The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1090: Violence and a Return to Honor Culture w/ Clay Martin

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

66 MinutesNSFWClay Martin is a former Marine and Army Green Beret. He is the author of several books including Wrath of the Wendigo and Barbarian Spirit.Clay joins Pete for a discussion of honor culture and how removing violence as a rational solution to disagreements has destroyed civilization.Clay's Books on AmazonClay on Twitter/XPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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even more than it already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to The Peking-Yonna show for the first time. Clay Martin. How you doing, Clay? Pete, thanks for having me, man. I'm excited to be here. Long time listener and first time guest, I guess. How this works. Okay. Hopefully first of many. So everybody a little bit about yourself or at least what you're willing to share.

Sure. All right. So my thing is I was, you know, joined the Marines. I'm 18 guy. I was reconnaissance as a sniper in the Marine Corps that I got smarter. So I crossed decked over the Army. and I was in special forces for the rest of my career. I was in a counterterrorism unit there, so I was an assaulter and a sniper for them. I taught all that stuff. Towards the end of my career, I was a schoolhouse teaching,

and I was bored, so I went and started competitive shooting as well, became a pro-competitive shooter, pro-three-gunner for a while. I grew up and had kids and stuff, so that kind of had to go out to window because that's a very expensive hobby, pro or not. Yeah, retire.

I retired, forced to retire from the Army, so I don't have free bullets anymore, which has a big, big downer. I mean, huge downer. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, now I can't even imagine. Yeah, there's no way. So I did gun journalism for a while, which is, you know, product review stuff for magazines and shit, because I got the background for it. I got really, really tired of that. So I started writing novels, and I started writing, that is 2018 or 2019? And yeah, six books now. And this is kind of what I do. I still have a training company that I run a little bit of the time, but most of the time I'm just a writer.

Where did you get your writing skill from? Where do I get my writing skills from? Man, no, no idea. And it's actually, it's funny. I don't know why I just assumed I could be the journalism nerd because I could, I just, you know, whip out 2,000 wear articles, like, no big deal. Especially about your dump shit, like, what color is that? What color of black is the anti-dizing, you know, is. fucking bullshit that doesn't matter uh so that was easy but it was so boring and

repaid i mean it was i'd do like 20 of the same ar-fifteenths in a year i don't know why i decided i could just write books but i've always actually kind of had that skill uh i graduated high school at uh at 16 but that the year that i graduated i was taking like you know ap english three and four back-to-back and so i've always been kind of able to do it I just, I really didn't know that I could turn it into novels, but that turns out I can't. Yeah. Well, let's, let's do that. Let's travel back in time a little bit. You know, when I started looking into some of the stuff you wrote, I noticed that you had a book called Concrete Jungle that was released in the middle of 2020. I assume you probably started writing that before COVID, did you?

Or was it during? I did. It was actually crazy. So I had at the time, I had written two novels, but those are, you know, novel novels. And I was actually with a publishing comics, I had an agent and all this other nonsense. And I actually started writing what became concrete jungle as a series of columns like a year before that. Also, I was living in Oregon at the time that this was happening. in Oregon is a unique place, especially back then.

Everybody knows Portland and the chaos and it's basically Antifa's, you know, ancestral home. But everything around that is red, I mean, red, red, red, red, red, red. It is good old boys. And it is actually like the only place in the union that I've ever been that like you get out far enough way in Portland. I mean, there are dudes with like swastika fucking back windows in their trucks. I mean, they don't give me shit.

Like they're flying their colors. So it was back then you could that was like the you could see the conflict coming. I mean it was just I mean it was right there it happened all the time too unlike the the fringes So that's where I got the idea for concrete jungle that's where I started writing it it it was looked at or what I was looking at it as a survival book Especially for like that that American style of of civil unrest that's you know riots and burning buildings and stuff And maybe that gets turned up to you know 11 Beirut style over over a little bit of time So I had started writing it like a year before. And it was about 70% done probably when the George Floyd riots started. And it was 70% done because every publishing company in the world had my agent kick it out to him.

Nobody wanted a survival book in 2019 or 2020. Until. Until. So it was incredibly fortunate. So the Floyd rights kick off. I'm like, oh, my God. Like I had the thing for this. Like I've done most of the work on the thing for this exact problem.

So what I did is I hurriedly finished it and I was so fortunate. That was like my contract had expired like two weeks before that with my agent. So that allowed me to self-publish my work instead of having to go through a publishing company. So I did. I made in fact the old covers like they're just complete dog shit. The first one like the first week it was out, it was like the Amazon make your own cover, which is, you know, worse than Microsoft paint. But I kicked it out there.

And that was, I mean, by far my bestselling book by, you know, factors of like a hundred. And so, yeah, it hit the streets like second week of the George Floyd rides. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you. Even before you drive. The new Cooper plug-in hybrid range.

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at the time, and I was working in Atlanta. And I was working, you know, if you go to downtown Atlanta, like the business section, nothing's going to be kicking off down there. But as you come up a little bit and you get out of the business section, that's where you have to worry. And, you know, I was working in an area at the time that was not, you know, and there was only one door between me and the outside. So when things were kicking off, we had the Wendy's, it burned down, down there,

and then some black guy got shot and everything went. I mean, besides quitting my job and staying home, what would you have suggested I did as far as, you know, going to work and everything? Quit your job and stay home and save. No. No, this, man, this was a real problem. This is what people were facing, because especially during COVID. You can't just quit, man.

Like, everything's, everything's fucked. Like, there's no money. Like, if you got a job and you still get to go, like, you should be doing that. So what I was advising people at the time is the really only thing that you can do, you got to, like, go almost like South Africa bad. You got to, like, take, like, the go bag with the rifle in it. You got to get some, like, armor that goes under your shirt at least so you can stop bullets. And you got to just hope for the best.

and I hope that you are not the guy that they come for. And you're going to start thinking about things that I think a lot of people have not started thinking about, like, how do I shoot out of my own car in a carjack situation because I'm stuck in traffic? How do I not get a guy who's the guy from Rodney King, the poor bastard truck. Reginald Denny? Yes. How do I not get Reginald Denny?

It was eye-opening for a lot of people that haven't lived in like the third world. But that was, I mean, that's what you had. That's how you had to be. Yeah, what's interesting is when you live inside the city, you, and this isn't something that is strange. People are going to hear this and they're going to think it's strange. But when you live pretty close to the city, even if you live in a pretty nice neighborhood, it's not strange to have weapons planted at certain parts in your dwelling that you can,

get to very quickly. And I don't think people, people don't think about that because what are the chances you're going to get robbed? Okay. Yeah. But I lived in a place in 2010 and it was an apartment right outside of Atlanta. And the guy above me, I didn't know, was dealing. Oh, no. And someone just came in on a Saturday night and just started shooting. I mean, the dude had, the dude jumped out his, went out his patio door and jumped off the second floor

patio to get away from this. And no, no rounds made it into my apartment, but rounds made it into the apartment across the way. Well, I was just thinking with that surgical level of marsmanship that they're capable of, you probably had no thing to fear because your one

apartment way is good. Yeah. Well, yeah. But, I would be the one guy who would catch one, you know, even though I was, even though I was downstairs, it would go through the floor and everything. Because of that expert marksmanship, I'm,

Marksmanship was Sailor's Law. Right, right, right, right, right. The safest place to be is the guy they're actually targeting, like, son of a bitch. There's so much rugby on sports extra from Sky, they've asked me to read the whole lot at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end.

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And, you know, the article in Time magazine said that a standdown was called, which just lets you know, somebody's organizing better than we are. Right. But that's for sure. It's 2024, man. And, you know, I saw it like, Trump. Charles Haywood on Twitter today said that he, what he thought was going to happen was that Trump was going to win. And then that rioting was going to happen.

And they were going to basically go out of their way to put down this rioting, but say, blame it all on Trump and everything and try to make it so that, you know, some kind of action to make Trump not come into the, come into the, come in. to the take office. So how would you recommend being prepared for this year? Oh, man. This year, man, I hate to be the panic guy and I hate to be the 10th oil

sombrero guy when I normally like to keep it a little smaller. Like it was a regular size hat. But this whole thing looks really bad to me this time. I mean, just between the stock mortgage stuff we saw today already and this week, I kind of thought

There was going to be like an October surprise where they just, you know, newt the whole economy. I don't think any of that stuff's off the table. And I don't necessarily know that they're going to let Trump win and then put down, put the riots down hard and try to blame it on him. But I do think that if he wins and who knows what the plan is, after 2020, I believe Dominion picks myself. But maybe it's Trump time to win because they want to lay the economic fallout on him.

No matter what, though, I think we're right on the cost of things turning. like really bad i mean really bad now i'm i'm not saying you know go max out the visa card but i am definitely saying within like the level of prudence uh and that you know extra money you have laying around this is really the time i i feel like to start uh taking things a little bit more seriously maybe than you have uh start weaponing up a little bit more because i think no matter what Even if we don't have a crazy moment where everything tilts over the edge, I think we're going to have a power vacuum no matter what, where things just escalate and continue to get shittier here as far as like our security situation. The power is a vacuum. The police, which as we've seen, all right, it's mostly turd burglars now.

Most of the good guys left between the war on cops, they're gone. And between the, you know, the DAs too that won't prosecute crimes. You know, everybody's where the shit left. So there's no more cops. The federal power is waning. And even if we get, you know, our guy in office, I don't see that getting better. And so organized crime will step in at Billows hole, whether it's, you know, Venezuela street gangs, actual cartel dickhatch from down in Mexico, something, something will take place. So it's sad, but I do think it's time to start taking your personal security situation a little bit more, more seriously.

for some people that's going to be maybe maybe get those like bigger ticket items that seem a little bit crazy like do i really need thermals you know stuff to defend my house like well yeah you might yeah you might uh do i really need to carry a gun every day well i do i do i do i'm pretty sure that you do too well yeah man if you have it before like this is the time to learn to learn that is not like when it's it's super bad and uh you know you need to be john wick with the damn thing the time is right now I think man and this is this is where I kind of go off the fucking crazy real a little bit but it's true this is what I believe I actually think that we need to like seriously start considering the idea of our own like towns and villages I call it the barbarian village concept but moving and I know it's hard to move and it's expensive and not everybody can get out of the house they're in all this other shit but I do think that's the future I think we're going to end up just like that, just like they were in Lebanon, like they went to Philippines, like pretty much

everybody, I thought it were in Balkans, pretty much everybody ends up, when their country's in like this pseudo, not really, maybe a civil war, but more just like a shitty collapse of empire type situation. Yeah, it seems like we're, like I'm, I'm not worried about where I live.

Like, because I live far enough out that it's, no, there's not going to be any roving gangs coming out. here, put it that way. But, you know, the suburbs are right. I mean, the suburbs are bad. Yes. And even the excerpts. I mean, the excerpts, you can, there's some worry there, too.

I agree. But, but I think it is time that people who share values and share have, have the same ideas think about, and I've been saying this now for a few years, to go and find your people and, you know, I'm not saying, do like the branch of the Indians and you all live in the same house. Right. No, that's too crazy. But yeah. And that puts a target on your back. Well, yes. In the same town, same county, that kind of thing. And, you know, find one, you know, find one like mine that's you know it takes 45 minutes to drive through it only has 15,000 people in it yeah yeah when it's man this is what people always tell me when i bring this i've

actually been this has been part of the thing since uh prairie fire as well it's like you need to move you know everybody's it's the uh it's the normalcy bias like ah you know fuck though man it's gonna be okay or like i need to be close to this job or the wife really likes you know this bullshit and the school district. Man, none of that shit actually matters. If you, if you actually think things are going to get worse, even a little bit worse, even, like I said, you know, a little bit of empire collapse, not, you know, fucking Chinese divisions on the short of bullshit like that. It's the whole different thing. But if you think it's just going to get worse, and if you think, and this is true, this multicultural society that we live in, there are elements that hate you for who you are,

I are going to go out of their way to hurt you or kill you or take your shit. The only thing that you can do is is bulk of us. That's the only step that really, really helps. And also really moving to an area where you don't have those DAs and the police, the police are the first people to tell you, you know, in a small town, the police are going to be the first people to tell you, man, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, live on the outskirts of town. I'm not going to be able to get out there. You know, I live so far out of town, my town police don't, you know, wouldn't come to the house. It would

have to be the county. Yeah. And that police, that police station is, you know, 25 minutes away. Yeah. Yeah. So they're going to tell you is you're going to have to take care of yourself in a bad situation. And you're going to have to rely on, rely on people around you. If, you know, if you do, you know, I'm lucky I don't, I don't have like a media. neighbors my need my immediate neighbors are cows but um I do have I do have close enough that in you know if if shots start ringing out they'll hear it and they'll start they'll start coming you know but um yeah I think that most people aren't thinking about that you know I mean let's face it most people don't know who the

who if they live in the city they don't know the name of the person that they share a wall with right no that's absolutely true no it's true and this has become like a thing over, you know, hell I don't know the last 40 years. My wife is funny. She actually thought I was crazy when we first met because I would go meet the neighbor. We moved houses like three or four times. And that was the first thing. Like even before our shifts unpacked, like I'm over, you know, meeting the neighbors. And like the first two times, she's like, what in the hell are you doing? Like, we were in town most of those things. Like, I share a fence with these people. I also want to know what kind of who they are. I can tell a lot by the first five seconds of meeting

someone. And yeah, you know, I'm. this is neutralizing problems before they start. As well as, you know, now I know kind of like, you know, hey, at least I know who the fuck I am when I need to talk to them about, you know, their dog shitting of my friend, or whatever. But it is weird. It makes me an outlier. And yeah, most people in the cities, I mean,

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Get the facts. Be drinkaware. Visit drinkaware.com. But also, I think what's really important is, you know, if you're a lot of you're in a city, the idea of, and I mean, this isn't, I'm not promoting this, just anybody who's listening, the idea of, you know, the vigilante squad. And I use vigilante as an endearing term, is where a bunch of people, you know, you have, you have a crew that comes together if things start to look a little bit hairy. And if you have police, who are like, yeah, well, that's just what you're going to have to do.

And we'll get there and clean up whatever mess, you know, whatever mess it is, just make sure we're not cleaning you up. You know, that's a good thing. People who live in cities, if you live in Philadelphia, look at the DA of Philadelphia. I mean, I grew up in the Bronx. I grew up in the Bronx right by the courthouse. I know what these people are like, you know, and you don't want to, these are not the people. First of all, you don't want to rely on those, on,

city police. They don't, most of them, most of them do not live in your neighborhood. They don't, I mean, they're there to get a paycheck and they're there because, especially NYPD after 20 years, you get full pension. And I'm not shitting on, most of the guys I graduated high school would became cops. It's like, I mean, I love those guys to death. But yeah, yeah, I mean, any, any honest, any honest officer is going to tell you, we're not going to be there to do anything.

going to have to do this yourself. And there's a lot of areas, like even in Georgia when I lived in Georgia, there's areas where the police do classes to teach you. I mean, too, I mean, these are things people should be seeking out. Yeah. It's, it's funny. I grew up in, in what is largely like a unique kind of like Americana fucking type of situation. Because it's the same thing. We were on the edge of a county. All right, so we lived in like three to five acre of like little tracks, wherever so houses were, you know, relatively close to get three or five acres is not that much. We're talking about open planes. We were on the corner of a county and on the best day, police response, like 45 minutes.

It's like if the guy happened to be close, Texas counties are huge too. You know, that's the guy happened to be close to your half of the county. And I'm more often than not, you, an hour, hour and a half. So a lot of things got solved. I mean, like, wild shit. One time I remember, I was very young. I was like seven or eight at the time, maybe even younger than that. Some idiot fucking teenage kid is like testing out their new hot run or something down the street.

Well, this happened to be the street, and these streets are like a quarter mile long where a bunch of little kids play. And so it goes down once. My dad's like, hey, what the fuck? You go down again because he's going around the block. I don't know what the hell he's doing. my dad goes out and tries to you know fucking yell I'm the guy like squirts around and he's like

hey son go in the house and get my shotgun I'm like okay I'm fucking six seven years old go to the house get the old browning A5 give it to him and he's like you and your friend standing in the driveway and he's talking to a body drinking beer or something bullshit and I tell me when that guy comes back okay so we're sitting out there like a little guy see turn the corner like hey dad

here he comes dad's princeton in the driveway that dude goes past he turns down the street bo-doo blows the back windshield out of his truck and a guy never comes back. That's just like normal shit for where we grew up. Nobody pressed charges. Nobody freaked. I don't even think the fucking cops ever came,

that was like a lesson learned. Like, don't be a dumbass. I remember another time, we were actually pretty close to the corner of the Four Sixes ranch. People used to go out there and Four Sixes ranch is huge and dumped dogs. So I got in this habit of dumping dogs. And dogs turn feral when they're free-ranked like that. And so at least two or three times when I was little, you know, something would happen.

There'd be this huge pack of feral dogs. They'd finally buy a kid or something. So the county sheriff would, like, send a deputy out. And they would, like, literally raise a militia of all the dudes in the neighborhood. Like, okay, we're going to forget this problem. And for, like, two days, they'd just drive around and pick up trucks with deer rifles and shotguns and massacre these fucking dogs. But, you know, that was, like, government-sanction shit. Like, okay, all right, now we're done.

You've done your duty. Yeah, so that's I mean, that's normal There's very few places anymore that that's normal But it can be Yeah, you know, and that's another thing I wanted to talk about Because it's Yeah, I'm old enough where When you were growing up

Violence was just Something you did It was a some might say write a passage. Some, it was just a part of growing up. You know, I think the reason why I can have the attitude as a Gen Xer,

the reason I have the attitude I have, and I have a real don't give a fuck attitude, I have a real attitude of, you know, some people just need to really be slapped in the mouth, is because I've been punched in the face many times. I've been in fights. And it just seems to me that this, one of the biggest problems that we have is that most people haven't taken a punch, haven't thrown a punch in anger.

Right. And, I mean, how do we survive as a, we want this to be a civilization. Right. And as counterintuitive as this sounds, being able to do. out violence. And I'm not talking about killing somebody. I'm talking about, you know, popping someone in the mouth or, you know, just decking somebody is part of making a civilization. It's part of being a civilization. Right. How do we, I mean, when I look around, I see a lot of what we're going through as a quote unquote civilization, which is becoming very uncivilized.

because people just they don't even they don't know how to commit violence right it's no it's a problem it really is it's a bigger problem than people think too for a lot of reasons uh like you don't even have to be good at it all right but part of showing that you're you know a fucking man is that you'll you'll do it all right and if somebody hits you'll hit you'll hit them back you're gonna get your asking all right that's that's good that's character development all right and it also is in some ways like a violence limiter from the you know the fucking guys that can fight down and up all right it also creates natural hierarchy all right uh you know if you're like a a a fucking peep buda gig little

faggit fuck all right you don't start talking shit to the dock workers all right because they'll hit you in the fucking mouth all right and maybe there becomes a balance in it like i don't know you're the fucking manager so you'll have that dock worker fired but i don't know there's union's right It creates a hierarchy that kind of, it stabilizes everything. When you don't have that, you start to have real problems. In anybody then they can hand out violence, especially if they're a protected class, the government is protecting them in their way. They can just run amok.

They can be total fucking bullies. Because not only will no one do anything because the state will crush them, most people don't know how in the first place. The other thing that's really fucking scary about growing up in a player, or living in a society where nobody understands violence at all. It's very easy to make those people into slaves because they don't, they don't think they can do anything. All right.

And that's the scary thing, I think, especially about where we are right now. Well, and I think that's something that has been bred into us is that... Intentionally. Yeah, intentionally. Oh, it's social engineering. So people don't understand social engineering.

You are not, I don't take you seriously political. I don't take your politics seriously unless you understand what social engineering is and how it's carried out. And one of the main things, one of the main things that has been engineered into this population is the fact that, you know, I mean, I trace it back to World War II. Okay, well, we fought, you know, we fought the most evil thing we've ever fought and we defeated it. And now anything that approaches violence, you know, anyone who is praising violence, anyone who is worshipping, anyone who, you know, thinks violence is a good thing, well, we're just going to compare them back to the, you know, to the worst people who ever lived. And I don't know how we get past that at this point, unless you, you know, we're not going to vote the bums out. No, we're not.

I mean, fuck out, we're not. Yeah, I mean, you can, the best you can hope is you get some people in there who don't hate you. As much. Yeah, you know, yeah, exactly. And, but, I mean, I just don't see a path forward for, unless you, you know, we talked about breaking up into, you know, smaller groups and everything. And you, like you said, there's going to be hierarchy in those groups. And if those groups are not groups. are willing to...

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went and did like the violence thing, like, you know, kill people and shit is down from like 20% down to like 2%, 5%, maybe. So it's become like a smaller, smaller, smaller, even amongst the guys that go to what was traditionally our finishing school. At the same time, you've taken pretty much all the violence out of everything else, and everybody else's his everyday life. It's wild to think about things like, when did video games become popular for kids? All right, and you really started taking it all their time. Well, that really only became, back in the 80s when I was a kid,

like, get off that bullshit and go outside and play. But if we were in, I don't know, the fucking hood of Baltimore, or would my parents rather I was out in the street with heroin dealers or inside with the Nintendo. You can kind of see where this started to really push at least certain parts of the country more deeply into that like nonviolent way of life. And it is wild to think about. To your point about like the bringing up in smaller, smaller groups, that kind of thing.

I personally think that may be where we're headed anyway. I don't know, even with all the surveillance tools and the fact that computers exist and make shit fast, it's communication, that kind of shit, I don't know that we can continue the way that we have been as a nation that looks like it looks like right now, especially with 50%, you know, roughly 50% hates the other 50%. So what does that become? Well, I mean, it becomes what it is, is you have a, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. You have a majority of the population that doesn't commit violence. If they knew how to commit violence, they wouldn't commit violence.

And then you have a protected class who seems to be inherently violent. Oh, they live in the street. Yes. Yeah. And they own the streets. I mean, they own, I mean, I was just talking with somebody today about, about San Francisco. You're talking about a city that has some of the richest people,

a city and surrounding area that has some of the richest people on the planet. Yet they have what is essentially organized crime. And it's organized so that people can commit crime and never pay the price for it. So how do you live? how do you live and you know San Francisco was one of those cities you know say 15 years ago I wanted to visit I wanted to see the architecture I wanted to see you know it yeah I won't go near it now no and you know that's 15 that's 15 years that's 15 years um so I mean how do you if you

have how do you solve the problem of that it seems to me that the only way to solve the problem of organized crime that is directed against you know let's face the white segment of the population you just have to get away from it I mean and because if you do anything to if if if you if you raise your muzzle at somebody you're going to jail it's a fucking problem oh it's a huge problem it's a it's a huge problem but you can also only run so far and that's part of the problem is you can you can retreat for a little while but we we are almost at the point where you can't retreat anymore uh even places like uh like boise boise is us i mean just 10 years ago was a town of 200,000 in the middle of fucking Idaho uh you know it's like Mormons and then more Mormons

and then you know some white people that used to be Mormons and that's it uh we were just back up there a little bit ago my wife went to the mall and as she came back and my wife is like most of our wives she's very you know she doesn't see things quite the way she's like it looked like she's like there was not one white person in the fucking mall the boise town mall she's like it was all uh like like literally Nigerian Somalis like it was like being in the fucking third world bizarre and uh yeah so i mean those places they're they're intentionally shoving the uh refugees into to change the uh the demographics uh and that's all over wyoming and stuff too too Wyoming is the only state that I've been to recently.

They have the billboards on the side of the road. Like, you know, refugees are the coolest and, you know, fucking please help them resettle here. All that's crazy bullshit. Because, you know, billboards cost like $20, Wyoming. You know, we get shit. But, I mean, we are running out of places to retreat. And you're right.

It's a huge problem. It's a tactical problem that, I mean, it's a fucking, it's a fact. Like, if you counter with violence, like the state mafia is coming after you. Ask, uh, ask, Derek Choblin. which if you haven't watched the pieces of that trial, every American, especially white American, should watch the trial. Look, man, I thought Derek, I thought he fucked up. Like, I thought that what, just look at the picture or whatever,

I'm like, oh, man, he screwed the pooch. When I watched the trial, because I'm kind of a trial nerd, I could not believe it. I mean, his lawyers put on the best defense I've ever seen. They got Minneapolis's own use of force guy to admit that that was protocol, like kneeling on the neck and the back and shit. for somebody that's overdosing so that they can't freak out and panic and die of a black box you everything that Derek Chauvin did was absolutely correct absolutely by the book and they I mean they

fucking buried his ass so yeah it's a huge problem but what traditionally happens also when there's a a class of people that are basically unprotected by by government that's actually usually how mafia is formed, like your own mafia. What usually happens is that mafia exists long enough to, like, stabilize the population. It just happened with, like, the Irish mafia, which has no power anymore, but it did for a long time. And a lot of with the Italian mafia, which really doesn't have any power anymore either. That's kind of what naturally evolves, like a mafioso enforcer class to protect you. and, man, look at England this week,

we might not be that far off of it. I mean, there's a lot of stuff between here and there, but I mean, we might not be that far from. There's so much rugby on Sports Extra from Sky, they've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes. This winter sports extra is jampacked with rugby.

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Yeah. And the police weren't going to do anything to the people in that neighborhood. Same thing in Irish neighborhoods. I grew up, the neighborhood I grew up in the Bronx was, it was quickly turned to Dominican, Puerto Rican black, but there were still left over Irish there. And I mean, they were told stories about how, yeah, the way this neighborhood used to be is when somebody fucked up, we took care of it. Yeah.

And, you know, you had Irish cops who would just come by and be like, everything good? Everything's good. And just keeps going. They're part of the fucking team. Yes, exactly. And now everything is this managerial, you know, managerialism has taken over everything. And everyone's a manager. An officer on the street has to be a manager.

It has to manage the scene instead of, I mean, taking care of business. And, you know, I mean, protecting. I mean, it's hard for me to. Yeah, I want to, I understand this, there could be a point where it's really important that we have the Marshall class on our side. Yeah. I've understood that since, you know, really understood that since 2020 when I got out of my libertarianism, you know, cops or welfare horror, welfare horrors thing. But the, you know, watching what they've done over the last four years, it's just so difficult for me. I mean, my town, I mean, we have, what, six officers in my town?

Total. So it's like, you know, you know where everyone lives and everything. But, you know, cities, it's like, I mean, these are people who don't, none of them. Most of them don't live in the city. If they don't, if they live in the city, they don't live anywhere near that neighborhood. And it's, it used to be that you could take care. You could take care of your neighborhood and you could take care of business in your neighborhood. That doesn't mean that you got to kill people.

Right. All right. But, you know, I remember there was a guy walking who was walking up our, I grew up on a hill. And I was in the first apartment building on the hill. And then I was on third floor, but there was an apartment on the ground floor that was on the street level. So you open the, you open the door, you walk in, you're in an apartment. instead of walking in and you're in a building. You're actually in somebody's home.

And there was this guy who just walked in, because my buddy who lived there would leave the door open. And this total stranger just walked in to the apartment and started looking around and then walked out. And I knocked on the door and I'm like, that guy was just walking in there. He went and grabbed his golf club, went up the street,

and tracked the guy down before he got to the top of the, the hill. Yeah. And compound fractured his arm. Yeah. Guy called the cops. You know, because the guy, because, you know, he's standing there with his arm hanging. Yeah. Do you think the cops did anything to my

buddy, or did they, or did they arrest the guy? I'd probably arrest the guy back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another story. And this is the way shit used to be. I worked in, I worked, uh, as a teenager, I worked in Yankee Stadium as a vendor. And my dad did, too. My dad did part-time after work.

And we got, we were, I was like 17 at the time. We got free, free beer at the end of the game. So we got, we got a little lit. And it was like, all right, let's go to the pizza shop. And, you know, he's like, call your mom. And this is before cell phones. So I'm waiting. And there's this black dude on the, on the pay phone.

And I'm waiting there. And the black dude, it turns. to me and he's like standing a little too fucking close there white boy and all of a sudden I just see my dad's fist come out of nowhere and just take the guy the guy goes down to the floor and we're just stomping his head

into the ground in the middle of a pizzeria cops show up arrest him tell us to go home with our pizza imagine today oh fuck oh may it be national news yeah

And you'd be the bad guy, obviously. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'd have to move. I mean, we'd all right. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, third cousin would be losing her job at fuck up Starbucks. Yeah. It'd be crazy. Yeah. I mean, I mean, to me, the only way we get things back under control is if we get that back. We have to be able to handle shit on our.

on our own and not worry about the repercussions for it. Now, did we go a little too far? Maybe, but, you know, don't fucking mouth off. If the roles had been reversed in, in fucking Harlem, the same shit would have happened. All right, and that's how, I mean, this is how, this is how multicultural society actually is. It ends up, it ends up as little fucking fipterms,

all right? And you don't fuck around and somebody else's fipterman. It's just the way it is. I can't think of a single functional example where it's not like that. That usually keeps things in check to a level, to a degree. But to the bigger point now of how do we get back to, you know, that kind of place, it's an interesting question. Because I, again, I think that, you know, these things have been done as they are right now on purpose.

And obviously, we are the opposite of a protected class, really unprotected class. And so the state's bringing, you know, in the end society and fucking everything is bringing all the pressure that it can to bear on us to make us comply with it will. I just personally think that eventually that won't work anymore. And people, it's going to be messy. I mean, people are going to pay for that. People are going to be killed. People are going to go to jail for the rest of their lives over nonsense. But that is, to me, it's the inevitable outcome.

there's just there's no other way it's either that or we're going to end up completely submissive and then we're going to end up exterminating and uh you know that's just it man there's a fucking option so we're going to either learn how to play dirty real real nasty shit uh done in the dark where ain't nobody looking or we're going to die yeah you wrote a book and released it you released a book this year called the barbarian spirit Well, this month, actually. Yeah. This month, yeah.

So haven't had a chance to read it. What's it about? I think that you'll dig this. It's a little bit, it's a little bit off. It's definitely different than anything else I've ever written. But actually, it was a year ago this month. It was the first time that I ever started experimenting with hallucingenics. So for me, it was psilocybin specifically.

And I didn't take it with the intent of, like, going down the spirit walk path or and shit like that. I took it because I'm still I'm still banged up from the war I had a lot of brain injuries and shit and that was mostly What I was thinking when I took it is a therapeutic not to get you know fucking stone or anything Which you're gonna tell you get stone. That's fine too So anyway I started on that my psilocybin journey and what I found Wasn't just like brain healing man I went I went to the the fucking spirit world like for realties and shit But mostly what I found, and this is what I believe to be true for where we are now,

I do think there's like a worldwide like awakening to the fact like real evil exists. It does. And it's it's that these technologist fucks that are in charge of us. It's all the, you know, fucking dickheads that want to reduce the human population down to 100 million or upload themselves to a computer and put all of us in the fucking metaverse or something to that effect. And in nature, like real nature is revolting against that. So I, what I saw was basically visions of how that goes. And visions essentially of our team like waking up and then we go to war. And it very much fits with the idea of Armageddon or Ragnarok or the fourth turning or the Caliuga.

All that's just kind of mesh together is the same thing. So one of the things that, you know, I was talking about a friend of mine last week on the show, and he talks about Christianity, considers him a Christian. I consider myself Catholic. And he doesn't get the idea. He thinks basically the way he makes us sound is we're going to pray our way out of this. This is the fucking problem. And, you know, as somebody who grew up as a Catholic, then I became a, then I was a Protestant,

and then I went back to Catholicism. And then I started studying the Spanish Civil War, which was 85 years ago. Right. 85 years ago, they were freaking slaughtering priests and nuns and seminarians. And a bunch of Catholics said, well, fuck this. Not today, motherfuckers. and they they put on rosaries and they took they took the eucharist and then they grabbed their guns and they went out and killed communists and anarchists and and libertarians yes and and and i'm like i'm

first of all i'm not going to apologize for them no second of all i'm going to lionize them they're they're they're some of the heroes is the 20th century yeah you're goddamn right yeah no this is a man this is a huge this is this is also I offended a fair number of my friends also is you know for whatever reason uh the visions that were shown to me were basically like like paganism very uh hey and that is what it is part of the problem or part of the reason i actually think that happened is uh because especially like post showfield bible christians and especially since 1945 have been something got really fucked up with the message something became very much like okay well just take your ass beating and wait on the rapture and everything's fine that's it

you's got to just take your punishment Pete it was going to kick the shit out of you and you just take it and then you be raptured everything's okay that is not the answer that is not what christianity taught for the first 2,000 years of its existence and look man I'm not just talking to my ass huh like that little tip of our shit so I I actually believe that was why my visions came to me as pagan vision. It was because in a lot of ways, most sects of Christianity cannot be fixed. They cannot, they've been so fucking weeks for so long that they cannot be fixed. Catholics, I give you guys a big pass on that.

Catholics just need to remember the Templars and the Orders and retaking the fucking Holy Land and Spanish of War, they'll be fine. I think maybe some small sex of a Protestantism could like recover that attitude. And remember the, you know, part of being pious is your duty on earth is to, you know, fucking fight. I, oh shit, man. I wrote with myself, it pulled up. I read from Western rival shooters today the speech that one of the friars gave right before

they kicked off like the Seventh Crusade. I mean, you're going to give you fucking chills. It was fucking I'll set it off line if I don't have it. But that is the problem. And it's it's fucking brainwashing. You as anybody else, especially as a Protestant Christian, you have to look back at your own doctrine,

your own words and figure out where the fuck it got so cut. And where you became such like a, like a bitch. Dude, it was Christians that conquered this continent from, I mean, savages. All right. People were getting the shit together. The West.

Yeah. Oh, dude. They paint, they painted crosses on their fucking shields and put the West to the, put the West on their knees. After the Comanchees and Apaches were mastering. They just kept coming. They just kept fucking coming.

That's what they fucking did. So those Christians, like, we can get along. Those are great. People have to find those. It had to be those Christians, though. And for mainline Catholicism, I don't know what happened to Mainline Catholics either. Again, that should be easy for you guys. That should be fucking child's point.

Well, I mean, I can tell you exactly what happened, but it's, you know, they have problems on YouTube when I, when I start talking about who infiltrated. Who infiltrated and everything. Jesuits. Yeah, it was the Jesuits. But, you know, also after 1945, it's like, well, these got people did some bad stuff to a group. And now basically the rest of our existence of protecting this group. Yeah. And worshiping this group.

Right. And, oh, by the way, they actually wrote a Bible doctrine around the fact that, unless you protect this group, Jesus isn't coming back. Shelfield Bible. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That was all his info first.

Yeah. Total horseship. Yeah. So, you know, when I look at, I want this all to be solved without violence. I would too. That would be great. Yeah. Nobody wants violence.

You know, but it's like, you know, I always go back to Charles Haywood. Charles Haywood says that it's going to come down to some kind of separation. And, yeah, I was trying to have this conversation with somebody the other day. and basically what I said was there's going to be a battle. And the battle is going to happen when we break up. Because what's going to happen is you're going to have this red area, this right-wing area over here. You're going to have this left-wing area over here. And the left-wing area is going to have abortion on demand up until the nine-month and second day.

and there's going to be no abortion over here. And eventually, people from both sides are going to start looking at each other. And they're going to go, we can't allow them to do this. And that's when all hell is going to break loose. In my opinion, we can separate peacefully. The violence is going to come after. Still going to happen. Yeah.

Yeah. When my thought on this has always been with the breakup. When have you known somebody to give up power without bloodshed? There's like very few examples of that happening. You could say basically, okay, breakup of Soviet Union was largely bloodless,

but they were also broke. All right, so that was a big deal. And they kind of really didn't have any power left anyway. You talk about the U.S. economic engine and the assholes that are in charge are in charge of basically all the money in the world, as well as a big functional, sort of functional military, I don't think that they'll let that go willingly.

So to me, I think that inevitably we end up with violence on the front side. And I mean, we live in a really weird, this is actually a good test of what's happening right now. It could be argued that what's happening right now with like the, the PayPal mafia dickheads backing Trump is that this is actually the power grab from the old East Coast power bases and the old East Coast money to West Coast power and money.

And we'll see if that's what happens and if that's how it goes down. It'd be interesting at the very least. Well, yeah, I mean, it's like I've been saying over and over again, they're not, if that were to happen and they were to impose their will, they're not coming to save us, but they can break down some walls that could actually help us.

Right. Because right now there are walls that we can't penetrate. Oh, correct. And I think that from the things I've heard and the things I've seen, the way they've watched San Francisco go, I think that they're very much interested in law and order. I think they're interested in order. I think they think order is good for business. Singapore believes order is good for business.

I do too. It's wild. It's a funny situation to be in. I've likened it's trading one set of tyrants for another. But, you know, if the other set of tyrants hates me less, like, I'm probably willing to give that a try. You know, they kind of can't hate me more. No, I think that would be impossible. You know, I just want, it's the old trope.

You just want to be left alone. Right. Well, it's like, I'm going to go with the people who are more apt to leave us alone. If I can be left alone and live in a meritocracy again, I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah, a meritocracy where if somebody gets out of line, you can take care of it on your own. Right. I mean, that would be, that would be great.

Well, as well as, you know, can my children actually advance or they held back from success, on the economic front, business front of whatever promotion, whatever bullshit, because they happen to be blonde-haired with blue eyes. That's a big deal if you're sitting in my shoes. Yeah, I mean, it's,

it shouldn't escape people. People really should be aware of the fact that these, the people in charge, the people that Kamala Harris, you know, Kamala Harris, It's like everyone else dog whistles, okay? Yeah, I mean, I'm in dog whistling is real.

I hear it all the time. I know when someone's talking to me, but I also know the other side's language so well that I know when they're dog whistling. She is currently, I mean, well, let's remember in 2020, she was looking to bail out the people who were killing people in the streets. Right.

But now she's even, she's dog whistling to certain groups. And we have to be aware of that. And we have to be able to call it out for what it is. You know, I hate the term communism because I understand what communism is, and this isn't communism. I understand what socialism is. This isn't socialism.

This is all just rule by managers and rule by people who just want to perpetuate their power and stay in power, and they don't care if everything falls apart, because by the time it falls apart, they'll be gone anyway. So, I mean, it's just, it's eluding. It's, you know, it's like Hans-Rerman Hopper talked about in Democracy, the God that failed. He goes, if you have a king, the king probably wants to keep everything together so he can pass it to his son. Right.

If you got someone who's going to be elected for two years, they're going to want to go in there and get everything that they possibly can get in those two years. and screw the future. Right. Especially when you're, you know, I don't know, a non-breeder

and you don't have children. All right. That starts to become real problems. This is the breakdown of nationalism, too. The minute that our, you know, elite, I hate the word elite, parasite class,

the minute that our parasite class started becoming, you know, quote unquote, global citizens and thinking in that way, they don't give a shit about us anymore. Or what happens to the country, as long as they have their,

their bag of gold and they can go to wherever's cool, then they will. And that's, I think that's actually probably the hardest thing for the normie to accept, is to understand, like, they really believe that. That's who they are. All right, they don't have a fucking pawn shop in Kansas. All right, they have a big bag of digital gold, all right? And they're going to be hanging out with the same people, regardless where they go. So it could be New Zealand, China, wherever.

They don't give a shit what happens to you. Well, yeah, it's also, you're certainly right about the gold. The, but the, the idea that we're going to allow, that we're going to, the things are going to get better. That's, that's the thing that it shocks me, is that people think that if you don't change, if there isn't drastic change, And you'll hear this, you know, and this, we're talking about boomer cons.

We're talking about Concern, Inc. We're talking about conservatives. It's like, drastic change needs to be made. Has to be made. Yeah, the president, and I don't care who, you know, has to be the one calling the shots, has to be running the country. And if that means that the next time a Democrat gets in there, he's the one running the country, so be it.

This is the system we've chosen unless we want to just up the system, which I would have no problem with. But one person, but one person, you know, Trump gets in there, he calls the shots. Now, I know he's not going to call the shots. It's going to be people around him. Right. But you also, why the fuck not have the best people around you, the people who know how to do shit? It just, when you have this, this system that is basically, reward your friends and punish your enemies, that would be, it would be a whole lot more interesting

if it wasn't lawfare and like going after people's money. Yeah. It's pretty gay actually to do it that way. Yes. It's what we got, though. Yeah. If it was literally like, okay, we're going to put my enemy, we're going to put my enemies on trial. and then, oh, the gallows could be the end result.

But, yeah, I mean, I just don't, I don't see real change being made until we get back to that kind of martial, that martial spirit where violence is the ultimate, is the ultimate threat. That's the way Singapore can have a multi-ethnic country. Right. I have all sorts of Asians there.

Asians hate each other way more. Oh, man. There's, Asian groups hate each other way more. Their racism is like pro level. They are up here. Yeah, at each other. Perfect.

At each other. Yeah, yeah, perfect. I mean, you can't beat it. And they have a society where they, you know, I've heard stories about where you'll have a Japanese restaurant and some Chinese person will walk in there. and the person running the restaurant will just be like get your chinese dog ass out of here and the police are not coming to this is encouraged this is the way that they keep things in order

do you do you remember that it was the 80s because i was like maybe it was early nights out of the kid there was some dumbass american teenager that went to singapore and i don't remember what the got caned yeah he had chewing gum or something bullshit anyway yeah they were gonna cane him with like 80 lashes and there was just like this uproar over here like oh my god it was on date like we had three fucking new channels back there's like date line like oh my god and you know finally they they reduced it to like 30 lads they were just tired of the bullshit you know george w or hw puts some pressure on some shit but uh man what a system though i bet their graffiti and trash on the street is like zero because you get dealt with if you do amazing wow

And you know what's interesting about that case? I can't remember the kid's name now, but I mean, I remember watching it on TV. Everybody in the States was making a big deal. I mean, a big deal all over the world being made about this. After he got caned, he turned and shook the hand of the guy who caned him. Yeah. He had more honor than the people who were crying back here about what was happening to him. Yep.

And until I'll end on this and comment freely, until we get back to like honor, where honor is, you know, you can defend your honor. I mean, I just think we're, we're just pussies. I mean, we're just victims. We're sitting ducks for any, we're sitting ducks for foreign powers to come in here and just do anything they want. They are, like, all the time. Look at what China's doing inside of our own country while we, you know, have our thumbs up our asses. No, you're, I mean, you're exactly right. And honor system will hold a lot of things together.

It held, I mean, basically from about 1,000 AD to about 1,700 when they, like, ended dueling. That's what held Europe together was, you know, honor system plus the iron fist of the church. Honor Society basically held the southern United States. together for all those years and to some degree also you know some of the northern states it was a bigger deal in the southern states uh i don't know just how it was but uh and that's also what produced i mean this is like statistically provable most of our warrior cast for like 100 150 years i guess actually you know 1884 about 100 years most of the warrior cast came from those those honor societies and the south and then the uh the west that became like their uh colonies after the war

So yeah, I mean, honor will hold a society together, but we, it's been intentionally undermined and we have none left. And getting back to that place is really difficult. I don't have an answer for it really either. Yeah. Tell everybody where they can find your stuff and, yeah, we'll get out of here. I'm on Amazon. You can find me by looking at my name, Clay Martin. I've got my own place at rat the window.com where you can find me on Twitter at way off the rest.

Appreciate it, man. Until the next time. Thank you. Pete, I appreciate it, brother. Thank you, man.