The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1153: A Look Inside the Culture of India w/ Jayant Bhandari

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

57 MinutesPG-13Jayant is constantly traveling the world to look for investment opportunities, particularly in the natural resource sector. He advises institutional investors about his finds.Jayant joins Pete to give an overview of the culture of his home country of India.Jayant's SeminarPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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in India. I went to do my master's of business administration in the United Kingdom from the University of Manchester. I returned back to India to start subsidiary operations of a British company. I did that for about five or six years. Then I moved on to doing something very similar for a Swiss company. And after a period of about seven or eight years, I realized that India was going downhill very rapidly. And I was starting to think that I was making a lot of money. but that money was of no use to me. I had no freedom. I had a cesspool as a surrounding of my life.

So at one point of time, I applied for immigration to Canada, and that's what I did. I moved to Canada 20 years back, and I have not regretted that for a second. Now I advise institutional investors on investing, mostly in the mining companies, but I also advise some corporations on investing in India. Well, the reason I ask you to come on is because last week,

a discussion started happening in the new town square. It used to be called Twitter. Now it's called X. It'll always be Twitter to me. And apparently it was about H-1B visas, and the, Discussion got around to importing the top 0.1% of Indian engineers. And it turned into Indian really quick and really trying to figure out why it wasn't German or Swedish or anything else.

But I would assume that has to do with income levels. And a friend of mine who was, I can't remember if he was at your talk in Bodron in Turkey, at Dr. Hoppa's event, but he showed me your video, your speech there about India, and I shared it, I watched it, and then I shared it on Twitter, and a lot of hell broke loose. So I asked you to come on so that we could talk about some of the themes that you talked about in there. Now, first of all, when you hear that these tech oligarchs, whatever we want, want to call them, let's call them elites just to be nice, want to import engineers from India. What are your first thoughts?

Peter, I have spent the last 15 years of my life living in Philadelphia and San Francisco. And I have lived among the people who work in the IT sector. Now, I know, and people in the IT sector know this very well, that people come to the US with fake resumes, and a lot of people who come to the United States on H-1B visas come because, not because they are the 0.1% of the Indian population, or maybe they are 0.1% of the Indian population, but they are not the smartest people. They come to the United States because they can do a good copy and paste job and they can work at a very low salary which drags down the salaries of Native Americans, which means that they have that much less incentive to go into the sectors that cheap foreigners can come and do the job. But now here is the second layer of problem. the copy and paste job that was believed that Indians could do very well is turning out to be something that they actually cannot do well. There are a lot of problems with those software. And people keep telling me that once those Indians leave the job or if some improvement has to be infused into that software,

they have to rewrite the code because the code is so gabbled up the way. it is written, it does not meet the quality standards to which that you could just improve that code. You have to redo the code. But the problem with the managers, the corporate managers, is that they live for the next quarter. Now, I work in the capital markets. I know how it works. What these people are doing is that they are trying to maximize their earnings for the next quarter without worrying about what would happen two years later. And then you have these planes falling off the skies. You have had two or three accidents in the last few days.

One has to wonder, why are accidents increasing in the Western society? Are they increasing because certain kind of micro compromises are being made, which means that when no one is looking, are you still doing a quality job or you are making microcompromises. Now, these micro compromises rapidly add up in a complex, society and lead to devastating consequences. So I have been with IT people for the last 15 years and this is a known thing that a lot, most of a lot of the resumes are fake.

People do lip syncing while doing interviews from India. You can go to offices in India. There are tens of agent offices all over the country in every city in the country where you can go and get them to cook up, make fake resumes for you, do fake interviews for you, not for a very little cost, actually, a few hundred dollars perhaps, and get to the United States. So this is what H1B means, really, and this has been known to people and the government people. What boggles my mind is why have American bureaucrats not taking an action? Because there's no way they don't know about it. I I think the reason is that these people are making their nice $150,000, $200,000 salaries living in nice houses in New Delhi.

And they don't want to be politically incorrect and raise the topic of all this fake resumes circling around. But then you see a degradation of America happening because you have brought in cheap people. And finally, Peter, if you are talking about bringing in the best brains from the world, why is the minimum salary requirement for H1B only $60,000 per worker? Why is it not a quarter of a million dollar per person? So these are the questions you should be asking, but also you should be asking, why should you give up citizenship to people who move in after a few years?

Because that's not what Japan, Singapore or Hong Kong do. You might be the most qualified person on the planet. that try getting citizenship or permanent residency of Singapore. It's not that easy. Have you heard about the trouble they're having in Canada with the medical system there? Apparently, the doctors that they brought in, they have degrees showing that they're doctors, but they're actually not. So, Peter, this is something very common.

if you end up in an ICU in India, you are more likely than not end up in an ICU with doctors who have doctor in front of their names, but they are what are called Ayurvedic doctors or some other profession which gives you a doctor designation or they might even have a fake doctor designation in front of them. They're not really doctors. And if you end up in those ICUs, you will regret being there because the nurses will talk nonstop all night. They will gossip all night and never come to pay any attention to you. So yes, a lot of degrees are fake. If you want a PhD tomorrow or a week from now, Peter, let me know I can get it to you for a few tens of dollars.

It's very easy to buy those off the shelf without actually attending anything. But moreover, I wrote an article about 10 or 15 years back about the educational system in India. The educational system is so rotten that I posted a photograph in that article in which the walls, this 5 or 6-story building, had walls filled with people looking into the windows. And these were people who were helping those people who were giving exams cheat. So that is the level of educational system in that country. Anything to do with non-professional degrees is basically something that you buy off the shelf. But even if you go to a college or university, your degree is guaranteed.

The only thing where you might get a degree and you might be qualified is in medical profession or engineering. But even there, I would not be surprised if more than 5 or 10% people are active. qualified. Indian employers will tell you that 80% of Indian engineers cannot do basic algebra calculations, equations. They cannot solve basic algebra equations. Forget about doing calculus, which is something they should be capable of doing being engineers. So there is a massive amount of corruption in the whole system. You should not trust anything, any certificate that you come across from India. Ready for huge savings?

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And the company is the company I did my international business project for. So yes, I think you should not trust Indians with any of their degrees because you can create fake degrees without really much cost there. Talk a little bit about a culture in which this, happens because every once in a while you hear about something here and you hear that you know somebody wasn't a doctor and a bunch of patients died and it you know it can become a scandal or if it's not a scandal people look down upon it people want to know why people it's not accepted here Why is it so accepted there?

And what kind of mind would do this? What kind of mind would get a fake doctor's degree, knowing that they're potentially going to hurt other human beings? No one cares about it, Peter. And I know I'm using the qualifier, no one. I really mean it because I can count on my fingers the number of people who are morally oriented, in that country, a number of people I have ever met with a moral conscience.

They simply don't have it. If I can make 10 cents and you might die as a result of it, that is not a concern for an Indian. He is only interested in the resources he can accumulate. And in fact, if even a relative, if their parents die because of trying to make some money, they have no problems with that. So that is the overarching culture of that country. It's an apathetic culture. No one really cares. And if I can make some money because of your death, so it be. So that is the culture. The reason why you ask that question is, Peter, because you

assume that caring for other people is natural to human beings. That is not natural to human beings. is a vast population of the world which has never emerged out of its animalistic instincts. I would say about two-thirds of the world's population is submerged in its animalistic instincts, which is that they care about resource acquisitions, money, power, and sex, and they are happy to compromise everything for those things, as long as the cost is born by people other than themselves. And talk a little bit about why would the authorities there stand for this? Why is there no one at the top who's looking down and is like,

we can't allow this to happen? It's hurting our people. They don't care. They don't care. They are, they shrug it off. They're not even shrug it off because shrugging takes some energy. I have Peter, my family members, my relatives, my close friends of my dads have been senior politicians in the government, including in the

federal government of India. The chief ministers of India have been people I have been, my dad goes very close with. And I tell you, they don't really don't care. If you get raped, if you get killed, if your limbs get chopped off, they might even laugh it off. That's how sadistic these people are. They simply don't care. The problem is, Peter, again, I keep returning back to you. You think just because of your background, because of your Greco-Roman background, because of your Christian background,

you think that 10 commandments and caring for other people should come naturally to people. That's not the case. Even the people who get into very senior leadership positions simply do not care. And I tell you, they might even laugh it off because they get sadistic pleasure out of it. Remember, people in leadership positions, people in power really enjoy when you suffer.

And the reason is that they, the sadistic pleasure is that they think they cannot face that pain while you are facing that pain. So they, they, it's a sadistic pleasure that their, their chair offers them a position where they can inflict pain on other people and a guarantee in their minds that they will never suffer. that pain themselves. They do eventually come around to suffering that pain, but that these are low IQ sadistic people who cannot think about tomorrow. So this is the way of life there. People simply don't care. And, you know, Peter, you can see this among animals. You know, they, if a, if a lioness has a cub who is diseased, the lioness actually leaves that cub behind. This is the animalistic instinct, they don't want to spend their resources on children who might not survive or who might grow up damaged. But then remember that we are no different from animals except that the concept

of reason and the Christianity brought us out of that animal kingdom, gave us a veneer of civilization. But again, remember, two-thirds of the world's spot. population has no concept of it. When you suffer, they laugh at you. When they sleep with your wife, they think it's a way, they think that it's something they have won. They will talk about it with their friends. Their friends will compliment for it. If someone dies, if they kill someone, if they harm someone and if they get away with that, the whole society will compliment you for this. So it's a society that has no moral anchors. And because it does not have moral anchors, the only thing that matters is your position, your power, and whether you can avoid getting

into trouble. If you can get through all these things, you are a winner in that country. One of the things that was brought up this week when talking about the H-1B visas and bringing Indians, bringing Indians, especially people from India in, was the fact that there are Indian CEOs and founders and, you know, VCs in Silicon Valley. I, okay, so what do you say to them when you have somebody who is being held up as,

look, here, here is somebody who is doing the job and what they will say is they can't get by without these people, that these are essential workers. Well, so Peter, I have been living in the Western Society for the last three decades, and I have found people in Germany, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Canada, the United States to be extraordinarily generous. They give me opportunities and they want to help me with the, without worrying about the color of my skin or my religion.

They want to help me out. The Catholics, Christian people, without even asking people, which religion they belong to, would help you out. Now, given that background, the fact that there are so many Indian CEOs in the US shows more about the enormous hearts that Americans have that they accept people of different religions and different color into their societies and let them progress up based on meritocracy. So the only thing I see here is the enormity of the hearts of

the people who are giving these people who come from these wretched hellholes to rise up in life. So the only reason you are getting those comments is because these people have no concept of gratitude. Now, again, reflect back to what I told you earlier, that these people have no moral consciousness, which means that they have no concept of values, they have no loyalty, no gratitude. So when you help them with something, they think you are fool. And really, Peter, I have helped many Indians in my life. And on those very, very rare occasions, when I wanted to get help back from one of those, have said, hey, can you help me with that? And if he did not want to help me out, I might have

reminded that, hey, do you remember I gave you so much help at that time? Could you just do this much for me? The answer could easily be that, hey, Jayant, you help me because you were for sure getting something out of me then. So they have zero concept of gratitude. They will you can transplant them from a slum to a billionaire's position, but they will not say thank you or please to you. So that is the culture these people who commented on the Indian CEOs you are talking about. Now, the other fact is that why aren't there so many Indian CEOs in some of the top companies? Firstly, as you saw with Paraga Gruval of Twitter, he goes into position because he is, these are compliant people. They do what you tell them to do for a good salary without any

moral consciousness. They will ban you from Twitter because it does not meet, you know, they don't, they will shoot you, they will kill you because they don't have a moral consciousness. Now again, I'm not going to Parag with that kind of details. I don't know him well. I don't know him at all. What I'm saying is they have no inhibitions in banning you in what they were operating it. The other question is that one out of four, one out of four, one out of five people on the planet is an Indian. When I'm using the word Indian, I'm talking about Indian, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. One out of four people on the planet is an Indian. Now, if they led to 10 or 15 Indian CEOs in the US, what is the great thing about it?

Why don't you see Chinese CEOs? And the reason, Peter, is that Chinese economy, Chinese IT, industry is about six to seven times that of India's IT industry. And most of the Chinese IT industry caters to Chinese. The very best Chinese return back to China. The very best Indians stay back in the United States. And you can see that data. More and more Chinese are returning back to China.

And more and more Indians are leaving India. They are even the very rich Indians are leaving for Dubai and Singapore. So the question is that when you see so many Indians in higher positions in the Western society, you should not only have gratitude, but you should also be asking why are the very best Indians not living in India? Why are they not contributing to India? Why are they in the United States? So again, this shows absolutely nothing about the greatness of India. It actually shows what a complete hellhole it is. Ready for huge savings?

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I travel a lot in China and Japan. And these people bring in a lot of outsiders these days. But you could be a second or third generation immigrant working in these countries. There's no hope for you to get even permanent residency. If you lose your job, you should pack up your suitcase and go back home. They will never give you their citizenship. And the thing is that I wonder why East Asians did not compromise on it. And I sometimes do think if Western societies is compassion and tolerance has become cancerous.

I do wonder if they should have brought in some accountability to that compassion and tolerance. Because sometimes it has no limits. you just do you keep giving to people who have no gratitude and who don't want to help you and you can see this in the comments you know you talk about h1b visas and all these indians will come out talking about how generous india is that it's supplying all the CEOs to america then don't even see that americans have the big heart that they gave jobs to these people and let them go up in life So unfortunately, yes, there is a problem, Peter, and I might even go further that Western society has already committed suicide because now the U.S. is guaranteed to be a majority, ethically non-European society within the next two decades.

And you can already see the reflection of their voting pattern in the politics of the U.S. the U.S. politics is becoming increasingly leftist and you can also see that in the behavior of Trump. Trump, eight years back, was against H-1B visa system. He was

against immigration, but now he has softened his stand because he knows that the swing vote, not only just swing vote, but also the majority vote is now going into the hands of the people who don't have the European

consciousness, the European moral fabric and the European concept of reason. Well, yeah, I guess the argument has always been, or a really good argument against this is, okay, well, if all of these immigrants, no matter where they're coming from, are going to make us so much better, make this country so much better, so much richer. I think Elon or Vivek, and I've seen a bunch of people say this that the, you know, comparing it to a sports team. Oh, well, you have a sports team and look at the sports, you know, it's like hockey. What would hockey be without Russian players? You want the best players from around the world. And it's like, well, sports is a little different. They may not have the kind of leagues where you can make the kind, you know, why aren't these Indians staying in

India and making India great? If they're going to make the United States so great, why can't they make their own country great. Well, when you leave and when you emigrate, you almost give a stamp of a cesspool on the country that you leave behind. So when Muslims leave the Arab countries or they leave Pakistan or when Hindus leave India, they're basically saying that the countries that they left behind are shitholds and they see no hope from those countries. So the fact is that that is what recognition that should come from them.

And I think Western people should insist on that kind of expression from new immigrants that they come to the West because they see that they are the homes that they left behind, the religions that they left behind. And they should probably leave their religions as well were creating a systemic problems in their countries and that they recognize that those their homelands were never going to improve. But again, Western immigration standards since 1970s are not stringent enough. There's too much of political correctness. There's too much of virtue signaling mixed with compassion and tolerance. And you don't even know anymore whether the bureaucrat in charge or politician in charge, and I'm talking about, let's say, Trudeau of Canada, he's doing what he's doing because of compassion or because he's virtue signaling as a completely stupid person.

because now these people have merged into each other. The truly compassionate and tolerant person will eventually come around to accepting the reality and he will accept the accountability that his compassion might be creating. But a virtue signaler will never ever see the mistakes of his decisions because the costs are borne by other people. Now, Trudeau and Biden will never have a problem. They will always live a comfortable life. They are rich.

They're surrounded by security. Now, if Somalians or Ethiopians or Khalistani crowd create ruckus in your neighborhood, it's none of their problems. They virtue signals that we are all the same. So unfortunately, you have also elevated these people into positions of power with time. And this is a vicious cycle for the Western society. Well, I already mentioned him, so I'll ask you. And I didn't say that I was going to ask you this question.

So you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. What's your opinion of a vague? So I have, so as an average immigrant, I'm perfectly fine with him. I think he's a smart guy. He can create value as a businessman. But he does not belong to. the political arena of the United States. You, as a politician, I expect you to be a philosopher.

Now, I must say that even Trump is not a philosopher. I would have still voted for Trump if I had the right to vote, but because the opposing person was 100 times worse, Kamala Harris, so I would have still voted for Trump. And I'm still not all that negative about Vivek or Elon Musk. But the problem is, Peter, that these people don't really understand the cultural aspect of the third world people. Because, again, look at Vivek. He came to the United States.

He grew up from what I understand in a comfortable surrounding, in a good environment, in urban situation. He ended up going into Ivy League College and ended up, you know, as an entrepreneur, I congratulate him for what he did. Some people say he became rich by scamming his investors. I haven't delve people into it. But the fact remains, Peter, that these people haven't really explored the spiritual, the cultural aspects of people of the third world. And because they grew up in an environment they did, they think that people can be molded into anything they want to be molded into.

So this is the erroneous position they start from. But also I have, you know, Vivek romanticizes Hinduism. Now, you know, I can cherry pick good things from any religion in the world. You can, if you provide me 10 books from the worst religion on the planet, I can cherry pick and highlight 10 statesmen, 10 statements that look good from a Western perspective. So he cherry picks Hinduism and in fact comes to conclude that his Hinduism is no different from Christianity. So he's all confused and lost there.

He's not a person I would want to see in political power. But still, I must say that this is how degraded the politics of the Western world has become today. That, you know, he's still better than Kamala Harris, for example, and a lot of other people who are in Kamla Harris's team. When you look at India and you see that people are just out for themselves and they see other people as just like little economic things, you said in your speech in Bodron that all they care about is either money or sex. When you look at how, do you see how a lot of people, especially like the tech people, the business people, they only look at the, they only look at, the business aspect of our culture, of our nation, and they don't look at the cultural aspects. And that's one of the reasons why. Well, Peter, if you remember, a lot of people complain about what China did to Jack Ma.

I don't know if you remember this story. Jack Ma is one of the richest Chinese, and he was trying to lobby with the government. I'm just trying to put it in short what was happening that time. He was trying to lobby the government and he was trying to influence the government. And basically, Chinese government said, hey, it's not your job to influence the government. Get out of the job of governance. And I think all these lobbies in Washington should be closed down because it's not the job of businesses to influence the government. Public policy should be devoid of business lobbying. Now, for a business, getting cheap workers is always beneficial in the short term. For the businesses, it's always beneficial to compromise in the short term for the

next quarter. And this is what I see all the time. It is the job of the institutions to ensure that such compromises don't happen, which firstly starts with the fact that you should not let Hindu, Muslim, lobbies, African lobbies, or any kind of lobbies, business lobbies, to exist in Washington. There should be, in my view, a constitutional provision to

get rid of these people because they are undemocratically, and I don't like democracy anyway, but they are even subverting democracy by their lobbying efforts, and they spend billions of dollars on tens of billions of dollars on lobbying. Well, going forward,

what is the best way to educate people on this? I mean, there are a lot of people out there who would have you believe that we need every good engineer in India to come here. I mean, how do you even begin to talk? Because there's two arguments. There's, oh, you know, you don't want us to succeed, which is just a red herring. Or you're racist. I mean, it's like, I mean, I'm not really, I'm not scared of those getting called these things anymore, you know? So what's the, what's one of the best ways to talk to people about this? Well, China is not importing the most educated people. It's creating its own educated class. So we should, America should be creating its own educated class, but also look at Switzerland or Iceland.

They don't have as many immigrants working in top positions or not the kind of people who eventually get citizenship. So why should America have to import all these people for artificial intelligence? Now, how different your life will be, Peter, if you had artificial intelligence in a more advanced form around you? If you have had GPT 6 or 7 or 10, how much difference will it make to your life? Do you really need to do this deep dive into artificial intelligence over the next two years?

I'm in no hurry about it. In fact, most of the artificial intelligence that I see is so woke and politically correct that it gives me cringes when I try to look for some information on GPT. The response is almost invariably woke and leftist. Peter, look back to 1990s. 1990s, USA was a great country. It was the best country on the planet. It continues to be the best country on the planet.

1960s and 70s, America was at the top of everything. Why? What makes you think that letting immigrants change anything? Now, I can't prove the counterfactual, but had America not changed its immigration policy, Would America have been a better country? And my best guess is, Peter, and I'm reasonably confident within my own mind that America would have been a much better country had America not opened its gates for all those people. Maybe and very likely a lot more Americans would have risen into positions of IT that you now need foreigners for. But moreover, more importantly, you would not have in the long term destroyed your society by.

culturally diluting it by people who will not participate in your values, who will eventually destroy your values because they make fun of you. They think you are stupid by giving them higher positions and higher salaries and giving them positions of power. So how have you really improved your society? I mean, you are more worried about going out because there's more crime in the US and crime continues to grow. When I moved to Canada, Canada was this rustic village-like place, even Vancouver, quiet, clean, peaceful, very polite. Now you have brought in all the immigrants. What have you actually achieved? I mean, there's a huge amount of crime now. There's a lot of homelessness. There's a lot of drug addiction. So how have I actually improved Canada by opening up

gates for immigrants. Well, and then you throw DEI into that. I was listening to, I think it was Scott Adams this morning, and he was talking about how 6% of the new hires, or 6% of hiring in the United States, and I think even in the tech industry, is white European males. So not only are you bringing in people to,

take jobs that they probably can't do well, which is why we're having a competency crisis and all these things. And then you bring in very cheap, cheap labor, which you flood the country with tons of people that drives the price of everything up, housing, everything, and then you take the people who historically, you know, put you on the moon, gave you, gave you aircraft that could, you know, could fly into, almost to the atmosphere, you know, into space. And you just say, no, you can't have, you can't work anymore. So how would we even, how do we even begin to, it seems to me that you can't even have a conversation about bringing foreign people into do this job and destroy the culture of, you know, of the United States until you deal with the fact that the people whose heritage American people

whose family built this country can't get work or kept out of work. Yeah, that's why Peter I was saying earlier that I quite often think about whether the compassion and tolerance that Western people have has gone cancerous and got mixed with these virtue signaling psychopaths. Because really the people in power today are virtue signaling psychopaths. They are similar to the immoral, immoral Indians that I was describing earlier. These people don't care about you. They have risen into positions of power.

They are billionaires. They live in gated communities. They are surrounded by security. So they don't care about you and me. So the bigger issue, of course, is that the greater mass of Americans, the greater mass of best ethnically European people have let their compassion and tolerance be taken advantage of and they have themselves. You know, Peter, remember, civilization does not exist in nature.

You have to fight for it. You have to let blood flow to create a civilization. It's a very painful process. Look at the history of Europe over the last three millennia. It's full of blood and fights and wars and slaughters. And that, you know, out of all that churning and bloodbath, you lead to a civilization. And you can only preserve your civilization by being prepared to fight. You can't be a pacifist and say that, hey, I'm not going to fight anymore.

I just want to want harmony and peace. No, of course, harmony and peace is what I aim for as well. but that can only sustain if at the end of the day you are prepared to take your sword out and fight for what is right and stand up for what what is right. The problem is that, and this is the case with a lot of my American and Canadian friends, and I'm talking about ethnically European Canadian and American friends, they want to protect, they don't want to say anything politically incorrect because they don't want to lose their jobs, they don't want to compromise on their salaries. the reality is that you can't maintain a civilization unless you are prepared to stand out and fight for what is right. Otherwise, you will lose your civilization. Peace and harmony cannot exist among pacifists. It has to exist. It can only exist among people who can rise up and fight when the time comes.

Well, one of the things you mentioned there was virtue signaling. Along with virtue signaling just basically comes hate. And they have a specific enmity towards European whites. I mean, they come out and say it. There's tons of montage clips on the internet with just mainstream media talking about how, you know, celebrating that whites aren't going to be the...

I mean, so, you know, you talk about, you know, this attitude and having a, you know, pulling out your sword and getting ready to fight. I mean, you know, the scary part is, is that it may just have to come down to that because the language and the enmity that, I mean, we're talking about hate here. There was a, Mark Potock was a guy who worked

at the Southern Poverty Law Center who counted down every year on a piece of paper on his monitor at work, the percentage of how white America, America was. I mean, he was counting the days until America was no longer a majority white. This is pure enmity. So, Peter, and I might add that you haven't really met an average African or average Indian so far. So let's try to understand that America did not really have many Indians.

And when I'm using Indians, I'm not being biased against Indians. It's a term I used for third world people. And I can back it with evidence more when it comes to Indians, but it's the same for Africans and a lot of Latin Americans as well. Now, until the 90s, there were not many Indians in the United States. It was in early 90s that Indians started coming. So most of the 5 million Indians that live in the United States came over the last three decades or so. Now, a lot of these people are either among the richer class of Indians or the educated class of Indians.

So if you'll imagine a bell curve, you are looking at the tail end of Indians who came over to the US. Now, despite being the top one percent of Indians, their average salaries is still only $126,000 for family. So for one percent of for the very top tail end Indians, they are really doing horribly, horribly. Now, what you have so far is the tail end of the bell curve. You have still not experienced the average Indian. And as I like to say, Peter, once you have started experiencing the average Indian, you will start wondering, how does this person manage to walk straight? that is the kind of wretchedness and the degradation that exists in the average population of India.

Again, Europeans worry an agnosium about people from North Africa and the Arab world, and I completely agree with them, but they haven't really experienced enough of what happens when people from sub-Saharan Africa come, because sub-Saharan Africans are still finding it difficult to meet the challenges posed by the Sahara Desert. So you haven't really met the, an average Westerner hasn't really met the average person from the third world. When they come, you will be devastated.

Yeah, I took it upon myself to read. And I'm sure if you haven't read it, you know of it. And it may be overly hyperbolic, but Jean-Respels Camp of the Saints. I haven't read the book. Many people have suggested to me that I should read it, but I haven't come around to it. And it was, I think he wrote it in 71, 72. I read the whole thing on my show in like 18 episodes, over 18 episodes.

And basically, the whole point of it was that the people who were coming here hated us. They wanted revenge upon us because of what we had. And then the other part of it is the people who were already here, you know, the natives who not only were like, oh, we need to help these people, but we're like, well, we probably deserve it. We probably deserve what we're going to get. And a lot of people say that the book is just completely over hyperbolic. These people can't hate us that much. Well, do they? So, Peter, remember that, again, think about 10 commandments.

Ten commandments don't exist in nature. It came into exist after a churning of a millennia or two millennial long churning within a society, with a lot of pain and struggles. Now, one of the commandments is not to be envious. Now, remember, and this could come as a shock to me, because if you've got, grew up in a family and a society where ten commandments are taken as granted, even if you're an atheist, if you take those as granted, you might be shocked at what I'm going to say. You might think that envy is something that we are aware about.

A lot of third world people have no concept of envy. They don't understand when they are jealous because they don't have the ten commandments in their lives. They don't have the moral fabric in their life. So these people are openly jealous, unconstrained by their consciousness, because their consciousness has no concept of restraining your envy. Now, Peter, you know, I have felt envious. I'm sure most people feel envious at one point of time.

But you know you become conscious of that envy when it emerges in your heart. And you try to restrain it because you know that that envy is irrational. and immoral because and that happens because you're conscious that you are envious but there are third world societies and i'm talking about all third world societies who don't have the concept of envy so what will they do they envy you and they hate you but there's another element to why the third world people will hate you eventually and the reason is peter that their hearts and minds are still in the third world The third world are third world countries because of the people that live in the third world and they create a cultural ecology that is conducive to their psyches. They need the noise.

They need the chaos. They need the poop smell around them. They need all those distractions to deal with their existential crisis. So when you as a foreigner think that, hey, these guys need clean sewage system or water pumps and, water supply to their homes. No, they don't need it because they created an ecology that is conducive to their psyche. And they need all those chaos and fights and arguments and emotionalism to continue living. And a relative of mine said this very nicely one day to me. She said to me that, Jayant, you have to fight with your husband. Otherwise, what can keep you

your relationship going. So fighting becomes a bond for them, that they know that they can pass their time, get emotional, and then after emotionalism is over, they can become feel better about each other when the catharsis kicks in. So you have to understand their psyche. Now, the only reason they come to the West is for money,

because money is very easy. Now, remember, you make very likely making a day what an Indian makes in about two or three months. So that's the difference in salaries. It's a 50 to 100 to 200 times difference of salaries. I can get someone to work for me in my city of Bhopal for about $4 a day. And without anything any benefit, I don't provide him food, no tea, no time off, no vacation, nothing. Four dollars a day and that's it, no vacations. So these people come to the United States and I'm talking right now about 0.1% top layer, top tail end Indians coming to the United States only for money because they can't find money in that country, but their

heart belongs to their own culture. They want the chaos, they want the poop smell because that is what deals with their psyche. Now remember an immoral, irrational, animalistic body needs animalistic existence like a pig who needs the cesspool to go into you it needs the cesspool to wallow into and you have to really imagine this thing applying to certain people the you can give a pig a nice bath and it will it's immediately return back to the cesspool to and wallow in it so now they come to the US for money and then their heart is is in what they left behind what do you think they will do um they they will come to hate you because they eventually think that you remove them from their homelands

for your benefits and they are in the US to help you out because without their charity you wouldn't be able to continue living so that is and you know their mindset mixed with this virtue signaling progressive woke mindsets of Psychopaths in the Western countries has created this predicament. And yes, they will hate you. And the hatred will increase with every passing generation. Because eventually a guy who comes from Zimbabwe next year in 2025, in his children will eventually want us for reparations without any concept of the fact that his parents might have had no relationship with the past of America.

But that's the system we exist in today. Well, I think that's a perfect place to end it on because I think that'll give a lot of people, that'll get people something to chew on. So do you have anything that you want to promote before we end this? Well, I run a philosophy seminar in Vancouver every year, Peter. The next one is on the 23rd of August, 20th, 2025 and it is held in downtown Vancouver and it's a forum for free speech. You can come and speak, you know, I bring in speakers who might be of very opposing ideas, but I want to provide a forum for free speech and an encouragement and bring awareness of the fact that Western values and Western civilization did not come up from nowhere. It required a struggle of several millennia. So I hope. to pass on a message to a minority of people that if we lose what we have, we are unlikely to ever get it.

All right, Giant. I will go to your website and get a link for that and I'll provide it, see if anybody who's in the area. I have a bunch of friends up in the Pacific Northwest, so they might enjoy that. And thank you. Thank you. It was great to meet you and I appreciate your candor and your honesty. Peter, thanks very much for the opportunity.