The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1101: Virginia IS American Culture w/ Paul Fahrenheidt
Episode Date: September 4, 202470 MinutesPG-13Paul Fahrenheidt is a husband, father, podcaster, writer, and founding member of the Old Glory Club.Paul joins Pete to talk about why Virginia has always been the center of America's hi...gh culture.A Country Squire's NotebookOld Glory Club YouTube ChannelOld Glory Club SubstackPaul's SubstackPaul on TwitterPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.
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I want to welcome everyone back to The Peking Yon-No show. Paul Fahrenheit's back. How you know,
Paul. Very well, Mr. Pete. Thank you again for having me back on, and we're taking a little
break from the Spain series today to talk about something else. Yeah, so I guess this started
with Yaqui, you know, reading Yaqui and talking about Yaqui on the show with you mostly.
We talk about high culture, and Yaki claims that the United States can't have a high
culture because they're a colony.
So then you start asking that question.
You start thinking about that.
And you're like, all right, well, did we have a high culture?
And you ask people and people, some people have no idea what you're talking about because,
you know, what the hell is a high culture?
You know, and then, you know, asked Thomas about that on an episode that we did where we just
took a break and hit a bunch of different subjects.
And he said, yeah, America's high culture was in the South.
and then you contacted me and you were like, you know, that's interesting.
It's good to hear Thomas say that.
Then I had John Harrison talking about, you know, Virginia first, the 1607 project.
And that's when you reached out and you said, yeah, it was in the South, but America's high culture was in Virginia, or was Virginia, is Virginia if there's that B1 in the future.
So I guess that's a little bit of a setup that'll, I'll let you just run and I'll interrupt
when I have a comment.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And, you know, before I contacted you, I texted Thomas about it actually.
And he, you know, because he followed up that comment saying it was in the South.
He said, although as much as you could say Virginia is in the South.
And I said to Thomas, I'm like, so Virginia, I wanted to clarify and I asked him, well, is Virginia the high culture?
you said, yeah, that's basically what I was saying.
You know, the South was kind of a later iteration of what happened in Virginia.
And I think, and this answered this question that's been sitting on my mind for a very long time.
Because, and yeah, and also that John Harris episode, very, very good.
I enjoyed it.
I then watched the whole, the 1607 Project Virginia First documentary,
which I think raised a lot of interesting points.
And I have my disagreements with the Abbeville Institute, but I think that was a very well-done documentary,
and I think everyone should go and watch it if they can spare about an hour and 30 minutes.
I think it's really well put together, and to buy the book and read it.
I read a couple of the essays from it.
And also that essay, that one particular essay, the first one, that it gets the name from Virginia First,
which was written by Lion Gardner Tyler.
I might quote from it a couple of times.
from it in the documentary as well over the course of this stream but basically you know i
talked to thomas i listened to this john harris episode i watched the virginia first project and i
thought about you know i you know mr pete i've been writing this american mythos i wrote a country squire's
notebook um about a think about a little bit over a year ago um that was like this first little
installment of it not all took takes place in virginia it's little short stories of virginia and
i call that the first installment of the american mythos but it's a little bit of the
set in Virginia. And I think it's because my instincts kind of felt around this sort of vein.
Obviously, you know, you come in, the horse you ride in on is the horse you ride in on and,
you know, and Spengler and Yaki's idea of a high culture of what it is, of what it constitutes,
is, you know, is how I've begun. And so I started thinking to myself as like, well, you know,
Homer almost invented the Greeks with the Odyssey and the Iliad.
He invented the Hellenes, and those were their founding texts.
Those were their canon, the Iliad and the Odyssey.
And the mythology kind of fell under that.
But he took that from the components, which pre-existed it.
The component parts of the Hellenes pre-existed Homer.
It's just as a self-conscious civilization, which, by the way, was the first inheritors of the message of Christ after the Hebrews who converted.
And so very clearly, God had a significant plan for that civilization for the Greeks.
He wanted them to develop as a culture because it's what the New Testament was, I believe, was first written in, between some Aramaic as well.
But that's, and so that kind of shows God, you know, history is that was it, the study of history is the study of the genius of God in history, as Thomas says.
And so, you know, I don't assume, unlike a lot of people, I don't actually believe history has ended.
I don't actually believe the Eschaton is upon us, which means, of course, that we are going to have to ask ourselves the very hard and difficult questions of what kind of future do we want to set up.
now while we have this media outreach while we have this this access to all of this
information to all of these texts to start learning old ideas and trying to
to reconstitute you know a novel idea is always an attempted reconstitution of an
older lost idea um and this is this is you know i could i believe that such is necessary for
the civilization that currently inhabits the north american continent uh south of canada
north of Mexico.
And which kind of brings me to the sort of, you know, before I say the thing, I have to say
it is not, right?
The United States, everyone kind of understands the United States is a legal title, right?
The United States of America, that's a legal title.
It doesn't really necessarily describe.
And even if at one point it did, it's kind of, I think the mental tech.
is too tied up within propositional nationhood, which by the way, has a grain of truth.
There is a grain of truth in the concept of nations being ideas, you know.
England wasn't England until you put the Anglo-Saxons there and then you put the Normans there,
and then it became, it was cultivated into being England.
Does that make sense, Mr. Pete?
You know, that was what the people had within them that they then project.
it outward onto their, onto their land and the land fed back to them.
And does that make sense?
Or am I, you know, playing with too much leftism?
No, the culture has to evolve.
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, it absolutely does.
And the culture, but it also kind of comes from, it's a feedback loop.
It has an initial initiating point with, you know, internally within the people.
As the English demonstrated, if you pick up Englishmen and put them in South Africa,
or you put them in Australia or you put them in New Zealand or you put them on the North American continent,
even in a place like Canada versus a place like, you know, what the United States would then become,
they attempt to replicate what they had before, but altered, right?
Altered to fit.
They try to build the same institutions that give them the same rights,
but they make them idiosyncratically focused on the particular region or local.
cow or land that they find themselves in um so there is you know so anyway but but the problem is
with the united states and i think that the united states has has i mean every so often the united
states has identity crises and every time we come up with a possible solution um you know it it
unless it's the right solution, it isn't solved.
And I've found unsatisfying the variety of answers that have been put forth.
Obviously, everyone agrees that, you know, America is not just this propositional nation.
Everyone who loves freedom isn't an American, can't be an American.
That's a complete desiccation of the concept.
And it's actually completely separate from what was attempted to be founded.
But if you go prior to that,
If you go before that, the United States is this sort of like, you know, white man's republic between north and south, this grand unity around the capital P progressive era.
I also find this deeply unsatisfying because that's just a picture of the 19th century.
Everyone was talking like that in the 19th century.
Now, that's a lot more genuine for Australia, which was founded kind of at that Victorian.
But one of the contentions I've always had, Mr. Pete, is that institutions and a race is an institution, a tribe is an institution.
Just because it is joined by blood, it is also an institution, are snapshots of their founding.
Do you agree or disagree?
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Yes.
Yeah, they have to be.
Yeah, they have to be.
Precisely.
And that's why Irish nationalism is so stupid and like fake.
And everyone kind of doesn't like it because it was a snapshot of the era it was founded.
It was founded at like the high watermark of leftism.
And like you can't really separate this idea of Irish nationalism from basically democratic socialism.
It's the same thing with Basque nationalism.
Although, you know, the Basques, you know, it's more so that the nationalism part rather than the Basque identity.
um but like what was it like like um you know england the although england's very old um but england
england has always kind of been the snapshot of like the magna carta that's kind of like
always the snapshot of really when it's like you know the king is balanced off by his by his parliament
king and parliament that's been that's always been england you know forever at least that's the idea um
Germany, you know, is a very 19th century nation because it was founded in, in the blood and iron of the 19th century. And even to this day, it still has many 19th century ideas. But the United States, isn't exactly, because the thing is, like, I think we get the founding wrong. We get the founding wrong. It's not, the United States is not a snapshot of necessarily 1776, although,
you know, that's that's kind of how it has been conceived. Like even before that, right, even before
the white man's republic, you had prior to that, you had the sort of the, you know, like the gilded
age of, you know, the, it wasn't the triumph of radical republicanism, but it was like sort of
America, America is this sort of, you know, nascent industrial power and it's hard, it's hard to
kind of go through these various conceptions of America's identity through time, because prior
to the gilded age, it was like the radical, rabid reconstructionism of, you know, America is the
place for the, for us to uplift the, um, a benighted Negro from his condition. And then prior
to that, America, even prior to the civil war, America was the, um, you know, the Republic of,
of, you know, whether it was Andrew Jackson or, or, yeah, you know, the Jacksonian
Republic. And then prior to the Jacksonian Republic, America was kind of this, you know,
Washingtonian vision, you know. And so this this all you can track this throughout time is like
these different conceptions of identity. All right. And I think the problem with all of them
are that they get the founding date wrong. The founding date of the United States, of English
speaking settlement within what currently fills the the, currently fills the the, the, the
borders of the United States right now was sixth. There was an there was almost 200 years of
history which is almost a whole civilizational cycle at least like like one of John
John Glob cycles you know that's that's 75 years shy of a cycle you know of of
before just from 1607 to 1776 you know Mr. Pete you know the first time independence from
Great Britain was discussed in an English-speaking colony in North America.
I'm thinking 1600s, but tell me.
1615.
John Rolf, who was the first planter of tobacco in the Jamestown colony, I think this is,
this is, you know, after I think the starving times or, or some, it was terrible to live
in Jamestown for the first, you know, couple of decades.
It was not, it was not a good place to be.
There's a reason Virginia was founded by mercenaries and prostitutes.
Because those are the only people who you can send to the fringes, frankly.
Those are the only people who are made to survive there.
And today, when the problem with today, by the way, isn't so much that their, you know, countries have ceased to exist, but rather everywhere has become a border.
The core has been destroyed, you know, and that's why everyone is kind of acting like a mercenary or a prostitute is because
those are the only attitudes that can survive in a borderland.
You know,
everywhere is a border.
You know, Mr. Pete,
when they said Trump's campaign,
every state is now a border state,
I think that hit on a metaphysical reality.
Everywhere is now a border because there's no center.
There's no core.
There's no source that anyone can draw from.
It's just everything is kind of left to its own devices.
But,
and by the way, this is why I think,
I made this thread about this.
I think the metaphysical spirit of the,
ages is reinforcing borders that's the heroic struggle is enforcing boundaries of any kind right
and and when you enforce boundaries you necessarily create a core that you are enforcing the
boundaries of um and that's why i think we're here today so the the first time independence from
great britain was discussed was in 1615 when john ralph i think he was i think that the british
were trying to levy attacks on tobacco um which had literally just like like not even
Mr. Pete, 10 years after Jamestown has founded, we have a recorded instance of a prominent
notable talking about the idea of dissolution of union with England.
This America, America, I've said this before, but I believe, and I don't even think,
I don't even think the word America is sufficient to speak of the specificity of
Anglo civilization on the North American continent, all right? Because if you say
Anglo civilization and also Anglo civilization on the North American continent. That's also not
sufficient because Canada's right there. Canada is a distinct place with a distinct slightly
different set of customs from the United States. You know, yes, they speak the same language. Yes,
they are, you know, similar, but they're not the same. You know, I go up to Canada and it's a
whole different place. Canadians come down here and it's a whole different place. You know, even the
difference between somewhere like Newfoundland and Nova Scotia and like, you know, and Alberta.
And so that's the thing, right? You know, those are, these are, these are slightly, you know,
but those are both part of the broader Anglo civilization alongside Australia and New Zealand and
the Cape Anglos in South Africa and even, even the English and in, in Great Britain,
and the Scottish and the Irish and the Welsh and the Ulsterman and, you know,
and am I, am I forgetting any English colonies?
I think that's all of them.
But, but this is like all of this is under, you know, what's called the Anglosphere
is under the broad umbrella of Anglo civilization.
But then you get down to the specifics.
New Zealand, despite being very small, no one would deny that it's kind of its own
unique place with a unique sort of take on Anglo civilization that is actually separate enough
from Australia to warrant, because they're separated by water, to warrant separate treatment.
The problem here is not size.
The problem of the size of the location.
The problem here is the identity that is created.
And so even America, America doesn't narrow it down.
you know in that stupid civil war movie you know the meme you know what kind of american are you and
he says south american central american whatever i actually think that hits on something because
you know how do we refer to latin america oh well it's latin america you know oh oh how do you
refer to to um to shoot i mean like like like actually no i think yeah but latin but that's not
the same civilization you know they speak a different language fundamentally different
You know, they're primarily at the offshoot of Spanish civilization with vestigial holdovers of native civilization in some places, which the United States, frankly, does not have.
And this is, and this is kind of like, it's like, it's like America doesn't specify you enough, because Northern South America used to be referred to as the Americas, plural.
It's a geographic designation.
It's not a cultural designation.
Now, a cultural designation can also be a geographic designation,
but it has to be specific enough to actually refer to something tangible.
And this kind of brings us to the main crux of the issue, Mr. Pete,
is that right now the United States is having an identity crisis.
Would you agree with that?
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I mean, anyone, anyone with eyes to see can,
see that. I mean, it's
apparently
Aurora Colorado now
belongs to Venezuelans.
Yeah, no.
Exactly. And that can only happen
when no one knows what the
thing they're supposed to be enforcing is.
And so
exactly, you know, yeah,
so America's having an identity crisis.
An identity crisis is when
you cannot grasp your hands,
on something that you are.
Now, there is an idealistic component to identity.
I am not against idealism, because if I were, I would be a hypocrite.
Right.
However, an idea without anchoring in reality is called a fantasy.
All right.
And the previous identity of the United States is a fantasy.
and a fantasy can kill you.
And that is precisely why we are having so much issue,
is that America has no tangible identity,
has no tangible idea that is rooted, that is tangible.
And that is the sort of...
We do have an idea.
It's economics.
We're an open-air strip mall.
And that's what we've been sold since World War II.
At World War II,
or I've been told, I don't believe this,
because I've studied the subject,
I mean, World War II is what got us out of the Great Depression.
Yeah, no, no, that's just...
Go ahead, keep going on.
So, of course, if...
Yeah, I mean, if you actually believe that World War II
got us out of the Great Depression,
we should just be in constant war.
We should be bombing our own cities and rebuilding them,
because, I mean, that would...
That makes the line go up, right?
No, we're, our culture is business, is commerce.
And that's pretty much what the Navy protects, what the military protects at this point, is commerce.
Well, yeah, and it didn't, it wasn't always that way.
There was always a strain of that, sure, but every nation has to engage in commerce.
No one, I don't even, you know, Mr. Pete, I don't think you're against engaging in commerce.
I don't even think you're against being particularly good at commerce amongst a nation.
No, not at all.
I'm with Friedrich List.
Free trade within the nation, hard tariffs on anything coming from without.
Absolutely.
Well, and that's just normal throughout most all of society, right?
You know, and throughout most civilizations throughout all history, right?
So commerce, like, you know, and people get too wrapped up in, I understand that, you know, the holdover of olianism.
It's kind of, it's well on its way out.
But, you know, merchants themselves are not the problem.
It's when it's when the whole society.
And really, as you said, the idea of economics, that is kind of sort of founded in reality.
But it's more of a consequence to the lack of a tangibility.
When you have no ideal, the only thing you can pursue is like self-advancement, self-gain, etc.
When you have no idea, that's the only thing you can pursue.
And that's why, yes, you are right.
Right. You know, when people say the United States is a free trade zone, they're not saying an ought, they're saying an is.
The United States right now is treated as a free trade zone because it treats itself as it is a free trade zone.
And this is beneficial to every other people's on the globe except for Americans, specifically the heritage Americans and those who have married in and those who have, you know, who desire to identify, to join that tribe and to destroy their previous identity.
Assimilation is actually a good thing. It's just assimilation is misunderstood.
Assimulation is the annihilation of the previous identity in order to be incorporated into the new identity.
You talk a lot, Mr. Pete, about how your father was Pedro, but he named you Peter, and he made sure that you grew up speaking English.
Yeah. I mean, that was, it wasn't even a question as to whether I was going to learn to speak Spanish. Now, as things have progressed, I wish I would have learned to speak Spanish.
Probably would have helped me in my career a couple times, but, you know, the point is, is that no. I mean, we were raised to be Americans. You know, my dad's, my mom's side of the family is,
been here for over 200 years, but, you know, my dad's side of the family became citizens during
the Spanish-American War. So, yeah, he was always, I mean, I was born in, I was born in Heidelberg.
My dad was in the military. My dad went into the military as soon as he was of age, got his grandmother
to sign off so he can go in at 17. And it's just the kind of, it's the kind of environment I grew up in.
Absolutely. No, by the way, fun fact for you, if you ever get the time, I just remember.
remember this, you know, look into, one of, one of my favorite generals was actually a
Puerto Rican Marine Corps general by the name of Pedro Del Valle, although I'm sure you've,
you've heard of him or you're familiar with him.
Of course, yeah.
Yeah, he was the most hard rate, like, racialist general that you'll find of that
whole period.
Like he made, he made Patton look like, anyway.
He also, besides that, but yeah, no, so this is the issue.
right and that America America but like the the nation that America is used to refer to
which basically inhabits the entire with a few exceptions the entire borders of the
United States of America like this is not a like like let's break the country kind of thing
that I'm trying to drive at here this is actually like hey why don't we pick the name that like
we actually are that tangibly places us somewhere all right and so obviously you know this is
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
However, I believe that the solution to America's obvious identity crisis, its lack of a founded
and rooted ideal is in the fact that Americans do not understand what their source is.
And I'm not talking about England.
They don't understand what their source is.
I'm here to tell you the source of all culture that we can positively identify as American,
That includes barbecue, that includes country music, that includes, you know, like the American farmstead ideal, that includes naturalism and the idea of stewarding and protecting the environment.
That includes also, you know, even commerce and industry, but it also includes the American military tradition, the American naval tradition, the American, all of it is Virginia.
We live in Virginia civilization.
Not American.
Virginian.
All right.
Now, this is a bold claim.
I will proceed to back it up.
Everything proceeds from the first.
Everything proceeds from the first.
Everything proceeds from the source.
All right.
Virginia was the first.
Now, you could point at Roanoke.
Roanoke failed.
And everyone there died.
James Town was the first successful.
Being too early, by the way, is the same as being wrong.
A mutual friend told me that once.
But Jamestown was the first successful permanent English colony in the United States,
and what is now the United States.
And from there, through the entire 17th century,
you see everything that characterizes American culture play out there.
because you know like like ethnogenesis happens overnight it takes a while to cultivate to cultivate an ethnost for an ethnos to fill sort of the book of its deeds right mr pete but ethnogenesis occurs overnight it's a it's a snap it's it's instant almost it's within the minds of everyone over one over one generation and it almost happens immediately virginia
dealt with almost all of the problems,
not only that we're dealing with today,
but that America has dealt with in the past.
If you want a really good example of how contemporaneous
this time period feels,
you can go on the Old Glory Club substack.
Read an article I wrote called Bacon's Rebellion,
Three Lessons in Politics.
I'm really proud of that article.
Because it kind of perfectly extrapolates
what I'm trying to say here.
All right. Virginia in the 17th century almost faced the exact same problems that,
A, we face today, but also that is kind of perpetually repeated throughout American history.
You know, you have this conflict between the frontier and the established sort of coastal elites.
You know, that is as early as Bacon's Rebellion.
That is as early as the 16, was it?
16, I don't remember that, I'm always terrible with Nate's.
As early as the mid-1600s was this opposition between a frontier, a sort of like real, like, you know, like the, I don't want to call them the proles, but this idea of a frontier America, of a hard edge America versus sort of this coastal establishment that always looks back to Europe.
But also, if you look at the initial Virginia company land claim,
It includes pretty much the entirety, the entirety.
Matter of fact, I'm going to look it up right now just so I can fact check myself.
If we had it, we put it on the screen, but everyone's seen it.
You can look it up.
It's the 1607 or the 1609 rather.
No, no, there was a 1607 claim before it.
Then there was a 1609 claim which reduced it.
But the original claim included pretty much the entire,
higher United States, actually it was the 1611 grant that added it.
So if you look at the 1611 grant, this is why I have to fact check myself, Mr. Pete,
just so I can, you know, just so everyone can follow along.
All right.
The 1611 grant includes all of the present day modern United States except for South Texas,
like the southern tip of Texas, the southern tip of Florida, South Florida,
and very notably New England.
That's very interesting.
the initial the initial uh 1611 virginia grant uh or not the the 1609 cape fear parallel was then
superseded by the 1611 virginia now it didn't stick that but that was you know the original
land it included uh it included uh tijuana mexico and vancouver canada um it also included alaska
it did not include Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut,
most of New York, North Jersey, and like the northeast corner of Pennsylvania.
All right.
Which kind of brings me to this other, this objection that you might raise.
All right.
Well, what about New England?
Virginia was founded in 1607.
Yes, but New England was founded in 1622.
I put forward to the listeners, all right?
New England is its own unique expression of Anglo civilization on the North American continent.
Just the same as, you know, you could even make the argument that like, you know, Texas later on is another nation, is another expression.
And even California.
You know, those are kind of Texas and California are the two big ones.
some have also started talking about alaska but those are the two like you know big ones of of like
you know of like states that kind kind of you know have almost a nascent national consciousness of themselves
and this is the way of things mr pete right particularly in anglo civilization what do anglos do they split
they schism they found new places they lead they go elsewhere all right um and so this is and this is
this is oftentimes, this is why, you know, really ever since the, you know, I hate going back
this far, but, you know, it's not quite 200 years past yet. Ever, it's actually, small little
side, it is, every so often when I remember that the Civil War isn't exactly even 200 years
past yet, I realize how recent it is. It seems like it's ancient history, but within history,
200 years is about the magic number before something completely cycles out.
You may disagree with that and people may make quibble over the actual amount,
but 200 years is about when any living memory or any like,
because like we still have people alive today who have met Confederate veterans or met Civil War veterans.
you know, they're very old, but like even though the Civil War itself is not in living memory, the people, the living memory of it is in living memory, right?
The 1600s is of course not. But ever since 1865, you know, and I don't mean to take talking points. And I have no, I'm not even really talking about Midwesterners or, or, you know,
or anything like because actually contrary to popular belief the Midwest was mostly settled by Virginia
Virginians mostly if you if you David Hackett Fisher who wrote Albion Cid he also wrote a book called
um bound away Virginia in the westward movement a later Virginia's later claims as a state you know
everyone knows about Kentucky and West Virginia however Virginia also claimed um initially in the 17 prior to the
before the Northwest ordinance created something like eight states
Virginia had complete possession of the entire Ohio River Valley and the Great Lakes.
It had possession of Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, parts of Minnesota, all of Illinois,
Kentucky and West Virginia. Am I missing any?
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I don't think so.
I don't think so.
That whole, like the entirety of what we call the Midwest today
was a possept, was a territorial possession of Virginia.
All right, and it was primarily settled by Virginians.
Really good example.
President Benjamin Harrison in the late 1800s,
rather unremarkable president.
Didn't really do anything.
But he is the grandson of William Henry Harrison,
or is he the grandson and the great-grandson,
of William Henry Harrison, who was also the president,
who ran from, I think, it was like Illinois or Indiana or somewhere like that.
He conquered the Midwest.
He fought in the Black Hawk War, won at the Battle of Tippa Knoo.
Big war hero.
But he was from Charles City County, Virginia.
And his father was Benjamin Harrison, Colonel Benjamin Harrison, the 5th, who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence from Virginia.
All right?
This is like, I'm, I'm, I'm going to, it's good, you're going to hear me say Virginia a lot.
Because this is, this is, this is, this is, I think you would admit, Mr. Pete, this is a rather,
big claim it so you have to kind of kind of back it up you know American I and
frankly what I am proposing is that Americans cease self-concea heritage
Americans who are not specifically not from New England you can New England
already has its identity you already know what to conceive as if you're from
New England that's it's the Puritan idea that is Puritan civilization or New
England period in civilization right it's a different expression it works in
New England
And everyone kind of knows where New England falls.
It's actually the most well-defined region in the United States.
It's Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and arguably upstate New York, but arguably not upstate New York.
It really just depends on what side of the fence you're sitting on.
Because upstate New York is actually one of the most archaipally, like, American places that you can go to and you can live in.
So I suggest that's a separate concept.
Really good book on that.
It's called The City State of Boston.
And that is a sort of, it's a maritime sort of naval republic with a lot more similar to how North Sea states like Norway, like, you know, East Anglia, like the Netherlands.
The Netherlands is, you know, very similar to how like New England, the sort of the New England Yankee, I.
idea is, right? That is its own civilization, or not its own civil, it's its own like particular
expression of Anglo civilization. That is not the entire United States. And I think it is an issue
when you project that on the entire United States. Now, I am not a proponent of Balkanization. I
think that's stupid and I think that only helps America's enemies. However, I think it's important that we, in
order to solve this identity crisis, we need to start self-conceiving. Any part of the United States,
and I mean, Pennsylvania is a, you know, but it's also a commonwealth, but Pennsylvania isn't New England.
Pennsylvania, as a matter of fact, it's a lot closer to Virginia than it is the rest of New England.
It's actually, it's also, yeah, and it's also a commonwealth. But besides Jamestown being the initial founding and just about every colony after that, getting
supplied and even settled largely by people who lived in James Town and up in the in the further
Chesapeake Bay area um besides that trying to think of where I'm going to take this um
let me reassess real quick do you have anything so far mr. Pete no you know I'm just to um
defend my family from western Pennsylvania my mom's side of the family um they
if you were to spend time with them and you were to spend time with, like, say, my wife's family,
who's from Northern Georgia, the, they talk different, but they're the same people.
Yeah.
It seems like those, it seems like Appalachia is, as long as it is.
And, yeah, I've told this, I've told this story, too, I was telling Lafayette Lee.
that if you walk out onto my front lawn and you turn left,
you could see the very, very last hills of Appalachia.
I live right at the end of Appalachia now.
And if you walk, if you go up and you study the people,
even all the way up to Pennsylvania,
going up into even upstate New York,
it's remarkable how it's the same people it's just i would dare somebody to argue that with me um i don't know
about now i grew up a long time ago and spent more time out there um when i was younger more time
upstate New York in western New York. But if it's not now, there was a time when that strip,
that strip of land, like really meant something. And it was, there was something metaphysical about
how everybody who was tied to that land were very similar, no matter what state they were living in.
absolutely absolutely and i think um and i think it's more than metaphysical i really think that like
even by blood they're the same scots irish or uh border anglo people um and the thing is too is i
i i suggest appalachian culture isn't really apalachian culture is the 21st century socially
acceptable way to say southern culture they're fundamentally the exact same you know they do
the yeah there's maybe there's differences that mountain people have with flatland people but they're
both they would both be called hicks in a in a different era all right and they're both they are
fundamentally similar enough that that they you know they uh the comparison is there all right
so let me continue this all right so sure everything that is recognizable i've said this earlier
but everything that is recognizable as American culture found its origin in Virginia.
What is the one, like, you know, how like different ethnicities are kind of marked by the
genre of food that they have, you know, Mexican food is kind of its own thing, even though
most of it comes for Texas and most of all of this was meant by white people, but like, like,
like German food has its own specific thing and specific flare and, and, and, and,
and Spanish food or has a specific flare and French food and, and, you know, anywhere you go,
it's like, it's like one dish or a couple of dishes you can think of.
All right.
What is the American cuisine?
It's barbecue.
Absolutely.
It's barbecue.
Barbecue is the American cuisine.
Now, there's Cajun food, but like almost everyone universally recognizes that the Cajuns are kind of just,
just aliens that are inhabiting the current borders of the United States.
It's not, they're just not numerous enough.
They're not numerous enough to be, you know, anything, anything serious.
Pray for Sandbatch.
So true.
But the American cuisine is barbecue.
And you know how you can tell us the American cuisine because freaking everywhere has got
its own, its own version of it.
All right.
But it is the American cuisine.
And it, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into.
into how it was invented and who invented it because that might make some people angry.
However, it is, it is, it is, it is distinctly American.
It has its origins of Virginia.
Specifically, it was the switch from mutton to pork because lambs were not able to exist the same way pigs were in the American colonies.
From mutton to pork.
It has its origin in the tidewater of Virginia.
and it spread out all right what is you know so so yeah that that's you know like like even even uh was
even american alcohol you know whiskey bourbon uh uh those were initially brewed in um
i don't know if they were initially brewed in virginia but they were brewed by virginians in
other places um you know and and and and and and and
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about east last beads i i'm trying to i'm trying to i'm kind of on new territory here um and i'm
trying to grab what i can but the point is is it's like is it's like you know shoot let's
a little bit right let's let's talk about famous individuals right you talk about uh you know
prior to the country prior to the foundation of the country you know the virginians were always the
first and the foremost amongst all the the founders of the of the you know various american
colonies. You know, the first families of Virginia, the Randolphs, the Carters, the Lees, etc.
All right, a lot of them broke and formed, you know, break off family branches in other,
in other states. But most notably during and after independence, all right, commander-in-chief of the
Continental Army, very obviously, George Washington was a Virginian. The writer of the Declaration
of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was a Virginia. I don't mean to re-haping. I don't mean to re-haping,
all of this thing, but if you look at American history, the soup, with the exception of the
Adams is, of course, but the super majority of any notable important founders or framers, right,
first Supreme Court Chief Justice, George Marshall, or John Marshall, not George Marshall,
that was his, that was his descendant, John Marshall from Virginia,
Framer of the Constitution, James Madison from Virginia.
You know, what is it?
You had the Virginia dynasty of president.
James Monroe gave his name to the entire hemisphere in terms of the policy enacted by the United States
and kind of remains in the minds of everyone.
Everyone knows what the Monroe doctrine is.
Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, I, you know, Virginians, you know, Virginians, they settled the Midwest. They settled the Kentucky. They settled Tennessee. They settled in, in, in the deep south in a lot of places. And yes, they came other settlers also came from places like Georgia and South Carolina. Sure. Yes. But it all, like there is a center. There's a core. There is a, you know, like, like there is a source.
to the american identity to everything that comes from it um you know almost everyone who you
talk to will kind of agree that the more authentically american side of the civil war was the
confederacy and you know robert e lee and and most all of that you know war every confederate
state gave like almost 80 percent of their manpower but virginia gross not net
growth or not not not not per capita rather virginia gave gross more blood treasure and and all of that
mostly because it had more to give uh north carolina gave more per capita but um and the war
happened in virginia um battle of yorktown in the in the american revolution uh ended the
theoretically ended that now the work went on for another couple of years but basically was the
psychological end and victory of of the American Republic happened like like two miles from
Jamestown. I could keep going on. I mean, when Thomas Jefferson made the Louisiana
purchase, right, and that really kicked off the Manifest Destiny, Marrweather Lewis and William
Clark were both Virginians. Lewis and Clark were Virginians. George Rogers Clark was a
Virginia. Another great explorer. And if memory serves me right, Daniel Boone was, where was he born?
Oh, he's born in Pennsylvania. Anyway, sorry, I thought Boone was from that wide area, but no,
boom was born in Pennsylvania. Regardless, all of this is Virginia. Shoot, Westerns, Cowboys. That comes
from Virginia. What was the first great Western novel that inspired Louis Lamor, Zane Gray,
all of the great Western or Western, you know, that was like after dime novels and before
Westerns as a literary genre was really established. What was the first great Western novel?
It was called the Virginia. It was called the Virginian. It was written by Owen Worcester.
That is the great Western novel. Is that not?
novel that created the whole Western genre.
You know, like, I could talk about the military tradition beyond Washington and Lee.
You know, George Patton's family can trace its roots to Virginia.
Douglas MacArthur's mother, you know, MacArthur is buried in Norfolk.
George C. Marshall came from Virginia.
Like, like, I could keep going on and on and on.
But, like, you know, the point of this, Mr. Pete, you know, and I haven't talked about Jefferson.
Jefferson, people can kind of point to him as like the center of the American tradition.
I have personal issues with Jefferson.
But I don't deny that he is fundamental to the shaping of the American character.
And Monticello is kind of like this sort of like this micro that would be played up into macro of what almost every American dreams of one day having.
You know, plantation culture, the rest of the South gets its culture from Virginia.
William Faulkner's great novel, Absalom Absalom.
The protagonist Thomas Sutton was white trash in Virginia who wanted to, you know, who couldn't go through the front entrance of a plantation house in the tidewater.
And he never, he never forgot it.
And then he went to Mississippi to try to rebuild, you know, this Virginian gentleman aristocrat civilization in Mississippi with him as kind of the center.
you know so so like like the examples go on and on and on i know i understand that many
but argue oh well paul you're biased because you're from virginia you're you're cherry picking
these ideas but no i think i think there is something here you know the i believe that
you know someone once said that the civil war was when the north declared war on america
and new england kind of hijacked the federal institution of the of the united states
government. I'm not saying this polemically. I'm not trying to fight today's battles with
yesterday. That's not what I'm trying to do. What I am saying is that New England is its own
country, is its own self-insulated area, is its own sort of culture form as it war, is its own
almost, you could even almost say that it's its own high culture in and of itself, just in a
smaller geographic area. It's its own cultural expression of broader Anglo-Civilism
But America, whether you're in California, you go to California, rural California, and it's, you know,
frigging border Anglo herders whose families came from Virginia.
I was in California, going to a wife's family member's wedding.
And yeah, I was, and there were cowboys at that wedding.
And I started talking to them.
I'm like, oh, I'm from Virginia.
And they're like, oh, my family came from Virginia.
They came out and they settled here in the rural Sierra Mountains, you know, after the Civil War.
Like, look, this is not hard to track.
You know, this is not particularly like, you know, difficult.
Yes, you could say, oh, well, what if they originated in Georgia or, oh, what did they originate in South Carolina?
Oh, what did they originate in Pennsylvania or whatever?
Yes, fine.
but there was a first
and that first was the one
who ensured that all those little seeds after it
were cultivated
ships from Virginia supplied the
even in New England ships from Virginia
supplied the Plymouth Bay
or the Plymouth Columnia
not the Plymouth Bay
Massachusetts Bay was a separate thing
supplied the Plymouth colony which was starving
Virginia ships supplied it with food
to keep it from James Town
to keep it from starving
So that is kind of kind of sum this all up.
You know, Virginia is, you know, from that 1611 grant, it's just been made smaller and
smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
It's been made more and more and more and more specific of a place of like old Virginia.
But the idea of Anglo civilization on the North American continent finds its genesis in Virginia.
and I don't know if I would if I would I mean I might I might actually put this forward
this might actually help this might actually solve the problem is if you if you you know
you changed the the name of the United States of America into like you know I don't
know like the Republic of Virginia or something like that you know names names really do mean
something and the United States of America is kind of like a legal you know it's it's
impersonal, but France, the Netherlands, or Holland, or whatever, or Spain, Portugal, England, these are places that are tied to peoples.
All right.
And I believe that the American people, the heritage American people, in order for them to continue as a self-conceived identity that is,
both an attempt to re-found
what existed in the past
and a new founding, if you will,
and
to make a break from the very harmful things in the past,
I believe that
beginning the self-conception
of Virginian civilization,
as much as it can possibly be conceived,
I believe would solve the identity crisis
that the United States currently faces.
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Well, yeah, that's when you take into account if you were to ask, I mean, 10 random Americans from 10 random states or I mean, now you have it stuck in my head, you know, what kind of American are you?
You're going to get 10 different answers.
There's nothing to rally around.
You know, and I guess that's one of the biggest problems, right?
Yeah.
As soon as a country, as soon as a nation, let's say a nation, as soon as a people starts to rally around something common, wars declared upon them.
And it doesn't have to be a shooting war.
It could be tens of millions of immigrants, just, you know, of foreigners, forced upon them.
It could be when now a man can become a woman.
it could be you know oh you go to church i mean we dismiss you for going you're you're dismissed from
any kind of uh you want a job in academia and you go to church now that's not going to happen
oh you're a white man oh no this is what happens when a people decides
that they're going to have a common identity
And it's been happening for over 100 years.
And the ones who do get left alone, say, of Japan, they're under occupation anyway.
So, I mean, really, what are they going to do?
They can't build a military.
They can't, you know, they're not going to become a military power.
Yeah.
It's just teaching.
Just the United States.
States, the nation, Americans deciding that they're going to have a common identity,
means that war is going to be declared upon them. And I don't think most people are ready for that.
Well, and I agree with you. And I think that perhaps even the entire mental conception of
the United States of the Americans is actually in negation to that. There is no one American people.
And if there was, then it's been changed.
But, you know, and even if Virginian is not the answer, I think it's a step, even if it isn't, it is a step closer to what the answer is.
Because when you say Virginian, you cannot think of anything other than Washington and Lee.
Two of the most, you know, Washington is still is still, is kind of, you know, spared, but Lee is maligned.
And you have to
Go ahead. I'm sorry
You have to remember
Sure yeah I mean I agree
I agree Virginia is
Is the high culture
Or was and needs to get it back
But look what's look what's right there
You have Mordor
Has been set up right there
Look at Austin
Austin Texas to me Texas is its own country
Always has been
Let's say Hano's are like some of the coolest fucking people on the planet.
Sam,
you just go there and hang out with them.
Sam Houston and Steve and Austin were both born in Virginia.
Anyway, keep going.
Yeah, you'll find in that list of people,
you'll find actually my wife's dad's family name as founders.
Where's Fort Hood?
It's an hour up the highway from the capital.
all you got to do is roll tanks down there it's an occupation man there's no reason we should have
military there's a reason we have military bases in the united states and there's a reason that
what 95% of them were built after the war of northern aggression it's not there to train the troops
it's there to quell the rebellion it's there as a threat to the people well there
There was a similar issue with forts in the American territories and a quote-unquote military occupation that Virginia responded to in the past.
So I do agree with you.
You know, yes, there's great powers levied against the idea of a unified identity amongst those people that we call Heritage Americans.
and whomever adopts that.
But at the same time, yeah, the power was over an ocean the last time,
but this time it just makes it all that easier for us to achieve final victory.
You know, it's look, you know, if you want to be like the founders of this nation,
who are all racialist Christians, by the way, no matter what, you know,
with a few notable exceptions, of course, there were deists there.
there were, you know, people I think should not be admired for their religious beliefs.
But if you want to emulate that example, which, by the way, was not the creation of something new,
it was the restoration of something old that had been lost.
That was Jefferson's whole legal theory behind separation is that, you know,
hey, you know, parliament has no authority.
Their issue was not with the king, by the way.
Their issue is with Parliament.
What is it?
The, you know, Jefferson theorizes that, you know,
hey, since Parliament did not aid in the establishment of the United States,
it was established almost entirely by private ventures with a little bit of, you know,
state funding here and there.
But because it was not established with the aid of parliament,
parliament has no authority to tax the United States.
and so therefore the American colonies were only loyal to the king, you know, as Englishmen were,
and the execution of Charles I was very much within recent memory.
So, you know, the idea that you could just simply declare yourself a separate nation wasn't,
whatever your opinions of Charles I first and kingship and all that.
So, and frankly, you know, Parliament, I mean, I could even take the pro-monarchist point on this,
is like parliament under george the third had completely abused its power was totally out of touch was
was you know starting wars that you know i mean that the that the americans had to fight for i mean i
don't i don't know and then taxing americans without giving them any representation with as as to how
they were governed you know charlemagne said in his speech at the o gc event you know things like
things like representation in government things like you know the rule of law things like
like keeping your government and power accountable to someone. Those are not bad things.
You know, just because, and as a matter of fact, our problem today is not with those things.
It's with the absence of those things. We just live under a tyranny today. We don't live under a
good government. Yes, you can make critiques of democracy and you can say that, yes, people are
stupid and don't deserve to vote. But America's a republic was not set up to be that way.
you know the federal constitution was just a scaling up model of virginia's constitution right which was
you know adopted in the mid-1700s by governor governor gooch who i think um uh is understudied
because virginia went through some serious political crises at that time um and it was able to
maintain a stable domestic political system that lasted well into the 1800s um even up until the
of war really, but you know, like, but like America had precedent. America was modeled initially
on the aristocratic republics of Europe. It was modeled off of the Republic of Venice. It was
model off of the Republic of the Netherlands. It was modeled off of the Republic of the Commonwealth
of England, you know, under Cromwell. This was, you know, even the Swiss Republic, right? This was
precedented. You know, this was not beyond the pale. And it was meant to be an aristocratic
republic with landowning, you know, the active citizenship. I think it was 1796, which was the first
active citizenship that defines citizenship, and that's the free, the landowning white men of
good character. And that's what it was meant to be. That's what it was meant to be. And a friend of
mine thinks that Jackson is where everything went wrong, but I don't even want to want to approach
that. But we're kind of going a little bit, a little bit over the time we usually do these
for us. So I'll kind of just, I'll just, I'll just bring it back. Like, yes, common identity
amongst a people is attacked, sure. However, the one place that has, frankly, the rural population,
the cultural memory, the traditions, the economic know-how, the military know-how,
not centralized within the government, but rather dispersed amongst the populace,
although at an increasingly, at an increasingly lesser and lesser rate as the younger
generations are born and indoctrinated and specifically put into certain areas.
this is the one place where some sort of resistance to tyranny, you know, and what's the motto of Virginia?
We all know what comes to tyrants, what always comes to tyrants.
This is the one place where it could work using the model of the foundation of English-speaking civilization on the North American continent that is not in New England, Virginia.
And once again, I think that this is that, you know, before you even, Mr. People, before you even start something like this, you have to, there's a lot of idea work that goes into it. And there were enough Americans who self-conceived of themselves as America only. Not British Americans, not colonists, not subjects, but a new, a separate people. And perhaps,
the thing that helped them at that time has become our means of slavery in this time.
And perhaps the first thing we need to do is conceive of ourselves as something older than American,
something closer to what it is we're trying to recapture.
And so that is just simply the solution I present here in this episode.
I'll also be writing an article on this, but this is simply what I have to suggest.
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All right. Well, I mean, I love it because it makes a lot of sense to me, especially after reading Yockey, Spangler.
And I also know it's going to upset a lot of people. So, I mean, that's just win-win for me. It's perfect.
Perfect. Absolutely. This is what we do, isn't it?
Absolutely. And once again, like, if you're from the north, like, not even so much north, like specifically New England.
If you're from there, I'm not trying to besmirge you guys.
I don't have a polemical need to do that.
But I want the categories to be accurate.
I want the United States and the various constituent parts to be accurately described and categorized.
And that is why I believe that New England, small as it is, is its own place.
And shoot, I would perfectly support you all doing what you wanted to do in the Hartford Convention and be your own country.
I'm going to completely okay with that.
frankly because I don't know you guys are smart you'll figure it out but like yeah
no that that that's all I'm saying you know and if any of you doubt me you know
posted in the comments call me the freaking Fed like you guys usually do
I'm just kidding it Pete's listeners are great you know anyway this is this is this is this is
what I got don't just don't read the comments it's like I've I've said often
YouTube and rumble and comments like that.
It's where intellect goes to die.
It really does.
Yeah, I just can't help myself sometimes.
All right, so what do you guys plug?
I don't know what it's going to be.
Yeah, old glory club.
Also, you know, yeah, old glory club,
but if you're particularly interested in this topic,
I wrote a series of short stories called
a country squire's notebook.
that is sitting on my gum road it's yeah you got to pay for it i mean i'm sorry i'm i'm
i'm broke i need money um but um but yeah i mean it's it's i've everyone who's read it
has liked it um whenever i figure out how to publish it physically i'm going to do that it's
unfortunately it's just an in an ebook format i'm sorry um but it's a collection a bunch of
short stories set in the set in the commonwealth of virginia in this sort of fantasy universe i've
created which I'm attempting to use as a kind of means to invent invent a new people.
Well, I always link to it when you're on, so I will do that again.
I appreciate it, Paul.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Pete.
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