The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1093: Neutrality is Killing the Western Man w/ Justin Stamm

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

83 MinutesPG 13Justin Stamm is a husband, father and Catholic. He is the host of Why We Fight.Justin joins Pete to talk about how Western man's neutrality has led to his downfall.Why We FightJustin on Twitter/XPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Antelope Hill - Promo code "peteq" for 5% off - https://antelopehillpublishing.com/FoxnSons Coffee - Promo code "peter" for 18% off - https://www.foxnsons.com/Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Good. How you doing, Pete? Glad to be here. Yeah. Glad to have you here. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself as much as you want to share and then, you know, save some for the body of the episode. Right, right, right. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate that you do your show in a historical and political basis instead of trying to be an ethelologian like we talked about. As far as myself, I grew up Jehovah's Witness. I'm very much involved in the Jehovah's Witness. my father, I'm actually third generation,

began to leave at my early 20s, started poking around in non-Christian religion, spent about 14 years in studying Buddhism, Eastern philosophy, which led to study and philosophy in general, being kind of a philosophy nerd, looking for answers outside of Christianity after being told that all of Christendom is corrupt,

so don't look for a Christian religion, a Christian answer, definitely not the Catholics. And eventually, my older brother and his fan, converted about 13 years ago to Catholicism and started chatting my ear off. My other brother converted and he wanted to be a priest, very much into Thomism, studying philosophy as well. And in my effort to dismantle and discredit Catholicism, I found it to be the most non-contradictory, congruent worldview, an answer to causality, the Eschaton, and how to live your life and how to get there.

the afterlife eschaton. So, yeah, that's kind of, and then, of course, you know, I converted around, began converting around 2020. It's been a couple of years experimenting and checking out Orthodoxy two years before 2020, but found that since my family was all in Catholicism and the answers were more clear to me there, and I'm a man of the West. And I'm a man of the West, in my opinion, needs to be part of the Western Church, the Catholic Church if you're going to fight for it.

So that's kind of my story. That's the shortest version I can do. I spent a few years, actually several years, trying to be a writer in Hollywood. By the time I was about 20, 21, I'm about to turn 50 actually on Saturday. And a few years before I began starting to write my mother's godfather, who's real life, was a real-life mafia boss, Jimmy Aelo,

I got to talk to him from about 96 to about 98 and learn about true politics and how it actually works and met a lot of guys through the years in that world, try to turn it into a writing career in Hollywood, only to find out later on they don't want white males in Hollywood, but they love the stories. They loved hearing about the mafia. All the interviews I did with Hitman and guys that were made,

I tried to write a story, and I did write a story about code name Zorro. I went to all the studios, raised $50 million for that film three times. And there was always an element of, well, this is too controversial. You're saying that certain government agencies were involved with the assassination of Martin Luther King and JFK. And I had an agent, I had publicist, I had other minor successes in my writing. But in the end, there is a gate there that you can't talk about some of the things that you and I would like to talk about, Pete. the good thing about podcasting and doing shows like this is that there is no gate

other than being maybe suppressed in shadow band. So we can talk about pretty much anything. And you don't need permission from people that are actually your enemies to stop you from talking about it, especially regarding saving the West, fighting for Christianity, and so forth. So that's kind of my life in a nutshell from being a Jehovah's Witness going through that journey and becoming Catholic and educated on true geopolitics and the way the world really works. So when we tried to record the first time and it didn't work out because I was ill, we had talked about the subject being, yeah, neutrality is killing the Western man and how to stop it.

I know that's a broad subject. Let's start with this. The term neutrality can mean many different things. What do you talk about? Right. So in right wing circles, especially the dissident sphere, a lot of guys talk about toxic altruism. And then they blame weak Christianity for causing that. And reality, actually, that's not the case. That's a total fallacy. Even growing up as a Jehovah's Witness, we knew that you can't be neutral about, say, the right to knock on doors and hand out there.

their watchtower magazines, right? So they had to go to court and win a court case that allowed them to do so. And that was under a First Amendment right case. And it's the same thing when Catholics or just men of the West are trying to fight for their position in the world. And if one dips his finger in the philosophy world and understands the subject called the myth of neutrality, It kind of talks about the abandonment of being a self-governed person, not the independent autonomy of ban concept that came up in the Enlightenment era philosophers. But the concept that you can't be neutral in a world that is full of others that are not

without actually losing yourself and losing your battle. It'd be like going in a football game and then being ambivalent about the outcome of who wins the game. I mean, yeah, whoever wins, we'll just run around the field and whatever happens. So when I say myth of neutrality and neutrality is killing the Western man, what I mean is that we as Western men have bought into this concept that you can be Christian, you can be atheist, it doesn't matter to me. You can be pro-German, pro-Italy, pro-European, or it doesn't matter to me.

But if we have 100 million people move in from another country, their voice is just as equal as ours. and we have no more right to the continuity of our culture than they do. And that's not how they think, though. They think they want to exert their right in the world, their inheritance, their religion, their whatever it is, and not just Islam. So I think anybody that knows about how the Continental Rationalist School of Philosophers

that came about in the Enlightenment era, they really started pushing the idea that we don't really need metaphysics according to Christianity, which is a hierarchy. And we believe in immutable principles that don't change. And so they began abandoning that. I mean, they started saying, well, that's not true. We have certain concepts and principles and virtues that could vary from country to country and individual to individual.

So really, we don't need the church to be the arbiter of what those principles are. We ourselves can be the arbiter of those principles. So therefore, the autonomy of man, the individual, the rationalist person. can dictate what is right and good and just. And that's where things began to go awry, because in reality, that perspective actually has not solved problems within philosophy, within ethics, within religion. It's actually caused the problem to get worse because individual people, all looking at the same thing, if rationalism was correct and it's universal, will come to the same conclusions and we know as Christians, that's not the case. That's why you have so many

interpretations even within Catholicism of what certain things mean. Like what truly is E.N.S or there is no Salatian outside the church. What does that mean? What does baptism mean? What is whatever mean? You can ask 10 different people in the Catholic Church and they'll come up to 10 different things. And then when you go to the Protestant world, it's even worse. So the point is, is that you have to have the first law of logic, especially according to Catholic philosophy, dictate what justice and prudence and goodness are. Those have to be perennial and unchanging. They can't be due to the individual experience and change from person to person. It has to be a universal, universally adhere to a concept that pre exceeds my existence, your existence, everybody else.

So from that perspective of neutrality, what I mean is, again, as it applies to the Western man survival, as it applies to representing your Catholic or Western Christian interests in the public space, you can't be ambivalent and stand back. You have to say, we have to represent our interests. And guess what? Especially in the U.S., nobody is doing that. Nobody is doing. We don't have a body. We don't have a political representation. We don't have a think tank, a political action committee.

and it gets even worse when you go to Europe. And we're supposed to be like in the UK right now, listen to prayer call five times a day from Muslims in London, but if we even read a scripture out loud in public, they take you to jail for hate speech or whatever it is over there. So that has happened because of ambivalence towards our subjectivity. We can't be objective. We have to be subjectively protective of our existence and our continuity.

And that's what they mean by the, Western man has embraced the neutral position while everybody else has abandoned it. We're the fools. Did you know, those Black Friday deals everyone's talking about? They're right here at Beacon South Quarter. That designer's sofa you've been wanting? It's in Seoul, Boe Concept and Rocheburoix, the Dream Kitchen. Check out at Cube Kitchens.

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You can, it can bring about a peace amongst Western people. The problem is when you have those two things, and then you combine it with subjectivism, with subjective morality, just looking upon creation subjectively, then you're basically creating hell, because you have really smart, rational people who don't believe in anything.

Right. And where do you end up when you have those, when those three things are combined together, and not in one person, but in masses and masses of people? Right. I think there's a major misunderstanding. When people talk about subjectivity or subjectivism and objectivism,

it applies. differently according to the paradigm. It's paradigmatic and its understanding. And I think it's important people establish that. Like, for instance, if all of us recognize the, like if you and me and a thousand of the guys are in a room, we're all Catholic and we recognize the definition of any particular dogma in the Catholic Church. And we all agree on that. It's not because we agree on that that it's true. It's objectively true because it is professed through the church. therefore from God. So it emanates from the mind of the logos. That's objective truth. It's demonstrable. It's demonstrable and you can demonstrate it. Subjectivity in that perspective doesn't

apply because that's not subjectively ours. What is subjectively ours is our implementation of those principles into our life. Who it's subjective to is God himself. And this is what I noticed a lot of guys missed that, especially in the Enlightenment era philosophers. because they abandoned the idea of a first cause. And they reduce them down to a general divine essence. And then with David Hume, he says, I don't wanna hear about any metaphysics at all. All I care about is because he was a modus.

All I care about is the material world and explanations on rationality. So he wanted to burn all the books on metaphysics, abandoned it completely. So my point is, is that from God's perspective, truth is not objective to him. It's possessory and subjective. So when I say we need to represent our concepts, our principles, subjectively, it means a self-interest in its protection.

But these things don't belong to us. They belong to God. Like if we say goodness, oh, wait, I came to this conclusion through studies of what goodness is. That's him revealing it to you. He gave it to you. And it existed before you. So, yeah, the problem is not whether one and a group of people are subjective. or use the term subjective.

The problem is that they don't believe in objective truths at all. There is always a kind, well, it depends on what school you're talking about. So if you go from the monist to the duelist to the atomist schools within philosophy, it goes from monism, which is totally illusory, the world's illusory. So it really doesn't matter how much Schopenhauer would talk about his using the power of the will to implement whatever you want in life. It really doesn't matter because it's all illusory anyway. You go to a dualist position like Platonism and Buddhism, what does it matter if you're a saint or a sinner?

In that worldview, you're annihilated at the end of the cosmos and reassimulated back into the new cosmos. There's no point in being good. And the atomist is, I don't recognize a first cause. There's nothing but here and now. And we don't really have eternal forms of things. We're just temporarily in a simulation of the human form, but we're all evolving to something else because these particles of,

of with anatomism are constantly changing. So the only other worldview you have outside of that, and these are all outside of the Catholic worldview that you have is pragmatism, which is even more atheist and agnostic than the atomist position. But all four of those worldviews, you can't justify being good and being just and being good to your wife or not stealing and beating up people and taking their stuff. You can't claim you want to fight for the Western survival or civilization if you hold any of those worldviews.

Because you're either in a simulation, a simulacrum assimilation, or you're not really here, or there's no justification. So just get yours while you're here. The only worldview that makes sense to do this is within the Catholic worldview. I would say some Protestants get it, but the problem is Protestantism. it's been reduced down to subjectivism. It's a subjective individual experience. Baptism in some churches don't even, it doesn't even matter. In fact, teachings and heresies don't even matter.

You just need to generate belief in Christ. You don't even water baptism and then that's it. Well, how is that a universal definition of what being Christian is? How can you get on the same page with a bunch of other people other than survival? So that's why it leads to such, in my opinion, division, because that is hyper subjective interpretation. your personal experience on what it means to be Christian or Western. And then you just have a bunch of people fighting.

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And, me, the same thing with people I know who are Orthodox. I mean, they have to find the right church because, you know, I had a friend who was seeking out orthodoxy when they, when 2020 was happening and went to the church and they wanted her to wear a mask. I guess people, the argument's going to be made that if, you know, if the two oldest Catholic and Orthodox can't get it right, you know, who are we to say anything to anyone? Right. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I mean, without going too much into the religious issue, I try to root things more in a philosophical argumentation. And of course, many people don't know this, that all the greatest theologians were first good philosophers. And for instance, my baptismal Saint, St. Justin Martyr, he was apotheorian and a Platonist, and he couldn't justify and rectify how the answer of divine simplicity was. answered within the model of even Platonism and the people to understand what divine

simplicity I'm not talking about to mystic divine simplicity I'm talking about the ancient Greek belief system and they said basically look we all go through birth stasis degeneration destruction of rebirth therefore reincarnation and and if if we're subject to life and death and constant change and all the universe is subject to movement and constant change then the first cause must be absolute stillness therefore if If the first cause entered creation, he would also be subject to birth and death. Therefore, he is not, he's restricted by his own creation. Some say, well, there's Demiur's that actually created all this.

Therefore, he doesn't enter it lest he is sullied from the created world. Yet, he's omnipresent. So there's obviously a contradiction there. There's something like Justin Martyr says, well, this is answered very, clearly. It's not the father that comes down to us with the son. There it is. And he rectifies all things. And you were still interacting with the father because he's of the same nature, three persons, one nature. And for me, of course, that clicked because I rejected the Trinity as a Jehovah's Witness and, of course, as a quasi-Buddhist that said basically the same thing, same

thing the Muslims say, same thing the Jews say, which is he can't enter his own creation if he's a he. He needs to be a he first, because otherwise if it's a general divine essence, it doesn't make sense. There's no personhood there. So my point is that the good thing about the Orthodox and the Catholics have is that we have, for Catholics, 2,000 years of correct theology at least, 2,000 years of correct philosophical argumentations at least. As I see it as a Catholic, there are some things that are different that the Orthodox don't profess the same thing as us, if that matters. And for the Protestants,

the primary problem is the issue of justification. So imagine a society where you need to be a Christian to be saved, but what does that mean? Once you believe you want to be Christian, then you're already saved and you can't lose your salvation. That doesn't encourage moral behavior, actually. And we know that. Does Catholicism have the same? Yeah, they have people not living up to the Catholic standard historically, and not just the modern day.

But the problem is, is that much of the modern problems, and my estimation occupation of the church in many of the liturgical positions, is that these are outsiders that came in, of the church. They weren't corrupted by the truth of the church. They're corrupted by their own subjective reasoning and interpretation of these things. So it's almost as as if like St. Paul says in Romans, they know that there is a God. They know that the existence of God is true, but they deceive themselves with their own self-deception into not believing that he's

either real or that he's this way. I can't believe God would send all these people to hell because they believed in Hinduism. Therefore, I choose not to believe that. Therefore, they've changed the identity of what God truly is in a Catholic worldview. And therefore, they deceive themselves so that they can basically follow their own interpretation out of unrighteousness. That's what St. Paul says. So that's where I think we have a one-up on a lot of people.

We have a constant unchanging teaching. Whether or not somebody understands it and whether or not somebody interprets it properly is different. And that's all maintained from the mind of the logos and the uniformity of nature argument and philosophy. So this constant energetic procession to maintain the form of things like physical things, humans and stars and everything, but also things as in concepts like dogmas. So when he reveals the trinity divinity to Christ, what hellfire is, he's maintaining that from his mind. you don't have that kind of concept really embraced in a lot of Catholic circles either, so-called Catholic circles, let alone a lot of Protestant and some Orthodox.

So some people don't like Jay Dyer because of how he attacks the Catholic Church a lot. And I used to be friends with him. But the point is, is that at least he's defending what he believes, right? And he understands some deeper concepts. His conclusions are incorrect, as with some other. Orthodox. I get along with other guys that aren't as extreme as him, but the point is he's actually sticking up for his ideas is the point. He's not treating it like a neutral position, right? So you have to respect that, even if you don't agree and believe he's wrong. So,

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Somebody can believe in things that are eternal. And be neutral about it. Be lukewarm about it. It's, I, way too much gets blamed on eschatology, on biblical eschatology of, oh, people are going to fall away and people are going to be, okay, sure, yeah, okay. But there's something else there. There's, there's a, to believe that, to believe that it's only because of what it says in the Bible is to believe that that's what, how God is acting upon somebody and making them be lukewarm. No, well, I mean, if we have will, we have free will. So what do you think causes that neutrality, even within Catholicism, even within orthodoxy? Right.

I kind of take a Dominican perspective on predestination. And it makes a lot of sense, too, because it coincides with Christ saying, wherever you're not received, shake the dust off your feet. St. Paul talked about doing two rebukes and moving on. Excuse me. So I think it's funny because I see a lot of fighting going on online and in person and going round and around on the same subject with a lot of people of the same people. I do believe in putting forth a few arguments,

and if somebody is vehemently opposed to you still, they don't agree, they're not opening up. It's obvious. the Holy Ghost is not acting upon their intellect. So I just think we have to remember, in my opinion, that it's not us converting people. It's the Holy Ghost doing. It's God doing it. So we just have to plant the seed.

And we may not be the one to close the deal, but we have to defend the faith regardless. And if they're, I mean, people know me on social media. When somebody starts attacking me, Catholicism, whatever is, in general, I give them a few takes and I'll either slap back because I punch back or I'll just block them. But my point is, is that regarding free will, how that works into God's plan and his effort to snatch the sheep and keep his sheep, I don't think there's a lot we can do as far as changing people after giving so many arguments. So I don't believe in treating people that I have known for many years. that aren't Catholic, like, oh, I got to convert them.

Every time I see them, I got to convert them. It's obvious that they're not going to convert after some of the things that I've gone through with them already, at least right now. So I don't treat them neutrally. I definitely treat them as somebody I would love to see them become Catholic. But I don't treat them ambivalent. And I don't treat what I believe is ambivalent. So therefore, I think too many people are afraid of even talking about their religion.

That's a different perspective. They don't even want to try to convert people. I do believe that if you're not Catholic, you're not going to make it. That's what the Catholic Church says. Now, what that means exactly is a different discussion, but that's different than saying all the religions of the world were created by the Holy Ghost so that they can be saved in those religions, like John Paul II said. That's apostasy.

That's heresy. Now, I'm not saying he's a heretic or an apostasy. I'm just saying that that's obviously not a true theological opinion is the point. So if that's the case, then that creates a different perspective. Like, I don't have to evangelize because those people can be saved without being Catholic. Therefore, I'm not worried about it. And I won't profess Catholicism. Two totally different perspectives, right?

To me, how that ties into the political sphere, in my opinion, is that if your belief system can't be professed publicly in public spaces and without breaking a law, then there needs to be a collective bargaining power or a body or something legally to represent you and defend you and your religion, especially Catholicism, to change that, right? And to not do anything at all, especially clergy, especially veterans of the faith. I just find it very incomprehensible how there's not more of that. I guess we just relied in America on the First Amendment for a very long time only to realize we don't have the same protections of other religions. and we can name them. I'm not going to, but you know what I'm talking about.

What about the people who, you know, I've had back in my libertarian days, I had a friend who calls himself a Christian anarchist that, you know, when you read Samuel, the people call for a king and God gives them one good and hard. And, you know, and then they, just do mental gymnastics to get over Romans 13 for why a Christian can't be civically minded or things like, you know, or have anything to do with politics or to support any political system because it may initiate violence. It, uh, things like that. So, um, what, what's your, what's your answer to people to?

And it doesn't have to be an anarchist. It could be anyone who is just, you know, there are, I forget who coined the phrase. It might have been the Stone Choir guys, the we lose down here Christians. It might have been Stephen Wolfe. Right. The we lose down here because, well, I mean, we're not supposed to do anything. You know, we love our enemy, which, you know, I was talking to someone on my show a few weeks ago. They say, you know, we're supposed to love our enemies.

I'm like, he never, no word is to say we have to love God. enemies. Now where does it say we have to forgive God's enemies. So what do you, where did this come from? Where did this? Well, things are just going to be getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. And by us seeing it getting worse and worse and worse, all we're supposed to do is prepare for his coming. And that's nothing else. Sit in the corner and only do rosary and kiss your rear end goodbye because you're not supposed to be attached to this body. Yeah. So like I said, the abandonment of philosophical understanding. Now, we know that the average person centuries ago didn't have access to education. If you're a hardworking family, you're running a farm,

and you go to mass and vespers, and you're just a regular dude and a Catholic. You don't have time or really access. And neither did a lot of theologians have access to all the information that we have now, right? To all the volumes of information and the time to study it in contemplation and peace and quiet without kids and I love being a dad but the fact is is that if you want to actually sit down and do something like this like we're talking right now it takes a lot of on the many days of christmas the ginnis storehouse brings to thee a visit filled with festivity experience a story of ireland's most iconic beer in a stunning christmas setting at the ginnis storehouse enjoy seven floors of interactive exhibitions and finish your visit with brett taken views of

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The abandonment of philosophy has caused a lot of these problems. And the abandonment philosophy, specifically from the giants like St. John of Damascus, my confirmation saint. And the reason why I chose him is because he was a mass. philosopher. And he understood something that was pertinent to political representation. You hear a lot of Catholics and other Christians say, oh, I don't want to be political. Being Catholic is being political. Because as he pointed out, that your politics comes from your culture and your culture comes from your collective, shared common set of principles.

What is your principle of unity that causes this culture? to protect an actual politic that reciprocates and protects that people and that culture and those virtues that created the culture. That is developed enchon. That is Emmanuel Kant and even Aristotle and even others that talked about the worldview. It is a reciprocal. If the people from that culture are not represented by people from that culture, a new politic will come in and they'll try to change those virtues. So the people, even Plato's Republic talked about that, right? The king, in reality, a republic is run by a monarch. It's a monarch, and it's a philosopher king. And he comes from those people in that land. So you are all of the state, as Mussolini would talk about.

You're all the state. All of us are the state. So if the state is in a body that's an antagonistic contradiction to the people of that country, there's a major problem there. Either you don't share the same principles or he's a bad king or whatever. So my point is, is that you can't separate and lay to rest your vigilance to protect the continuity of your culture and your faith and your common set of principles and virtues, everything. So holding a door for an old lady and helping out somebody that may have been an accident at the side of the road, somebody told you it was.

was virtuous to do that. Somebody did. You didn't do it naturally in your own. You didn't grow up in the forest and raised by wolves and learn that from the wolves. Just natural philosophy. So you have to with force because others want the implementation of their worldview and the same resources that you're after. They want to take them with force too.

So you also have to, and it doesn't mean always violence doesn't always mean like malicious murdering force or violence. the Latin usually just means to be vigilant and actively protect what is yours and what is ours as Western Christian men is Western Christian culture and civilization. The problem with libertarianism that all of us went through, all of us went through a libertarian phase, is that it takes a position of neutrality, what I was just talking about. And this non-aggression, non-aggression principle, which is ironic because most of the guys I was around that were libertarian, even in California, are in the gun culture so i was asking what are you training for what are you going to do with that

ar-15 i think you're muted oh it's only self-defense yeah it's only for self-defense yeah right right and it's funny because you can kind of take um not just a cue from uh catholic writers but also pagan writers such as in buddhism and in and japan martial arts philosophers and that the life-giving sword is a sword that protects others, right? And the killing sword is one that's a murderer. So that's exactly what the Crusades were about. They were about protecting Catholics that were going on pilgrimage to formerly Christian lands that Muslims were killed. And not all of them. A lot of when the Crusades began, not just across Spain, but also going into the Holy Land, a lot of these Emirates and caliphates were like, we don't want Salahadine. We'll give obeisance to you. Please

protect us. So it's not to, you can't just say all Muslims. That's the problem. a lot of these guys in dissident spheres. They want to say all Muslims, all Jews, all black people, all this, all that. And it just leads to a lazy mind. And that's what I'm saying is that a lot of guys are very well trained, especially in dissident groups and talk about weightlifting. Yes, weightlift, you know, firearms training, all this stuff. But they're lazy politically.

Their political mentality is like a baby. That's what we found in 2020, where all these guys talked. all this stuff about what they're going to do if Trump doesn't get in and what's going to happen with the, the stabby and election meddling and this and that and the other, we're going to, we're going to, we're the ones that have all the AR-15s and all this ammo. And they didn't do anything. And my question, which is why my handle on Twitter was why we fight 2020, is I also came to the position where I'm like, why didn't anybody do anything?

because they're not organized. They don't have a single principle of unity. What does it mean to be American, patriot, and libertarian? It means everything under the sun without, and it definitely means a bunch of atomized particles not united under a single banner. So who says, go. Nobody wants, and I'm not going to listen to you.

I'm not taking orders from you. He's not taking orders from me, though. But nobody agrees on how to coalesce under a hierarchy. So therefore, you can't have order unless you're in a hierarchy. and only Catholic monarchy or at least an authoritarian form of government can really organize the West, in my opinion. I want monarchism, but what can we have in replacement of that that's still hierarchical? Well, you can elect your king and a republic. That's what republic is.

So maybe a form of Catholic republic somehow. I mean, why not? The Pope is elected. And that can transition to a true monarchy. monarchy, it's got to be better than a democracy because democracy is just a deconstructionist tool for destroying Western Christian civilization. So yeah, it has to be that way. You have to represent your own interests. That's it. I mean, the West is like a football team that shows up onto a field with no jersey, no number, no identifying marks. We're just guys playing football.

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let them practice Catholicism. It sounds like a good deal, right? I mean, you're supposed to just roll over, right? Why would you fight back? Why would you fight back in Spain in 1936? When they're, you know, aren't you supposed to be martyrs? Aren't you supposed to be celebrating priests and nuns and laymen being pulled out of churches and being executed?

Yeah, why would you fight back? I mean, isn't that the greatest thing? honor a Christian can have. In 2020, I heard Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant libertarian mentality types say that same thing. Well, let him come for us. I want to be martyred. The problem with that, making that a universal statement is that if everybody's martyred, who's going to bring the mantle of the gospels to others that need it?

You're thinking of yourself. You're thinking your selfish interpretation of what you think. Christian West should be. You're not thinking of what God wants. God wants the salvation of as many people as possible. Some are just not predestined. They're predestined. They're born and he knows in his foreign knowledge they will not receive the gospel no matter what happens. And that's why he doesn't allow them to receive it because he knows. I mean, he is omniscient. He knows all things. So some people are just not going to make it. But he wants as many of us to make it. How are they going to do that unless we're out here talking like this? because the majority of the clergy are that evangelize, they're not trying to re-evangelize the West.

They're going to other lands like Africa and other countries and stuff like that. But when they do talk about Catholicism in the West, they're just giving the modern version of it, which is you can be Catholic, you could be Hindu, just be a better Hindu, you don't have to convert, you'll be fine, you'll be saved. It's like, did your balls drop off? Well, no, you just have no brains. So you have no balls or brains.

And you come to realize that these people are doing this not out of ignorance, intentionally. I believe these people doing this proactively are intentionally sabotaging the mental fortitude of the Western man. So when he does stand up, he's supposed to feel guilty. So when you have Francis coming out and saying, you know, you need to invite more migrants in and take him in your home, that is not, when has anything come from any of the modern clergy? And some of the trad groups, too, their clergy aren't talking about the massive amounts of, you know, essay and violence and murder and being stuffed into a freezer after being essayed and murdered in Italy and France and Germany and other places like that.

They're not denouncing that on large scale. I haven't seen one word of it anywhere. You're talking about every single day. There's multiple stories like that. Across Europe, cross Canada, Australia now, America, definitely. So are we supposed to just say, okay, well, say la vie,

just kiss your buck goodbye. We're going to all be replaced by third world non-Christians. And that's okay. It's not okay. So to me, really Pete, to me it has to do with what is

what is the best worldview to make human experience intelligible, right? So say we were talking to a non-Christian. They believe in Christian principles, yet they're not Christian. No, I don't. I believe in my own principles. Actually, you don't, because if you're an atheist and you believe in natural rights and naturalism, you don't believe that it's actually wrong to F people up and take their stuff and molest kids. You just believe it's unlawful to do it.

If the laws were made that it's okay to do that, you would do it. So you following the laws that we as Christians of the West created to say that you can't do that, you're already living within the Christian worldview. So your human experience, what is human experience? It's everything. So if human experience dictates the Christian experience that we have, even if you're an atheist, then the world you have Christianity is the only thing that makes sense to live by comporting to that human experience. So there's a reason why the third world wants to move to Western lands.

because we have order and in general. And if anybody's been to third world countries, you'd understand, even in the state that the West is in, it's still better than those places. So we have order. We have a system, an economy, a level of predictability on certain things in life that you still don't find in a lot of third world countries.

And that's why they want to be here. But ironically, they come here. And the first thing they want to do is make it more habitable for them. And they begin dismantling a Christian environment, let's just say a Western Christian environment. And they move on from city to the city like that, like Locus. And that has to do with not enough representation and pushing back. And Europe, if you push back, you go to jail for hate speech, like I said,

here you're approaching that position too. So I just think we need to do more proactively, not just talking, although talking is really what's woken a lot of people up from grassroots. I mean, can you imagine 10 years ago, us, which I was, saying 20 years ago, you're talking about white replacement, you're talking about white genocide, you're talking about anti-Christian sentiment and all these things. People looked at me like I was, are you crazy? What are you Fox Mulder from X-Files? You're a conspiracy theorist. I don't want to hear that. Now, everybody's talking about it. I mean, look at Candace Owens. Almost every episode is about that

particular type of subject. So that's because of people like us that have been working it into conversations throughout the internet for years and years and years. So to me, the environment has changed. And I always talk about this. In politics, there's three general categories. There's the principles of your politic. There is the people and there is the environment. The people are really inert in a lot of ways until acted upon by higher principles. So they're like a blank slate, the tabula rasa like John Locke talked about, right? So we know that immutable principles or at least good principles come from Christian concepts in the Christian worldview.

And that gives an impetus to your politics and your worldview that go into your environment. So that's why Christian people create a certain environment that's predictable across Western lands, even Protestants. So as soon as those principles change and they're replaced with all the critical theory concepts, of getting rid of Christian principles, put in other types, atheists, whatever it is. That's why the people have acted different. We're the same blood. So the purple-haired wackos that hate people like us that want to have as many abortions as possible. Those are the same blood descendants of the people that were good Catholics of the past. What changed? The principles that went into their mind and their heart and then they changed the environment where they take

down historical monuments of us, of our ancestors, and they replace them with Baphimet and all the other degeneracy. So the way we reverse that is re-institute Catholic Christian principles that will go into the hearts of people from a grassroots level. And that is what changes the environment. And all three principles work together, but only one of those can possess something that's perennial. People are not perennial. We're subject to the fall. We're subject to change, our emotions, our passions, everything else.

But if our goal is to have recourse to something that's more permanent and not just this democracy, garbage, then I believe that that will, even as we make mistakes along the way, will get us back to fighting back and rebuilding what we once had. So, yeah. There's a smaller group out there that seems to be growing, or I don't know if they're growing, they're just loud. So what they say is, is that your Abrahamic desert religion, your worship of a Jew is what brought us to where we are now.

and that we need to go back to our forefathers who were Lutherans. Oh, no, wait a minute. No, no, they were pagans, really. Honestly, I'm telling you, they were pagans. They weren't Lutherans. They weren't Catholics. We need to go back to our pagan roots, which doesn't have this hippie, free love, subversive Jesus, Christianity that was started by subversive Jews.

you know, has been a plot since the beginning. Right. I know you're talking about. If we just, if we just destroy Christianity, which whenever I hear that, I think of like the anarchists who just say the answer to all their problems is, we just got to get rid of the state, bro. Right. And it's like, yeah, so you come up with something completely impossible, something that's never going to happen.

Right. And that's your answer to everything. and then you make a career, you make a career off of it. You make an identity off of it. And, you know, yeah, if we just go back to before Boniface, you know, chop that tree down, everything will be, we won't have to deal with the Abrahamic desert religion that put like the world to the sword.

Yeah, there's a few different problems with that. And I'll go back to the most important part of that. well, the second most important part of that. The first most important part of that is you can't justify making that claim or that statement within the worldview of European or any other type of paganism because they all believe in a certain level of reincarnation, birth and death of the cosmos,

Ragnarok, and so forth. If your belief system is that your gods were created and they die at the end of the country, What do you think that means to your sorry ass? You die too and you're all assimilated into the next material that makes the next cosmos and the next cosmos is gods. So what good is it if you fight back against the Marxists, the Jews if they're destroying all of Christianity in the world and raping and killing everything across Europe? What good is that? Why fight because you end up in the same position where you're in Valhalla and you all die anyway. These guys don't even believe in

Odin and Freya, right? They don't really believe in these gods, right? They're just atheists that are sophistic. And anybody that understands what sophism is, it's a branch of the atomistic school that does not advocate anything. It advocates simply the resisting and the counterpoint, constant counterpointing of all other worldviews, kind of like the modern day lawyer, right? You go and you defend cases that you don't actually believe in. You're just plain counterpoint to everything. And that's what these pagans are. To me, that's the most important aspect. You can't make a justification for fighting for what you say is Western civilization, the human sacrifice of people to Odin and so forth. But the second most, I would say, is that your definition is a fallacy

of what Christianity is. You didn't say that Christianity was effeminate and weak when we beat you and kicked your asses across Europe. Okay. So when we chopped down your treasury and when we stopped human sacrifice and we liberated you from a demonic blood cold and you fought back still and the Saxons were disbanded by Charlemagne because you kept on breaking agreements and treaties without going into a lot of history.

The point is, is that whether it's European paganism, or any other type of paganism. Again, you can't make a justification for those worldviews, those statements within those worldviews, but you also are making a false definition, but how do you think weak Catholic Europeans conquered the world? How do you think Richard the Lionheart stacked 1,400 heads outside of the walls of Antioch after Saladin breaks a promise to do a prisoner swap?

And when he didn't, to prove he was serious, he made a pyramid out of heads of soldiers that he took prisoner. But was that weakness? Is that hippie and effeminate? We didn't get here by being weak and effeminate. We got here off of a principle that I love my enemy, but I can love you while I'm taking you down because you won't stop attacking me

and my priest and my family and my community. I love you, but I got to push you down. That was the history of our people. So to say that weakness comes from the Christian teachings, comes from Christ, it's such a fallacy. Even ancient Israel was tough as nails. Did you ever read the Book of Maccabee? Did you ever read the history of the kingdoms of Israel?

I mean, come on. And then you have guys that want to believe in this worldview and claim to be Catholic while denying that there's any connection with ancient Israel too because they because of a pagan influence, it's just say, right? So the point is it's just a lot of, it's a lot of incongruent thinking on that subject. And yeah, I mean, you're not, you don't have any numbers.

You don't have any power. No, Catholics don't have any power either right now, but at least we're clear about that. And we're larger in number. I mean, if we can get as many Catholics as possible in the same page with a similar principle of unity and a similar policy, I mean, we'd be unstoppable. I mean, worldwide, how many Catholics are there? And we got 10% of them together. What do you got?

Right? You just have a hatred for everything, everything. And we're number one on the list. Yet, as I proved in my recent podcast, for a recent talk I did on spaces and chopped it up for an edit, that the Third Reich was completely Catholic, was formed by Catholics, was endorsed by two popes, all the Episcopate, almost all the people that formed it were Catholic, Mussolini was Catholic, Leander Groh was Catholic, Franco was Catholic, Rivera was Catholic. So when you say that to these guys that want to just

bash Catholicism in general, they want to go in denial. And so it's a form of self-deception again, is the point. They just don't, it's like James, Jane, James Lindsay said recently on new discourses his past year. He said, I would rather us lose to the communists than for the traditional Catholics to win. That's how self-deluded they are. You can learn, I don't need to know everything about his worldview. I don't need to know about a particular end goal. Your goal is to either win by more democracy and neutrality and fairness and free speech to the enemy that's used that to attack us and win at every.

corner, right? Or surrender to the enemy, let them conquer us instead of returning to the very system of thought that birthed everything that we see around us, this civilization. That's loco. That's suicidal. There's also a connections, a communism there, and that you want to claim that you're the only one who can save something you didn't build. Right. you're saying okay well we can you know somebody else built this we're going to take it and we're the only ones that can save it we're the only ones that can make it we're the only ones that can make it right

and what are you going to do are you going to in saving the west are you going to go back to its values because if you're going back to western values they're not pagan right whose values are you going back to? So you're not looking to save the West. You're looking to destroy the West. Yeah, well, here's the problem. No thought, no attribute stands on its own. Right.

So when you say something like justice, that doesn't stand on its own. It's a byproduct of an entire system of thought. Right. So that system of thought, though, has a worldview. So the four major worldviews I just talked about earlier, Catholic worldview is not monistic or dualistic like some theologians in the modern day try to claim. We are neither one of those. We don't believe everything is an illusion.

We also don't think that there is a dualistic dual eternal to opposing eternal natures in the universe. We're created, therefore we're not co-eternal with God. The point is that we are a separate worldview, therefore give perennial unchanging definitions of something like justice and virtue and so forth. Communism is atomism. Carl Marx was from the atomist school. Yes, he grew up Jewish. Yes, he was Lutheran for a while. He became atheist, but within the atheist schools, most of these guys go towards atomism. And atomism is extremely important to understand because you don't actually believe that, well, two schools. One has free will and the other one where it's a self-determined material in the universe that's working itself out through history in the

dialectic towards a utopian outcome, right? And so that's what he believed. He didn't think that there was a free will within human consciousness. He believed that there is a self-will and it's predetermined in the material that makes up the atoms that move and evolve through history. So how can you say that you want to do anything in that worldview? You don't want anything. You You don't have a will. You had an illusion. See, this is why people don't understand. They don't do any reading. They haven't read the tiny, tiny pamphlet that the manifesto really is. Only slightly bigger than that, the, uh, the, uh, Das Capital. They haven't read Locke. They haven't read Minkamp. They haven't read anything on politics. Yet they want to say, oh, communism can save us because it wants to fight what? Degeneracy. Yeah, but you don't, again, within that world, you don't have a justification for fighting degeneracy. There's no, degeneracy. There's no you. There's no man putting on a dress and doing stuff. There's no man at all. But you get it. So arguments don't come from the individual person. They don't stand on their own. They're part of a system of thought. And as soon as you start plucking in an al-a-cart menu, oh, I want to believe this. Like Elon once said recently, he talked about Baruch Spinoza, the Jewish philosopher from the Enlightenment era. He was a, If I remember right, he was an atomist as well. So he talks about the importance of, you know, working hard and and having a certain determined will for a positive impact on society.

I'm like, what justification do you have in saying that if you believe in Spinoza? Well, I like Spinoza's statement here, but I also believe in what Nietzsche said here. And then what Nietzsche said here doesn't make sense because it was refuted by Heidegger, Martin Heidegger. Yeah, but all these guys believe in a certain level of an illusory, worldview and a human experience. You can't just pick and choose all these concepts because you end up with a grab bag of things that just don't make any sense at all, right? That's what I mean by the Catholic worldview creates a congruent reason to impose a certain amount of involvement on your human experience. It makes sense within the human or within the worldview of

Catholicism to say we should order society. We should order economy. like for instance in fascism, which was created by a Catholic Mussolini. And he based it, in my argument, he bases it on Catholic integralism because he grew up within that worldview. And the reason why I say that is because he talks about, of course, the inseparableness of your politic from your culture like I talked about. But he also talked about just like how the Third Reich talked about it in national socialism, that you have right to property, right to private property, and a certain level of freedom in as much as it does not seek to upend and destroy the society itself.

And what is society? That's us. We are the state. You and me are the state. He's the state unless he's an antagonistic actor against us. Therefore, he's an enemy of us, enemy of the state. So when you have a, for instance, a car industry and, Germany or Italy or America.

And all of a sudden a foreign maker comes in, starts undercutting your prices because they have foreign labor on the parts, and it destroys the American economy, the German economy, whatever. That is destructive. And the government, even in America, they used to at least not let you do that unless they tariffed you.

But once they tariff, there's no reason in doing that because you're forced to compete at the same level as the American product. So what's the advantage? So there's a deep, not just a philosophical and social construct, of fascism in self-preservation against communism and preservation of Christianity, there's also the element of protecting your actual commerce.

Whoa, no, no, no. We can't have any involvement with controlling the economy. We're supposed to have a free market economy. There's no such thing as a neutral free market economy. Somebody's always fixing the economy. Don't you get it? Everybody runs everything as a mafia. Everybody.

Everybody, including Catholic societies. And there's nothing wrong with that. Controlling the outcome of an economy that affects your family and your neighbors is a good thing. And you've been brainwashed in the West, all of us have, into believing that that's not, that's communist. That's not communism. Communism abolishes all right to property. All of it. Right.

And I just get a little irritated because so many people talk on things they haven't studied and read and don't know how to place in the context. and they think that also they should have a right to involvement in whatever politics is going on right now, including the whole election process. The election process is part of a political structure that is designed to deconstruct and attack us, and it continues to do so. Now, I don't believe in Curtis Jarvin's answer, Medicus Moldbug. I believe he's completely incompetent in answering what is going to replace the decaying system that is, what we have right now.

I do agree that you can't completely abandon the burning building. You've got to try to pull some people out and you can get some power in there. But you're not getting in the driver's seat. Guys, I guess I'm not getting into the driver's seat. What we need to have is collective power to protect each other while still in the burning building. While building, he calls the cathedral. I'm just saying we need to have our own political structure, just like how the Sicilian militia known as the mafia that were not always criminals

back in the 13th century did. They were just there to protect their own. That's it. While we're still having to deal with the current structure, that's the reality of what we're dealing with right now. So we're not going to have our ideas represented completely within the system. Trump gets in. It's still going to be a system that is not meant to be us,

but we can, through collective bargaining power, get something out of that power shift. You're not going to get it out of the current neo-Marxist power right now. Right. So advocating and recognizing there's a little bit of a right wing push, especially with people like Elon Musk and others that are jumping on board and saying, okay, let's push it back to the right a little bit. That benefits us a little bit.

Of course, they're part of groups that are against us too, but there's some power we can get out of that. You can't get any power right now. You got grandma's in prison for protesting with a rosary outside of an abortion conduct. What kind of power do you think guys like us can get now? Yeah. Charles Haywood said recently that people will say that these people who are looking to take over

the musks and these PayPal and Silicon Valley guys are, they're not our guys, but he said, if they have any hope. of accomplishing what they want to accomplish in basically destroying this managerial regime and instituting the things that they want, then they're going to have to become like us because then they won't win. They can't win unless they become like, you know, unless they realize that, okay, well, I'm going to have to become what I need to become in order to defeat these people, It's the same thing. It's the same thing that the nationalists understood in Spain at the end of 1936. And it's why, you know, shortly after the Carlos and the Falunge and the army and the military, the nationalists all came together. It's like if we don't come together and put aside our differences, we're dead, you know, basically Spain is gone. So we need to do this. And I think that, you know,

If they don't have that kind of attitude where it's like, okay, we're going to have to become whatever we need to become to destroy these people, then they're not going to get their way. And it'll just be a Trump part two where Trump is president, but the progressive, deep state, permanent state, managerial regime stays in charge and their power. they're right now they seem to be weak right now they seem to be weak right in a in a second term weak Trump White House and I don't think people you know people like if Trump gets elected all that's going to do is be a pressure release valve on on conservatives and they're not going to conservatives have nothing to do with this they just get the guy elected they're not put what are they doing put they're not what are they going to do oh we got to keep the pressure on him. How? What are you going to do? Are people taking buses up to the White House to protest

out there and he's going to come out and talk to them? No, none of you were doing that. Shut the fuck up. I know. I know. It's true. So if these guys want to want to accomplish the things they want to accomplish, they're going to have to become our guys. Because we're the only ones who have the will to destroy what is in power right now. Right. Tucker Carlson recently said something regarding all the bad stuff that's happening right now, and it's actually Christians of all people that are not panicking. And he's making, it's not really an objective. He identifies as Christian now, so good for him.

Yeah, so he sees that people that are not ordered are panicking. They don't have a view. What was it? The Mustash Man said that the difference between the, well, he said, Aryan, but European and the modern Jewish mentality was that the Jewish mentality seeks to order the world according to how he sees fit and how he wants it, whereas the European lives his life in accordance to how he wants his afterlife. In other words, preparation for the afterlife. And so a lot of people that only think of now, the materialistic worldview, they panic to think

that their life and their short experience here without a determined outcome, I don't know what's going to happen afterwards, that they worry about having a pointless life here because they're not getting what they want or whatever. Regarding the PayPal Mafia, I 100% agree. I believe that out of self-interest and self-preservation, and I heard your talk and a discussion recently on that subject, just out of self-preservation, a person like Elon Musk wants that. It's not that he's embracing everything that is conservatism.

He identifies as a cultural Christian. It doesn't mean he has faith in God. But the point is it doesn't matter. The point is power begets power. No power comes out of ex-Nilo. It doesn't happen. So right now, the conservative Christian man does not have any power, and let alone a Catholic.

The only Christians that have power are the Christian Zionists aligned with Israel. And their numbers are changing. The younger generation, they're like saying, oh, I don't like seeing baby parts blown up in Gaza. I'm supporting that. And so there's a certain shift happening. Not as many people are supporting the whole Harvest Crusade, you know, all the other stuff that was popular in the 90s and 2000s. And so they're getting to a point where they don't want to just be angry at the current structure. They want an answer what to do next.

then they can't answer what to do next if they're only filled with a certain amount of atheistic rage that is really going to lead to nothing more than the same worldview as the left. And that's why everybody makes memes now. It's funny because the left-wing trans spokesperson is speaking for the Democratic Party right next to the conservative Republican trans. It's like, you're the same. how does that represent Christian values? Don't expect non-Catholics to represent your Catholic values as the point.

Why are you surprised when they don't get represented unless you make a stink, unless you go to Washington? Of course, now if you go to Washington with a group, you're going to be accused of another January 6th. But the point is, is that, yeah, I mean, I can't emphasize enough how important it is to have that collective bargaining power that's not beholden to, I'll just say, in my opinion, you can't have clergy involved. Can you imagine a conservative clergyman in the

SSPX, for instance, getting involved with you at a public conference talking about our wants and needs, a John Birch Society type of thing? And something is said that is more extreme than anybody's used to hearing. It gets back to his superiors. You're supporting that? Okay, you're kicked out of the order. That's how, why put him there in the first place? It's the point. So too many Catholics are looking for an endorsement from a Williamson or a Father Burfet or somebody else. And you shouldn't be doing that. We have 2,000 years of church history, politics, political philosophy, historical records on how things should go down, how things can go down. And L. Sid did not get permission from the papal office to start crusading across the Andalusian Peninsula.

He just went and he won. And he inspired the first. crusade. So my point is, is that I think if you lead, others will eventually follow, and then we can get endorsements. But you don't need a blow-by-blow endorse. Can you imagine fighting the first crusade, you know, Pope Innocent or whoever at the bottom? Can I swing the sword now? Okay, what about, can I chop his arm off now? Okay. Can I stab? That's really how many of these guys have reduced Catholicism down to. They need to be told every second of what to do if you're to get involved with the political affairs, not of the world, but of representing our interest in the world. That's the

difference. So to me, being involved with the movement to the right does not mean you're embracing Trump or Elon Musk or PayPal Mafia or Maga movement or conservatism, Inc. It means that you're going to say, okay, it's moving this way again. The Overton window is moving that way. This is the time to get some kind of a strength. Right. And we've kind of been in the caves, in my opinion, the catacombs building our identity saying,

what is wrong? Where has everything gone? Why don't we have any power? What is our philosophy in life? What is our politic? What is the most likely politic to implement? What body can do that? Do we have a pack?

You know, all those things. And I think a lot of guys have asked that question coming to the conclusion like, yeah, we don't have any of that. We don't. So that's how you can. And to emphasize, guys, how important a political action committee can be, how a PAC can be, who do you think has more power of the Democratic Party or APAC? That's it? Yeah. So you don't need to be a political party.

And you definitely don't need to be a politician. politicians are placed there by PACs and they're financed by PACs, not by the party itself. And that's how we need to treat it. So in my opinion. I've talked about this before. I've probably haven't talked about it in a while. But the reason why you see so many states that had loose gun rights, I mean, here in Alabama, we got constitutional carry.

I think now it's almost half the states have constitutional carry. I think it was like five states 10 years ago. It was like it was under 10 states like 10 years ago. It was the National Association for Gun Rights. They just decided, look, this is all we're going to do. We are going to go into states and say, if you don't vote for this, we're going to primary you with this guy right here. And we have the money and we have the money behind us to do it. And I mean, that's what a PAC can do.

Right. I mean, the Republican Party can't do that. I mean, they can't do that. They basically can't do that legally. I mean, they can't, they don't have the ability to do that. But a PAC can go in and they can put pressure. I mean, they can put their thumb on people to make things happen. Right.

People just don't get that. People don't get, don't get that. They think because they, they may be remote, and I'm pretty, I live pretty far out, that, oh, nothing's going to touch you. Oh, no. Two hours north of here, Albertville, Alabama, three busloads full of Haitians show up. Anyone ever heard of Albertville, Alabama? Probably haven't.

Yeah. Yeah, three busloads of Haitians show up. Why? because a local company decided they wanted cheap labor, and they were going to shuttle them back and forth between their one city's plants and the other plant. And where do they live in? No.

You want to stop that? You want to make sure that doesn't happen? You start a pack, and all you do is focus on stuff like that, and you put the screws to your state legislature, governor, local people, make sure they know they're not going to get reelected or if they will make your life a living hell. Right. And yeah, I mean, that's the way to go.

I think social media has been a gift in this day and age. Shaming people does work. Bullying does work. Like, for instance, Candice just did a show yesterday or the day before about how the, I don't know the names. I don't really care to know the names of the campaign manager for Trump and how they're kind of restraining him, just let Trump be Trump. And of course, the Groypers, Nick Fuentes, declared a, you know, a war on the campaign until they got rid of them and went back to his roots and stuff like that. And this morning, his Trump campaign just made an announcement. They're

looking into replacing them. So the point is, is that saying, something works. This whole idea of like, look, I don't need to say anything. I have the law. I have the first amendment. The second amendment. We don't need to do anything. That is just baloney, at least in a democracy, right? And that's where that legalism comes from, that mentality that, look, we've already codified it in the constitution. We don't need to change anything. They don't care. Nobody follows the constitution right now. Nobody. The only time somebody ends up being able to defend themselves if it goes to this expensive court case, you have an entire movement behind you, it's high profile,

and then guess what? When that goes away, the vermin come back again, another few months and start another problem with somebody else on the same issue. And that is that I've talked about this before regarding the four laws of mafia power and all the studies I've done in the mafia, all the people I've interacted with and the families I've studied about, not just here, but back to Sicily.

especially before 1800, before they got involved with the free Masonic groups, like the Cabinari and so forth, they follow the same four laws of power that all people, especially in the modern day, follow. And that is, if you can't get power just by being a king with an army and just conquering another land, you have to do it through coercion. And you do that through those four laws. And that's, of course, Payala or influence peddling.

So you have to have money to do it. extortion. I got pictures on you. Didn't we send those nice girls to your apartment? Threats of violence and murder, really. And like Jimmy would talk about, Uncle Jimmy would talk about this. When they got their meathooks into somebody, a politician, it was an expensive thing to get him there.

So if he started backpedaling on a particular issue, it's a big hassle to replace somebody. So murder is almost never used. used by mafias, by secret societies and fraternities and so forth because it becomes expensive. So they usually almost always are successful with paying people off through influence peddling, right? But influence peddling isn't always just money. It's also massive attention on a subject.

Social media influencers are also a form of influence pedaling. But, you know, once you step, this is the problem. Once you step on the field of political reality, the political reality is you may not be committed to extortion, threats of violence and murder, but guess what? Everybody else is. So unless you are able to defend yourself physically, pay for a security detail or have security, you should not step into the political arena without the threat of being swatted, like, everybody gets threatened to be killed your family to be killed and so forth that will 100% happen if you're to the right of Hillary Clinton okay so if you can't handle that don't get involved that's going to happen threats are going to happen and not just threats of violence actual

murder will happen and we look at Andrew Breitbart he's not as right wing as we've wanted to be and everything else but there's no way he died of a heart attack house out of his house we know that everybody knows that you know just like jfk and tons of other people like a name so so you say okay we can influence well look at Lucas gauge i'm not agree with everything he says but here's a guy where he was swatted four or five times in one 24 hour period for criticizing israel and how many death threats i mean like dozens and dozens and the cops and the FBI got involved now finally so it's not like the days in the 80s where they could just blow up urtzen dell's house and an attempt to kill him, right? That's just too much attention to social media now. So even people that want to do

those types of things can't just simply do it and get away with those. Too many eyes and cameras and things like that. That's an advantage. The disadvantage is they can also know who you are quickly and easily too and docs you. So these are all part of the equation. So I just, I would like to influence that or emphasize that because a lot of people are very starry-eyed and thinking, we're going to go out there and we're going to talk about our great ideas. Everybody's going to be enamored by it. They're going to love our, yeah, and they're just going to say, oh, you're exactly what we've been missing.

You're going to have infighting amongst your own. You're going to have fighting from your enemy. You're going to have death threats. You're going to have problems, disagreements. It's all difficult. Or you could just go back to sitting on your ass and being quiet in the corner and kissing yourself, your ass and Western civilization goodbye. So there's really only two choices there.

And in my opinion, the way the enemy has been so effective is getting people to believe that, look, you have an elected official, he'll represent your interest. If you have a problem, call your congressman. That doesn't work. An individual calling a congressman doesn't mean anything. So, influence, again, influence peddling is also, yeah, contact, but publicly shaming them. I sent a letter. Now I posted on social media. I copied this person.

He's reshared it. Now it's got 100,000 views. All of a sudden, you get a call from your congressman. I mean, yeah, it's hard work. But, you know, we're not going to have a civil war in this country, guys. What was going to happen to what happened in 2020? At least that I see in the foreseeable future right now. So this idea, like I'm just waiting to the civil war happens and I'm going to grab my rifle.

You've been saying that for how many decades and things get continually worse and you still do nothing to step into the arena of political power. So you could do both. If you could expect any civilization to fall. then ours might fall. But in the meantime, don't you want to make the preparation for the potential of not happening like that

a better outcome? And if it does happen, a better outcome? Very fatalistic, in my opinion. It's not good. I think that's actually a perfect place to end and we'll pick up the conversation

at another time. So tell everybody where they can find your work. Thanks for having me, brother. Yeah, good conversation. You can find me on Twitter. The Why We Fight Podcast. It's at Why We Fight 2020. And I recently opened a new YouTube account because my old YouTube account was heavily

shadow banned. But most of my activities on Twitter X, that's, of course, why we fight with Justin Stam on there. I'm on Rumble, but I haven't done a whole lot. To me, Twitter is the place to be. And I'm trying to do more podcasts, too, but I'm just very busy, family work. kids, everything. But I feel everybody, if they did at least

a essay, be involved with comment sections, do their own content, their own videos, having conversations like this, it does have an effect, guys. I became an adult convert and came to the understanding of a lot of these things as an adult. I mean, I was a philosophy nerd, a history nerd.

Everything became clear later in life. And it's because of guys like you, guys like you Pete, guys that are listening, even small comments and private conversations. So, don't think your small actions don't have a larger effect, especially on guys that have a following. And they do.

They have a huge effect. So I appreciate everybody that's been part of my personal journey. I appreciate you. Have a good night. And go to Mass tomorrow. We got a feast. Thanks, brother. Take care.

Bye.