The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1086: What is the Real Conflict We're Facing? w/ David Gornoski

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

66 MinutesPG-13David Gornoski is the host of the “A Neighbor’s Choice” podcast.David joins Pete to talk about what he sees as the role of Christians in the world. He also talks about certain dietary habits he sees as poisoning us and causing us to not realize our maximum intellectual and spiritual potential. A Neighbor's Choice PodcastPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on Twitter

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How are you doing, David? Good. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, man. It's been a while since you've been on. why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? Well, I do a program called A Neighbor's Choice. It was first started off as a podcast back around, I guess, 2015,

and then we took it to Terrestrial Radio, IHeart Radio, Orlando, and Tampa Bay in 2018. We were doing radio programs in the afternoon drive time from 5 to 7 p.m. And I had the opportunity of covering the pandemic every afternoon, when it was happening. Every, you know, it was kind of like the thing about being a radio guy at the same time we did podcast is that there's a certain level of, you know, kind of institutional significance. People esteemed towards radio in the sense of when you're coming home from work and you want

to know what in the world do I believe? What should I do for my health in this big giant scare? How do I get access to food when their grocery stores are empty? And that was kind of a big task. I was like, wow, I didn't think I'd be signing up for this. And that was a real experience being the newsman on radio as well as tying it into the themes that I had. And so that was a fun experience. But we've evolved since then into more of a focus on the online front where I've been able to dive deeper into some of the themes that I'm most interested in.

And that includes things like memetic theory from the work of René Gerard talking about the role of imitation and mimesis and scapegoating. and how it shapes our society. We also do a spinoff podcast called Seed Oil Survival, where I look at the ways in which people can get their metabolic health in better order and get their energy back, right? Because if you're at a low energy, mental and physical state, you're in no shape to do anything of significance for your well-being of your community and yourself. So those are some of the things that we focus on.

We also do something on new physics. So I kind of have a variety show going on with our way. work. Yeah, I remember back in 2020, you actually had me on a couple times. I appreciate that. That was for drive time live. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Yeah. So, you know, let's try and catch up here. In 2020, we were talking about the possibly the worst thing that ever happened in our lifetime. And I put 9-11 in there because I was 2020 killed a whole lot more people than 9-11 did on our on the home front. Yeah.

And I'm not talking about the virus. I'm talking, I'm talking about other, let's try and keep this on YouTube. I'm talking about other things related that were reactions, people's solutions to the coronavirus. But yeah, we're in a new age. Just four years later, and it seems like it's 20 years later. And, you know, we have, we have Trump running again the third time, third time in a row. And, you know, just yesterday, Biden maybe dropped out. maybe he i don't know if he knows he dropped out yet and then um everything that goes along with it i mean

the it just seems like times are changing and for people who say nothing ever changes nothing ever happens uh things only get worse i don't see things getting worse necessarily so yeah um in my personal life, especially not, because that's something everyone has to concentrate on. But in the world, I look around. So, I don't know, when you look around, broadly, what are you thinking? I'm very optimistic. I think, you know, in the short term, it could be very rocky and tough. I don't think that history is a fatalistic, deterministic thing. I think it's radically open and how we, you know, change. And we just saw that with Trump, right? Just a millimeter difference or so. And he was saved. I mean, what a bit of catastrophe, right?

And I have to say about that incident, if the reports are true, and I think it seems to be the case, that this was the first Trump rally in some time that the major media had decided to show up for. And some of the indications that some people may have known something ahead of time, that they knew 30 minutes at least before the man shot. And we don't know to what extent all this other weird stuff keeps popping up. You know, it personally irritates me very much at the thought that these people, whoever they may be, that may have helped this young man if they are out there, that somehow they had set up a situation in which they tried to create a mass trauma experience for young children. Because with Trump being such an iconic figure, right, whether people like him or not, and in the age of ubiquitous social media and video and HD video, and to have all those major media that are not normally covering his. rallies to be there.

And if it was just a millimeter difference, that horrific image and how many young children would have seen that? How many young children, maybe not alive, but would have seen it because of the ubiquitous nature of social media distributing horrific images? We saw that with what's going on in the Middle East and other conflicts. But with this, it would have been like that on such a more traumatic scale. That would have been like JFK times 10 because they were able, you know, the ubiquitous nature of HD.

Well, with JFK, no one saw the Zepruder film for a way. eight years. Right. And so after what they did, because you tied it back in the 2020, they did a hell of a number demoralizing and traumatizing kids. And then to do this, those sick scum, whoever they are, if that's what was going on here, this truly irrit is very angering to me because we've got to say we've had enough, you know. We cannot allow people to do this and try to traumatize and try to act like they're gods because they're not. as that incident showed, that other things are in charge of reality that are not them. And regardless of what happens in the future to Mr. Trump and what he does and what he's able to do

and what happens to him next, you know, that was a moment where people, it's like reality shown through. It broke through and people were able to see there's a bigger story. There's a bigger meta or cosmic story that we're all a part of. and I hope that gives kids hope because they need it. They need to stop being, you know, surrounded by a society, both not just the establishment, but also the folks who want to be the reactionaries to the establishment. We cannot move forward if we're reacting. If we're reacting, that means we're not in the backseat.

If you're reacting to someone's driving, they mean, hey, slow down. Hey, you drive, okay, that's what a kid or a grandma says. That's not the person driving the car. That's what Biden says right. You know, hey, not so fast, you know, the persons that are not in charge react. We don't react. We have to be pro-act. We have to set the pace.

And I think we have to be very vigilant. And that's why I'm happy to speak with you because I know that you are someone that's searching for answers and you're willing to go wherever you can find answers. You're willing to revisit history and all kinds of things. And we need to do that because people are searching for role models to implement. They don't know who to imitate. And I think the best, I think here's the thing that I want to indicate about the Trump thing, if you don't mind. I said, I think that what it showed people is that Trump at his best where he's got all of these people, including Mark Zuckerberg, saying that was the most badass thing I've ever seen in my life.

I'm standing down in this election. And you've got people who are hating him all piling in with money now in Silicon Valley and so forth. and they're just ecstatic about that. That ecstasy of that moment of being willing to stand up and risk your life to let your fans know and your friends who are on this mission with you know that I'm okay and you're okay and this mission is bigger than me, whatever happens to me. That's what he was saying in that moment. And he didn't do it just that one time.

He poked his head out again, another time he poked his head out again when they were pushing them into the car. I saw different camera views. So he kept sticking his head out. He wanted to keep letting the audience know, I'm there with you, I'm one with you. This mission is bigger than me. And that is an example of the Christ energy that all of us have the opportunity to live into every day, you know, to be able to risk skin in the game to the point where you have

bloodshed even in and to be able to say, you know what, I'm not backing down. I'm not, I'm not tuck and tail and running, right? You know, Kamala Harris would not have gotten up and stuck her head out. I guarantee you that, right? You know, these people who are there to just be, you know, you know, just little sociopathic puppets for whatever works for them. These people wouldn't do that. And that shows you the measure of what leadership looks like. And it looks a lot like Christ in that moment.

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to see what's going to happen. They want the person taken out. They want chaos. I think a lot of times it's just these are people who are very evil and they desire chaos. But one thing that I've been saying is, is that if this guy did get radicalized to shoot Trump because Trump is a fascist and Trump represents all of us, because he likes Joe Biden. And I don't believe Joe Biden or, or Kamala Harris like me. I think that they would rather see me, you know, gone. But Trump seems like a kind of a normal dude that he meets, meets waitresses and talks to them. And I've heard some amazing stories about things he's done with regular people upon meeting them, people that have helped them. But I think that there is a, there is a narrative here that memetics can,

using memetics can really go, and that is the fact that, you know, there is this force, whatever you want to call it, progressivism. People call it woke. I mean, it's evil. And it is what, the fact that Donald Trump isn't necessarily, you know, doesn't like it, doesn't, it doesn't bow to it. He's not going to bend the knee to it that by him, by trying to kill him and then killing one of us, you know, just a regular, a regular guy and having people celebrate it, then I think that there is a narrative here that, um, that we can run with that, you know, they, they, they want to see someone like Donald Trump dead, but they're, they're just is okay with one of us getting taken out. And I don't think that, I don't think they care how many of us they take out. And I think that is,

to me, that's the narrative to run with, is that we just, we want to live our lives. You know, we want to be with our families and, you know, live, you know, as Thomas says, live historically, and they don't want that. And, you know, they'll do anything they can to stop it. So, you know, you mentioned Gerard. You mentioned Mercederick's. A lot of the people who are surrounding her surrounding Trump now, are also Gerardians.

I mean, I mean, Renee Gerard was only, there was only, there was only one person he was ever a PhD advisor for. And that was Peter Thiel. That's the only person he was ever a PhD. So you could basically say that that was his, you know,

his main pupil, his star pupil. And so, yeah, I think the idea of memetics, the idea of narratives, and the idea of spreading narratives, I think we're there. And I think it's something that now, you know, good people can use, start using. I mean, as I started hitting the article circuit for fee.org and loo rockwell.com and daily caller,

newsmax, American conservative, starting around 2015, 2016, talking about how Trump was. the ultimate scapegoat and how we need to look at Renee Gerard and all this. But back then it was like, what are you talking about? But now it's like the whole thing has moved so quickly to the point where the VP, J.D. Vance, pick, actually cites Gerard as critical for his conversion to the Catholic Church. So that's huge. I mean, I was reading a quote from him earlier today from his essay he wrote about, you know, and it sounded like something I would have said in my earlier days, you know,

I'm one of my articles but one second who's good uh you can find it come on david dead radio you're a radio guy yeah i tell you i i'll i'll forego the quote so we don't have any airs that space here but what i was trying to get at is that that the way jd talks about gerard he he has a deep

understanding of the nature of memetic anthropology and the way in which people you know rely on memetic role models to signal what they should do, what they should desire. And of course, he in the essay that I saw that he wrote, he talks about scapegoating and how Christ helps us learn how to get out of the scapegoating game of trying to find somebody to compare ourselves with, you know, so I thought that was fascinating. Yeah, it also lends itself a lot to how you live your life.

You know, what's important to you? And when you look at the idea of transmitting a message, well, that starts at home. Right. Right? Yeah. I mean, if you, if your wife's not on board with you, if your children are not on board with your values

and your message, I mean, how can you go out? And that shows you the, just how empty and vapid these politicians are. Because so many of them don't even have relationships with their children. Right. They don't, their children are, you're a monster. Look at Hunter Biden as an example. It's like, what values did, does it Joe Biden instill in his children? Right. Right.

No, it's so true. And that's totally right. You know, one of the things that people encounter when they study memetic theory is that it's not just a social science theory of anthropology and literature. It is all of that. But it also provides an opportunity for self-reflection where you can look at yourself and realize, you know, what is it that actually moves the needle for change in my life? Is it telling people what is true and right or is it living what is true and right that will people actually be moved? to emulate. And you see that with Jesus Christ, that he was not someone who wrote a book like a guru, but rather he was someone who, I call him a kind of performance artist in the sense that

everything he did was action-oriented. He demonstrated, by example, things like walking on water, which encapsulates so much existential truth about ways in which you can overcome storms in your life or tame nature as a society. I think that the human species is compelled to look at the Dominion mandate in that story in particular about how we can tame the storms of nature and subdue it in a way that allows people to heal from cancer without being bankrupt to afford cancer treatments or whatever it is. People should be able to look into like alternative energies, energy too cheap to meter. That's how you walk on water. The same thing goes for other stories that Jesus says, those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

When he tells Peter, you know, get behind me, Satan, when he says, hey, don't tell people you're going to go to the cross and die. Come on, we've got a political movement here. And people are afraid to imitate Jesus not only in their personal life because they're afraid it opens them up for opportunity of being hurt or taking advantage of or the push down. And they're also afraid to imitate Jesus when it comes to their political position because they're afraid that, well, that will open them up to being mowed down by the bad guys,

whichever the bad guys they think are. And the reality is that Jesus' way of nonviolence and grace and mercy and forgiveness is not weakness. It is the greatest strength that one can aspire to and that it actually does transform society. As that little moment Trump had demonstrates where people who were hardened in their hatred for Trump were waiting and waiting and yearning for a moment like that where they could break free from their hatred and actually resonate with the man because they saw the measure of a man

in the face of fire, not giving up, but still trying to show love to his fellow countrymen. And that's the kind of self-denying spirit of Christ that is not weakness. It's actually the manifestation of power, as Jesus calls it, my power is made perfect and weak. There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky. They've asked me to read the whole lot at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes. This winter sports extra is jam-packed with rugby For the first time we've got every Champions Cup match exclusively live

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violence is off the table in all situations. I mean, violence is acceptable. I look at the history of the church, and especially before 500 years ago, the church, you know, I probably bring this up so much that people are sick of me bringing it up. But the reason when Spain got conquered in 7-11 AD by the Moors, by Mosle, by mostly, the reason they were able to take it back over 700 years fighting inch by inch to take their country back was because of their Catholicism. Their Catholicism held them together and the fact that they were Spanish and part of being Spanish is being Catholic. And they just were not going, they were not willing to put up with that invader coming and taking their land. So I'm certainly not against violence, but I mean, violence, I think there's a lot of people who,

because they are so frustrated by politics, which they have no control over. And this is one thing that I've been saying is people are like, yeah, I was having discussions with people today. It's like, okay, well, if the Biden-Kamala wing wins, then. then you're probably going to have endless, endless mass immigration coming up from Central and South America. It's just going to continue. And if the Trump wing wins, then that may be stopped, but there are also people on that side who would try to increase legal immigration. And there are some people who are like, well, I don't want any immigration.

And I'm like, well, that's not up to you. whoever you vote for, you're getting one or the other. And so a lot of people, they look at that and they see, I have no control over this, and they immediately want to become violent. And there's really no place to channel that violence. So there may one day be a time for violence, but to default to it just because you're frustrated because you don't have, you're not getting what you want. It just, it doesn't work.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I would say that the key thing that I think Christ shows us is that there may be a place for a just war. There could be a place for defensive war. There could be, of course, a place for defending your home for being, you know, if you're being costed or burglarized, nobody's saying you shouldn't defend your yourself. But I think the way that Christ shows us on the cross is that even when people are torturing him and trying to, you know, murder him and cast all of their blame on to him,

he says, Father, they don't know what they're doing. Forgive them. And that's the disposition that one is able to transform society in the direction that we all want. You know, we don't get to a high trust society without that event, without Jesus's role model creating this kind of high, Even Nietzsche admitted that, right? That when you create this kind of high trust society doesn't come out of a vacuum. And it's modeled off of Jesus's disposition that is against revolutionary violence and its reactionary, you know, twin. So when Peter is mad at Jesus, it says, don't tell me you're going to die on the cross.

He's not just saying that because, you know, he's like just sad that he's going to die. he's upset because he wanted a political program, right? His people were being pulverized. People were being humiliated. People were being raped and pillaged and taxed, exploited. They're molesting their kids. The people that were running Israel and the other, and then the Roman occupiers,

there was a lot of wickedness that Peter rightfully wanted to see corrected by a king. And Jesus says that he was Satan for that. And the Satan means the accuser. So he's telling him, you are accusing me of doing things the way that every political movement does things. But I don't do it that way. And I think Christians have to reckon. And by the way, that doesn't mean we take this kind of fake position of above the fray

where we go instead of top history and judge everything that ever happened in church history and say, oh, it wasn't pure enough for nonviolence. No, we're not talking like that. I understand there's a redemptive history to things, right? But history is moving somewhere and it's moving in a direction which ultimately will lead to the lion and the lamp. And Jesus said that we are his body on earth and we are to enact the same way he dealt with society in his own time on this planet Earth in the physical sense. We're literally his body. And those who are a part of his body, the way we would probably emulate his example in dealing with things is to do exactly what he would do, to tell our Peters or so forth to say, no, we're not going to do it.

the violent way. We're going to do it in a way which allows evil to collapse on its own weight. And that's what I'm trying to say. What Trump did exemplifies that. He didn't get up off of the, okay, when he got shot at, he ducks. When he comes back up, he could have stayed hidden and gotten out of there and say, see you later, guys. I'll talk to you later.

That would have been weakness. Or he could have got up and said, hey, who is that guy that shot at me? Get him and bring his face on a pipe on a head. bring his head on a dish or something. You know, tear it, get up, kill him. Now, would that have given the same ecstatic goosebumps moment that has like charmed the whole world over? No.

It would have fallen flat because we're a Christ haunted nation. So we don't want, we're infected by the aesthetic of Christ on the cross, not Rambo on the cross. Wait till I get off this cross and rip you guys apart. That's not what infects our imagination. That's not what infects our aesthetic. What infects our aesthetic is someone who says, Father, forgive them, they don't know what they're doing,

and I'm going to create a personhood revolution that brings humanity away from us. And that's what I think, you know, I think Trump would have won the century if at the RNC convention he had, you know, and some time in his speech said, I forgive this young man for trying to kill me and I want to address his parents right now

or whoever was involved with raising him. I'm sorry about your loss. that would have showed a master class in leaning into the way of Christ that every leader and every parent and every brother and every sister and every person has the opportunity to be each and every day. But someone in his position, of course, could reach billions with his influence in that critical moment. And he still has that opportunity to do that, by the way. I get what you're saying from a personal point of view. Okay.

So let me bring this up. Okay. So, in my opinion, the biggest problem that we have is in this country is immigration. Okay. If somebody tries to kill me and they don't, and I want to forgive them, and I do forgive them, that I don't know that anybody's going to have a problem with that. There are some people who will say I'm weak. Okay, I don't care about those people.

but now we're talking about a mass of humanity. We're talking about a people who came together. I mean, this country was founded by Protestant Christians who had an ethos, and they did not foresee this country being overrun by people who, I mean, just are, are holy other. I mean, you can talk about in the church how maybe the church reversed the Tower of Babel. So inside the church, that's different. But the Tower of Babel has not been reversed, as far as I know, when it comes to society, when it comes to the world, there are different

countries, there are different nations, there are different customs, there are different languages. language probably being the most important thing, which specifies a people. And when you have people who come here who don't speak the language aren't going to learn to speak the language, and we have a certain way of doing things here, and they bypass those. Okay, so how are we supposed to just forgive them, or are we supposed to, you know, get rid of all immigration laws and tear down every border? No, I don't think so. I think that there's there's nothing wrong with boundaries. There's nothing wrong with, you know, it's not, I don't think it's a anti-Christian thing to do to say, you know, homeless guy that's sleeping in my bed somehow in the morning next to my family. You know, you're allowed to stay here. I forgive you. No, like, no, you have a right to have boundaries, right? You can have boundaries within a Christian ethical system. I don't think there's any incongruency with that. And so to the extent that you have, national boundaries. Obviously, I think what's happening right now with this mass migration experience where this is an art, this is an artificially induced thing by oligarchs and

governmental interests that want to destroy the best aspects of America, which are inherited from Christianity. You're right. So you get people from countries who do not have as much infection of the gospel, and I call the gospel a kind of technology that allows human beings to perceive of a world different from where they start at, right? That's why one of the first things that happens when people encounter the gospel in primitive societies is they let go of their sacrificial rituals. Well, the first things they abandon. And so he gerards onto something with the way the gospel functions. And I think the extent that other societies are not as thoroughly infected, I like to call it, with the gospel aesthetic and the ethical framework that we have been

steeped in for some time, even though we don't get it right in terms of where it should be, yes, they're going to come in and if you're just saying it's a free for all, yeah, you're going to diminish and dilute and pervert the high trust society that we have here. For example, I've often talked about, you know, this idea that, you know, you can go to even in a major city like Tampa. There was a place I used to, when I was closer to that area, I would, you know, there was a place that a farmer that would sell raw milk and it was a trust thing. He had a little bucket with a little cash, a little bucket with cash, and you put your

little money in and whatever you want to pick, self-serve and you pick out what you want. He wasn't there. He'd have maybe an assistant or something in the back. Nobody cared. It was just a trust in the middle of the city. It wasn't far away from the, it wasn't far away. And so you can't do that in other countries. Some countries you can't do that, you know, they would take the cash, take the milk and whatever.

So we don't have that in a vacuum. And we can't, but we can't, it's like it's almost, you can't go back in history. You can't go back. you know, I had this discussion with Curtis Yarpin years ago, you know, I was like, you can't rewind history and magically go back to emperor or a monarch in the way you think because the Christian of power structure is happening in aggressive dynamic through history. And the left is more effective insofar as it more effectively imitates and then perverts that haunting of the cross, the more it progresses through history.

nobody would say that we are better we are worse off the fact that we regard those with disabilities and handicaps better than the Roman Empire wouldn't we agree right we're a Christian we agree we should treat people who have handicaps and disfigurements with dignity right so there are good things that's just one of many things that Christianity has brought culturally through history through a process and the idea that you can just roll back history and go I'm a reformer guy I'm a reformer guy I I like the 1542 or 1652, or I like the medieval Catholic church. That's the perfect form of policy. Let's just go straight back to that. Or let's go to Julius Caesar or whoever you like and try to like recreate a return to Eden. That is a pagan move that fundamentally can't happen because Christianity is the story that goes somewhere. By the way, this is what animates Peter Thiel. This is what animates J.D. Vance.

This is why they're all about radical innovation. and they're all about, you know, they tend to stick Peter more than JD to a more libertarian-type view of government, that it should be restrained and not use as an Avenger, you know? There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky, they've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end.

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adopted in the West, and especially in the United States, well, I mean, that's the reason why things are the way they are right now, because it's a weak, it's a weakness. It's a, it, the reason why we have so much cultural rot is because we have, because, you know, that, it allows it, because most Christians don't want to do anything about, because they, they're basically, they're basically like, well, we lose down here. As long as we're on Earth, we lose. And things just get worse and worse and worse. But see, that's not Christianity.

That's other ideas that have been overlaid on top of Christianity, and they've become like barnacles on the back of a whale. That's not the actual entity we're dealing with. And that's okay. I'm not saying it's a pure, you don't have to. My view of Christianity is it's not an ideology. You have to get right, like some kind of like the libertarian philosophy or something. It operates on us on a deeper level.

on our perception level as we continue. And actually, Christianity changes our perception of how we relate to one another, how we consider our desires, right? That's what Gerard helps you see is like, the things that I think I am are not truly what I am. Most of what I am is something that I desire from a neighbor next to me. I don't want the Porsche because it's intrinsically valuable to me. I want it because somebody that I want to be like has one or whatever it is that you want to do. I don't have this or that effect in my voice or I don't do this or that just intrinsically because I desire it, but because I want to be like the people that have those things and have those waves of speaking and have that zip code or have that prestige have. I

want what they have. I want to be like them because ultimately we're made in a Trinity, right? Trinity being this idea that there's three persons in one being and we are made in that image so we desire union with the other. And that's something that folks who are opponents of Christianity rightly realize that there is a problem right with Christianity because Christianity does not require just that you love your family. But also it requires an obligation to extend love to your neighbor and love even to those who use you, who hurt you, who attack you. And so when you have the story of like when Jesus is talking to the woman, I mean, excuse me, when Jesus is talking to the man who says, well, how do I inherit eternal life? How do I inherit eternal life? And he tells him the story of the good Samaritan. He intentionally picks the Jewish man's rival, the ethnic rival, the guy who has a different religion than him. And he says, go and be like him, right? Go and be like the person who you think is a dog and who thinks you're a dog. Go and imitate him. And so he's pushing us into this kind of radical universality that people have to wrestle with.

Obviously, psychopaths then take that and they mutate it into an ideology to shove it up our tails, so to speak. I'm trying to be, you know, they take a twisted form of Christianity and say, oh, you want your compassion? How about 50 million immigrants right now? Bam, flooding your streets. How are you going to love them now, right? That's like a satanic perversion, a mockery of the Christian disposition, which is to give some space for the outsider, right? I mean, that's the whole point of what Jesus is doing when he's touching the unclean. When he's touching the leper, that's the outsider.

You don't let him into the camp. He's unclean. And he says, I will make him clean, right? So, yeah, there is a tension there. And I think those who are Christians, truly Christian, have to wrestle with what that looks like. and how that might rattle some of the commitments they might have politically and ideologically. Well, I mean, I have a problem with the term universalist because Ethiopia is a Christian country. I don't want Ethiopians to come here.

They're a warring people. They love to kill. They love to kill. They go into Somalia all the time to kill Muslims. they do that. I mean, it's just the way they're taught. It's the way they're brought up, yet they're Christians. I don't

want them here. And I mean, I just don't, we're separated. God created us in a way that we're separated. Some of us look alike. Some of us sound alike. Some of us come from the same place.

It's very evident to anyone who pays attention. that the United States' way of governance, the way it was founded, was specifically for northern and especially northwestern European white men. And they're the ones who could understand it. And as soon as they started importing people from other places, well, the place got pretty dangerous. And the place has just grown more dangerous and more dangerous.

They said similar things about, you know, Italian immigrants, and Polish immigrants and German immigrants. And so, you know, you're always going to have that tension between different ethnicities and their perspective about, you know, I don't want the Italians over here. They're warring people. They're hot-headed people. They're going to ruin the neighborhood.

And they've done some good contributions, I would say. And, you know, they're Europeans and they're Europeans and for the most part, they're Christians. Right. Well, that's what that, I mean, what's it going to be like when the kingdom of heaven comes to earth because it's happening now and it's going to continue to it's complete we're not I mean I don't believe that we're supposed to um it won't be segregation in heaven in other words is what I'm saying yeah but this isn't heaven this is I mean this concern and I will be done on earth

this is a literal hell this concern into literal hell well yeah I mean go take a walk through south central go take a walk through south central Los Angeles or or Chicago Right. I agree that when you have people who are sociopaths who are exploiting Christian sensibility in a kind of satirical perverted way, yeah, that's a way of gaming the ethical system of Christianity that's not necessarily an obligation. Like, Jesus doesn't say, okay, take care of the outsider and let's create a mass program with billions of dollars mostly generated from theft and corporatism and crony capitalism and then pour all of that whole system into mass importing millions of people artificially

displacing them, making sure that we get military age young men as the primary people we're pulling in. This is not at all. The whole idea of the Samaritan is that there's personal skin in the game. It's not asking for a bureaucratic policy to enact. by some kind of, you know, coercive force, like what we see with these mass migration policies that multinational, you know, entities and organizations are colluding to promote in America and Europe. So, yeah, they are exploiting an ethical consideration that's primarily done at the individual level in terms of impetus, but not something that you can then turn into some

kind of bureaucratic policy that can be mass produced. I mean, that's what I mean, Ivan Ehrlich talks about this a lot, that Christianity being perverted. It's like the perversion of the best produces the worst, right? And my answer to all of that is simply to say, double down on true imitation of Christ as the answer, because you are not in charge of the mass migration policy. And one can hope that if Trump were allowed to be in the White House, perhaps he could get that under control to some degree. But we cannot hang our hat on that because ultimately the values, if you stopped and deported every single person who's been here who came over here illegally from Biden's administration and roll back even more, you know, from Obama, all of it. You still wouldn't, you still wouldn't correct the rot of our society.

The rot of our society goes deeper than that. It goes on things like the metabolic dysfunction of being poisoned with trash seed oils, which literally creates these antisocial behaviors, mentally ill behaviors, violent, aggressive behaviors where you're running on adrenaline, you're running on cortisol 24-7 just to get by, because you've literally impaired your thyroid by shutting it down with toxic seed oil sludge in your food supply for decades. That's the problem, man. We're living in this system, and you agree with me, I think, that there's this global group of people that have a Neo-Malthusian approach to people.

They want a herd of people that they can thin, and they want to thin it dramatically. And they've lied systematically about what food is, what nutrition is, and what medicine is. And if we could roll back every illegal immigrant who's come here in the last 25 years, and that still doesn't solve the problem of what they're doing to the whole world. And so we've got to change our whole friend. of mind about like the tools to best defeat them and I think having a high thyroid is much more effective than you know any kind of you know immigration relief I mean ultimately at the end of the

day you can have both but what are we in charge of ourselves you know that well okay so yeah what can we be in charge of ourselves sure eating properly and everything that still doesn't solve the problem of it of immigration because for everything you're saying if these people show up at the border or we go to deport them and they go, well, I'm a, I'm a Christian. Okay. So what do we do? Are we deporting Christians now? Are we mass expelling 30 million Christians?

Is that something that we have to take into consideration? Because, you know, the West is, you know, I mean, I know that the West is Christianized. I mean, we've talked about this before. There would be the basically our values that like this country was founded upon were very very steeped in a historic tradition of Christianity

not in natural rights but a historic tradition of people of a certain people who happen to be Christians and I mean I just don't see how you get around kicking kicking out 20, you know, not only stopping immigration, but reversing immigration to the tune of 10 or 15 million people if they're all screaming, we're Christians. And then we have to take that into consideration because that's what we were founded upon. Yeah, I don't, I don't, you know,

that's a problem that if that happens, let's see what happens if you can deport 20 million people politically of any type, regardless of what the religious. I mean, you can just make, you can make it so that they have to they can leave i mean you can pass right Obama passed all these regulations that made it easy for them to stay and easy for them to work here all you need to do is take that away and you can just pass regulations that make it so that it's impossible for them to work here and then that they self-deport but some people are not going to want to leave and they will have they they're going to have to okay yeah all i'm saying is yeah whether whether trump gets in or not And whether he deports two people or 20 million, my only point is don't, to your audience,

I'm just saying, don't hang your hat on like that happening or to what extent it happens the way you want it to happen or not in terms of your hope. Put your hope and something. No, that's just the start. Everyone, everyone I know who wants to reverse immigration knows that that's just the start, knows that we have more fundamental problems. But if we do not get this, here's the thing. You know, you said, we have fundamental problems here.

There are fundamental problems that we're not addressing. By importing, by having another 20 million people here who are participating in those fundamental problems, it just multiplies it. I think it's an act of violence on them, too, against them, you know, the people you're bringing in. If you're bringing them in to a predatory system as fodder for an imperial machine to be used up and pit against other people that they don't understand, they're being victimized in the same way. I agree. Their cultures being stripped from them just as much as our cultures being stripped. The Christian message is a universal message, but it's not to be administered by globalists. Globalist, you know, governmental policies are, again, are a cheap rip-off of the real universal call of the Christian story, which is that every knee

and every tribe and tongue should confess that Christ is Lord, right? And that's not something to put in the backseat of our consideration. That's real. That's real. That's really happening and it's not happening. I think a lot of people think of eschatology like or you know the end of time, the end days of these things happening like we're just plotting along in history and with free agency. And then at some point Jesus is going to appear out of the clouds and we're going to go on kind of like an autopilot mode similar to you're going through a theme park and then

you finally get online and you sit on the ride and then you don't have to think. You're like, wow, I finally got it. And you sit down and you watch the thing move and it does everything. You don't have to move. You don't have to, you just experience the sensorial experience. Everybody thinks that's kind of like what it means at the end of history with Christianity. That's not. We are enacting the Dominion mandate.

We're restored to it once we are restored in Christ. Christ is the second Adam. And that's not just about repentance and then hiding in your basement or hiding away in the mountains, although there's a time to do that if things get rough and people are getting chaotic. I'm not saying there's never a time strategically. for that, but the general disposition of the Christian in history is not defeat but advance. We are the ones who set the pace of culture. It's taste. We're the ones who exemplify how to love your neighbor, how to forgive your enemy, and we have to do it. We have to double down on that

disposition if we're going to defeat the mind virus of what you like what you call with wokeism. Wokeism is a cheap rip-off of Christianity. If the real thing would show up, it would wither away on the vine because it's a much more beautiful thing to feel the compassion and the love of Christ than it is to fill this authoritarian cheap microwave rip-off of it. There's so much rugby on sports extra from Sky,

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Good luck. I love you. And that's what I'm trying to encourage people to do is to double down on the Christian imitation of Christ rather than, you know, trying to take, you know, other political ideologies and kind of situate them as well, we're going to make this the main agenda and put Christian kind of like as a thing we do on Sunday and kind of use it politically, but not really take it. It's like a special talisman you get from those 80s movies and you don't know what to do with it. And you put it in the back of your station wagon on your family trip.

And you're like, what does this do? And it's like, I don't know. It's got special powers, but I don't really know what to do with it. That's how I think a lot of people treat Christianity. Like it's just another part of their ideology. They don't actually want to imitate Christ. If you want to imitate Christ, that's a lot more uncomfortable. but also a lot more fun and a lot more exciting in terms of what we can do.

Because again, regardless of what we do in terms of what we can do in terms of the government policies, what are things that Christians should be doing right now? And my whole point is that all of these opportunities we have, while we still have freedom in certain ways, should be devoted to doing the things that Jesus did when he was on Earth. Because that's literally what he tells us to do. He says, you're my body. You would do greater things than me. And so what does that look like?

What did he spend most of his time with his body doing, healing people, and dealing with the effects of scarcity in terms of, you know, he'd help people get more fish. He'd increase their yield of their fish. That's the economic value. He would heal people of their blindness. So what should we do right now? We should be thinking about how to create radical innovation to have decentralized energy that's abundant too cheap to meter,

that is more powerful than any threat of political revolution ever will be. Political violent threats only feeds the dialectic. The energy too cheap to meter that they literally can't keep a lid on because it falls right into their own trap that they've set for their left where they've told them the planet's going to blow up if we don't stop pollution. If we can create energy too cheap to meter, that's better than their fake green energy solutions.

And we can get it to people to power their homes without relying on the grid and that they're abundant. And that means thinking hard questions about physics. That means actually being more of a dissident than just a dissident on the political matters or cultural matters, but being a true dissident on every matter of your life. Like what are atoms and what are they made of? And how can I use them for energy? And who are people who are doing things in that regard? And how can I chip in for them on a Kickstarter or whatever, go fund?

or whatever it is. Helping people get that type of stuff off the ground are the things that we really need to think strategically about. That makes a lot of sense. Science, I mean, Christians throughout the last 2,000 years have headed science, the arts. I mean, these are the greatest arts. When I go to a museum, I like a lot of the art there, but it's always the Christian art that moves me more than anything.

And, yeah, science, of course. And that is one thing that these demons that are in charge, they don't want. They don't want technical advances. They want us doing the same old thing stuck in the same old ways. And, you know, a lot of people will, you know, there's a lot of people who will tell you that they think that this, you know, this whole system and the way it's set up is,

You know, it's just evil and it's against them. And it's against white people. It's against, it's against a European man. But then when you suggest something like, okay, maybe seed oils are not good for you at all. It's like they immediately like turned into ruthless cosmopolitans and they want to fight with you. It's like, well, who makes these things? Right. Who, who's the manufacturer?

Who makes your food? Government subsidizes these stuff with their oligarchic corporation friends, yeah. Yeah, I mean, these are all, all of this stuff comes from, you know, everything that, basically everything that we have when you have, if you're on, if you're on the grid, is coming through these evil people. I mean, they want you to be in the zero-sum mindset. I'm telling you, I, look, I'm kind of, I agree that we need to have immigration. I want to go there again, but I agree with you just to reiterate the point.

But this fixation on that's where people's minds are primarily at are these like, oh, it's us versus them. That zero-sum mindset is where they want people at. They love that. They love that because it shows that the fear is baked into the very fiber of the people who supposedly see through their nonsense. And fear should never be the state of being that you operate your thoughts from. Fear is the antithesis of Christ.

Christ is love. Christ is confidence. absolute high vibrational, high thyroid confidence. You're not worried about, look, every Ethiopian I've ever met has been wonderful. I interviewed Prince Ermia Salasi, and he told me about how our government and the Soviets were involved with assassinating and richly sacrificing his grandson, I mean, his grandfather, Holly Salasi, when he was a young man. I understand, and I've met a lot of wonderful Ethiopians who are doctors, brilliant people,

wonderful people. So I'm sure we can always find stereotypes in any group. but that's where they want you to stay at. They don't want you to reach across the aisle because whether you're Ethiopian or Pete Quinonez, you would always love to make sure that nobody you ever love ever has a tumor again in the name of God. Okay?

That you would never have to worry about diabetes being the rampant problem that it is in this country and around the world because of our country. And it's sick corporate allies. Okay. Those are the things that unite people and those are the things that take the temperature down because when people are in a state of stress, because of thyroid's impaired, their cortisol's

through the roof, they got lactic acid built up instead of CO2 in their body like our body was designed to do. If we have those things operating, a lot of these malevolent stereotypes that we have about one another or this group or that group or women are this way or that way, all these things are hormonally poisoned states that we weren't in just a few decades ago, but we don't know how we're poisoned, so we don't know how to get out. And so we put that little dietary thing over as like this other little niche project that I got to get around to looking at one day. I saw some guru about keto or whatever.

No, it is the primary mover. If you don't have a biological understanding, you have no ability to pontificate about where politics can go. So that's where the focus should be is things like, what is physics? I mean, I think our total textbook physics is totally wrong. And I'm going to try to do my best to demonstrate it through the continued work I do on the show with demonstrations. hopefully inventions and discoveries. And the thing with the thyroid, I think that that can be demonstrated right now.

I can bring people to you that will show you how people are radically able to heal wounds, using CO2 therapy, putting bags of CO2 on their skin to accelerate healing of wounds. There's so many amazing things that if we were thinking more like Christ, instead of taking the bait of these zero-sum psychopaths, They're driven by fear. They're driven by stress. They're driven by insane levels of cortisol. And they memetically transmit that even to their so-called opponents.

And then their opponents spread that same disposition to people. And then they spread that with their mouth and their attitude. And they start to spread a contagion of fear, even though it looks like they have different ideologies. And I would say that spirit of fear needs to go to hell in the name of Christ. get behind me, Satan. We have things to do. We've got to kill death.

And it starts with killing diabetes. It starts with killing cancer and heart disease. It starts with healing wounds. It starts with making sure we put Alzheimer's in the Ash EPA history. And with media technology, like people like you, you can become the new CBS. You even got a better microphone than Walter Cronkite had there. And I'm not saying that patron. I've said, honestly, you could become a Peter.

You could be showing. And you can't, and you probably have showcasing the Galileos of our time, the Nikola Tesla's of our time, who are bringing energy too cheap to me. So we don't have to be in this pressure cooker environment where everybody's got low money and inflation screwing everybody out. And they're all, you know, pushed together in this artificial perversion of multi, you know, diversity or whatever. It's an artificial diversity. We don't have to live like that, man. We can take, we can say, no, we're going to change the whole game.

And our generation, we're taking that shit down. We need 50 Nikola Tesla's on cancer, diabetes, all those things, because those things are the things that everybody's pissed off about. It hurts everybody. You have no energy. You can't think clearly when you're in a state of fog because of seed oil, right? And they've demonized everything you're supposed to do to heal from it. And then they've got each other like crabs fighting each other, trying to pull each other down off the bucket. Because we're scared.

We're imitating them if we're scared. You shouldn't be scared one bit. God, the creator of the universe, said fear not. Who the hell cares what they can do? There's no one who's a bigger audience than God. God says fear not. Take it seriously and live it. Live it every day with joy and sound like wonder at what you can do.

Because you and your audience, I'm sure there's a lot of talented people who know what time it is about what they can do. I mean, I'm 100% about everything. you, everything you said, but there are other things that have to be addressed. Dazzle your guest this Christmas with Aldi's specially selected range. Discover amazing appetizers like flavored smoke salmon. Seasonal spectaculars like Bord Bia quality assured slow-cooked Irish silverside ham. Just 1999 in store December 5th and dreamy desserts like the ultimate melting baubles, indulgent chocolate with a salted caramel pouring sauce.

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and these priests and these nuns and these seminarians and these, you know, lay people who were being martyred, well, there were Catholics who decided, well, we need to stop this. You know, so sure, on a personal level, you can have your own, when it comes to your own person, you can have this idea of, I'm going to love my enemy, and if my enemy persecutes me, that, you know, I may choose, I may even choose not to, to not to defend myself.

But there are other people that need defending. And to have the ability to defend them and say no, because that may just be, they may just have to be martyred because that's what it is. That's not acceptable to me. And it's not been, and that's not the history of the church. The history of the church for 1,500 years was a certain way. This is only this whole thing of loving your enemies, but also loving God's enemies, that's, no, no, we're told to love our enemies. We're not told to love God's enemies.

There's nowhere in the Bible does it say to love God's enemies. That's something that has come about in the last 500 years, and it's a perversion. It's a perversion of what the church did for 1,500 years and how it was able to keep, and how it was able to keep barbarism in check. You can have some right-wing dictator take over America and clean up immigration or something else, and then he's bought and paid for morally on the energy question, and he assassinates people or criminalizes people who want to have cold fusion or energy too cheap to meter with 24-7 energy panels.

So that's the problem with Christians looking to centralized power, to try to, you know, like save them from, you know, the enemies of God or evil, right? Is that again, that's not, that's not what I said at all. I'm just saying that. There is that tendency to be like, well, I'm going to vacillate to that or that extreme to protect me from the other scary people. But at the end of the day, that is denying the, you know, the problem of the fall, right? That human beings are fallen and that they don't have the ability to be irresistibly impenetrable. to ignorance or being, you know, selling out to ideas that may actually stunt humanity's progress.

So that's the problem when you give that kind of power. I'm not saying you want it, but I think a lot of people begging for a little FDRs on steroids or something, those people, you know, they don't understand that Christ has destroyed that type of strong structure power. Now you have to do soft power, right? You know, tyrants have to use soft power. They can't use direct power as much, right? There's a reason for that. It's because Christ and the effects of the personhood revolution have defamed more direct forms of violence.

Like, how many people hate Donald Trump, right, in America? How many people that hate Donald Trump would like to see him crucified in Times Square? Probably. A lot. How many people would actually be there and show their face on camera and enjoy watching it? I find that would be a... I don't think that would be a lot. In 2000 years, they used to put crucified people along as ornaments on the highway.

So obviously Christ is doing something in history. And the question is what and why and how does it work? What I'm saying is there's not... The Christianity is not a static thing. Like, I think people think it's basically like an SAT test. Like, okay, who's God? Is it this guy or this guy? Oh, it's a guy named Jesus.

Okay, what do he do? Okay, what do I got to do to be right with him? I got to join this church, do this XYZ. Okay, good, got it. All right, back to all right. How do we going to get rid of our enemies? Oh, my God. That doesn't work like that.

Like Christianity is doing something in history. And wicked entities like Marxism and other things that have come around in history are powerful insofar as they are effective at imitating and aping the power and momentum of Christianity. And what I'm suggesting is that we double down on the real thing. And that that actually outcompetes the enemies of Christianity and those who would hate humanity. And what I would say is, and I told you I had a hard out at 8 o'clock and we've already gone over a little bit. I would say we double down on that, but we also have a sword and a shield that we carry while we do it. Well, thank you for having, Pete.

I really appreciate it. Of course. Go ahead. Promote anything you want again, please. Sure. You just follow me on X at David Garnoski and look forward to engaging with this. Are you a wrestler now? What are you?

Well, I'm a wrestling manager. So I'm working to look for the best wrestling guys that I can partner with and help them get to the very top of that industry. And I also, it's been a dream of mine to sing in front of live audiences when I was a younger guy. And I now have been able to do that. I've been singing some standards at wrestling shows with Dory Funk Jr. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he's a W.W.E. Hall of Famer. And, you know, Hogan looks up to him. He's the oldest living wrestler of our currently, and he's quite a man.

He's battled Andre the Giant and being able to work with his promotion to be able to sing some of the great songs I've wanted to sing for people. It's been quite a ride. It's been a lot of fun. So, yeah, you've got to get in the arena, Pete. And I hope maybe you'll come in one day and maybe do a match or something. I'd like to manage you and help you fight your enemies. I could.

I am all about the K-Fab. Thank you, David. You take care. Thank you.