The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1140: Viewing Trump from Afar w/ Constantin Von Hoffmeister

Episode Date: December 1, 2024

73 MinutesPG-13Constantin is the editor-in-chief at Arktos Publishing House.Pete is joined by Constantin to discuss his path to the right and some of the topics covered in his book, "Esoteric Trumpism."Arktos PublishingEsoteric TrumpismPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I want to introduce you to Constantine von Hofmeister. How are you done, Constantine? Pretty good. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me to a show. I'm really happy to be here. Oh, no problem. Why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? Also, I'm Consenting from Hofmeister.

Currently, I'm the editor-in-chief at Arctos. Arctos has been around since 2009 and is the preeminent publisher in the English language of, I would say, New Right and Traditionalist Literature. I mean, we published books by Guillaume Phi, Julius Evela. I mean, the classics, also new books by Alexander Dugin and various other new write authors, also translations from French like Dominique Vene, for example. And currently I live in Germany, but I've pretty much lived all over the place. Like I left Germany when I was 15, then I lived in the US for two years, went to high school in Arizona.

Later, I went to college in New Orleans. I lived in New Orleans for seven years, participated in Civil War reenactments, battlefields all over the south, like Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, all over, including Gettysburg when we participated. So there was quite an exhilarating experience. Yeah, and then also lived in India for three years. I was working for English language newspapers, like writing travel reports and interviews, and interviewing various illustrious people, including the Dalai Lama,

who was in New Delhi at one point, giving a speech about the spiritual relationship between India and Tibet, because we all know that Prince Sitartha, he came from India and brought Buddhism to Tibet. Even managed to ask him some questions. I was quite amazed, actually, that Dalai Lama speaks with an impeccable Oxford accent, so that was quite surprising. but a very nice guy I suppose. Yeah, and then I traveled extensively in India and other parts of Asia.

Yeah, then I lived in Moscow also for 12 years where I worked as a, I would say, business trainer where I was teaching various managers and directors of international and Russian companies. I know how to write proper reports and emails and give presentations, stuff like that. Creative stuff mostly. Yeah, in between I lived in Uzbekistan also for a year in Tashkent, as an elementary school teacher. So I was a third grade class teacher at a British private elementary school owned by Turkish people in the capital city of Tashkent.

So that was a very interesting experience. That was 18 years ago. So I turned 30 when I was in Tashkent. I'm 48 years old now. It was an interesting experience because, so my class consisted of about 20 students. Half of my students were sons and daughters of different ministers from the Uzbek government. And the other half were sons and daughters of different diplomats like people who were part of the embassy staff in Tashkent. But one girl in my class, she was a granddaughter of the president of Uzbekistan.

whose name was Islam Karimov. I mean, he died a couple of years ago, but he was very much alive when I was a teacher there. And his daughter, meaning the mother of my student, she was also the owner of the most exclusive nightclub in Tashkent called Katakamba. And coincidentally, this nightclub was in the same street where I had my apartment. So on the weekends, I would often frequent that place. And I would always be immediately invited to the VIP lounge.

get all the cocktails for free because I was a teacher of the owner's daughter, right? So I had privileges. I was also often invited to the president's palace to different diplomatic functions. So up was very interesting time. Yeah, also in Moscow, I had a lot of interesting experiences. I became acquainted with Alexander Dugin, yeah, about 20 years ago in 2005. Alexander Dugin at that time was not as well known as he is now, right? Because, I mean, now he's mainstream, in my opinion, especially in Russia. Like, he now is his own show on, like, I know, prime time TV channels and real mainstream newspapers, regular columns and everything.

I mean, it has a lot to do with the fact that his daughter was murdered that really put him on the map. But it's a very, I mean, tragic circumstances. In 2005, he was fairly unknown. I mean, in the West, he was completely unknown, and in Russia he was virtually unknown. He was completely fringe. But I had this American friend who was working for Dugin in Moscow at the time. He was managing the English translation of Dugin's website,

the Yvesa, the Eurasian website. And Dugin had planned to organize a conference, like a founding conference of the Eurasianist youth movement in the city of Alexandrov, which is maybe, I know, two hours from Moscow. The city of Alexandrov is not as big as Moscow, obviously, so it's more like a town, I would say, but it also has a Kremlin. And Ivan Krosny, more famously known in the West as Ivan the Terrible, ruled from Alexandrov for a period of time.

I don't exactly remember the historical circumstances. Why? But he ruled not from Moscow, but moved his court to the Kremlin and Alexandrov. And Alexander Dugin organized his conference in the throne room of Ivan the Terrible. So all the speakers were standing in front of the throne where Ivan used to sit. And behind the throne, they had put up a screen where they were playing Sergei Eisenstein's silent movie, Ivan Krosny about Ivan the Terrible without sound just as a background

for the atmosphere and my American friend he was invited to give a speech at this conference because Alexander Dugin wanted it to make it more international like international speakers as well and this American friend told Dugin about me so I was also invited to speak because

I'm a German speaker so to international guests so I actually spoke there I mean there's still pictures of it So that was a very good experience speaking in Ivan the Terrible's throne room. Yeah, and I met a lot of other interesting people in Moscow. It's a fascinating city. Traveled all over the country. Met my wife in Russia. Yeah, so excellent times.

And now I'm back in Germany for personal reasons. I mean, moved back here a couple of years ago. I'm not sure how long will stay, but we'll see. How did you get into... Like New Right literature, Guillaume Faye and Julius Avela, how did that enter your life? Well, that was in New Orleans in 2001, as a matter of fact. Like, before that, I was a complete liberal, basically. I mean, I was apolitical, so to speak.

And, yeah, I was interested in, like, modern art, like abstract expressionism. I was a big fan, Jackson Pollock. And my favorite artist, Cy Twombly. and the Dadaist movement, the surrealist movement, especially poetry. And I wrote a lot of poetry at the time. So I was obsessed with also the French symbolists, like Artur Rambo, Charles Baudelaire,

and Paul Valene, all these people, fascinated me. And also the Beatniks, right? I was a big Beatnik fan. I mean, that's, I mean, I, sorry, before I lived in New Orleans, I forgot to mention, I also went to college in New Hampshire

for a year for two semesters to Keen State College. The movie, Jumanji with Robin Williams was filmed in Keene while I lived there. So I saw the filming on Main Street. Just a little anecdote. But yeah, there I got into like the sort of hippie crowd, you know, the people who listened to like Pink Floyd and Fish, you know, was really big at the time. So I had the bell bottoms.

I still had long hair. I had three earrings. You know, like the 70s style shirts with a huge collar, all that. stuff. Also, you know, hung out with these people, doing what they do, you know, and reading all, like, the beating stuff like Jack Kerak, William Burroughs. Alan Ginsberg

always detested. I never liked him. I always thought it was really creepy, and his poetry pretty shitty, to be honest. I was always a big fan of Karak that really appealed to me, this free spirit and traveling all over the place while philosophizing about life,

death, and everything else. And William Burroughs fascinated me, because of his experimental writing style, because he invented the cut-up method. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. Are you, Pete? The cut-up method, is that mean? Is it where the story is disjointed?

Yeah, no, yeah, well, sort of. It was actually invented, I think, originally by Tristan Zara, one of the founders of the Dada movement in the 1920s in Switzerland. So basically what he did, Tristan Zara did, he took a newspaper article and he just cut it up basically into fragments, the sentences, and he put them all into a hat, and then he would pull them out at random and piece them together and create poetry out of this, basically. And William Burroughs basically perfected this method by writing whole novels, which are basically constructed out of extra. from other people's work, basically, by cutting them up, basically. I don't know, like Shakespeare or Lord Byron

and contemporary journal articles, and he would just piece them together to create like whole new texts. And I found this quite fascinating, so I was totally into it. And still when I lived in New Orleans in 2001, I mean, the Internet was fairly new at the time. And I didn't have a computer.

Smartphones didn't exist. so you always had to go to the university library, and there was a big, big room at the University of New Orleans where all the students would sit in front of computers, and there would always be people sitting next to you on the left and the right. And yeah, I would just do like, I mean, you were supposed to do it for school research, but I would just use it for fun mostly, and you could print out for free, like nobody cared. Like, I probably printed out thousands of pages of, like articles and stuff.

And I just came across, like, these nationalist websites, I mean, I said, like William Pierce National Alliance, for example, right? It was really, really still big at the time, 2001. So I became really fascinated with it for some reason. It's just my, I guess it somehow connected to my artistic sensibilities, like this whole idea of identity, which I had never considered before, that you could view it. yourself as part of something bigger. And this entity, this race or ethnicity, also has a mythical aspect that transcends mere materialism. And that's also how I got into Evala, I guess, because there were a lot of links in these websites. And then it was sort of like, they say, down the rabbit hole, right? And there was like a whole maze with different tunnels that I would

traverse and learn more and more about these things. And that started really in August 2001, so like one month before 9-11, right? And yeah, there was a website called European American Student Union, run by an American guy from Washington State, who also had invited Jerry Taylor to speak and I think various other people. And, yeah, I started communicating with him. And then I, through him, I met other people, and I visited him in Washington State, I mean, connected with the American nationalist scene. I mean, David Duke, for example, and also people from the National Alliance.

So I got really, really into it, basically. And I guess one thing led to another. And after several years, I discovered the Duganist writings also while I was still in New Orleans shortly before I graduated. And that also fascinated me a lot. national Bolshevism, the whole fusion of left and right, was very interesting to me. So that's why I decided to move to Moscow. That was the reason, basically, because of this. So I wanted to study Russian and basically meet all these people, right, that I had read about

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were selling is one that you wrote. And one of those titles that, kudos on the title, because it immediately makes people want to know exactly what's in it, esoteric Trumpism. So where were you in 2015 when Trump decided he was going to run for president? And then while he was running, where were you watching that from? And what were your opinions? What was going on? Well, I was in Moscow at the time. I was living in Moscow.

Actually, I had an apartment. I was living in an apartment right in the center of Moscow, pretty much opposite the Kremlin almost. And well, because the time difference, it was in the middle of the night, like when they, I mean, when the election was happening, when they were counting the votes and all that stuff. So, I mean, I could barely sleep, right, because I was really excited because I was following, like, the whole, like, meme wars on Facebook back then and all the other social media. And I was actively actively participating. So I was really excited, but I didn't have much hope, right? I pretty much thought, yeah, he's probably going to lose, like, everybody else because that's what everybody was predicting. But then, like, when I woke up, it was like 8 in the morning, like Moscow time, and they still hadn't announced who's president and they were still counting.

It was like a nail-biting thing, right? Because I had to get dressed, I had to go to work. I had like a bunch of students, adults, like computer programmers in some big office building that I had to go to. I had to take the metro for like an hour, the subway. So I arrived there, like, I don't know, 10 o'clock and still wasn't announced who's going to be president. And so I started the lesson. I was teaching the students, but every five minutes, I would look at my cell phone, and the students would ask, like, what are you looking at?

I said, I need to know. I need to know who won the presidency. He was going to be president. And, like, during the lesson, it was announced officially, that Donald Trump was going to be president. And I was so excited that I had to share it with the students because I couldn't hold it in, obviously. But they were Russians, or they were happy with me, of course.

So they were all laughing. It was all, it really wasn't a good mood because, I guess, in general, I mean, because Russians in general are very conservative, so I think they're more sympathetic to Trump anyway. Even back then, they were more sympathetic to Trump. And yeah, so they were happy with me. We sort of celebrated, you know, talked about Trump for the rest of the lesson instead of doing what I had originally planned. So that was really cool.

And then, of course, when I left the building, I was like, just, you know, how the feeling was back then, just very elated, so to speak, walking through the Moscow streets, talking the different people on the phone in the U.S. So a good time. And yeah, yeah, I see that. That must have been a lot of fun. Seeing it from afar and people who, you know, to people who are not really emotionally invested in it,

but, you know, I guess it's more of a curiosity. And, you know, I guess since the United States does dominate world politics, it people there everywhere have to have a, an interest and even feel like they have some kind of, there's some kind of skin in the game for them because, I mean, war, NATO, everything is, especially in that section of the world. Oh, absolutely, of course.

I would say that the Russians are probably not as emotionally involved, like in this presidential election as I say West Europeans, because I think American influence in Western Europe is, of course, much stronger than it is in Russia. I mean, Russia is virtually absent, right? I mean, there are no American basis. America does not really have any control whatsoever in Russia. So I would say Russia is a truly sovereign country in that sense,

both economically, politically, politically, and also culturally, in my opinion. I mean, there's, of course, American movies and stuff in the movie theaters and some American music on the radio, but you also have a lot of Russian movies and Russian TV series. I mean, Russian movies. music that people listen to. I would say they would even prefer listening to Russian music nowadays. So, yeah, the same is, of course, is not the case in Germany, for example. Germany is an American colony. I mean, it's not a sovereign country. It hasn't been a sovereign country since 1945.

It's an occupied country. It's an American vassal state, right? So, I mean, this is why, like, German politics has never interested me much because it doesn't really mean anything in the big picture, because Germany makes no decisions. It has no real influence on the world state. And I think what happens in America influences the entire West. I mean, whether you like it or not, it's just the way it is, right? And this is why I think Western Europeans have a lot of skin in the game. And I was really emotionally involved both like in all three elections, 2016, 2020, and the recent one, right? Well, I guess the only thing is I worry about what I, okay, well, I,

Okay, first of all, you mentioned that Germany is occupied by the United States, and I would say the United States and Europe are occupied by a foreign power to us, a foreign ideology to us. So I think we're basically all in the same boat, although the United States being so powerful and the outcome of World War II, that's why Europe seems more like colonies of the United States. But the United States, but the United States. States to me is like this gigantic force that is is still occupied. I mean, we're still occupied by the same people who are pushing all their influence upon not only Europe now. They're pushing it into Ukraine and pushing it into, pushing it upon Russia, too. So I think if I was

Russian, I'd be worried about who the United States president is solely for how their, what their, what their attitude would be towards. you know the country towards Russia but towards the Russian leadership. Oh of course I completely agree with you and I think I mean the fact that Trump won the second time I mean this year made a lot of Russians happy I mean I did a podcast with a Russian friend of mine in Moscow and he was telling me that like that even the day after the election in Moscow like people were smiling and you know sharing all the Trump means on on their phones talking about it in the cafes and everything and I have a lot of friends in Russia and they also send me a lot of messages,

you know, how happy they are. And I know officially the Russian government did not, of course, officially endorse Trump, right? And they even sort of endorsed Kamala because, I mean, I think it was like a ruse. I mean, that's what they said, but I don't think they really meant it. Because they said, well, with Kamala, we know what we're going to get. It's just going to continue like Biden, so it's not going to be something unexpected, et cetera. But I think in reality, of course, also wanted Trump to win, it's pretty obvious. Right. I mean, also because Trump promised to end the war

and promised to end, to send military aid to Ukraine and therefore stop escalating the situation there. Yeah, so I think you're absolutely right with what you were saying, that of course, the Russian government is very interested, always who's going to be the leader of the Western world because that's the person they really have to deal with.

Let's get to the subject of the book. I noticed from reading the introductions, obviously this came out this year, but before the election, well before the election, reading James Kirkpatrick's forward to it, seeing that he, his take on it,

but you could still see that I think he's writing in February or March, and he's anticipated. participating Trump's in the lead. Can Trump be president? But taking into consideration that you cared enough to write a book about him, what was your opinion of what was going to happen this year as far as the election? And did you think that let's go before July 13th, which is, you know, going to be an infamous day because of, you know, the speech in Pennsylvania, what did you think? Did you think he was going to win? Did you think they were going to steal it from him?

Was the fix-in? What was your opinion? Well, I didn't have a fixed opinion, to be honest. I was vacillating, right? So I thought at first, like, when the book was published, I was very optimistic. I was very confident because I thought that he had a lot of support in the United States, especially in the heartland,

what is considered a flyover country. I mean, obviously not in the state, New York, Los Angeles. but I knew that in the majority part of the United States, in the parts that actually matter that he had, I mean, definite support. So I was very confident also when you saw all the rallies with all the people, you know, like cheering for him and compared it to the rallies that the Democrats staged. I mean, they were way more impressive. So I was very optimistic.

Yeah, but as time went on, I don't know, I question my optimism. So I thought, you know, like, I don't see any kind of, I know, procedures being initiated from the Republican side to stop some court of shenanigans that the Democrats might pull like they probably did in 2020, as many people allege. So I became a bit disheartened. I was like, I mean, what if the same thing is going to happen again? Like in 2020? I mean, it might, right? That's what I thought. then nobody's going to do anything about it because they really can't.

So, yeah, but then I became optimistic again because of, like, really the grassroots support, especially after the infamous incident in July. I mean, and when Elon Musk started supporting him, and then you had RFK and Tulsi Gabbard, and then it became, like, much more than a right-wing movement. It became a true populist movement. So basically the populists versus the establishment versus the ill,

elite, basically. Because you can't really say that Trumpism as a movement is right-wing or even strictly conservative anymore. I mean, it has transcended all boundaries, in my opinion, with the inclusion of all these people. Because you can't really say that, I mean, Elon Musk is not really right-wing, and neither Stalzer-Zicabber to RFK, but all three of them have really prominent positions in the movement now. And all three of them are very valuable members of the Trumpist movement, in my opinions, are necessary ones, especially if you want to avoid something like World War III. So you need as much support as you can get from all sides. And this is what made me really optimistic again. So a short day before the election, maybe several

weeks, I was pretty sure he was going to win. Yeah. And then obviously he wins. I had one thing that I had been tracking was the removal of dead and ghost voters in many states. Like Pennsylvania had removed 400,000 names from the voter rolls. They did the same thing in Virginia. He lost Virginia. They did the same thing in a lot of states. And so that's what made me think, well, maybe that's the way they poll. it off the last time, and that'll help this time. And plus, I'm just being here and being on the

ground, it just nobody's support. I mean, I know I live in Alabama, but I have people contacting me from the deepest blue places, and they're like, I don't see a Kamala sign anywhere. There's no support. No one's talking about this person. So I figured the only people that were going to vote for Kamala were the people who would vote for Kamala. They're just going to by default vote for Kamala and that basically everybody else is going to vote for Trump. And I mean, I think that's probably the way it turned out. You know, I think maybe maybe some independence swung for Kamala because they're oh, Trump is, you know, too bombastic. He's divisive. We don't want that. But I think enough people were upset with their groceries tripling in the last four years and

gasoline going up $2, that they were just like, screw this, we're just going to, we need change. And even though it's really not changed, because we know what we're getting, we're going to go for it anyway. Yeah, that's exactly what I think. And I also think that a lot of people

are just really sick of the woke bullshit that the Democratic, I don't know, establishment keeps shoving down people's throats, whether they like it or not, like all the transgender stuff, the LGBTQ, the hormonal treatments and the BLM riots, Antifa riots, and I know, critical race theory, unisex bathrooms or transgender people using women's bathrooms and like weird cross-dressing generals in the U.S. military, making the United States basically a laughing snob in the whole entire world.

So, I mean, and it's become too cartoonish, I think. think. And I think it just didn't fly anymore with a lot of people. People just couldn't take it. And I think, in my opinion, it's probably also one of the main reasons why so many people voted for Trump, because he is adamantly opposed to this woke insanity, basically. And also think that Elon Musk helped a lot, like in the end with X. Because X is definitely the number one social medium, especially in the United States. in the entire West. And it is extremely influential. And the fact that he took control of it

and basically allowed, I mean, semi-free speech, because of course it's not total free speech, but total free speech does not exist. But, I mean, speech on X is still freer than on other social media. I mean, that's a fact. And I think that also helped a lot.

And I think RFK, and like I said earlier, Tulsi Gabbard, also pulled a lot of Democrats into the Trump camp. especially the anti-war crowd. Because people said, well, we might disagree with pretty much everything that Trump says, but we don't want to die in a nuclear Holocaust. Right.

So he's still a better choice. Even if they say, okay, maybe Kamala has better ideas, you know, with, I don't know, gay rights and, I know, social health care, et cetera. But we still don't want to die. So we're going to vote for Trump anyway. I think that's another reason. Let me ask you something specific to the book then. I think, you know, I think we can agree.

Another reason why he won is because of immigration. Immigration into this country is just completely insane. And especially the things that started coming out with Haitians being imported in here in Mos, like, in the last, you know, three or four years. And once that started getting out, I think people started freaking out. And even people who would normally, that wouldn't be their hot button issue. I think it became their hot button issue. it's obvious that Trump is not a white nationalist. He's an American.

He's a Civil Rights Act American. He's someone who wants to see America be prosperous. It doesn't seem like he really cares who does that as long as they love the country. But you also talked about in your book and remind people it's called esoteric Trumpism about America's race question. So what do you, how do you think that all types? in with immigration and people wanting immigration stopped or at this point many people people just saying it needs to be reversed and we need to see remigration yeah and Trump even mentioned the word remigration in one of his tweets which I found very interesting

because the whole topic of remigration is extremely popular I mean especially in Europe because you know the Austrian guy Martin Selna he also spoke at the American Renaissance conference, he popularized. He even wrote a book called Remigration, which was on the German Amazon bestseller list number one for like weeks, right? I mean, insanely popular. People call crazy all this word in the media here. I'm not sure if it's the same in the US. I mean, I know deportation. People talk about it all the time, mass deportations now, which is great, of course, right? But like you said, it's not enough. Because even if you deport all the, if you deport all the illegals, which is, in my opinion, not even possible, right?

Like, logistically, it's very difficult. And I don't think he will deport 20 million personally. I mean, he definitely will deport some, but he's definitely not going to deport all of them. I think because he can't. Like, he can't build the wall. He can't build a proper wall. How can he possibly deport 20 million people?

I mean, if he was the king or the emperor, he probably could, but he's not, right? He's not that powerful. So they will throw all kinds of obstacles at him, of course. Yeah, so just real quick, because you mentioned the Haitians. It's pretty funny, because when Trump mentioned, they're eating our cats and dogs, I mean, that was so hilarious. I don't even know if it's true, right, because I hear different accounts, but it's just so funny.

I lived in South Florida for 19 years, and South Florida has the largest Haitian population outside of Haiti. It may even be bigger than Haiti. That's very real. Right. Well, I believe it. I believe it, right? I just thought it was funny that it became such a huge meme, especially with that song. And it's because my daughter, she goes to school here, to high school in Germany. And she has no idea about, like, Trump or politics, you know. I mean, she was 12 at the time.

And even she came home, like, one day singing this song. And she had no idea what it meant or where it came from. She just thought it was some cute, funny song. So I thought it was quite hilarious, to be honest, how far it has. like this meme. Well, talking about Derey's question, because in my book, I take a sort of contradictory view of the matter, right?

Because on the one hand, I think America, I mean, was founded originally as a white republic. Yes, I mean, if you look at the founding fathers and look at their writings, their speeches, et cetera, and what they actually said, I mean, it's pretty obvious that they wanted the United States. States to be a country that was reserved exclusively for white people, right? I mean, Indians weren't citizens until the 20th century.

I mean, neither were blacks or any other racial group, as a matter of fact. Even women weren't considered like full citizens, you know, with all the same rights until quite late in the game. So pretty much like a white male dominated republic. I mean, that was the idea. In my opinion, a beautiful idea, right? Unfortunately, it didn't work out, as we all know, because you had, I mean, 1965, when it all went down the toilet pretty much, right?

I mean, you had great people in America, like great race scientists, people writing about race, like Lothrop Stoddard or Madison Grant, who were actually so influential at the beginning of the 20th century, like in the 1920s and 1930s that even the national socialist, regime was actually heavily influenced by these people, right? And published German translations of Lothrop Starr's book, Madison Grant's book. And they envisioned sort of like a white, say, Faustian America, an America that is built on just the will of the white man to construct something out of nothing, to create something.

great and then always go further to explore and conquer new frontiers. First it was the West and then later on it became the space race, you know, always further. I mean, it's inherent in the white man, this drive, obviously, this Faustian impulse. But Oswald Spengler, right, the German philosopher who wrote the famous book, The Decline of the West, also in the 1920s. So 100 years ago, he already said the West is on its way out. So Oswald Spengler compared civilizations to organisms.

They are born, they grew up, they're mature, then they grow old, and then they die. And he pretty much said the West is already in the senile stage. It's already like close to death, basically. And that was 100 years ago. Imagine, right? So even before World War II, I mean World War I was over, he had already five.

this. So basically, he said that the Faustian impulse is basically a sign of a declining civilization because he said first you have cultures. So when they blossom, these organisms, they are cultures. And when they enter the stage of decline, they become civilizations. So civilizations are already senile cultures, basically. I mean, decaying cultures. And this is where, I mean, he said, and the Faustian drive is basically already a sign of decline because you're not satisfied with what you have. So it has a dark sight, this Faustian impulse. So going back, sorry, going back to the race question, but a bit sidetracked here. So the Faustian impulse is part of the white man's nature.

Everything was perverted in 1965. So now America is a multi-racial, multicultural country. It just is. It's a fact, right? I mean, you can say what you want, but it still is. So, I mean, what are whites now like about 50%? I guess? Or it's still about half.

I mean, it's not enough, right? I mean, it's not officially a multi-ethnic, multiracial, multi-confessional, multi-everything country. I don't think it's ever going to go back to a white majority country. It's not realistic. I think it cannot be done. I mean, I'm quite pessimistic and black-pilled about this. But it doesn't mean that you just have to give up and everything's over, right?

Because I believe that you can have a sort of ethno-pluralist solution possibly. And I mean, I was in Los Angeles, for example, in March. And I find Los Angeles quite interesting as a city. I consider it as like an example of a Western city of the future because it embodies the ethno-pluralist principle because you walk around and you have like, I don't know, Korea town, China town, Little Tokyo, you have the Mexican part, and they're all very self-contained. Like, you don't see a lot of intermingling going on.

I mean, just from my first observation. That was New York City 50, 100 years ago. I mean, you had West German neighborhoods. I mean, you had like southern German neighborhoods where, you know, people who from the north of Germany didn't come in there, but the North German neighborhood was two was two blocks over. Interesting, right. Yeah, but don't you think it's still true in America today, though, that people automatically self-segregate, I mean, mostly.

Oh, absolutely. As long as they're allowed to, as long as they're not engineered into some kind of, you will see engineering in certain parts where they'll try and integrate. And, you know, whenever somebody does a, what do they call with a gentrification. You never 100% get rid of the who was there before. So, but yeah, I think left to our own devices. I mean, the town I live in is there's a black population here,

and they live in their own section as compared to where all the other European whites live in their own sections too. Of course. I mean, it's like this everywhere in the U.S. I mean, just also from my personal experience, I traveled extensively in America. And I think the only thing that you need is freedom of association, basically, right? Which in Europe and in the U.S., you don't really have anymore because it's been banned. So, I mean, once you can regain true freedom of association, I think then you have a lot of opportunities to, I don't know, perpetuate your race, your ethnicity or your own tribe.

your group basically. I mean, for the people that truly want to, right? Because not every member of your race or your ethnic group wants to be really a part of it. A lot of people prefer to live in, I know, and I say, mixed race, marriages, and they have no problem with it, right? And if you have freedom of association, I should have a right to have their own communities

if they want, why not? So, I mean, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to that, right? Because you can't enforce association. You can't force people to prefer one group over another. It's just ridiculous, right? And you can't enforce affinity. Like, if you just strongly dislike one certain group, for whatever reason, you should have the right to dislike the group, right? As long as you know, obviously, as long as you don't turn violent against that group or aggressive, you know. It's like, I know I like, I like, Some people like Coke, they don't like Pepsi.

I mean, it's just the way it is, right? So you can't force them to drink Pepsi. Yeah, I think a lot of the people on our side don't get that. Like, there are people in this country who they will marry somebody outside of their race. And they're not even thinking, they're not doing it on purpose. They're doing it because they haven't been taught. That's, it's just not a consideration that they would just, stay within their own race. And then when they do it, they automatically get it. If, you know,

say they go on social media and someone finds out, oh, they married an, you know, this white European married an Asian woman, they immediately start attacking them. And don't, what do you expect when you attack somebody that you're going to, first of all, that they're just going to like immediately break their family up and leave their wife and everything. So basically all you're doing is beating them up. And then they're going to be on your side. No, basically what you're doing is, you're doing is, You're saying, okay, you're my enemy now because you did this. You betrayed the white race when they act like it was like, oh, I'm going to do this to betray my ancestors because, you know, fuck my ancestors.

And I don't. I don't know. My impulse doesn't make any sense. I find it totally ridiculous, to be honest, because, I mean, so-called race mixing has been going on for hundreds, if not even thousands of years, right? I mean, you had like all the Spanish conquistadors, like a large percentage of them took like Indian wives in South America. I mean, a lot of the North Americans took Indian wives and I don't know, black wives, etc., Chinese wives. I mean, to be honest, I have no problem with it.

I don't really care. I would never demonize anybody for their own personal choice inmates, right? Like if you choose to marry Chinese woman, like, why should I criticize you for it? I mean, you are the one that's going to live with that woman, and if that woman makes you happy and you have a happy marriage, like I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I find that grotesque to even discuss to be honest. I think the only problem I have is that the establishment, like the mainstream media, they're pushing this agenda, right? because I find it perfectly normal, right? But what I don't find normal is this, this grotesque pushing of this race-mixing agenda

on all media, basically, in all commercials. Like, you barely see, like, I mean, I think in the U.S. or in Germany, or in the entire Western world, the mainstream commercials, you, like, never, ever see a purely white couple anymore. It's either a black man with a white wife or a white man with a white man with a Chinese wife and always mixed children, always, always every single one of them. And I mean, this is obviously done by design, right? And I mention this in my book, by the way, esoteric Trumpism.

I think Netflix is another good example of this. I mean, it all goes hand in hand. This is also this falsification of history. It's a totally bizarre. Like you have these, like Pridgerton is this TV show. I'm sure you probably heard of it. It's very popular on Netflix. It's like 19th century.

England except the queen is black and lords are all kinds of different races, you know. And of course, it was never like this, as we all know, right? It was almost 100% white country at the time with a few, I don't know, non-whites sprinkled in. But now kids watch this TV show, right? And they will think that's how England was 150 years ago. And so if it was like this 150 years ago. Why are these crazy right-wing people complaining about all the, I mean, non-Europeans on the street? Because, I mean, don't they belong here?

Weren't they always here? I mean, I just saw it on Netflix. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I don't subscribe to many conspiracy theories. But this is definitely a conspiracy. I mean, it's just too obvious to me. And this is what I don't like, because it's not natural. It's being pushed artificially. Oh, and I'm sure the people who make this quote unquote art, if pushed upon, they'll admit it, especially the people who are making the commercials.

You know, I'm one of these people who believes that left to their own devices, people are just going to gravitate to their own. They're going to, you know, whether it be a mate, whether it be anything, you know, anything, I think that a lot of, you know, people marry outside of their racing college. They meet people in college because colleges are such mixed groups and everything, and on the job, obviously. Most people meet their mate on the job. But it is being pushed, and one of the things by pushing it, it becomes normalized, and then people don't think about it. A lot of the guys on our side are like, well, don't you want, you know, wouldn't you, don't you want your kid to look like you? And I think everybody would if they thought about it. But it's so pushed and everybody gets so brainwashed.

by it that there's, you know, that, well, I mean, no, there's, you know, everyone's the same and, you know, a 65 IQ Somali and a 125 IQ suite are the same, basically, because we're all people. And, I mean, we've been brainwashed into that for a century now, you know, at least since World War II. So, I mean, unless somebody is actually pushing that, I'm going to cut them slack and I'm not going to yell, I'm not going to yell at them unless they're saying, oh, no, this is what we have to do. You know, white people need to do it. You know, white people need to marry, you know, people of color or people from Asia or anything, then I don't, I mean, that person is obviously being subversive.

But somebody who just meets somebody and, you know, falls in love with them, what are we going to beat them up in the street because of it? Well, no, well, we just beat them up online because we're anonymous and, you know, no one can smack you in the mouth for saying something. Well, I completely agree with you. 100%. And I also find it very distasteful, like, certain people online attacking Chady Vance because he has an Indian wife. It's disgusting, in my opinion. I mean, I think Chady Vance is one of the greatest men that America has at the moment, and he's extremely important. I find him more interesting than Trump, to be honest. I mean, I read his book. He'll be the allergy, where he talks, like, literally about the plight of the white working class and the Appalachians. And I listened to a lot of his speech. read a lot of his stuff, saw his debates and everything. He's extremely smart and intelligent.

He's a traditionalist Catholic to boot. He's 100% on our side. And the fact that he's married to an Indian woman does not bother me, one iota, to be honest, not even a little bit. So I don't understand these people at all. And I'm quite opposed to this practice. I mean, for, I mean, this practice of personally attacking people for their personal choices. I would never engage in this ever.

And yeah, like you said, the problem is it's being pushed and being normalized, because if it wasn't pushed or normalized, it would still happen, but not on such a massive scale, right? And that's how it always was, because you always had a certain amount of mixed-race couples, even in Victorian England, but not as many, and they weren't vocal about it, and they weren't so visible, and there was a difference, and even back then nobody cared about it, right, because there were so decent human beings. That's my opinion. A good example, by the way, talking about the establishment and pushing this narrative.

It's the Lord of the Rings, right? Because, like you said, if this stuff is not being pushed aggressively, then people usually gravitate towards their own, which is completely true. And this is the reason I think that Peter Jackson's trilogy, The Lord of the Rings, was so insanely popular. It's because it was an all-white cast, basically, because it is based on purely North European mythology, right? And northern Europeans happen to be all white. And people just loved it, right, because it really reflected who they are and they saw themselves in it. And it was just beautiful.

And now you have the new version by Amazon and now you have, I know, Black Hobbits and Chinese dwarfs and Hispanic elves and whatever. And people just don't want to watch it. It's being a lambasted left and right, and rightfully so, in my opinion. And it's, and yeah, they're losing money these studio, same with the Star Wars and all that stuff. But they still do it, which means ideology for them is more important than business, obviously. Well, there's something that's never been mentioned on my show before, and I've never even thought to, it's never across my mind to do an episode on it, just because there's so many things I can do an episode on, I always forget about it, but Guillaume Fe's concept of archaeo-futurism,

and you talk about it in the book, you have a chapter on it. relating it to Trump in the, let me see what the title of the chapter is, Trump and Archaeo-Futurism, a reflection through Guillaume Faye's visionary eyes. Can you give everybody an introduction into exactly what you'd be talking about there? So Guillaume Fai was a French philosopher, one of the most important representatives of what is called the French New Right, started in the late 60s and early 70s. He died a couple of years ago, unfortunately.

Well, his most famous idea is called Archaeo-Futurism. And the word itself, Archaeofuturism, consists of two parts, like you have Archao and Futurism. And it was revolutionary at the time, and it's still revolutionary now, because what he advocates is that we should basically not condemn technological progress, because he believed in the Faustian spirit of Western man that we discussed before,

and he thought it was in the nature of Western man to always go further and discover new things and invent new things. And he said we should embrace new technology, including space travel. And he famously said that all, I mean, most of the NASA rockets and spaceships are named after European pagan gods and not Jesus or Jehovah, right, Moses. And he said it was very symbolic of the purely European spirit that drives endeavors like colonizing space. And he said it's very important not to fight against this, like some people on the right do today. Because you have certain people, traditionalists, that are totally opposed to any kind of modern technology. They think artificial intelligence is satanic and should be banned and space travels. space travel is stupid and evil, and we should just focus on our planet and celebrate rituals in the forest or whatever. Right. So P.M. Faiset, this is all nonsense. We must embrace technology. We must embrace progress.

But at the same time, we must value our heritage. And that's where the Archaeo part comes in. So basically, we need a fusion of technological advancement and ancestor worship at the same time. Because he said you can easily create a link from, say, another, the Roman Empire, the Creek City States to colonies on Mars, because it's the same people that do it with the same spirit and the same drive. And as long as you see the line of ancestors behind you that led to where we are today, then you are acting in a traditional manner and you're honoring, I mean, you are people, your ethnicity or your race. And I think his solution is extremely valuable, and I should be followed in my opinion. And it's quite interesting because I managed the Arctos account on X.

And I posted this image on the Arctos X account. It's like some Greek temple with like some spaceships in the background. And I just wrote Archaeo-Futurism at the bottom. And even Elon Musk liked it, and he commented on it, right? and immediately got like, I don't know, five or six hundred thousand views as a result. And again, this makes me very optimistic because, and this is how I tie it into Trump, right? Because you have a person like Elon Musk now. And Elon Musk is basically the Howard Hughes 21st century, right?

Like he's a true, I mean, it doesn't matter if you agree with what he says or certain with ideological viewpoints. It's quite irrelevant in my opinion. But overall, he's a truly Faustian visionary. And I fully endorse his idea to colonize the rat planet. I think it's extremely important. Actually, in my opinion, and importance, it supersedes almost everything to become multi-planetary for many, many reasons. And to have this person in the Trump administration, together with a person like Chady Vance, who's a traditionalist Catholic, I mean, not the mainstream Catholic,

automatically somehow makes this administration an archaeo-futurist one, in my opinion. following certain presets of Guillaume Phi, and I think if Guillaume Phi was alive today, he would have definitely endorsed what's going on right now in American politics with a new administration coming in next year in January. Well, we're coming up on an hour, but I wanted to get this from you because, you know, the election is over. Trump won. Unlike last time, he, like, immediately put his cabinet out there.

He's like, we're going to get people, unlike 20, 16, we're going to get people in places, get people working, start whatever their plans are, whatever they're doing behind the scenes. From what you've seen so far, you know, you're somebody obviously who has, if you're going to write a book about Trump, you've been studying this man, what do you think happens from here? What do you think, you know, considering everything that's going on in the world, everything that's going to fall into his lap immediately. What do you think happens with him? What do you see the next four years going? Yeah, this is one of those things. It's really impossible to predict. I can tell you what I want to happen, right, and what could happen.

So I think, it's just my personal prediction here. I think Trump 2024 is a lot more radical than Trump, 2016. Because, well, he cannot run again. It's his second term. I mean, he's almost 80 years old. He has nothing to lose, in my opinion. And I think

the fact that he, quote-unquote, lost in 2020 taught him many lessons about the deep state that he ignored in his 2016 term or was even oblivious to it. I think he knows

exactly. I mean, maybe not exactly, but I think he's pretty much in the know of what's really going on who's really in charge in the United States when you talk about the deep state and the military industrial complex, etc. And I think he's going to try to push a new American narrative into the limelight, meaning the populist one. So I I think he's very honest when he says that he wants to fight for the common American man and make America great again. And how can you make America great again? I mean, Trump said it many times, right?

Don't get entangled in foreign military adventures because you don't gain anything from this, right? I mean, the America has spent trillions of taxpayer dollars in Afghanistan, like trillions of dollars occupied Afghanistan for close to 20 years, and they left with the same people in power that were in power when they went in. I mean, it is hugely embarrassing, in my opinion, obviously. I mean, what is the point of all this? The same with Ukraine. And I mean, Trump says this.

J.D. Vance said it the other day. He said, like, it's really not in America's interests what's going on in Ukraine because we don't benefit from this. right because how does America benefit from it? A lot of people who are outraged, of course, the mainstream media, like J.D. Vance is selfish and Trump is selfish. They want to destroy the quote-unquote rules-based order

and all the other nonsense terms they come up with. But in the end, I think what Trump is trying to do, and I'm not sure if he's going to succeed in this term, because I think it's a long-term project, is to make America more isolationist again. Basically, retreat from the world stage,

focus on your own problems, build up your own infrastructure, focus on the space program, stop interfering in other people's affairs, and stop forcing your way of life on other people that want to have nothing to do with it. It's basically the age of multipolarity, so that people like the Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin propagate, because until recently you had a unipolar world with America as a hyperpower, not even a superpower, like all-powerful, but these days are over because now you have China, you have a rising India, you have Russia, you have the Islamic world, and they will not be dictated to by the U.S. anymore. And the U.S. is not strong enough anymore to do it even if they wanted to.

And the U.S. realizes it, right? And that's why I think it's being so aggressive on the world stage. It's basically an empire in its death throws, right, on its way out, like flailing wildly with its arms, you know, becoming more and more aggressive. And several people have said this. an empire and decline is the most dangerous time. You have to be very careful. And a lot of people realize this. So, I mean, they want to escalate things all over the world,

but a lot of people, like clear-headed people, and I count Putin among these people, and it should be praised for the level-headedness and the fact that they don't react as they could, you know, in this situation. So, and I think Trump also realizes, this answer. I think Trump is very honest when he says that he wants to end the conflict in Ukraine and or at least take America out of it. And by taking America out of it, obviously you're going to end it anyway. And I think he's serious about it and I think he's going to do it.

And I think the Russians are looking forward to Trump coming into power and that's a powder keg, you know, as we all know, the whole Ukraine thing. So let's hope he succeeds. So to end this conflict, let's hope that he pulls America out of other areas. as in the world where it does not belong, hopefully also Germany, even though that's probably a far-off dream. I mean, he mentioned it in his first term. He said that he would pull out the US troops from Germany, what many people who have said, including the German establishment, of course, as the, as the, as the, as the, as the, as the

vassals that they are. So this is what I think will happen. I think he's going to slowly step by step, pull back from the, from the vassals that they are. the world stage, meaning America's role as a global policeman, focus more on internal issues like immigration, illegal immigration, the border, and infrastructure, and the space program, hopefully. So this is what I hope will happen, and I'm optimistic, so I think it will happen. And I hope we'll get a multi-generational MAGA administration. So I hope after Trump, hopefully gets maybe JD Vance for two terms, right? So because otherwise it's all for not,

Because if you have this for four years, and then you have another person like Biden or Kamala or whatever in power, they will just tear down everything you build up. Yeah, it seems like the whole just of everything is that in 2000, in 2028 and 2032, you're going to have to have a continuation of this kind of energy. Because not everything is going to be solved in one term or two years. You know, they put, oh, Doge is going to be gone in two years. Department of Government Efficiency has been gone in two years. Well, I mean, this isn't maybe for immediate goals, maybe for one-term goals, but for future goals, you're going to need a few administrations in order to even achieve the kind of thing you're talking about. Because, you know, you hear a lot of people talking about the Marshall Plan now, which would be,

not the Marshall Plan, the Monroe Doctrine. where you the united states would have um influence in their zone russia would have influence russia and china can fight for influence over there and just let everybody have their own let whoever is the most prosperous the most um forward thinking maybe that they would look at their area of the world and let other let er let uh let uh let other areas of the world, let them do what they're going to do. Because the age of, you know, NATO basically is now just where retired neocons go to work. And, you know, so they can continue the insanity that they've been producing for, you know, 75 years now.

But I think that we just, we have to worry about our own little space here. and then let others do what they're going to do over there. I don't think Putin, no matter what anybody believes, I don't think Putin's a threat to the United States or to Europe, as long as he's left alone to do what he wants to do, as long as they leave Russia alone. And right now, it seems like they're, it almost seems like they're trying to start World War III

before Trump gets in there to completely, that they're willing to risk nuke's being dropped in order to destroy anything he would do or even you know have the government be basically a

gigantic nuclear you know trying to figure out how to win a nuclear war and put it at January 20th can't come fast enough as far as I'm concerned I agree with you 100% and again that you can't praise Putin enough for being as level-headed as he is, for not falling into this trap that the current administration is trying to set for him.

So, and a lot of people actually say that Putin is a dictator, he's evil, you know, he must be deposed. But what these people don't understand is that Putin is pretty moderate, right, in Russian terms. Because if Putin actually leaves office, the person that's... is going to succeed Putin might be a real heartliner, a real nationalist, and not a level-headed person. So people should be thankful that it's a person like Putin in power in Russia, who is, like, calmly reacting to this unbelievable acts of aggression

that Russia has to endure from the West on an almost daily basis now. One thing I learned from the Tucker interview is that Putin knows his history. He knows the history of his country. he knows the history of his people. The worst thing that you could, the worst thing that could happen to Russia is somebody gets in there who doesn't know that history.

Because once somebody, we see it in this country, whenever somebody gets in charge who ignores the history of who we are, everything goes to crap. Everything, it's a, seek to modernize, seek to

a progressive kind of, kind of ideal or just to change, change who we are. And so that's what I'm hoping that whoever takes over for Putin has that same kind of historical knowledge, because I think that kind of historical knowledge, when someone has that kind of historical knowledge, they want to preserve it and they want to preserve its people. And the worst thing that could happen is someone who gets in there who is doesn't care about that yeah i don't i don't think there's any any such risk to be honest because i mean i know russians fairly well because i lived in in russia for 12 years and i would say in general russians are much better educated than americans or western europeans

as well uh i mean they can still quote poems by heart that they learned in high school in different languages that they had to memorize like kind of good to Burns, Shakespeare, etc. Pushkin, of course, at length, like long points, right? So it's quite amazing. And they all know their history fairly well. And patriotism is the norm in Russia, while it is an aberration in the West. I mean, it's a complete, I mean, the West is basically a bizarre world.

If you look at, I mean, can compare it to the Superman comics, right? You have like Superman. the normal superhero, and then you have bizarre a superman where everything's the opposite. And I think that's pretty much the case with Russia and the West. So, I mean, I don't know, in Germany, you sit in West Germany like Frankfurt or Berlin,

or in America, probably the same, like in New York, somewhere in Manhattan, cafe or bar, and you talk about the AFD, the alternative for Germany. In Germany, in positive terms, people will attack you. If they overhear your conversation,

from like neighboring tables. And I think it's probably the same in the U.S. probably if you talk about Trump too positively or certain other issues that are considered too patriotic, too reactionary by the establishment or the mainstream. But the opposite is the case in Russia, right? I mean, there, if you say such things, the vast majority people will agree with you

and it will invite you for drinks. And that's just the way it is. It's a completely, in my opinion, normal society, the way the West used to be until, I know, in the 1950s maybe, right, when it all started going downhill. So I was just watching some American expats on Telegram. He made a video in some shopping mall in Russia with only white people everywhere. And he basically said it's like traveling back in time to America in the 1980s basically walking through the shopping mall in Moscow. So, I mean, so the fear that somebody will come to power after Putin, who has no knowledge of history, is almost not existent in my opinion. Because I've actually never met a Russian who has no concept of his own history or the responsibility that he or she has to uphold this history and to make sure that Russia as a country with Russians as a distinct people will prevail.

Tell everybody, promote anything where they can get the books, any articles you want to, promote anything. Well, as a Terry Trump is in a book you can order on Amazon. You can also order it atartos.com slash shop, where you can also buy the books by Guillaume Phi, like Archae of Futurism, that I mentioned earlier, because Guillaume Phi is not available on Amazon. You can actually only order him in the Arcturus shop. Same with Alexander Dugin's books.

They're not available on Amazon. you can buy them in the ArtTros shop. I mean, I know Dubin did an interview with Tucker Carlson, where they said that Dugan's books were banned in the United States. It's not actually true. They're not banned. Amazon just refuses to carry them. So like I said, you can order them, arctrust.com slash shop.

And we have a lot of other books, of course. And then we have a journal, an online journal, arcthorsjournal.com. where you can read new articles on a daily basis, usually two or three about current events, culture, history, by a variety of different authors, some famous, some new, you should check it out.

I highly recommend it. Also have a personal substack called eurrosyberia.net, where I post two or three articles per week about topics of a huge variety, also culture history, etc. Yeah, and by the way, just real quick. Yeah, I just finished a second book called Multipolarity, which, multipolarity, exclamation mark. I've already announced it on social media.

It will probably be released in a couple of weeks. So it covers some of the points we discussed today. Constantine, thank you very much. I appreciate it. You're very welcome. Thank you for having me.