The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1146: When There is No Justice... w/ Stormy Waters

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

2 Hours and 23 MinutesNSFWStormy Waters is a managing partner of a venture capital firm.Pete and Stormy discuss the consequences of "Citizens United" and how when there is no justice to be found, chaos soon ensues.Stormy's Twitter AccountPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I mean, there's a bunch of stuff that we can talk about. We got time. Um, but one of the things, and you actually started posting up on, uh, on Twitter and people been noticing is this Citizens United case and I think people probably heard of it. People may know a little bit about it, but what's what's your take on it? Why is it pissed you off? This destroyed the country. Not that the country wasn't already destroyed. Don't get me wrong.

Right. It, you know, the Supreme Court case came down in 2010, right? So it's not like it's, you know, the, I mean, well, technically it is happening earlier than that, right? So you have like the bipartisan congressional reform act of 2002. Thanks McCain. All right. And that was in place up until it got challenged in 2009, right? oral arguments were heard in the beginning of 2010.

And I think late 2010, you got the actual ruling. But what Citizens United was, right? Is the creation of a legal precedent that itself is based on a previous precedent from the turn of the century. But this finalized it.

and clarified it in the worst way possible. Right. So it doesn't really matter who Citizens United is. It was a pack, right? We would call today a super pack. All right. Thanks for, thank you John McCain 2002 for creating super packs. It created something called legal concept called corporate citizenship. And that creates a lot of problems. Because one, this means unlimited corporate money into politics. APEC? Right. APEC is one third, I actually probably say like a quarter

of the amount of, you know, that type of funding that is getting deployed. It's just the easiest one to notice because it's the oldest one and a lot of the people in the organization under the previous name. I think you can't remember what it was called. I'm sure Ryan Dawson will tell you, you know, took part in the Kennedy assassination. So like, you know, A-PAC is very present. They like to market themselves, but it's actually represents only like 20, 25% of all that type of

Judeo-Christian lobbying for the state of Israel. So where does the other 75% come from? It comes from other super PACs. Corporations, they can donate too. They can donate unlimited money. As long as they don't have to directly donate, well, because here's the thing.

What is the limit on your campaign donations to a single candidate, Pete? It's three grand, right? Yes, three grand. I believe it is three grand. But, you know, a corporation, they can donate however they want to because they're not technically a person, right? So that campaign contribution limit is specifically talking about a person, right? So a corporation is represented by shareholders. It is supposed to be a apparatus, a legal structure that establishes both governance of a company,

how it's operating, and also its ownership. Well, there's a lot of owners of a corporation. So it gets to do all types of fun things. One of them, because since it's a thing, it's an entity that represents the ownership interests in a business of a large amount of people, giving it citizenship, just in the sense of politics, the real ramifications of this are really kind of hard to pin it. down all of them because it literally just spiders everywhere. Right?

It's literally like smashing a pane of glass. You just watch this effect. This thing just, this one impact, just, you know, spider web out in all directions, corrupting everything from regulatory capture. Right. Because again, if you have unlimited money for politics, right, if corporate money is now constitutionally protected free speech, right, oh, Pfizer, Pfizer can do whatever, can donate however it wants to, right?

you can't infringe on Pfizer's constitutionally protected free speech. That's a violation of Pfizer's constitutional rights. So it can lobby each and every congressman to make this and this and this appointment for this and this and this department like NIH or CDC. Those are appointments. They have to be vetted by, like Trump is finding out with Mr. Heggseth right now. right those congressmen not just have a say in the law in the car bouts the loopholes but also the appointments of the administrative state but let's focus for right now i'll circle back to politics in what this means in regards to which i think

is what started the conversation is the assassination of that criminal in new york by someone who is also a criminal. Now, I don't know whether he was earlier, but if you murder someone, you know, in a premeditated fashion, I believe that makes you a murderer in the second degree. And federally, you're spending 30 years in prison. You are a criminal.

But that does not mean that the person that he killed was good. the man was a monster. And if it wasn't him, it would have been somebody else. Right. Because the entity that he was at the helm of has itself become a monster. And Citizens United played a large port in this because that man that killed that CEO, where is he right now? He's in, uh, holding in New York City. Yeah.

Yeah, he's in handcuffs. He's in jail. He'll slow, after his, you know, after going through the legal system, how, you know, horrible that is, he'll eventually go to prison. But you can't handcuff, arrest, throw in court, and then put in prison or execute a corporation. How do I throw hands? handcuffs on a corporation. You can't.

Okay, so what happens when corporations commit crimes? Because they're citizens now. Before, a la Enron in 2021, or sorry, not 2001 or 2001, or 2001. Fuck, I'm old now. Oh, that sucked. the executives of Enron, at least most of them, except for the really sketchy Chinese guy that managed to get away, they either died in prison or are rotting in prison. Because prior to Citizens United, corporate officers went to jail when the corporations that they were in charge of,

that they were the executive of the chief executive or otherwise of, committed crimes that they themselves either A signed off on or be instigated. But since now a corporation is a person, a corporation can commit crimes, any charges, any legal ramifications or any legal enforcement to either stop and or punish those crimes has to be given to the corporation. Because it's a citizen. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th

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But since you can't send a corporation to prison, the only ramification, the only penalty of punishment was fines. Now, Pete, what happens if you commit three felonies in the great state of Alabama? Life in prison. Life in prison. Same in Florida. I believe it's most, I think it's either most or now all states in the union. I'm probably wrong about that.

I'm sure a lot of damage has probably been done over the last since 2016 and the Great Awakening. But used to be three strikes you're out. And in most states still, it's three strikes you're out. You do life in prison. Well, United Healthcare has three felonies. on its record already. It's currently being investigated for five other felonies as we fucking speak by the Department of Justice, federal felonies.

So United Healthcare shouldn't be a company. It shouldn't be a corporation at all right now. It should be serving life in prison. Every one of its officers should be serving life in prison. Because that's what happens when you commit three felonies, three separate felonies. if you do a bunch of bad shit in a day and you rack up like two or three felonies at once that's not the same

Pfizer has six felonies under its belt six separate felonies so that means those last three felonies and the tens of thousands of Americans that died for those felonies to happen those would have never happened those people would still be alive because Pfizer would be serving life in prison after the third.

Fourth, fifth, and six never would have happened because Pfizer's never going to get out of a jail cell for the rest of its life. But that can't happen, now can it? So what does happen? And I'm sure there's a lot of guys that are probably disagreeing with me up to this point. But if you went to a fancy law school,

and you study corporate law, you would learn about a legal strategy. And when I mean strategy, I mean lawyers are the most risk-averse people in the world. So for it to be a strategy that means it's worked enough times in court to have a substantial amount of case law behind it. It is called efficient infringement. Infringing efficiently. So let's say you're a small inventor. I knew a small inventor as in like

well I say small inventor he was kind of a rather large guy very very nice guy one of the sweetest guys I've ever known I think he ended up killing himself probably five years ago you need five or six years ago right

but this man would just sit in a room and think for days and then all of a sudden an idea he would go test out that idea in his workshop on the side of his house I say workshop on the side of his house like it's small it was probably about

half the size of his house but he was a very capable guy and he would prototype and test out his idea in various iterations and eventually when he got it down he would go and he'd file a patent and the companies that

could benefit from his great invention that he just invented would license that patent from him for the purpose of putting that great invention in their products, making their products better and making everyone's lives a bit easier. And he was paid royalties off of that patent, and he and his wife would live comfortably and they're five kids, four kids. And then five or six years later, he'd be thinking in his, you know, his library, and he'd get another idea. And he'd do the same thing again. But, I mean, this went on for his whole life. I think he invented his first thing at 18.

Literally, he would just do the most white guy thing in the world. He would just sit and think. And brilliant ideas would just come tumbling out of his head. But around 2010 and afterwards, I didn't realize this at the time. It took me a while to figure everything out at a systems level. But all of a sudden, corporations would just straight up steal his inventions, his patented inventions, and start making themselves paying him nothing. And he would have to go to the store with his kids and see his thing.

On sale. I believe the term for it is, infringe now, pay later. Yes. Yes. But my friend, just like with Pfizer, these guys already know how much they're going to have to pay in fines before they even set out. They've already gamed all that out.

I'll get to that in a little bit with the medical field and the health field. Right. But they would just, yeah. they knew how much they would have to pay in court fines and that it would take him years and years to drag them through the court them you know kicking and screaming and making it as difficult as possible and dragging out as long as possible because that's just good business right you already accepted the amount of money that you're going to get ordered to pay in fines you know and you're okay with that number because you know you're going to

to make eight, ten times as much. So that's still like you're weighing the money still. Right. That's revenue. So the longer you drag this man through court, the more miserable you make his life, the more revenue that is. And then when the judgment comes down for you to pay that fine, because they can't put you in prison for theft, premeditated, right? So you committed a robbery, like you scoped the place out. You went and cased it. You figured out the best way in, the best way out, like, you planned a robbery and committed a robbery.

But because it's a corporation, it's just fines, just fines. And if you know the fine that you're like, you're going to get and you know you're going to make more than that, you're good. And then we're going to drag, like, oh, fine comes down. We're going to drag him.

further through appeals because again that's more profit and the more miserable and miserable miserable his life gets and within and say four or five years it went from just one of his patents being stolen to all of them and ruined his life they ruined his kids lives they've ruined his wife's life they made stealing part of a workable and very profitable business model Because they're going to make more money off of that idea than you are because they have scale. And you don't have scale, do you? No, you don't.

You're just a guy who's getting his life ruined by criminals. And in healthcare, boy, they will literally sell you something that they know is poison. Because they've done the math on the amount of people that if the insurance industry can calculate so accurately, right how likely you are to die at a certain age regardless of the cause enough to where they'll bet hundreds of billions of dollars on it and that specific year and they will buy the specific amount of bonds that have a specific amount of maturity and a certain maturity date right and pay X amount to offset that it's all math So if the insurance companies know that, then the pharmaceutical companies damn sure do.

So they already know how many people their product is going to kill. And they already know how many people are going to sue them, what the likelihood is, right? How many of them are just single people? So when they get crippling disease that slowly, slowly kills them in their homes by themselves, being slowly vampirized. the life being drained out of them. By this amorphous being, this monster, they're not going to be able to make it to court. They're not going to be able to sue.

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Well, how many of them are families? I don't know about this amount. Okay, what's the likely judgment we're going to have to pay in damages? I'm about this amount? How much you say we're going to make off this? Oh, this much larger amount. Oh, well, fuck it. Absolutely.

Let's get started. When can we start? These are actual conversations that are being had. I'm being a little bit hyperbolic. But am I really being that hyperbolic? These people are monsters. These people are criminals. They're the most powerful people in the world.

and they prey off of the weakest, the most vulnerable and the defenseless. Well, that's not what the powerful are supposed to do, because if you have power, you have a duty. I mean, this is the most basic of right-wing thought. I'm sorry, did you get here yesterday? Are you new? Where does honor come from?

Where does duty come from? Why does the Lord get to live in the castle? Well, the Lord gets to live in the castle because he protects all of the peasants that are weak and helpless and defenseless. Unless he's a monster, unless he's a fucking vampire, that's what these people are.

And it's not necessarily their decision either. because it only takes a little bit of game theory. Right. Corporations, they're... The reason you live in a shithole world, the reason that we don't build anything worth a shit anymore is because we take the people with the most resources.

Like, you know, fucking rare and insane Elon Musk is? Nobody ever asks, Why does this guy build all the things? All the new things. Why isn't IBM doing it? Why isn't, you know, Cisco Systems doing it? Why isn't Panasonic doing it? Why isn't an on and on?

Because the reason they're not is because to do what he does, you'd have to be fucking insane. Because you're the scene. You're the CEO of a publicly traded company. Your whole life lives and dies on quarterly earnings. So the only thing that millions and millions of hedge fund managers and stockbrokers and just people that you're not even a number, not only do they not care about you, your company, what you do, like, they don't even know that they own you. They don't even know that they're a shareholder.

Like you're literally a digit. So that digit is judged on, well, new quarterly earnings came out. Did they beat estimates? Did they meet estimates? Or did they go below estimates? Well, they went below estimates. All right, we need to go underweight. We need to sell 40% of the position in XYZ stock.

All that shit's automated. It's a robot. Nobody's like, well, wait a second. They spent all this fuck ton of money on this developing this new technology. And, you know, it's probably about a year out, two years out, five years out, whichever it is. It's more than a quarter of a year out is what it is. So you just sunk a whole bunch of money and something that's not going to make you money back in, well, 120 days well if you spend a bunch of money and you didn't make that money back

plus a whole bunch in 120 days all of a sudden your stock's going to tank and you're going to be fired as a CEO right and if you do that a couple times your company's out of business right so we've these corporations exist in a system that does not allow them to make long-term investments. They're only churning and burning 120 days at a time. So CEOs don't take risky bets at all. They're basically fucking robot automaton's. Like when I mean that they are lights and clockwork,

that's exactly what they are. They are just algorithms in suits. make me evil, sure. So the simple game theory is if Pete, if you've got corporation A that is evil, right, let's say doing efficient infringement or doing whatever the version is, I don't think they have a term for it for when you're killing people and not infringing, but that's also a thing, right, the liability, right? You're doing that and I'm not doing that. I'm a C. of the good company, right, you've already factored it all in, right? You know that you can't go to jail and nobody in your organization is ever going to go to

jail or be punished in any other way except for a fine that's going to be a specific amount that you already calculated before you started. And I'm the guy that's not going to do that. How long do you think I'm going to be CEO? I can tell you. 120 days. That's how long. So you set up a game theory that is really, really simple, so that the most psychopathic wins.

And in the meantime, they are a evolutionary forcing function to push every other corporation to be equally as sadistic. So it's not just this company is run by monsters, animals. They're all like that. Because that's what happens when you remove physical. consequences for people, right? When people do bad things, people need to be punished. You remove that critical check on the system. You've just turned corporate America into a fucking crime syndicate. Well, I think what some may say is that you just hate capitalism. Yeah. No, nigger, I hate you. Like, I don't know, I'm not terribly bad at explain.

things, I think the concepts are relatively simple, right? What do you get when you remove the ability to punish bad actors? Is that called capitalism? Is that what capitalism is? What about the free market? Or the free market loves crime, bro. You just have to end the state, bro. Yeah.

If you end the state, nothing's going to happen like this. Or what someone told me recently is, well, then you can just go in and, oh, yeah. I had somebody, I had a, um, a libertarian who probably totally disagrees with what happened, you know, with, um, miss, you know, um, the, the, Mr. the Italian guy and the, uh, and the CEO, tell me, oh, well, you know, without the state, you know, vigil any justice. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. So that's how you're going to do it, huh? There's a place like that.

It's called Somalia. How are they doing? You know, and historically, if you look in history, well, where do corporations not get away with doing stuff like this? Hmm. Well, I can think of two off the top of my head, right? One was in Europe, right? and libertarians and conservatives, both people I politically despise,

even though the latter of the two I love as my people, and it is my duty to protect those people from predation. But the other, the libertarians, I have absolutely no sympathy for, and I want to put them all on spikes. If spikes aren't available, bullets will do. But I think they all need to go away. Either they need to go to re-education camps where they are broken from this sickness. Whether it needs to be an exorcism, I don't know.

But it's so toxic. But both of those groups of people will tell you that the national socialists are evil because they're socialists, they're communists. And that a communist will tell you that, no, they're evil because they're fascists. and they're monsters. And they aren't socialist at all, and they're set up by evil corporations, and big money industrialists,

and my favorite, what I mean by favorite, I mean the thing I hate the most. Oh, it's actually just bankers that did it. Bankers set up the third bike. Okay, well, if I asked the communist or the socialist today, why they don't think that the national socialist or socialists at all is well because they nationalized all the labor unions and this is true they did and they set up a court specifically for

labor rights that's all that the judge did all day every day right he weighed disputes between corporations and their workers and guess who won, Pete? Oh, I can guess. Probably the evil corporations, right? Out of 20, 19 cases, I believe only one. I'm sure somebody like Thomas can correct me if I'm wrong.

Probably am. But only one went in favor of the corporation. Only one. And that was actually the most labor justice worker, justice that the workers of Germany ever got. And I guarantee you nobody, no corporation thought of poisoning its own people. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back.

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because they left the country, they tried to escape, to track down the bankers, bring them back, put them on trial, find them guilty, and put them in jail. And that was Iceland. And nobody in Iceland had a problem with that. Well, why? Because everybody in Iceland is like third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh cousins. Yeah, they were simply nationalists.

They viewed the nation as an extension of the family, which it is. Right? So that means like anybody, like every one of these corporations, you should view as somebody that is taking advantage or vampirizing your family members. Like that's what I see when I see a bunch of, you know, like Pennsylvania country folks, upstate New York, which everybody, not a lot of people know this. But rural New England is as rural as any other place in the entire world, like in the entire country. Upstate New York literally looks like North Georgia. 100%. Yeah, it looks exactly the same.

I mean, you go up into the mountains in New York, and you go up into the mountains in North Georgia. You're in the same place. Yep. Same thing with Pennsylvania, except with Amish people, some places. So, like, those guys, the people of North Georgia, the people of rural New England, the Midwest and the eastern side of the Pacific North. Like, these are my people.

Just regular people. Right, like regular Americans. Like, everyone makes fun of them. Like, yeah, they don't know about politics stuff. This is the same reason why I got angry at so many people on the timeline about chastising the people that were cheering on this shooter. right like they're allowed to be simple people if god wanted them all to be political theorists he'd have fucking made them political theorists but thank god he didn't because they're the people that build

things they're the people that do the fishing do the farming do the painting the sculpting right the building the brick laying the tree felling that's what they do right that's their duty in life to do like that's what their job is right and a person that has to go and farm all day or lay bricks all day that guy has an excuse to not know about esoteric political shit he's not supposed to this is never ever ever supposed to touch him but now he's being vampirized by this force. He can't feel, he can't see it, he can't put his hands on it to stop it from hurting him.

What is he supposed to do? Like this sounds like a horror movie, right? Right? There's like this tiny little town. And all of a sudden at night, something literally starts sucking the life out of the townsfolk. Right? They get weaker.

They get sicker. Some of them start dying. All of a sudden they can't afford things that they used to afford. Right. Like to not say that these people are being afflicted by evil is blindness. It's willful blindness. You're saying that because you don't like these people. Well, I like them.

So if the village people, right, if these simple people that are allowed to be simple people, if they see a monster get killed. the villagers are allowed to cheer. The question is, what are you doing to protect them from monsters? It's not our job to be yelling at simple folk that are getting hurt, really hurt, by these things that are now citizens, but yet not people. Right? But they're all, they're, I was told, I was told on Twitter that anybody who was, you know,

I'm not even cheering it on, but people who were like, eh, they were Marxists. My leftist. Leftists and Marxists. Well, they may have a vested interest in that position, right? What the left does is random violence and mass violence. But that's not what the right wing does. What does the right wing do? The right wing does targeted violence. And certain people get a lot more scared about targeted violence.

Because they fear that they themselves might be targeted for that violence. You can hide from the mob. Yes. Like those bankers found out that tried to leave Sweden. Or sorry, Iceland. If it's targeted at you, you're not allowed to get away with shit. One of the things you were talking about there was how the person who's fixing roofs, they don't need to.

There's no reason that they should be reading esoteric philosophy, political philosophy, political, any kind of ideological thing, you know. And it reminded me of a yaki quote from Imperium. He said, this is the age of absolute politics for the whole form of our life is now a function of power. And there's, you know, I know people who own businesses go to work every day. And I'm talking about seven days a week to work. And they know as much.

They know more about politics than most of the pundits on TV. And there's no reason for them to know that other than we're in the age of absolute politics. How many years shorter is their life going to be? And it is because of this, you know, the post-war consensus, this thing that if you bring it up, you're woke right, this conspiracy theory that, you know, like, books were written on forever you know years ago the conspiracy that the most powerful people in america mobilized on mass along with the poorest people in america on mass to stop that conspiracy theory and so when you have people who are stepping out and seeing somebody who

you know just to use that CEO as an example i mean I mean, he's being accused of defrauding a fireman's pension fund. Yep. Which is all basically public taxpayer money. All of these insurance companies exist almost entirely on taxpayer money. Yeah, especially since Obamacare. And they're just funneling it into their pockets and the pockets of their friends. Do you know who wrote Obamacare?

Insurance lobbyists. Yeah. insurance lobbyists. It used to be called Romney Care. If you want to find out all about Obamacare, don't listen to conservatives tell you because they're, you know, I love them, but they're stupid. When it comes to this, right,

they've been forced through this post-work consensus you're talking about. The only thing that they are allowed to do, right, if all other avenues of political grievance are cut off to you, except for economics, you're allowed to be economically conservative. that is the punching bag costume you're allowed to wear. Nothing else. When they try and to interpret problems,

when they try and analyze problems, they will only look at it through an economic lens. This is all libertarianism. Like, this is, libertarianism is just a more extreme version of this, right? It's the acceptable conservatism. That's the accept, libertarian is this acceptable form of political radicalism. It's the punching bag,

costume you are allowed to wear. So if you really want to find out about Obamacare, you have to go to the left, right? Because the conservative does not see the institutions as potential nefarious actors, nor did they see corporations and companies as potential nefarious actors. Yet, apparently, there's been a big sea change in the average conservative. But anyways, Look into Romney Care. Mitt Romney was the one that actually tried to push through Obamacare, and Obama passed it virtually unchanged, just called it Obamacare. It was written by health insurance lobbyists.

Because they have political speech now, constitutionally protected speech. Remember? They get to lobby infinity. They get to campaign contribute infinity. And that is constitutionally protected speech, so don't you dare try and tell them they can't. And then you can write wonderful laws and then give them to senators that you donate infinity money to to make sure they get passed.

And if they have any trouble, you can donate infinity more money to make sure you have a president and a congressman and a senator. And then now you can make sure you can get your thing passed. And you get state-funded revenue for forever. Your quarterly earnings, they're going to be great. worries anymore. Nobody pays on time like Uncle Sam does. And he can't go bankrupt. You can literally rob him and rob him and rob him forever. So way better than robbing just the regular people. You're going to just rob Uncle Sam and then have Uncle Sam

rob regular people. But you get to control the drug prices, though. The reason insulin cost $1,000, while another group of companies that also can't be put in jail. and can only be fined, like Monsanto, and Bear, and Archer Daniel Midland, the people that make sure all the corn syrup isn't all your stuff, and all the terrible food dyes, they should go to jail for, because for a fact, just, just, just red dye six, just red dye six, they had run years worth of study, telling them that it was cancerous and they still put it in because it was cheap. They knowingly committed attempted murder.

If I try and poison you with radiation, right, if I literally, I mean, people have done this. Foreign governments use radiation, you know, various forms of heavy metal. radioactive heavy metals as assassination weapons all the fucking time, right? They will put certain types of radioactive material into your cell phone and give you brain cancer inside of six months. I think they did that to somebody, one of the Russian oligarchs, whatever, that robbed a bunch of people and Putin tracked down. In the UK, I think he got some form of radioactive thing.

But whether it's radioactive to cause you cancer or red six to cause you cancer, that's attempted murder. That's premeditated attempted murder. And for all the people that got cancer and died, that's murder. I should watch you be hung by the neck till dead. And so should all the families whose loved ones you either murdered or tried to. But they get to poison you. And then when you go to get medical treatment for being poisoned, you got the UHC guy ready to go with your $1,500 a month insulin. That's my, I guess my car payment on one of my cars. I like the fast fund one that you saw.

That's roughly my car payment on that. And that's what a diabetic person has to pay just to live, just to make sure they stay alive for a month. Because guys like Brian, our guy Brian, our guy Brian thought it's a good idea to tell the government that hey we think the appropriate price that we're going to cover insulin at because everyone thinks it's the pharma companies that set drug prices it's not what actually sets drug prices is how much the insurance companies will pay for it so it's brian that sets the insulin prices it's brian that sets chemotherapy prices

not the companies that manufacture those pharmaceuticals at all, or else if it wasn't for Brian, all the various insulin manufacturers would have a race to the bottom at who can make the most cheapest effective insulin. The free market forces would make insulin so cheap, you could probably buy it for, I don't know, $20, $30? Because that's what it is in every other country in the fucking. planet, including the most poorest, destitute, ass-backwards shithole in the world,

gets insulin for less than $50. And you're paying a car payment. My car payment. My very fancy car payment. You get to pay that for insulin to make sure you don't die because Brian says so. Brian's a fucking monster. Well, those other countries, you know, a lot of those other countries, they, have people there who, you know, are related to each other, who look alike, speak the same

language. They, their system hasn't been set up to turn every human being into a walking annuity to these, these, you know, these scumbags. And they don't have, you know, you were talking about health care earlier. I mean, it was the conservative hero, Ronald Reagan, who made sure that vaccine manufacturers don't pay if their vaccines hurt someone. You do. The taxpayer pays. And they have to go to a special court where everything is sealed.

You can't find out exactly what happened and why they're paying out a million dollars to this family. whose child is dead or whose child can't talk and never will be able to talk again. Yep. And it's when you have a system where there is no justice, people are going to decide to take justice into their own hands. Now, I'm not saying Luigi. you know, Luigi apparently he comes from a very wealthy family. Probably has no problem paying his medical bills. But something inside him made him do this.

Yep. Every single one of those people that were telling you that you're a fucking leftist, they come from rich families too. I bet my money on it. I would bet that the average person that is, you know, sitting in their urban city center, telling you, I notice it's not many farm boys telling you that you're leftist. Right.

For cheering this man on, I bet you they come from rich families too. So you want to pretend to be right wing. You want to pretend to protect people. Like, how come it was Luigi and it wasn't you? How come you're talking shit to me on Twitter? Something else that I noticed was... Are you not principled? Well, here's the thing.

Immediately what happens because our culture is so fucked up is that people had to go, well, is he a left winger or is he a right winger? People who consider themselves to be right wingers are like, he has to be a leftist. People on the left were like, well, he's one of our guys. He took out. And it's like, and no one's asking the question like, well, why? Why did he do this? No one wants to know because what's the post-war consensus? Violence is bad.

And you have to be left or right. Yeah, you have to be left or right. And if you're right, if you're a right winger, or you consider yourself to be a right winger, no matter what you believe, kosher right, whatever, because it's basically illegal to be, you know, and my opinion is most of the people on the country, kosher right or just gatekeepers.

But if you're like a real right winger, you have to defend yourself. You have to constantly, because it's basically criminal to be right wing. So you have to go, this guy has nothing to do with me. Pete, where's your revenue from the wellness company? Yeah. Where's your wellness company bucks? The, you know, this, when you look at trying to figure out exactly what how I want to how I want to phrase this not that I'm not that I'm choosing my words carefully for any

reason but the the fact is is that the reason you never have change at all is because people are comfortable where they are people almost the gatekeepers are yeah the gatekeepers are and other people aren't. Now, if you look at this guy and you're like, well, I mean, he's from a rich family. You know, he didn't have to, he's probably crazy. And he might be. Who knows? I mean, he could be insane. But why did this happen? Now, let's take a completely different scenario. Completely different scenario. Say that he had a family member, his mother, who was denied denied treatment, denied coverage.

It bankrupted their family. They lost their house. Did he stay rich? Is his family rich now? From what I understand, yeah, that they're a huge real estate. They own large real estate, like country. They own a country club in Baltimore or something like that. Okay, good.

Okay, so. They obviously produced a son that was decent. So what if it was, what if he, what if he did this as revenge? What if it was revenge? Okay. Now, make, now judge him that he did this as revenge. There are still people out there who are going to be like, well, no, he should, there, there were means, what means? Yep.

Well, fine. They already, okay with the fine. They already planned it out. Yeah. I mean, they're a corporation. I mean, when you understand what Citizens United is, you realize that if you want to be a criminal, if you want to be a murderer,

if you want to be a mass murderer, if you want to be a scumbag, all you have to do is basically form a corporation. Yep. And you're free to do whatever the fuck you want. If you stack up enough money for the criminal fines, yeah, you're good. Yeah. So basically, if you're a rich person that forms a corporation, you can be a criminal.

Everything, and here's another thing of the post-war consensus, the Nuremberg regime. Everything is black and white. Yep. There's no conversation to be had. No conversation to be had. This guy's either evil or he's a hero. Yep. No in between.

No need to ask questions. If you start asking, if you start asking questions like, Oh, I mean, well, you know, 109 countries. Well, why? If you start asking why questions, well, then you're evil because it's just black and white. You get kicked out of 109 countries. That's bad. The people who did that, they're all evil.

They're all scum. They're all. There's like this 2,000 year hate that's being passed down, you know, through, I don't, I don't know. some some kind of magic that's just it's like contagious it is magic yeah yeah and um yeah there's no everything has to be black and white you know i don't know if i like this guy or not but i can tell you one thing that's ceo i don't i've looked into him i don't like him no i'm not Sad he's gone. He's a traitor.

Yeah. What do you call the people that kill the weakest people in their communities? You call them monsters. What do you call the people? He's no different to George Floyd. Yeah. What do you call the people who their whole existence, and especially the way they got rich, was by fleecing white people?

Yeah. Because he's fleecing. taxpayers. Who are the taxpayers? Yep. You know, it's funny is people are like, oh, well, what if he's from a rich family or not? Oh, he's from he can afford this. So it shouldn't so it's wrong that he. Do you know what the most common reason for bankruptcy is, Pete? Medical bills. 80%. Almost 80%. So 80% of the people that go bankrupt. In America. And again, these are not like poor Brown, like, you know, migrants or whatever, right? If you actually go and file bankruptcy proceedings instead of just not pay your bills anymore

and say, fuck it, man, where's my Gibbs? That means you're a white guy. Or you're an upstanding person of some varying degree. Right? You wanted to provide your creditors with closure. and you wanted to do things the right way. So you filed for bankruptcy. So that means 80% of upstanding citizens. Go bankrupt. Lose everything. Get to be homeless from medical bills.

Well, who sets the prices of medical bills? What is a medical bill? Well, it's whatever Brian decides he's going to cover or not. They have the highest rate of denials. And when they started getting a lot of heat for it, they deny one and three for no reason. That's actually a strategy. These companies, again, it's efficient criminality. How many, what's the flat blanket rate of just blanket denials? How many claims can we just deny without even looking at them? before the lawsuits become higher than the amount of money we're making from denying them.

Oh, I don't know. About 30%. Well, how do you justify that? Well, Brian had a conundrum. He got the bright idea. Oh, well, we're going to use AI. We're going to use AI to determine whether we're going to pay out the claims or not. Because AI is just another layer of unaccountability.

Oh, I didn't do it. United Healthcare didn't do it. We didn't deny all those claims. It was an AI system. By the way, also United Healthcare is the source of the largest data breach in US history. The reason why Chinese people have almost every American servicemen medical records is because United Healthcare.

One in three Americans, had their entire medical history stolen because of United Healthcare. Because they refused to do even the basic things. Because they knew that the most that they could get away with it, they could get away with it, and the most it would cost them would be a fine. So they didn't put anything in place that they should have put in place. And one and three,

because in your medical records you've got like your social, literally everything you need to steal your identity and also do bad things to you. It's because of Brian. Because Brian doesn't care. And no other one of these CEOs, these publicly traded companies, do. Except for very, very, very precious few. And that's why they stand out. This is why if I ask the average person on the street, name me five CEOs.

They can't. These people are the, that much interchangeable automaton that they're literally indifferent to them. Guys like Elon Musk, Jamie Diamond, Bezos, these guys stand out and Gates. Gates stands out for a different reason, fucking little kids. But it takes that to stand out, right? These people are that interchangeable. Nobody actually gives a shit how these things.

companies are run. But the broader point is the I don't want to say it because it's a rabbit hole, but the same reason that they're able to keep that hatred going for 2,000 years is the same reason that they put everything, that they're able to trap people in this right or left box. Really, the National Socialists were so great because they figured out, well, let's just break the paradigm and do both of these things or none of these things, depending on what benefits are people more. Yeah, we're not going to get... That's the right ring they're actually scared about.

What they said was, we're not going to give people a chance to be left or right. You're going to be German. Yep. That's it. You're going to be German. And as we found out recently, you know, from Mr. Mahler, he... I love that. What did they do?

Yeah. What did they do? Built churches. 94% by the time the war was starting, 94% of the country were professing Christians. By the end of the war, it was 95%. They- What was it in Bylar? It wasn't as bad as people would have you think, but it was pretty bad.

You know, it was a lot less than that. These people probably prayed every day to me. make their situation better. I guarantee every woman that was forced into prostitution because she couldn't pay her pay for her or her children's food because her husband got blown into bits in World War I. I bet you she prayed a fuck ton. Even as she was doing something she knew was a sin. Because she didn't have any choice.

So actually you're probably right Pete. People in despair don't turn away from God. they turned towards him. And that is, that's the key. That's the key here. The key to understanding what we're going through, why you would see a CEO be assassinated, why you would see, why you see this whole, immediately people jumping to left, right, is because there's nothing coherent that's holding us together.

But we're going to know something's happening. Yeah. We're completely deracinated people. and a lot of people just don't care about their neighbors. You know, small towns is a lot different. But, you know, in New York, most people who are living in an apartment building don't know the names of the people who live on the floor.

That didn't used to be the case either. Nope. Everyone knew each other a long time ago. But it slowly, slowly started to fall apart, tear apart. And what did, and the same, thing happened in Germany. And how was that solved? They all came,

somebody came along and said, reminded them that they're one people, that they're this historic people, that they're this great people, and that they can be great again. And in less than a decade, they were the most, the most powerful country in Europe.

Well, arguably, since it took the entire world together, to gang up on them, to defeat them slowly over five years, you could probably argue they're the most powerful country in the world. Because, I mean, I could say, I want to say that America would be that. But let's say America didn't have the amazing borders it had. Right? Two of them being oceans. And then it had all of Europe.

let's say it was on the same landmass let's say the U.S. had none of the borders and was on the same, but was on the same landmass as the Soviet Union and all of the countries of Europe and they all attacked America at once. Would we have gone five years,

six years, with the entire world coming down against us without our borders to protect us? I don't know. I'd have to really think about it. Germany was the most electrified nation in the world. Right. So as far as technology in day-to-day life.

Here's what people really should understand. In 1936, if Brian was screwing over the people, a random person on the street wouldn't have had to, wouldn't have done what was done to him. The government would have did that. Yep. The exact same thing. After a trial.

But the government would have done that. Well, Brian's already lost three of those. So I can't imagine that would go any different. So, yeah. The... You bring up a really valid point, Pete. Sorry to interrupt. But that thing about...

They're not right or left. E. Michael Jones has been a soldier. That man has taken more bullets. And I don't think anybody could ever call that guy. coward. But I'm going to use him to jump on real quick because I think it's also important, especially with guys like Corey right now. I was baptized Catholic, did all the sacraments for confirmed, except for, you know, obviously marriage and last rights. But I think you're the same. But Corey is not like us. He's different. He's not Catholic. He's not Catholic.

Is Corey my, is he the same as me? I think he is. He's in the same struggle as me against the same enemies as me. And I know Michael Jones has been pushing this a lot saying like, oh, you're not white, you're not white, you're, you know, Protestant or you're Catholic or you're agnostic or whatever, but you're not white. This is an invention, you know, you're not a white boy. Well, I'm sorry. Mr. Jones, with literally all of my respect. You've walked so others could run.

But the reason why Germany was united as Germans was because the Third Reich had the exact same problem. half of the country was Catholic the other half was Protestant right and Germany was under attack innate racial as Thomas says

Arrasen Creek right Judea as a race declared war on Germany as a race all of the extermination plans right the Morgenthau plan being just one of like

four or five that were floated and got a lot of traction. Those plans were racial extermination plans. You'd say France is more Catholic, Italy is more Catholic than America. Britain's more Anglican than France is, or American. But how come all of those countries are the ones under attack right now? And only just those, because they're white people. So the only way that they were able to get those people together in just the nick of time was to put confessional

heritage aside because you fight on the front that the enemy is attacking you from right if the enemy is attacking me

on my western front I don't send all my troops to the east because then I'm dead and I don't want to be dead and I don't want to be dead All right. So you have to fight. Obviously it is best to pick the front that you wish to fight on. But if you're just waking up, realizing you're under attack, you go defend the place that you're being attacked from.

If you get attacked from more places, you peel off what you can and you go there too. But we're being attacked racially by everyone. We're being attacked. religiously by some. So if we go and focus on who's Catholic, who's Protestant, who's this, we fight with each other while being stabbed from all sides. It's very, very silly. Corey Muller, if you're listening, I'm a huge fan, huge fan. And I would send my dollar.

and my support and if needed, God forbid, I would be there in person if you needed it. I'm sure Pete and most of the people listening would too. But according to the way Mr. Jones has it at the moment this may change. But I should not do that according to him because I'm not a white Christian guy. I'm an American, Anglo-Catholic guy. And that's not my fight. What Corey is being attacked is not my fight. That's madness.

If they didn't unify around ethnic heritage on the front they were being attacked, Germany never would have been unified at all. And it would have been devoured. I really don't like throwing shots at Team Michael Jones, but it has to be. I see, he's just one person doing it with a platform that was, large enough for me to see it. But I've seen it in the comments of all a bunch of tons of smaller accounts. But back to what you're saying about right and left because it really is the same thing. Right. After Bayer Wolf killed Grendel, did all the villagers come and ask him whether he was

right or left? How stupid is that? We had a monster and the guy killed the monster. What political affiliation he is should be the least of Arkansas. If anything, he should have woken us up to like, oh, shit, there's monsters. This is a problem. We should do something about this. We should use our platform to do something about it. Yeah, this doesn't have to happen in the streets. No.

This doesn't have, yep. When this happens in the streets, it causes normal people, the people who go to work, the people who just, just want to go to work and just, you know, I mean, I know it's a meme, but just want to grill. It causes them worry. Because it's like, okay, what are we what are we descending into? But if we don't have someone out there, you know, in a in what is considered or viewed as a legitimate capacity to deal with people like this, then this is what this is going to happen. And this is what this is history.

This is what has happened historically all over the place. It wasn't, you know, Franco and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, and, and, and, and, you know, and, and, and, the nationalist did not want to fight a war. They just knew they had to. They knew that they had to. And almost all of them to a man, especially the Catholics, all the Catholics, and most of them were, considered themselves already dead. They knew they were going to war and they were probably going to die.

They did that so that they could have orders so that people weren't dying in the streets. so that there could be so that so that Spain could be Spain again so it could be Spanish again so it could be Catholic again and that's what holds it together that's what holds civilization together it's not good economics it's not your pet political ideology it's not left or right it's right and wrong Why do soldiers, and so the reason that they are so good at capturing people in left and right is because they understand a bit of occultism, a bit of magic. And if you want to control someone, you can't just control how they feel on a certain thing, right? whether it's yes or no on this particular thing. That's not controlling them. Because when options and avenues are created or appear to them,

a person's paradigm is what controls their ability to weigh and plan what options are available to them at any given time. right, like what the National Socialists did would have not been conceivable to any of the other political apparatchiks except, or, you know, of whatever party, except for maybe the communists because they were operating from a revolutionary paradigm. And so why these guys are so effective at controlling so much of America is because they don't just give you a left or right program,

on a specific thing. A paradigm is a worldview. It is complete. Its totology is complete. Not only do they have you on this issue, but they know that they will always have you on every issue because the way that you look at the world around you, the way you judge and interpret all the inputs,

the new things that happen every day, or what options are available to you at any given time. That's a paradigm. And the only way to control a dialectic is if you control both paradigms. You craft narratively whole worlds. Think about like, you know, Tolkien, or Star Wars, those are whole worlds. whole worlds, full of characters, right, full of each character, full of opinions and thoughts,

right, landscapes. It's a whole world. And once you create a whole world, you can control how somebody operates in that world, because you control what options that person thinks is available to them. Right. So the left-right paradigm, and as you saw Jonathan Greenblock on that leaked, bit of video when he was chimping out about the the TikTok thing and he was screaming like we've been playing a left and right game for too long we got lazy and we didn't play the young and old game too this is a huge problem this is a big problem right what he's telling you is that he and his team whoever he was on that zoom call with have been playing

a left-right paradigm. This is why the culture war exists. It's not politically useful. It churns a lot of fucking carnage on both sides. But that's the fucking point. Right? Because the more you fight, the more entrenched in that paradigm you become.

It is actual magic. And that's what mind control actually is. and they know this because they stole it from us a long time ago sorry Jews Kabbalah comes from us it's a fucking provable fact it's Greek

it appeared in the Greek in the Greco Egyptian magical papy 400 years before anybody ever uttered the word cabala you stole it right this used to be our knowledge Now it's not. Now our people have forgotten how it works and now we're just victims of it. But you know these things at a deeper level, Pete, to what you're talking about. Right. So you and I are not related, right? The same as a platoon or a squad of men in combat isn't related.

But if I drop a grenade in the center of that squad within an instant, without so much, much as thinking about it. Someone is going to jump on that grenade to save people that he is not genetically related to. There is no evolutionary purpose for that to happen. He didn't think about it. And if he thought about it, it's even less likely he'd do it. So I would jump on a grenade for my, you know, my mother and father, my sister, my brothers, my aunts, my uncles, my cousins, like my family, I'm genetically related to them. Right. Like, if Richard Dawkins is to be believed, right, which, I mean, there is some parts of,

this is the thing, again, paradigms. All right. It's not evolution that is false. Our evolution is real. Right. It is a both and an and. Evolution is real. Is it the source of creation from the very beginning?

it's not. Look, we've unified the paradigms. But those paradigms keep you fighting in those two positions. The right winger has this beliefs about evolution. The left winger has this beliefs. See what I mean? It's a worldview. No matter what you throw at them, you already know how they're going to react. That's actual control. But there's no reason why I should jump on the grenade to protect, I don't know, I don't know, five guys in our chat. There's absolutely no reason for me to do that. But I would, and I probably wouldn't even get a chance to think about it. It would happen that quickly.

And nobody can really explain this. I figured it out, or I stumbled across it. When reading about how the National Socialists treated PTSD, the communists were being funded by that giant, I mean, this megastate right next door. Tons of money, tons of resources, tons of guns, and tons of organization,

command and control, logistics, all these things. They just poured them into the country with apparatchiks. How did Germany even stand a chance? Unorganized masses, highly organized, well-funded, well-armed,

well-supplied minority, How did this happen? Well, the only other people in that society that knew how to organize, that knew how to use guns, that knew how to follow orders and do command and control, logistics, they were the veterans. And they were already organized. How are they organized? Well, the Germans figured out the best way to treat... PTSD is to put men into small groups just like they would be in combat and have them go out in the

woods and do hard shit, right, together, whether they be climbing a mountain or building a bridge with logs that you chopped yourself outside in the cold. Shit like that. But always in small units and these men would blossom all over again like it never happened. And that to me, was so fucking interesting. It was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? And then I thought about it. I'm like, it's got to be the units.

It has to be that. Putting these men back in the units, the small units again, made them psychologically whole again. And that's when the light bulb went off. I do a lot of consciousness research. I fund quite a bit of it. I don't think this is actual science.

The government knows. about it. Government's done it. A lot of it. And I think I passed this across to guys like, I know this is a big tangent, but guys like Dean Radin is a director of Sanford Research Institute for like 30 years. It gave us the remote viewing program. They were the guys that figured out for the Pentagon that your consciousness doesn't live inside your head. That little voice that says, hello, when you close your eyes and say, hello. I asked him about it and come to find out they've actually been some studies on this. They can't quite pin it down all the way, but it's like when five or six men become

in very, like a, in the situation, come under the situations that you would see in combat, right? Like life or death, really high stress. These men know each other's thoughts. And I asked our mutual friend, Clay, the Delta Force guy. Clay, you can totally disavow, by the way. I'm going to be talking to him on Friday. Oh, really? I got to call him.

It's been like, I haven't talked about two weeks. But I asked him, like, hey, so if a soldier, like, when you and your guys are out there, like, you know, is it like you know what each other's thinking? And he's like, man, not just like, can we finish each other's thoughts, but if somebody's in trouble somewhere, I know. You know, whether they radio or not, like, I know. Just immediately. Like, I know what they're in trouble about, like, why or, you know, where I need to be. Howard, you know, he just knows.

And I was like, that's even more interesting. Because, like, the only other time, like, cells will kill themselves all the time. right selves will throw themselves on infinity grenades just you know cancer cell we're committing suicide boys let's go and that's really the only time you find that behavior is in what's called like supra organisms so like they've started to figure out that in a ant colony acts a lot more like a singular organism than it ever does an individual organism because individual organizations the ants act against that organism's interest all the time all right kill themselves all the time none of that Dawkins ship makes any sense turns out all right bees same thing

uh there's a whole bunch of these in uh in the ocean but they're like a the ant colony itself is a singular organism It functions as a singular organism, right? There are types of ants in there that cannot survive on their own. They are not valid organisms. They are not singular organisms. They can only function with, you know, the service, like actively being fed by other ants.

If you're an ant, it makes no sense. for you to go feed some other different type of ant, that's weird. You need food. I think, and a couple other people with PhDs, luckily, if that means anything, or they got their PhDs back when that meant something. They're pretty keen on the idea that soldiers in combat a type of collective consciousness forms. whether that be like, you know, innate programming from our hunting band type, you know, time and prehistory or whatever.

But PTSD doesn't happen in combat. All right. So like if you see some gnarly stuff and you get all blown up or somebody next to you get all blown up, you're fucked up for a couple days or a day, whatever. But you get back to doing your job. It only becomes debilitating after they tear you. out of that environment and put you in an atomized place by yourself back in the world that unfortunately we live in every day. So the world we live in is more of a psychological trigger than combat is for these men. And tearing them out of that collective consciousness

and putting them by themselves destroys them. They were part of a singular organism, a collective consciousness that they were stripped out of and then thrown by themselves now an incomplete person and to not think that this happens at larger scales it's like time travel Pete if you tell me that you have

six if you and I are sitting having dinner and you time travel five minutes in the future you're like hey stormy I can time travel like holy shit but I can only do it for five minutes. That is the same as if you said, I can only do it for 50 years, or I can only do it for 500. The same amount of laws of physics got broken for you to do five minutes

as it would for you to do 500. It doesn't matter. It's not possible, but now it is. Can't travel in time. Well, Pete can't, but only for five minutes. Who fucking cares? He travels in time. That's insane. So the same laws that allow this to happen at a squad level scale It's as insane as if it is at a nation scale So to think that we are not Like this is how all of a sudden He was able to do what he was able to do in Germany in the 30s He brought that collective organism back from the dead

How else do you get people to sacrifice like the average German sacrificed happily. Like those guys had purpose. And it was more than that. Like, okay, was there like some national socialist creative director, right, that had a whole bunch of other creative directors underneath them that micromanaged every painting that was ever painted, every tapestry, every bit of clothing, right? every bit of architecture, anything that was being built.

Was that all being centrally controlled? No. But all of a sudden, everyone had a little light bulb go off and immediately knew what the aesthetic language is. It was like a singular force, came down, possessed one man, and through one man, possessed a country, and brought itself into existence. Whatever, the world that that entity,

wanted to create was created by every pair of hands in the nation. They were all working toward the same thing. You could say like, yeah, they're all cooperating. They're all like doing their part. No, no, no, no. That means like every painter should be painting slightly differently, but now they're painting all the same. And they're all coming up with the same imagery, the same thoughts. They're writing in the same ways. Aesthetically, it's a singular language. How is that possible? Yeah. Well, here's something I want to do, you know, let's go back to all this. How do we abandon this left, right? How do we come together? How do we, you know, there's one of my favorite mutuals on, on Twitter is an account.

If you don't, if you're on Twitter and you're not following them, you have to. It's apolitical 3678 at a political 3678. Let me check. What's his, what's his PFP? It's a, who is it? I don't know. I don't know who that historical. I got it.

Yeah, yeah. I follow him. Yeah. All right. So he has this, he had this tweet the other day, and I, I not only retweeted,

I screenshot it. He said, my objection to the term woke right is not being called woke, an undefinable conservative buzzword, but at being lumped in with the right, an inept

mix of drooling retards, traitors, subversives, and homosexuals, nationalists find left and right meaningless distinctions. Yep. You know, and I would even... That's 100% correct. Yeah, and I would even put in front of that nationalist

Christian because that's what this nation is. Yeah. has been you don't have to be a Christian to love living in it like what is what is what is what is uh what does paul godfrey'd say if he had a choice between living in a jewish nation right or a white nation that's christian where does he feel that he would be protected best and live the most fulfilling and fruitful life he'll tell you just ask him yep yeah these are meaningless.

These are, and I use it. We all use it. We all use right wing. We all use left wing and everything. But when it comes right down to it, they're meaningless. They are. The only reason we use them is because we're a divided nation. We're completely splintered, completely torn apart.

It wouldn't matter. No, not at all. I try and say, I've been trying to not call people leftists or whatever. I try and to say enemy. Because that's really what most of the guys on our side are trying to say, right? They're not like attacking somebody's like political tautology, are they? They're like saying, you are bad because this is what you believe on, you know, economics. Or this is what you believe as far as greed.

Like, no, you hate everything about that person. Like, that person is just your enemy. that's what they are because some of the policies they support you may want but for your people I am fully for a lot of left-wing policies but only for my people you know who I want to have housing assistance my people you know I want to have zero interest loans California not sorry not migrants my people My people need the state of California to come and help them buy a house because my people are the ones paying taxes You know who I want to make sure has an eBT card in their back pocket if they're a single mother that can't afford food my people

I don't want any of my people going hungry because I love them You get to go to college for free my people I I can be as left wing as any left winger, but only for my nation, my people. Because those are the only people I care about. And the left-right divide, the way it's cast, is both negativistic, right? So this is why the left has to larp so hard at being the oppressed class now. Right?

because they're not for anyone anymore. They're just against the people that they are calling oppressors. They're just against the oppressors. Sorry, the oppression coming from the oppressors. So it's just this person's my enemy. Okay, so what happens when you, what happens when you defeat him? And this is another reason why the right are right. So the nationalists.

have such a hard time because none of us can paint a cohesive picture. This is the one place that the left really dominates us. It's a good fucking thing we can meme. Because if we couldn't, we'd be fucked. Because what they can do, I can ask roughly any one of them. To varying degrees, obviously, salt to taste. But each one of them can paint me a cohesive complete detailed picture of what it looks like when they win.

And roughly the same from person to person I ask. And we are incapable of doing that. Because we are incapable of figuring out where our political beliefs come from. And that's why half of us think it's good that this fucking guy got his brains blown out. And the small percentage of us think that they don't. think that's a good idea. They don't think that's great at all. Right? So, even though ostensibly, we appear on the same side, if you asked us to present our cards, we would say, oh, I'm on the right wing, sir.

Right. It's a flaw in the model that shows us that our worldview is not accurate. It shows us that some of our ideas are wrong, right? Because if all of our ideas were right, at least coherent, we would all be on the same page immediately, but we're not. So that means a large portion of our view about the movement as a whole is inaccurate. Our model is incorrect. And that some of the primary motivators for some of us are not the same as others. That's a problem. are not positivistic. This is why we are so easy to trap in left, right. This is why what

Michael Jones, I think, is doing is so fucking dangerous, whether he means to or not. Because if your ideology becomes a positivist or is centered out of a, not to be all hippie, but love, A, it attracts way more people. Right. You don't, again, you don't want people to like jump on board and join your thing. You just want them to acquiesce with your idea. You want them to see your idea and go, okay, I'm one of those people. All right, cool. Yeah. You guys can go ahead. Just do what you want. Right. We don't need them to sign up. We just need them to not fight back to acquiesce and to assist whenever possible.

And again, most people are simple people. right so are you are your politics you know anti-Semitic as first principle or are they I love my fellow men people and then I'm only into Semitic when those people try and hurt my people or those people try and encroach and live with my people and now that they can't, you know, live where they want, right? They can't, they are not allowed the being around your own people is a quality of life issue. Being forced to live around other people that are not your people is a detriment to that quality of life. So, if you guys want to go do what you do somewhere else, awesome. I'm not going to come over there

and tell you how much I hate you. right every my first principle is is this good for my people or not that should be your first principle you need to understand who your people are because apparently some of us have different peoples right which is funny because the people that are are angry about the CEO dying they seem to think that their health care CEOs worth with golden parachutes either that, if they don't think that, then they must think that the average working class white guy

is not their people either. They are either confused thinking that they are a healthcare CEO or they are not confused and they just don't think that they're one of you. Because if all your politics springs from is this good for my people or bad for my people, which it should if you're a nationalist, then the only way you get that,

result is if you don't think that your people are the people that are suffering under that healthcare CEO what your thoughts i can't argue with any of that it's the i think it's all going to come back to and what i'm thinking is i'm putting myself in the shoes of the person listening to this who's just listened for the last hour and 48 minutes and poor god I'm already I'm already imagining what the you know the

the black and white the black and white judgment because that's the way it's just the way people are you know and it's really you know and I know you had some questions about this when Thomas was

you know when Thomas says it's about a vanguard it's not not everybody's going to get it. You don't want everybody to get it. I forget who it was who said, maybe it was Tom Metzger or someone who said, even if you like woke up all the Normies, what would you do with them?

It's the way forward is leadership. Yes. And we know that most people are going to follow. They're just going to follow somebody who... They want to. They thought, They think Donald Trump is the guy that's going to give them the Fourth Reich. Yeah.

They're going to be disappointed, but they are so desperate for a leader that they will create one when one does not exist. We create heroes when no real heroes exist for us. Or there's a lot of people out there who think that Donald Trump's going to give them the 90s back. So they're on that wellness foundation plan. If there's anything that I would want people. to understand is that the only way out of this is to come together. You know, it's another reason why Thomas talks about how he believes that this regime is going to, you know, just slowly die and that it's just going to splinter off.

And people are going to find their own people. People are going to move into the same areas. They're not going to have to do like the branched of idioms where they all live in the same building or anything, but they'll live in the same places. They'll move and be like, all right, well, this town sounds good. I mean, I know of that happening in one place right now, in a couple places right now, and one is like planned. That's because no other operations are available to them.

Yeah. I mean, the Faustian spirit, we're never going to get rid of that. Yeah. So eventually when we get our thing secure, we're going to look at your thing and say, hey. So people need to understand that, whatever reason that this kid did this, why? What do you learn from it? And just asking that question, people immediately jump to,

because this is the way they've been taught, is how can I learn anything from something that's so horrible? It's like, well, I mean... No, I'm sorry. God promise all your lessons be pleasant. Yeah, well, you know, and, okay, Look at what just happened in Syria. Well, what happened there?

Why did it happen? Who did it? Why is it okay? Here's another thing that I, I was thinking about as you were talking. When a nation gets overthrown, you know, people look at it and go, oh, man, that sucks. That really sucks for the people there and everything like that. But, you know, basically what's just happened is, is like people, a group. of people who identify with each other have just fallen under new leadership, have just,

they've basically been invaded. Yeah. And that's, people will look at that and they'll be like, they won't even give it a second thought. But bring it down to the individual level, because it's one guy, they can't look at that and go, okay, why did that happen? Because it's too personal. It's too, you know, it's, oh, that guy had a family.

It's like, well, there's millions of families right now suffering. But you bring it down to one guy. And, oh, I can't learn anything from that. That's just horrible. That should have never happened. Yeah, it should have never happened. It should have never happened. But why did it happen?

It happened because there's no one there. And I said this before. There's no one there. to bring these people to justice. There's no one there to protect them. Yeah, there's no one there to protect you. You have to live individualistically like that, right? You have to say, like, oh, I can't think of, you know, other families.

I only have to think of mine because there's no one there to protect you. That's why. You have to think like that. It's not natural. Yeah, I was talking to my friend Tommy this this week. And, you know, I was. talking about these people who they're like, oh, we just want the government to collapse. Everything will be just perfect if the government collapse.

You know, it's like these like anarchists or whatever they want to call them, whatever they want to. I mean, I used to call myself that. The person who's going to be in charge after that is the person who can feed people. The person who can take care of people. The person who can step up and just be like, okay, I'll be the one who takes care of you. Those are the people that they're going to go out. that people are going to follow. We don't have that.

No. We don't have anyone we want to follow because there's no one there who's, there's no one there to say, look, if somebody, if somebody evil is, if somebody's doing really fucked up shit to people, to groups of people, to the population, there's no one there to step up and say, I'll take care of it. Well, there's a guy that'll do that. but then there's also like he doesn't like guys like him they're not going to want to do with all the other stuff yeah right so you need like you need a guy that kind of sits on top of all of that right the king

isn't supposed to be like he's supposed to lead his men onto the field but he's not supposed he's he can't lead every squad and i don't even see i don't even see that i don't even see the you know the someone needs to make themselves a beacon and guys like are in for like the guys that will divvy out punishment for bad people right or protect weak and defenseless people they'll rally to that guy right guys that know how to fix things and maintain things will rally to that guy guys that know how to manage things or grow things, we'll rally to that guy. Everybody in our thing is specialized roughly at, usually they're so autistic, they're

experts like two or three different things. We've got a lot of polymouths, but they are specific things. So you don't actually need a leader to be able to do all of these things. You just need a leader that's willing to take on the responsibility, the accountability. to say this thing lives and dies with me. That's what made Hitler so special.

Everyone that thinks that he committing suicide was cowardice doesn't understand what most German generals would do if they led their men into a slaughter

and their men were killed and they left alive. They would kill themselves. because they're the highest accountability. So if all of their men die and they live, that's wrong. That's not accountability. Same thing as we have in Congress right now. All these people get to send all of these poor young men into meat grinders all around the world. They all get to get all chewed up.

Then they get to leave. You know, running away with the enemy, like loading up all the stuff, people falling from fucking airplanes, died for nothing. Well, if they died out there, then somebody has to die here. Whose idea was it? Who's laying the accountability on their own shoulders? And whoever lays that accountability on their shoulders usually is the one that gets the lead. Because nobody wants to take responsibility.

Everybody wants to lead going forward. Nobody wants to lead, you know, in defeat. Nobody imagines leading in defeat because that involves, you know, bad things happening to you and or, you know, you having your end of the bargain to uphold. Nobody likes a trade. Nobody likes a bet when they lose. So I think if you have someone like that, that's willing to take that accountability, because that's really what Hitler did. He didn't go and fight in the trenches. He didn't, you know, he was a great...

He made himself the brightest light. And so everyone could find him. And then after a while, there was enough people to where he was able to command... I mean, if you watch some of his speeches and you think that is not a supernatural act happening, you've never had to stand on the stage in front of thousands of people before. anybody that has

will tell you that if you're on the stage that energy that electricity is palpable and you watch his emotions become their emotions and then their emotions become his emotions like they're literally becoming the same person number of rally is collective consciousness

nobody can convince me otherwise and that's why we had to have individualism absolutely shoved down our throat for so long and that's why you can't you know if you try

to talk about oh well they were socialists so okay well what kind of socialist were they well they were just socialist they were Marxists. Okay I can't have a conversation with you you don't understand what was happening there you know

you just don't have a clue And I really think that most people just don't want to be their brother's keeper. I think that is 100% it. I think you hit it. I think you hit it right on the head. I think that is exactly it. So if you don't want to be your brother's keeper, then you're out there on an island. And if you have 350 million people who don't want to be their brother's keeper,

then any foreign element and influence can come in there. take you over and cause you to do whatever they want and convince you that what they're doing to you is good for you and you didn't go bankrupt Pete you didn't go bankrupt for your medical bills so why does this affect you yeah yeah yeah yeah i actually had a libertarian economist tell me that one day when i was like you know you know really somebody really needs to do something the people are what do you what do you like some kind of say oh what you some kind of savior you years. Oh, okay. Why are you not? Yeah, I get it. Yeah. You sit there in theory land talking about your theory of how this would work and that would work. And if we just had good economics, then, you know,

people will have better incentives and people will, you know, degeneracy will decline. And people was like, okay, okay. All right. Sure. Yeah, that's it. It's economics. It's, it's economics that's caused that that stopped degeneracy and um yeah and rot in the past that's what it was it was good economics because i've never met anyone who was wealthy who you know went down a complete rabbit hole of um degeneracy and filth and uh no that that doesn't happen to wealthy people yeah how are his incentives what were dan what were daniel penny's incentives Why did he take that onto his own shoulders?

Why did he do that? And why do we immediately recognize it as great and honorable and good? Because he was a Marine and that's what he was told to do. It was told to protect people. Yep. He is his brother's keeper.

And that's why I really don't think that everyone in our side would do what he did, even though every single one will meme and meme and meme talking about how great he is. I would totally do that. I can't. Like, I don't think actually you would. Because it's not like whether you'll choke out some black guy or whatever. I'm sure there's tons of you sick fucks that would do that.

But how many of you people would risk going through what Daniel Penny went through? Like, oh yeah, don't try and save anyone in, you know, live cities. Fuck you. You save people wherever they are if they're your people. Fuck you. You don't get this. You obviously don't get it. You're in the wrong place.

And if you say, well, I'm not going to save them because they're not my people, well, you just said the problem out loud. Yes. Yes. Right? The mother and the child that were hiding behind the stroller looked an awful lot like Daniel Penny. But it's in a loop city. By the way, there were black people on that train, too, who were scared of the guy. Yeah.

Harts up. And as soon as you took him to the ground, other things. three other black guys jumped in and helped them hold them down. Yeah. Because courage is contagious. Courage is contagious, and it wasn't about black and white at that point. It was about saving your fellow, it was about safety for you and your fellow and everyone around you. Yeah.

Like, let's put this way. If you're like some Korean guy, you've been here for forever, right? You're part of my local community. Like, you run this local business. and somebody is like threatening that, like doing that type of stuff to your daughter, your wife, your kids. I'm going to do that. Because in this instance, you are my people.

I think this is actually why Christianity is very important. Because it kind of answers that. Where is the line for you to be your brother's keeper? Where do you draw it? and then God came down and said, you draw it here. On this other side, you're a coward, and on this side, you're honoring me by doing it. I think, actually, we do need that.

I was having a conversation with a Muslim who's a very, very smart guy in a lot of things. like 2X, MIT, PhD, but everybody's also extremely theologically well-burst. Like, he knows his shit when it comes to Islam. And we talk often about, like, the differences, the strengths and the weaknesses. And he got me really good. And I really didn't have anything to say.

Because he's like, well, we recognize the divinity of Christ. Christ. He's seated next to God. Why do you want to call that his son or not? He sits at the right hand of God. So God apparently thinks so. Because in primitive or Aramaic cultures, that's where the oldest son would sit. So if he got killed, if God sends his only son down to give you a message, And he gets killed by a certain group of people. Before he can finish giving you that message, they believe that Muhammad came and gave them the rest of the message.

And funny enough, the same group of people tried to kill him in the exact same way. Funny. How that works. They seem to have a thing for killing prophets. but what Muhammad filled in was the law. What Christ kind of gave you wasn't, and I know there's probably going to be a million people chimping out right now, but with Islam, it is very, very, I mean, it is like, it is like,

it's like one of those four dummies books. It covers everything. Like every possible aspect of life. life, what you should do, what you shouldn't. And not like through parables that can be interpreted. It is written black and white. This is what is expected of you. In this situation, this situation, this is what you must do, this is how many times you have to do it.

And he's like, the reason that Christianity got subverted in the West and why Islam and our close proximity to these people weren't able to, over this amount of time is they, we had a very strict law. There is really no entrance point of subversion that was open to interpretation. And this is where I kind of leaned toward some of the benefits of Catholicism, even though it's been extremely perverted, right? But pre-Batican two, the Catholics also kind of backfilled that law as far as like what to do in your day-to-day life in very black and white fashion. that the that Muhammad gave the the Muslims because I didn't have an answer like I couldn't think of another reason where they possibly could have avoided subversion of any type whether

it's the West whether it's you know they're the nemesis of mankind but either way like you could try and come and subvert this little bit in this little direction over here And somebody named Muhammad already thought about it was like, no. Not to do that. And I think Catholicism does have that. Where a lot of, like, let's put this way, like, the Schofield Bible couldn't exist if every single the things that it kind of steered people in other directions towards were already against the law.

And I think that's why we need. leadership a lot more. The Arab world can kind of exist in like atomized little tribes. And we build much larger states just instinctively. I think that kind of comes from our yearning for that, for leadership, that I don't think other people have. Like, we will build hierarchical structures where none exist. And I think actually that's what makes us more god.

than them. I think we are more in God's image for a bunch of esoteric reasons in addition to that. But hierarchy is everywhere in nature and we are the one group of people that insist on going everywhere, no matter how hard it is to be there. And then we set up hierarchical structures there. Like, anarchy is against, is the most unwhite thing. in the world. It really is. Like, can you think of anything more unwhite? Like, you just go peek into skunk works in 1960s, 1950s. You see a bunch of, like, lily white guys in white short sleeve button-down shirts tucked in to khakis and their pens and their glasses. You're like, yeah, what do you guys think about anarchy? It's part of our soul is hierarchy. It's hierarchy.

I think that's why this is such an anathema to us. Well, I'm going to have to wrap up, but I wanted to end on this. So I think a lot of people know that I was, I took donations for a raft for people who are doing body recovery, still doing body recovery from the storm in North Carolina. And it got delivered. And the guy who's in charge of it reached out to me on Twitter. and conversation just went like this. Okay? He said, man, thank you so much for getting us a raft that wasn't pulled out of the trash and patched together.

I feel a lot better as a leader having the team in a raft that it's actually designed for what we're doing. And I said, you're welcome, friend. What you're doing is heroic, thank you. And his response to me was just neighbors helping neighbors brother. Yeah. That's it. Well, I think the leader part was important. Did they set out initially with him being the leader?

Was that part of the plan? Oh, I think that he, you know, in situations like this, I think the leader just emerges. Agreed. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Every time. So I think actually we will get one or two or three.

I think we'll get a couple. When things advance a bit further, to where they're basically I think the reason why it was Adolf instead of other guys and why I think I don't know I go back and forth on this Peter

I like your position I don't think he would have been able to I think he was married to the country in the same way a priest is to the church. I think he put, he was the person that was just willing to put everything on, on the wine. And I think as things get less bad, which it's definitely getting, I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't think the, uh, the weight of certain, uh, accusations, like let's say anti-Semitism or racism, or racism,

And now that debanking, which a company that I was a part of, was a victim of, and just blanket. Like, thank God for TD Bank, man. Like, that's the best thing the Canadian guys have ever done. Sorry, Canadian bros. I love you. Especially you dungs. I love you the most in Canada. Without them, I would be fucked.

have been screwed. So the ability for them to exert that type of retribution on us is diminishing rapidly. And I think we're going to see them become much more frantic, unfortunately more dangerous in the near term, to just individuals, but not in a coordinated fashion. If you notice, Helen Pluckrose, that the person that's associated with James Lindsay, that wasn't, I guess, lucky enough to get a wellness company contract, I know that she set it on purpose or by accident. But she basically said that it was Jewish groups funding a lot of BLM stuff in 2020, or sorry, in 2016, throughout 2020. And when, Palestine kicked off, it diverted resources and attention away.

And that's, I mean, this is an academic paper. So she does a really good job of being thorough. It's not like an op-ed or an opinion piece. And that's why you don't see BLM and Antifa in the way you see, in the way you used to see it now. Right? It's kind of like this, you know, sad, sorry force. And you can kind of say the same thing. with really all of their methods of control.

Whether it be rioters, camping outside your, or, you know, Antifa faggots, camping outside of your house or, you know, getting fired from work, I mean, that still can happen. But it's nowhere near the degree it used to. And I think as this lessens to where people can survive some blows, they'll be more willing to take them. And you will start seeing leaders pop up everywhere. The cost can't be.

like whoever pops up gets killed immediately. But when it gets to a point that you can get hurt but not killed, and I think this has a large portion to do with us, like you and that raft, right? Now we ourselves are much more organized, and we seem to be more willing to get each other's back either financially in whole or in part. or make sure that, you know, you go out of your way to find somebody a job. Like, I think we are able to both defend ourselves better at the same time as they are getting weaker in attacking us to where attacks aren't immediately fatal like they once were.

And I think we're going to, I think that's what's going to start coming happening next. I think we're going to start seeing leaders. And I don't think it'll be a conscious decision. Like you said, I think leaders, people just turn to you. right they start asking you things it'll it'll be organic i don't think it'll be any bodybuilders though sorry brosso all right man i got to get out of here thank you for the talk was and um until we uh until we reconvene or actually um we got we got an inquisition this this friday so yeah man it's just so funny um one next episode we should actually get into the origin

because I think it was how complaining about a panel will make you accidentally start a panel. Let's do that. All right. Talk to later. Bye. Good night.