The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1092: Right-Wing Factional Unity in the Spanish Civil War w/ Karl Dahl

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

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So I really appreciate all of the support everyone's giving me, and I hope to expand the show even more than it already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanuano show. He is back, and we're going to talk more about the Spanish Civil War. Carl, Carl. How are you doing, Carl? Doing well, Pete.

Thanks. How are you doing? Doing good, man. You reached out. You said, I even have materials to share with people, talking about the, I guess we talked the last time, and I guess one of the biggest points you tried to make was that this is what was happening before the war. Closely resembles the kind of tensions, the kind of situation we have now. And then you said, well, maybe it's a good idea to talk about how the right factions came together, because just as in this country, the right factions are split,

some hate each other. Yeah. I have that. People are quoting me now saying the left gets their radicals elected. The right gets their rat. The right cancels their radicals. Yeah. So so yeah, where do you want to start?

You know, let's, I think we can take it from the top with my little slide show. So it's not just a little speech. Thank you, sir. Yeah, just to reiterate, I have a little. lot of material that I'm going to be talking about or referring to out of my substack, which is Carl Dahl.substack.com. You can see me on Twitter also. I have two books that are published. One is Faction, which is Adventure Story in the 90s that pertains to the prequel, which I released this year, which is Faction with the Crusaders, where the elder statesman of the

Shea family gets involved in the espionage business. during the Spanish Civil War. So the, you know, I was working in my elevator pitch for why we talk about the Spanish Civil War, right? And you already alluded to a couple of these details here. One is that it's the conflict, you know, again, as they say, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. It rhymes the closest, I think, to what we're likely to face here in the United States. I'm also fond of Matt Brackens, Yugoslavia Times, Rwanda, although external intervention is a big detail there. It's a big detail in the Spanish Civil War, but I think in terms of the way things play out, it's pretty similar.

And let's be honest, one of the reasons, one of the key reasons why it's the Spanish Civil War and not, for example, the Bolshevik Revolution. and it could be wishful thinking, but I don't think that that's the case. I believe pretty strongly in, you know, a lot of the population here acting and reacting instead of just passively watching the communists, get all the, you know, get the ball rolling. You know, in the Bolshevik revolution,

one of the biggest problems was that the establishment were so much like the GOPE in terms of like just letting everything happen and they were completely just controlled opposition. That was absolutely not the case in the lead up to the Spanish Civil War. And we'll talk in detailed fashion about that here in just a minute. And the final point being, you know, we've heard the death rattle of the myth of the 20th century deliberate, you know, allusion there. But the lesser known battles of the inner war period are back on the table for study. People have not studied the Spanish Civil War in English, hardly at all. They typically have a very basic meme level understanding of it. I've talked about it incessantly. You've talked about it.

Thomas has talked about it, the English language material, there aren't that many good sources for it. But there are good sources, and we want to point you guys towards that. So when we talk about why the Spanish Civil War and the United States, you know, stuff happening rhymes or could rhyme, what those parallels are. So in Spain, the empire collapsed. America, we're still in that kind of height of empire as things are crumbling around us, right? So like the empire is seems invincible or has seemed invincible, but the cracks are everywhere. And in fact, I would say the past two years we've seen the cracks more than to the point that it's undone. Deniable, especially when you look overseas. People were really, really worried in 2020, like, we're in this invincible empire. Our enemies are implacable. We're going to have to, you know, just go underground. You know, every fight is generational. You know, there's no final victory except in Christ. But politically in the world, there's no final victory. It's a constant effort.

But I think we're seeing that the empire is much weaker. And in fact, the consensus has broken. I think you've talked about it a lot. 2020, 2021, a huge percentage of the population sees our system is completely illegitimate at this point. So I have this bullet point down below, delegitimize political systems. We'll talk about the Spanish experience here in a few minutes because it's different. It's different than ours. But it relates to the deep divisions inherent to the population, which we'll touch on shortly.

And we've talked about extensively, like one of your key points is Spain was so decentralized. And it was just because of the nature of what was needed during the reconquista. and then post-Reconquista, that was the tradition. You know, the easiest thing to do is to do nothing. There were attempts at centralization in the 19th century that were really more clashes between liberalism and tradition than a centralization of people who are on common ground. So, you know, the centralization based on common ground is a big struggle,

but we will talk about that in more detail here shortly because that's a really important thing to understand about how the Spanish dealt with it because, again, that's the main thing I want to talk about here. The Spanish right united constantly at every turn. And I think we'll see some very clear parallels. I will be specific about parallels in observations that I have about like current discourse as it relates to that. You know, Pete hop in at any time to share your thoughts on that as well. And then finally, a tradition of violence. Yes, sir. Those people who love going out shopping for Black Friday deals, they're mad, aren't they? Like, proper mad. Brenda wants a television and she's prepared to fight for it,

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Yeah, I think it's interesting that Paul Fahrenheit and I are doing a Spain, Golden Age of Spain, and we were recording last night, and is one of the things that we brought up last night. was that the decentralized nature of Spain, during the Reconquista, it was almost necessary because then you could build up certain areas, and then you can come together finally. And really, it was only really Castile and Aragon that came together to do it.

Yep. But then after the golden age, after everything starts to fall apart in the late 1600s, then you have the divisions again, and you have the autonomous zones. And I've come to the conclusion that the only way that Spain can survive as the Catholic nation it's supposed to be is as an imperium. It can't be these autonomous areas. Yes.

Yeah. Absolutely. And one of the big themes in America that we talk about, and I mean, I heard you talking about it yesterday when I was listening to. gosh, it's been so many episodes lately, is there's the decentralization, there's the independence movements, or just kind of a soft breaking away. If the state is weakened, or if the state is hostile to you, you create parallel institutions. And so that's how you deal with it. We will talk about that here as well, and because the Spanish did exactly that. And again, this is about not just a historical, a thing of historical interest. We all love history,

but we are talking about history because it's so relevant to our current experience, uh, whether it's in America, it's in the UK, it's in Ireland, um, you know, our cousins are fighting it out, and I will have some editorials about the not very accurate observations people are making about what's going on over there and its implications. So the final point, you know, talking about violence is that Spain and the U.S. have, they're founded on struggle and conquest. the niceties of political debate. I would say, for example, if you were to talk about the Netherlands right now,

and this isn't an insult, and it could be inaccurate, this is me observing as a dumb American who's been there, but the Netherlands is a nice country based on, you know, that has a very vibrant military history, but there is a cooperative, monocultural element to it that makes it a little less inherently dedicated to violence. That's not the case with America. That's not the case with Spain.

Things are more likely to go hot in places that don't have hundreds of years of peace. Like the UK, for example, there wasn't a battle fought on the British Isles for hundreds of years, if you really think about it. It's been a very, very long time since there were actual battles fought there. And you can talk about, you know, the IRA doing bombings in London and stuff like that. I think that's a little different. It's still important to think about, but that's a big thing in America, is that we had a civil war not that long ago. Are, you know, anything that happens now, uh,

is going to be different than that. But we also have, you know, we're filled with veterans of the global war on terror, Vietnam, et cetera. And so, and as well as just general crime has been at the point where there's a huge percentage of the population that is just completely assuming that they're probably going to have to kill people to survive, especially now as things are rampant. up. So very, very important to understand. So again, we're here to talk about three keys to the Spanish rights success. This is a big one. And it's really important. And I think a lot of people when

they talk about getting red-pilled is you have to understand your situation and you have to become resolved to how to deal with it. We talk about the red pill and we talk about the black pill. we don't want people blackpilling. My opinion, having gone through it, is that you have to get blackpilled on the current system and then come through it, kind of like the litany against fear. You have to emerge from the fear and the black pill

to be like, okay, what are the ramifications of the situation? And then there's people who just dwell in the hopelessness, nothing ever happens, et cetera. Other people are like, Well, actually, now that I understand the situation that we're all in, what do I have to do in my life to make my situation better and then build on top of that? And you have to start at your house and your household before you can go to your street, before you can go to your neighborhood, before you can go to your town or city or county, and go up from there. So you have to understand your situation.

and then you have to be resolved to deal with it. And the Spanish right was always ready for that because they were anti-Republican. We'll talk more about that shortly. They were opposed to the system that was being forced on them. They prepared for war with the same degree of commitment and effort as the left did. This is different than individuals having lots of guns. Individuals are and their own guns are important. but it's less important than a massive individuals who are friends working together and having guns and logistics and plan and training and discipline and leadership.

And then finally, which is the key focus here, although the above pieces will be talked about pretty extensively, the Spanish right, set aside their factional differences before the war had even begun and unified at every turn. I started to say the Spanish left. The Spanish left was fragmenting pretty much right away between the anarchists

and the other groups and then the communists asserted in themselves and became dominant and started snuffing out anyone who opposed them. So you were always afraid of the people that you were associated with on the left, whereas the right,

that was literally not a problem beyond people who were, you know, huge problems that had to be dealt with. We'll talk about that here shortly. So. Yeah, I hope people get that from the reading of Last Crusade that the left was, they were not unified.

The anarchist, the anarchist, wouldn't obviously want to do their own thing. The communists, the Republicans, the ones who were basically statists. I mean, they, all three of them were constantly, constantly in battle against each other. And yeah, I mean, the right, they figured it out right away. If we're, if we're going to beat this evil, we're going to have to come together and just put all this crap aside. And one of the things that makes it a little challenging, um, in retrospect for people, people is that these groups seem really different.

You know, the Carlists, it seems really weird because there's this whole royal succession argument and it seems so quaint and weird to people in the current age. That almost doesn't matter. The Carlists, that line of the Bourbons, the House of Bourbon, they were the leadership. They were a symbol for the hardcore traditionalists who preferred the old deal, which was basically pre-medieval, about you had duties and privileges in this stated charter, and there were defined class relations, and the church and the local legal system were joined at the hip,

and any issues that you had, you had support from your, class, from your family, from your community, from the church, to negotiate these things. Whereas under democracy, you're on your own, right? And again, democracy versus republic. It was a republic through which democracy was enacted. That whole, we're supposed to be a Republican. The democracy is bullshit. Those people who love going out shopping for Black Friday deals, they're mad aren't they? Like proper mad Brenda wants a television

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but if you kind of squint, you'll be able to see what I'm talking about. You'll notice over here that these guys have flags that appear black. These guys have white flags that have, it's actually a red bars, kind of like the stars and bars, but it's just a solid, kind of a jagged red. that is the Coralist flag of the House of Bourbon. Um, over here, these are the, uh,

Falange, um, the, the Spanish phalanx. And they're typically referred to as fascist. And these guys are traditionalist royalists who are also called fascists by the Spanish left and, uh, Libthards everywhere.

and you will notice there aren't that many of these guys, but there sure are a heck of a lot of these guys. They didn't care that they were mustering under these separate units. They mustered side by side. They were plugged into the military uprising and the logistics provided by the army barracks in Pampolona under General Mola. They didn't really care because they had all been talking to each other for a while, and they were fighting the same enemy.

So heck, why would I care if this guy likes slightly different optics and talking points than me? Very key understanding here. They unified. They set aside their differences. People make so much of their differences. And they unified. Didn't matter. Now, they did have some challenges and some struggles for power later.

Who cares? Let's talk about before the war. So this will be really familiar to people who, especially people who are around, you know, mine and Pete's ages. If you were ever observing anything related to the Irish Republican Army and Sinn Fenn or however they pronounce it. I'm not Irish. I don't speak Gaelic. Every political party, when you study this period, if they survived, they had multiple elements and structures. And I've written some articles about this. I have an article about the C&T FAI and their structure and the way they organized. We'll talk about that in a little more detail later. But the long story

made short is there's an electoral party. They have newspapers that are associated with that party or faction. They're tied into labor unions because again, this is about organizing and mobilizing people socially and on the ground and also that feeds into financing them. There's also student and youth organizations, and that's where a lot of the energy comes from these groups. One thing that will be very interesting is anyone who was in Boy Scouts of America is going to be familiar with this concept. The Boy Scouts of America, when you achieved the rank of Eagle Scout, if you joined the military, you automatically became a corporal. When you finished boot camp because you already had this paramilitary training and leadership training.

And typically what would happen is like in boot camp, you would assert that, right? Like you have these organizational skills and this basic knowledge of, you know, rucking and all this stuff. And so this is where you get the energy. Old guys, you know, with beer bellies at the range, shooting. their $1,700.22s are not the core of a militia, and they won't make up the core of a militia, but they can train the like 17-year-olds, your Kyle Rittenhouses of the world, to become radicalized and become the militant underground. So to become a paramilitary or a street-fighting

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It's really important to understand that I, oh my goodness, I corrected the content of the slide, but not the title. It's the second Spanish Republic. My apologies, everyone. Spain is now in the third Spanish Republic. There were attempts at republics. Only one succeeded officially in, in the 19th century for not very long period of time.

So 1931 was when the second Spanish Republic was proclaimed. Essentially, they had been trying really hard. The Liptards had been trying really hard and pushing really hard in the 19th century to establish a republic in Spain. And there were three wars by the traditionalist groups. against the various factions that were involved, one of the key factions being a liberalized, like constitutional monarchy and a parliament that was representing the like public, political, orderly fight between the traditionalist, royalists, and the everyone else, the basically liberals.

whatever you might want to try to call them. The street fighting in and general uprisings because of the failures of all these things, because of all the social turmoil that took place in the early 20th century, it got to the point where there was a dictatorship that was a military dictatorship that was established with the blessing of the king in which a, military general Miguel Primo de Rivera was appointed dictator for a period of seven years. And a bunch of the kind of right-wing factions or what would eventually become the right-wing factions in the Spanish Civil War were working with the establishment to tamp things down through officially or through local militias that were semi-legal. etc.

Essentially, but the overall mood got to the point where there were elections in 1931 where the Republican elements, which were these vast coalitions of communists, anarchists, socialists, and various types of supposedly moderate republics. Republican, anti-monarchists won so much in these local elections. And most importantly, the press had been saying, and again, the press is associated with political parties and people with lots of money. The press declared, oh, well, this is essentially a peaceful legal uprising against the monarchy. We all want the republic. The king fled the country and the second Spanish Republic was proclaimed.

I am hand-waving slightly. It's not really worth diving into extreme levels of detail here. So you're like, oh, a republic, that's great, just like America. It's more like the quote-unquote Republic of France. And that's not even quote unquote, I should say. Think of the murderous uprisings in the French Revolution and the Republic that was proclaimed there. It was anti-monarchist. It was anti-church.

It was anti-tradition. Basically, long story short, is the leftists went wild, burning churches, murdering right-wingers, like crazy. when you see, again, this is the, according to the Lib Tarts, that there was religious and land reform. Well, what that meant was, they essentially overnight said, well, you don't own more than like 32 acres of land. And so the idea there was like small holders, you know, like the middle classes and peasants theoretically wouldn't be impacted by this and only the large landholders. in fairness, and I always add this caveat because I agree with the Falange and a lot of the Carolists, which is that there was a system, especially in Andalusia, where there was essentially a landless peasant slave labor situation on the Latifundia, which was a system of vast

states that went all the way back to at least the Romans and probably predated the Romans, that had never really been reformed even after the Reconquista. There was never a root of nobles oblige. There was never the Fueros, as you saw in the north, where all the different classes had these clearly defined rights. It was this kind of tragic situation that wasn't addressed, after the reconquista. Call me a libtard if you want. I don't care. I'm in good standing with some of the hardest core motherfuckers out there,

including Francisco Franco on the subject. Francisco Franco did away with this system. They removed that because it was not morally cool. And it also took away a weapon from the future left. So, as you can imagine, people don't like having their land taken away. They don't like having the chaos that comes with that. And keep in mind, it didn't mean that this happened overnight because people would still have to go out, take the land, take over it, start running it, kick people off, whatever. It was a lot of conflict.

The religious one was even worse, and the religious one is what really radicalized, quote unquote, or made people wake up on the right. And that's where they basically banned the church. And Spain is Catholic. Spain, there were no schools or almost no schools that weren't given to people by the church. There was almost no education. There was almost no charity. There was almost no distribution of resources for the poor that wasn't associated with the church doing it. The church is very important.

They didn't have counselors at the time. They didn't have psychology and psychiatry outside of the cities. You talked to your priest. The priest helped with everything. Remember me talking about the Fueros and how the church intervened in legal disputes and helping settle on what's appropriate punishment for people and sentences and resolving local situations between great landholders and poor people and working people. The church, and the Libthard said, nope, no more church, bye-bye.

You couldn't even have a religious procession in public. In fact, in many cases it was interpreted, you couldn't even have the cross displayed outside. The churches were nationalized, the beautiful cathedrals of Spain, of which there are many, and they are awe-inspiring and moving, were nationalized and had to start paying rent to the state. They started killing people. You couldn't have a school unless you had an approved Libtar teaching you, which meant they were. you had a communist. Yeah, people did not like this at all. So in 1933,

lawfully legally, the right wing won electorally like crazy. Now here's the important thing to keep in mind. The Republic would not appoint the, they would not follow their own rules as it related to,

the way that they should have behaved during this election. Because the conservative Catholic Party, Seda, CEDA, won a majority of House seats or parliamentary seats, but the president of the Republic, Azania, refused to appoint the head of Seda, Jose Maria Gil Robles or anyone from Seda as a prime minister. You know, they had a majority.

Refused to do it. So he appointed this guy Alejandro Leroux, who was a old school political operator from this party all the way over here at the right that's in a box, the radical Republicans. They're important to understand because they were thing for quite a long time and they essentially disappear by 1935, end of 1935, I should say. So here's the head of the government essentially, whose own party is and who is assembling, you know,

a coalition government with as many leftists and quote unquote moderists and centrist conservatives of he can, as he can, trying to deny the right-wingers, Seda, communion traditionalista, etc., from having actual party, party power, excuse me. So one of the concessions is that the head of Seda, Gil Robles, was Minister of War, so he was connected to the military, which was actually convenient. They kind of thought that that was a joke because they're like, well, we're going to be doing the social revolution and all these other other parties. So who cares what the military does because the military is this decrepit organization

in mainland Spain and all the hardcore right-wing fighters are across the water in Morocco and the Canary Islands. So who cares, right? Pretty funny that bites them because they're arrogant libitards. So anyway, 1934. is a quote-unquote response, a reaction to the reactionaries getting all this oppressive power. And they're so worried that fascism is rising, right? So there are general strikes and uprisings. There's a big revolt in, Austroius, with the miners, where the army has to go in, including

Francisco Franco. The republic sends the army in to deal with this stuff because these guys are out of control and then they're like oh crap we got to send the army like militants off somewhere so they send franco to the canary islands where he can't bother anyone they think um and then they send uh mola to pomplona because they're like that's a backwater no one cares about pomplona uh the carlis heartland anyway so you'll see that i have the words at the polls and in the streets here. So the parties at bottom, there's the Republican left, which is a Zanya's party, and they are basically like the Democrats now, where they are very radical, but they have all these trappings of the processes and everything. And then you'll see there's Republican left of Catalonia,

which is associated with them, kind of like DSA types, but Catalonian, so Sussia. separatist in Kotalan. The Republican Union is their national group. It's a, again, a bunch of libtards. The P.O.U.M. are Trotskyist communists, so less international, or at least not Soviet-aligned. And then there's the PCE, which is the Communist Party of Spain, which is 100% aligned slash controlled by the Soviet Union. They're rising in the streets. They're getting people riled up. End of 1935, LaRue's coalition, government coalition collapses.

New elections are called for Azania still, the president. What happens? All these parties on the left, the Republican left of Catalonia, the Republican Union, P-O-U-M, PCEE. and a bunch of other parties. Not the anarchists, though. I'll point out the anarchists are like, we don't want to have anything to do with the electoral process.

We don't want to give our consent to this oppressive system. They unify in a popular front. The popular front is a electoral strategy that was created by the communist international as a tactic in the 1930s. and saw pretty great success in Spain and in France. France had a Jewish left-wing socialist president Leon Bloom right about this time. So the Popular Front fortifies the election, which means they stole the election, just like in 2020. The radical Republicans aren't radical enough, so they go away.

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you know, fight branda. So they're like this system is illegitimate. So, let me step back. A touch and talk about how we got to this point. This here is the CEDA symbol. And again, this is the mainstream right-wing, mostly monarchist political party. This is the Carlist. They were represented and by the communion traditionalista, which was their electoral party, but they were never about voting. Their whole thing was, we will participate in elections to improve our position for the inevitable war to come because we know what's coming. And then right here is the symbol of the phalanche. And the important thing to understand is the creator of the Falang was General Miguel Primo de Rivera's son.

And when from the moment the Second Spanish Republic is proclaimed, you need to understand that the right-wing parties were not pro-Republic because they saw democracy as a deterioration of, authority. They felt that their old deal was better. There was the situation, particularly in the cities, whereas the cities grew and industry developed, especially in Catalonia and up in the North and Basque country, and you had these deracinated elements leaving, you know, where they were from to work in the cities and they became de-rassanated because they weren't in an alien environment you had in the north non-Basque from you know all over kind of the areas ringing um ringing basque country uh who would feel alienated in the cities working in industry very similar story to what you see in the u.s and the in the 19th century with like how the irish

responded you know the perfidious irish who became left-wingers that's me slightly teasing i love my Irish brothers and sisters, but you know what I'm talking about. The left-wingers, because you live in the fucking cities. So they fall for all the tricks, but you can also understand it because you're essentially deracinated and weakened. You're a weak individual serving as labor for the capitalist classes. So the Fallingay was an attempt to mitigate that in the kind of in the tradition of the fascists and the national socialists, which is like, we need to have a system that considers like all classes and brings them together, whereas the traditionalists are like, we have that system. It's the old system. It didn't really work out. that way, though, because these aliens would pop in and they were like almost classless labor class. So anyway, November 1931, it doesn't take long for the anarchists and the communists to say, hey, under this supposed Spanish Republic, there's not a lot of authority.

There's no one putting their boot in our face as we so rightly deserve. Let's have general strikes and attack our political enemies. Violence skyrockets. Just from this point on, it's completely bananas. December 1931, the Spanish Republic passes the radical anti-Catholic constitution. As I was talking about before, essentially banning the church as much as they could. And the right wing says, forget it. The carlists form their own political party. Yes. Even though it was pretty much written down, it was more of a de facto.

Yes, that's a very good point, Pete. Yeah, it wasn't DeJure. It was de facto. It was like, are you still going to church? And they probably wouldn't say anything to grandmothers. Yeah. Grandmothers, it's fine. They're not a danger to anyone.

Let them go and do their thing. Yada yada. They're going to die soon anyway. But you're going to get pressure at this point upon the youth. Yes. And that's the most important thing to take away from this anti-Catholic constitution. Not only that is, well, you can see five years before 1936, July to December of 1936, that this Catholic hate and the murder, the murder of clergy and the burning down of churches,

this wasn't something that just came up. Yeah, very good way to put it. Let me read something very briefly that is from the, at the time, a moderate Republican. When Leroux in 1906, he, remember at this point in the 1934, he becomes the kind of reactionary coalition creator for the republic to tamper the, say, the victory. So this is the moderate, the future moderate, Leroux, speaking in 1906. Quote, Young barbarians of today, enter and sack the decadent civilization of this unhappy country, destroy its temples, finish off its gods, tear the veil from its novices, raise them up to be mothers to virilize the species. Think about what that means.

Break into the records of property, make bonfires of its papers. The fire may purify the infamous social. organization. Enter its humble hearts and raise the lesions of proletarians that the world may tremble before their awakened judges. Do not be stopped by altars, nor by tombs, fight, kill,

die. That's the Republic. So, the conservatives are like, we don't want anything to do with this. Do you know the fascists in 1936, all they did was overthrow a republic? I know, exactly. So here's a really important thing to understand that happens at this point.

So think about it. Unlike, this is very unlike today. Unlike today, there aren't people, there aren't old people remembering fondly a republic and the orderly nature of things. That is something that is very different. So the, the, the olds were always, they were either. They're super libtards who had been like, you know, think of the old libtards that you know, who are seething with hatred.

I'm not talking about the grandma in Iowa who's like nice and votes Democrat because that's what her family's always done. You know, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the seething, gross old communists that you knew. I mean, I knew them. I had some teachers that were like that. the other like normal people were not like that at all. They were always opposed to this.

So when their sons would say, you know, I really hate this system. I want to oppose it. They would be much more inclined to be like, I think it's a wonderful idea that you're joining the recitate militia, my son. So what happened at this point is that the political, like the electoral political parties especially say that. They start having a lot of their energy go into these underground militias that they're associated with, Seda. And they had a youth movement that was very radical. They used a lot of very aggressive language. The Carlists had their recetes, which they started really seriously arming and organizing at this point in time,

although they don't really go fully ham with the weaponry until 1934. And then the Falangue appear. So in August 1932, General Sanjurho, which is a wonderful name to pronounce when you look at it and don't speak Spanish, the Sanhurhatha coup. I like it. He attempts kind of a quiet coup where the military is like some of the military goes in and says, and we're not cool with this. They get sentenced to death and then it gets commuted to like life in prison and then San Horho just gets exiled and he goes to Portugal because the the republic is kind of like we want to like neutralize this and we don't want him to be able to do another coup,

but we don't want to kill him and have like half the country rise up. So we're going to we're going to moderate. Like they were willing to moderate. They weren't They were still allowing, like, their street fighters, like their, their Antifa troops to, like, go crazy in the streets. But they weren't going to publicly do something that would radicalize their opponents. They wanted to take their time. So in 1934, remember I mentioned that, say, the electoral victory, but I call it here Pyrrhic. Because it's like, it was the end of their party. They won and then they were completely ignored.

And maybe that's not like the most appropriate use of the term Pyrrhic, but I still feel like spiritually it is because they win this electoral victory. They get nothing. And then their, especially their youth movement and their future growth just ends because all those people who actually believed in it radicalized. and their youth movement in particular starts going over to Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera and his Spanish phalanx. And then with the uprisings among the Astorians and the general strikes across the country by the anarchists, those don't do very well. And that leads the anarchists to learn that they need to actually organize. They also begin to see themselves as somewhat, as more at odds with the Republic. And they're like, let's not cooperate as much as we thought might be tactically sound early,

especially pre-Republic. The Carlists basically and say the both say, all right, it's time to put most of the money that we collect for dues and memberships and donations and everything into arming and training. the recetes and arranging a real to prepare for a real military coup. So the conservative electoral parties are basically you have people hanging out in parliament, but at this point they're like, only violence is going to be the way forward. So that's where we need to focus. So in 1935, the car lists and the Falange start training militarily in Italy. They start doing a lot more stuff that, again, it's underground, but they start taking a lot of risks, acquiring like thousands and thousands of weapons. The street violence goes parabolic, as I say here. There's way more street violence of leftists attacking right wingers and the flange start, like, assassinating people and stuff like that.

So there's that February 1936 election that the libtards just blatantly steal. And then July 13th, 1936, Dolores Ibaruri announces in the Cortez while Jose Calvo Sotello is giving a speech. This is your last speech. Officials from the republics. my brain is blanking, sorry, that basically their assault guards, excuse me, go out, arrest Jose Calvo Soelho. They attempted to arrest a phalanist who wasn't there. And then they also attempted to arrest another politician. Jose Salvo Calvo Sotello was at home. They take him for a ride. He basically tells his wife that he knows he's going to his death. They kill him. That is the thing that clinches the nationalist uprising.

So this is a view of the three key right-wing factions that are left over. So remember, I was talking about those political organizations. The fall on gay is small, but grows like crazy during the war. They kind of represent that fusion where they're trying to get people. whose sympathies might be more left-wing that are more working class. They're popular with the urban middle class, on the other hand. In the middle are the Carlists. We'll look at them in detail here in a second. They're hardcore Catholic traditionalists, mostly rural, but of all classes. And then at the right, there's the army.

And this is the organizer of the coup, that one of the chief planners, which is General Mola, notice that it is not Francisco Franco. So again, let's talk about the Carlist Requette's a little bit. They are my favorite. They are the heirs to the Carlist uprisings of the 19th century, which mostly took place in the north and the east. That's Catalonia, that's Navarre, that's Basque country, that's Aragon. They're anti-liberal, anti-democratic, Catholic traditionalists.

They prefer those old class relations. Their terminology was the Fueros. You had duties and privileges. It's a lot like the Magna Carta. Read the Magna Carta. It is a totally different deal. It's a better deal in so many ways than gay shit like the Constitution.

Their electoral representation was in the communion traditionista, but they never believed that this was their path to getting what they wanted. They always knew that it would be war. They're spread all over the country. Like I said, they're really focused kind of in the north and

more rural areas, but they also were very important in Cordova, Sevilla, and Cadez. And what they did is they were able to to help the army and working with Falunjus also secure these cities so that there were toeholds when the army came. We'll talk about that more later. Their preparation resulted in having a front line 10,000 man well-armed, well-trained citizen militia by spring 1936. They had 20,000 auxiliaries, which meant that like July 1936, they had 30,000 men ready to go.

They were at 85,000 recruits by the end of 1936. This uprising never would have happened if the Carlist Requette's did not organize their militia. If it was just the army, it would not have happened. Take that as you choose to. Organizing and Training in 1932. The Carlos had these youth and social organizations that they named in various terms. I have an article about it on my substack. I highly recommend it.

But the youth auxiliary, using the old name for an old military unit, I have to revise an article because I found the real origin of the term recet. the Juventud hymista. They were organized community defense and street fighting against leftists when they would have their religious marches, when they would have funerals for their people, when they would have church and people were getting harassed. Like you said, Pete, to not participate in church events. the Juventhuid Haimista were the ones killing people or beating them. They were fliering, they were postering, they were doing marches in uniforms, wearing masks. 1933, 1934, an army officer who had been a Mustang, a very accomplished guy who was basically a spec ops dude.

Jose, Enrique Varela, gets the alias Don Pepe, hence Pepe there. He was sneaking around in the north, organizing, training, and arming the recetes into 10-man de Curius. So that's a non-military, like, local defense organization, because, again, they were thinking defensively at that point. late 1934, they shift after the historian uprisings and all the violence to say, we are going to become a military unit. We are going to be trained militarily. We're going to have military rank. We're going to think militarily.

We're going to send people to Italy to learn to use automatic weapons and mortars and grenades and not just rifles. They are heavily armed by July 1936. the Spanish military's conspirators, the coup planners, described the recetes as the only genuine citizen army that's capable of coordinated tactical military operations. Everyone else, their militant wings were street fighters and assassins. He still need street fighters and assassins. So the Falange Española de Las Yons is

that's Jose Antonio up there in the corner. It's really hard to talk about them because they went through so many iterations in a couple of years. They had so many writers. They incorporated other groups. A lot of them were way more radical. You'll notice I have anti-clericalism strike-through down there. One of the first things that they did is when Jose Antonio went to, work with monarchists and other people as they said, you got to get rid of some of these guys,

or we're not going to work with you, we're not going to finance you anymore. So that was a constant struggle, is a lot of their like modernist, futurist people were anti-Christian from that whole, like, it's exactly what you would expect these days where they're like, oh, Christians are weak and like, we need to, you know, whatever, they had to get rid of those people because of, or at least those people had to shut up and it had to not be part of their core platform. So that took place. Their goal, though, was not to just be reactionaries. And they wanted to appeal to the, they wanted to appeal to the people that the left were appealing to. They wanted the communists and the anarchists to be in a

nationalist pro-family, pro-future, non-Bolshevist system. And that actually attracted the urban middle class, the people that were right-wingers, that were voters who were radicalized by the Republican leftist violence. People get bogged down in the details. You'll see people blogging about how Jose Anson. Antonio betrayed the revolution and all this stuff. But it's a bunch of crap. They were guys who wanted to find a spot and they became a fusion of a bunch of different things. And they had all kinds of people writing for them. And none of those visions were going to win out in Spain.

Because Spain is Catholic. Say those youth wing, the Juventu, they have. popular. They funneled into the Falunge in 1936 like crazy after the elections. So they were never very big. They were like maybe 10,000 of them up to 1935. They exploded in growth in 1936. They were outlawed in early 1936. Most of the leaders were rounded up and arrested. Most of them were martyred, like within a couple months. One of the really interesting things is that one of their kind of nerdier writers and theorists, Rafael Sanchez Amadas, the guy who wrote Kara All Soul, Facing the Sun, their song, which is an absolute banger. He actually is one of the only members of the old shirts who survived the war through all kinds of luck and blessings for. on high. So one of the more tricky groups to talk about because they were, let's be honest, they were incorporated and used for their optics and their ideas, but were not as influential

as some nerds like, who cares? That's not the point. The point is that they survived and they saved their country. So last faction to talk about, a nationalist army. And again, this isn't the whole nationalist army. This is primarily officers of the army, some people in the Navy, of course, immediately start having informal, casual discussions about, hey, what if we had a coup? like what are the conditions of that who would be involved so remember i pointed out in 1932 there was a a coup in the 20s there was a very successful coup that had uh prima de rivera in charge so this is

not like a new thing like in spanish speaking countries coups are not a shocking development um so the key thing in bold right there in the middle is that general Francisco Franco, who was cooling his heels down in the Canary Islands, he did not join that conspiracy until after Jose Calvo Sothello was assassinated by the Republic's assault guards. He was also reassured of how many people were ready to roll all over the country. If the militias had not been organized, Franco almost certainly would not have joined the rising and it would have failed like the 1932. attempt. Very important. Franco does not show up as a savior. He becomes the natural leader several months into the war because he's an elite, hardcore guy who trained an awful lot of the younger officers who were hardcore, who were involved in the conspiracy, people trusted him. And he was a incredibly shrewd guy. He was not elected. He was not chosen in advance. There wasn't an uprising under Franco. There was a general uprising under people's individual factions.

Well, and let's let's face the fact that he is the archetype Spanish Catholic. Yes, yes. I mean, there's reports that he would go to Mass every day. He would take the Eucharist every day. Intensely devout, and I did not mean to stop sharing. Go right ahead and sharing again. I'll get it up there. My bad.

So, yeah, devout, devout Catholic. So here we go. Also, he had the, he was well known in the army. He was, he had the respect of many. Many, many. Yeah. So it's, it was going to come down to him. It was going to come down to him. I don't think there was, I don't think there was anybody else. And I think anybody else who would have been chosen, we would have seen a different outcome. Yes, I agree completely. I agree completely. So we have all these factions. What happens in war? What's one of the, what is the important thing

that people always talk about in, who are military veterans? Well, there are shoot, move, communicate, with communicate being very, very, very, very important. But then there's also an old term, or old saying, if you don't have logistics, you don't have nothing. And so these various factions who rise up that are part of this general conspiracy,

logistics are a challenge. You can capture weapons, but the army has control of all of the logistics. So the militias plug into the army logistical chain. The Carlos had a slight advantage in some ways because they were associated, or many of them were associated with the Navarre brigades up in the north under Mola. So they're plugged into that military chain of command through that channel in the Army of the North. But it's a little chaotic. They all have their own officers and things like that. And that is a challenge in and of itself.

But what happened was, you know, shrewd old General Franco basically says, here's what we're going to do. All of these various parties, all of these various groups are, you know, plugged in, they're now consolidated down to where you're in the army all right. already, you couldn't like join the Army January 1936 and go to boot camp. Like, it took them a while to, one, have control over military bases on the peninsula. But you could join the militias immediately, like that. And good luck. You know, learn on the job, right? So what Franco and state did was they said, well, we have two political parties that are part of this fighting force and they're already plugged into the military logistical system and we're going to unify them under our command. What we'll do is we'll make allowances for their symbols

and, you know, so their flags and some of their rank stuff, although what they did is they incorporated elements of both into the army, but like the carless could keep their berets, they could keep their flags, you know, the Falunge could keep their blue shirts, and then we'll make sure that you have, you know, your 7mm Spanish Mouser rifles instead of a hodgepodge of stuff that you acquired before the war. And, you know, we'll plug you into this whole system. Another thing I'd like to point out is that the nationalists had American trucks and fuel and tires from American companies on credit. And the British had signed off on this. Huge advantage. And you don't get that if you're in the militia on your own and not plugged into the army.

so because the state spoke for Spain and the Carlists or the Falunge were not the state. So April 19th, interesting date, 1937, one party, one army, one state. So there's one official political party left in it as the Falunge Spanish Italista and de las juntae offensive national syndicalista. So that is a mouthful, but what that does is it combines the Falunge and the Carlists into the one political party. The head of it was Franco. He had people in the state. He had people in the junta who were from both parties.

These units still fought under the command of their own officers. They generally maintain their pre-existing, like, organizational structure, but they were always under the primary leaders of the army and under the authority of the army from this point in time. So why slash how did the consolidation work? And like I said, post-war struggles are excluded from this commentary. Ideology is excluded. The time for politics. talk with the enemies and petty differences between factions was completely over. And everyone believed that. They believed that it was time for war. They joined the units that

they could join if they wanted to fight or if they felt they had to fight. The most extreme parties established large, well-organized, and relatively well-equipped parallel institutions. So they could not count on the institutions of the republic. So they created their own. They had their own political and local organizational groups, and they created militias to defend themselves and to prepare to fight. The future belongs to those who show up. The other rightist faction, which is the nationalist officers,

they were either already associated with one of those factions, like the Seida went away. So you were either Falunge or, you know, part of the carless or you didn't care. You're like, I'm part of the state. I'm part of this operation. This is a non-political thing. So who cares? I feel like that is going to be one of those things that's going to catch people by surprise.

And when you look at the debates that take place. now in our space, that's one of the hardest things for people to settle on is they want to hold on to their old beliefs. And a lot of those are legitimate. I'm not going to tell anyone to vote or not to vote. I'm not going to tell anyone who to support or not to support. But my general thinking is like the time for differences are over. And if you're essentially allied with one another, like, why not just become a one bundle of sticks with an axe head sticking out of the top of it, right? Yeah, 100%.

Yeah. You know, you know, people are. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, when bullets start flying, you know, the talking stops. So, anyway, a couple of quick slides here. and I'm not going to spend a ton of time talking about the political and, you know, tactical and strategic system here. But I'm showing this because I want to show you the territory that was held primarily by the militias.

Everyone's militias, including the leftists. Kadegh, and Sevilla, especially, and Cordova, yeah, army barracks were important. but the militias, the Falunay and the Carlist militias helped secure these areas. All that swathed territory up in the north, that is because of the militias, the citizen militias. Another element to this is that the military uprising, the success of the military uprising in specific units, and barracks often came up to the like individual courage of an individual officer who would walk in and basically say you're under arrest to you know or he'd say you're joining us or you're under arrest um that is ballsy and um that's how that happened way less official um you know involvement in claiming the land and the land that's being controlled here.

So very important thing to understand. The rising is most successful in the conservative parts of Spain and a couple military strongholds. And often squashed in street fighting by leftist militias, as in Barcelona, Santander, Toledo, and Madrid. Toledo with a big asterisk except for the Alcazar, the heroic Alcazar. And so with those holdings, this is March 1937, but an awful lot of this was by more like October, November of 1936. Because of the land held by the militias or by these individual garrisons or whatever, especially the containment around Madrid by the Carlist militias largely, the army of Africa and, the Spanish Legion coming across the Med was able to expand these territorial holdings, again, because of the militias. Another key thing is that the Republicans had quote-unquote secured military support from the Soviet Union.

The Soviets had huge shipments of weapons going to Spain within days. And the international volunteers under the international brigades, that was arranged by the Soviet international, which meant that those were communists, the vast majority of them were communists, something like 40% Jewish. just as a note up to I should say there's in my appendix of my book and then I have a note an article with the source material there's a very interesting article in there about the legwork a Jewish communist did and proving how important the that Jews were to the international brigades At the very least, it was like the majority of their officers were Jewish. Big surprise.

Almost all of the, there was 3,000 volunteers from the United States and almost to a man and woman. They were all. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. In my book, one of the first things is they, in the first chapter, they take out a couple of positions of international brigades and our guy who's an intelligence officer is going through all their documents. And it's like little David from Brooklyn and stuff like that. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, if someone writes this down, I believe it. So yeah. All right. So, a very brief notes on a successful leftist organization. Um, which is the CNT F-A-I. And I am sharing this because it's educational.

There's an article about it on my substack. I got this material from by reading a, first I read it in Spanish and then I found an English translation. Anarchist sites have, they're one of the, the anarchist websites are a key source of really good information, especially about the real anarchist stuff. What was actually going on in Catalonia.

They have translations of all of these books written by these anarchist leaders who ran away after the war talking about what they were actually doing in a lot of their organization. But other Spanish folks have helped crack the code like some weapons collectors, cracked the code on where the, the, the, the, the grenade that the FAAI created,

where that came from, through a untranslated memoir of a Spanish-slash-Argentinian anarchist who was involved. I think we talked about him a little bit last time, but there's all kinds of material that's coming to, light. When you read the Lib-Tard summary of this stuff, they always leave out what the true believers will tell you completely openly. So I completely advocate reading communist and anarchist material on any subject touching on them, because they will just tell you what their goals were.

Whereas if you read a summary, you read a academic analysis of something, they will not do that. So the FAA was the militant wing of the CNT. The CNT was an anarchist labor union slash political party. I mean, they're anarchists. Obviously, you're going to have a labor union that people join because they kind of feel like they have to or social pressure or whatever. But then the true believers are ripe for joining, you know, more militant organizations who actually want to see anarchism, you know, in their lifetime. And after the 1934 Asturian uprising and when the Spanish Republic cracked down on that uprising because you have to when people are just being murdered in the streets, like, aggressively, the FAA. organized and they said, you know what, and I don't have the quote handy. There's a quote in this article, but it's basically the same thing that an anarchist Antifa guy told me in a, I will not be specific about what city it was in, in a thing they were doing in a city when I happened to be working downtown and kind of naive and considering myself.

a libertarian with theoretical anarchist leanings, that if they start smashing windows and then the cops attack peaceful protesters, that the people will rise up and overthrow the government just like spontaneously. And the FAAI said, you know what, you can't spontaneously be competent. It's like anything else. You rise to the level of training that you have, so you don't rise to the occasion, right? And be good. So anyway, so what they did is they created a cellular structure because they were illegal and outlawed.

And for their own protection, they operated in cells. And the idea was that they would have a six-man team, a six-man cell, founded by and led by, not really led, but organized and coordinated by the secretary. So the secretary works with other people in the hierarchy. He organizes the cadre. He communicates and coordinates their training and their operations and the intelligence that they gather. And the secretaries try to create as many cadres as they can eventually once they're up to the task. And then they also have a person.

And again, this is just a group of people who decide they want to be part of an organization and to do something. So like maybe lawfully legally, let's say you have a community watch, you know, in your neighborhood. Just think about how this might be helpful for, so you can call the police about stuff. And then you have a person who's what they call the police,

the people investigator. And so he identifies and documents basically enemies and what you can find out about them. The people in their assigned precinct. Names, addresses, ideological affiliations, personal habits, details, their danger level. This would apply to military police clergy, officials, capitalists, politicians, etc. And then there's a person who's a building investigator. And so their job is to go check out and learn about buildings that are in their zone.

And that's for tactical purposes. That's for, well, the people investigator determines that someone lives in this building. The building investigator will go check the building out because maybe the people investigator will have been seen following the guy or whatever, right? So what they then do is they write up like who lives there, what stuff is in there, where's a military barracks, where's a police station, where jails, where churches and monasteries, where employers, where's fortifications, things of that nature. And then they have a team member who gets trained in identifying and developing basically strategic areas in the zone and how you would fight there if you had to. Bridges, street intersections, underground passages, drains sewers, which of these houses have flat roofs, according to the building investigator? How do you get from place to place to place without being on the street, etc? And then you have a team member who checks out public works, like electricity, water, where garages, you know, where's tram depots, where's the metro, like check out the metro,

transport routes, vulnerability to sabotage your seizure. And then finally, you have a team member whose main job is money, weapons, and equipment, stealing it, buying it, trading for it, private homes with weapons, banks, loan offices, food and clothing, warehouses, et cetera. And again, this is from the point of view of anarchists in Spain in the 1930s. but at the same time, it's interesting. So the idea is these people get together and they train, they get trained by other people in the organization

who are specialists in these areas, who will never interact with again in person because that's a security risk. And then they get together with their group to train in hand-to-hand combat, group tactics, weapons, propaganda, learning about specials, equipment, learning medicine. When they start out, they learn about the basic strategies and priorities

for how they do their jobs and how they work together. And then moving forward, they share the information that they discover. Sometimes they'll work together on certain jobs. And then they collect all that intelligence. They send it up the chain. You don't leave it lying around, written in maps, you have to stash all that stuff. And their job is to gather that intelligence to help grow the organization with people who are reliable that they can recommend to the secretary who will then arrange it for everyone and then they won't be a part of it so that there's less security risk there. And then their real job is that when something kicks off, they control their assigned

district in the uprising. And that is how they secured Barcelona. That is how they secured Valencia. That's how they secured so many areas is that they had trained and planned in advance. The carlists who were in those hardcore, heavily trained units, did essentially the same thing, but there was less of, we don't have documented evidence of exactly how they thought about, it, but yes, they secured their immediate areas first. They dealt with anarchists and communists in their immediate areas first in the same fashion. And I guarantee you, especially if you live in a heavily leftist area, there are people thinking this way right now, especially if you're in an unfortunate situation and you have like a bunch of Antifa around you because you're near

a college or something like that. So be aware of that. That completes my TED talk. Yeah, I love that you ended on this because it really goes to show that there were people on the left who were planning, who were organized. And because most of the anarchists were, I mean, you can see it through the books you read. Yep. I mean, they're anarchists. They called, I mean, they really lean into that, didn't they? They very much did, yes.

It's like, okay, well, it's like, and it's like Lalbert, it's like so Lalbert where it's like, okay, can't you guys just realize what's going on here? You have to organize. You have to, if we do this, we can have, you know, we can have, you know, we can have this. But no, no, they have to hold to their principles and thank God they did. Yes, exactly, because they were extreme, like I said, they were extremely successful because this was a compromise that they made in the uprising. And then the next compromise that was made is that like the Derutie column, who were the, they came up out of this FAAI group. They were the

hardened killers. They were the shock troops who went up to Oregon to confront the Carlist racketees because up by like Zaragoza and stuff where there were a fair amount of

anarchist CNT and CNT FAI guys up in some of these slightly industrial areas and some of these larger cities in Oregon in the interior and they were rushing up there because the carlists were cracking down and taking out,

because they knew who everybody was, right? So they, the Derruti column, were the first group of the anarchists to say, and their terminology is always interesting, is that they would say, we have to put the revolution on hold. And that was their thinking, is that you think that the fighting would be the revolution. To them, the revolution was going around and murdering the regular people and destroying the churches

and like restructuring the way work happens and stuff like that. To them, that was the revolution, but they put the revolution on hold to fight the war. And they allied with the communists and ultimately came under the, the leadership of the communists. They, most of them, so Derruti actually got, got killed in the defense of Madrid in 1936,

because they, they went up to Oregon that front stabilized. And after like two months when the Army of Africa and the Legion, you know, Franco were headed that way, they made a mad dash. to get to Madrid to defend it. And Derrudey got killed.

They have these conspiracies about it. But the long and the short is, is he said, we're going to work with the communists until the war is over. And what did the communists do is they killed the hardcore political, the best leaders from among the anarchists so that they could consolidate their own control over the republic. So, but

wow. What a shock. They couldn't have learned that from 1917, right? Yeah, that's exactly what they did. That's exactly what they did. And these quote unquote people, you can't

ally with someone who wants to kill you. And that's the difference. The right wingers, they had ideas that were different, but they didn't hate each other. And this is something you have talked about a lot, which I think is probably like one of the most important points that you have made is, okay, you don't have to agree with someone in power about everything. But if they don't hate you, they're much better than someone who hates you.

And so to to not look at the landscape and say, here's my choices. And if I, go with group A, I have a chance to have a say. And in fact, as things radicalize, as everybody gets, as everything gets crazier, I'm going to seem pretty reasonable to people who right now, like, they, they certainly wouldn't agree with me on these things, but they don't hate me fundamentally. You have options there. You don't. You don't. have options with people who want to destroy you, who want to torture you, who want you to suffer, who want you to be humiliated. You cannot negotiate with those people and you can't work with them. And there's nothing that you get. Like, you don't get, like, Hitler doesn't come back if you support the guy who blows horses or whatever his name is. I can't think of his name. He's going to be gone in a couple of weeks anyway.

I can't, I mean, I don't know. That they might just be throwing in the towel on this one, but like this is going to be hilarious when they go to Chicago. That's wild. You know, Charles Haywood said something the other night on, he was on with Buck Johnson. He was on Buck Johnson's show. And Buck was talking to him about the PayPal Mafia and everything,

stuff that I've been talking about. Yeah. You know, and I've said, you know, they're not our guys. And, you know, but they, they don't hate us. And I really like a lot of what Haywood says. I've met him. He's a good, I think he's a good man. He said, if they are serious about defeating this enemy that they want to take on,

yeah. They're going to have to become our guys. Yes. Yes. If they don't become our guys, they're going to lose. Yes. And then what does that mean about me, you know, saying that, hey, maybe we should look at these guys and maybe we shouldn't counter signal them. I'll just say I was wrong.

I was wrong. Yeah. You know, they tried. They didn't know what they were in for. I was wrong. I still told you to build locally. I still told you to, you know, make your income mobile. I still told you to plant a garden.

I never told you that they were coming to save us. Yeah. But if they are, if they want to defeat the enemy that they're talking about defeating, they're going to have to become our guys. If you want to, yeah, you have to go to war with the army you have to defeat an enemy. Yeah. So, you know, someone said a long time ago, may you live in interesting times. Yes. We unfortunately certainly do.

But we know it comes after interesting times. Yes. Let's cut this and you're going to come back soon and we'll talk about something new, but remind people where they can find everything. I had somebody on Facebook who was asking for your merch the other day. So if you had any merch sales, it may have been coming from Facebook and me sharing your links. Cool, yeah. So, yeah, Carl doll.

Dot substack.com is where you can see most of my writing. I have a sample, the first chapter of my. newest book Faction with Crusaders. I'm going to appease my friends in the firearms Autist community. I'm going to do an article pretty soon about the books, excuse me, the guns of my, are the weapons of my first book faction. And I think I owe Twitter a thread on that. My old social media manager got his account banned in January of 2021 for some reason. So I have to put a fresh thing up there now that I, myself, am in control of my own account. Yeah, books are on Amazon, but I also have links to those extensively from all those articles and everything in my substack.

And then also to my merch, my spicy shirts and stuff like that. main thing is the only way that this is really monetized for me is through book sales and the and the shirts and stuff. I was thinking of monetizing my substack. I've had like six or seven people offer to pay for that. And I'm like, just buy book, give book to friend, things like that. That's my main thing. Maybe I should expand it, but that's how I'm doing it. And thanks again.

I'll include all the links like I did last time. Thanks a lot, Carl. Appreciate it. Thanks, Pete.