewish or not, I think he was part Jewish by heritage. But I don't...

He did in fact have like a vision of Europe that with an eye to render a Jewish, strategically competitive. Like he wasn't just... He wasn't just some banker like looking to insinuate this kind of, you know, faux European ideology

into what I'm on to do a... A kind of, you know, a kind of a... kind of program of capitalist repaid, although I know a lot of his detractors then and now claim that. But be as it may, Heinrich Mann

a year to be in 1924, he drew heavily upon Kellerdge's writing, and he published this kind of popular, circular, calling for a United States of Europe to prevent the car from becoming an economic colony of America.

Now, the key takeaway of that again, like, Hitler didn't have any common talk with people like Calergy and man, but, you know, the understanding that America was really, you know, if, whether you were in Germany, whether you were in Japan, whether you were in China, whether you were in the Soviet Union, like, your eyes were willing into America as to, like, the future of, like, your great power opponent, okay, like that, they'd agree to which this was in the minds of people can't be overstated, okay? and the degree to which American power actual and potential dwarfed basically like everybody else combined, like can't be overstated. Okay. And Hitler,

Hitler was very, very aware of this. And honestly, too, in the political culture of Weimar, this was something people kind of took for granted. You know, like the social Democrats in 1925, 26, you know, as they were kind of trying to and finesse, moderate voters, you know, kind of strike a more kind of like nationalist posture.

I mean, in however, milk toast terms, you know, they were talking about, you know, the Europe needed some kind of integrated banking structure and not just to get a handle on the reparations regime and to not, you know, be tethered to the fourth end of the pound sterling or the American dollar. but you know this was this was the way forward you know anything anything else was a provincial in scope um the uh but it's also there was Hitler had a lot of admiration for the United States you know we told it before people thought it was weird when um it came out that uh at um at uh at uh at eagles nest you know like hitler uh heller uh he had a bunch of like coca cola signs and stuff like in the parlor like hitler love coca cola and he liked he liked bowling like

like he like his favorite movie was king con when he was a kid you know he was into he was into western and stuff you know he thought like hollywood was awesome i mean he had exception to what he viewed as you know it's um the kind of insinuation of jewish values into into the movie industry, but he was far from alone in that take. But his idea that Hitler was some like provincial like Habsburg type who hated America is complete nonsense. He, you know, and a Germans all went to American movies, you know, like from about 1928 onward, you know, like basically like you went to the cinema, you, we were going to see like American movies. You know, there was a, uh, the, uh, the, uh, transatlantic flights by airship during like the brief sort of a

sentencing like airships as this big you know kind of a you know travel platform you know like like the big push was to to link you know Berlin with like New York you know as the ambition of me of course like turn Berlin and like this kind of like world city you know this wasn't um this was very much this was very much who like Germany were looking to emulate.

They weren't looking to emulate France. They weren't looking, people weren't looking other than people who'd been like radicalized in the streets of Weimar or people who were just, you know, kind of already ideologically dedicated all into their own,

you know, kind of like philosophical commitment. It's like nobody in Germany was like looking east the Soviet Union as a model society. You know, um, they had a, they had,

they looked at America with admiration. and um you know so like a not a small degree of awe and um the uh you know frederick list uh who's considered kind of like the father of uh of german national economics you know the guy he basically premised his entire paradigm on hamiltonian economics you know like any he openly acknowledged that you know um well i mean he even spent a lot of time in the united states yeah yeah yeah Yeah, exactly, exactly. And it's also the, you know, Hitler also, Hillary had a keen understanding of,

he had no illusions about, about this, you know, about the situation of, of Germany and, like, in Europe in general. And he, I was going to do in a minute, too, like, he, not only tell him not some, like, chauvinistic, like, nationalist or whatever, but he, like, if anything, he, especially, he didn't say this on the campaign trail for obvious reasons. But, you know, like we talked about before, you know, this reputation of the national

socialist being fixated on eugenics is misplaced because if anything, you know, America and to a degree the Soviet Union were kind of like the hub of that sort of thinking. But, you know, Hitler believed that Europe was basically sickly, you know, spiritually, biologically, every other way, like contrary to the United States. and he talked about that constantly. You know, like, Hitler didn't go around saying, like, yeah, we're the master race, like, quite

the contrary. Part of that's deliberate, like, mistranslation. Part of that's just, you know, like attributing kind of a caricature-ish view to, you know, Europeans generally and, you know, Hitler specifically. But, um, interestingly,

um, you know, Hitler also, too, it went without saying, you know, that communism was a blight and had to be eradication. But I mean, that was something that, again, in dialectical terms, that was something that just was taken for granted. You know, I mean, like you're going around trying to convince communists, like, you know, that they were misguided or they're trying to explain to people why, you know, it wouldn't be good for there to be some kind of Soviet revolution in Berlin. Like, you know, you're, you would have been pissing into the wind to dedicate yourself to those sorts of.

endeavors, but also again, it, you know, the kind of view of communism was almost like, it was almost like it wasn't a mind virus or something, you know, like it was almost, people who only viewed it almost like they would like BLM, you know, today, but obviously exponentially more serious and more dangerous. Like it's not, it like goes out saying that they're your ops. Like what, what people like Hitler actually engaged with, you know, what the real danger was was, was explaining to people why, you know, Europe had to basically carve out an autonomous path or the situation at Germany and Europe in general eventually would be comparable to a colony. You know, like Europe would just become a colony in the United States or the Soviet Union, you know, if the Soviets militarily were able to, you know, subsume all other competing powers, you know, just by, you know, at a point of the bayonet, like figuratively and literally.

you know, Hitler said during the later stages of the kind of campaign for the Reichstag in 1928 for the, you know, for Reichstag seats, I mean. Hitler said, he'll compare

Germany to India and like the way that you know, he said that India, like Britain allows like these Hindus like keep their princes and their kings and it doesn't divest you know these aristocrats and in the Raj of their wealth. I don't let's a pretend of authority, but in reality, these guys are, you know, these guys are ciphers.

You know, they're nobody's. They're, they're cooies who, you know, dressed up and kind of the glamour of a sovereign court. You know, and, you know, he said, you know, anybody who thinks that, you know, the real truth is not that, you know, the Britain is the Lord and the Indian is the slave is diluted. you know and he said uh you know the um you know Hitler wasn't suggesting you know some kind of solidarity with kind of like you know the the rich and oppressed of the earth or whatever you know but he he was saying that like basically like this is the way this is the way we're viewed by Europe and America albeit for some of different reasons and something I'll get to at this point there was real there was there was there was not

there was no level laws between the UK and America at this juncture and um as late really is the Edwardian era. The potential for America and Britain going to war, especially over claims in the Pacific, it was very real possibility. So it's like

the Hitler talking about the UK and America, like having some convergence of interest, but also being ops, actual potential. That's not some weird conceit of Hitler. That's the way everybody viewed it, because that was the truth. You know, um, the, uh, that ended because Churchill destroyed his country, you liquidated the empire and literally sold it to America. I mean, like, had that not happened, it, you know, it's, that's an open-ended question. But, um, the, uh, but the main,

you know, Hitler came back and again, again and again, uh, what he called Anglo-Saxon capitalism. Okay. And he distinguished these. He didn't say this was axiomatically the progeny of the Jewish political mind. But he said that, you know, if you're talking about international finance and you're talking about the UK and America, you know, there's always going to be like some aspect of Jewish power therein. But he said that that doesn't mean, like you said even like if we removed like jewelry from the equation, that does not mean that like Wall Street in London is our friend. you know and this will lead a lot of people to say like oh Hitler was just a socialist or something like he was but not in the way that people are talking like those kinds of people refer to and you know for context

when a Hitler's big targets was Parker Gilbert um Parker Gilbert died young he was only in his like early in mid-40s but he was most known for was being the agent general for the reparations to Germany from 1924 to about the middle of 1930 and afterwards interestingly he became an associate at

J.P. Morgan. As we talked about before if you don't understand the degree with J.P. Morgan had, I mean, J.P. Morgan was Wall Street in those days. Okay? Like they're kind of like the Goldman Sachs of their day, all right? And the degree with J.P. Morgan was insinuated

into the you know, kind of forcing the decision to go to war on the on the Wilson White House. You know, Hitler's saying, like, look, okay, like, you don't believe me, like, what's Parker Gilbert? You know, why is our economy basically in the hands of this guy? You know, I mean, that can't be denied, you know. So, I mean, this was, you know, like, again, the, acting like it was something, acting like,

I mean, these things especially, anybody acting like it's some benign thing for your national wealth being divested by, you know, Wall Street and, you know, kind of, uh, you know, you know, the, uh, your, your, your currency being bottomed out, um, by the repeating of a reparations regime. Like, anybody who thinks that's some benign thing, like, I don't know what to tell them, okay? But this wasn't, um, this wasn't, uh, this wasn't, uh, this wasn't, uh, this wasn't, uh, this wasn't, like, vestigial, like, Marxist sympathies or something. I know some people, like, a claim that, you know, during the Vimar years, he was taken in by, by the KPD briefly, which is nonsense. but that's what uh that's the reason of why he's constantly talking about capitalists

quote-o-capitalist and also too i mean the you know the uh the kpd was basically beaten by this point and you know they lost the street you know like uh there was still a threat you know um and kind of the final it wasn't until uh the enabling act incident to uh you know to uh to the Reichstag fire, which was in fact set by a communist, you know, Van Loeb or Lubb. But the,

I mean, that it wasn't until, um, they were formally banned as it, you know, what amounts to a terrorist organization, that they were no longer a factor, but it wasn't,

that, you know, the political culture of Germany in 1930, like, wasn't orbiting around, like, you know, people weren't debating in,

in Reichstag sessions, like the legitimacy of, of Marxism. I mean, like, this was the issue in existential terms on the table. You know, like, whether the reparations regime could be rendered benign, you know, whether some kind

of like complex interdependence with America, which meant essentially, you know, like subjugating the German economy to that of Wall Street, is there some way out of this or some way, like, within this paradigm, whereby, you know, Germany survives as an autotiv?

autonomous political culture. Like, that's what was on the table, okay? And that's why that's why Hillary's emphasis comes back again and again, you know, the capitalism and the capitalist ethos. It's not because he was some sort of like occulted mercist or something, whatever people say.

The, and, you know, again, too, like, it wasn't the, the, the reparations, his regime, like the Dawes plan, Hillary was always saying that don't speak to me of constitutions and the Weimar Constitution. He said, our three constitutions are in the Versailles treaty, the Dawes plan, and the La Crono pact. And the Dawes plan specifically, you know,

you had Parker Gilbert and his cronies intervening essentially as the French were threatening, you know, occupation of the rourer is kind of their, it's kind of their damically sword if they weren't paid what they believed they were owed in the timely manner. You know, Dawes said, the Dawes basically, um, advocated, like taking the German national railway company, um, as collateral. And, um, you know, I need all, uh, revenue from the tariff and tax regime, essentially being put in his hands in the hands of the reparations committee, which was de facto J.P. Morgan, you know, and from there, like they'd you know, they'd, uh, they'd integrate, uh, they'd integrate these public revenues that

the Berlin government was receiving. It'd be like kind of the middleman with France, you know, like as they saw fit. You know, and this was, this, this was the big plan to, like, dig Germany out, you know, was essentially, uh, allowing, um, J.P. Morgan to, uh, to loot, uh, to loot the public coffers as they saw fit, you know, I mean, and that's, I mean, and that's, I mean, like, think about it, like, think about it, like, Americans freak the fuck out about, you know, when they think, like, when they think they're paying too much in, uh, in, um, in real estate taxes, which is no small thing, I mean, I, I, I feel the part of that, too. I mean, it's like, people like, oh, Hitler was just making a mountain out of a mole,

hell about this whole Versailles thing. It's like, you're fucking serious, you know, it's like, come on. But, um, and of course, too, like, people during Vimar, I mean, they're in the Vimar regime, they they uh this had most by by the time of the of the of the of the breakthrough this was mostly they had mostly abated but people were starving you know i mean i made the point about horace vessel horse vessel you know his uh corn historians and the comments of the time claimed he was a quote unquote pimp because like his his living girlfriend was a prostitute like you don't know why she was a prostitute like a lot of women in vire became prostitutes

because they were starving. I mean, like, that's, that, that's the situation, I mean, when it becomes normal for women to be selling themselves because, you know, there's no other option. I mean, like, think about, like, Americans never right to live in those conditions, man, like they haven't. I mean, like, people are addicted or people who have, you know, fall on terrible circumstances for various reasons. I mean, yeah, that happens to them.

But, like, categorically, where something like prostitution becomes normal, because no one has anything to eat. So, like, we can't even imagine that. I mean, that's, that's, that's for. people were coming from here and um you know that's uh that's what owes to the kind of uh you know the kind of focus of the um the national socialist paradigm but it's also um the problem with the national socialist party even into like 1928 2930 i mean really this is outside of scope but I remember really underlay the 1934

incident, you know, the the Ramfuch I mean, there's a lot of intrigues there, but I mean, the kind of the overarching impetus was the need to eradicate, you know, divisions in the party just, you know, by a final and violent executive

decision. Germany is fatal the fatal flaw in the German flagged culture with these fractures. You know, foreign policy was still highly disputed. Rosenberg and, you know, most of the Baltic German faction within the party, as well as a lot of the Prussian military element.

They were insisting that the Soviet Union was, you know, was the ideological enemy, like everything else was secondary. Obviously, the Strassers, as well as Gerbils himself, interestingly if the Soviet Union is like a key potential ally against Anglo-America the South Tyrol issue and obviously you know Hitler courting Mussolini you know this and ultimately South Tyrol was was seated in its entirety to the kingdom of Italy you know this big this was like a sore point um for a lot of German racialists you know like Hitler's selling out our people you know he's

for the sake of uh you know someone of a geotrategic vision they may not come to fruition um you know the uh and this uh you know this was not this was not workable and um despite uh despite the fact that people always talking about like america especially in this era and um in the preceding epoch you know the world war one era as being like oh in America, you know, we debate all possibilities. Like, that's, that's total bullshit. You know, like, when a policy gores has decided

more in peace terms, or economic terms, like America just does it. Like, after the war between the states, like, just, like, that kind of discussion just, like, ended. That was all done. Okay. Um, and this is one of, this is one of the big reasons for the fewer prince of him. It's not because

like, Hitler was some control freak or he just thought it was really great to to play, um, leader or something you know the early on his career he treated these like the various separatist types you know in these various

these various regional parties all in sundry you know who kind of wanted to sabotage any kind of centralized government in Berlin you know he treated these people as much as as as as as the communist because again they

these um like these people are kind of like fools today in the old East block where like you'll hold themselves out like yeah I'm like Ukrainian nationalist it's like your ass is literally owned by Wall Street but like it's as long as you

like go around like weaving like a little flag and pretending like you know you're you're some kind of sovereign like micro state like you're you know you think you're like a fucking pig and shit but the um you know and uh

it was right around this time like around 1928 that's when Hitler began writing the second book. And for about 18 months subsequent, after the election cycle 1928, he worked on it pretty consistently. You know, it's, and again, the overarching theme of the second book

is the overwhelming power of Angle, America, and especially United States. the theme was in Mind Koff, but Mike Kopp's, I totally even kind of book. Again, Mind Kopp was an election season appeal. The second book is quite literally like Hitler's geostrategic vision and is like,

it's diagnosed it's like the world of 1928. Okay. Hitler literally said, quote, the American Union has created a power factor of such dimensions that it threatens to overthrow all previous state power rankings. He said there's probably a question of literal

space, you know, gross rum. He made the point that Aboriginal elements, you know, like Native Americans, if you will, obviously they were both divided, you know, by tribe language,

ethnos, as well as being relatively thin on the ground compared to the size of the continent. So there were easy pickings for you know, a conquering population animated by, you know, kind of an almost theological

apparent of a man of his destiny and also the relationship between the population size and the territorial extent it's just like awesome like literally it's just massive you know like Hitler wrote that this is like inconceivable the Europeans you know especially because

I mean again like Europe's an in the area's a tiny peninsula really it's got no it's impossible to defend it in depth you know um it's got a you know no

no natural barriers between itself and you know the other in the east you know it's um like america's if you're gonna draw sort of a perfect geostrategic situation for a people like you basically draw the United States of America

you know like assuming um assuming their ops in terms of a ability to project power are where, you know, the British and the Spanish were respectively when, you know, America fought them off and essentially kicked them out of the new world. But, you know, it's, there's nothing, there's nothing comparable to it in history. And again, Hitler was correct as assessment. He said the United States had, as of the time of, you know, as of the world of 1988, 9030, probably 50% of the available natural resources of this planet.

Its industry not only had, you know, what was not only the envy of the world, and it captured, you know, markets on every continent, even by the 1920s, but even if all that went away, like even an event of some total emergency, you know, if America could only rely on its domestic market, like it could still survive and arguably think. thrive. You know, like the

like an area's internal market was was greater than the British Empire's like an entirety of capital. And like that's totally insane. You know, um,

and uh, Hitler made the point again and again in my conf, or not like I'm in the second book that like European statesmen like don't understand this. Um, and Hitler then talked about England and America and Germany and and race. And interestingly, again, he had a pretty

unflattering diagnosis of his own people. Heller said that basically the greatest people, whoever lived, are the Anglo-Saxons. He said that the Anglo-Saxons were truly like the master race, the world's like master race, the era in which we live. Like anybody alive and then present? Okay. He said the key to British power was that you had this like you had just like critical racial value of anglo-saxondom um that was able to conquer the political culture in britain entirely uh you know and then

perpetuate itself um you know and kind of develop uh it developed this like rigid cast-based society where the leadership cast was uh it viewed its it's like whole raison detra as you know being like lordship over this enterprise that they had created that they believed it had been like conferred upon them by providence

um Hitler said that because of this sort of cultural indoctrination over time and this kind of like unwavering like master cast believe in themselves he said that

uh he said that one in was basically able to colonize you know this entire planet And meanwhile, like, their leadership cadres, like, who never saw, like, the Motherland again, like, maintained, like, nevertheless their link to, like, the host culture and, like, to the Anglesax and race. Which is absolutely true. It, uh, Hitler said, you know, this is why, you know, the Anglesax and he's, like, totally outclassed as, like, the German of 1930. okay um he said the other he said the reason the United States is so dangerous is because he said well

you know he's like the United States said he said in the core of this Anglesaxon population that was just referenced like when these people saw the like endless horizon of the new world like they realized that they could quite literally like invent the new world in their own image you know and they they no longer had to

take a knee before anybody you know And he said that the mass influx of immigration from Germany, which by, from the treaty was failure until Hitler was writing, amounted to about 6 million people. And Hitler said, like, this was the cream of the crop of, like, European people. You know, he's like, so in America, he's like, you have, he's like, you have this, like, core of Anglesaxon leadership, like, utterly ruling. utterly committed to its own posterity, like utterly insatiable and his desire to dominate the planet.

And like the mentioned material they presided over were basically like millions of the best of like, you know, Central Europe and Germany, you know, who realized like only diminishing fortunes like on the continent. You know, in those days, immigrating to America was you were like taking your life into your own hands. It was the opposite of today where it's like, you know, the world empties out of its jails and sends them to America. you know like if you had like like you could become rich beyond your wildest dreams in America but you also might you also might die

you know and like it uh it uh you you had to have a tremendous um even you mean just surviving the journey or here you know what I mean like was an ordeal you know so Miller said basically like the people in you get up and go like got up and went he's like the best of like the white race

like lives in America he's like you can't dispute that he's like yeah He's like American culture might be vulgar. He's like, you know, there might, he's like there might be, like, deformities within it. He's like, it might suffer from the absence of, you know, like, like, cultural patrons. But he's like, you can't say that they're not like the master race because they are. He's like, they're the best racial material. And he's like, you know, they, and he's like, there, he's like, too, he's like, he's like, too that.

He's like, the Americans are self-aware of this. He's like, that's why they're, and he's right, Hitler's writing right at the 1925 of Regation Act. And he made the point, he's like, he's like America's entire, he's like, he's like, America's continuing to, like, siphon all up, like, the best of Europe. He's like, well, privileging, you know, Scandinavians and Germans and, you know, in English, you know, and he's, like, limiting the number of slas and Latins and basically excluding, like, Japanese and Chinese immigrant ratings. They view them as, like, their probable adversaries, you know, and the kind of great game of,

of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, I mean, all this stuff is true. and that is the way the Americans viewed themselves, you know, like this. And for context, like, Hitler literally fought the American infantry. You know, like, as, like, he was saying, like, he, I mean, it's something, it's been said that, like, if you know a race of people,

like, there's no way to know them more intimately than if you, like, had sex with them or killed them. Okay, and there's something to that. I wouldn't characterize it that. way, but it's not wrong. You know, like, the idea, like, Hiller was some bumpkin, it's like, well, apparently he wasn't, man. And he fought, he fought, he fought, he literally fought the U.S. Army, you know, after, you

after having faced down, the British and the French. And, like, what he wrote about in his later years was how the American Army was tough as nails. And, and were these incredibly robust, like, hard people who were, like, the sons who who left us centuries before, you know, like grown, like, bigger and stronger and faster and smarter than we are, you know, and it was devastating. You know, I mean, that's, he didn't, he didn't say something like that about the Tommy's. He didn't say anything like that with the French. He was talking about the Americans, you know. Um, do you think this is why so many people

want to claim that the book is a forgery because they've basically, bought into this romantic notion of the Prussian people at the time and the Prussian people being the cream of the crop as far as genetics goes. And then that Hitler would, they're putting words in Hitler's mouth so that it would, it makes it look like Hitler doesn't really like the German people that much. I mean, that's what it sounds. Part of it, yeah. I think that's part of it. I mean, it's, um, yeah, I think it's part of it. But it's all the, too.

It's like, some of these people are just guys who claim everything, like, literally everything is fake. Like, remember what it is? They claim it's fake. Like, these are the guys you think that, like, um, like Joe Biden is, is like a hologram. We never landed on the moon. Like, if you tell them, like, you eat cornflakes. Like, bro, cornflakes, like, matter to people, man. Like, you don't believe that, bro.

You're, you're like brainwash, bro. Like, the second books of, it's a fool. like Hitler was fake. Hitler was like this Jewish gay guy like he was fake, bro. I mean, I think it's part of it's just like that. But part of it, yeah, like people at the point before that a lot of these guys who claim to be like national socialist or like

or like to like I guess like to troll people by like wearing a swastika when they really know what it means. They got this like, they got this like cartoon idea of Hitler is basically what like the war department of like 1941 said he was. They just like claim that's cool. not that that's bad. So, I mean, yeah, I think part of us that these fools, like, they want to pretend

Hitler was like this Darth Vader type figure who, as alleged and not actually, like, a thoughtful person with, like, a critical view of his own kind and stuff, but it, you know, but it's also, um, but it's also, you know, Hitler,

Hitler came from the Hathbury Empire, like the frontier of it. The Havreian Empire was a fucking mess. I mean, it's fascinating. If I had a time machine, like I said, I'd want to go back, among other places, the Vienna in like 1910 to check it out because like that that kind of decadent baroque architecture is just like really cool and like there's like very cool things about it but um you know it's like something it's like it was totally dysfunctional you know like this can't you can't i mean and that was really kind of the that was kind of the prime the distilled essence of like decadent like dysfunctional like

20th century europe you know so hitler's like this is what our problem is you know and there's a reason why he refused to be drafted by the Hathburg army and went and joined the German army. That wasn't like an accident. You know, like, and it wasn't just because like, oh, Hitler was such a big racist. It's like, no.

Someone said that being allowed. Someone claimed, can you answer this? Someone claimed that the only reason you think the second book is authentic is because you're taking the word of Gerhard Weinberg. And Gerhard Weinberg also said David Hogan was full of shit. So is that

true? too. I mean, various people, like, saw the second book. He talked to Hess about the second book. He discussed his contents with Ribbentrop with Gerbils. He, uh, openly

discussed on the campaign trail in 28. I view myself as a writer and I'm writing my second book. Like, what I mean, what, what, what's the evidence that it's a fake other than like guys in the internet say it's fake? I mean, like, I don't, like, what?

I don't think it's fake I have no reason to think that it is. It's romanticism. It's there. It destroys some kind of romantic notion that they have. Apparently, yeah, yeah. It's, but yeah,

I realize we're coming up on the hour. So I'll, I'll wrap up soon. But it's also too, like the you don't, can't, I make this point, and I make this point, just because, like, court history is so, like, demented on this point. You know, you know, you want to one thing Hitler does not mention at all, and the second book is, like, black people and America's, like, racial situation. He just, like, has no interest in it.

Like, he did say that the only time he ever spoke about, like, slavery in America was he said, quote, like, transplanting, transpleting of millions of African Negroes, the American continent as an example of a quote, barbarian custom, you know, because he said, I mean, but that was, like the view of like a lot of people like this like um you know uh but he didn't this idea like Hitler was sitting around like like hating on black people or like obsessed with like race like in that regard like he that's totally that's literally retarded but it um you know and if anything too like the the traditional understanding is that you know like the like the Germans like sympathized with like the north and kind of like the union like national economic paradigm you know Hamiltonian economics and all of that. Like the idea that they were like neo-confederates was like literally demented. But um

you know he and like most importantly I think too not like Hitler spoke in the table talk you'll you'll glean this as well as other place and according to the second book like Hitler talked about the American dream like now he didn't use those words but uh he said quote the European of today dreams of a living standard, which might be possible in Europe, but actually exists in America. The American simply lives on average better than we do.

You know, and he made the point, that's why he emphasized, like, motorization so much and saying, like, every German is going to, like, have an automobile, like, a family car. Like Stalin famously said that, like, oh, this film of, like, American workers, like, driving is, this is all propaganda. That's not possible, you know, because, like, it seemed, it seemed like science fiction to people in the old world. You know, and Hitler is like, you know, we got to, like basically like we've got to,

we're, we're going to have an auto bond. Like, we're going to have, you know, a continent we're going to have our own manifest destiny in the east. You know, like, we're going to have a space program. Berlin is going to be you know, like a capital of the world. You know, like he, his competitor was America.

You know, it's, um, but this, I mean, granted, like it's, it wasn't on qualified. You know, like he talked about the part of a new culture in America

that was any, famously like he mentioned one time like some some like Robert Barron type had mocked up like a faux palace of Versailles

as like his house and I think like Life magazine like exhibited it like this was really cool Hitler's like you know this is this is this is you know this is bullshit you know, but, you know, this idea that, and he said, too, like, a lot of, you said America had some great things that came out of Hollywood and some great music, but also had some, like, decadent

bullshit, you know, what he called, race music? I mean, that's what people call it then, but this idea that, like, you just take contempt for America, it was, like, it is totally asinine, you know, and, um, the, uh, you know, and it's, and I mean, at the end of the day, too, like, I, again, like even the uh Germany's geo-strategic exposed oh and interestingly too like Hillary you know what I mean Hitler said Europe's literally impossible

to defend in depth even if the 1914 border has restored it wouldn't matter and um you know he said where Germany is both surrounded completely hemmed in you know he said moreover in the age of the airplane you know he said like any German

population center can be struck in a matter of hours. You know what I mean? Like it's like again, like this idea that like Americans just don't understand this. I realize that when people when this, like the Zionist war against Russia commenced in 2020.

Like, girls, the politics. Like people act like allowing standoff weapons to be based like 200 miles from your capital. Like that's not an act of war. That's not like an existential threat your existence. You know, it's like, I, um, I don't think people understand, like, I think people think that like everyone else on this planet is like some version of America. It's like the size of a continent, you know, like any, you know, any, any military

enemies you have or basically, you know, like a thousand miles away at minimum. Like, I don't think they, as the crow flies in 1928, like the border of Czech, the border of Czechoslovakia was now the Czech Republic to Berlin I mean it's like it's less than two hours like by car if I'm not mistaken you know it's like this idea that like

oh you know allowing you know allowing a French to base whatever aircraft they can devise you know an hour or so from our capital like that's no problem you know we'd be war mongers if we objected to that like I it's completely it's completely

insane but um i uh you know that's uh and that's also too like something i uh and sims makes this point too one of the uh one of the one of the reasons for the at least in the hitler's case one of the uh like his personal perspective one of the reasons for the brutality in the east the ost front uh obviously is the ideological challenge of communism, which just had to be eradicated in the estimation of the national socialist culture. The fact that the Soviet Union declared like it didn't honor any laws and convention to customs of war. It only abided its own revolutionary imperatives. but also you know the

the contiguous continental space Germany needed I mean that it wasn't that Germany hated like quote hated Slavs but the Nazis hated Slavs categorically and Hitler even said in the second book he said at a future

time if the Bolshevik yoke you know what he called like you know like the the um you know a Russian national rather than a Jewish capital orientation in Hitler's words could come to pass in Russia.

Like it wouldn't be off the table for some kind of alliance with the Russians in the future, but that's not where we're at now. And right now we're facing oblivion. I mean, that was really the, that was really what underlay the kind of like Rasson Creek in the East more than anything. It's not we hate Slavs and let's annihilate them because we hate them. And I was glad that Sims made that point.

They're not going to be wrong. There were, especially among the ranks of, Baltic Germans, people like Rosenberg, and Prussians who had been like marinated in kind of the culture of Rassan Creek. I mean, because like they, that's what their people were steeped in for centuries. They did hate Russians and I'm sure they viewed them as subhuman, but it's generally like that wasn't, you know, that that wasn't like some, there wasn't some like grand racial theory of like

why the Slavs are subhuman or something. That's, yeah, we're, we're coming up the hour I think uh I think uh I I think uh I was this is this set on the subject or do you yeah we can do I think I think a concluding episode might be good but because I still have some more to stay but I don't want to I don't want to tell you your business in terms of oh yeah no no problem yeah I think wrapping this up uh one to wrap this up would be great um do some plugs and uh we'll end it yeah man yeah you can find me at Thomas 777 7.com. It's number 7. HMAS 777.com.

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