The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1103: Historic Embracing of American Culture w/ TR Hudson

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

55 MinutesPG-13TR Hudson is the author of two historic fiction books. TR joins Pete to talk about how various early immigrant groups fought, or fought against, assimilating to the American culture.The Double Dealer SubstackTR's Latest BookPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Thanks for having me. I've been listening to your stuff for a while. So this is pretty cool and surreal to be on the other side for once. That's cool. I mean, but I think we've actually streamed together before. Yes, yes. Once or twice, I know we did an old glory club stream together. That was fun.

Yeah, yeah. Always fun. You never know what one of us is going to say on those streams. And it's always, it's always interesting to find out who's going to get the stream demonetize. Yeah, well, you guys have a good bunch, so. Well, tell everybody a little bit about yourself. You've written a couple books, and the topic we're going to talk about is, you know, pretty specific to the second book he wrote. So tell everybody a little bit about what you.

Yeah, so I'm a novelist and short story writer on the internet, Twitter shit poster. I run the Double Dealer magazine with a couple of other guys from the South, as well as the Canon Fodder podcast, which is a podcast about talking about books with friends and Twitter. Twitter frogs and anybody who really I come into contact with. Like, I'd love to have you on, for instance, sometime. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So talk everybody a little bit about the inspiration for the second book you wrote. Yeah, so I was pretty obsessed with, well, yeah, I'll go back.

I come from an Irish family. So growing up, the Kennedy family was like the sort of, aspirational family that every Irish American should want to be like. I remember we were cleaning out my grandmother's house when she ended up having a downsize, and there was just boxes of Kennedy memorabilia from the 60s. It was kind of surreal. So I've always had this Kennedy kick, I guess.

And when RFK Jr. entered the race, that kind of kicked that off from me as well. started reading up on Joseph P. Kennedy, senior, the patriarch of the Kennedy family, and everything that he did. And I just started thinking to myself, like, what kind of guy, one, lobotomizes his own daughter, but then throws his sons into shark-infested waters for, you know, a bit of the power in America and really trying to upend the, the WASP class as he did only to see it all kind of fall apart

I thought it was a great a great story and I wanted to write a novel about it and my novel's not one for one I take a lot of creative liberties because I thought it worked better so that's the fun thing about writing fiction is you can kind of make up whatever

you want but then again I guess that's also what journalists do and historians these days Well, my buddy Carl, Carl Dahl, who comes on the show and talks about, he writes Spanish Civil War fiction. He has to actually be a lot close. He tries to be, as far as I know, he works really insanely hard to be historically accurate with his fiction. So he'll, you know, he's writing a character into a, into something that happened. And then from everything he's told me, he said that the, he just, he's learned.

how to basically read Spanish in order to be able to have a, there just isn't a lot written on it in English. And most of what's written on it is in Spanish still and hasn't been translated. So I guess if you're writing historical fiction, you have to have some kind of idea of what was happening at the time. And, you know, then you have to figure out, well, am I, is this the regime narrative? that I'm writing or is it what actually happened? Yeah, like one of the, one of the Joseph Kennedy biographies that I read was, you know, just a regime treatment.

His all of the booze running and gangsterism, you know, is, oh, that's just made up, you know, that's, that's lies perpetrated by political enemies. He was clean as a whistle. Yeah, yeah, of course. All right. Well, what I want to talk about today is that, you know, with masses of immigration that we've had come in and, you know, let's concentrate on, you know, most of the European white immigration that wasn't of the founding stock. Like, you know, you were talking about Irish. And I've seen you comment on Irish coming over here before. one of the things that when you when you start studying culture when you start looking at like spanglary and high culture you wonder when did those groups how hard was it for those groups to adapt and did they ever did they you know do they keep a lot of the old country still there i mean i grew up there were

still a lot of irish people in the bronx when i grew up in the area that i grew up in they ended up eventually moving to the north of the Bronx, away from where I grew up. But they still had, you know, going back to Ireland once or, you know, once every at least a couple years. They still had a very, very Irish kind of,

like their culture was very Irish. Like at home and the family, everything. And a bunch of them became cops, things like that, New York, New York, NYPD. So when you were looking back and you were looking at this and you're saying, okay, how are they assimilating? Because that's, you know, the old question is how, how do people assimilate into new cultures? What did you start seeing?

I saw that they didn't, actually, and I've been twisting myself into knots ever since you, you DM me asking it to come on, because that's, that's one of the things that we're seeing today is like, oh, the normie con talking point of, well, you know, they got to come legally and they got to assimilate and I'm thinking you know I the groups that came before didn't and if they did it was it came in a very high cost think one of my favorite writers is Kurt Vonnegut Jr. right his his family immigrated to the United States in the 1800s old German stock and spoke German in the home until World War I, where suddenly

German had to be cut off entirely, and they became entirely, quote-unquote, Americanized, only for Kurt then to later be present at the bombing of Dresden in the Second World War. It's funny how life works out that way. So there has to be a great

cultural cost for somebody to completely disassociate themselves from the old culture and take on the new one. And very few people do that. I think, I mean, one thing could even be the changing of last names. There's a woman at my church who was talking about the other day. She was going through Ancestry.com or whatever.

And her great-grandfather had to change his name. It was a Czech name and they couldn't pronounce it. And they didn't know how the C and the Z worked together. So he became like Smith or something, right? And, yeah, that's something. The Irish and the Chinese who built the transcontinental railroad, they had to sacrifice a lot just to kind of be treated like dogs. You know, it's one would think that assimilation comes through great personal struggle. And we're seeing the exact opposite of that today.

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it's not going to happen by accident. It's going to be a concerted effort by the, probably the patriarch of the family and, you know, them making, you know, that's what my dad did. My dad was like, you know, my dad was born in an American, you know, territory, came here when he was six months old, and when he raised me, raised me to just be American. You know, you know, you can know about your, you can know about the old country all you want and everything, but you're going to be American.

You're going to speak. You're going to, you're not going to speak Spanish. Like I can speak Spanish. You're, you know, you're not going to speak Polish and, and Hungarian like your grandfew. like your mom's parents do, you're just going, you're going to speak, you're going to be American.

And it seems like that's, I guess some people can sort of adopt into it. But if a family comes over here, you know, if generations come over here at once, like a lot did in, through Ellis Island. It's going to have to be a concerted effort

because, you know, people have to remember that, especially going through Ellis Island, going into New York, you can, once you get off the island, And you're in, you know, Manhattan, there are neighborhoods you can go to, which are, there are East German neighborhoods. There are southern German neighborhoods. There are Italian neighborhoods that you can just go right into.

And they're really, when you look back, they're not America. They're more like the old country than they are here. Right. Right. Definitely. So my, both sets of my grandparents actually came after the Second World War. So I'm only a second generation American. So I was twisting myself in the knots, as I kind of mentioned before. It was like, well, what makes me an American? Is it that I was born here? Well, you know, I mean, there's Pablo's and Juan's who are born here who I don't consider American.

And I'm sure that you don't as well. And they have to go back in some sense. But I was thinking, well, what about my family makes me American? And I think it's exactly what you're talking about there, Pete. my grandfather, he came off the boat and immediately joined the Marine Corps, went to fight in Korea, right? Was American his entire life, you know, he loved his Irish culture, but, you know, anybody told him that he wasn't an American, and he'd have very strong words for them. And I think that's, I think that's really the key question, The key point that we're trying to nail down here is that, you know, when you get to call yourself an American, you get to have the opportunity to succeed here.

That's, that's it. You don't get government assistance. You don't get preferential treatment for this, that, or the other. And you certainly don't get to send a lot of your money back to where you came from to support family over there. You kind of have to make it or you have to, you know, go back. And a lot of people did go back. I remember, I think it's even Ann Coulter, who makes this point a lot, that of the millions of people that came over during the Ellis Island period,

a lot of people couldn't hack it and went back. Yeah, they didn't. The ones who stayed usually had people here, or they had a support system. And usually that support system was based off of ethnicity. Yeah. And that's the thing, too, is you go to New York, and there's actually there's an interesting movie that came out recently by the people who did Sound of Freedom.

It was based on Francis Cabrini, who is a Catholic saint, an Italian nun who came over and started building orphanages, especially for Italian kids. She started in the five points in New York. And it's a little too girl bossy, which is strange coming from like a quote unquote Christian conservative film studio, but it was otherwise a fine film. and one of the things that you notice is that the, and I'm sure some of it's kind of dramatized for and played up for spectacle and for good storytelling, but the five points were a rough place to live. You know, there was no social services there.

A lot of times not even clean water, and people just had to make it work. It was kind of these, these, these, immigrants communities only had each other because they they burned the boats to borrow the phrase and had to succeed here. Whereas you're seeing a lot of people these days who are crossing the border five, six times a week, you know, living in Mexico, working here even because they can, you know, they can hold on to both citizenships if they even want American citizenship, which, a lot down. So when do you think this all started? Because when you look at the founding generation, obviously it was Anglo-Saxon Christian. You can trace, there were, yeah, I've done some tracing from unlike my mom's side. So we came early 1800s. But there weren't a lot of people coming from the Poland area at that time. But there were already Polish people here. They didn't come as early

as the late 1600s and 1700s. Hell, America wouldn't have had a cavalry without von Steuben. And like, I know that a lot of German Jews started coming here in the 18, tens, and 1820s, and they settled in the South. And from everything I've read, they did very well of assimilating in the South. And if you have, it's like we said, if we run off of the assumption that people come here from somewhere else, but yet unless they fully buy in, the culture is not moving forward, especially if you look at culture metaphysically, then, I mean, it seems like it starts pretty much soon after. after the Constitution is signed because they do start allowing, they do start allowing other groups in. And they kind of have to because America's really big,

and it was just a lot of empty space, and they needed to fill that space. But I think we're also, we need to consider numbers, too. I was kind of looking into this yesterday, and over the hundred or so years, let's say, of Irish migration from Ireland to the United States, do you know how many people that was? no like 6 million right and that's just Ireland right but that's over that seems kind of high that but

that yeah that's that's an estimate but that's over a hundred years as well right we're we're taking in 50 million people since 2000 and that's that's I'd even say a pretty low conservative number you know there's and that doesn't count all the other groups you know uh Italians I think it was like 12 million Greeks a lot less. Eastern Europe didn't really get along until maybe mid-20th century. But, well, there was, you know, a bump of Eastern European Jews for a while, and that's sort of a different story. But we're not seeing the kind of numbers that we're seeing today. And when you're in a big, empty country and you're a small minority group, you have to assimilate because you've got your small community, but outside of that, you have to be able to do commerce with your neighbors.

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Well, I mean, that is, but it's also, this really starts, you know, World War II. If you're fighting wars, if you're sending your armies halfway around the world to, to save people who aren't Americans. That pretty much sets up the, sets it up so that, okay, now everyone, everyone's an American. Everyone has a right to free speech. Everyone has, you know, you see libertarians saying that, you know, anyone who's walking over the border should be able to own a gun

because, you know, the Second Amendment is universal. And, I mean, that's just, that's just born out of the, out of the World War II generation and basically the wars of, you know, well, we have to go around the world to, you know, we have to go save these people because they believe in freedom and this and that, and we're going to bring democracy here. Yeah, it's the, I mean, that's how that happens. It's the American sort of neoliberal version of colonialism, which I know that you've touched on on your show before.

There's a really good book by Graham Green called The Quiet American. Have you ever read it? I have not. So it's a short novel. Takes place in the French Indochian War. There is an American CIA agent who is trying to Americanize and basically stick his face and his nose where it doesn't belong in regards to the Vietnamese and various groups.

And he's reading all of this liberal theory. And there's the narrator of the book. he's sort of an old British colonial. He, you know, I think he grew up in the Far East. And he's, he's very much, uh, think, uh, you know, think, uh, Flashman is, is a, is a good example of this guy. He, he accepts that these people are not British, that they can never be British and that they are just their own thing.

Whereas the American idealist, his whole mission is to try and, and bring the American out of the Vietnamese. And he ends up, well, I won't spoil the book because it's a terrific read. But yeah, there's there's something to that American idea of, and this isn't new, this idea that anyone can be an American, right? And we're seeing that borne out that it's, it's simply not true. There are a lot of presuppositions, probably I'd say chiefly being, you need to be a Christian in order to be American. And maybe even, and more probably you need to be a Protestant. I know, and I'm Orthodox, and I know that you're a Catholic,

so it kind of stings to hear, but in some ways it's very true. Yeah, some people may point to that and say the whole idea of, we save the world, is to be blamed on the missionary aspect of Christianity, that that has seeped into that has seeped into our consciousness and you know where everyone everyone is anyone can be a Christian from any race any peoples of the world well if we're a protestant nation then that seeps in as well and i mean there's there is something to that i think there anyone well everyone should be christian i personally believe that but that doesn't mean that they see when you when you when you talk about Rome how do I want to want to address this okay so Protestants right they don't they discovered that they could abolish in some ways the hierarchy that's why you see a lot of Protestant nations forming democracies forming republics right that's that's why the American

experiment worked for the founding stock generations because they did not need to be ruled by a king where you see, you know, more Catholic nations. They kind of, they kind of do need that hierarchy. Yeah, I'd stand by that, I think. Well, I mean, when you look at the, when you take into consideration, classic countries like Spain, who, yeah, were a Catholic hierarchy, and then you look at the United States, I mean, they're both equally cucked by global homo. Oh, oh, definitely.

And that's, that's the, you know, that's, that's a, I think that it's a historical aberration that is quickly falling apart around us. We are, we are to bear witness to the, to the fall of global homo liberalism. So, I mean, in the meantime, you know, as we're watching, so it makes it easy for like millions of people to cross over the border. and they just get plugged in because, you know, they're just, they're Americans in waiting. You know, they're supposed to be here. And the, really the only way, well, I mean, there are a bunch of things that could stop it. There are a bunch of ways that you can reduce the incentive for them coming here.

But, you know, when it comes right down to you, you're going to need people. in power who desire that, who want that. And we just don't have that at this point. No, we don't. Yeah, I mean, we can blame it on, you know, we can blame it on, hey, the Catholic Church. We can blame it on Christianity. But the fact, the fact is that, I mean, no one, it doesn't seem like anyone wants it. Even, I would think that many of these people who, you know, are Trumpers, just want to see immigration. stop. They don't even really want to see people sent home. Right. Right. And, you know, unfortunately, it's, it's not a great cell. Uh, or, you know, unless you, unless you kind of hang

out in our spheres, your, your average normie isn't going to, isn't going to want to kind of take that next logical step of, okay, we need to close the border. Now we also have to, uh, send people back. Recently, I think Sweden actually started their remigration program, which I, you know, I'm surprised to hear, but they're starting to, I think, pay people who have not assimilated to the Swedish way of life to leave and never come back, which is, you know, a positive development. And I've heard that that sort of played around with as well. The thing that the, you know, the, the, the, the libs like to say is like, oh, we're going to, you know,

bust into people's houses in the middle of the night, grab them, and then, you know, throw them over the border and say, see you later. I don't think that we need to be that calloused about it. I think most people are here for some sort of payout and then would happily leave. Well, yeah. And, well, I mean, I think that you can pay people to leave. And I think what Sweden is doing is a good idea. but you also have to make it so that they don't come back. Right, right. Yeah, definitely seal the border and put something in place. Either, you know, I would even leave it up to the states, but even that's kind of, you know, all you'd have to do is then, you know,

tell New Mexico that, I mean, New Mexico is a pretty blue state. I can't imagine that they would enforce a border law. So yeah, I'm actually I'm that one kind of stumps me honestly of how we what what does sealing the border actually look like Well, I mean, I don't think you need to seal the border if you remove all of the incentives So if you have like if you make it so that if you crack down on any employee employer That would hire anyone who was illegal You would also have to make it so that that if somebody wants to get Gibbs, they have to prove that they're an American, American citizen and yada, all this and that.

And that's really the only way I think it works at this point. Otherwise, you're looking at, I mean, you can kick people out. You can build the wall. These people are going to find a way around that. They're going to find a way around it. And the only way, the only way is just a disincentivization. And the only way to do that is you have to have people in power who understand that it has to be this way from now on. And the problem is, is that when you really look at, when you take the temperature of the country,

it's like finding elites who are going to go along with that, who are willing to take power and willing to stay in power and willing to do whatever it takes. Yeah, that's, I don't see how, I see that this is just going to be a perpetual fight, just like, you know, fighting with the left. The left is never going, they're a perpetual revolution. They're never going to give up. It's always going to be a fight. So I think this is the same thing.

Yeah, Microsoft Excel has done a ton of damage to America. And I see that say that kind of tongue in cheek, but I mean it in that the managerial class sees inputs and outputs from individual worker units, let's say. And all we have to do is just increase the worker units and we'll increase output. And we've clearly seen that that doesn't work. You know, we don't even know how to get back to the moon with technology that was developed in the 40s, 50s, 60s. We, in a lot of ways, we can't replicate it. I think even the, I think I read somewhere that the, the designs for the Saturn 5 rockets have pretty much been lost or are half lost or something. Like, we can't, we can't build this shit anymore. And part of it is the, the oncoming competency crisis, but part of it is also just the, the, the doctors and engineers and scientists that we were promised have not, panned out. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are

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Yeah. No, I think that's right. I think that there is a huge competency crisis, and I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that the education system was a sort to dumb down people. When you have an education system that is, it's one goal is to educate people just enough so that you can propagandize them. I mean, you're screwed. You're looking for like the people who can accomplish things,

who can, you know, create email. The kind of people who can create, you know, a web browser. These are anomalies. The, you know, it wasn't like the government had this program, like the Manhattan Project, where they're saying, oh, we need to, we need this, we need to push forward. We need to beat every other country. we need to be the greatest country in the world when it comes to technology.

We need to create all this stuff. Most of this stuff was by accident. Most of this stuff happened in spite of, most of the stuff happened despite the dumbing down. We just happen to have some brilliant people who came along and were able to do some things. Yeah, it's the same when modern scholars talk about William Shakespeare and they try and say, oh, there's no way that William Shakespeare actually existed. Just look at the amount of output that he had.

No one person can do all that. It must have been a pen name, right? Or it must have been, you know, a couple people, and he took credit for this and that. They can't imagine greatness, and they think everything is done by committee because that's what they have been trained to believe. But really, all of the great innovations that have occurred

through human history have been the efforts primarily of a single man or maybe maybe a group sometimes it's not only that it's beauty yes i mean remember we're we're we're just a couple hundred years away from people creating things to be beautiful and you know obviously if you really look at that it was to honor god It was to honor heaven. It was like building a heaven on earth. And I mean, that's gone. The industrial revolution leading up to the 20th century, leading up to the world wars.

And now everything is about equality and people can't be proud of their accomplishments. It kind of bullshit. Right. I mean, I went to a non-denom church for a little while before I found Orthodoxy. And one of the things that I heard, because we were basically meeting in an abandoned strip mall that was, that was, you know, re-turned into a worship space. I won't even really call it a church. It was, well, you know, Jesus is coming back soon. We don't have to make pretty buildings.

We're just here to worship God and, you know, fine ideals. But when you're sitting in what is essentially a converted, uh, theater. without a cross in there you don't feel God you feel you know the the trendy sort of worship music that that they play and the swelling piano as the pastor kind of finishes off his his TED talk but that doesn't go and inspire people to create for God as he sort of to go and try and mimic what God did with creation in our own small and perfect way. Well, I mean, it just makes God very personal, right?

It makes it, you know, where it's, sure, sure, we're going to talk about how the reason we have to go to church on Sunday is because we're not supposed to forsake the assembling of the saints. But really, it's your personal experience. So if it's all about your personal experience, you're not coming together. Oh, now I sound like I'm a collectivist now. you're not coming together to see how you can, I mean, how the church has changed a world in the past, how it's, you know, reconquered Europe.

Yeah, and that's the thing that libertarians really just don't get is that, yes, we are collective. We, you know, we're not in a communist way, but in a community way, in a, the way that a church, is a community, is a collective, the way that a nation is, and that's also the thing about Americans, you need to buy into being, as we talked about, we need to buy into being an American,

and maybe even more so, you need to buy into being from the state you're from, right? You know, our friend Paul Farronite, he's like the most Virginian man I've ever spoken to. You know, he, he bleeds the Commonwealth. And he supports Hung Cow, who's running for Senate in Virginia. And he thinks that he's one of, like, Hung Cow couldn't be more Virginia,

he thinks if his name was Robert Lee, Cow. You know, there's something to having pride and ownership in the small patch of land that you can call yours that is important to being an American. Because, yeah, yeah, I think that the renting, the renting perpetual crisis that we find are, ourselves really does make it seem that people don't want to buy in because there's nothing to buy, you know? Well, that's another thing is the when you had the revolution against the urbanites, against the, um, the people who the ruralites, the people who live out rural and you force them, you, you, you not only forced them through sending jobs somewhere else, uh, um, subs, you know, ways that you can penalize you for owning a farm, but you also propagandize

them into thinking that the only way that they can, um, you know, you need to live in the city or you need to live in a suburb and that's, that's success. That's what being an American is. Um, that's one of, that's one of the ways that this country was destroyed was by, is that white picket fence. Yeah. Yeah. You need that, you need that white picket fence. in a zip code that you can brag to people about. You know, with a good school district so that you can send your kids to Harvard one day. Yeah, it's. So they can be, so they can turn into the same people that, you know, have convinced you of,

are the ones who come up with all of the plans to get you out of your, you know, ancestral home to sell your ancestral home. move into the city where it you know in most cities it is it's near impossible to own for most people no oh definitely yeah my my wife I grew up in New York my wife likes to watch some of those really crappy reality TV shows if she ever listens to this she'll be pissed that I mentioned it because it's she finds it a little embarrassing I find it endearing and we were watching this old New York sort of real estate show from like the 2010 10s, right? And even then, that was a great investment property-wise, because you're buying

for like a million dollars and in 2024, that that same million-dollar apartment that you bought in 2010 is worth, you know, 10 times that easily. You know, it's on, there's no way that it's just, it's unsustainable, you know, I was, I watched another thing about Hawaii that the Native Hawaiians are being priced out of their own land because of foreign investment, because people are buying land in Hawaii because they know it's really valuable. And then it sits empty 11 and a half months out of the year. Yeah. Well, and then, you know, once you do go there and you become a rootless cosmopolitan.

So say you do go there and you buy something for a million dollars and then it was worth 10 million, 15, you know, 15 years. or what are you doing? If you're going to sell it, where are you going to go? Are you going back rural or no? Are you just becoming a more cosmopolitan? And it's just a cycle. And then you're getting your, you want to get your kids into the best schools in the city. And let me tell you a little bit about that as somebody who went to some of the best,

a couple of the best schools in New York City, that what you're going to learn there, you're going to learn how to be a rootless cosmopolitan. Right. It's just a cycle that we don't. we've been convinced that it's oh this is what success looks like when the new elites cycle through because it is inevitable it might not be this this next election cycle it might not even be the next five election cycles you know we have to we have to think long term actually uh charlie you know really really harped on that when he was making videos and that that's probably what stuck with me

most is that it might not happen in our lifetime. But the first thing, we have to, if the housing market doesn't take care of this itself, when the boomers all die off and land becomes, you know, relatively cheap again, because it's going to crash soon. We need to stop having this mentality of property as an investment in anything other than raising a family. or starting a small farm, right, a small self-sustaining farm. It can't be, I'm buying a piece of land so that in five years, I can flip it for double what it's worth. That's, that's, that's a civiliz, civilizational killer.

Not only does it pit you against your neighbors, just in the one, they're always in and out, right? so you never actually get to meet these people. But the rise of the HOA fascist, right, who make sure that your lawn is not a quarter inch higher than it needs to be, the sort of Tim Walzes of the world, right? They really, they erode the trust in any sort of society when you're thinking about your own bottom dollar. And I guess that we can, we've been, we've been bitching for 40 minutes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to think of solutions. And then you have to think of solutions and, you know, and you look at people who, you know, it's like, I guess he wouldn't mind me mentioning. But someone like CJ Engel, you know, has become a friend of mine whose family is like native Californian. And, you know, he's leaving California. He's, he has left California to move to Tennessee. And, you know, his friend Andrew Asker is doing the same thing at leaving Minnesota and move it. You know, these are people multi-john, because they're realizing that if they stay there, there's, it's more dangerous for them to stay there than move. And, you know, no one wants to sacrifice their heritage.

At least, you know, once you understand your heritage, you don't want to sacrifice your heritage. and I'm sure they don't want to sacrifice their heritage, but what they're looking at is they're like, we're going to have to start over. Yeah, we're basically, to me, they're like a new pioneer class who is like, we have to, well, I mean, things are not working out for us where we are,

we're going to be persecuted, we're going to leave our home country, and we're going to go someplace new. And, I mean, I think the quicker people start doing that, because that's, there are, There are people listening to this who are in areas that are just not going to be livable at some point. It is an excellent opportunity for fortitude. I know you yourself recently moved to Alabama, correct?

Yeah, I'm out in the middle of nowhere. You know, but you're sort of, you've state your claim, and it's very possible that that will sprout something. that lasts beyond your own lifetime. You know, that's the thing, too, is that we've, we've tried to, and I don't mean we as in you and me, I mean, I guess they, they have tried to breed out the thinking in terms past your own lifetime. You know, everything in America is so fast that you can't possibly, think of children, grandchildren, 10 generations down the line, whereas those who came before us,

that's all they kind of thought about. Yeah, it's what Thomas 777 calls living historically. Right. That we don't, it's not that we, it's even been bred out of us. We, we consider people who do it weird. You know, what, oh, what are you proud of, proud of something? your ancestors did that you had no part in. I mean, you'll hear people, you'll hear people actually say that.

But it's funny too, because that instinct is still there, even in like, you know, the, the most soy-faced bug man, they'll be like, yeah, my great-grandfather fought in the Civil War. You know, when it's things that they like, they'll latch onto it and be proud of it, but think it's weird if it's something that you like. again we can we can talk about the we can bitch about the libs and the all day long and it wouldn't really change anything but I only mention that because that instinct is still

there even if it's been muted a bit yeah it's there you know but the only the only way we're going to get people it's all about elites It's all about people, having people who have power and have wealth who are willing to allow you or willing to advocate for you or willing to be your patrons.

And right now, the only things, you know, to me, really the only move is to have a system or have a, have a group or have a, you know, some kind of organization where your sole purpose is to raise up. elites that will, you know, that will advocate for you, that will tear down walls for you and who believe what you do so that you can go, we can go back to that. I mean, we're not going to go back, okay? Technology is taking us forward. So, you know, we're not going back technologically. But there is no reason why, when it comes to our mentality, when it comes to the way we think, the way we live, the way we, the way we think about family. that we shouldn't be thinking of the past because the way we thought of family in the past

is the way family is to be thought of. And the way it is now is, you know, I know people who, you know, they're like, well, you know, you talk about family and everything, and my parents were monsters. Okay, why were they monsters? Were they monsters? Because they were just monsters?

Or did they grow up in this system being taught that, you know, they're supposed to just care about themselves and not care about the people who can't, before them and they have to teach their, you know, you know, you have boomers who are not going to pass anything down to their kids because screw them, we just want to go on a cruise. You know, we just want to cruise for the rest of our life. I mean, this isn't something that happened organically. This is something that was bred into us.

This is something that was taught to us. And now we, you know, we have to find a way out of it. And, you know, the only way I can find a way out of it is we have to change the way we think. but also we need advocates. And so the only thing we should be doing is raising up elites at this point. Which is why you, dear listener, should join your local OGC chapter.

Was that a good commercial? Was that a good plug? Oh, it has to be. A trailer for the Old Glory Club? I think so, yeah. And I mean, I do appreciate what you guys are doing, and I hope to be at the next event next year. But, yeah, we have,

We have, unfortunately, society is set up in such a way that we have to be very careful when it comes to organizing these things, right? As it was either you or Thomas said that, you know, to be right wing is illegal these days. That was Thomas. He says it's criminal. Right. Criminal, yes. And so there has to be a way to organize without sort of getting, without the, without the, ears of the state perking up because they would love they love when when right

wingers organize they think it's they have to they have to make up their own in order and parade them in the streets in order to to have them sort of become that boogeyman that they've been waiting for to you know take away whatever freedoms they want to take away next so while and and luckily I think the OGC has done a terrific job of of keeping their image one, their profile low, and then also keeping a pretty wholesome, agreeable image and message and mission. It's just, you know, it's one of those things we have to be very careful about.

Well, yeah, and it's why when I always talk about it, when I always talk about the OGC, I always mention everything we're doing is legal. We're not going outside the bounds. We're not calling for revolution. No, we're looking to do things the right way. and that still put a target on your back. Definitely. It'll,

yeah. I mean, look at the, look at the V-Dare guys, you know? Yeah, they've done every, they did everything right.

And, you know, you see the way people came after them. And, you know, we, we have to understand. Well,

what I was going to say is when I'm talking about, like, the PayPal Mafia, things like that, like, looking, and seeing are these, is there this new elite class that is making moves? And it's obvious.

They're admitting it openly. Why is this important to me? Because they can take the boot off of our neck while we are organizing. So we may have, it may be that, you know, the FBI isn't looking to infiltrate every little single thing that, you know, somebody does. It'll be interesting to read a history textbook in the future and see that Mark Andreessen tweet with the bullseye after somebody said, we're seeing a rotation of elites in real time.

Yeah. Yeah. And seeing people like Joe Lonsdale yesterday went under Alexander Vindman talking about how, what's his name from Telegram? Davlog. Yeah. Yeah, that he, you know, basically saying, well, we can't allow people like this to do it. And, you know, Joe Lonsdale going, you know, Sixth Emperor Turanus to him, you know, openly.

I mean, they're basically, these guys are billionaires, but they're resting billionaires. Now, going out on a limb and doing things like this. I mean, yeah. Now, to end on kind of a white pill, I have a crazy theory that I wanted to pass by you. I love crazy theories. It is very clear that the PayPal Mafia is helping Trump as much as they can. I really liked your analysis of the DJT stock. I think that's right on.

Do you think that Peter Thiel has been so silent because he's working on some sort of fortification through Ballandeer? I think Palantir, the way he would use Palantir is to gather information on the elites that are there right now. Yeah, I don't know that there would be a fortification of like an election or anything like that. I think there are some things working. Anybody who's seen the numbers of voters added to the registry and taken off the registry in Pennsylvania, has to wonder, huh, is somebody working in the opposite direction of what we saw the last time? Especially with Shapiro as governor. That's been really interesting to kind of take stock of. Well, Zeman made it, you know, Chris Zeman made an interesting point on his last Friday episode about Shapiro.

Okay, so say that these governors like Arizona governor or say someone like Shapiro in Pennsylvania, say they do have this switch that can turn on the fortification machine. So if Shapiro believes that if Shapiro wants to run for president in 2028, maybe he's like, let's lay off the fortification machine this time. I'll save it for me in 28. These are all theories, but they make a lot of sense when you're looking at everything from a Machiavellian standpoint. Yeah, we saw that with Newsom the other day. He was on that podcast or that interview or whatever. And he said, well, you know, Kamala was just kind of picked. And he kind of laughed it off. But you could see he was not happy about it. And if he really, if he thought that 2024 was winnable, he could have easily gotten the nom. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I honestly think that there is one of the reasons. I forget who made the point that. that one of the reasons they may have just let Kamala do this

is because they've just thrown it in on 2024 and they're just going to save it for 2028, and they just plan to do over the next four years what they did from 2016 to 2020 to just shut down, use the deep state to shut Trump down at any turn, which makes Project 2025 or Agenda 47 that much more important. That makes sense?

No, definitely. And, you know, I, again, I really appreciate you. Whenever I black bill, you always happen to have an episode that comes out that turns that around for me. So just for that, I appreciate you. Yeah, no problem. And I know you got a hard out. So I'll let you take this time to promote anything you want. Sure. So go ahead and take a look at Double Dealer, at DBL dealer on Twitter. We have the Cannon Fodder podcast where we're we talk mostly literature. I'm in the works with Capitilissimo to do a sort of conspiracy book podcast called The Library of Mass Destruction. Right now we're going through aberration in the heartland of the real. That should be coming forth soon. And yeah, I have a couple books out. Feel free to take a look at them. Again, thanks for having me on. No problem. I'll link to all those things. Thank you very much. Take care. Until the next time. Thank you, sir.