The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1100: A DNC 'On-the-Ground Report' w/ Thomas777 and Arthur R.
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and Arthur. Gentlemen, how are you doing today? I'm well, man. Thanks for, thanks for hosting us.
Yeah, I'm great, Pete. Thanks for having me on. Cool. So, you guys went down to the DNC.
I saw you posted a lot of, a lot of video from it and pictures and stuff like that. And you live to tell the
tale. So who wants to start about, you know, what they, what,
they noticed what what you got out of it and um i sound like like you went to camp or something like
that you know what'd you guys get out of it did you was it a good experience for the both of you
but um yeah either one of you can start talking i'm kind of a clown every day is kind of like
the fucking circus in my life man like you know like that i'm i'm i'm probably okay with
the big thing i noticed and uh i'm going to give it over to tom in a minute i won't talk for long um
I made the point to people
that there was basically
like no presence of Harris supporters on the ground
and people who were obviously
like Harris Schills
started like mobbing some of my platforms
like oh well at a convention that's not
what happens. I'm like no no no no no
like in Chicago
which unfortunately is like ground zero
for like D&C support
it just is okay
um
you get
bodies in the street when something like this happens.
And like Mrs. Clinton, who
was like a dud of a candidate, including
here, like, I mean,
she had like a fucking presence on the ground, okay?
Like, uh,
that's, so like when the DNC
is literally being held here, like,
people telling me like, oh, that doesn't mean anything
that Mrs. Harris's people run on the ground. That's fucking
retarded, okay? That's not how it works.
And secondly,
it's like everybody else was there.
Yeah, these, like, goofy, like,
commies, like guys who actually claim to be
communist. I mean, it's something that goes on here.
You had a bunch of Zionists, like,
Jew counter-protesters there.
You know, you had
these kind of crazy
like social justice types
who weren't really...
I mean, they seemed kind of like, this kind of stuff they were
saying, and like the kind of lit they were handing out.
Like, it didn't really make
any sense. It was like, you know, we're
like LGBTQ people who like
opposes really genocide. I'm like, man, I'm like,
Palestinians hate you fucking people.
you know like they it's like you're not it's like if you you know it's like I'm not gonna like tell you not to if you want to like if you want to be down on Israel and critique the the sort of structure that sustains it but it's like you don't it's like they think that like Palestine is like full of like black people and Israelis are like mean cops or something it's they don't really understand but as Tom will tell you and like if they were here like the other guys and girls were what us I saw all of like two Harris supporters
Like once I was walking to McDonald's
because they needed like across the street in Union Park
Because I needed to take a leak and I needed a bottle of water
I ought to be crude but that's what it was
There was like this obviously
A lesbian couple
And they tried to hand me like a Harris flyer
And I'm like no I'm good
And then uh
We were coming out of the
Billy Go Tavern
Where we went to kind of cool off
At Jason Union Park
This like black lady who looked all
Like really down and out in like a wheelchair
she just like handed us like a flyer and didn't even look at it until like a minute later
and it was like some Harris fucking wood.
That was literally the only presence like Harris's people out on the ground.
I'm not making that off.
If they were like mob deep, I would say that.
Yeah, let Tom talk and give his kind of impressions.
He's the one who's just thought for all that video and footage, by the way.
Yeah.
You know, I went down because, well, obviously I believe I could say,
I'm a nationalist, you know, far writer.
I've been a fan of Thomas for a while,
and every time he posted a meetup, I think, for the past year or so, I've been to it.
He posted one to go to the DNC.
I was like, that sounds interesting.
So I traveled out there, and I had some, I had bought, coincidentally,
I had bought some extra filmmaking equipment, you know, like a tripod,
like a selfie stick that acts as a sort of like a steady cam.
a microphone and a few other things.
It was like, oh, well, while I'm down there, I can help you take footage and pictures and things like that.
Yeah, so, you know, prior to going, I'd remembered in detail the riots that had proceeded from 2014 onwards, really.
But you know, I remember Portland and the Battle of Berkeley and all those other things, the actual riots.
I'm from around New York City.
I remember the riots down there, and I was really prepared for action.
I was like, even if there aren't that many Democrats and Harris supporters out there,
I'm even sure the Soros and Tifa types will be out.
I'm sure there'll be people who are just there to watch the world burn essentially.
So I was prep for action, but so we got down there.
There really wasn't much going on.
There were people there, as Thomas said,
There was this big march the first day we were there and we watched them march past.
I think they had march from the Union Center.
But as soon as I got into the park, they started doing all these speeches on the Philippines and, you know, queer rights and all these other things.
It just didn't make any sense.
There were tons of different groups there.
Everybody's message seemed muddled.
And one of the guys we were with, a friend of ours, him and I actually walked around the Union Center.
We were just looking for this place to meet up with new people.
And that place was locked down.
They're like concrete jersey barriers.
There are fences.
There are all these.
I took a quite funny picture that said,
DNC enter here and then right next to it says,
do not enter.
But even all the,
the DNC participants you passed,
I threw up the hang loose sign to everybody.
It passed just to see what they do.
I think I got like two returns.
One of a friend tried to high five a bunch of,
of them. I think he got like one high five back. Even when you were kind of screwing around,
just, you know, saying kind of wacky stuff just so you get a response. And everybody,
there wasn't even any anger. There was nothing. They just kind of, it was just like joyless apathy,
man. I like it, like the, you know, everybody's, everybody acts like Antifa is like, are like these
bad dudes. Or like they, or it's like 1992, like when you had, you know, when they were
drawing like gang bangers and stuff to like beef up their their depth and stuff and we're like
stomping people out at shows like these guys are complete fucking pussies man and it's like totally
fake and like none of that none of them even fucking showed up i didn't see one dude like people
didn't even talk shit to us and we were like flying like swastikas and shit like it's like you know
like there was some there was like some languid fucking oh get out of here fuck you you're
Nazis, but like nobody
like nobody was doing anything.
You know?
Yeah, there was like, there was some
Palestinian guys or like Muslim guys
who were like in BDUs with like
Hezbollah like badges who were like kind of mean mugging
people and like what pretty serious.
But I mean, they were basically there because it's, there's like this
prayer vigil of like females.
I mean like they were there basically just to like
be seen and like keep people off of like
their people. But like there was no
I
I was getting hit with like all these messages
on, you know, like, social media and stuff, like,
oh, you're going to get, like, your ass kicked.
I'm like, dude, I look at Chicago.
I'm not afraid of, like, fucking in T-Fal.
Like, that's not, like, this scary thing to us.
When those motherfuckers showed up, too,
like, when BLM showed up,
like, people fucking literally, like, threw shots at them.
You know, like, because it's like,
you're not going to invade our hood.
You know, like, that's not happening.
You know, so this idea that, like,
oh, black people and, like, Hispanic just love BLM.
It's like, nobody's into that shit, man.
It's got, like,
I remember my buddy,
our friend who was with us,
here at the point he said,
you know, BLM's like,
entire endowment, like,
disappeared and, like,
nobody even knows where it went.
Like, this isn't, like,
a real organization.
And, like,
one of them ladies,
who they put out front is, like,
the director of BLM,
just in my career NGO person
who's like,
like, there's nothing organic
about this at all.
And there's nothing organic about Antifa.
Like, those guys who,
those guys who,
who, uh,
red house dropped.
Like,
one of them was something,
dude on Bond for like molesting kids.
Like the other guy, he was some
homeless dude and the last
like the last real record
and doing anything got picked up for like beating his wife or something.
It's like homeless dudes and like kiddie touchers.
They're just like showing up in Kenosha.
Like get the fuck out of here.
There's a joke that he could fire three bullets
into a leftist crowd.
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I was in that domestic abuser.
Yeah.
And they're all like, I mean, it's obvious, too.
It's like, what's like when, uh, it's like Kevin McDonnell pointed out in like 2011,
when like the national socialist movement, like guys, nobody'd ever met, nobody'd ever heard of.
There's suddenly just like showing up everywhere with like a news crew.
And it's like, this is the far right.
It's resurgent.
And Kevin McDonald's like, who are these guys?
These guys are just like independently wealthy guys who can fly all over the country without going to work.
And like they just like to dress up in Nazi uniforms.
Like that's their thing.
Are they all millionaires?
You know, it's like, it's like, where these guys are just like random guys or just like going to Kenosha?
Like, why would you go to Kenosha?
Like, you know, like that makes no sense.
So the funny thing about the DNC protests as well is that, sure, everybody had seen that got pretty popular.
Zoran Zoltanis, shout out to him.
He was the guy, he had, he was the one who actually was carrying the Reichs flag,
running around with it, but he was also the dude with the Hezbollah flag outside of the D&C entrance way.
But the whole crew that was there, the thugshakers, as they call themselves,
but like the Nazi, the fascism girl, I think the chick with purple hair,
who just had like the, you know, signs with all the racial slurs on them.
the dude who dressed up
like a stolfo, the anime
character with the Nassval flag
like all those kind of guys
we actually
met up with those guys and on the last day
we were there they had kind of
as a protest or gathering
like a bunch of us myself included
it just started
like going to the middle of the protests like
you know just saying wild stuff
I think even like
I think Thomas posted one of the
videos like the dude
dressed up like the anime character is like yeah
Kamala Harris I want you to molest me and just kind of wild
stuff but like nobody even tried to attack us or stop
us at all like when we started doing that what happened is everybody
bought their cameras out and they started recording
and then they didn't even try to um
yeah then try to stop us put our hands of us and didn't even
shout us down this one of the I don't know if you were there
like our other friend was there
just like obviously like
Jewish lady. She introduced herself. I'm not going to
say her name, but I mean, she had like an obviously
like ethnic surname. I'm not just like thinking
a dick. Like, oh, she looked Jewish.
Not the lady that interviewed you?
Yeah. And she seemed to think they were like
Republicans or something. She's like,
are you proud to be an American? And I'm like,
why would I be proud to be an American? And I'm like,
I got like white pride all day.
You know, I like, I'm proud of some other things
of my life. But, you know,
and she's like, she seemed like shocked.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I, she's like, who you're going to vote
for? I'm like, well, first I'm not going to make the
felon. I can't really vote nationally.
I vote locally to keep, like, you know,
because there's a lot
of machine-type judges who've got to be kept
off the bench. But it's like, it's like,
I was like speaking Chinese or something. You know, it's like,
what do you want to say? Like, go Trump. Like, yeah, I love
JD Biss. Like, Mrs. Harris,
it's a Marxist. Like, what did she think I was going to say?
And I think I was wearing
a British Free Corps shirt and like some crazy
fucking pants, you know, it's not, it's like, okay.
I mean, it's like you look at me and make me for like a
Republican. It's like I, I
Yeah, it was just weird
man. The whole thing was weird. There was also that
like hood black dude
with like a grill in and he had like chains and stuff
just came up and started interviewing.
That was kind of random too. Yeah, yeah.
He's like, yeah. He's like, yeah, can I interview you guys?
And we're like yeah. Like his
his question seemed kind of more like just like run in the middle
like journalism student questions or stuff.
Like that one lady, she was like trying to get me to like say some
crazy stuff. I hate
niggers and Mr. Trump is great.
I don't know what she was going for.
The protests themselves
because that's really where we were at
got super muddled.
Obviously we had the
you'd have like every stripe of
leftists. Our friend
who's familiar with those groups
are joking that like we're not
the revolutionary communists of America
or the revolutionary American communists.
But like we even interviewed a guy
I think a couple of people with like groups.
And they just gave us this kind of boilerplate Trotsky and stuff.
But like the last day we were there,
there was like a couple people who came out who were like,
it's like America firsters or American nationalists.
And they were just like, yeah, we don't support Palestine or Israel.
And we're here for American patriotism and just.
They were just corny.
I thought those guys were like,
they were like trying to get smoke from the.
crowd. I thought those guys were going to get their asses
kicked. Because I remember that one black
guy was with him. Like my one
friend, my friend who was with us,
he's like, you think that guy's like stolen valor?
And I'm looking at him. He was probably
a little younger than me, but he had
he had like an 80th second airborne badge
on. Then he had like a bunch of shit
that like didn't make sense. I think he had like
jump wings on, which made sense. But then he had
like, he had like the force
recon, like fucking like scuba mask or
something and then like a bunch of other shit.
And I'm like, I don't know.
But he was like he was like taunting a bunch of the people and like the crowd they gathered around him and like when they started like moving in
I'm like okay that guy's gonna get fucking stopped he doesn't fucking stop saying that dumb shit
But it was it was weird. Yeah, yeah those guys just like somebody show up like we love America
It's like you're a fucking idiot. Well, yeah, it was uh
And it was like in Congress. It's like what do you? Yeah, it's not even like there was some big mob of like
Like Palestinians like marching and they're like hey fuck you we love America just gotta know where these guys suddenly is like show up and
and uh it's like they you know it's like who exactly you were addressing here man it's like you
i mean it's um not exactly receptive uh receptive a receptive mob that was on the whole thing was like
weird man it was like it was just like weird you know like but it wasn't it what i thought it would
either be i thought there would either be like dnc people and these uh like be o'm and tva types
that got bust in like mob deep or i thought there'd be like nobody there like what there was was like
like I didn't expect it and it was really weird. So besides the the people who are obviously
invited to the convention, they who are, you know, they're there, they're going to be there
no matter what. There's no grassroots whatsoever. There's no one there. There's no fans of Kamala
Harris. There's no fans of Joe Biden. There's no fans of the regime. Whereas, you know, at the, at the
convention, even in in Wisconsin, even if you, or was it Minnesota.
I can't remember where the hell the R&C one was.
Milwaukee, I think.
Yeah, Milwaukee.
You would have had people outside who couldn't get in because, you know, they're not
invited, but they would be there to support Trump.
Well, yeah.
Or there would be protesters there.
Well, I've tried to explain to people, especially these guys.
And look, man, I'm not, I'm very much a dissident, man.
I'm not saying that to pretend like I'm tall for like I get or anything.
like that. It's just like a fact. They don't like engage
with this stuff. I don't index it.
But Kamala Harris
is literally this like random lady.
Like you can't, the way campaigning
works, you basically got to hustle 24-7.
It's like we've got to be your full-time job with no breaks
on Saturdays and Sundays. And you got to do it for years.
So I mean this Harris basically being this like,
people like, oh, but she was a senator.
There's 50 fucking senators. Okay.
Like you've got to, you've got to,
you've got a, you've got to campaign like coast to coast to
at Barnstorm.
You should have been doing this for two years, okay, first of all.
It's not possible you can be invisible,
an invisible vice president like she was,
and then replace the actual nominee months in,
and then suddenly be like polling, you know,
like over 50% in states that like back Trump in 2016.
Like that doesn't happen.
That's not possible.
You know, now granted,
I made the point before my Twitter got exploded.
In 1960, Kennedy was drawing his, like, mass crowds.
Like, a dude was like Mick Jagger.
Like, not to be crude, like, women would literally get, like, excited and, like,
Bernie on.
You know, people would, like, like, girls would be streaming.
You'd have, like, all these, like, everybody from, like, old people to, like,
these, like, tough Irish guys to, like, little kids.
We're like, yeah, we love Kennedy.
And, like, Nixon had show up somewhere, and there'd be basically, like, nobody there.
So, Kennedy's campaign is, like,
This guy's shit.
Nixon doesn't nobody.
Like, don't even worry about it.
But then, come, like, election day, it's, like, a dead heat.
Okay?
And that's why people are convinced, like, Kennedy fixed Chicago, which he probably did.
But my point is, it's like, okay, fine.
You can't always tell by, like, bodies in the street.
But I'm telling you, if Mrs. Harris is, like, this, like, super candidate who without campaigning is, like, drawing, like, all this fucking support and, like, black people, I think she's just great.
you would have had a lot of fucking people on the ground in Chicago,
if nowhere else, you would have had a lot of people on the ground here.
I guarantee you.
Well, even like a more recent example,
your flashback, I think especially to 2016,
even like Bernie Sanders had a lot of on the ground support
from kind of a wide range of the occupied type people kind of saw them as their guy.
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Like, Mrs. Clinton was a terrible candidate, but you still had, like, the diehards, like,
showing up at her campaign stops, you know, and the DNC.
You know, like, it's, it was like, like, her whole campaign was, like, media fakery,
but she did have some actual, like, people on the ground would show up to back her, you know.
I mean, it's Obama, Obama, too.
Like, the 2008 inauguration, like, the most attended inauguration of all time.
well why because Washington DC is overwhelmingly black and everyone showed they all came out and
there was even though he was even though he was a candidate that was set up to be in that spot
he legitimately had grassroots support but also Obama like fake as a sentence he was that dude was
campaigning basically for four years you know like it you started campaigning like the
moment he ran against Bobby Rush here and got beat then he's like
okay, I'm gonna change my little program.
And he basically, yeah, he had advantages because like CNN, MSNBC, you know, back then, like,
legacy media radio.
He gave the keynote to 2004.
Yeah, they, they, they know, 2004 convention.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They, they plugged the shit out of him.
But he also was campaigning nonstop for four years.
Okay.
Like, Mrs. Harris, she can just like, like, like, like, basically like 120 days out, like from the election.
She can just like declare herself a candidate, not campaign, and she's like just like dominating the polls.
That's not possible.
That's not how it works.
Yeah, and we saw in real time that happened.
They were saying, you know, we screwed a little bit with the DNC attendees.
But really what we were trying to do is just to see how they'd react.
And it was just all these low energy people, people just kind of, you know, it was.
We didn't get any violent reactions.
We didn't get any confrontations.
We didn't even get anyone trying to, like, joke along with us or anything.
Everybody just sort of looked away up.
It's like our friend said when he was at the RNC, you know, you got some of the, I guess,
like, loonier, religious, more fringe people there.
And then the Republicans are going up to them and talking to them and being friendly with them.
and then the the dnc to democratic party all those people hate their own guys um
it's just so weird it's very like corporate i mean it's like our friend who like he actually
like was able like procure a press pass so he like penetrated he went into like the dnc at united
center he was like inside like pretending to be like a reporter or a delegate and he said that
like when he talked to people like he he talked to some of his terrorist his people and he said
they were just giving him these like weird like canned answers like this is harris
stands for this you know it's like it was it was like totally like weird and he's like a dude
who's been like like tom just said you know he's a dude who's been around these types of people a
lot you know he was at the rnc like he he's used to being around like capital hill people you know
it's like they these people apparently um these people apparently in the united center like i said
They were just, they were giving these kind of like canned answers that there was kind of like no margin for, I don't even know, like conversation or something, but you said it was very strange.
Yeah.
And there were no young people there as well.
It was all, you know, older, older millennials and older.
There were no, even with Hillary, you had sort of the college sorority sort of backing for.
We didn't, we didn't see any of that.
And kind of another notable, I guess, absence from there.
Didn't really see a lot of Trumpers.
I think of the last day, there were some people at the protests with kind of pro-Israel, pro-Zionists,
maybe more conservative stuff.
We didn't see them.
We didn't see really any Groyper's Thursday, one.
Like I said, America First guy was a little bit goofy.
But, like, as I had mentioned earlier, those big protests in Portland
and California and everything else.
Kind of the main
counter force that was there
were they, you know, they weren't hard and fast
nationalist
or alt-writers or anything like that.
They were like conservative-type dudes
and, you know,
whatever you think about like the proud boys
or something like that? I mean, those guys
obviously aren't...
Chicago's a really weird place in like all kinds
of ways. Like you basically
don't have like...
I mean, you've got like,
You've got, like, cops, and you got, like, white dudes from hoods, like, the clearing and, like,
at Bridgeport and, like, Beverly.
And, like, they, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like,
Donald Trump, but, like, they're not, like, super mega guys.
And, like, they know that, like, this isn't a battleground state anyways.
They're kind of, like, whatever.
Like, you're more likely to actually find, like, a hardline, like, kind of, like,
pro-white guys here than you would, like, Republicans.
It's, like, this don't really exist here.
Like, I try to explain that to people.
Like, you're more, you're, like, walking, like, a bar or,
something in like a white hood and uh
you sat on the bar and like i started telling inward jokes like guys would probably laugh
if they'd be okay with that but like they would they're not guys who like are into the republican
party or like anything like that it's like a weird culture so that's part of it part of why i didn't
see like pro-trunk stuff it was just they can speak you with absence of any like harris stuff
even like uh but they were like totally foobar like i i shouted out on on social media
like they delegates are having to wait like two and three hours to get in the united center
it's like what the fuck's wrong with you this is this is this is this is this venue is like
it's literally a venue made for this sort of thing you know you can't you're not organized enough
to like get people do security in shorter than like three hours like you know then they
apparently much immediate people were mad because you know they divided it between
mccormick place and the united center but that actually i i i guarantee you they did that
for like security purposes and to prevent
like mob to beat like protesters.
But that also meant that like nobody knew
like where the people were they wanted to talk to
and like a bunch of people got like
fucked up information. They like went to McCormick
Place, United Center when they were supposed to be the other
place. Like the whole thing seemed like a big
it seemed like amateur hour.
You know like our buddy said he's like
this is pretty damning. And I'm like
yeah, I think so.
You know like if if um
I guarantee you if there
was like some Trump rally or the R&C
Milwaukee and it was like you had to wait three hours
like that'd be like all in the media like look at these fucking idiots
and they'd be right frankly but that's another point man I mean like I said
you know I can say whatever they want you know basically the entire country is like
is like red territory in terms of the political map you know like Trump does these
rallies all the time you might think those rallies are stupid or like hokey but the point
is if you want to see Donald Trump you can see him like basically
basically anywhere in the country.
Like, how the fuck do even, like, go see Mrs. Harris?
I guess you, like, wait for three hours outside the United Center, and you can, but, like, that's it.
I mean, it's like, you can't, you know, I, you can't, like, tell me that, like, some kind of campaign is being made out of this of a legitimate sort.
You know, you've got to really hustle to get people to go to the polls, you know.
there's all this kind of evidence
there aren't elections anymore
you know because like they
they don't care because why would
they because we're not going to hold an election
so you know all that matters is
all that matters is perception
of maybe like you know
a third of the country who's like actually
like you know
capable and engaged enough
to
to do something
you know if they decide
they're not going to
they're not going to
you know
recognize the sovereignty of the state
anymore. You know, it's like,
but all you're going to do basically is like sell it
is like good enough. Like, oh, you know,
it plants some kind of doubt in people's minds. Like, you know,
maybe Mrs. Harris carried this election.
That's what I did to California, man. That's what I was
shouting out. You didn't.
California didn't like one day
go from being like the Republican
heartland to like, oh, now
it's a permanently saved blue state
because of Mexicans. That's not how things work.
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No, this is not. It's ridiculous.
Well, you know, one of the other things, oh, I'm sorry, one of the other things about, you know, Harris is, like, they have this interview that's coming up where she's not going to be interviewed alone and, you know, the, the gay dad vice president hopeful is going to be with her.
You know, so that basically he can interrupt when she can't answer a question.
And I mean, there's no, you know, and we talk about this all the time.
There's no policy there.
We, I was talking to a friend of mine today, and he was saying how he, one of his, like,
like he has a cousin who's a lesbian and her lesbian, or like, oh, we're voting for Kamala.
And he's like, well, why?
What does she stand for that you're voting?
You know, what policies is it?
And she's like, well, no, you know, I'll feel safer.
being gay and it's like well that's not a policy what do you know what does she stand for
well it's also i i tried to point out to people and they they don't believe me but i'm like look
they're like no this was the obama's like wanted to run this ethnic lady so they they set up to
bide were failing i'm like that's not what happened man like basically Biden was so fucked up
like he couldn't carry it and when they finally realized that they're like fuck
they guarantee you they went to somebody like gave a news and they're like you're gonna run he's like
Nope, I'm not doing it.
So who they got?
Yeah.
Who they got?
I mean, I recall during the 2020 election when Kamala Harris put up her actual presidential ticket,
she was basically laughed off stage.
I thought it was weird at the time.
And I really don't know deep Washington politics or anything like that.
I thought it was weird.
She was a weird pick for vice president.
No, the whole thing is strange.
Like her whole assentancy is strange.
But I guarantee you this wasn't some like Machiavellian operation by the,
Obama is to like humiliate Joe Biden and run this like random lady who can't complete an interview
without looking like a moron. That's not, this was, this is them late. That's like saying that like,
you know, the Soviet Union made Cherinenko look crazy so then they could put Gorbache off in there.
It's, it's like some things are what they appear, man. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you, man,
like the guys, like the like the money guys who like fund all this shit, they were beside themselves
that like they could not get somebody other than Mrs. Harris.
to fucking take up the slag.
Okay? Like, it doesn't matter, because they're going to
fix it anyway. But they're like, I guarantee
they're looking at this shit, like, this is fucking
ridiculous.
You know, like,
um, yeah,
it's a problem.
You know, it's, uh...
I think part of the reason that the things were so low energy
in that, uh,
Ms. Harris didn't have
any on the ground supported because they don't, they don't want,
they don't want to draw attention to her.
I think, like, the best they've done is,
try and forth through like a couple
you know terrible pop culture
tech talk memes
I mean some people
think even in our sphere have
made that out to be a lot more than it is
like what they were banking on
and what you could kind of get for Joe Biden
and I heard people talk about this both
you know in the media
and in real life is that Joe Biden
kind of represents return to normalcy
as stupid as that is
but you know what
but Kamala Harris doesn't represent anything.
And Tim Walts doesn't represent anything.
I looked into him a little bit.
He was so weird to fuck pick, too, man.
Like, he, I mean, honestly, like, Vance was a bad pick for Trump.
I know that makes people mad because they, like, Vance is their, like, fantasy boyfriend,
despite the fact he's terrible.
But, like, I guarantee you, Trump, like, like, like, Vance is Teal's guy.
Like, literally, like, he had Teal, like, are, like, thick as thieves.
Like, Teal gave him a job, like, this no work job with one of his fucking hedge funds.
like teal is basically
teal is the vanse with like carl icon
is the trump he's like it's like surrogate dead
so teal says to trump you're gonna take this guy
as you're fucking running mate
you know that's just how it is
so i mean trump end no choice
okay um
Kamala's people did have a choice
but they're so goofy
they think that like walls is like some guy
like yeah see like white people like him because he's a white guy
like they don't get that like there's real problems here
and like minnesota
yeah they're a weird play with
culture, man. And like even if, even if Wall's
had like more charisma and wasn't just like
this kind of
cringe, you know, like old guy,
you know, it's not,
the stuff that indexes with them
is not going to index like the rest of the
country. You know, so it's like
they don't, that's kind of like
their desperate attempt to be like, no, see, this is actually
a normal ticket. But yeah,
you're absolutely right. They don't want to draw attention
to Mrs. Harris. And like the entirety
of the campaign, it's just
like, whether I want to or not, I get
It's like this fucking, uh, cricket wireless.
I love it because it's like so cheap.
But like, I get these like aggregate news alerts on my phone, whether I want them or not.
Like, I don't, and CNN MSNBC is like not a single thing about this is who Kamala Harris is.
This is like her baggones.
Like, Donald Trump said this.
Donald Trump hates veterans.
Donald Trump is doing this.
Like you never get any kind of cap about like, oh, Kamala Harris like worked with the blind kids or she's like really smart.
Or her husband's like a great guy.
It's like nothing, nothing.
You know, it's not, it's not a campaign.
like even in even in kind of like the lame like post-COVID sons or post-lockdown
sense you know well the um i think part of the reason that they're having so much
trouble as well as the uh the democratic party and the mainstream left really went all in on
the woke stuff if you want to term it that and anybody even if they were to run like a tulsi
gabbard or an rfk junior or even a bernie sanders he's not a good choice at this point
either, but you know, he still has some appeal to people.
If you run someone like that, they're inherently too white.
They're inherently too conservative just by the fact that they're not out and out freaks.
You can run a Kamala Harris or Tim Walz because they really don't believe anything.
You can kind of paint over them whatever you want exactly.
If you're, I feel like a homosexual or some urbanite woman that loves abortion,
Kamala Harris is your candidate because you can just project that onto her.
Yeah, it's like a tabula rasa.
Well, it's also, I mean, I make the point all the time, you know,
that the Republicans, after November 9, 1989, they had nothing.
Because after Taft got, and the America first wing, like,
for all practical purposes, like, rendered, like, illegal.
Like, all the Republicans had was they were, like,
the Cold War Hawk Party.
You know, they were a Cold War Hawk Party,
and they were the party basically, like, the supply siders.
Well, when supply sider stuff became, like, the norm,
you know, under Reagan and like a Cold War ended,
like, Republicans don't have anything.
Like, they just don't have a platform.
I think that point, because, like, people insist
that, like, I'm just, like, misreading this, and there actually
is, like, a mainstream right. I mean, there's not,
there's not, like, a mainstream left either.
You know, it's like, you've got,
like, they're, uh,
you know, they've got, like, what was it,
the countermajoritarian grievance,
uh, ideology.
But you need, like, more than that.
You know, like, you need, like, the Democrats
actually, like, they're, like,
you need like an industrial
laboring class to like have a labor
party. Like that's why it's ridiculous.
Like the British call it party like labor. Like why
is it labor? Like that makes it much
it's having like the monarchist party.
You know, so like it's Democrats as like the American
like party of labor. It's like
well like what are you guys? You know like
oh we're we're the party of
like oppressed black people
and LGBTQ. Okay fine. You can't build
a mandate out of that. You're talking about like
15% of the national population.
You know what?
that doesn't work.
What's really interesting is with all the manufacturing getting shipped overseas,
I mean, it basically destroyed labor unions in this country.
And labor unions used to be huge in the elections.
And it really seems now without that labor, I mean, and that was for decades.
And decades, it was about labor unions and appealing to labor unions.
And now it seems like when you, you have to replace.
that with something like the woke or you have to replace it with some kind of some kind of ideology
that takes its place where you the people you can gather people to and organize people to and
nothing is going to work as well as organized labor would well it's also the entire i mean the entire
paradigm is like obsolescent you know it's not just that like yeah you're absolutely right it's not just
like the, it's not, it's not like the establishment, like the establishment
duopoly parties, you know, have like no reason with debt for anymore. Like the
state is structured. I mean, it's basically structured to fight the Cold War and not
do much else. You know, it's like they make a big deal. Like I, the big news story, you
know, like the US Navy has like a staggering like 14 aircraft carriers. And they were
like on the, they ran MSNBC and um, ran the story that,
went like semi-viral among like mainstream like republican goofballs but like oh the navy can't
meet its recruiting goals to like staff like all of its uh you know all of its ships and it's like
why do these ships exist like you're gonna you're gonna fight the imaginary Soviet Union you're
gonna have you're gonna fight some like imaginary surface warfare engagement against the chinese
navy that doesn't actually exist you know it's like if people like oh don't don't
don't just support the military I'm like to do what
you know like this idea that like you need like this idea that you need like a million people in uniform
you know you need like aircraft carriers and every ocean that's like that's not normal like that's
you know like the 44 years in the cold war like yeah you need like a force structure that emphasizes
readiness and death this idea that that's just something you need always like that's that's bizarre
you know
and like yeah
and I mean this is one example
but like the idea that
the government has structured
just like must keep existing
you know it's like one of these
I mean federal law enforcement
had nothing to do after the Cold War
you know the FBI's main job it's not to like
it's not to shake down like Italian
guys like pushing heroin in some like
shithole like Brooklyn Italian ghetto
like his job is
kept a counterintelligence and to suss out
the KGB the GRIE's president
in the United States.
It's not like arrest guys for like
shaking down trap houses and like terrorized
outfit guys. I mean that's
what it does now. I mean like that's
you know like why do you
really? Yeah, go ahead.
And like
in their regard I mean American foreign
policy is collapsing all over
the war in Ukraine and the
Israeli Gaza
massacre
and even going back to the war
in Afghanistan is kind of
the war in Syria, the migration crisis,
having all these countries collapse within our sphere of influence
in South America and all over the place.
Clearly nobody's buying with the United States
is selling anymore, and you don't have a Soviet Union
to point out and say, look, you can side with us, you can side with them.
Plenty of people, and Rex and everyone else has proved this.
There's plenty of people view the Russians and the Chinese
as a much better option.
and then they're correct to you.
Well, they also, people don't understand.
I talk to my dad about this.
You know, a place like Russia and China, like,
if you're America still,
even if it's kind of a potent village economically,
Americans are still, like, ridiculously rich,
like, compared to everybody else on this planet.
Like, even, like, poor people,
you can get, like, a link card
and you can get, like, a credit card,
like, a $5,000 women.
You can just, like, pull free money out of the air,
even if you're a bump.
Okay?
Like, Russia and China,
they actually
like bad as some things might be there
those people live better than like 90% of this planet
so if you're some guy in Africa
or some guy in Venezuela
or some guy
you know in like Laos
you look at like China like
that's like the Emerald City in Oz
or something you look like Russia like hey man
Russia is like a world power like that's
you know they got technology and they got
like all the stuff
you know like you think that that's like
insanely insane fucking wealth and plenty you know like it's not people are really really
provincial here they think like everywhere is like chicago or l.A. or like new york city it's not at
all like that and like the only majority of this planet i think what's the what's the statistic
like something like um i think like 600 million people like live on like three dollars a day
and there's like a billion people that live on like a dollar 50 a day and then
That's like normal.
Like, think about that.
So, yeah, this idea that, like,
this idea that, like, oh, it's crazy to think that, you know,
these people in the underdeveloped world,
they were kind of a permanently,
what used to be called the third world,
that they'd be like, oh, they'd never wanted anything to do with China or Russia.
It's like, what are you talking about?
And like a Chinese or like a Muscovite, like garment guy,
shows up in Africa.
That guy, that guy's like a baller.
You know, like Pete, the natives there,
look at that guy.
this guy's ridiculous. He's got like,
he's got a brand new, like, fucking Tesla he's
driving around in. He's got like endless money.
You know, he's got like endless fucking guns
and ammo. Like, it's, it's, it's
crazy to them. You know, like, I don't know why. People can't
get their mind around it.
Plus, if you side with, you're
deciding with Russia and China, they're not going to try
and socially engineer you out of existence.
As I tried to do
with the Taliban and
Afghanistan made their choice.
And, you know, they
stayed with stuff too. I mean,
You're absolutely right.
Like, my buddy, I'm not going to name up, but I told him that dude, he was like in the Marine Corps.
He was an infantry officer, and then he went to naval intelligence.
He told me that in Afghanistan, he was in Afghanistan, he was in Africa.
And he's like, they're literally following this like 1963, like, Cold War playbook where it's like,
we're going to train indigenous forces with our values.
I'm like, to do what?
Like, are they fighting, like, the imaginary Viet Cong or, like, the communists trying to sway them to
their side? What are you training these people to do? It's like I totally get it. If you want
like a forward deployment in Afghanistan, especially considering what I think by mid-century is
going to be like a real kind of hot conflict between the United States, the Russian Federation,
China, you know, places like Kazakhstan are going to be very significant in this kind of contest.
So I get it. You want like a forward deployment in Afghanistan? Like, why are you training the Afghan
National Army? That makes literally no fucking sense. That's like militarily assonite.
you know, like you don't,
you don't train indigenous forces
to fight the communists in the absence of the communists.
You know, you just deploy there
and you buy off if you have to buy off
in order to like make sure things run smoothly.
You do things like the British Empire did.
The British Empire didn't train indigenous forces
against imaginary ops.
They said, we're going to be here.
It's like the cartels.
It's like the Spanish, like,
I don't know, like adage or something.
It's like, you can,
can either have like it's like you can have my silver you can have my steel you can take my money
or i'm going to cut you to pieces if you won't cooperate like that's basically how you handle like imperial
foreign policy in a place like Afghanistan it's like we're going to be here we're going to deploy
in relative depth you can get rich from this or you can have a problem you know like why why why
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You know, it's, when you were mentioning this military, this Cold War military,
I remember back in like 2007 when Ron Paul was running and he was up on the debate stage.
And he had made the comment.
He's like, we need like six submarines.
We need like three submarines in the Atlantic, three submarines in the Pacific.
And we have our missile system.
What else do we need?
That's it.
And every cold warrior was like screaming, you know,
screaming about how the Muslims were going to come here and everything.
If what, if we don't have 14 aircraft carriers?
I mean, like, even if it's like, what's also like Michael Schoier said, like, even if you accept,
I mean, obviously I don't, but even if you accept the Islamic world is some kind of like op.
It's like, okay, obviously the way you'd handle that is you'd basically like exclude Islamic integration and like close the southern border.
Like you wouldn't build like dozens of aircraft carriers and pretend that, you know, we're, we, and pretend that, you know, we need, we need like the F-22 in the joint strike fight or otherwise.
like we're going to get worked by
by some kind of Soviet aircraft
that renders it obsolete. Like I
like even if that was true it's like okay
so why why you're preparing to basically
wage like a combined arms conventional
war
you know
with these platforms that
haven't been viable in decades.
I mean I also think it's also that
go ahead I'm sorry
I know the Zionist narrative that
would back up anything like that
other against the Russians or Chinese or the
Islamic world. I mean, that's collapsing
in itself in real time.
As we saw, like,
all those protests on the DNC, the crux of
them was the Israel-Palestine
issue. There is no
going outside and declaring yourself
as this big,
you know, Zionist warrior
for Israel and Christian America
has no sway now.
With anybody right, right, left, or
center. No, that is a huge
sea change, man, because like when I was
I realized
I don't want to sound like some old guy to say,
I'm like, you should appreciate what you have today.
Like, I mean, there is some truth to that, man.
Like, especially, like, when younger guys, like, weren't alive then.
They're like, you know what you're talking about?
It's not like when you were young.
It's so bad now.
I'm like, bro, people fucking, people hated us, man.
And, like, 30 years ago.
And the only 90s, if you're like a white dude,
he's like, yeah, I'm pro white.
Like, in Chicago,
if you went, like I said,
if you went to a place like Bridgeport or Beverly,
yeah, some guys would be like, okay, bro, I am too.
Like, on the open street, people look at you like, you're a fucking scumbag.
And, like, you basically couldn't go to, like, 70% of the city
because it's like you'd get stomped out and people would accept it.
And it's your fault.
Like, why you're fucking around in a non-white hood.
You were asking for it.
Like, nobody would talk that way now.
You know, like, even here.
Like, nobody would talk that way.
You know, it's like, basically,
they expect, like, basically, if you're like a white dude, it's, like, expected you at least
kind of like Donald Trump, and, like, you probably have, like, right-wing ideas of some
sort. And people, it's just, like, that's the way it is. You know, and, like, basically,
you're looked at, like, a weirdo or, like, corny if, like, you like Israel. Like, whether
you're, like, right or left, like, nobody likes Israel. Like, 30 years ago, people would say,
like, you're, like, a piece of shit. Like, how dare you say about Israel? They're, like,
our only friends, you know, like, nobody talks that way now, man. Like, nobody. And if you
do, you're viewed as like some corny weirdo.
You know, it's like, I want to accept that like,
things are so bad now when people used to be based.
Like, that's not remotely the way shit is.
Like, it's literally like an odd with reality.
You know, and like I say, like, I,
I don't plan to be, like, super worldly, but,
I mean, I do spend, like, half the year traveling around.
And, like, I basically spend my day, like, walking around a metro area of
five million people.
I mean, I think I know something, man.
Like, I don't, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's like night and day compared to 30 years ago today, you know.
And I mean, too, like people, like this, like election fakery is not something new.
It goes back to 1992, okay?
That was probably the last time there was like real, like presidential election, you know, and like with people like voting and votes being tallied and that outcome being
honored. And, you know, like I said, like after that, it was just like horse trading as
like what party and what, what, you know, kind of aggregate interest. Okay, you get this state,
we get that state, you get this, we get that. You know, I, so it's not, you can't convince me
that, like, things are terrible now when, like, they were better like 30 years ago, or even 20
years ago, man. I mean, like, even, I remember even here, where, like, people here, like, hated Bush
43.
Like I think first 23 was like a very bad guy, but I don't know how like Normies get like excitedly like angry with him.
I mean, it was kind of like a cipher.
But even so, I remember like saying like the Iraq war is like really fucked up.
But people be like, hey, don't you say that man.
You know, you remember like people spitting on troops coming back from now.
You don't criticize this when we're at war.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
You know, it's like now we can't like say that like this is fucked up.
Like, but that's the way people were, man.
You know, don't you remember 9-11 motherfucker?
like that that's got a stuff like her okay
like out and about it be not like internet
idiots so that's that's nothing like
today
yeah and I the that that's sort of like
support the troops
you know cult of 9-11 type stuff
and you know Israel is
based because they fight the commies
and then Israel is based because
they fight the Muslims and nobody believes it anymore
it's been proven in real time that
those
A that those ventures were
not legitimate and
be that they fail.
Ukraine's the best example. That's a
Zionist, American
imperialist war that failed
in real time. And you
can't even hide it anymore. You can't even say that
you know,
Ukraine's going to win and they're this like
you know, for our guys,
it's like based white country
or kind of for the mainstream that
they're this, you know,
small nation that was unfairly
attacked.
You can say, you know, all you can say now,
is that
you know the
Ukrainians are foolish and
they made the wrong choice and
there is that other meme that
Zelensky joins the
hall of American allies
up in heaven. People see right through
this stuff. Well it's also too
I mean I make the point to people and especially
I mean guys were supposedly
like on our side
although I question that a lot
um
there's not like this isn't
1980. There's not like
two basic like forms
of government that dominate and then like
a dozen kind of like minor like
iterations. There's only like one form of government.
You know like despite what the state
Nord says about like Russia, like Russia
is organized basically exactly like
America is. It's got like
different political values obviously, but
there's not there's not like
this mass diversity of like forms
of government. There's like one form of government.
And that's it. Okay.
Like globalism changed everything.
the Cold War was the
like the war to decide like what
foreign globalism would take.
So like people talking about like, oh, the left is going to win.
It's like there's not like a left anymore.
There's not like a right anymore.
Like not in like officialdom, I mean.
Like that's not the way things work.
You know, like you're either like for the regime
or you're against it.
Like right wing people are against it.
Okay. Like Russia is against it.
China's against it. Darryl Islam is against it.
There's like outliers like Syria that, yeah,
they're part of Darul Islam, but like their
control group, like, you're not looking like that
like as Christians and Aloites.
But I mean, the point is that
like, if you're like,
well, you're a dick because like you hate
JD Vance because otherwise the left
wing wind, it's like there's not a right
and a left wing. It's not like that.
I think Trump's important for historical
reasons
and psychological, symbolic ones.
But like even Trump, like
he's not, Trump's not this like ideological
guy. He was going to like
you know, and if you don't vote for him, like, you know, the left wing wins and then everything changes.
This is not the 80s. That's not how it works.
And I'm not just, I'm not just like dropping bullshit or like abstract, like, political theory knowledge and trying to make it,
trying to beat people over the head with it. I mean, it's obvious. It's in practical terms,
this is the way things are organized. So people got to drop this idea that, like, you know,
this is the West and these are sovereign countries and it's like the right wing traditional
party versus like the labor radical party and we've got to stop them from winning votes or
that changes the paradigm that's not at all that's not really true that's 30 years that's that's
35 years out of date well i got to um i got a roll so um i appreciate the talk guys um
Tom
Thomas do plugs
Yeah man
Thomas do plugs
Yeah my Twitter got
Nuked which is something that happens to us
So that's why you can't find me on Twitter
You can find me on Substack
Real Thomas 7777.com
You can find me my website
Number 7777.com
I'm on T-Gram, I'm on Instagram
I'm on Instagram
I'm gonna start doing more
like podcasting and more video stuff
and try and fuck with social media
less frankly like I need a break
anyway but that's where I'm at
Arthur you got anything to plug
except what do you got
yeah actually I'm on
Twitter and subsec as well
actually if you subscribe to Thomas's
Subsec I'm one of his recommended journals
I don't have a lot on there right now but I'm
working on stuff you'll see more stuff in the coming weeks and months
you can follow me on Twitter as well
Arthur underscore Roombot, same way it's spelled on screen.
Three, that's me.
Find me on YouTube.
Again, Arthur, Rimbaud.
Like I said, I don't have a ton at the moment,
but I definitely have more coming down the pipeline.
And you can come hang out with Arthur in my chat on my Sunday live streams.
Yeah, I'm usually there as well.
All right, gentlemen, I appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, people.
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