The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1088: Pete's Appearance on the 'Coffee and a Mike' Podcast w/ Michael Farris

Episode Date: August 4, 2024

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It's a Black Friday secret. Keep it to yourself. On this episode of Coffing a Mike, I have Peter Canonis. He's a writer, former libertarian, and host of the Pete Canonis show. On the podcast, he talks ideology, the PayPal Mafia, battle between elites, culture in this country, and much more. Please subscribe, like, and share this podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, the mic is on.

First episode of August, I bring you Peter Canonis. Pete, thanks for coming on. Thanks for doing this. And I kind of made this happen real fast. So I just appreciate your availability. And great to meet you. And good to meet you, Michael. Yeah, anything you want to talk about, list up.

Well, what do we start here? It's like Jeopardy, man. You know, we pick a category and we just take it all the way down until it's gone, right? Was it the audio double and the Audio Daily Double and the Daily Double? Daily Double, yeah. I used to watch that show when I was a kid. I used to watch that. and Wheel of Fortune, they were on back to back.

And my grandmother, I'm 46 now. She died three years ago, but she lived to be 103. And that was always the thing we would do during dinner. We'd watch those two shows. Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. Good memories. Good memories. Yeah, and it was a different time back then, right, to where we're at today.

And I wonder, you know, as we talk about the stuff and we reflect on things, it's like, it felt like a better time because we didn't have all these devices. We didn't have all this social media. all these things that just kind of screw with our minds. But you seem to manage it better than I have been lately. It was also a better time because we were younger. You know, everything's better when you're younger. But you know, not as many pains and things like that, you know,

no ailments and, you know, easier to drop a quick 10 pounds if you need to. I don't know. I just, I've gotten to the point in my life where I know how bad. the regime is I know I know where this came from I can trace the genesis of this madness and I see it dying I see it dying on the vine but it's also a wounded animal so a wounded animal is still dangerous so you have to be careful but when you take into consideration that I trace this back to the 1930s you can go you can trace it back further I mean way

further, but for simplicity's sake, the 1930s, a New Deal, and then World War II, World War II, the biggest, biggest mistake in American history, you understand where this came from, but you also understand at that time when this all started, it really wasn't even TV. So as technology grows, I'm old enough to remember three channels, NBC, ABC, CBS. In New York, we had Channel 9, We also had channel 11 and PBS was 13. So 9 and 11 were local channels. PBS was 13. You believed what they told you.

This is the only place that you could get information unless you were on some kind of crazy mailing list or stuff like that. Or maybe you were on John Birch Society's mailing list back then or something. But it's just so easy to take apart narratives now. You see narratives. You can see narratives actually being created. I mean, look at what we just saw this week.

The whole weird narrative. J.D. Vance is weird. We saw, I mean, we watched it be born. It went to Twitter to be born. It was the only place it was born. And you look at it and you're like, oh, well, this is easy. Okay. So, you know, if you're successful and you have a beautiful family

and you love your country, that means you're weird. Okay. and call me weird. Call me weird. If you love your, let's change that. If you love your nation, because I relate the country to the government, the nation I relate to the people.

Not at all the people, of course. But the, yeah, I mean, I just, I see it falling apart. I see, I'm a proponent of elite theory, that it's always a small group of organized people that are in charge, and they're the ones who are calling this. shots pulling the strings it's not as conspiratorial as it sounds people are openly talking about

circulation of the elites now and i don't know if these you know the elites that i see rising up to try to change what you know what's happened for the last hundred years i don't know necessarily that they're my friends but i know that from what i've studied they're not as hostile to me or they're at least indifferent, where I think the regime in charge is hostile because, you know, I'm straight, white, married, Christian, you know, Catholic, especially Catholic. And yeah, so I don't see the, I see the regime in charge as being insanely hostile towards all of that. But the counter elites that I see rising up, I don't see them being hostile. I see them just being like, we have a lot of work to do. And as long as you're not actively fighting against us, we'll leave you alone.

Well, and you brought up when you were on Tom's show the power struggle that's going on at the top right now. And, you know, if I think of this when I heard that and the thoughts I had in my head prior to that, prior to you saying it, I think, okay, on one side, and you correct me here, one side you got Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, who am I missing? On the tech side. Mark Andreessen, Mark Andreessen, Ben Horowitz. And then the other side of it, you got George Soros.

Would the Weft be part of the other side? Well, the Economic Forum, the City of London, trademarked city of London, not the city of London with the bad teeth and driving on the wrong side of the road, but the city of London Corporation that basically runs all the banking in the world. Yeah, that's who I would see to be on the other side. Yeah, the people that they, the entities that they control APEC, obviously, the people who orchestrate wars and get Christians killing Christians in Russia and Ukraine, And those are the people that I see on the other side.

So then what about the people like Larry Fink and Jamie Diamond? Do they play a part in this equation? Larry Fink and Jamie Diamond are two separate people. Larry Fink is the enemy. Jamie Diamond is a friend. Friend is a tough word. It's just a problem is most people don't have the nuance to understand And when you're talking about elites and you talk about the friend-enemy distinction, the way I look at it is.

And Jeff Dice, he used to be the president of the Mises Institute year and stepped down a couple of years ago. He said it best to me in February 2021. He said, I'm not a libertarian anymore. Basically, there's two groups. There's the group that want me dead and want me, you know, want me to submit to that. them and to be subversive, to, yeah, they hate what I stand for. And then there's the people who don't. And I think that's one of the issues that a lot of people have is most people, and I used to be

a libertarian, so I was highly ideological. I lived my, my ideology in a box, and anything outside that box was evil and, et cetera. But once you get outside, once you realize, that your ideology is never going to exist in reality. James Burnham wrote about this perfectly in suicide of the West. He said basically all ideology is formed in a lab. And as soon as it's released into the air, it just mutates.

And I think of Mike Tyson's old line when people are like, oh, I have a plan to fight Mike Tyson. And Mike Tyson was like, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. That's what ideology is. ideology is, I think there's a lot of people out there who think their ideology is going to, I could think of a historical example, but bringing them up, if you bring them up too soon, Pozlaw gets, gets, gets, it kicks in. Oh, please, if you don't mind, if you don't mind, I'd like to hear the reference.

Oh, I mean, the Germans, the National Socialists, and they, you know, they had all these rules about who could be an officer and who could be in the Vermach and everything. And it was like, well, we need to be able to trace their heritage to back 200 years in Germany and everything. And then when they realized that they just couldn't, they couldn't man the army. They're like, okay, we got to start back it off of this. And here it goes. And then that's how you end up in World War II with 150,000, like, half Jews fighting in the German army. And 30% of the officer corps has some of even the SS has some kind of some Jewish heritage.

because it's just like, well, we couldn't even staff, we couldn't staff this if we stayed so rigid. Yeah, ideology gets, ideology gets punched in the mouth. There's no such thing as you're not going to get your ideology. So, you know, Thomas Sol said, you know, there's no perfect. Life's about tradeoffs. And that's the way I pretty much look at politics now. So I look at the people in charge. You catch them in the corner of your eye.

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You know, it's like, okay, well, trans, you know, there's this trans thing. And, you know, they'll turn on the trans thing soon, and they'll be on to something else. They'll be on, you know, it was about black people in the 60s. It was about, it's something. new all the time. And the only thing that stays that stays constant with them is their ideology is power and your submission. Okay. The way I look at it is the regime in charge is about power and submission and the regime, the counter elites that I see rising up that are actually saying, yes, this is happening. Mark Andreessen on Twitter is saying, yes, this is happening. There are elite. elites rising up. And when I study and look at those elites, I'm way less scared of those elites

than I am of the ones that are in power now. Now, they could get into power and become complete psychopaths and maniacs. But I mean, I'm willing to chance it on that they won't because I know exactly what has happened now. And if we stay with this, if we say the course we're on right now, I mean, who the hell knows what could happen? I mean, we have a whole history of what they do. And I'm not willing to, I would rather see new people come in there, even if I don't agree with them. Even if I only agree with them on 40%. I don't agree with the regime.

I don't know what I agree with the regime on. If you start listing their policies, if they even have policies, I wouldn't even know where to start, but I know they're incompetent. I know that they thrive on nepotism, you know, what's referred to as biolaninism where you just start put, you don't care if somebody can do the job,

you only care whether they are loyal. So that's how you end up with, you know, like I remember when Hurricane Katrina happened, the head of FEMA that George W. Bush had appointed was like a former caterer. So it's like, that's how you end up with things like this. So I know that this little tech elite that I see rising up, they care about competence. They hate DEI.

They see that as causing incompetence. They hate, they don't like this unlimited free trade. which basically sends all of our manufacturing somewhere else and you know well historically what that does and i'm i'm reading a book now called kudat by um edward ludfak and he talks about how once once somebody takes over your manufacturing you're basically enslaved to them you can't how do you treat them you if they do something you can't have a negative opinion about them and that's the way they've kept African countries and smaller countries at bay for years is saying, you can't, we're the only ones that can manufacture that and you have to buy from us.

And you have to get your spare parts from us. You have to get your training from us. And you have to get everything from us. So I see these guys as coming in being protectionist. I have no problem with that. I'm a big fan of the economist Friedrich List, said that free trade. list said that free trade within the country, tariffs without, and tariffs on anything from without. If they tariff you who cares, it'll probably cancel itself out. And yeah, I'm just looking

at the devil I know, and it truly is the devil. And somebody put it this way the other day. They said, we have demons in charge. And maybe these people are lesser demons, but in order to get these arch demons out, we might have to root for the lesser demons. And at least to give us some breathing space so we can continue building our own, building our own systems. And we can get around to that too. This isn't a simplistic, you know, what's rolling around up here isn't simplistic A and B.

I think that's the problem with most people is most people just want an A-B. They want to have two choices and they want to have a straight, narrow path ahead. That doesn't exist when it comes to politics, ever, never has. Well, especially now, you know, and I think to add to what you said, people want it to be simple because they want to go back to the way things were before COVID. And I don't know if it's in denial, and it's probably a combination of multiple things, but in denial or, you know, ignore, just ignoring this, or they just flat out, you know, they don't want to be involved.

And they think if they just bury their head in the sand, this will all go away. And the election will fix this. Well, I mean, that is a very naive way of thinking. You know, the James Lindsay's of the world, the classical liberal core, you know, they want to go back to the 1990s. You know, they see the 1990s as like the pinnacle of civilization. Good movies. There was a lot of bad sequels that were classics that came out in the 90s. Sorry, I may interrupt you, but.

No, they were good movies. It was a pretty good music, too. Let's sidetrack for a second, because I'm like a 90s kid I was talking about the summer of, literally my mother the other day. Because we used to go to the movies all the time. Are you a movie guy? I mean, yeah, I'm pretty familiar with any movie you'll mention it, unless it's been out in the last five years or so. That's time the same thing.

We probably do an whole hour about talking about movies. But the summer of, I think it was 1990, it was bad sequels. And you had Die Hard 2, Gremlins 2, Young Guns 2, I forgot the guys, screw the other ones. But they were talking about Gremlis 2. Quentin Tintin, it was like, that was a classic. People don't even realize what a masterpiece. movie was.

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the 90s where all this was born. Was it kids in the hall? In there's a 1991 or 1992 episode, which is basically about the woke, where the they're making fun of the woke. They're making fun of like, you're not allowed to criticize this group. And I mean, they're almost like on the borderline of pronouns.

So it's where all this started. You don't want to go back to the 90s. You can't go back. See, that's the problem. You know, it's like Nicola says, the only way out of this is through. We're going to have to push through it. And what's on the other side,

sure, you're going to you're going to hold some values because, you know, values are timeless, but it's going to look different. I know people who they want to go back to like, you know, I would love to live in 1,500 Spain. You know, the Spanish golden age, Catholic monarchy.

I mean, I would love it. Not going back to that. You know, I have friends who would love to, you know, national socialism. well, I mean, try it locally. You know, we'll see what happens. You know, people still want, oh, communism, socialism, that work out. So we're not going back.

We're going through. And the only question at this point is, what does the other side look like? When you take into consideration how technology is moving, I mean, I think you're not going to be able to escape the fact that the status quo. And when I say the status quo, I mean what most people are going to accept doesn't mean you have to accept it. There's a reason why I live where I live because I don't want to live in a city. I don't want anything to do with it. You've been some.

Sorry, I mean, people that don't know, you've lived in cities. you've lived in, I mean, you grew up in New York, and why now, like being in a remote area, do you prefer that versus cities? Do you see anticipate bad things happening in these cities? There's just no humanity in a city. I mean, I tell this to people all the time. If you've never, like, if you've never been to New York, go to New York and on the subway and just say hi to a stranger. Okay, now come to my town and go to pigle.

wiggly and say hi to someone. They're going to say hi to you first. Okay. That is just a very small example. I mean, you see all these videos all the time of people, you know, people just stepping over. Okay. So I worked with this guy for, I worked for this guy for about 15 years in Fault Lauderdale down in South Florida.

He told me this story of growing up in New York in the 70s and working at this place. And it was a place that had, they were like a jobber who did books. They bought books from the publisher and then they jobbed them. They were like a middleman. And the one of the guys who worked with them dropped dead during the day, with like two hours left in the day. The end of the day is when they need to get all their old. orders out. So they just said, well, I mean, there's nothing we can do. Let's wait until we're about 15 minutes away from time to knock off and get all these orders out of here. And then,

you know, we'll call call his family and call the police and everything like that. But just push him to the side for now. Okay. I don't see that. I don't see that happening here. I don't see, I see that happening in New York. I see that happening in other places. In In places where people have no sense of history, cities are where people go or people are that descended from people who left where they had ties and they had generational ties and they had historical ties to go and either they were forced to go because there was no money to be made anymore there or they just, you know, well, we go to the cities where it's at kind of thing. And you basically, when you move to a city, you become deracinated from your history. So, you know, how do you have an ancestral land, an ancestral cemetery on your land in a city? You don't. That's historical.

That's living historically. That's something that we need to get back to. That's something that we need to make sure it exists on the other side. because when we got away from that, we got this. That's what brought us to this. Okay? And people can say, well,

what a technocracy growing? It's just going to get, well, it just means that you could work remote. You know, Elon's given a Starlink. I have internet because of Elon Musk. You know, the internet I had before was DSL 15 megabyte down.

downloads, no upload speed. I can't operate that way. But because of Elon Musk, I can live where I live and operate the way I do. And just because we're heading into a world that's going to be about technology doesn't mean that we can't live historically, that we can't have a sense of generational wealth. And when I say wealth,

I'm not talking. I'm not necessarily talking about money. I'm talking about the wealth of family. You know, the, I remember a friend of mine had a conversation with him. This was probably back in 2021. I went and visited him out in Washington State. And he said, yeah, he asked, he's like, how are you doing, you know, how are you doing financially and everything? I'm like, I'm getting by and everything.

He's like, don't even worry about it. You have something that's way more important than that. You have social capital. People like you, people trust you because you're a genuine person. And that was that changed, hearing that change my life is, I want to be somebody that people know is just honest. And I have my moments. I've had meltdowns before.

But I always become, we all have them. Just bring yourself back. come back to who you are. And that social capital is what I think about when I think of like generational wealth. Sure, you want to have land, you want to have some money in the bank, you want to have Bitcoin, you want to have gold,

whatever you think you need. But what's more important is family, friends, community, faith, that stuff just can't be taken away from you. And really, when you, in cities, you can get that. You can have family there. You can have faith there. But it's really hard to, you know, I grew up in an environment where everybody

rented. Nobody owns. It's really, you know, and I know that the libertarians be like, well, you never own it. You're always paying property taxes. Stop paying taxes on it. Stop paying your property tax. Then you really find out who on it. Oh, shut up.

Shut up. You're just excuse makers. Just losers who don't want to even try. No, you have to have something. You have to have something that you can go, that's yours and that you can always go back to, that your family can go back to, you know, that you can meet, that you can invite your friends to, and you can get to know each other, and you can make generational friends. I just, that's what we've lost. That's what we need to get back.

That's what needs to be on the other side. You know, but we, it's going to be hard to balance that. It's going to be hard for a lot of people to balance that with the technocracy this coming. I mean, we're just not going to stop it. I mean, I'm Uncle Ted's bed and breakfast, Lincoln, Montana. Okay. I've read, you know, Uncle Ted, Ted Kaczynski's manifesto, Industrial Society in its future.

I agree with probably 70% of what he said in there. I see what the Industrial Revolution has done to humanity, what it's done to the human soul. I understand all that. We're just going to have to figure out a way to get through it. We're going to have to figure out a way to defeat it. We're going to have to figure out a way to become human again. We're going to have to figure out a way to find something to work.

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And to bring this all the way back when I talk about elites, I want elites that are just going to, at best, the best I could hope for, to leave us alone so that we can build what comes next for us. for our community, for our family, you know, for kids, everyone. And until people get that, until people start to realize that that's way more important than you can do this if Kamala Harris becomes president. Okay? I mean, Donald Trump doesn't, you're still, you're not going to give up.

There's no giving up. This still has to be done. I've said this. I said this with Luongo, when I was on Luongo show recently. I said, if Kamala becomes president, you're going to have to concentrate on your local community

and build up your local community because you're going to want to strengthen your community to keep the federal government and even the state governments away. You don't want to have to rely upon them. If this rising counter elite comes in and does the kind of things we're talking about, dismantling the administrative state, which would basically gut the deep state, get rid of whole departments.

I mean, I know this sounds like a fantasy, but this is the plans that I've seen and I've heard about. You're going to have to concentrate locally because a lot of those, a lot of the funding that local and state's going to get is going to be cut off. so no matter what you're looking at you're looking at you want to be informed about what's going on nationally but you never stop building locally you never stop taking care you never stop building wealth for yourself you never stop building wealth for your family you never stop building safety for your community um and you never stop building state building safety for your town and if you happen

to be in a state that cares about these things and i mean less than less governors are pretty useless at this point as well. Hopefully, maybe you can get in a state where they care about the people enough, but it all starts local. No matter what happens national,

you have to be concentrated on doing locally. And it starts at home. It starts with you and your property. Get that straight, do what you need to do, and then branch out and look for people of like-mind. that's that's the future i think and i think there's a bigger picture here where you know and i i've i've said this you know a black pilled and i've that i'm black pilled uh and you know people have

criticized me for it but i probably should you know i don't think there's just you know like i'm not to the point i don't get out of it's like i don't lay in bed all day right i mean i'm doing this we're talking we're having conversations we're trying to you know we're going into areas that we find interesting to what's happening in the world right now. So maybe, you know, so maybe I'm gray-pilled. I think I go back off the black into the gray. I don't even know if that's a thing, gray-pilled. But you look at where, you know, where we are right now in terms of, you know, I could

see things, point things out all day long with people and society and culture. And one of the things that you just said that, you know, really resonated with me was the whole idea of having social capital. and that is something that is completely lost. You know, people are, how do I make money? Like, I hate the word hustle. I hate that word so much. You know, whatever happened to trying to build something, building rapport, building relationships

with people, and it's not always about money. It's not about the stuff you have. It's not about the cars you drive. It's not about the fancy dinners. And I look, and I think about this as I'm describing it, you know, my grandparents, And I told you my grandmother was born in 1917 and my grandfather was born in 1911. And life was hard. It was tough.

Nobody cared about money because nobody had any of it. And people sat down together and they talked and they had values and integrity and character. And that is one of the biggest, I mean, if we had that, we might not be in this mess to begin with. Accountability. Well, it was engineered out of us. I mean, after World War II, you can read books like the authoritarian person. personality by Adorno. It's basically a book,

900-page book written by the Frankfurt School about how we're never going to have fascism again. And basically what they said fascism was, was people who care too much about their families, people who go to church, people who, this was an interesting one, people who would like to see extrajudicial punishment it meted out on anyone who hurts children.

That was the interesting one to bring up. And, you know, people look at books like that, and they're like, well, I mean, there's no evidence that that was used. Well, yeah, all those things I just mentioned, and then some were attacked. The family has been under attack. Faith has been under attack. they end the book by saying the greatest way that we can find

to control people is through Eros and what they mean by Eros is free love. What do you get 15 years later? You get the free love revolution and I like to say this and people try to push back but

you know there's a reason why porn is free on the internet if they didn't want porn free there'd be no porn on the internet there's a lot of things you can't find on the internet they have algorithms they can if you're on youtube and you start singing a song they can pick up on that and shut you down take the video down i've had it happen not me singing a song but playing a song. I've had it happen. They can have an algorithm to say, okay, that's porn.

We're shutting it down. No, but it's free everywhere. Oh, what's wrong with porn? I don't know. It's one of the top three things that's mentioned in every divorce case. Maybe there's something to that.

We're, we've been, engineered. Okay. That's the thing is if we didn't have if we didn't have the the Voting Rights Act of 1964 and the Civil Rights Act of 1965 I mean who came up with that who came up with the ideas for these things who came up with you know abortion. I mean that these were things that were planned from on high the people who planned them admit that they were planned from on high, who came up with gay marriage.

Remember, you're old enough? You remember like in 2008, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were against gay marriage? They even made slippery slope arguments. Four years later, gay marriage is okay. Now they want to teach gay anal sex to kids in kindergarten. They find books and libraries, all the time.

This is engineering. This is one of the reasons why I'm not a libertarian anymore. Libertarians don't have an answer for this because they don't, they would see initiating force against people who would do this as immoral. Whereas I'm like, I don't know. If you do something that seems to be legitimate in the eyes of most people, like get your friends elected to office and then you crack down on this, I think you could stop it. Oh, no, but using state force is immoral.

Okay. Then what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Cry about it? I know, I've been there. Cried about all the things that, you know, look at what the state does. Oh, my God. Okay.

Why don't you get elected and change it? No, no, that's immoral. No, the state's the state's immoral using state powers immoral Really I mean when I look at you know like Spain in 1936 They were the communists anarchists and Republicans had plans to kill half of the Catholics in the country So what what did the army do? Most of the army said well we're not going to allow that to happen we're going to go to war using the legitimacy of the state to do it.

Were they right to do that? I think so. I think so. To me, the state is just a gun. It's the biggest gun out there. If anyone wants to say a gun is immoral because somebody might use it improperly, well, that's the same argument I hear when people talk about the state.

You know, if you want to say, well, you can't give people the power of the state because that gives them too much power. The same thing could be said about a gun. You have the power to tax. We can argue about these things all day. We've been engineered to get where we are to the point where people are, you know, conservatives. I mean, look at the RNC.

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But I also don't think they want to shove it down our throats. And I think that's what we've seen now. And it's all been, it's all been engineered. If I can just point something out to everyone, the reason we are where we are that we have the regime we have the reason we have the decadence we have is because it was planned it was put in motion and it was done by people with money and power and now we that needs to stop and i'll you know i'm not going to say i'll ally with people who i think are able to stop it but i won't definitely

I definitely won't counter signal them until I have to if they say that, you know, this is, this is what's wrong. This is what's wrong with America. Or at least to get rid of, at least dismantle the system that makes it so that it's promoted. I mean, there's this famous line from Andrew that, oh, I hear a lot of people. Andrew who? You cut out, you could out Pete. Andrew who? Andrew Breitbart.

brightbart.com. You just cut out first. I didn't hear the whole name. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, so Andrew Breitbart is politics is downstream from culture. And I used to say that.

And I still hear people say that. That's wrong. Culture is downstream from power. Power has the ability more than anything to create culture and push culture out into the zeitfest. Just look at 20, there were elected politicians who were setting up bail funds for people who were

for burning cities, burning buildings and cities and murdering people in the streets. That's creating a culture. That's the ability to create culture. They have pushes, you know, you have Joe Biden has had trans people at the freaking Easter egg roles. I mean, that is pushing the culture. That is legitimizing the culture. That is legitimizing the culture. That's not happening organically. That's not something the people asked for. You'd be hard pressed to look and say, you know, here's one. The integration, forced integration into the cities. Forcing, you know, black southerners up into, into the cities by basically destroying the economy of the South, forcing people to go north. And then force integrating cities, forcing,

Brown versus Board of Education. Were parents out in the streets saying that they wanted that? Were like en masse? If you had a high school, say William Cayley in high school in New York in 1960 had 3,500 students were there 3,500 families out there saying, no, we know that this high school right now is 80%

white, but we need it in 1968 to be 30% white and 60% black. No, we need that. That's what we're processing for. No one, no one's ever done that. We've been engineered. That needs to stop. These rising elites, I don't know if they can stop it. I don't know if they're going to make it better, but I'm willing to give it a shot because I know that this regime is, has the pedal to the metal and they just want they want things to get worse for us i don't want that i don't want that for my people i don't want that for people who share my values i don't want that for my neighbors so that was a lot i know sorry well and you know where i get where the the the the struggle i have within myself is okay to get through it and get the other side you know i look at again culturally where

I mean, people are just addicted to these phones, addicted to social media, addicted to porn, video games. I mean, God, I remember growing up. I had the first Nintendo. And, you know, but that was at a time where they were cartoonish and there was no internet and you beat the game and you were kind of, you moved on to the next game. You couldn't, I mean, these things now are like Las Vegas casinos. 24-7. You know, you wake up at 2 a.m. and, you know, play against somebody, seven-year-old in China or whatever. And so how do you, how do you, you know, again, social capital, how do you know, you're getting through that, you've got to somehow either mitigate it or, because that, like you said, it's not going away, but the other side of it, the only way for it to,

either got to live with it and try to keep the balance or something drastic would need to happen. Grid go down. You know, you have no, you don't have the means to be able to access it. But if that happens, I mean, a lot of people are going to die. Well, I mean, I think that people just need to start saying no. And, you know, that starts in here. You have to say no. You have to say no for yourself. You have to say, I'm not doing this anymore.

I'm not going to look at porn anymore. I'm not going to, I'm not going to participate in this. I'm not going to, I'm not going to shut my mouth when somebody, if somebody in public is talking about how great, you know, They're, oh, this trans person is so brave and everything like that. You just say no. And you teach your kids to do it. I know people who won't give their kids tablets or have a, have a TV in their house or anything like that.

It starts at home. I mean, you can complain about society all you want. And society does need to be cleaned up because eventually it will come for you. but it all it has to start first at home and if you're not willing to do that and you want like somebody else to do it for you i mean it's just i'm sorry i'm sorry i used to think that this argument was it was tedious at best or and usually the reason i didn't like this argument was because the people who were making it were usually like pro porn. I'm not.

I'm saying that if you you're, it's not going to be stopped. Okay, they're not taking it off the internet. If you don't want your kids to see it, if you don't want to see it, you're going to have to make the decision that you're not going to see it. You're going to have to make the decision that your kids, you're going to do everything you can,

that your kids don't see it. And then go from there and then maybe work locally to see what you can, you know, see if they're, There's anything you can do statewide to bring suits against Google or whomever. State has power, has money to do things like that. Right now, state should be going after Google for their algorithms, how they manipulate their algorithms if you just type in Trump rally and then Kamala comes up.

you know if you you know if it really bothers you that much you can use another search engine or something like that but still it needs to be see here i think that's the biggest problem that people have is you can be against something and fight against it but you still have to make the decision that you're not going to participate in it okay just because it's there it doesn't give you the excuse that you know if you're against porn you you know if you're against porn you're You don't get to use the excuse that, well, I'm, you know, I'm, it's still there, so I'm going to watch it, but I'm going to do everything I can politically to get rid of it. No. No, you, how does that even work? How does that work on a metaphysical level? How does that work on a spiritual level? That just doesn't work. It doesn't work.

It doesn't look at the level. No, if you don't like something, you don't participate in it. And that doesn't mean that you ignore it publicly. sure, you still work to get rid of it publicly. But you have to, if you're participating in it, you're basically, you know, giving it power. You know, I mean, I know, I've heard people say that about voting. Oh, well, you know, if you vote, you're just, you know, you're consenting to the system. I thought that.

No, really, it's like the only power we have left. I mean, someone said it's either the ballot box or the cartridge box. I don't think we want, I don't think anybody wants to get there. That may be inevitable. But, you know, for now, the ballot box may be the only thing we have. And if they're taking that away from us, you know, like they did, I won't mention it if you put this up on YouTube because that gets a video struck really quickly. I put it in Rumble, so go ahead, go ahead, mention it. Yeah, if you do the 2020 election, if they decide to do that again, well, then, you know,

people are just going to drop out. People are going to become more black-pilled. And some people may decide, well, you know, it's time for violence. I just don't see how you can, to me, violence at this point is just you, taking out your anger and you're just completely frustrated because nothing's going to nothing positive is going to have to come from it you don't control the narrative you don't control the courts you don't control anything if you're against this regime just nothing positive comes from it there's no way you're not you're not winning any

hearts and minds even the people who are on your side will say it was stupid so really it's just selfish at this point But, you know, just keep building for yourself and keep building and try to build your community. That's it. That's where we're at in the end, I think. Do you have faith in the elections as we, are we at 97 days? You know, you don't rob the same bank twice. It's not a good idea.

But, I mean, I wouldn't put it past these people because I do think these people are cunning, but I also think that they're stupid. And I think they're just stupid enough to try it again, but I also think that they're incompetent. I think many of them are extremely incompetent. I see, you know, people talk about the competency crisis and, you know, talk about you can't get good service in a restaurant or a supermarket or something like that.

But, you know, you have to remember that spills over. I mean, all the government is is people and it's Americans. have you met Americans? A lot of them need help. A lot of them need guidance. A lot of them need leadership. And there's no leadership in government. So I don't know.

I don't know if they can do it again. I mean, they possibly could. I mean, anything's possible. Anything's on the table at this point. And they could just cancel the election and what people aren't going to do anything about it. So I don't know. I think if it,

I'm not one of those people who says if Trump gets elected, that's because, you know, the deep state or these nefarious actors wanted Trump to get elected. Like the nefarious actors in the regime right now, I just don't see, see the point. People are like, well,

if Trump gets elected, that means that right winger, not really right wingers, but conservatives, and Republicans, they become, they back off and it's like a pressure release valve and everything like that. It's like, I don't think they would want Trump, the regime in charge would want Trump to get elected just to be a pressure release valve for the right.

It would have to be something else. And then I'd have to listen and wonder why. I think there's a new, I think these new rising elites, these little tech people, I think they want to see Trump elected. But I don't know that it's for, I'm sure there are some nefarious reasons in there. I just don't think there is nefarious as the reasons for the people that the people in power want power right now.

It's my opinion. I'm not going to, I've tried to explain it as much as I can. I've had people reach out and be like, can you do an episode on every, single person that you're talking about, talking about their background, talking about, no, no, you do that. The internet's right there.

You can find out who Mark Andresen is. What are the way you doing? You didn't know who Mark Andresen was before I got into politics. Okay. If you don't know who Mark Andresen is, that means you're just completely unplugged. And if you're completely unplugged, I don't know if I want you to plug back in. You know, it's like you're going to be way more of a detriment. You may be way more just no, no.

You can do this research on your own. I mentioned a lot of names and go look these people up. You can look at their histories. You can see you can make your decision yourself whether you're going to, whether you think I'm right or wrong about saying that this is preferable to the regime and these people are preferable to the regime in charge. But I'm not going to sit there and go. go, well, Mark Andreessen was born in Minnesota, and his mom taught, no, I'm fucking doing that.

It's just like they want you to build an org chart with, you know, starting with a, and I, a whiteboard and do like the family tree and then a little bios underneath each one of them. Kind of like keep going back to movies, like American gangster. You see that when they broke the org chart? That's a good one, yeah. I mean, you do that and you end up being like Charlie and it's always sunny where you're, the meme where the whole thing is, come on, come on, I'm not, I'll give you my opinion about a group of people. Go look to people up yourself. Any information, I mean, I have some information.

I guess some private information from people that don't want me to share that information. They don't want me to share who they are because. Believe it or not, there are some people who are in the mainstream who are a lot more radical than they let on. Imagine that. They're smart enough to hide the fact that they're radical so they don't get canceled. Holy shit. What a friggin concept that you would hide your power levels. Wow.

So that no one comes so that you don't have people constantly coming after you. What a unbelievable. That sounds like magic. You had mentioned, too, I think it was you on Tom's show. It's, you know, it's hard to keeping track of all this stuff between listening, watching, reading, who says what sometimes. But, you know, these small elites, you know, if the current regime stays in power, their fear is they'll be wiped out. Well, yeah, I mean, the, you know, a couple of things that they're talking about is that would affect them. directly. One of them is

taxing unrealized capital gains. Basically the country, any VC, any company, I mean, you're basically putting companies out of business. You're basically destroying the country. And I mean, like five years.

I mean, I don't mean to cut you off, but they know, I mean, why would they do that? And why would they announce a plan like that the year of an election? Because you're basically telling the wealthy you're giving them the middle finger. Like, we're taking more of your money. Why wouldn't you wait?

I don't know. Maybe because they have a tendency not to keep those kind of promises. I mean, it seems insane. It seems insane. But, I mean, they do insane stuff all the time. They also see that, you know, the attack on blockchain and crypto. These are people who A lot of these guys, even if they're really not into crypto,

they're really into blockchain technology. So the attack on that is something else. But one of the things that they really are looking at is, is AI. They see AI as to future just as like I think any smart person other than Paul Krugman in, the late 1990s would have seen that the internet was going to be the future. And they're afraid that if they don't funnel all the energy,

I mean, amazing amounts of energy into creating into expanding AI and doing everything they can to, I think they look at it as a space race. Okay. So in the 60s, you had who's going to get into? space. Who's going to put a man on the moon first? Well, who's going to basically get to the point with their AI that they can

fight off, you know, you know, Andresen says us. He says, if China gets, if China leads us in AI technology, they're going to use that against us. They're going to take it. I mean,

I think all wars, we're going to get to the point where wars are cyber wars. And they can take down a grid. They can, I mean, and take it down for good. I mean, maybe not for good, but I mean, it'll be gone for a long time. Millions.

Millions are going to die. Just millions upon millions are going to die. Living in the South at that time is not going to be great. And they don't see the government looking towards them for leadership in that, saying what do you need? in order to win this? What do you need to make sure that this happens? You know, my friend Thomas

says that, whites to remind people that, you know, 50 to 60 years ago, Elon Musk would be working in the government. America in Jersey will be working in the government. Peter Thiel would be working in the government. There was a time in this country when people actually, when the government and the people in charge actually cared about this country, where they wanted the smartest people in government so that they could be building the infrastructure and perfecting, you know, looking towards the future, see what's going to keep us, what the future is. They don't do that anymore. And now they've become actively hostile to the people who have the ability to do that.

Well, I mean, even if I don't think that these guys are, you know, my guys, the people who can actually keep us safe from China. the people who can actually, who actually want to strengthen the military. I mean, I think at some point, from what I understand them saying, from things I've heard,

like Andresen say, is that they would like to go back to, like, they liked the Cold War because it didn't really pop off into any World Wars. He had some skirmishes here, some skirmishes there. It was pretty much just a standoff

here and stand off there. And I think they want to build the military up to the point where no one will mess with us. That's why I've been following these little tech things that they'll have where they'll go for like a weekend and a whole bunch of people will come in and they'll just like invent stuff like in a weekend and it's all military based stuff. And you'll see guys come out of their like military contracts. I think that they think that the stronger we are, the less people will mess with us. But these are the only people I see talking about like the future of the country and that they want the future of the country to be better. And a lot of people, a lot of people will look at that and be like, well, they just want to get rich. I mean, if they can keep us safe, they can get rich.

don't care. If they can make it so that, you know, China is, is neutral to us. I'm fine with that. They also don't like war from everything that I've read, everything that I've heard, everything that I've, the conversations I've been able to try to decipher and try to read between the lines, this is just bad for business. They'd rather just build. You know, they'd be like, okay, well, you know, we have this many carriers and this many things, well, then we're not going to, no one's going to mess with us. And, you know, maybe if other countries want to have wars, we can sell them stuff. And that would be fun. It's also a way to keep people, you know, in check.

If you're selling them military, if you're selling them fighters that they can't make themselves or maintain themselves or make the parts for that they're kind of aholding to us, right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be a way to keep hostile actors in check.

Do business with hostile actors like that. Oh. Interesting, huh? Interesting concept. What about where? Oh, sorry. No, I was going to say, what about where, you know, even currently now, we've got what's going on in Europe with Russia, Ukraine, and then in the Middle East,

which literally before we got on, I don't know, you don't even know what to believe or would not to believe anymore with stuff that's flying around. But, you know, with Israel and Lebanon and Hezbollah and Hamas, so those two fronts, you know, where the United States is sitting right now, I mean, what are your thoughts in relation to what you just described? Well, I mean, I think they want Ukraine ended. I mean, someone like David Sachs has been saying that this is just,

it's just basically genocide. at this point. It's ethnic cleansing of the Ukrainian people at this point. Israel, I think that they, if they're not pro-Israel, they're neutral on Israel, I would I think Israel's in

a really bad place. Because I'm of the opinion. I don't really like to get into conspiracy theories but I'll go big. I think they let October 7th happen because, you know,

gives them an excuse to go into Gaza and cleanse Gaza and everything like that. But again, I think competency is, competencies low everywhere. And also, if you think our army is infested by transvestites and trannies and everything, why wouldn't Israel be? They have mandatory, you know, they have compulsory service there. They had, like in the beginning of the war, there were like, before. 400 a day were What do they call it when they go in a wall?

It's like that. And there's a there's the the left wing. I mean Tel Aviv is known as like the gayest city in the world. These aren't people who like war. They actually are well known to hate the Netanyahu government. I mean, I actually see in my opinion, I see Israel having to become a Western nation. They can't be the only national socialist country in the world,

especially when a gigantic war was fought to end national socialism. And I'm not saying they're national socialist, but they're pretty an ethnic state and an ethno state that gives free housing to people and stuff. I mean, it sounds kind of, there's something there. I mean, I love when people say, oh, they're the only democracy in the region. How do you define democracy?

Democracy is like every, like, you know, I thought democracy was open borders and anyone can come in and everyone get, you know, that's not Israel. I think Israel is going to become a Western nation and they're going to be multicultural and they're going to be basically forced. out of this war footing. And I think really that's really the only way they're, they can go forward.

The things that I see with like Hezbollah and the Houthis and people like that, you know, I have this theory and I've done a pretty good job of convincing people of it. But that's not really my job. I don't want to convince people of it. I want people to hear it. I want people to make a decision for themselves is that, A lot of this talk about war with Iran, direct war with Iran is just KFAB. Two instances I can point to.

One in 20, I think it was at the beginning of 2020, Trump actually assassinated, gave the assassination order for Soleimani in Iraq, the Iranian general. And when that happened, it was a few days later that Iran fired missile. into an American base in Iraq in retaliation. They landed. I don't believe they hurt anyone. The base knew they were coming. Trump said as much. Trump said they needed to save face.

Earlier this year, the Israel bombed the Iranian, I think it was the Iranian consulate in Damascus. And they killed two Iranian generals. believed. I believe they did. It was two. And then on a Saturday, the following Saturday, Iran sent drones towards Israel that everyone hyped up and they fell in the desert and didn't hurt anybody. And what I heard from people that I trust was, well, they needed to save face. I don't think you're, I think the reason you see these fights with the Houthis and Hezbollah and the reason they hate Syria so much.

These are proxy wars because they know they can't fight a war with Iran. Anyone who's ever even just sat down with a map of Iran, looked at the terrain, looked at the surrounding countries, where are you going to stage this from? You're going to reinvade Iraq? you're going to stage it from Saudi Arabia Turkey's not going to allow you to do it Turkey wants to invade Israel right now I mean no one's fighting a war with Iran

they have insanely mountainous terrain and Russian anti-missile technology is all hidden in those mountains they're in one of the safest places I mean Tehran is one of the safest places So, you know, you can assassinate a, you can assassinate the leader of Hamas in Iran, but they didn't do that with a missile. They did it with explosives.

They did it with intelligence. I don't see, I just don't see a war with Iran because you'd have to go nuclear. I mean, really, that's the only way. I mean, if you send regular missiles in there, they're going to get shot down. Some might land. Some might hit. But it's just. and you can't

and from reading army war college papers the United States would like last there's less than 30,000 um enlisted like fighting soldiers I mean they wouldn't last a month in Ukraine

fighting for Ukraine they're not going to last in Iran so I don't see that happening I think that these are just with the Houthis, Hezboa, everything. proxy wars because they know Iran

Iran backs up the Houthis, Iran backs up Hezbollah, Iran backs up Hamas. That's what I'm seeing. I mean, I just don't you know, I've talked to people who former military people who are in the know and they're just like

when you really start quizzing them, they're like, it just doesn't seem like it could happen. It would be insanely stupid. And really, the only reason I could see you doing it is you want to reduce the population. Just like they, I mean, that's what, I think that's what the plan was in Ukraine. I think they just wanted to reduce the population

of Ukraine. Somebody did. Kagan, Newland, that crew. You know, what for? I don't know. Who knows what's in those? demon's heads but I mean I just don't see the whole Iran thing the Iran thing happening I think until Israel is basically put to heal by either Jewish consensus that they have to stop being this nation that wants to control everything there and to

you know the we're going to from the river to the sea kind of stuff we're going to yeah i mean i i think what october seven did too is is that this just doesn't stop this doesn't end i think this is going to be a continual struggle um and a continual fight for israel until it either kills all of its enemies in the area or it lays down its arms and becomes a big gay disco like the rest of the West. Yeah, it always seems like you get to the edge of the cliff, like that Saturday afternoon when Iran fired those drones. It was like a two-hour fireworks show and then it was over.

And you're literally watching it in real time. You're like, oh, my God, is this it? And, you know, where it's at now, where you're seeing this, you know, you saw a couple of leaders that were killed. And the same thing is like, okay, is this going to push it over the edge? and take it to another place. But then it seems to calm down. So, you know, I don't know.

I guess we'll find out the next couple of days if it either intensifies or, you know, pulls back. But my thing is, you know, why does the United States have to be involved in this if they end up getting pulled in more directly rather than proxy? Well, I mean, because we're, I mean, anyone who. watched Netanyahu's speech before Congress and watched a few months a couple months ago when they voted for more funding for Ukraine, you realize that the people who are in charge, the people who vote on these things care more about Israel and care more about Ukraine and care more about certain foreign influences than they do Americans. That's just inarguable at this point.

Anyone who wants to argue that someone like Mike Johnson loves America more than he loves Israel is out of their mind. I mean, this is religious to them too. And this is part of their Protestantism, their dispensationalism. They're believing that Israel is the key to Israel's existence is to key to Jesus coming back. These people are nuts. They need to be replaced. I mean, they need to be marginalized. They need to be rusticated.

They need their wealth taken away from them, and they need to be put out into areas where they can't leave. They cannot be allowed to be among us anymore. These people are absolutely insane. Washington Post people, you know, their, their apparatchiks in the press, it has to stop. And the only way it's going to stop is you're just going to have to remove, these people are going to have to be removed from office. And or, I mean, you know, it's like Thomas Massey said in his interview with Tucker, with Tucker Carlson. everyone has an APAC guy

okay if everyone in congress has a representative from the state of Israel and they don't if they take the call from the APAC guy before they take the call from their constituent back in Kansas Texas wherever they're from who runs the country

well people might not want to hear that but one thing that Thomas Massey was called after that interview was an anti-Semite. No one called them a liar. We don't, Americans aren't in charge of this country anymore, or at least Americans may be calling, Americans can flip the switch on and off, but they're, they're only flipping

the switch on and off from somebody else, on somebody else's word. They're not doing it on their own. not acting on their own. And I mean, until that gets handled, I mean, which is why I've said that, you know, the whole Israel thing, they need to become, they need to become part of what, you know, Michael Jones calls the big gay disco. And, you know, that'll at least put them on an even footing with us. So.

Where can people find you? Piquaneda show, all podcatchers. And Pete Substack.com. I do three, I started doing three video, like video essays a week and just doing three like 15-20 minute videos in the morning, which is usually me waking up and just having some, not even knowing what I'm going to talk about and finding something that morning or thinking about something and thinking in real time. And, yeah, I like Substack a lot. They've been very good to me. and yeah, that's about it.

Old Glory Club. A bunch of us started a fraternity called the Old Glory Club. We had our first conference this year, and it's a bunch of people who've come together to try to remind people what this country really is all about, where we came from,

and that we need to get that, even though we're going into the future, We need to get that kind of attitude back. And we need to start caring, start thinking community-based. And we're opening, we have chapters now, started out as a national thing and online thing. Now we have physical chapters that are forming all over the country. And it's up to them to form them. And they do the paperwork because, you know, this is all official.

This isn't a, you know, like I said, it's a fraternity. and they have to set it up as a fraternity and have officers and everything like that. And, you know, some are working on local politics and some are doing other things. And we said that, you know, if one starts in an area that doesn't really need cleaning up, they can become a fishing club. It would just be about going fishing. But, you know, it's the most exciting thing that I've done in a while. And, you know, when you get involved, you learn more. But, you know, it's also, we have plans and don't always want to talk about everything openly

so that people can start trying to put together what you rather be secretive and have people wonder than give them a little bit of information and have them turn into something retarded. How do they find that? How do people go on and find Old Glory Club? Best way to do it is go to a substack and look up Old Glory Club. You'll see a, we put out three articles a week. live stream actually live stream is I just got

notification our live stream start for we have a Thursday night live stream it starts in two and a half hours on YouTube and yeah we just get together a few of us come on there from the original group and we have a guest on for the week and we talk about the latest headlines and then usually

try to throw in something really funny that we can laugh at and you know find this just like ridiculous which I don't know it might have to be that Trump interview with the National Black Journalist Association or something because that may be one of the greatest things I've seen in a long time. Yeah, that was, yeah, I... That was Trumpian.

That was Trumpian. That was like 2016 Trump all over again. Vintage. That was vintage. Yeah, vintage very, yeah. That was like a good night. Oh, go ahead. Yeah. Pete Kenyonio show, all pod catchers, Pete Substack.com, and Old Glory Club.

Yeah. And what were you going to say? I'm sorry. I was going to say Michael Jordan when he was with Washington, he'd have those vintage nights once in a while. I couldn't do it day in and day out anymore, but he'd have those occasional 35-point games. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When Mario Lemieux came out of retirement and had like a goal and two assists in his first game. your Twitter handle too or your X handle at Peter R.Kineinez.com. It's my name with my middle initial R. Thank you for doing this.

Appreciate it. Love to have you back on. And as things unfold, man, there's always stuff to talk about. So, you know, more conversations ahead. Yeah, just let me know. Mike drop.