The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1099: How Should We Feel About Rising Tech Power? w/ Meta Prime

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

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Sure. Yeah. So give you the quick background. I got on back in. It was around 2021, around COVID. A lot of us did. We just kind of cooped up and looking for other. people to kind of talk to about every all the crazy stuff that was going on and when I got on initially got into the space because a buddy of mine was a big fan of the good old boys podcast. They have some some great stuff. I've always been really enjoyed. They're consistently quality

show and one of the things I was realizing is a lot of people in the space talk about the problems, which I think is good. It's necessary to understand that stuff. Not a lot of people were talking about solutions. Specifically, when I started to kind of have my awakening experience back in 2016 with that election cycle, that was rough for me because I was very embedded in a liberal network. And the reactions that I was getting from people around me were, you're crazy, this isn't true. You know, like you're seeing things. Like, you know, the media is totally trustworthy.

and Donald Trump's evil racist, you know, bigoted misogynist, whatever, whatever. And I realized, well, either I am actually crazy or, you know, everyone around me is exceptionally brainwashed. And, you know, to some degree, it's a little bit of both. But getting out of that, you know, experience, going through that awakening experience in a way that's healthy, that orientes you towards what is good, because, you know, what you don't want to, you to do is dive all the way down the rabbit hole and become this kind of like frothing at the mouth, you know, basement dwelling conspiracy theorist. You want to actually, you know, come out of that realizing, you know, it's important to invest in, you know, my life and my job and my family,

my community and kind of build things from that perspective. And so, you know, writing a little bit of a guide of, you know, how people can do that, just in a broad sense, that's where a lot of my content has been focused. You know, I like to talk about everything from spirituality to technology to politics. I think that spirituality is a very important part of kind of getting through that. I also think technology is a really interesting space right now because a lot of the questions that are being asked kind of fall back on morality and ethics and life purpose and all of those kinds of things. And so I think that's a lot of a really fun space to to play around in and talk about and create content. And so that's largely the two areas for me is just kind of helping people

break away from the mainstream delusion and find a place in the parallel movement and you're talking about where we're going in the future. Well, there's some stuff there to build off of. I wanted to have you on today to talk about tech. And you know, you talked about conspiracy theories and six, seven, eight months ago, there was a conspiracy theory that these little tech guys, we recall it the PayPal Mafia after the Wikipedia page. And yeah, we thought, well, you know, it looks like these guys were actually trying to make a move, like, you know, move up in elite status and become political elites. And it's no longer a conspiracy theory. It's true. I mean, it's Mark Andresen is clearly, they're clearly admitting it.

So, yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Considering where we are, we're in, you know, four years ago, the biggest sci-op probably in the history of the, you know, the modern nation state was COVID as far as I'm concerned. And four years later, we are, we have the biggest. SIEOP is basically changing every five minutes. And so when you hear that, oh, this new group of elites, they want to displace the elites that are in charge now, and they're all tech guys, how does that make?

What do you think when you hear that? Yeah. So I came across the episode that Matt from Kyi, from Kyi, Kingfield did on your show. I want to say this was two and a half, three months ago now. One of my good buddies, Arcology, sent me the podcast. And he was like, what do you think about this?

You should listen to it. And so I was driving across the country at the time. I was moving from the East Coast out to the PNW. And I'm in the car and I listen to the whole episode. And just everything from that episode just clicked and made so much sense. I was actually like frantically messaging tons of people in my network. me like, oh, you've got to listen to this episode. This is great. This really kind of connect the dots for me. And I think to me, what was the most compelling element of that episode and what kind of really brings it together is just the motivations.

So this is a big thing for me. I've written articles about how do you understand the modern world as it exists today? Well, one of the big pieces is you have to look at the motivations, the incentives. And a lot of the incentives are pretty material. I like to think that we need to start encouraging people to have more spiritually focused motivations. But if you look at Elon, for example, and you see how badly he got screwed in Delaware out of $55 billion because of some sort of, you know, like political, you know, disagreement with that judge in Delaware and just kind of the party more broadly, or how much he gets screwed, you know, in SpaceX, because. because he has to hire people who aren't American citizens, but also he has to not hire American citizens because of the security clearance issues.

And then just the fact that they want to build cool stuff, right? And effectively the lawfare and the bureaucracy and the incompetence and all of these kinds of things are getting in the way. And so it would make sense that they're like, screw this. You know, we're going to go fix the government. And so I think that was a big part of, of what really made sense to me is that these people are just very intrinsically motivated to make sure, hey, look, like, if we want to keep doing what we're doing, we need a stable society.

We need America to work and to function and to run well. And we need people in the populace to be competent and happy and safe. And the current regime is doing a horrible job of that. And so I think that they're very motivated to get in and to fix things. And, you know, they're in a great position to do so. I've been a long time Elon Musk fan. I mean, since he first came in and bought Twitter and turned it into X, there's been plenty of times where, you know, through the space,

you've had guys say, oh, I don't buy the blue check mark. Or, you know, Elon, you know, wore that armor, that satanic armor. He's not actually one of our guys. And I've had to be like, look, it doesn't matter. And I think you and Matt have made this point multiple times. And I think it's a very important point is it's not so much that they are our guys or not our guys, whatever. They are the battering ram. They are the vehicle through which, you know, the old regime that is very much opposed to, you know, trying to do everything you can to, you know, to corrupt the healthy American middle class as much as possible.

Like, they're going to take that down. And so it's a stepping stone and we still have to do things at a local level and, you know, build our own kind of elite in the background. But as far as I think it's definitely happening, I think it's a good thing. I think, you know, we got to be smart about it. I think the episode that you did with Jason, you know, I don't know exactly when this is going to come out, but it was just, you know, a couple days ago was fantastic. And, you know, I think you guys hit a lot of good points there. So from the very beginning, it's been very compelling. I think you're absolutely right.

It's just more and more obviously the case every day. And I'm pretty excited. It doesn't dare ex-mocking us out of this whole situation, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. Those people who love going out shopping for Black Friday deals, they're mad, aren't they? Like, proper mad. Brenda wants a television and she's prepared to fight for it.

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There's some far-left guys. There's some left wing guys or some, there's, most people don't know this. There's a couple of far-right guys in that group. And then you have middle of the road guys and you have right-leaning guys. And that gives you some hope because, you know, it's like, okay, it's not all, you know, you'd want it to be along the lines of your ideology that's not going to happen. So you have some hope that it's going to be spread out, You'll even within there, you'll have interested or competing against each other.

But it's also a reflection of our society, which doesn't work. So what do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, this has been a big thing for me, trying to unite the kind of the space that we have online and not really necessarily get people to think of themselves as like, I'm like a right-wing conservative dissident, whatever it is. to me, what unites our space more than anything is just objective and sometimes harsh truth over this kind of subjective, you know, delusion that's oriented towards this fluffy utopian vision. Like what our guys want at the, you know, the kind of the base level is like we want a competent society. We want it to be healthy and oriented towards what is good and natural and positive.

positive. I think that we need, you know, left wing or, you know, classically liberal people just as much as we need conservatives. We need the innovators and we need the conservatives for everything to work out. You want to conserve what was good and worked about the past, but you also have to innovate it and change it and update it. And so if you try to be like too much one thing, you know, you get that echo chamber, you know, it becomes lopsided. You have too many of these, you know, conservative people. You have not enough the artists and the innovators. And, you know, the nice thing about this, too, is, you know, a lot of these guys like Elon and, you know, they're running these businesses and they're realizing, well, the delusional utopian thinking is getting in the way of us actually running the business.

And what we need to return to is just truth-based, focused, hierarchical, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And so it's just intrinsic in the economic motivation to, you know, go to the stars and to explore outer space that we need to return to what is natural and true. And so I have no qualms about, you know, that mix of guys being kind of all these different ideologies because what fundamentally unites them is this kind of quest for truth and competence. And I think that that ultimately is going to benefit us. How do you think their personal desires? Well, you know, we were talking about before we started recording about transhumanism and it's obvious i mean i can never remember the guy's name who's out in uh who's out in silicon valley who's like wants to live forever he oh yeah

moon bra whatever yeah takes all the silo i mean like his takes his son's blood like does blood transfusion with his son's blood things like that i mean how do these brian johnson yeah brian johnson Yeah. How do we, you know, if people like this are going to have, you know, they're going to have elite status and they're going to be the ones, you know, I believe power creates culture. It seems, it seems obvious that culture comes, you know, that Andrew Breitbart was wrong. You know, his politics is not downstream from culture. Culture is downstream from power. So how does this play out when you have the influence of?

people who are transhumanist, you know, pushing us forward. Yeah. Well, so I think this is a discussion that doesn't get had a lot. And so there's definitely a lot of ground to cover talking about like new ideas and terminology. For me, there's a difference between transhumanism and human optimization, right? The key difference being what can we do that enhances the kind of natural, divinely aligned, positively aligned qualities of the human experience versus how are we, you know, what I think of the negative transhumanism, the techno and bio-transhumanism, that is trying to willfully subvert what is natural and good about the human experience.

And we can look at it through two lenses. We can look at it through the spiritual side of things where you can talk about, what is your purpose of life and being on earth and you know think of it as kind of in that spiritual context but I think that the argument can also be made on the material side of things like look at the idea of death you know Brian Johnson and a lot of these other people they're trying to subvert death trying to conquer death so that death isn't you don't die at all right and so for me, that human optimization, I think living a long and healthy lifespan, where you are physically fit for a longer period of time, you have more of that mental acuity, I think that's

good if we can find biological ways to do that. That being said, I think that it is part of the healthy and natural cycle to die. If you have a generation that thinks that they're going to live forever or acts like they're going to live forever like you do in the boomer generation, well, you see how the boomers kind of treat this subsequent generations. There's this lack of investment in making sure that those younger generations are going to be better off. They're going to be more successful. It's a very self-centered, self-focused way. And so if you get rid of death, right, you get rid of this kind of inbuilt system to encourage people to think forward and, you know, think about the younger generations. So you still need to have that. But you can do it hopefully in a way that

augments and optimizes the human experience without subverting it. And so I think that's a difficult conversation because there's a lot of different areas and a lot of nuance. But I think that that's kind of the point that we're at. It's similar with any technology. And I think you were saying this earlier before we started recording. Like these things are going to happen. You have to ride the tiger of technology. The important question will be how do you interface with that? We can't be Luddites, but you know, we have to do it in a way that does kind of align with that natural human experience. Well, also, if you think that you're going to live forever

or you think you have the means scientifically, medically, then doesn't morality start to go away? Does it, oh, now we can do things that will damage ourselves, and we can start promoting that, and now that becomes the norm. Whether it be, I mean, you immediately think of drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, anything. Well, if we have cures to all of these things, well, you know, what happens to morality? Yeah, I mean, that's a good point.

I mean, one of the things I often say is we have when it comes to the spiritual reason that we live in a world where you have the spiritual and the material is because if you just lived in a purely spiritual world, you could say whatever your beliefs are. But there's no way of proving that, right? Living in the material world is we have to sacrifice something for our belief. So if, you know, if I believe that being healthy is important, well, then I have to go to the gym. I have to put in that time and, you know, work out. Or if I believe that it's, you know, important to, you know, spend time with family and friends

and build in your community, my action should reflect that. And I think similarly, part of this whole system is, yeah, in order to find, you know, the healthy and correct path, we have this feedback system of you do something wrong, you know, and things are supposed to get worse for you, right? So yeah, if you're just wantonly pursuing vice and you could balance that out by just throwing as much money at it to, you know, to take some sort of medication or pills or whatever it is so that it doesn't have any negative side effect, you're completely removing that feedback system that is supposed to orient you towards kind of a healthy path.

And that's kind of what I mean when I talk about. If we transcend or if we have this transhuman kind of future that's biotechno based, we're going to spiritually, we're going to walk off the correct path, right? And we're not going to have that feedback. And that's going to be ultimately detrimental because I believe we're here, you know, on a spiritual reason to kind of learn about ourselves, learn about creation, learn about divinity. It's about our personal progression and growth.

And if you don't have, if you kind of extract yourself from the consequences of making the wrong decisions in that system, you're not going to get out of it, what you're meant to get out of it on a spiritual level. On the many days of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee, a visit filled with festivity. experience a story of Ireland's most iconic beer

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for people who, you know, who don't want to accept the fact that tech is moving forward, you know, you're Luddites, or for people who aren't familiar with English textile workers, Amish, we're moving forward. Tech is going to go forward no matter what. I mean, I've read Industrial Society in its future. I've read it. I've read the whole thing on my podcast. And I know what's in there.

And the really interesting thing is all these tech guys, they've read it too. They studied it. You can ask any one of them about it, and they will basically be able to tear it apart. I mean, not tear it apart by saying, oh, this is where he's wrong and everything. Anyone can do that. But they know it. They can tell you the sections. They can tell you what the power process is.

They can tell you what over-socialization is. And yet we know that the answer isn't to go back to the bronze. So we're forced to move forward unless somebody wants to move out to the woods and if somebody wants to move out to the woods I'm no problem with that God bless you're not hurting anybody Maybe yourself, but we're going forward no matter what You know I guess the question is is that Again, I think I've already said this the leadership Who's going to be who's going to be leading us down that way? Who is going to who are going to be there spiritually?

advisors. Is it going to be something out of a dystopian future where it's some, you know, Elbron Hubbard kind of character or, you know, somebody like, you know, a Crowley type of figure, or is it going or, you know, where does it go? And does it have to be, does it have to be, you know, guided by an Abraham, an Abrahamic religion or, you know, an Eastern religion? How do we get, how do we get, how we get through this when it will. I don't think, I personally think AI probably has its limitations, but when you start reading about quantum computing, you're like, okay, there may be no limitations here. So, you know, basically, what is our guidance? What should we, what should we be looking to? And do we trust any of these people to be doing that? Yeah. I mean, there's, there's kind of two parts

this, right? It's like, okay, what should we even be kind of hoping is the ideal? And then, like, what are the current tech elite, if they do lead us, like, where are they probably going to lead us? And then, you know, we could, we talk about, you know, what the worst case, dystopian kind of nightmare looks like, but I think that that's, that's been done at nauseam. But for, for me, kind of this goes back to why it's so important to have this spiritual side of the equation. To me, you know, I, so I am what I call a perennialist, right, Audius Huxley wrote about the perennial philosophy. I consider it's just metastritorality, this understanding that all religions are different interpretations of the same thing. Call that the divine, a higher power of God. You have

pantheon. But you're effectively trying to describe the same. spiritual. And a lot of the, one of the big, uh, common misconceptions about the spiritual for the modern age, especially this comes out of like the Reddit atheist view is that there's no structure. There's no meaning. It's, it's kind of like this, these kind of ideals that are set apart from nature. I don't know if you read the rogue scholar, uh, uh, article that just came out recently about paganism and Christianism and it was just very much. Lunkhead did a great rebuttal to it. It was just very poor understanding. It was a very Reddit tier understanding of spirituality. And to me, you know, what is true is that the spiritual and the material are intertwined,

that you can derive a pretty good spiritual understanding and how all of this works from just the way our material works, you can look at things like the hero's journey, you know, Campbell's hero's journey. To me, that's the blueprint for how to solve a problem, right? The hero gets the call to adventure, goes out into the unknown. They get some sort of magical item from the wise old man that's kind of the knowledge being passed down to prepare the younger generation to go out into the unknown. And then there's the death and the rebirth, right? The death of the old understanding that didn't work in the birth of something new that does and that's able to conquer the great evil, receive some sort of reward, knowledge of solving the problem, and come back to

the village forever changed. And you know, you look at that and you look at things like the idea that when we are in a state of being challenged, we can slide into that flow state, that really, you know, it's an enjoyable state of immersion. And that's when we are being challenged at the highest level that we're capable of still performing in it, right? It takes that focus. And what I'm getting at is there's these materials kind of phenomenon that kind of point to the purpose of life being growth through contention with problems, with challenge. And so to me, that is the purpose of life. like what is meaningful. It's not the solution of the problem. It's the process of problem solving

that then brings about growth and further understanding both of ourselves and the world around us. And so when I think of what do we want to be building in the future? And this is why I love AI and technology so much having that conversation is because what's basically being proposed is you have a world where all of your needs are met. You have all of your food and your clothing. And There's no real problems that need to be solved. So you get to just indulge and pleasure and, you know, just kind of hang out. Well, you know, what we're going to need is some sort of artificial environment that allows us to continue to solve problems and to challenge ourselves and to grow, right? To some degree, we have that in modern society, you know, civilized society who has like sports teams and, you know, learning.

You go to college and, you know, school and you learn. about these things or you try to solve problems that maybe have already been solved before. You're figuring them out on your own. And so I think that's going to be a big thing is, you know, where are the frontiers, right? And how can we still, you know, give people the chance to learn and to grow and to challenge themselves? I think we have, we're a long way off because there's still, I am, I think that the, the AI techno revolution that will bring about the utopian solution. is extremely far off.

I don't think it's anywhere near close enough to warrant the level of conversation that's going on now. But if we're kind of thinking about where that's going, that's where I think it is going, is ideally people realizing the value of challenge and adversity as part of that human experience and how we generate meaning. To quickly touch on the question of, you know, where are the tech elite going to be in this?

Again, I think it's very overhyped how fast this is coming. I see a lot of videos online where people will say, oh, you know, AI is going to destroy everything in the next five years or whatever it is. I think we have a long time to wait before that really becomes an issue. But I, and I'm optimistic because, you know, you look at the evolution of like Elon and his perception where he is. I think he's probably been pretty close to the best about a lot of his ideas and is just kind of getting more spicy now just because the mainstream sentiment is kind of caught up.

But I also think he himself has personally evolved. And again, my contention is that the spiritual and the material, because they're overlapped and they're intrinsic to each other, it is something that's discernible to kind of figure out the value of, you know, when Peterson and Elon had that conversation, the philosophy and morality of, you know, why Elon was doing what he was doing and why he was oriented grok towards truth and all of those things came out. And so I like to think that given enough time and enough attention on those things, people start to figure that out. People realize that's meaningful. And it's a win-win, right? It's like if you're engaged in things that are meaningful and

exciting and in that challenge and you realize that that is valuable, like that's generally productive for society, for you, people around you. And so I'm cautiously optimistic that the tech elite will kind of come around to this understanding that the technology is not going to advance so quickly that we... On the many days of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee a visit filled with festivity. Experience a story of Ireland's most iconic beer in a stunning Christmas setting at the Guinness Storehouse. Enjoy seven floors of interactive exhibitions and finish your visit with Brett taken views of Dublin City from the home of Guinness. Live entertainment, great memories and the gravity bar. My goodness is Christmas at the Guinness Storehouse. Book now at ginnestorehouse.com.

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It seems like from more that I hear these little tech guys talk, they're really worried that the United States has let its military basically fall off and become, a shadow of its former past. What do you think that, what do you think the intention behind talking, them talking about that is? Yeah. Well,

so I've had a few people on my own show, while back the third episode, we talk about economics. And one of the things that I'm fairly confident, this seems to be where things are going, is European countries are going through sovereign debt default. They kind of overcommitted to green energy. They don't have the nuclear plants and the coal and all that kind of stuff.

And so, you know, they're going to be in a tough way. I think production is going to come back to the United States because, you know, we clearly, you know, I think there was what a cargo ship that got blown up a couple days ago. It's getting increasingly harder for us to police international shipping lanes. You obviously have, I think you'd maybe mention this either early in the beginning or kind of before about battling for, you know, like the, like graphics card production, like NVIDIA and Thailand and all this kind of stuff. Like there's an increased tension rising.

And I think that world trades are going to get harder and harder to maintain. I think we're going to see production come back to the United States. I think we're going to see. And I think that'll be wildly beneficial for us because we have more. inland waterways than the rest of the world find shipping over water is very very cheap we have a lot of natural resources here we have a lot of oil gas um lumber uh a lot of natural resource natural minerals and stuff like that so you know we can um rebuild that manufacturing industry locally um i have a little doubt of that but i think you know i also have a friend in

Army recruiting, I know a few people and just the numbers are down, the people who are there. The quality and the competence of the Army right now is just really falling apart. A lot of our military stockhold or, you know, the ammunition that we have, they've been sent over to support Ukraine. So we don't have the equipment that we once did. We don't have the ability to produce it as we once did. And we do have these rising powers. Russia, China, right, who are, you know, posturing in ways that are kind of ominous. And, you know, and they're taking economic stances, too.

I think that the U.S. economy is a little too big for them to put up a real serious threat to. But, I mean, we'll see that play out. But I think it's very smart for them to care about American military dominance. Again, I think that the biggest thing that convinced me that they were getting involved when I'd listened to Matt talk on your show was the incentive structure. And they're very incentivized to make sure that America stays a superpower and has the international sway that it does. And so I think their desires is well founded. And I think that it's going to be important to make sure the American military stays competent. but I also think that, you know, as things shake out, we're going to see production come back.

And ultimately for the guys who are kind of local and listening, that presents, it's going to create hard times, but it also presents a lot of opportunities for them to be, you know, building themselves in a local level, like small business, you know, gaining access to a lot of the resources and businesses that the boomers have built, that they're going to be leaving behind soon. So I think that, you know, that idea of, you know, may you live in interesting times, it's not great if you're rich and successful because interesting times means that you can be unseated. But for guys who are kind of smaller, average, you know, Americans, you know, whether you're lower middle class, you're going to have a lot of opportunities to capitalize on the things that are changing.

And if you play your cards right, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, We can start to build some serious competence and resources. We can basically build our own elite that can then kind of follow the tech elite and kind of get involved and try to advocate for the change that we actually want to see. More are our guys, our guys. There's so much rugby on Sports Extra from Sky, they've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes.

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because you mentioned China there. And that's something that, um, like Andresen and Horowitz, I heard them talk about recently. They are fully convinced that the United States has to win the AI war with China. Is that just self-interest as far as business, or do you think there's something larger there? Yeah. I mean, it's a good question. I think that the most days.

dangerous thing with increasingly powerful tools is that those tools can be used for greater and greater evil, right? We think about the atom bomb and whatnot. I think that I oscillate between AI is wildly overblown and it's not going to have nearly the impact that people think it is. and well, there's, you know, even, and I think Elon's made this case before as well, like, there's an extremely small chance that it could lean to, you know, the singularity and whoever controls that will, you know, basically have a path to world domination. I don't think that's a risk that we want to take is just being like, oh, you know, we can take a backseat to AI development and, you know, there's only a small chance that whoever

kind of wins that race is going to, you know, decide the fate of the human race. So I do think it is important that we are on the cutting edge of that. I am concerned you see states like California that are rolling out these legislative laws limiting AI development. I think that that is going to be very detrimental. It's going to be interesting to see how people handle that. I think you guys were even mentioning, you know, Thiel on Rogan talking about moving out of California and that kind of being a warning shot to California that, hey, you know, you better not kind of screw this up legislatively. I think they're under a lot of pressure from Sam Altman and, you know, other kind of established AI groups to put this into place so that they can maintain supremacy by basically squashing the ability for smaller groups to get up and running. But I do think that it is largely overblown.

I think we talked a little bit about quantum computing. I think that that's a far more kind of unknown space that has insanely more potential. I don't, you know, you look at the LLMs today. One of the things I often say is like, there's the plateau. We're reaching a plateau when it comes to AI. I think that what's going to end up happening is you're going to have more specialized AI. AI models that are focused on smaller areas. The problem being the data that you train your AI off of needs to be consistent or else then you're going to have the errors and the hallucinations.

And as we've seen with a lot of the AI models that come out where they're kind of force-feeding it this woke ideology and they're not allowing it to answer outside of the route, the overton window of what's acceptable, you're basically hamstringing the intelligence. of your model because your model needs to be logically consistent across all of the data that you feed it. And if you start telling it that you need to accept certain delusional premises, that doesn't just break that one area. That breaks the whole model. And this is why I've been a big fan of Elon making Grock is because as long as you are oriented towards truth, again, going back to the ideology that kind of unites all of us, even harsh truth, you're going to be able to

build a significantly stronger AI model, to a point where the other models that are beholden to woke ideology won't even have a chance of competing. And so I'm kind of curious, like, to what extent that problem plagues China. I think that they could probably develop something where they don't have to worry about that nearly as much. But the other problem that China has is they, their culture is inherently, you know, communist drone-like. They don't have creativity. It's very hard for them to bring up new ideas and to innovate. I think that their economy is very poorly situated towards the development of AI.

So, but I think that the second you underestimate your opponent is the second that you give them an opportunity to beat you with that. And so, you know, to kind of summarize, I would say that it is very important that, Like if there's one area where our enemies could gain an advantage, it is AI. I think it's very important that we lean into that as a country. I'm glad to see guys like Elon at the forefront of that because I don't really trust guys like Sam Altman. But I also think that there's a very large chance that a lot of this is more overblown than is being talked about. And we're kind of a long way off from having to worry at the level that some of these people are talking about. How worried are you about, you know, if this is an actual move, and I think it is by these guys to use Trump getting elected.

He still needs to get elected in order for this to happen to move out the existing elites. That's not going to be something that will be done very easily. and as a matter of fact, they will go to war, they will go to war against people who are doing it, and I'm fully convinced they will go to war against people who are supporting it, like even public, you know, those public voices who would support a move like this. So, you know, do you think that there's,

with what you know about the regime that exists right now, do you think they even have a shot of doing this? Because I'm at the point where, no matter what I think about them, even if I think that they're hostile actors, I'm talking about the PayPal Mafia, these little tech guys, if they're going to, the regime that exists is, is dying and has to go. So somebody's going to, somebody with power and money is going to displace them at some point. So, I mean, what do you think the odds on that are happening now from everything you've heard us talking about it and everything you've seen? Yeah, I mean, there's a few important points that I want to highlight here. I mean, the first is I had Clay Martin on the podcast not so long ago. He's an author of Path of the Windigo.

He wrote Borean Spirit recently. He's an ex. I just had him on the show, yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. We talked about violence. We talked about, yeah. Yeah, he's great.

For anyone listening, if you have, I haven't definitely check him out, and I'm excited to listen to that episode. But one of the points that he makes, he made when he came on was like, this was clearly, he's pretty convinced there was a second shooter, that there was more to that than just incompetence, that of the attempt. And to me, what that implies, right, you can think about these things logically, and it's very easy to say, okay, well, if the regime is literally trying to so desperate, that they're trying to assassinate Trump and they fail. Well, that's not the moment that they give up. They're not like, oh, well, you know, we took her shot.

We missed and, you know, now we're never going to, we're not going to resist anymore. It's like, no, no, no. They're going to escalate, right? Because the problem that they have, this is not like a, oh, you know, we lost our cushy government jobs and so we'll go get jobs in tech or, you know, go to the farm or do whatever. Like, they have no backup. option. On top of that, right, they've probably done some pretty bad stuff. You guys were talking on the Thiel episode about how he talks about compromising material and how that's just kind of par for the course. So in order for you to play the game, you have to do something compromising. And good, good friend of mine, Tyrant Tyrant's muse, he's talked about blackmail inflation and how AI is really going to shake things up because you can.

generate, you know, endless amounts of blackmail, you know, videos and stuff like that on people. And that allows you to discredit any of the real blackmail that's out there, right? And so this becomes a big problem because now people can kind of switch teams and you might have had people you were keeping in check with that blackmail. Like, you know, it's not necessarily that all these guys are good, but, you know, maybe controlled evil is a little bit better than just kind of like chaotic evil. And so that's another factor of this is, you know, with AI going mainstream and all this kind of stuff,

they're definitely feeling a little bit less like, oh, you know, if blackmail stuff comes out, I can always, you know, deny it in this way or that way. And so you see a lot of these loyalty shifting. I think Zuckerberg is probably the most prominent example of this. When the assassination attempt didn't work, he came out saying, oh, you know, that was, I'm not going to get political on Facebook, but also, you know, that was the most patriotic badass thing I've ever seen. And more recently, and it was just today or yesterday, he's coming out talking about how he regrets, you know, promoting the COVID stuff and wanted to shift that. So there's, there's a big, to me, that is a huge indication that basically Zuckerberg saying, I have no. faith that the regime is going to be successful. I think that the tech elites are going to win.

I'm setting myself up to kind of transition over to their side of the fence. I think you're starting to see that with certain other accounts out there. So I'm pretty optimistic that the tech elite has a chance of winning here. And I also think that, you know, that things are going to get messier and more aggressive because I don't expect these people to give up power lightly. Yeah, the Zuckerberg thing, people, I think one of the big mistakes that people make is thinking that everybody is ideological. So when they see Zuck go, hey, I think I made a mistake, you know, I made a mistake about this and, you know, and that was, that's not him changing his ideology.

that's just him commenting, that's just him saying, yeah, you know, this was an error in tactics. Ideology really, I think ideology is having a strict ideology is one of the reasons why most people

just are, who even are just buried in politics on a daily basis, still don't understand politics. Because they have their ideology and they apply that to everyone else. Well, I have my ideology. Obviously, they have to have their ideology. It's like libertarians. Well, I want liberty. So that person over there must want the same kind of liberty I want to, right? Well, no, most people just aren't like that.

Most people are just going through life and they're wanting to be able to live their lives and believe certain things. And, you know, some people, I'm fully convinced that a lot of of these tech guys just absolutely hate politics, but it's just the game you have to play. When you get to the point where you have the kind of money they have, and now you're, you're buried in the regulatory state. So you have to play politics. It's why these guys give, you know, oh, who do we think is going to win? Okay, that's who we're giving our money to. Oh, who do we think's going to win? That's who we're giving our money to. That's the way I knew that this was something different is because they're not going, oh, we think Donald Trump's going to win,

so we're backing Trump. No, they're backing Trump for a reason. And it doesn't have to be the reason they're doing it isn't necessarily ideological. It's, well, we need to accomplish something. We want to accomplish something for whether it be our bottom line, whether it be something that I think is important in the future, that I need to do that's important in the future. And so when you see a a Zuckerberg, you know, taking this turn, you don't have to believe, oh, he's trying to pull a fast one on us. No, he's, that's not everybody's, that's not everybody's intention in doing something. Self-interest is most, most people are just operating on self-interest. And if his self-interest is, well, you know, a lot of these guys that I've known for years or

moving into these positions to take this thing over, I want to take the ride along with them. Well, that's what's going to happen. Ideology really is poison in many cases. And you can have your own ideology, and that's fine. But projecting it onto other people that everyone else is as strict an ideology as you do, an ideology that is only on like a three-by-five card. and anything else is not allowed on it. Well, that's just not the way it is.

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And this is kind of to my point earlier with why I was so convinced by Matt's argument on your show is you can look at Elon and it has nothing to do with how he feels ideologically that he's going after the regime. It has everything to do with, I built this business, I'm trying to make things run, I want to go to the moon. And that's very clear and stated goal that he's had.

And in order for him to do that, you know, he's basically got to fix things in the government. And he's got to battle them. He's been very smart. That's the other thing is like I've always told people like, don't look at what Elon says. You know, look at why, you know, what he's doing and how that kind of fits into this game of, you know, his kind of broader goals. And you'll understand things. And I think you're absolutely right. It's the same thing with Zuckerberg is he was playing the game.

and now he's at a point where he realizes the seat of power is probably going to shift, and he's kind of taking this, I'm going neutral stance so that he can make that switch over later on when that happens. Yeah, one more thing for those out there who, you know, think I'm just picking on them and everything. It's, you know, you have to understand if you had the kind of power they did and you're sticking to your idea, and you're implementing your ideology, there are going to be people who are going to be hurt because of that. There are people who have no interest in that ideology who is going to clash against, and you're not going to care because it's your ideology. You think it's right. Other people are doing the exact same thing, and they may just not agree with you. So it's like, if you're,

sure, you may not want someone to be in power. because it butts up against who you are and what you believe. But if you had the power, you're budding up against other people. And so, it's politics. Someone's going to win and someone's going to lose.

You know, quit bitching that you're losing because you haven't gotten your own elites into position. You know, that's, that should be something that should be, if you understand how politics, works work and you want to be have a say in politics in the future then you need to be raising up your own elites training them getting them into positions doing it quietly and you know and doing that or else you're just you're going to be on your deathbed bitching about how

my ideology was the greatest no one it's just too bad no one ever um no one ever implemented it yeah I think you're absolutely right. This is one of the biggest gripes that I have with our space is there's a lot of people that harp on the problems. And it's not that I need them to go out and do the solutions themselves, but at least encourage people in the right direction, which is gain personal competence, go out, network, build relationships, like be willing, you know, being opt to considerate, but being willing to meet other guys, especially who are local in your area. Clay Martin talks about this, like the power of the internet goes out. you need people in your area. And then, you know, actually start building some projects that are going to have success, especially financial. Like there's a lot of businesses that are going to need to be built, as I was talking about earlier. And then the other point, um, while we're talking about ideology is, I think you're absolutely right.

It's very easy for a lot of us to come into this space and say, here's my ideology. This is what I believe being very authentic about it. And then a lot of people don't realize. there's a lot of these people out there who are saying things not because that's what they believe, but that's because that's what's going to gain them followers or influence or power or, you know, make them money or whatever it is. And you can see the degree to which they aren't following that kind of first principle ideology that they're putting out based on the actions and what they're doing. You know, and I think people shouldn't be super,

about that, people should be aware of it. And to your point, if they want to change that, you know, they have to put in the work themselves because I think the idea that someone's going to come in and save you and just this whole day-ass Machina thing, it's a cope for people not to take their own personal responsibility. And I think that's something we definitely need to get past. There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky,

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Yeah. I mean, basically in my mind, the Harris winning is an acceleration. uh situation so things get worse faster which has already talked about like you know like price controls and all of these things like further bureaucracy further further you know they might make some considerations like they they might slow immigration but i kind of doubt it uh they might just kind of take that posture initially but i think things get worse faster um for your average person I think that that accelerates a competency crisis. I think what you're going to start to see is,

so one of the directions that I think tech is moving regardless is a lot of smart, competent guys, especially white guys, getting kicked out of tech companies, they don't fit the diversity quotas. A lot of times they also want to advocate for doing things better, and that kind of steps on the toes of middle managers who are not there to do work, but to look pretty and yes man and all that kind of stuff.

And so a lot of the competence is draining out of, you know, a lot of different areas. And I think that you're going to see two new types of solutions that. You're going to see people starting smaller companies and then more professionals becoming more of kind of consultants. I think that you're probably also going to see more people trying to avoid taxes, avoid being part of the government. They're going to do things outside of the law,

which I think that that's also kind of inevitable because we're at a point now where being a citizen and paying your taxes isn't really benefiting people. They're extending all of these welfare programs to people who aren't even citizens or rights to people who aren't even citizens. So you're kind of just paying into a system

that's taking from you and hating you. And I think more people are going to get more comfortable with just outright, you know, shirking those, those laws and requirements. And, you know, I wouldn't be surprised we get balkanization. You know, again, I think of like the just kind of the more extreme reactions. And I think we will get there. I've talked to people who are just kind of normie people in my area out here in the PNW. And they're pretty kind of worried about that.

I think it'll be interesting if that in that scenario, where does the tax? athlete go and what do they try to do? I wouldn't be surprised if they're, you know, moving to, you know, different countries where the, those local governments a little bit more sympathetic and allow innovation, especially if you look at like California and the recent legislation trying to limit AI development. If that becomes, you know, if they push that through, a lot of states will also adopt that legislation just because that's generally how a lot of these things go. And I think that you have a real motivating factor for people. to leave the United States and innovate elsewhere.

So pretty grim dark, but I think that it does accelerate people to take a little bit more matters into their own hands. And so maybe you get, you know, these smaller enclaves that are kind of pressured into becoming competent quicker. The alternative, if, you know, Trump wins, the tech elite gets in, which is, I hope we're on that timeline. I feel like we're on that timeline. because to me, the most important thing for them securing that is, as you pointed out, the vote. I think that recently, more recently, Elon's been tweeting a little bit about this, and you're seeing them start to bring this up, like, we need to make sure that the boat looks, your voting machines are legitimate.

I also think you have people who, you know, 2020 rolled around. I think it was obvious to most of us that they stole it. And, you know, but we didn't, you know, we were just kind of waiting like, oh, you know, the system will figure this out or, you know, Trump will do something or whatever. But I think that if they, if that, if they steal it again, I would, I would be very surprised if there wasn't some sort of pushback in some way. On the flip side, even if Trump wins, I think there'll be civil unrest that'll be fomented. and the election will be challenged regardless of which side it goes to. But assuming it goes to Trump, I would hope that he draws on Project 2025 or something similar to very quickly clean house administratively, clean up the bureaucracy. They really need to cut back on those things.

I think that if that does happen, what I am hoping for is that as larger level bureaucracy gets cleared away, that trickles down to the lower level as well. And this is why I'm so keen on encouraging people to build small businesses and networks, because I think that if we are to kind of build these fraternal competency-based networks that are going to have a chance of breeding their own elite, it's going to be at the kind of the small business level, people getting involved in their local communities and states. And hopefully with the removal of a lot of the federal bureaucracy, that becomes more more possible. You know, we talked about industrialization and, you know, building, coming back

to the United States. And so hopefully there's a lot of opportunity for our guys who are kind of forward thinking to jump on that. And yeah, and my hope is that there's just such a tremendous cleaning of house. I think that the offer that they're really giving to Trump is like, hey, you know, be the one giving the barbed murder speeches and be the figurehead, but largely we're going to money. run everything administratively in the background. And we're going to make sure this is done right. And again, I think that the ideology aside, these guys appreciate a well-run company, things going smoothly.

And if they do that, you know, I think things will get better. And, you know, because they have to do things like fix the election systems and on rig it, it makes it easier for us to then subsequently get in later. And I also think that they're going to want to partner with people of competency. Like, you know, you guys were talking about this. Like there is starting to be an overlap between the kind of the tech elite and the distance, you know, the distant right sphere or the, or, you know, whatever. I think of us more of it's kind of like underground philosopher group.

Because I think that they want to find where people who are kind of playing around with these ideas and having these conversations and kind of draw from that. Like there is kind of like a crowdsourceable think tank that exists here. And I think that they they would benefit a lot from tapping into that. So, you know, I'm optimistic that we're on the good timeline where Trump wins and the tech league gets in. I still think that there's going to be escalation leading up to that. I still think that there's going to be civil unrest following it and contention of the

election. But hopefully that clears up bureaucracy that allows more of our guys to build. on a local level, get involved, get appreciated for the competence that they bring. And I think that is the path for us is to build these fraternal competency-based networks because that gives us bargaining power, right? Like you look at all these big companies and where they're really going wrong. It's just they've pushed out all the competence. And if we can kind of use that in our own way as kind of a bargaining chip,

I think that will be our path into, you know, building and securing our own kind of contingent of elite in, you know, whatever that next world order is going to look like. Awesome, man. I think that's a great place to end it. Promote whatever you want. Oh, I appreciate you having me on. So I have a website, just MetaPrime, ZerZ1.com. I have a lot of the evergreen contents.

There's the five steps of the journey and some of the meta strategies that I talk about, things that I think work. I also have a substack. Most of the stuff that's on the website's on the substack. There are some kind of substack exclusive, exclusive stuff. My podcast, the Metacast, is up on the Substack. I think it's also on Spotify, but, you know, I think the substack's great because just the community there is great.

People leave comments. It's kind of mostly where I'm at. Obviously, I have the X account, MetaPriam Zero 1. Again, a lot of my posting is around tech, spirituality, politics, philosophy, that kind of stuff, but hit a little bit of everything. I run a live stream usually on Thursday, uh, in the evenings. And I also do X-spaces on Sunday in the afternoon. Um, live streams, you have lots of different guests on.

Hopefully we get you on at some time Pete to talk. I think, uh, you let, you let me cook a lot, uh, in this. I, I appreciate that. And, uh, you know, I would be kind of curious to, to hear your thoughts as well. Um, and then the space on Sunday, that's more of kind of like, uh, kind of men's group discussion, like get people in, just kind of talk and let off some steam, the other things are going. And then in the background, you know, I am doing the networking stuff. So my goal is to build these fraternal, you know, competency-based networks. A lot of what I try to

do is I've reached that kind of inflection point where a lot of the conversations that all have, it's very easy for me to say, oh, you should definitely talk to so-and-so and, you know, make those connections. And I try to do so as respectable of obsec, possible. It's always anonymous online communication. So, but I do think that this is a necessary part is, you know, starting to get people to meet people. I always offer people, you know, reach out in the DMs. I always respond when I get one. You'd be surprised how few people do because I think a lot of people are, you know, they're either busy or, you know, they don't think that, you know, there's, you know, that people will give them the time or whatever it is. But I found that people who want to get involved in

building locally and reaching out, they're usually pretty happy with pretty happily surprised by the degree of what we're doing on the back end there. So I would definitely encourage people to get involved in the parallel movement, go out, build, do stuff, and that's what all my content's about. So, yeah, I love to see when people engage. All right, man, I appreciate it. Until the next time, take care. Thanks, Pete.