The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1113: Post-Nuremberg Russian-Syrian Relations w/ Thomas777 - Part 2

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

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Thank you so much. I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanueno show. Thomas is back for more Syria and Russia talk. How are you doing, Thomas? I'm well, thank you. I'm not, it's been a minute since we recorded. So if I'm repeating myself, please correct me. I can't remember exactly where I left off.

I think we left off approximately where I was talking about some of the more recent scholarship on the 19703 war. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly where it was, yeah. Which has something of an outsized significance. It's warranted. I don't mean outsized in the sense that it's emphasized unduly. That really changed the regional security paradigm in the Near East.

It exposed a lot of IDF weaknesses. I mean, don't get me wrong. IDF, on the Egyptian front, that they performed exceedingly well. The Syrians, however, caught them lacking in some key capacities. You know, and one of the reasons why Israel was so fixated on Iran, admittedly, and then Yaw was very clumsy in the way he articulates propaganda. I mean, that's just a fact. I don't think that can be denied.

Ariel Sharon didn't have a lot of finesse, but Sharon was something of a military. military prodigy, at least in comparative terms. And obviously, Ninjahou doesn't possess that skill set.

However, the Hezbollah, Syria, the Syrian Arab army, you know, and the armed forces of the Russian Federation, you've kind of got to look at

all those actors as kind of operationally integrated. You know, there's nothing conspiratorial there. I mean, these are Israel's primary ops, okay? And, you know, like we've talked about before, and anybody who

isn't all knowledgeable about the conflict paradigm dynamics understands that Israel and NATO to varying degrees back, you know, these Salafi elements, okay?

That's something of a detonation strategy. You know, um, Because they identify their primary ops as Syria, Hezbollah, Hezbollah slash Iran. I mean, in all the name, Hezbollah is kind of the Iranian Foreign Legion. And the Russian Federation is part of that, is like an essential part of that constellation. And this goes way back.

And that's key to understanding the state of war and peace in occupied. Palestine and with respect to the Jewish state So they I mean Israel essentially has two problems They've got this internal crisis demographic crisis Relating to the fact that

Israel is a racial state You know And they've got this Unmanageable Majoritarian Population There's like super majoritarian population You know

It's not the strategic situation is not unlike there to the Republic of South Africa around the time of Bota you know when the when the kind of permanent emergency set in you know I'm not I'm not comparing Israel

to the Boer Republic at all unlike cultural or ideological or ethical terms anything like that but in terms of the military situation there's a parallel you know and So they've got this internal, this ongoing internal emergency. They've also got this geostrategic problem, you know, with respect to what they call the Shia Crescent, which, I mean, Shia are obviously very much the minority in Darl Islam.

But there's a critical, kind of like the Shia heartland, you know, is, is, um, I ran a, in Iraq, obviously, and it cuts across the region into Lebanon. You know, so it's, there's a, that's a very daunting,

that's a very daunting arrangement, you know, in a general war. It's a discussion for another time, but it kind of begs the question like why exactly Israel maintains nuclear arms.

some people argued it was a prestige and clout move during the Cold War being prevald he basically suggested it's like a Samson option sort of thing whereby people wouldn't let Tel Aviv

fall because there'd be this uncertainty relating to what they would do with these weapons of mass destruction I think that's a bit too imprecise like it's not really a military imperative. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

And Israel is kind of strange in the way they approach things, because they're a totally abnormal state. I invoke Ernstown a lot in discussions of dialectical processes

and things, but he was kind of reluctant during the Cold War to diagnose like then current strategic matters but the exception was kind of the case of Israel when he made the point that you know Israel is not really

Israel's not an anachronism in the way some people on the left would talk about it and still do to some degrees. It's not like it's this retrograde state but colonial power or something despite you know a lot of the a lot of the propaganda in the era to that effect.

It derived from the same kind of like dialectical process and like causal nexus, sociologically, historically, historically, ideologically speaking, is the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. Like, that's why it's so strange. I mean, obviously, Department of State

and the executive branch, they're constantly claiming it's a liberal democracy because that's just a floating signifier that suggests moral approval but even even were that not the case it would be difficult to describe what exactly Israel is

you know it just would be because it's it's it's um it's not just an outlier like North Korea is owing to its

geopolitic strategic situation and it's not like one of these emirates or one of these small countries or constellation of the sovereignty is that you know they ruled by a monarch or something it's something totally different than that and it very much belongs to the 20th century

and 20th century dialectic but um anyway kind of bring it back the consensus these days is essentially that the 73 War was a stalemate. Okay.

David A. Corn. He was a diplomat. Back when Department of State was still attracting quality people. And he's written a lot. He's contributed a lot of articles, especially to

publications like foreign affairs, things like that. He served for some time in Tel Aviv. as it was called the political officer and Hancho of what's called the political section. It's kind of like a halfway, if you're in that rule,

you're kind of halfway between an intelligence officer and a diplomat. You know what I mean? Everybody who's assigned to a diplomatic posting is in some ways an intelligence representative under light diplomatic cover, and everybody knows that.

But guys like corn, they deal more in diagnostic analysis and things. And they're not just going to cocktail parties and kind of trying to divinate, you know, palace intrigues and things. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th

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And he made the point pretty consistently that one of the reasons why the paradigm is so volatile, Israel Contra, the Shia Crescent, the states that constitute that you a strategic concept. one of the reasons that's so volatile is because you know the outcome was it's not

not only was there no clear victor on the Syrian front the outcome is poorly understood you know especially in Israel it was retrospectively deemed a success because there was some big there are some major kills scored by the IDF

In some cases, where they were pretty seriously outnumbered by combined arms. But the fact that they kind of convinced themselves of this, it led to a false sense of security, especially on the political side of things. The military, IDF, whatever its problems, its military is pretty serious because they have to be to sustain the status quo. you know and as people on the left they don't so much anymore because

the intellectual left is kind of dead but during the Cold War and even beyond even into the 90s they make the point that IDF is I mean yeah they've got a national service law in place you know so like young people get drafted but generally

they get drafted into support roles like you're talking about like special operations capable elements and like infantry elements you basically have to sign for that. And the guys who do, they're going to be pretty racialized in the first place. That's why

they want to do that kind of work. And you know, if they weren't before, it's going to become that way. You know, like they, there's no pretension in an army like the IDF of like, hey, we're apolitical. We don't, you know, take any position. We're just, we're just like

loyal to the state. And I mean, part of that is because of the fact that this, you know, the Israel find itself in a rossan creek. But part of it also is that you know, again, like Israel's not it didn't develop organically like a European country did or something.

So there's not this tradition of like an Israeli state that's, you know, like the post-medieval heritage of the people who live there or something. You know, Israel is the Jewish state. state the way it's configured isn't really important so long as it is capable of sustaining

that demographic balance and being able to perpetuate its demographic supremacy despite being massively outnumbered so you're not going to have I mean even if the just under those conditions like you can't I mean I guess I'm getting as you can't extricate those conditions and it's from like ideological imperatives, okay? So, that's probably a force multiplier in some ways, like when IDF actually goes into action. It can also lead to some bad outcomes because institutions like that,

particularly military institutions, where having the wrong opinion can be interpreted as like a breach in doctrine or something, it becomes this kind of like ideological, ideological ghetto, you know, and Ihood Barack, he's really the Israeli guy I pay attention to, okay? He's an interesting guy. He was a military man, you know, like career IDF type, and he's not a particularly charming guy, but he's really kind of been the only champion at Yitzhak Rabin's memory. You know,

Rabin, of course, was unceremoniously murdered in 95 by this crazy young guy who's like rotting in prison now. But, you know, I'm not going to say there was some conspiracy to whack

Rabin, but a lot of people were happy that that happened. And from that point forward, Israel became a one-party state. You know, and Rabin was going to Rabin was looking to commit to some way out of the

racial war. Okay? I don't think that would I don't think you ever would have seen any kind of like formally quality between the populations. Nor was Rabin just going to throw his hands up and be forced to enter the position that the clerk was in South Africa and just say, okay, we're you know, any man or woman a majority within Israel of Palestine

we're just going to have, you know, we're going to give them the ballot and see where the ships fall. That wouldn't have happened. But some kind of extrication from grand apartheid would have happened. Okay? But Barack,

Ehud Barack, he's the guy who made the point as well that really was keeping Netanyahu alive politically is the fact that swapping out the civilian executive or kind of like rendering it headless like if Dentiai was removed by no confidence or if he was indicted, which you may very well be

if and when this war results. But there's perverse incentives that kind of pursue like bad strategy is what I'm getting at, okay? And what Barack is getting it. You know, people turn around. I know what I hear from them. And they say, like, well, how is Israel performing so well if what you say is true?

Well, two things. Like I said, we're talking about basically two totally different conflicts that are related. And increasingly, Shia and Sunni are breaching the sectarian divide to tentatively cooperate against the common Zionist enemy but the Gaza situation and the situation

in the Levant and Syria are two different things I don't feel comfortable going as far as to say that they're just like two fronts of the same conflict I mean there's like a common nexus of causes but it's more complicated than that. However, you know, IDF got caught lacking when Hamas assaulted. I think I covered this on a pod, so if I'm repeating myself, forgive me.

But, you know, on October 7th, Christ, it's almost been a year. But when Hamas breached the barrier fence. They assumed that the lead element was going to get wiped out. You know, basically like a company-sized element, like store under the main line of resistance. But when they did that, there was nobody there. You know, like the Israelis were, it was like a skeleton crew that was not abiding any kind of alert deployment at all. Like some of them were literally sleeping. And Hamas just, like, wax them.

And then when they broke through immediately, Hamas, like, immediately started storming the breach with, like, as many men as they could get through as possible. You know, then IDF, like, swarmed drones on them and combined arms and sort of, like, hosing them with fire. But my point is, that shouldn't have happened in the first place. You know, that'd be like if when... That'd be like if when it became clear the Russians were going to, like, assault, you know, Don Bass to, like, relieve their people who were under pressure... there from these guys who were like supposedly like irregular as like as or very obviously you know um very obviously like acting as official um you know and in the service of the Kiev regime that it'd be like a point it became clear like

Russia was gonna assault these like as well guys and the Ukrainian armed forces like preemptively like assaulted them then like broke through the Russian mainline of resistance, like, ended up in Russia. Then, like, the Russians had to reconstitute, like, bring up their, bring their firepower to bear on them, like, in a form of, like, armor and, you know, like, hyperbaric artillery and stuff to, like, get the situation under control. Like, if that had happened, like, Putin would have been gone. You know, that's, that's a catastrophic fuck-up.

So, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying, like, like, oh, IDF is like a shit force because they're not. But there's real problems there, okay? And this isn't just like some like intelligence failure or something. But moving on. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items all reduced to clear.

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you know like I I'm not some expert I know something about Judaism like the like the faith I know something about their heritages of people I mean I do I'm not some expert on the internal situation in Israel but I do know that hardline Zionists are the kind who like sustain the military apparatus those people are aging and there's not a lot of young people to replace them. Like there is a hardline Jewish right, but more and more, it's

that's kind of be constituted by the people who are called correctly or incorrectly in colloquial terms, like the ultra-Orthodox. And they have a strange and somewhat contentious relationship with the military. I mean, Israel's got real

problems. You know, I mean, they can't be denied. So I don't doubt that you guys' testimony for a minute. Why would he lie about that? If he was going to try and make, if he was going to drop some kind of cap to try and make the situation seem less severe than it was or to try and make Israel look more cable heroic, he wouldn't say that. But, you know, the degree to which to, you know, Israel had to kind of,

Israel kind of had to win in Syria Okay, if they could have like knocked out Assad and like crushed the string Arab army and also like hit Hezbollah and like really really hard Because the idea's been smarting from from their fight with Hezbollah in 2006 for almost like 20 years now You know they really kind of needed to make a statement like that and if if Damascus had gone down in flames and Syria kind of became partitioned

they would have been totally fine with like these lunatic killers like ISIS controlling like some chunk of it you know then they wanted to like basically like create some like fake like Kurdistan like through like you know a swath of Iraq and like assimilate part of Syria into that and then probably like have some some zone that was like occupied by America but was technically like you know a DMZ or something or some kind of like free zone so it's like okay then like basically like they've sewn up they've sewn up their problem and also too then like the Russians can't access like their key port there like the Russian our Federation can't deploy there that would have solved like basically like that that would have solved like one half of the equation

you know and then they could have brought like full firepower to bear and um you know 100% of forces in being like to bear like on Gaza and there's really nothing anybody could do about it so the Russian the Russians really foobar their program like the degree of which they did like can't be overstated that's why like when I say to people like when I point out to them the fact that you know like the Ukrainian war is literally like a secondary front. I mean, it's not secondary to people there. It's a disaster and at scale. It's just like a the degree of suffering and and death is staggering. But I'm saying like to

Israel, that's like a secondary front where they can bring pressure to bear on Russia. And the fact that when I raise that the people, they look at me like, why would you say that? It's like, you really don't understand that Russia and Israel are like, like, hate each other. You know, they're like,

like literally like mortal enemies. You know, it's like the fact that Putin doesn't like call them the K word and like shake his fist in the year and call for them to be destroyed like, you know, like you sound like Arab strongman or something. I guess people are still literally minded.

They can't like compute this or something. But the fact that like, you know, Labrov isn't going around like calling for some like program of like Ukrainian jewelry or something. I don't know. I don't know how people can't discern this, but that's really what's so dangerous about this situation.

And that's also why NATO is being so reckless. You know, if it was just a question of we want to Merck the Russians and moving forward, you know, we want a forward deployment where we can, that's like farther east

and central vis-vis the you know the Central Asian landmass you know then then Germany is that America wouldn't be going about it in this kind of like just like catastrophically reckless way

it's because it's you know this is um this is a this is like a key front of basically of Israel's war to survive and perpetuate as like the Jewish racial state

you know um that's also what like Zelensky's in there, like out front. Like that, that's not good optics at all. And it's not just that the Ukrainian is of an alibi, like, oh, no, we're not,

you know, that this isn't some criminal psychotic regime. Look, we've got this Jewish guy out front who, you know, was involved in the entertainment business and, you know, we're a normal country. Like, that's not why they're doing it. It's because

there's no way there's no way some like goyish front man would be trusted there because he could any minute like he could flip even if he wasn't intending to that he could find himself in a Milosevic situation where suddenly like a bunch of band rights are like

look we're like tired of this you know like we're not gonna like we're gonna keep killing the Ivan but we're not taking orders from from his Zid as they call him but that's you know that's

and Syria is an important country and it's got an outsized significance. There was, I know your friend, he was asked, and forgive me, for being a little scattered, he was asking about why there's panzers in Syria and Lebanon. One of the reasons why, part of it is because of the peculiar dynamics of the Lebanese civil war that went on for decades. And the friends were kind of backing all sides in that war depending on, like, who had the upper hand, because that's what the French do. And the French shoved some panzers into the breach

on the Arab side. But there were a few dozen Vermacht officers who served in the court of Nasser as well as in Syria before and after the Syrian bath. conquered the political culture. And, um, the Czechs,

the Scota Arms Works, which is kind of like, the Czechs make great weapons. They're like the Transylvania Saxons historically, and like the Skoda Arms Works, that's kind of like the Czech counterpart to corrupt. That during a communist struggle of Slovakia, there are so many Panzers and like various,

like Warsaw Pact armies and adjacent armies. They started to, like, manufacturing replacing parts for panders. And also, too, obviously, that's what that's what these Vermock's guys were familiar with. You know, that's the armor they knew how to fight in.

And habituating yourself to a new tank model. You can do it if you're a skilled tanker, but it's hard. Franco, Spain, in in 1943, they got about 20 panzers. like Mark 4 Panthers that they'd ordered. And Serrano Sooner,

who was a great man, unlike Franco. And he was like a diehard national socialist. He was constantly looking for a way to get Spain into the war against the UK in an official opacity. And after negotiations broke down because Franco was like a ludicrous demands that were purposely sabotaged any agreement between,

you know the Reich and and Madrid um there was still hope and um the pandas that arrived like towards that end because people thought so highly a sooner and i mean German counter legion had like spilled blood on Spain I mean that was sacred you know these mark fours they got were like the same ones that like the panzer arm used they weren't these they were these like off-brand knockoffs you know they were real panzers and like most of them had never like been deployed anywhere So the Syrians got The Syrians got like a bunch of like Brand Spanking New like Mark 4 Panthers

And they also got some like yeah They also got some Yagpons or like tank killers Like what was called assault guns in those days So yeah like in 67 and 73 Like there was a There were panzers like assaulting IDF which is pretty pretty cool You catch them in the corner of your eye

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that's not exact but still cause you a couple a little bit. I mean, I'm people like me I you know,

I'm very much like an angla from a person. I mean, I'm I, uh, I realize proper Englishman and Scots like Peter Brimelo

who's like an awesome guy and he was like very cool to us and he there but I can tell you things that I'm like I can tell you things that I'm kind of like a little Ulster bastard and like that's not wrong but uh

I'm like a very angle of a person so I've got I think every I think every angle Saxon is something of like an an Orientalist so I find um

I find Eastern people's very interesting for various reasons. You know, as did guys like Johann Von Weir's, and a lot of these national socialist guys who ended up in these Arab states, it was twofold. And on one hand, they're like, okay, well, we've got to accept Cold War realities, but there's room to,

there's proverbial room to breathe in ideological and cultural terms in some of these places in Latin America in the Near East, and there's people who remain receptive to our ideas and kind of want to be shaped by our ways and uh they're also kind of like the shock troops contra-zionism you know um so there wasn't an ideological component to it there's an incredibly silly propaganda and cap like put out by guys you know about oh like you know Islamism is just uh it's just uh it's just this sort of anti-Semitic, you know,

Nazi conspiracy. I mean, there's, like, very stupid stuff to that effect. But there was and is ideological affinity between people like the Syrian bath and and national socialist. That's my reason why, like I, I mean, I like the Syrian

people. Like, I know a lot of Syrians, and I hold them in high esteem. I think they're interesting in, like, a cultured people. But they also, you know, if you, if you, some of these are with the Third Reich and what it stood for

you know the obviously like like a like I think too much Croatia it was the only it was the only true like national social state that existed after the day of defeat but like an adjacent political culture is like

is like bath to Syria like absolutely um so yeah I mean that's not to your point like it's not um that's not totally all or anything. But I'll move it ahead. I realize I'm getting tangential. But the, you know,

the Russians cultivated, I can't remember how much we got into it. I should have reviewed our earlier episode before, like yesterday this morning. So forgive me again, if I'm repeating myself, please call me on it. But, you know, the, the Soviet leadership, they really, they really cultivated Faisal Assad and like vice versa. you know, like I, the naval base of TARDIS, which is essential. It's the sole Mediterranean base for the, for the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet. To this day, that was a big deal. After the Soviet Union went down, the Assad and the Russian Federation worked out that this is,

like the Soviets have like permanent rights, like the TARDIS naval base. Um, you know, it's, uh, and it was, um, it was this, it was Assad's politic. And I mean, I take nothing away, obviously, from the game that's the Syrian Arab army and, and, and their toughness and their, and, um, their, their desire to win and things like that. But during the 73 war, you know, which, which Muslims called the Ramadan war, um, um, whites and Christians call it a couple of different things or just the 1973 war the Israelis call it the Yan Kippur

War but you know like we talked about there was thousands of advisors, technicians there were special operations that's a Soviet troops about 20 of whom died in action in 73

you know and over close to 4,000 tons of aid, you know, ammo, like ration packs, you know, medical supplies, like you name it. By the conclusion, by the end of October, you know, a cessation about still is immediately beyond the Soviet Navy, they see-lifted over 60,000 tons of gear, like weapons, again, like weapons, ammo, food stuffs, agricultural commodities to Syria to replace its losses. I mean, that's a huge effort, you know. And as we talked about, there was some tension from about 75 to 77.

I guess the Syrians directly intervened in Lebanon. there was this kind of tense minuet because of, you know, the PLO, the PLO, despite its, despite its, like, declared secularism, was always, you know, like a Sunni outfit. And the Soviets were really concerned about, you know, active hostilities breaking out between the Syrian Arab army and the PLO. Hafez Assad was able to smooth that over with skillful diplomacy but what really what really kind of solidified their relationship even in the midst of some of these

like interseen conflicts between Soviet allied elements was Assad unconditionally backed like the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan and he made a lot of people really upset by doing that. You know, like within his own, within Darla Islam, you know.

But it was the right play considering the circumstances. And it was also essential. I mean, building during the Cold War, like that kind of consensus building

across national frontiers was essential. You know, and it was the kind of last hurrah of that sort of war in peace diplomacy was Bush 41's like quorum that he gathered to wage

the Gulf War which was an incredible which was a master's stroke you know but that was I think of that is kind of the bookend of the Cold War and the entire paradigm and of course the physics side you know the Syrian era already deployed

you know to back to back U.S. forces And of course, America, how does America like pay that back by like trying to murder the Assad family? It's it's uncausal. Like it's, it's vile. I mean, aside in the fact that it's totally irrational, but it's just, it's just vile. Like, you don't do that.

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and not yet greeing in Aondon, and then the Gala to Ghaughan Tammell Faddeh. In Ergrid, we take the court in Woonaha with Fuenifunah. There's Ouschard who is doing to have again on the English, Gnough and Pubble tariff in Tashdie. There's a cooctew again, full of Nisimau to Ergrid Pongai. April 77, he made a state visit to Moscow

and he got an audience the president himself as well as Alexey Kasigen you know who were I mean basically got to meet the whole control group of the Soviet Union I mean for

for a small you know underdeveloped country that's that's pretty remarkable and um they signed a they put a pen to paper on what was called the Treaty of Friendship in 1980

you know less than a year after the Soviets assaulted in Afghanistan and that was that was not a that was not coincidental that was very much tailored to send a message to the world

and subsequently there became a permanent garrison in Syria of Soviet troops um you know not only were the bulk of Syrian weapons you know coming from Warsaw Pact

you know the Soviet Union itself the DDR Czechoslav Hungary, what have you, but also in North Korea. You know, like Syria, because there wasn't the only, the only Marxist-Leninist Arab state was South Yemen. You know, so having an ally in the Arab world, which again, Syria had and has something of an outsized. profile in conceptual terms. This is a big win for the

communist world. Even though the Syrian bath was not particularly sympathetic to doctrinal Marxist nationalism, but that, you know, that's that agree to which the Soviets became tolerant increasingly of what a lot of people would have viewed as kind of like a third positionist tendency that's really that's highly significant and of course that's the kind of stuff that guys like Otto Riemer

and George Smith of Eurek and E.C. Thompson and Francis Yaki I mean that was their whole that was their whole kind of diagnostic prediction you know and that's one of the reasons why they

they're just incredibly ignorant people who they like to bandy that there's some kind of quote third worldism. I don't even know what that means, but it, you know, within the extant paradigm of the Cold War, this made absolute sense for, you know, anybody who was on the, you know, on the national socialist or fascist side of things, you know, it's, um, it absolutely tracks. And Kerry Bolton, he's one of the only, um, he's one of the only, um, he's one of the only kind of

contemporary I mean he's an old guy now but he when I say contemporary I mean like somebody's active he's only sort of like too like dissident

like national socialist like um academic writers I take really seriously like he's great you know and I he's kind of an eccentric guy

some of his interests are kind of eccentric but I you know he's his is his viewpoint is closest to my own out of anybody who's kind of active in writing out

you know political theory and in national socialism and stuff in 2010 Medvedev became he became the first president of the Russian Federation to reciprocate and visit Syria. I think like I said before I can't

I cannot remember if when the Russians after if the Syrian of Army routed ISIS you know there was a

there was this parade for the the Russian contingent there reminded me of the Conor Legion parade it was I thought it was really cool I was I watched it on there was a YouTube stream that

came through live at like 3 a.m. And I can't remember if Putin was there or not but regardless it was you know the first state visit by a Russian Federation executive

it was mitigative and that was a big deal too and obviously in 2010 like less than a year later you know the Civil War kicked off and that that wasn't that

that wasn't that wasn't accidental you know Africanics, I can't remember if we're going to do this or not, but to understand the situation in Syria with ISIS, Al-Qaeda, al-Nus refront, the

Salafi terrorist elements who were assaulting the government. These guys were rapidly successful. You know, like obviously, they had deep support

you know above border or not from from Washington and Tel Aviv you know they the Syrian government by the time of Russian intervention

they could be set of control only about 26% of the country I mean they had Damascus and they had most of the built up areas but that didn't matter you know and the integrating

between Damascus and these kind of like outlying territories that were held by government forces and an adjacent allies it was they couldn't operationally integrate with the forces in being that they had

that's one of the things that the Russian Federation brought to the table you know Russia also they showed absolutely no mercy to these to these Salafi Islamists you know the um they were practicing a scorched earth um campaign against them but that's what so the most horrifying modern world footage I've seen is when ISIS they assaulted um they assaulted this suburb of Aleppo and they beheaded all the males you know from like little kids to like military age like teenagers boys to like old men and um it was like this forest of like heads like impaled on these

stakes and um these ISIS guys uh they were doing their um they were doing one of their afternoon prayers and um you know they were on their prayer mats like it's probably like a whole platoon of them. And there was just these heads. You know, like it's it is like something out of a horror movie. You know, I mean,

that's, those are the kinds of animals that American Israel were turning loose on on Syria as a dead nation strategy. You know, and um, so the Russians, I mean, God bless the Russians for like blasting those guys.

to hell. But, you know, the, that's probably the greatest victory, like battlefield victory. The, anybody, like, who should be, you should view as, like, an adjacent

element if your right wing. And if it's really, like, what the Syrian Arab Army, the Russian Federation and his blood accomplished, there. Other than Operation Storm, like when the Croats routed the Chetniks and, like, liberated Ukraine. That's, like, the only thing in my lifetime that was comparable.

So, when these, like, Demento internet guys, like, don't go outside or something instead of talking about what they love Ukraine, it's, I realize, like, how sick these fucking people are. And, like, I'm just, like, delusional. You know, like, they don't, they're, like, they're, like, they're either, like, ops were, like, masquerading as being, like,

right wing or they're just like or they're just like think this shit's like video games or something I don't know but you know I think the point again and again if you don't if you don't understand that like the Syrians are like your allies and this this isn't

international struggle you can't isolate it and say like I don't care what happens outside America like that's that this basic bitch like white NWords stuff but it's also like you're not in the game if you think these things occur in isolation whether you like globalism or not, it doesn't matter.

Like, it's, you can't ignore gravity. You know, it's the same thing. Globalism is like gravity. The power political paradigm you live under is like the weather. You can't change it. I mean, you can change it, but you've got to, like, work within its parameters. You know, like saying you're, you're going to take some, like, non-position along to some, like, ethical orientation that,

you know, you convince yourself, like, means you, like, reject, like, the prevailing, the prevailing order. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's meaningless in, and, in pliable terms. But, um, you know, the, uh, plus two, that's when the Russian Federation, like, finally drew a line in the sand, you know, and I, had they not, I, I, I, I think Russia would be an even worse shape today than, then, then, then it is. I'm not saying bad things are Russian people

I mean the Russians are in a desperate situation Putin said that like like Assad is not going down he said the bad regime is going to remain at all costs and that and he delivered on it

you know that's that's what's kept Russia alive as in war and peace terms you know like had the Russians just allowed Syria to go down, like they would have had a cascading effect of, of catastrophes. You know, you've developed certain instincts for identifying what events are going to have those sort of seismic, kinetic effects, and you order to believe if Damascus had fallen, that would have been one of those events. It's also, it was executed pretty splendidly, man.

You know, I'm, we've talked a lot in various capacities. And I recommend, you know, Subrov, he's most known for Icebreaker, but his book inside the Red Army. You know, it's about the state of, it's about the state of Soviet Army, you know, basically in the, in the later Brezhna era. and something that remains this day and something that preceded the

the Fultwick Revolution you know the Russian's big thing their big military science imperative is to do everything possible to like overcome fog of war issues you know situational awareness issues

within the battle space you know by eradicating uncertainty these. So they treat battle doctrine almost like a Western Army or like the U.S. Army would treat regulation. It's highly inflexible.

Okay. But for the way the Russians fight, it does work. And the combined arms the Russians brought to bear against ISIS, like cut them to pieces.

you know um and it was absolutely you know like a like like the Russians didn't just like rashly deployed

like I remember I can't remember his name he's he's that black guy on I don't even think he's on TV anymore but he was kind of like he was kind of like

mini me Lester Holt or something he was I mean not that Lester Haltz any great shakes but this guy was like he was kind of like the Bushley Lester Holt and he was he was talking to he was talking to like uber Zionist like

NATO Schill like idiot who was like a light current like a retired like light colonel or something and this guy was dropping cab about like well we saw in Chechnya in 94 the Russians can't fight it's like first of all that was you know 20 years ago you fool

secondly you know if if that was a state of the armed front of the Russian Federation frankly, wouldn't have been able to deploy a scale to Syria at all. You know, it's not like they would have been able to, like, arrive in the battle space, you know, deploy in depth, and then completely foobar the operation. I mean, they definitely could have lost it.

But, and I'm not going to suggest that the Russian army deploying to Syria is, like, something on order of the British account of the kind of logistical and miracle they did at the fault. Wednesday two or something, but it was pretty damn impressive, okay? And once they were able to essentially like immediately drop like, you know, 5,000 boosts on the ground and a whole gang

a MiG-29s and some kind of sexed-up, like Thermobarach artillery and things like that, it's like, okay, I mean, it appears as if like the Russian army's back. I mean, the Russian already performed pretty well in Georgia in 2008, but there were still problems. I mean, there's problems today, but the, you know, I, nobody who's not resorting the kind of callow propaganda, the very deliberate sort is going to say that, you know, the Russian operation in Syria wasn't impressive or something, you know.

But, uh, moving on. Um, yeah, it's, uh, the Russian, um, the chief of staff of the Russian Air Force, um, um, um, Jerry Grasimov, Valerie Grasimov. He stated in 2017, in 2017, like, in 2016, like said, 2017, there's kind of like this a big retrospective on the Syrian operation. And part of it was, you know, like a Russian flex. Like, hey, this is what we did.

Like, you know, Ra, Ra, we're back. We, you know, we, we're serious, you know, we're serious military power again. But they carried out, they carried out around 20,000 sorties.

Like, like, yeah, between like 18 and 20,000 sorties. and there was over 70,000 strikes on what Grasemov called the infrastructure of terrorism which what I take that to me is like a lot of ground assault type of stuff

you're like basically like his blood the Arab army going to action probably backed up by some Russian armor and artillery and then um like basically like the Russians that they like pounded the hell out of ISIS positions from the air you know like an immediate advance of that combined

ground element you know which it would then like encircle these positions with kind of like textbook like Warsaw Pact deep battle just like smaller scale you know and um basically treat basically treat the operation as like, you know, the advance of fire wherever possible. You know, like lay as much fire as possible

on the opposing force to kill it, you know, and even overkill it. You know, it's not exactly a lot of places to hide in the battle space. And there are some very serious fighting in Damascus, but I believe by the time, the armed of the Russian Federation arrived on the ground

I believe that it basically resolved you know the had the Russians had to route ISIS from demand I mean I it might be an improper counterfactual because like if ISIS was holding Damascus it's like what I mean that would indicate the war was over

but it point being you know they that wouldn't change things if that would have changed things if like Hezbollah was charged, basically. It was like liberating Damascus. I mean, like, what do you... That would have kind of neutralized

Russian firepower, too, unless they were planning on, like, leveling the city without regard to... Without regard to... You know, friendly attrition and things. But, um... Yeah, it's... Yeah, I, um...

I guess... Hang, we went about an hour. Yeah, I'm sorry that it's two... like heavy on the military side of things I'd like to I realize we still got a wrap of our Gladio series there's um

if you want to do like an epilogue of this I mean it's totally up to you obviously it's your show literally um there's something to be said for like the the Jackson Vanek Amendment and what led to its passing and the whole

kind of narrative of Soviet Jewry being like under threat and um you know the GRU and the KGB quite literally establishing a directorate to monitor Zionism I mean this

this is part of the equation um I mean there's a lot to the Russian Syrian relationship and just kind of like the Russian you know Russian enmity with with Israel um and we could definitely go like another hour on that if you want but it's totally up to you

um Just let me know what you want to do next. Yeah, let's finish. Since we're on this, let's finish this up. And then we'll come back and do a wrap-up episode on Gladiio and then figure out where you want to go from there. Yeah, that's great, man. All right. So just tell everybody where they can find your stuff and go.

Yeah, man. You can find me on a substack. That's what podcast content is. it's real Thomas 777 that's substack.com I'm doing some biweekly pods with Jay Burton who's like my homeboy. He's great. He's great. Like he really is. We're putting that up on Gumroad and having Burden do it.

Like I might be a total retard. I literally found Gumroad like fucking unusable. I spent like four hours of that fucking platform. It's not easy. It's like totally intuitive. it's not intuitive. There's always like redundant buttons that don't do anything and it's like it's like some fucking uh yeah it's like some crazy person or like some like lobotomized paget like programmed it or something so I get like four hours of this garbage I'm like what the fuck am I doing? I'm like I'm not gonna I'm like this it's I'd rather have a fucking root canal and like just let just let Burton do it he's young let him exactly you know it's not enough to do it

And the main thing is I love substack because it's literally simple as like point and click or like drag and populate. But they make it difficult. You can like add collaborators on substack, but it doesn't just like automatically like split revenue. Right. Yeah. It's a check out. Now we're getting inside baseball. Yeah.

Yeah. Check out. Check out Burns action on gum road. It's radio free Chicago. And I'll, I shout it out when we record new stuff, like on my substick. I like post a link and stuff as well as I'll pick up a link to it and add it in. Yeah, thank you. And yeah, I mean, obviously I'm on I'm on X, formerly Burb app.

You know, I'm at capital R EAL underscore number seven, HMAS 7. Here, Krieg has been, he's been visibly making some new swag for like our merchant. dice, which I think it's pretty cool, man. Like, I legit, like, I stand by it because I think it's cool. And people seem to like it. So, yeah, if you could, like, drop a link to the MRS stuff in the description, that would probably be cool.

But that's... Otherwise, man, I'm... I'm trying to get a jump on my... I make progress on my... My manuscript stuff. My long-form written stuff. especially because I'm going to have to travel a bunch this winter, which I didn't, which is fine. I'm blessed that people enjoy my company and want me to go places where they're hosting things.

But I didn't think I'd be like hitting the road again until like springtime. So I'm going to try and, you know, like the next month, I'm hoping I can have like a workable manuscript. It just takes time, especially when you got a process. properly like cite, you know, your data on things. But that's what I've been up on. Awesome, ma'all right. Until the next time, we'll wrap this and wrap up gladio and figure out where to go from there. Yeah, man, that's great. Take care, Thomas. Thank you.