The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1110: Radical Politics Becoming Normalized w/ Josiah Lippincott

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

67 MinutesPG-13Josiah Lippincott is a former Marine officer and is currently a PHD candidate at Hillsdale College.Josiah joins Pete to talk about assassination attempts and growing violence on the Left.Josiah's SubstackJosiah's Author's Page at American GreatnessJosiah's Telegram PagePete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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So I really appreciate all the support everyone's giving me and I hope to expand the show even more than it already has. Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yon-Nus show. Josiah Lippin Kott's back. How you been, man? I'm well, as well as you can be in Kamala Harris's America, where it seems we get to have an assassination attempt, you know, every month. Are we going to call this to Kamala cycle if it happens every month?

I think Darren Beattie had a great tweet where he said, you know, you can tell if Joe Biden, if Donald Trump has won a given presidential debate by whether or not there's an assassination attempt in the following week, which I thought was an astute. Interesting observation. That's awesome. How are your studies going along?

How are you done or what's going to? No, it's great. So I'm currently three or five chapters deep on the dissertation. And so I'm working on the fourth chapter now and then getting any corrections to the committee. So the chapter I'm working on right now is on FDR and really the lead up to Pearl Harbor. So I'm focusing on the Muckton incident in China, the Japanese response, Japanese articulation of their foreign policy, and then FDR's own approach to foreign policy right now. So finding a bunch of great stuff regarding the sort of pre-war order as it was developing in the 1930s. So I'm uncovering new stuff every single day, stuff that I hadn't known.

So right now I'm getting into FDR's early articulation of his foreign policy. So that comes out in his vice presidential run in 1920. And it's really all there. I mean, I'm kind of surprised by how much of it is so early present, the same language he would use to describe World War II is the language that he would use then when running for vice president. Also, a very nasty campaign. He said some pretty terrible things about Harding in that run.

So very, very interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. The further you go and the more books you get, the more you learn, like, I really have taken on the Spanish Civil War as something that I want to know as much about as possible. And, like, there are tons of books right now that have not been translated out of Spanish. Oh, of course. And, like, every time a book gets translated out of Spanish, we learn something new. I mean, like, like a huge, huge subject that's opened up. Yeah, no, something similar.

happening with World War II, I think in the Far East, especially Spanish is a proto-Indo-European descended language. So it's relatively easy for Westerners to learn, but Japanese is not that way. So Japanese is much harder to learn to read, and reading older documents poses additional challenges. So for instance, the language, the Japanese of the Imperial Court is very different from ordinary Japanese, as I understand it. So, you know, at one point when I was living in Japan, while deployed there, I got interested in trying to learn the language just to see what it was like. And it arguably just, it poses a very high barrier of entry for the ability to read and translate these documents. So so much of what we really honestly need in order to understand the Japanese frame of mind,

is it really accessible? It's still kind of behind this wall of translation. So a big problem there, definitely. All right. Well, let's talk about what's gone on at home. Yeah, we already mentioned it. Two assassination attempts of someone running for president. Yes.

Not like the assassination attempt on Reagan who had been elected or Gerald Ford, who was in office. No. This is someone who's been president is running again. and it seems that, and we can talk about the difference between the first shooter, alleged shooter and the second guy, because there's a big difference in those, but, I mean, this is, this is unprecedented. And really, in 20, in 2024 politics, I'm not even shocked. Yeah, I know.

I was talking to a friend this afternoon, and she was just noting that, yeah, it's like we've just gotten used to this. This is part of our politics now. And that's a very dangerous state of affairs. I think what I'm taking away from this second shooter is that the Ukraine war is the single most important issue to the D.C. ruling establishment. Nothing else even comes close. Inflation, immigration, all the kitchen table issues that voters think are important in Washington, D.C., war with Russia is the number one priority both among Republicans and among Democrats. And, you know, people are talking about, well, personally, I think the second shooter that Ryan Ruth got, I think he totally met with some very high-ranking Democrats and Republicans. I think he was in their presence. I don't know how seriously they took him.

But, you know, like I put a tweet out where I asked Alexander Vindman, I said, did you ever meet with this guy? immediately blocked, doesn't answer the question. His wife is meanwhile basically cheering on the assassination. No ears were harmed by this attempted shooting. So what I'm guessing, you know, that guy was in Kiev, he was in D.C. He lived in Hawaii, allegedly only has $3,000 a month, but somehow he's all over the place. He's interviewed in the New York Times. This is the kind of crazy person who 50 years ago would not have been allowed anywhere near the center of power.

Like that's not how that's going to go. But now you have major institutions gassing someone like this up. And it's a big problem. And it's, it's, yeah, it is, it's shocking that in this, you know, 2024, this has just become part of our politics. And it's also, as Elon Musk pointed out, why are they trying, why are all the assassinations going one way? Why are they all aimed for Trump?

He's not in power, right? He's not the president. So why? You know, and I don't mean that, you know, hopefully the secret service won't come knocking on my door. and I don't mean that because I want assassinations. I'm saying that should lead us to ask some very tough questions about the American political discourse right now. Well, this second shooter, this Ryan Ralph guy,

if they actually set him up to do this, they're moronic. Because he wrote a book. He's in a black rock at. He's, what else? He got arrested for, and never sent to prison for a position. possession of a WMD. Yeah, right.

He got stopped in traffic and had a bomb and it turned into an escalated into a whole situation. Yeah. I mean, this is, but when you look at this guy, you have to wonder. Now, obviously, see, I, we know that he's met with countless people. Yeah. Countless people. Yeah.

And he's been over there, done this. I mean, has, obviously has me. yet it's so marvel-brained. He has that marvel-brain thing where it's like, well, I'm going to take a shot at the president or, I mean, then he doesn't get, they take him alive. There's something, and he has a Harris Biden sticker on his car. Man, it just seems, you know, at this point,

if you're making fun, I mean, I've said some things. about conspiracy theories where I'm just like, look, the narrative, if you can build and construct a narrative off of these things, it's more important than the conspiracy itself. Right. It's kind of hard to just, it's kind of hard to just look and go, I mean, this, how are you not a conspiracy theorist at this point? I mean, you're right. You have to.

You have to be. Well, no, no, no, Pete, you have to understand people who are in power never worked together to preserve their power. And the enormous multi-billion dollar national defense establishment would never, ever, ever, have anyone in there doing anything wrong? No, I think you're exactly right. And what's so striking to me is that, you know, have you read this novel, the Joseph Conrad novel, the secret agent?

I highly recommend it. I'm a recommended to your audience as well. He's in that novel, the main character is basically a Fed. He's infiltrated a country on behalf of another power. but he's a radical designed to stoke, you know, basically radical politics on behalf of this foreign entity. But the problem is, is he's basically a bullshitter who spends his time talking to other radicals and they don't do anything. Well, finally, the people who are paying his check are like, you need to do something meaningful with the money that we're giving you. So he ends up helping to launch this false flag attack.

Well, he gets a mentally disabled guy to carry a bomb into a public square. And basically what happens is the mentally disabled guy blows himself up, and it causes this whole chain reaction of idiocy and competence in boobbery. But there's a mixture of true fanaticism, basically the workings of another power, and then you have people who are either insane or mentally retarded, who are then caught up in that system and then weaponized. And I think we see something very similar in our own time.

Like this is like just a picture perfect example. Conrad already had this over 100 years ago on how the modern security establishment works. And so, you know, will we ever know if this Ryan Ruth guy had state sponsorship? I don't know, but it sure looks really strange. And it looks, it's just the pattern in the model of what's going on here. So people are right to ask questions and to be skeptical. Air grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the northern. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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12 month minimum terms, standard pricing thereafter. TV and broadband sold separately. Terms apply for more infoosies sky.a slash speeds. I think it's become painfully obvious over the last two and a half years that to the regime that and it's both sides the regime there are very few who deviate from this very few Ukraine is Ukraine and Russia is incredibly important to them yeah and at this point you have to wonder okay If you're, it almost seems like someone wants World War III.

Like somebody wants these missiles to start going, you know, these missiles to start flying. Yeah. And, well, why? Why? And yeah, I haven't really formulated this, but normally it always comes back to something financial. Something is something in the financial system, in the world financial system. and I mean because I've never Iraq was never this important Afghanistan even though we're in 20 years was never this is like this is life and death to them

and I I can't help but think that that's the reason why you know people keep trying to kill Trump yeah well I think they know that he'll yeah I think there's definitely a financial element I mean there are defense contractors making a lot of money off of the war so you can't ignore an incentive like that I think also but more importantly is the view of justice the ideological view very important I really think the consensus view among most of

the people in DC is that this is a war of righteousness it's being waged against eternal evil manifested in Vladimir Putin who is you know basically you know as one very astute observer friend of mine puts it you know using the Islamic ISIS formulation you know Putin is the 13th and visible Hitler. He's the equivalent of the 13th invisible imam. You know, he's just constantly being reborn, this eternal evil, Fanos come back to destroy the world in the Marvel cinematic universe view of how foreign policy works. And so we've ended up with a foreign policy establishment which has all of the wrong motives. They have their cynical financial motives. There's crazed

ideological motives. And then, you know, you've got just this sort of blatant stupidity on top of all of this. You know, how many pants-suited girl bosses are there in the State Department who believe, you know, are kind of sublimating a problematic relationship with their father under Vladimir Putin and using that to make policy? And I posted a thread about Sir William Browder, who's one of these, who is shilling basically for deep strikes into Russian territory. Browder is the grandson of Earl Browder, who was the head of Communist Party USA for a time in the 1930s and who was a known Soviet spy. His mother was a Russian who and a Soviet citizen. And so he, you know, William Browder made,

I think he made 2,000% return during the privatization period in Russia. So something like $4.5 billion by, you know, snatching up these commodities and these, you know, heavy industry within Russia and then bringing down the global markets. Many such cases. And there's a great piece called how Harvard lost Russia,

which goes into the wheeling and dealing that occurred. So a lot of these oligarchs, have, you know, extensive international ties, and they've made a lot of money, and they're mad at Putin for those reasons. So that goes to your point. There are financial incentives. William Browder was kicked out of Russia by Putin after being a Putin ally because he, you know, whatever falling out he had with the other oligarchs. And, you know, he claims it was all because he was anti-corruption. And I don't trust a word any billionaire oligarch out of Russia is saying about what they did, basically. But what's very clear is that these people have complex motives that are a mixture of crass financial motives, but also crazed ideological motives. And then on top of that, you just have plain idiotic inability to think about the world.

And that's a big part of the problem as well. I asked my wife the other day, I said, if World War II started, who would get the blame for it? And I said, it's going to be Putin. Yeah. And I said, why? Because he invaded a neighboring land where everyone speaks, everyone speaks the same language as him. Yeah. And he was doing that because his people got abused. His people were being abused. Oh, wait a minute. I've seen this movie before. Right. Somebody invaded, somebody invaded a neighboring country because there was a city there that, was the same spoke the same language or of the same heritage to these people and they were being abused by the home government and then they get blamed for world war two so is it any is it any reason

why he they wouldn't prop him up as you know invoking hitler hitler hitler when if they want to start war war three he's going to be the one who's going to get all the blame well and i i think this goes back to the marvel cinematic universe view of politics you know the complex geopolitics leading up to World War II, especially in the East, are not well understood by Americans. Just simply, I mean, there's a lot that's going on there. The tension between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany was very real. I think there's a, you know, Sean McMeakin in his history, Stalin's war does a good job of centering the conflict in the East and showing just how dependent Nazi Germany was on the Soviet Union. And so not only was there an ideological conflict in that case,

But then there's also the geopolitical and resource conflict. And you see now the way we think about World War II is filtered through brutality on the eastern front. It's filtered through the Holocaust. When at the time, no one among the allies was talking that way. No one. Just that, the plight of the Jews was assiduously avoided by allied leaders. They didn't want to talk about it. And so we get these cinematic, righteous, good versus evil, which then it makes it

possible to think through the real causes of conflict. And so you can see that same intellectual framework playing out today. So we have Ukraine, which is a very recently created country. It's only about 30 years old that has really had any sort of meaningful independence. And by the way, it's not independent. Ukraine is a basically has indefensible borders. It has, it is in the immediate sphere of influence and interest of a much larger power. Okay. And at the same time, you also have Western governments with a lot of interests in that country. So you have these factions fighting all the time within your regime. You know, you can see a very similar theme played out in World War II in the lead up to the war in Poland, which is to say Poland was caught between

two great powers and needs to pick which one it's going to side with. In essence, the polls chose a third option in the British, which was really, that didn't work. And he got partitioned by the two other great powers. If you just set aside, set aside the stuff that was done after the war, if you just look at it from that perspective, you can see immediately what the problem is, is you are, when you're a power like the Ukraine, you need to find out, you can't really be sovereign in the ordinary sense. How can you be sovereign? What does that even mean when at any moment any Western government or the Russians are going to be deeply involved in your politics and determining basically who, what government you're going to have? And so, you know, this is the problem. Again,

And we need to take a step back from the moralizing Marvel Cinematic Universe view of foreign policy and just look at the facts. A war with a nuclear armed power by the United States government would not be good for the American people, period. And you have to look, Warsaw was leveled during World War II because of foreign policy decisions made by their government. They made mistakes and they paid for it. They were just basically brutalized by two great powers. And I think the Ukrainians are making very similar mistakes now. And it's like, how does this benefit you? What is your future going to be like after you take a million casualties in this war?

The average age of a Ukrainian soldier right now is like 45 years old. And how is it? And it's just, it's sickening to see Westerners say moralize, oh, we're going to fight basically to the last Ukrainian. It's just disgusting. They're posting snuff porn on Twitter watching Russians get blown up by hand grenades. It's like, this is sick stuff. And it doesn't have anything to do with our national interest. And then it's all, well, whose fault is this really?

How about we try and avoid having a major war? How about we try that? And I get probably this is what I'm saying. It's extremely controversial. And I'll be labeled as effectively. Yeah, I mean, it's what I will be seen as villainous for advocating for peace, for advocating for not having major war. That's how messed up our politics are right now.

And I think, again, this is part of the reason why they're trying to assassinate Trump. And you see a Ukraine, you know, Ukrainian activist, if you want to call him that, try and kill the president, because Trump wants peace. So that's where we are right now. It's a huge problem. Air grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community.

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or for a throne. They were very limited in scope. They were mostly local. And you can understand them. It's hard to understand them from the, you know, post-Nurrumburg, post-war consensus now, where everything is made into morality, where, you know, you can have a war where you know, where the people who are really paying attention know it's not about morality. But it's just, it's a gigantic morality play.

be about power. It could be about, it can be an ethnic quarrel. It could be about money. It could be about resources. It could be about just revenge. But everything is painted as this moral. And when I look at war, historically, it wasn't until, I mean, very recently, last couple hundred years, where you really started having people judge war from a moral standpoint. It was just always seemed, it always seemed like it came with the seasons. You're going to have a war now, and that's where this is. So, you know, until, I don't know, until we can get past this moralizing, this, where, you know, everybody is held up, any enemy of the regime is held up to, you know, and looked at the Nurember,

defendants or, you know, Adolf Hitler, then we're just, you're going to be able to make an excuse for any war, but you know it's all bull because there are plenty of, there are massacres going on in the middle of Africa right now that we're not involved, you know, that we're not trying to, you know, stop. Yeah. Well, I would say, I think part of the best parts of the Western tradition is the attempt to moralize war and to make it morally clear. But what that means, though, is much different than what these people are thinking, right? And one of the innovations of the international law that comes out of the post-30-years-year-s War Treaty of Westphalia environment, which basically dominates from the 17th century up and through

basically World War I, but it was already coming apart slightly before. The point there is that at the individual level, of course, morality is involved in war. But the problem is, is that other powers can't be the judge of that morality. So in a way, you have to exclude the question of justice in order to bracket and limit the destructive power of war. Because if you say, I'm on the side of the angels and my enemy's on the side of the devils, then that can legitimate doing horrendous evil, But in the name of righteousness, you know, if you're fighting a war for men's souls, then you need to not only defeat them. You need to exterminate the enemy.

And you can moralize it. Every enemy soldier is a murderer. What's the punishment for murder? It's death. So that means every war is a war of annihilation. But if you take that view, you turn, you radicalize conflict. And that's what had happened in Europe. You had this disintegration of the older medieval order, which is complex in its own right.

but you know is the the conflict between the power of secular authority of the emperor and then papal power once you move in the state period the brutality of 30 years war caused a sort of consensus to form among european powers we need to make religion not the central cause of conflict and we need to bracket the destructive power of war and so how you do that is by removing the moral dimension in part from the conduct of war itself. So what makes a war just is that it follows certain forms. An enemy needs to fight under a flag. They need to have a sovereign ruler. They need to follow certain rules of warfare. Certain weapons and tactics are off the table. And anyone who doesn't play by those rules, they can face a war of annihilation. But if you play by the rules within the European context,

then you're able to limit conflict and make them, in a way, you're able to make war more moral. You're able to bracket it. You're able to bracket its destructive power. But by the time you get to Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks throw all of that out the window. They declare the entire prior existing system to be fundamentally illegitimate and brutal and evil. And so essentially, the communists are at war with the entire world. So under that framework, you can't think in the older European terms. And so then we do see a return of the wars of annihilation. Everybody's a target. You see women, children, cities, civilians, non-combatants. Eventually, you lose the entire concept of the battlefield at all. You can just see like what Israel just did detonating these

pagers on these Hezbollah, you know, members. Well, it does, you can argue whether it's right or wrong. What I'm saying is that's no longer war in the traditional sense. You're basically using subterfuge, lying deception is the essence then of war. And so you can't just, you don't just have a stand-up, knockdown fight. Suddenly everybody's a target. Everything at any time, you could just be annihilated by an IED, even inside of a small personal electronic device. And this is a very dangerous war. It's a dangerous situation. And it's a radicalized situation. I think the wars of the future will be so much more brutal and heartless than the wars that have been waged hitherto. You know, and I think unless we do something radical, I think the current international order

will simply tear itself apart in a very brutal fashion. We're going to see civil wars as the sort of civil wars, insurgency, and then small states at war with large states in sort of brutal grinding conflicts that don't really have clear, definable ends and can't really be ended in a meaningful way. That's the future, unless we do something extremely radical in comparison to what we have now. And it's disturbing. It disturbs me greatly. Well, the whole Pager story in Lebanon, I still need to find out more. more about it. I mean, I know it happened and everything, but it just seemed, seemed, seemed like, it seemed like one of those things that could be propaganda, where, yeah, yeah, but then right

before we started recording, it was reported that explosions were heard and seen all over Beirut because walkie-talkies and radios all of a sudden just exploded. And, yeah, that just seems, It seems really odd to me that they would be able to pull something like that off. I mean, I don't. Yeah, I mean, I initially was kind of like, is this something, did they figure out, did the Israelis figure out a way to make lithium ion batteries explode? I mean, how? I mean, it's a feat of subterfuge and intelligence competence to be able to hack into a supply chain,

implant explosives, not have them detonate early, have them able to detonate in sync. Typically, C4 requires mercury fulminate or some other substance to act as a blasting cap. And then, you know, how do you preserve that over a long period of time without having problems and degradation? Somehow the Israelis figured out how to do all of that. But, you know, the core political problem, of course, remains, which is, if you are Israel, how do you get out of the circumstance in which you find yourself now? Which is to say, there isn't, it seems like the Gaza problem, the Palestinian problem is just going to endure indefinitely. And on the one hand, Israel is the only nation in the world,

which has an explicit exception to the post-1945 order, which basically stated that European settler colonial powers could no longer exist, and a sort of ethno state, if you want to use that term, it was fundamentally illegitimate. So I think Israel itself is two fundamental tensions that are pulling on it within. One is there's a faction of left-wing Israelis who would support, they want Israel to be basically what I call gay liberal democracy. You know, Tel Aviv is 30% LGBTQ. They have democratic elections. They want open migration. They do not want to be associated with racial ethno-nationalism. They don't want to be associated with even religious Judaism.

So that faction is at odds then with a faction that says they want Israel to be a close society dedicated to the preservation. of the Jewish people, especially in the aftermath of the Holocaust and, you know, violence within Europe, and discrimination within Europe. But those two factions are in tension. And one of the most striking things to me was right before the October 7th attacks occurred, Israel itself seemed on the verge of civil war. I mean, it seemed like those two factions after that election, it could come to blows. And I have some friends who are Israeli and who, or acquaintances, really, and, you know, the way they were talking to other Israelis, talk about, I mean, very that was probably some of the most anti-Semitic comments I've seen made were made in a context of

these two Israeli factions fighting with each other and and I think it's basically what Israel is being kept together by fighting these external enemies but these external enemies can't really be permanently defeated in any sort of meaningful way they haven't been able to find a solution so what do you do well what's the long-term strategy how do the Israelis get out of the position in which they find themselves And I think it's an extremely difficult political problem. And it goes beyond the sort of crass Zionism or crass anti-Zionism, which dominates our politics, which is a mixture of theological interpretation and then ethnic narcissism fueling it. But the core political problem is just basically unexplored.

Nobody's really trying to deal with it in a serious and systematic way. And I don't really know what the solution is in the sense of, you know, know, as America, we keep getting drug into this, and then the question becomes, what do we do going forward? Because I think we're going to see retaliation for the Patriot attack, and we're going to see, you know, continuing spaces of violence in Gaza and the West Bank, unless something meaningful is done. And I don't, I think it's a very difficult problem for Israeli policymakers. And for the world order as a whole. It is a problem. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to

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Because, I mean, every Western nation has succumbed to it. I think they're going to reach the point where they realize Iran is producing superior missile technology to them and to the United States as well, that apparently now the Houthis have this missile technology, hypersonic. And I think that it's going to get to the point where that left, that culturally left, you know, we just want to, we just want to quote unquote live our lives, classical liberal. that's the only way they survive. Because they're surrounded by enemies,

the Iron Dome is Bull. And Iran has already proven that they can hit them pretty much whenever they want. Yeah, this is a huge problem. I think you could be right. I mean, but I think what that will mean then

is basically the end of Israel as the Jewish state. I don't see how that goes. together. I mean, they could have open borders. You could integrate Palestine or Gaza, whatever you want to call it. You could integrate them into the Israeli regime, give them full citizenship rights. But then you don't, they're going to have their own interests. And those interests are not, how do those go along with the sort of fanatical? They become America. Right. But then how to have, but their circumstances, they're kind of explicitly not that. And the whole justification is, well, this is, you know, never again. I think when the Israelis did their first

nuclear test, the atomic warhead that they developed to help with the French, had the words in Hebrew never again welded onto the outside of the warhead. Well, so how is that going to go? I mean, you've spent all these years basically saying these people are going to, the factions within Israel saying these people are going to genocide us if we allow them into the regime. And who knows? I mean, I'm no I have zero sympathy for Hamas. I mean, I, someone, great response. Who do I want to win in the Israeli Hamas war? I want America to win.

Whatever the American interest is, that's what I want to have prevail. Who do I want to win the Ukraine-Russia conflict? I want America to win. I want Americans to win. Again, you know, that's a very radical statement now because that's a sort of future of our politics. But when you say Americans, you're talking about you and me. Right. But if America wins the way it is now, that means that this government that Thomas Massey has proven is completely occupied by a foreign power wins.

Either way. Well, and I think that's part of the problem is we have a ton of foreign interference happening in our politics. I mean, and it's a lot of powers. I don't think it's just one. I think it's a lot. I mean, I think daily. I mean, it's like the Egyptians. bribing a United States senator.

That just kind of disappeared out of the news. Like, yeah, it's true. He had a $500,000, you know, in gold, whatever. That's just ordinary politics. I mean, Qatar, Saudi Arabia. I mean, oh my gosh, those guys are all over the place. Total infiltration of American institutions. And then you've got the Chinese.

You've got, you know, a growing Indian influence, which I think isn't so politically powerful, but probably will become so at some point. You've got Israel. you've got Ukraine, you've got even European, different factions within Europe that are also exercising power here in America. We've just basically jettisoned the farewell address and Washington's advice. We are proving him right every single day. So, you know, if we abandon your sovereignty to be bound up in other people's problems, you're politically connected,

that's going to have effect domestically. So Hillsdale County, which has all sorts of problems, you know, devastated by deindustrialization, devastated by offshoring. Nobody cares about that. I mean, our Congressman, Tim Walberg, went to Ukraine for something like two weeks in 2022 or 2023. And I was like, I have not seen that guy do a town hall

in the last two years. I've never seen, I don't even know what he does. But he's got time to go to the Ukraine. But meanwhile, we've got problems here. And the point is, right now, the people of Hillsdale County are losing the Ukraine war. They're losing the chemical war with China. And who cares about it?

Other than maybe J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, there's almost nobody who really in power who's really interested in ordinary America. And it's depressing. It's depressing. Well, it definitely does. Well, before I get into that, you had mentioned earlier 90s Russia when they just moved into rape the land. Constantine Kissen recently has, I'm sure.

Do you know who he is? Yeah, the name sounds very familiar. Yeah, he's got this Triggerometry podcast, and he really, really got upset that Daryl Cooper was on Tucker Carlson, you know, spewing... Oh, yes, yes. Okay, I know who you're talking about. So he did this video about the woke right.

And when you understand what he's saying, so he's basically saying, okay, so the woke left looks at all of these myths, like the founding myth, the founding American myth, the 1604, anything that we would be proud of, the founding of the Virginia colony, Massachusetts colony, anything. And they need to destroy that. And what he's saying is he's saying that the woke right is seeking to destroy the other myths. They're seeking to destroy like the myth of World War II.

And he didn't mention this myth, but it's one, there's a couple that there's a couple I'd like to destroy like Lincoln, the Lincoln myth. I'd like to destroy the Civil Rights Act myth, that that was good for, that was good for America. And it basically what it comes down to is we're in a, basically we're in a war over myths. And the regime in charge is being propped up. by the myth of the Civil War, the myth of World War I, the myth of World War II, the Civil Rights Act, Brown versus Board of it, all these things. And if you try to take those down, even people who are voting for Donald Trump will lose their minds because they've actually bought into the founding myth of this regime, which has really nothing to do with.

the founding myth of what is America. Well, and I'd say what you're saying right now, whether people can fight about all of this stuff. But the point is they're going to fight about it. Whatever your view of all of these things are, the last four years have caused an intense decline in legitimacy within the American regime. And so you see an all-out,

you're going to see increasingly the left wants to attack the American heritage or American history, or American history, and the right is going to start looking at the founding myths of the liberal establishment is going to start attacking them. And whether they get it right or wrong, you know, I've got a view of Lincoln, which is often at odds with the sort of contemporary right-wing account, quote-unquote. But the point is, people are now going to fight about this stuff. They're going to have arguments over things like the Civil Rights Act, over World War II, over Vietnam, over World War I, over the war in Iraq. I have.

Afghanistan, COVID, all of it. It's all on the table. And I had this tweet where I said, look, World War II revisionism is inevitable. It is inevitable because you've seen a decline in legitimacy. And there's going to be some good consequences of that, which is I think you're going to see serious people try and address problems like with a sort of standard, you know, what I call the Band of Brothers Marvel Cinematic Universe view of the conflict, which is it prioritizes the Western Front, which is not the center piece of the war. It's just not, you know, people getting into the facts, they're going to want to talk about these things in a serious way. But at the same time, it just means we're going to have a harder and harder time having loyalty to, among unity among the

American people. I mean, half of the country thinks that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler and the other half thinks that he's, you know, the greatest president of the post-war period. How do you make that go together? How do you make this go on? It's a huge political problem. In a America faces the exact same problem that Israel faces today. The right-wing and left-wing factions fundamentally want two totally different things for the country. And, you know, while I think Israel needs to solve its own problems and it needs to have its own sovereign existence, there is a lot of similarity between all of these Western countries. And we are going to have to find a solution. And it's going to, and I just increasingly think the solution finding is going to

be ugly. I think Donald Trump right now, it's like we are, the hour is so late. We might already even be past the point of no return. Trump winning will at least buy some more time, I think. But, you know, they could do crazy stuff. I mean, could you see nuclear war in response to Trump winning? I don't think it's beyond the pale. And I think you could totally see these client organizations, these communist militias like Antifa hit the streets, engaging in systematic violence. What are we going to do then? What do we do if they succeed in assassinating Donald Trump? What do we do? As a patriot, as ordinary Americans, what's the solution then? So yeah, we are totally at the point in which all of this stuff is going to be open for

debate and discussion. It's a pity it didn't happen sooner because I think it would have helped clarify stuff. And there are people going to be mad. They're going to be people who are mad at what I'm saying right now because I'm saying these debates are going to happen and in a way they've needed to happen. We need to be clear on these things. They're going to be mad. But I'm on the I'm on the cutting edge of social evolution. I'm right on this one. And it's it's there's no avoiding it through propaganda or browbeating. It's not going to work. It's not going to work on young people especially. Well, I think one of the biggest problems we have in this debate is the fact that we don't have our people in power and it allows the people who are in power who are completely at odds with us

to do things like take a town of 55,000 people and import 20,000 Haitians into it, which is, which is basically it's an act of war. It's basically just introducing a bio weapon into a population. And it has nothing to do with, we don't have the resources to house, and we don't have, you're importing a, probably in the Western hemisphere, the most

anti-Western culture that there is. And so now they're showing up everywhere. Zerohead put out an article today talking about how some ex-Wall Street Journal, journal, Uncovered that the hub of an alleged migrant trafficking network is in Springfield, Ohio.

They're naming a gentleman name George 10. They call him King George up there, who is living in a palatial mansion that he's making millions off of this. And then you look around. and those of us who've looked into localities and how in debt they are, and how so many localities are leveraged to the Hilt and they're willing to be bribed into taking people, you know, introducing masses and masses of people

into populations where there is nothing. They, no one can speak the language. There's no jobs for them. There's no place for them to say, it is just basically, it's in a, salt. And this is the problem when your enemy is your enemy is in charge and you're at basically and you're in a point right now of a threat that's existential in nature. Yeah. Well, and it's in in the hands of liberals, immigration is a terror weapon. That's what they view it as. This is

revenge for white supremacy, racism, living a normal life. I mean, it, the mystery, had a great tweet. He's like, you know, and I'm going to paraphrase. He's, you know, communism is when people who are ugly and vicious make it illegal to be normal and then try and steal all your stuff and kill you. That's what it is. It's just pure resentment all the way down. In a just world, Joe Biden would be precinct captains somewhere in Pennsylvania, yucking it up with other Trump voters, because in a good universe, Joe Biden is a Trump voter. He'd be yucking it up at the firehouse at the fish fry. He'd be, you know, active. in local politics. But no, this guy is now president of the United States and he knows he doesn't

really belong there. And he's mad about it. He's angry. Kamala Harris is the same way. She's said on tape, she's like, the thing I really want to do is open a restaurant. It's like, that's what you should have done. You should have run a restaurant. Instead, just gassed up on these delusional views. Like, I need to be in charge of stuff. It's like, no, you don't. You don't need to be in charge. You shouldn't be in charge. You're not smart enough for it. You're not talented for it. it's it's not good for you to be in charge you should live a normal decent life no i got to go be at the peak of some international financial trafficking network so i can make all this money and use my political prestige and power to hook up my fail son with you know more money than he

knows what to do with that's the biden mentality and so what you're saying right now you know of course there's an active you know you use the term bio weapon i want to use the term chemical weapon because that's what happens with our migration policy we bring in fentanyl across the border, which is then used to kill ordinary Americans on the street. 100,000 a year, probably more at this point. I didn't think they report all the opioid overdoses correctly. So you have chemical warfare being waged on the American people, and where is anybody in power to do anything about it?

Nobody. Because they don't care, and actually they like it when it happens. That's the real. It's like Lib's being just on the verge of cheering on the assassination attempts. They want to. They wanted to say, that's awesome. We wish they would succeed in killing Trump. because we hate that guy.

And so you see them just, everything becomes, and by the way, it's bad for the Haitians to be here. They're being trafficked. It's human trafficking. You can call, oh, it's all these churches. Oh, we're do-goaters helping refugees. No, what you're doing is helping corporations that Democratic Party move, quote-unquote,

workers slash political clients in the United States. In the Haitian case, it's more political client than worker, but it doesn't really matter. The whole point is this is wrong. It's evil. You're facilitating invasion of, our country by bringing in people who should not be here who are not going to make good American citizens for all kinds of reasons. And I don't want to rule over the Haitians. I don't want to do,

I don't want to mess with them. I don't want, I don't want them to live their life on Haiti and I want them to stay there. I want it to, I wish it were Wakanda. I wish it were perfect. I wish it were filled with technology and social success. But I don't want to have to pay for it. I don't want to rule them without their consent. I don't want to rule them with their consent. I don't want to rule them, period. I don't want to have them here where you then have all of these, their ponds and this political struggle that's playing out between the right and the left. And it's, why? Why are we doing this? There will be consequences for generations based off of the policies we're making now, and all of it could have been avoided. Now, I wish it would have been. I really do. I really wish it

didn't come to this, that where we have to have this conversation. I wish the 90s consensus would have sustained itself. It probably could have gone for least 100, 200 years. But nope, resentment got to win out. And then you get this, this absolute mess. Well, one of the things that really got to me the other day was people on our side saying that we have to not act like victims. And, you know, you look at this McGregor guy who has this metal, these metal factories in Springfield, who does an interview where he takes. talks about how, you know, oh, well, you know, people around here, they, you know, the Haitians show up and they work and they show up on time and they're not hooked on drugs. And, you know, and someone's

telling me they're like, oh, well, you know, if you complain about this, you're just making, you're becoming, I'm not going to become a victim class and everything. I'm like, do you know the truth behind the fentanyl epidemic? Right. I mean, do you know the truth behind the opioid epidemic? That was targeted into small towns. Right. That was. targeted into the poorest and whitest areas. This all came out in emails. They called them pillbillies. They said that they were going to get them hooked. And these people are victims. I'm sorry. I'm not going to, just because my enemy uses that as a weapon, it still makes it true when it happens to my people. Well, and I would say, like, I'm not a victim, right? Like, I'm not hooked on drugs.

or something. I'm a middle class guy. And I think that's, but it's right. These people have been, they've been chewed up and spit out by a system that does not care about them and actively seeks to destroy them. They just, nobody cares about the plight of the white working class. Nobody. I mean, I think Donald Trump cares. I think J.D. Vance cares. I think that's because he came out of that system. It's interesting. Vance's arc is indicative. You know, the guy goes to the East Coast, all these fancy, you know, titles, big university, lots of money. He adopts, you know, basically liberal norms. Well, when he finally goes back home, it's like he's getting in touch with his roots again. And he remembers, that's right, you aren't really part of that class. You don't

really belong there. And you never will. They'll never accept you fully. To them, to those in power, you will always be a pill-billy from Ohio. And I think what you see is someone who's talented like J.D. Coming back home, reshaping his politics to align with where he knows he needs to be. And there's something very admirable about that. I really am impressed by Vance and by his willingness to change his mind. But, you know, I do. I think we need to stop this. I want life to be good for my neighbors. There's a big discussion about this among what I call the religious left on Twitter. You need to be nice to your neighbors and that means refugees, the New York Times says are the real Americans. And I care about my actual real physical neighbors who live here now. That's what I care about. I want

their lives to be better. They are, you know, I think there's so much, there's a lot of differences between me and them, and I don't think I should, I'm not going to lie about what that is. You know, most of my neighbors do not have PhDs. They're not trying to get one. That's fine. But what we do have in common is we live in the same community and we can be a peace with one another. Like my neighbors and I both share longstanding ties to America. And for better or worse, we are in it together and we deserve to be together. And they need people, my neighbors need me to do my work, which is to protect them from the enemies that are, they can't even understand. I mean, they're just taken completely by surprise. Like they, the people who just live, they're like, well, I'm living my normal

life. So why am I under attack? And it's hard for them to process just how all this happened. And that's why you need the unity. You need unity between these different, between the different classes, between just a standard like we this is our country we need to defend it we need to get along and we need to seek a joint aim and that's that's something to be aimed for and to be pushed as a political project and I'm glad Donald Trump is saying what he's saying he's helping make that happen and it's a good thing do they let him become president well he's going to win that I'll put my name on that but it's harder to say on that I think maybe I'm just a Pollyanna, but I do think he will win.

I think he will take office. But I think there'll be a lot of chaos behind the scenes and coming down the pike. I mean, the Summer of Love 2020 will be the model going forward. That kind of thing will come back. Do you think he, you know, he started using this term, his term that I've been using for a while. I'm sure he didn't hear it from me. remigration. Yeah.

Or reverse migration. Yeah, I have, I know people who are more deep into like the financial system, like the legacy financial system, the financial system that most libertarians and most people would hate. Yeah. And they say, basically, we are, the economy is going to, something really bad is going with the economy if at least 20 million aren't sent out, aren't returned. And they said it really has to be more like more like 40 million. Those numbers seem insane. Right. But does he do,

does he do it? Does he, is he allowed to do it? If he does it, does a civil war kick off? What the, what happens? Well, that's hard. I mean, like you said, it's so it's, that's where my crystal ball fails me. do I think he's going to try? Yes. I think he has changed since 2020, in 2016, especially. I think he gets, at least in part, I cannot simply just play ball with these people. They're out for me. The assassination attempts are not moderating Donald Trump. They're making him more firm and insistent. And I notice he talks a lot less about legal immigration. It's like these people got to go. And it's true. these illegals have to go, I estimate there's anywhere between 40 to 60 million in America now. I think the 12 million numbers complete. That's not real.

That's not real at all. They don't know. I think in the last three and a half years, my guess is they're probably averaging five to 10 million people per year. I mean, they don't even know. And they're facilitating a bunch coming in. They don't keep accurate records intentionally. There's all kinds of stuff that goes into this. So remigration.

well yeah there's a big numbers but if you think a lot of these migrants are drifters they are here to make money and to get benefits and if you make it difficult to do either of those things many of them will just leave or they're just they won't like being here and they're not going to come so you see i mean how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time and so i think the biggest thing trump could do is just tax remittance payments to other countries well you know if you go into san diego where i used to live, all of these, all they have always like, you go to like predominantly Hispanic Mexican neighborhoods. They've got these little, you know, corner store and it have a sign for Western Union money transfers in Spanish. The idea is you're going to send money back home using Western Union so that you

can pay your relatives in, you know, Guatemala or El Salvador or wherever it is you're coming from. If you just say that's just not going to work and we're taxing that at 90%. There, that's going to remove a huge incentive for these people to come. If you say, things like you have to use English you know other translation services will be provided you need to speak English for any and all social services welfare schools if your kid doesn't know English coming into the classroom they won't be taught and we're not gonna educate them point blank so that's just not gonna work if you make it like just basically like you need to do stuff if you're here even my basic

stuff these people are not gonna like it that they came to America to find a better life, which means making a lot of money relatively and being able to mill around and do stuff they find appealing. And so if you just make it difficult to do that, and you'd be like, you need to act like a citizen, you need to do stuff. You need to, hey, you have social duties. That's going to make people want to leave. And they won't want to come. And it means the people who stay in that system, they're going to have to adjust. They're going to have to become, they're going to have to make an effort to be decent neighbors. So I think it's a win all around and just it's toughness.

It's willpower. It's just being like, nope, we're not printing ballots in another language. Full stop. Not going to happen. No more. You know, by the way, if there's an illegal immigrant in your household, we are not giving you welfare benefits. Simply, all legal migrants who attempt to collect welfare,

you automatic justification for deportation, and we'll do it. And you just do stuff like mandatory English. And if you crack down too on the businesses with the E-Verify stuff, make it a human trafficking felony. And by the way, those are all white guys. So who is going to side with them? Who's going to sign? What federal prosecutors would just salivate at the, just at the prospect of putting some rich white guy business owner in jail. And so if you're like, hey, we're just going to let the brakes. We'll pull the brakes off. You're all going away. big fines and felony charges for human trafficking, the problem would solve itself very quickly.

I think people would be surprised at how quickly these people would find the ability to go somewhere where they like being. You know, life in their home countries, they're around people who are like themselves. And isn't that why nations form in the first place? They'll like, they'll, if they don't have the opportunity, if migrants don't have the opportunity to grift, they're not going to like it. And a lot of them will simply self-deport and the rest of them can be removed, you know, under the law. Yeah, I have a friend who used to do labor a lot in California, and he said that basically Obama just passed regulations, just wrote up regulations and he owes. And, you know, it made it easier for them to work if they were illegal. He said, you can do it to make it impossible for them to work, where you will just, you, you will just,

you know, whoever the employer is, you can find them out of existence if they start hiring people. It's not, you can make people, you can make people self-deport. It's just a matter of, you know, having the will to do it. And that's what, that's what all of this comes down to. Yeah. We can talk about, we can have the greatest plans. We can have, you know, just the greatest plans. And, but if you don't have the will to do this.

I mean, Buckele is the example. He just said, look, this country is the murder capital of the world. And if we don't fix it, who knows where this ends up? And he'd made a decision. And he cleaned it up. And now business is going there and people are going on vacation there. And so for all those people who, say, well, you can't figure. Well, yeah, El Salvador is a small place. The United States is a big

place with a lot of small places. Yeah. Small places can start cleaning things up and then you can work your way out. Yeah, and I look here at the state of Michigan. We, in, this is a deep red county, Hillsdale County, is like 75, 80% Trump. Over. I mean, there's no, there are Democrats don't even run for local office unless they're kooky. I mean, there's no prospect of them winning anything. and yet we see a difficulty for just putting criminals away here in Hillsdale County. And why is that? And it comes down to a lack of willpower. And I want Michigan to be a good place to live.

And I think we could just change it like that overnight. We could solve all of this. I mean, you're not going to make it perfect, but you're going to able to reduce everything. And I say, here's things that you can do. Make it a death penalty offense to smuggle drugs into the state of Michigan. We catch you with anything above a minuscule amount of cocaine or methamphetamines or heroin or whatever. Automatic death penalty. You're done.

No more drug time. Right away, it would all go away. I think the state of Singapore is, I think half the population of Michigan. Anyway, I ran the numbers at one point. Singapore executes something like 12 drug dealers a year. And yet, if you compare to Michigan, the equivalent of 3,000 people, it's, it's, it's, I think it's 3,000% more likely to die of an overdose in Michigan than in Singapore. Singapore's policy of executing drug dealers saves thousands of lives every single year.

It would say, I mean, just it saves lives. Like one drug dealer is worth something like 20 to 50, the overdose deaths of like, you know, if you execute X number of drug dealers, like 12 drug dealers, each of them is probably worth 20 to 50 overdose deaths, depending on the political context. who doesn't make that trade who doesn't make the trade to save 20 husbands mothers sisters brothers ordinary people in return from putting one scum of the earth drug dealer away permanently and it said that that would make my life better and is it harsh is it mean am i a mean person well i don't want to see my neighbors suffering from drug overdoses and if that means that we need

to do some hard things so that we can have a safe place to live then i'm going to do it i'm going to support it. I will support anyone who says, I will clean this mess up. I don't want, I don't want murders and drive-bys happening in my community. I want that to be punished. I want ordinary people to be able to live good lives. And you have to, again, it's all willpower. It's all willpower. And it means being able to face the criticism. I'm going to face criticism going forward. Absolutely. People are going to try and say that I belong to the worst. They will use every slur in the book to say that someone like me is a bad person. But in reality is, is I'm a husband and father and a citizen who cares about my community,

and I want to make it better, and I'm willing to do the hard things necessary to make that happen. And then, you know, come what may. Yeah, people make a lot of excuses. You know, how can parts of Chicago be the way they are, Canada, New Jersey, other places, in Birmingham, Alabama here. All it would take is the leadership of that community coming together in San Francisco. saying, we're going to sell some municipal bonds, and we're going to get in touch with Eric Prince. Right.

It's in a weekend. It's cleaned up in a weekend. Yeah, I would say every courthouse in America, we've forgotten what politics is, how existential it is. I think every courthouse in America, every county courthouse should have a gallows outside. To remind people of what politics is, voting is violence. When you vote, you allow the state to do violence on your behalf. half. And do not forget what that means. And that is a great quote. And it's, it's basically true. The libertarian was saying the state has a monopoly on violence. So that means when you see violence

happen in your community, it means it's in some way state approved. And it's like, yes. So drug dealers, gang members, murderers, you can put a lot of that stuff away. I think we could easily cut murder rate here in Michigan in half with like you said, with a snap of the fingers. and you don't even need mercenaries. You could just take ordinary people standing up for their rights and insisting. We're going to punish those who want to do harm in our communities. It makes life a lot better for all of us. I think that's a great place to end it.

You have anything to plug? Well, I'm just going to say people should follow me on Twitter. At J. Lippincott underscore. And then my substack regime critic, it's the place to go for the longer essays that I write. I write at American Greatness. So those are the kind of three big places people can find me. So keep pissing people off on Twitter, man. Yeah, I appreciate it.

It's fun to watch. Yeah, hey, I appreciate it. Pete, thanks for having me on. Yeah, take care yourself. Thanks.