The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1155: The History of California and Its 'Occupation' w/ Thomas777 - Part 3

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

56 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.Thomas concludes a series in which he examines California's past in an effort to reveal why the state "went blue" when it isn't actually a "blue state."Thomas' SubstackRadio Free Chicago - T777 and J BurdenThomas777 MerchandiseThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Happy New Year. Yeah, we're doing this on New Year's Day. We are going to close out the California series. So jump right in. I was taking a look at Pappy Kenon's book, State of Emergency. From I think, I think it dropped around 20, 2011, 2012, somewhere around there. The context is his book on World War II, it's a good kind of at a glance volume.

It's kind of like the Cliffs Notes version of a lot of stuff. Harry Elmer Barnes wrote about and AJV Taylor and people like that. But the end notes are very useful. So I've been utilizing it for some things. But the canon, obviously, he was somebody who was always kind of raising the proverbial alarm bells about the immigration crisis, which was well placed. But he misdiagnosed what was going on in California. And I think to this day, people continue to, like, they talk about, I mean, first of all, they claim that, like, California is liberal, because of Hispanics.

That's not true. And we're going to get into that. That's not why. But also, they talk about California, almost like it's a giant ulster or something. What I mean by it is they talk about it, Becannon included, like, oh, there's this core population of Mexicans who, like, identify with Mexico. That's really not what's going on. You know, and, like, traditionally, Spanish, California, yeah, they're not particularly

assimilated. Like, yeah, they're very much kind of like. like hood local in their perspective, but they, they don't want to, like, be part of Mexico. There's not guys in, like, East LA who are acting like the provos in 1970 and trying to, like, cultivate ties with Mexico for some political union. Like, it's not happening. And if anything, even in hoods where, like, people mostly speak Spanish, like, people who come over the border are kind of, like, look down upon. You know, I mean, like, that's, even to this day.

I mean, uh, so, like, that's not what's happening. You can't look at this situation as, again, like something where it's like a giant ulster or like a Bosnia situation where it's like there's kind of this, like organic migration of like Mexicans and, oh, you know, Mexico's reabsorbing California. That's not happening. And if it was, it'd be playing out totally differently. But that's also why it's capped. the claim, oh, California is liberal because of Mexican.

It's like, I mean, like I was saying, so, so, so Hispanics love Barbara Boxer. You know, and like the, some of Buchanan was saying was, you know, like, after, I mean, John McCain was like a total piece of shit, but he was also just like a fucking idiotic. And like, um, you know, he was, um, his kind of idiotic, uh, Paluka stand in campaign contra Obama. I remember, like, that was kind of the peak of the narrative, like, oh, like, white California is done. It's like, well, apparently it's not, man, because much as I might dislike the people who represent, you know, my own tribe's demographic, like, Gavin Newsom is almost certainly going to be, like, the nominee in 2028. And that guy's, like, that guy in his way for, like, his old money in California as, as, as it comes. You know, this is very, very fake, is my point. You know, like, it's not, like, the way people talk, you'd think that Mexico was making, like, sovereign territorial claims on, like, California and that, like, Caesar Chavez type guys were popping up and demanding access to government. Like, nothing like that is happening. And that's one of the ways you know that this is fake. And, like, don't get me wrong. There's, like, definitely a capital flight from California. And they've lost, like, a huge number of, like, white people. But.

Anybody who can is leaving California. And what's interesting, too, you know, I make the point, you know, I emphasize the point a lot. That's a mistake to try and, like, extrapolate from what goes out on the street or in the penitentiary or, you know, to, like, broader political demographic tendencies. But it does tell you something. You know, whites and Mexicans on the street in California, like, click up very heavily. and California is hyper-racialized. And like both serenos and whites, like, look at blacks as like they're ops. I go as far as to say, they actually hate them.

You know? And South Central, interestingly, you know, the California City Council, like, they don't call it South Central anymore. They really kind of have been trying to, like, wipe its reputation out of existence as, like, this kind of failing. black hood, you know, in the middle of L.A. I mean, that's kind of another issue. But, you know, what's now South Los Angeles, like, basically within 15 years, it lost, like, 40% of their black population. You know, I mean, that's the real ethnic cleansing, in my opinion. But the, you know, like, we were talking about the other week, and I'll get into the brass text of data and things in a minute.

Can I jump in real quick? Yeah, of course. Was that a, I mean, I've heard stories of Mexicans basically going in, you know, armed to clear out parts of South Central and to chase blacks out. Like, it's an open war. I mean, I don't know. It's possible. Like, all, what I do know is this, even like seriously racialized, like, white guys. They click up with, it's not just convenience.

Like them in the serenos have this, like, weird affinity. And they both, like, really, really, really have bad feelings towards the blacks. And it's not like that here. You know, like racist as we are in Chicago, even dudes in the gang, even like white dudes who gang bang, and even in the early 90s, like when things were really bad, you generally don't find dudes like hate bulls. blacks, even if they don't, like, associate with them. And even if they, like, respect the color line kind of rigidly. So, I mean, I, I guess my point is, it's, I don't accept that California just one day being super liberal, everything else aside when you've got this, like, profound enmity between

peoples. Like, that just, that doesn't happen. You know, like, that's just not the way things are. And I think, too, I think one of the things are going to kill the fortunes of black folks in California. I mean, the LA riots, it wasn't despite the way, I mean, now people don't talk about it, which is interesting.

I mean, like regime people and adjacent media elements, but, you know, the LA riots were basically blacks becoming like EBKs. Like, they went to war with everybody. Like, it's not like it was some, like, you know, colored revolt or

whatever. I mean, that kind of shit doesn't really happen anyway, but this is, like, really nakedly, like, black folks on the warpath. And that really scared a lot of people. It also, like, radicalized a lot of people. And, like, after that, it's kind of like the gloves came off. I mean, I know you got this, like, random black lady who's, like, the mayor of Los Angeles, but that's fake as fuck.

You know, like, California's got, they do not have, like, a friendly relationship with their black population. You know? And a lot of that. But that's also, too, you know, I mean, that's one of the reasons. Like when people try and paint this with some like Reconquista, there's not some like equivalent of the Watts riots where like Spanish people like went berserk and started like burning shit down. Like that never happened. And like it's not about to happen. I mean, not that that's the metric, but it's okay if if Mexicans are supposedly these guys with like conquest on their mind who, you know, again, or basically like the, you know, the provos of the Latin America who are trying.

to like turn California to Mexico, why aren't they doing that? You know, like, it doesn't really play out and it's a different, like, it's a different culture. Like these, a lot of these DLA guys, too, I mean, their families have been there for like a century and a half. Like, the fact they don't really identify with America, okay, but they don't like want to be part of Mexico either. I mean, it's like its own thing, you know? You catch them in the corner of your eye.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like, in East L.A., it's very much like a proletarian culture, and it's a very rough culture. You know, but it's like its own thing, man. You know, like, and I do have, I haven't been out there in a long time, you know, since like 2000, but as a kid, I was like around this shit. You know, I mean, like, I spent a lot, I spent a lot of time in L.A.

and in, like, Ventura Oxnard and, you know, like, it's not like it, with my point, it's not like I was like going to, like, Orange County or something. You know, like, I, um, I was, I was around, like, SoCal, like, Mexicans. You know, I could play, like, ball with them and stuff, you know, and, like, skate with them and shit. You know, I got to know somebody's guys, like, reasonably well. it was um i mean i realize the 1980s were a lot different but you know that well for our purposes um it's it's material but it's also just um you know i'll get into our

dad in a minute but you know too um i can't remember who made the point it might have been ron unse he made it for a different the kind of scene of booked it was different but um this 1960s onward, like the early 60s. I'm talking about like Kennedy era. Both houses of the state legislature were usually Democrat, at least by narrow

majority, but they weren't particularly liberal. You know, so this idea that oh, you know, if the Republican Party dies in California, then everybody's liberal. Like, that doesn't track either. You know, like you had

you had, you had you had these like mestizo people who are not remotely liberal in their outlook. And you had these guys who worked in, you know, like machine shops and stuff that kind of serve the aerospace industry. Like a lot of those people, they vote Democrat because like their union steward is like, yeah, this is who we vote for. You know, so that's kind of like a false veneer too because like supposedly the metric of what's going on in California is like who's voting for Republicans. you know and i Arnold Schwarzenegger is a total idiot but he uh

you know the the way he got elected was basically it was basically a single issue campaign and people were outraged at um was it Davis gray Davis or was it

um somebody else but who or Wilson or Gray Davis I can't remember but the big issue with Schwarzenegger's campaign was he was he was, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to repeal the, I'm going to repeal the statute that allows illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. So then suddenly, like, people just, like,

swarm to Schwarzenegger as, like, their candidate. You know, and I mean, so supposedly, you know, that, I mean, why would that even be an issue of California after 92 is, like, this iridentist, like, Hispanic paradise that's basically, like, as left wing as Sweden. I mean, like, that doesn't make any, it doesn't describe a political culture that actually exists. You know, and I think what's most kind of damning is, by the way, it was Gray Davis.

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, thanks. I'm almost sleepy, like, forgive me. But the, you know, the referendum votes really kind of what tells us that this narrative is, false. And, you know, Proposition 187, that's kind of like ominously named. Oh, I know. I remember that when that happened. I was like, oh, they did that on purpose. Yeah. So Prop 187, it was also known by these political action committees that devised it as the SOS initiative, save our state. So this is in 1994, you know, supposedly after like the new majority is controlling political processes, only the demographic shifts.

It was basically the harshest legislative regime in the country that would have deprived the illegal aliens of like all health services other than, you know, like emergency. care, public education, you know, social services. Like basically, it basically precluded anybody who couldn't prove they were a citizen from abailing themselves of any, of any social welfare aspects at the state level. You know, and this passed by supermajority on November 8th, 1994. I mean, it was over 5 million votes to about three and a half million. I mean, about a 59% majority. But what's most significant, it was only the Bay Area that opposed it. And, I mean, the Bay Area is not urban in the kind of, I mean, in the conventional sense, the founders of somebody Europeans like to visit it. So basically, you've got California with Prop 187,

You got California, from the Oregon border to San Diego, you could drive from tip to tip, and every single county you'd pass through voted for Prop 107 with the exception of, like, San Francisco and Berkeley. Like, that's freaking insane. You know, like, that's an absolute landslide. You know, and again, too, we're not, I don't accept this notion that, you know, a majoritarian consensus in counties is meaningless if they're, quote, like, rural or flyover, because that's this cap. But it would tell us something if L.A. had come out against 187. But L.A., 56% voted yes. You know, and it's like, okay, that was 30 years ago. But the whole point is 1992 is when it was declared that, as of now, California is permanently,

blue, you know. So then the Supreme Court steps in and reverses it. You know, but the follow-up two years later was Prop 209, which was euphemistically

branded the California Civil Rights Initiative, which basically, it was basically like the quota ban that was floated by people like Jesse Helms, like federally, but it went further. and it amended the California Constitution. It prohibited like any state government institution

from considering identitarian categories, like race, sex, ethnicity, national origin. Like they had to be like totally blind in their hiring and their contracting and allocation of education resources, college admissions. And this is a big, deal. It was authored by these two sociologists, these two academic

types. You know, and they did that, it's because that way opponents of it couldn't come out and say, like, well, this is a cynical, xenophobic ploy. It's like, no, they really dotted their eyes and crossed the proverbial tease.

This was the first referendum on affirmative action, like true referendum. You know, it passed with 55%. And once again, like the entire state like went for it you know it was the same basic breakdown as prop 187 you know so it's like so what so what exactly is happening here you know um and the the recourse of the open borders um crowd you know was to shop around for a federal judge

who'd repudiated and Pete Wilson um Pete Wilson was willing to fight in the in the federal courts but when Gray Davis replaced him like Davis basically just he basically let the appeal die just by like refusal to take action on it

you know um And so once again, I remember at the time, and people were still bandying this a decade later during, like, Obama's campaign. Like, oh, this was the last gasp of white America and conservatives. It's like, what the hell are you talking about? Like, it's like every time one of these, every time one of these referendums comes up, it passes by supermajority. and basically, you know, basically like the Ninth Circuit intervenes to, like, undo the mandate. I mean, like, that's not, you know, and of course, too, I mean, obviously, like, a substantial number of Hispanics, like, voted for these initiatives.

You know, like, this idea that, oh, Hispanics want to compete with illegal aliens for, you know, for jobs. and they're totally cool with wages being bottomed out, and they're totally fine with, you know, paying property taxes to, you know, to provide, like, daycare and grade school for random people who grass the border, like, why? That's ridiculous, you know? I mean, it, you know, so it,

and that's what should have been, that that's what should have, like, allow people to, a lot of the verbal scales to fall from their eyes. You know, even if you're one of these diluted people who, who thinks that, like, the Republican Party is somehow like synonymous with, like, white American opinion, or even if you think that the way to, you know, diagnose the political culture of any locale is, like, by how the Republican Party's doing. I mean, that's fucking ridiculous.

But even if the rebuttal is, well, what's the alternative metric? It's like, well, in California, it's right here because they've got this constitutionally mandated referendum structure or system. So there you go. You know, like we talked about when last week convened, you know, for the talk about this series, it was. from 1952 to 1988 every presidential

election but one went Republican and more often than not it was a landslide you know and then suddenly suddenly after 1988 you know the Republicans always lose California in the presidential election

and it's always by 10 points or more like that's not a statistical impossibility, obviously, but that doesn't really make any sense. You know, because there was no, there was no, there was no, there's no transition period. It's just like one day this changed, supposedly. And not only did it change, but it's like now California can never be a swing state. It's just always a blue, you know, it just can never be flipped. You know, that's not, that doesn't make any sense.

You know, there's a... Obviously, California is like the single greatest electoral prize. If you had an actually competitive system, like no matter how solidly, in like actual organic terms, California was aligned in partisan capacities. Obviously, in an actually competitive system, you campaign. your ass off in California to try to flip it because anywhere can be flipped. The universe is just a single issue. Like this idea that, oh, this is a safe state, so it can't be flipped.

That's ridiculous. That's Soviet. You know, like why? It metaphysically can't be flipped. Like, what does it even mean? You know, people should be smarter about that shit. You know, it's, and the only, um, And again, too, I mean, like I said, Schwarzenegger was an idiot, and he is an idiot.

But, you know, the whole, the reason why, like, his campaign and his ultimate election, that was, like, the big Republican comeback. And again, like, the only thing that campaign was built on was, like, single issue immigration concerns, man. you know and so it's like then every time something like this happens whether it's prop 187 whether it's prop 209 whether it's you know admittedly he's an idiot but like somebody like Schwarzenegger getting elected or whether it's you know a sudden like massive uptick and like support for trump like it's oh this is the last gasp of white America and conservatives

as I like every 10 years there's like another last gasp I mean like I don't you know and like I said I don't I stipulate that there's been this, like, massive capital flight, but such that there is any, um, so that there is like any, any, any, any equity remaining in California. It's, um, you know,

it's, it's, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's responsible for that. I mean, it's just, like, a fact. I don't, if, if they, if they, if they truly get chased out,

there's kind of no more California. You know, um, nobody really wants that to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, they don't, you know. And obviously they don't, because, again, like, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not some Spanish guy who's, you know, talking about a more dignified life for migrant farm workers. as soon he's

he's like leading the California Democrats. It's it's Gavin Newsome. He's like a caricature of a, is a caricature of some douchy, old money, um, you know, a social register type. You know, so I mean, none of this really,

by the metrics, um, by its own metrics, it doesn't, it doesn't track with anything, you know, and, um, I, uh, Yeah, that's the, that's the core of a, that's the core of the issue. And it's also too something at peak, I don't know what, I've had a hard time finding

meaningful data sets on this, but in the later 90s through, I think, about 2003, about 100,000 self-identified white Californians were leaving a year. And people claim this is what was responsible. This is primarily responsible for Asians capturing a bigger slice of verbal demographic pie in terms of overall relative population numbers. but that seems to have stabilized. I mean, California is still hemorrhaging people. But it's also these minority populations, as they're called,

you know, they're not monolithically left wing, like quite the contrary. You know, and if you look at, in terms of income and assets, you know, I find it hard to believe that a bunch of Taiwanese and Koreans and Japanese Americans in California are really, really enthusiastic about, you know, voting for some like permanent, you know, social justice regime out there. It's just not It just doesn't track, man And maybe

I think this is somewhat difficult for People to fully grasp who haven't spent time there Because it is a strange state Culturally and every other way But you have to spend time to fully grasp But it's not a liberal state culturally You know, it's very segregated It's very

there's a very sharp there's a very sharply defined distance between people who are well off and who are not far more so than here for example you know

so any any kind of effort to reconfigure or social engineer the political culture there it would very much be an edifice that isn't really propped up by anything, but rhetoric and gerrymandering, which will take you fairly far at the state level in a corrupt system.

But it's not sustainable and it's certainly not some spontaneous development, you know. and a point I make I was talking to Jay Burton about this on our last Radio Free Chicago episode. I don't fully understand why the Republican Party still exists. Why does it perennially exist? You know, that's not really precedented in America for the, for party systems, you know, to exist in perpetuity. I mean, just like it doesn't really have a context anymore, like the Republicans don't. But even if that weren't the case, it really doesn't have a context in California. You know, so again, that's a really piss-poor metric for trying to discern the mood of the culture in terms of political values.

If, like, your canary in the mind proverbially is, like, how the Republicans are doing. I mean, that doesn't really mean anything. You know, like, if I, if I lived in a truly battleground state, I'd vote for Donald Trump. But I fucking hate the Republicans. And I'm, by the, by American standards, I'm pretty right wing. Okay. I'd rather have a root canal than, like, vote for the Republicans. You know, like, they're faggots.

like it um so that that doesn't really tell us anything and um and plus too i mean even beyond that beyond any kind of like ethical objection like what of the like what of the republicans done for california like they nominate idiots like schwarzenegger they don't um you don't even get like tax relief from them in california you know and like anytime that they don't they don't have the stones to they don't like like again I mean Wilson

he he mounted like a kind of token challenge when the federal circuit overturned um overturned prop 1 87 but I mean they don't even like to live around that stuff they don't even go through the motions so it's like even if

you know even if you were inclined to to be like a a GOP loyalist. Like, there's no percentage in that in California because they never deliver on anything. You know, so you're better off.

You know, plus, like Tom Metzger said, like, when Metzger, during his, like, brief career when he was, like, running for Congress and stuff, and he actually did pretty well. That's an interesting story in its own right. But, you know, Metzger generally ran as a Democrat because, like, what difference does it make? It doesn't.

You know? It, um... So, yeah, it's a very, it's very, it's very imprecise and I go as far to say dishonest. You know, now that I expect a lot of integrity from this kind of superficial sociology that supposedly decifers the meaning of electoral patterns and things, you know. But in the case of California, it's particularly dishonest to invoke, um, Republicans is anything other than, you know, the official opposition. But it also, um, I was reading the other day. And I can't remember who it was.

It might have been like William Lynn, Bill Lund or someone like that was saying, he does, he, I think he was saying he doesn't think that like you can even have a circulation of elites like a new class of people ruling until the dollar falls. So you're asked like, how. How does the Republican, you know, why do we still have the Republican? I mean, can anything really change until there's a, like, a drastic, a drastic cause, something like a dollar failure, which has never happened. And Stormy says it's not going to happen. Yeah, I agree with them.

Like, people talk about how there's going to be, like, a punctuated event, like the crash of 29, like, that that wouldn't happen. and again, this system's too rubberized. And information awareness and, and, and, uh, this, the, literally like the velocity of data, like, would preclude it. No, no, I, I, I agree with the fact that I, I understand exactly why there's, um, it's, um, it's like a closed circle, you know, like the circulation of elites as it were, but like, this, like, this, like, totally out of date branding, like, oh, this is the Republican party. All the Republicans were was the committee to elect Abraham Lincoln.

Then they became like the America First Party, like Post Reconstruction, like the party in Northern Industry. And then they became like the Cold War Hawk Party, which didn't make a lot of sense in legacy terms. But it's like, why are we still talking in these terms? You know, like it doesn't, it doesn't really make sense. I mean, ditto how, dido how, like, in the UK is like the Labor Party. Like what laborers are they representing? You know, you'd think that there would have been like a rebranding. Or they, in America, they do away.

Because America, because the Republicans aren't a party. I mean, there's that, too. You would think that, especially after, you would think that after World War, too, but especially after the Cold War, you'd think that it'd be like, okay, here's the president, you know, here's like his loyalist. This is like the ruling coalition and this is the opposition. And like, why are they the Democrats? ass like that that's retarded you know um there there are a bunch of people like

Andrew Jackson really like I think I take some exception to that but um well and well they it seems to just be holding on to ideology so you the party adopts an ideology um whether it's a good ideology or not whether it's coherent or not and that keeps that keeps a certain portion of the, you know, of the population on one side or the other. Oh, we believe, you know, we're, we're, we're fiscally conservative, but, you know, um, culturally liberal over here in the Republican side. And on the Democrat side, you can be completely nuts and do anything you want. It is just, it seems like it's just to keep people, you know, motivated to keep this thing moving.

No, yeah. And I guess the dead. Existence. Yeah. It's important not, because it's not, it's important not to confuse people. So it's just familiarity that like sustains it. But it, I, I think it's very strange. I mean, that's one of the, I, I haven't published it yet.

But I did a write up on James Webb because I reread his novel Fields of Fire, which is one my favorite novels. The web was an important guy in the later Cold War. and he also, he takes, like, the center, like, Ulster Scott identity seriously,

and I appreciate that. But, you know, like, Webb, like, ran as a Democrat. You know, like, later, like, after he left the Senate, because he's like, what, what is it, why am I a Republican? Like, why would a Southern white guy, like, run as a Republican?

That's assigne. And, like, people to understand what he was talking about. And, um, unfortunately is, his campaign was kind of dead in the water. I mean, he, I like what he did in the Senate, but I, he kind of lost his way, I think, in tactical terms subsequent. But he was absolutely right about that.

You know, it's, um, it doesn't make any sense. You know, if I, I mean, I'd never, I, like, I was talking to one of the fellows, um, we were on the road. I mean, like, I, I'd never run for office. But if I did, because where I'm at, I'd run as a, I'd run as a, a Democrat, you know, because that's just what you do here. You know, like, does that mean I, does that mean I'm suddenly, like, I become, like, gay and, like, open borders?

Like, you know, it's, uh, yeah, shit doesn't make any sense, but it, um, I mean, politics is supposed to be a tool. So if you run as a Democrat, you're supposed to be using a tool, wielding a tool. Why does a tool have to have an ideology attached to it? Well, especially it's not even a party. I mean, it's like the whole, you're a party if you have dues-paying members. If there's some apparatus in place that, like, it forces consensus. There's an actual party manifesto and platform.

And if you don't abide it, you get kicked out of the party. Like, there's not, like, a Republican party. You're like a Democrat party. I mean, arguably, you can't have a political party in a system where there's single member districts and a winner-take-all. like electoral paradigm. Because like, how could you? You know, it's, um, the whole, as designed, you know, the, the constitutionally mandated electoral system,

it's, it's basically set up to, like, prevent the emergence of parties. So, yeah, there's, um, that's why it's goofy as hell when, when these kosher cons and, and, and these cringe fucking people, just the Democrat Party and see it's like what is the Democrat Party like what like who it's dues paying members

like what's it's what's it's official like platform like none of these things exist you know it's just it's just like rando saying like yeah we're the Democrats and in some way yeah like what's called the Democrats they're like they're like the official

ruling party you know and um and the Republicans the faux opposition but it's like okay it's then say that like say that like again like whoever the president is and whoever is loyalists are okay they're you know this is the ruling coalition like everybody outside of that is the opposition you know um yeah and that also that also points to like how you can't really have a party without an ideology and whenever somebody comes along with like okay coherent ideology like the paleo cons did like in the

early 90s you have to kick them out because it's like no we can't have an ideology here we have to be whatever we need to be at this one, from moment to moment, which makes sense in a, in, in a structure where you're just trying to get elected and you just want political power. But if you're actually going to be a coalition, like a party or something like that, you're going to need an ideology. So all ideology has to go out the window. No, and that's what that was the reason for like the coup against Nixon, you know, and I, because that's exactly what Wallis did.

Like, Wall was basically forced, which is incredible. He basically forced, like, Yankee Republicans to, like, take on what he viewed as, like, the essential aspects of, like, the, you know, the Dixie Krat plat, like, manifesto, albeit they were, like, moderated somewhat. But, like, that's exactly what he did. And something like the deep state shit is pants, and they're like, this cannot be allowed to happen. You know, Trump's a little bit different, but it's the same tendency, like, on display. but it's um what i'm curious about i mean this is a sort of another show i didn't mean to go straight too far afield from the topical focus but you know as there's this weird paradigm emerging where like complex and independence like true globalism on the economic side is like the

permanent reality but in terms of self-governance like it's it's all going to be local and uh you're gonna see You're going to see, you're going to see, like, cities and even, like, at state level, like, systems emerging where they basically have, like, what amounts to a proportional representation system and, like, all the name. And you're going to see the emergence of, like, real party structures, even if they're not called that. There's, like, echoes of that in a lot of municipalities, which I pay more attention to, because, like, in Illinois, it's weird. and like the outlying areas, especially south, especially south and especially northwards like Detroit. We're all kind of the same, like, sociological ecosystem and, like, good ways in bed. But, you know, there's a kind of a DIY and ethical secessionist, the tendency of foot. Like, I'm not saying people want to, like, formally secede, but de facto, they kind of are.

and there's a lot that goes into that. Everything from what, you know, what consumer technology facilitates to traditional ideas about policing and law and order kind of going by the wayside and, you know, people being able to make money in non-traditional ways. I mean, that's like my bread and butter. That's what I'm trying to accomplish. And I think that's going quite splendidly, I might add.

but you know that's the future so a lot some of this is going to like take care of itself but I I'm from California thing because like I said I

it's very positive especially among young people like Zoomer people and like a little younger like they they don't they look at legacy media as being totally full shit you know they're not susceptible to the bully pulpit

like the what remains of it but for some reason it's still got the capacity, these legacy, um, this legacy apparatus taken, like, in total. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's like man-made weather, you know, that's the quote from

the movie, um, and, um, people say, take it face value, like, oh, this is what the electoral map is, you know, like, California is just, like, safe blue. It's like, no, it's not, man. You've got to stuff thing that way. That's not reality. You know,

um, and, uh, it's not just about like being right or kind of like thumbing your nose at this, you know, kind of pitiable octogenarian tyranny. You know, it's important because this is built on an edifice of abject falsehoods. You know, and that's what's what's the Soviet Union. It'd be like, as it's not as the Soviet Union brutalizes people and, like, sends them to these Arctic death camps or that it punishes you for, putting God over a man. I mean, that, that's obviously that those are like very evil things, but he's like, it forced to, like, accept a lie. And if you accept a lie, he's long enough, and it's kind of like abide to them, like pretty soon you start lying to yourself. You know,

pretty soon you kind of lose not just the ability, but any interest in, you know, behaving as a rational adult, you know, like even in the conversations you have yourself. And, that's kind of the ultimate like the self-conditioning towards slavery. You know, that's why I hammer home the point about the 2020 steal. It's not because I care so much about Donald Trump, because I don't care about Donald Trump. You know, and it's not because, like, I care so much about, you know, arguing with like infotainment addled morons

it's because you know you you can't just like accept like abject lies at face value or like act like it's not important because it is important you know categories of mine are categories of reality and like this idea that like well

if I'm if you know hypothetically counterfactually oh I'm an authority so I'm just kind of like invent conceptual reality is because it's a noble lie Like, no, that's not acceptable. You know, and, um, that any, no rational, like, no rational adult, like, whatever is creed or race, but especially a white person, like, should not think that way, even for a minute.

You know, it's not, that's not the way, that's not the way free men with agency think, you know. But that was, um, yeah, for you remember kind of like sermonizing, man. I'm just, like I said, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just really tired. today. I don't even if you sound old and wane, but it's all, it's all good. I led the discussion. And, you know, one of the things you were, when you talk about like local, more local kind of in regional politics, usually when you get more rural, like around here, really the only thing that people talk about when it comes to, the whole discussions about national politics or how it's going to affect us is like how. How is it going to interrupt our lives?

How is it going to screw us up? It's not like, oh, we want this done for us. You know, we need them to come do this for us. No, it's like, how is this going to infringe upon us? Well, something to, yeah, no, that's what I, when I was out in Baltimore, when I started going out to Harper's Fury on the weekends, that's like the way the culture was. I made friends with, like, the local police and stuff.

Like, it was very much, you know, a different way of life. I didn't make friends with like the coppers because like I want to hang out with flatboards because that way they like they were used to seeing me and like my lady friend and my other buddy and they you know they they just it was just it's you know politics um of a certain of its own of its own type you know um that's also why like I'm I'm going to start you know spending um the winter months in Lynchburg because that's exactly yeah, that's exactly the kind of culture I want to cultivate

and I mean, it's, I like the South anyway, because it's awesome, but you know, that's the future. And, like, one of the reasons when I write Amtrak, it's not just because I'm, I don't like flying and I feel like Jacques Cousteau's cat when I'm in a plane and find it like, it like terrorizes me, but, but if you, like, when you write the Amtrak,

you realize how much, there's still remains like vast amounts of like just wide open space in america and like even with like um telecom and the electric eye being truly ubiquitous you know like in america unlike in europe unlike in japan unlike in you know um argentina you know you the the regime is like somewhat just like limited by physical distance by what it can do to you i mean obviously unless you're doing crazy things or, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like pounds of fentanyl or methamphetamine and, like, you know, like, and, like, and, you know, like, and stacking up, like, millions of dollars and ill-gotten

gains or something. I, I mean, yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's certainly, um, there's certainly ax no emissions that, like, cause the regime to, like, go out and coming after you, but, I mean, failing those sorts of things. you know, you can, you can, within a reason, do what you want. And it's basically, like, not going to be worth it to the state to, like, try and fuck with you. You know, and, like, people, that's something they take for granted. I don't think people realize how vast this country is. And they do, like, intellectually, not really, I think they don't realize that there's, you know, like, stress or one of the few things.

I think Gregor Strasser said that was intelligent. Despite a sympathy for arguably a sympathy for communism and despite his kind of autocratic paradigm, you know, you talk about like Europe of a thousand flags. And it was like all about like kind of distributed socialism. And, you know, I do understand the appeal of that. They're wrong, I think, and they're in the way they, conceptualize economics, but that's not real far from what I'm trying to accomplish in like ethical terms, you know, although it shakes out differently. But yeah, no, that's why these

are exciting times, man, because these objectives are being reached. In 2025 is when I am going to make, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to snowbird down in Lynchburg, and that's, that's not just exciting because I like it down there and our friends are there. But, um, that's kind of going to be like my base of operations for some of this stuff, you know. And like if you build it, like they will come, you know, like in the, like in the movie where Kevin Costner's like playing baseball against the ghost, the shoeless joke. I can't remember what it's called, but yeah, you know. The dreams.

Yeah, yeah, which seems like that kind of I, I'm just some people think that's like a hokey movie, but like I like baseball a lot, you know, and that that's actually like a really good movie, but yeah. That's a wholesome. It's a wholesome story that we don't really hear a lot about anymore. Yeah. No, and baseball is chill, man. Like, it's, and like to me, the pigskin game is king, but I, especially when, um,

I was having a whole lot of anxiety and stuff. Like, right, uh, when I got back online, um, like the 2020 baseball season, I, I actually became like a Red Sox fan too. Like, the Red Sox had an interesting lineup that year, but, like, watching baseball season. baseball like chills you out. At least I always thought so.

I mean, maybe not so much. You got to wager on it, but I don't know. I'll bet on sports book. But no, yeah, this was great, man. Forgive me if it was, that was too tangential and kind of conversational. But I, like I said, my energy levels aren't quite recovered yet, although I feel good. And last night was kind of a late night going to New Year's. All right, man.

Do some quick plugs. We'll end it. Yeah. I'm kind of on hiatus from the pod because we just wrapped up season two. I'm going to aim to February 1st at the latest. It's probably going to be like the last week in January that like the season 3 opener will drop. But in the interim, I'm recording other stuff with other people, including, you know, with the stuff we're doing.

But so I'll, so my substack remains active. It's Real Thomas 777. That's subsdack.com. Other than that, hit up my website. That's like the one-stop location from my content. It's number seven, HMAS, 777.com. And, um, you can find my social media links and stuff. there. Like I'm on X. I'm on

Instagram. I launched any Tgram channel. There's not going to be like a discussion aspect because I just get bombarded with like ops and like gross like porn bullshit and other shit I don't want to be available to. But I'm going to start I'm going to try and I'm going to start

like uploading some more like video content and a lot of it's going to find its way to the Tgram channel. So be aware it that, yeah, that's all I got for now, man. All right. Thank you. Until the next one.