The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1191: The Thought Crime Syndicate Talks About El Salvador

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

115 MinutesNSFWIn addition to talking about Bukele's strategy for dealing with street violence and the prison "industrial complex he's built," Pete, DE, Jose, and Charles get together again to talk about Pete's recent trip to El Salvador.DE's Telegram ChannelFundamental Principles PodcastCharles' Book - The Holistic Guide to SuicideJose's SubstackSubscribe to Jose's Newsletter10 Myths of Gun ControlJose's Mises.org PagePete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Head on over to freeman beyond the wall.com forward slash support and do it there. Thank you. And we're back. How are you gentlemen doing? What's going on D? Well, Pete, it's good to have you back, but I do have a very important question for you. What's that? What's it like being in a first world country?

I'll answer that after I say hello to Charles. Hey, what's going on, Charles? Hey, Pete. Good to have you back. Nice to see you again. Yeah. Well, here's what I will say. I will say that I've come to the conclusion that, you know, if you,

well, I've come to the conclusion that pretty much the only way that you're going to have any kind of order like that here is it would have to be widespread, but it would also have to be extremely localized. I mean, a national police force here. You have six, there are 6.6 million people in El Salvador. There's what, 350 million here? I mean, and we don't know how many illegals? So National Police Force here is probably just going to become another frigging USAID kind of bullshit program. So I think that one thing that I was taught by going there is that even though I think $6 million is still too many for a polity, for a proper polity, it's a lot easier to deal with than $350 million and that it just basically tells me more and more that, you know, We need to split up and we need to break this down into pieces and that if you are going to have order

and if you're going to bring order out of what has been disorder, then you're going to have to have a fuck around and find out kind of attitude. And that's what I saw there. The one thing that you see there is you see that there's still poverty and there's always going to be poverty because you have a certain segment of that population and a large segment is very low IQ and yeah there's not much you can do for them except you know nobles oblige and if they're all else if they're all salvadorians if they're all you know cousins related something that's a lot easier to do but the thing i saw from the richest neighborhood to the

barrios that we drove through and back and forth from the airport and taking ubers and things like that is that if you're going to clean up and if you're not going to have an armed presence on the street after that and I'm talking about they have a civil guard with shotguns. These are people who these are normally probably more like native to the land kind of people who were the civil guard. And then you have the military, which the military to me seem more like European Spaniards, and they're walking around with M16s, fully strapped, ready to go. That's just the way order is going to have to be done,

especially coming out of, we're not coming out of the era of being, you know, the murder capital of the world like they are. But there are sections of this country that none of us want to visit. So as a going forward, if you want to learn anything from El Salvador and what Buceli is doing is, I mean, there's numerous things, but I can start with, I'll talk about prisons if you want to. because I've learned a lot about the prison system down there, which isn't just, you know, a max where they put people forever. They have another prison system there, which is doing incredible things. And not just for the prisoners, but they're actually making them work for the whole fucking country. But if you are going to have order.

If you're going to, if if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, to be able to walk to the store at night without worried about getting hassled, then you're going to have, we're going to have to have a different, a different approach to how we deal with things. Absolutely. This is, yes. Well, I'm going to warn you guys ahead of time that I'm going to warn you guys ahead of time that I'm going to try not to step on toes, but this is all very much in my Ballywick. So forgive me if I keep jumping in very, very, very.

frequently. But yes, I co-sign everything you're saying, Pete, we have to, the entire view of both imprisonment and law enforcement in this country has to be completely reevaluated. Since most of our ideas regarding incarceration are about 200 to 250 years old, and they just don't apply anymore. They just don't apply anymore. It's that simple. Dee, please go ahead. I don't want to stomp on you. Well, no, that's all right. You know far more about. this than I do. I'll just, I'll just say that in some sociology work I did many years ago in college, right? You look into the history of prisons and it's this like absolutely bad shit Quaker idea of like, we'll just make you sit in your room with no books and like go to your room and I'm going to take your game, but you take your, take your Nintendo. And I'm going to give you just copy the Bible and you'll think about how bad a person you are and you'll feel bad and then you'll, then you'll reform your life. It's like not only your Quakers like, the, like, the, like, psychologically retarded in all kinds of ways, right? Like they're the most smug,

obnoxious sort of Northeastern Protestant out of everybody. But also, like, that doesn't, it barely, court sort of kind of almost worked in like rural New England or Pennsylvania. It really doesn't work with populations of red Indians and, mestizos and blacks and, you know, literally everyone from all across the world in New York, right? Like, I guarantee you there's prisoners, violent criminals in New York City from at least 70 countries in New York's jails right now.

At least 70. That's a safe. That's a safe estimate. That's a safe estimate. Rikers Island is definitely a multicultural, a liberal or progressive multicultural paradise. Right. I mean, because you, and so this notion that we can like, well, if someone doesn't have the IQ, right, like, I forget what the threshold is, but it's in the 90s, right, to honestly self-reflect. So if someone's, if some, some Negro dude who's got an IQ of 80s.

which is not unreasonable for that population, right? Right. It's literally not really capable of self-assessment. Setting him in a box, all that does is, like, endanger other people that are around him and maybe keep people outside safe and endanger the guards, right? Yeah, yeah, very much endangers guards, absolutely. And you have to, for someone like that,

like, you need to, like, throw them in jail for talking to Whitewood. And that's, and and people will be like, that sounds like, you know, what's the, oh, the kid that got lynched whose dad was a rabist who probably sexually assaulted. Emmett Till. Emmett Till. Emmett Till, right? Like, you know, that's the Emmett Till thing. He was killed for whistling at a white woman. Yes.

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And, you know, we all know, we all know what the difference is. But the, the cultural standard that worked in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, you know, Louisiana for a hundred years was boy, you don't even talk

to white women. Well, again, like, just to kind of rip on it. Yeah, just to kind of go into some of your points, Steve, like, remember, like, let's just wheel it back just a little bit. You were talking about these principles didn't really work in New England or barely functioned in New England, Pennsylvania, things like that, the areas that are Pennsylvania from, from all those places. Like, they barely functioned there.

And you were 100% right. That's what I meant by these ideas are antiquated. The goal was to put you in a cell by yourself. so you could think about what you did wrong. Okay, that might, might work with guys in this chat right now and people listening to this program. And even then, I would argue that probably wouldn't work completely well because obviously if somebody messes with either of your wives,

you're going to take, you're going to throw hands. You're going to do something. And there's nothing to think about. There's nothing to regret. What are you going to regret? No, I protected my family. This is my job. I'm a husband.

I'm a father. I'm a man. So, okay, so first off, we cut right through that. So if you might be fully justified in why you're in prison, so that's 50% off of your self-assessment anyway. And then even if you aren't justified, okay, guys with R IQ and the listeners, yeah, you might reflect and go, okay, I did something wrong and all that. But you don't need prison to do that. You could just sit in the backseat of a squad car and you'll go, man, what I did was stupid. I can't believe I did that.

I shouldn't have drank so much or I shouldn't let him get to me, whatever. You don't need prison. There's an excellent book by a man named James Berry. He was the last executioner. It's called My I always say, my thoughts as an executioner or something. His name is James Barry, if you look it up, and it says excellent. And he talks about how prison reform is absolutely, and the death penalty is absolutely necessary, but it needs to be reworked.

Because, again, you're not really applying it in a way that's fun. functioning properly. It's it's it's it's all backwards and it's all outdated and it doesn't it doesn't align with how most people to bring your point D it, most people operate. It just doesn't align with the actual operations of the world. The way we do things align with as you pointed out, you know, Quakers are already at all I'll be charitable. I won't say that they're weirdos or lunatics. I'll just say that it'll be charitable and say they don't think like most other people. They're a very unique subset of a subset of people, a subset of a subset. So you can't apply their standards to, as you said, Pete, you know, 70 plus nationalities, ethnicities, what have

you, in Rikers Island. It's just not going to work. It just doesn't work. And when we go down to the IQ, I want to say the average black in America is 85 and the average Mastizo is 86, if I'm correct. I mean, somebody in the chat, I'm sure in the audience could, could double check my numbers. But when you're dealing with an IQ, you're right about the Negroes and the, the mestizos are like 91, I think. Okay, okay. Something like that. It's not high. It's, it's not significantly higher. And when you add the fact, there's probably 10 times them than there are blacks, and we're still in trouble. But moving forward to the point I'm making here, like these people, you can't let them sit in a box and

think about what they did. Because instead of thinking about what they did was wrong, they'll think about how they can do it to get away with it next time. They're not reflecting on their punishment. They're reflecting on how they got caught. So that's why corporal punishment needs to come back. Again, to kind of address your point, D, about the whole, well, he was beaten for whistling at a white woman. It's like, well, because that's the only thing they understand. I can't sit them in the back of the squad car and let them think about it. It doesn't work. Again, not to be flipping, but these, are the people who answer the question, but I had breakfast, but I did eat breakfast. So how can you get them to reflect on their misdeeds? It doesn't work. You have to corporally punish them.

You have to bring back the stocks. Right. Well, if they're incapable of reflecting on, like, how would they feel if they hadn't had breakfast? They're certainly not capable of reflecting of like, how would my life be different if I had made better choices. Right. And, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll cuck out here and admit some leftist stuff is true. Like there are, you know, structural problems that, you know,

the whole individualist, right wing libertarian nonsense of just like, nah, man, like, if you grow up in an environment where it's normative that uncles drink and then molest their nieces like on reservations, like there's no way you're not coming up messed up out of that.

Like, I'm sorry. Yeah. You can't just like bootstrap your way into, into like being a functioning healthy human being. I'm sorry. Like it's just, it's just not.

Now, the question then becomes is like, how does the wider society deal with dysfunctional populations inside of it? You're like, do you like encapsulate it and then cut it out? Do you like, what do you do? Like there's this,

this tumor in the body politic where, you know, it's normative to like get really high and hurt. people or drive drunk or like you know mestizo's love love child molestation that's they're like bat and driving drunk those are their two favorite you know um so yeah i know first like what do you do with those people yeah right and so like if that's the thing that they do right just just like jews and financial crime like like if those are things that they do how do you deal with that and in naibu kelly god bless

him, the best president in the world right now. He actually is dealing with reality in front of it. I can't remember which king it is, but, you know, someone was like asking, I think the Austro-Hungarian emperor, I'm probably wrong, you know, or maybe the Serbians is like, you know, why don't you act more like the king of the Swedens, the Swedes, who does this, this, this, this is when my people their Swedes, they'll act like the king of the Swedes, right? Yeah. Now, you B'Kelle, understands, like, he's the president of El Salvador.

And so he needs to treat them like El Salvadorans, which is to say, like, nah, bro, you got the face tattoo, whether you're guilty or not, I'm going to treat you like you act. And you act like you murder people for fun because you got the cheer drop tattoo on your face. Now, whether you did or not, we'll leave that up to the courts to decide. But in the meantime, go to jail. Yeah. And I want to raise a point here to your, I want to raise a point here to your quote about the, when I'm king of the Swedes, I'm king of the Swedes.

I'll treat my people like their Swedes when I'm king of the Swedes. Yeah, what I like to bring up in times like this is that often and frequently misquoted passage from the prince where Machiavelli writes, when in the question of whether it is. is better to be loved or feared. Everybody immediately jumps to, oh, it's better to be feared than love. It's like, well, that's not actually the real quote. Yeah. The real quote is in the question of whether it is better to be loved or feared, the answer is, of course, it is best to be both. It is best to be both. So to go back to the point that you were raising there, like, Dee, you're a father. I'm not doxing anything about that. You've made that publicly known. If you really love your children, you're going to treat them like who they are, like who their father is, who their

mother is, what they are the product of. You're not going to raise them like they're somebody else's kids. Why? Because your kids have specific needs, respond to specific things, desire certain things, and need certain concessions that other children don't, and those other children need different things than your children. It's not a matter of more racism. It's not a matter of hate. If anything, it's a matter of love. You understand the people that are in your charge, that are under your care, and you address their needs, their behaviors, and you discipline them in a way that will turn them into the best possible citizens of your household.

Does that make sense, Steve? Do you see where I'm going with that? Absolutely. And not only that, but... Hey, guys. Hey, Jose. How's it going? What's happening?

We're just talking about Pete's trip to a first world country. El Salvador, yes. And in fact, this is, okay, so without getting too doxy, some of my children are more talented than others at certain academic stuff. Okay. My expectation for the child who's really good at, say, math, is that they get an A in math. And that's the expectation.

And if they don't have that, then there's consequences. Because I know they have the talent. And if they're not getting it, then they're just not working hard and they're being lazy. And I might have another kid who struggles. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back.

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Right? Yes. And if you treat every child like they're like a naturally talented athlete who's also very smart and good looking and sociable, then you're, you're harming those children. Because maybe they're not sociable.

Maybe they're nerdy. Maybe they don't like, you know, you're the responsible party. You have to act and treat each child differently based on what their strengths and weaknesses are. And if you treat them all the same, right?

You're going to retard the talented ones and like give the ones that aren't talented complexes because you're like, well, why aren't you know, why aren't you running the hundred in, you know, 11 seconds? Well, because I'm not good enough. Like, I'm not naturally a sprinter. So why, why are you holding me into this, you know, high level sprinter standard? it's and in a similar fashion, right? If Nyebu Kelly was like, in El Salvador,

we're going to change the economy so that everyone is a computer engineer and we are going to make ourselves the tech hub of the 21st century. People would be like, are you high? You're dealing with El Salvadorans, man. Like, they're not going to do that. Right, right.

And expecting them to do, that is stupid. And one thing I will say is that it's more, you can talk about that easier down there amongst, as long as you're not near the academic class. Because I went to a museum and I got to hear from some young, young kid who spoke perfect English work at the museum, yada yada, would explain exhibits to you and everything. you know, about, oh, the, the, the poor, unfortunate innocent souls that got, you know, swept up in these. I mean, it's, no one is, you know, shit lives that we have here who would

scream, no, no, everyone can be an astronaut. Everyone can be a rocket scientist. Everyone can be, you're just, he's not going to listen to that. And the, the, the culture. there is leaning towards, yeah, we're not going to listen to that. We're not going to get out of what we were and get to be, you know, a country that people actually want to come to or businesses want to come to whatever they want to do. Hopefully they don't turn out like Ireland did. You're going to have to squash that shit when people start saying it because that's the kind of shit they'll say here. Yeah, well, and not only that, but like to talk about something, you know, we all four of us participated in the race born high school series, right? How messed up is American education because we just can't admit that not everyone is supposed to go to college?

Right. You know, in El Salvador, they'll be like, look, man, you hate school. Like, yes, I hate school. you love working on engines. Like, yes, I love working on engines. Okay. Can you balance your checkbook? Yeah, I can.

Can you do enough basic math to like, accurately the gear ratios need to for your, for, you know, messing around with engines? Yes, I can. Can you write a coherent sentence?

Can you write, you know, write well enough to conduct daily business? Yes, I can. All right. Here's an apprenticeship. or working on engines.

Go work at the garage. They'll pay you and you'll get, you know, high school credits for that. I don't know if they're doing that in El Salvador, but that's the sort of thing that they should be doing. You know where they did that? Germany. Germany, Prussia. Yeah. And then they tried to export that over here and why wasn't that going to work here?

Because you don't have a coherent culture where people are going to be like, yeah, I want to work. to make the country better. No, I want, we've been so, we've been so hyper brainwashed by individualism. No, I need to be a scientist. I need to be rich. I need to be a lawyer. I need to be a doctor. Well, no.

I mean, that's what a coherent culture does. Well, that's true, but also in the United States, right? The second, I mean, we, we tend to forget this, but, you know, in 1957, the United States actually cared with the global because of the Cold War the, you know, racial diversity in America was a stick to beat America with. And if, if we'd actually done the Prussian education thing and didn't be like, look, you know, 95% I think you mentioned this on Jason's show, Charles. Everyone should go check that out. Our friend Jason Marionich had had Charles on. It was a really good episode. Um, like four percent or, like, four percent or,

less of the black people would be in medical school that are presently in medical school or something like that. It's it's it's less than 10% for sure right. Oh, I heard I heard a number on on a podcast. It was um, uh, it might have been Scott Adams was talking about it where he was saying that if if it was purely on merit point zero, it's 0.5% of the medical school, people accepted to medical school in this country would be black. Okay. That might have been something I heard from you, Pete. I, sorry. I get confused. I mean, it's, it's an insane number that, you know, it's like you hear it and you cringe. You're like, holy shit. Yeah. Well, and that's probably accurate. To step back to your point, Pete, your point, Pete, about the whole, well, I want to be a lawyer.

I want to be a scientist. I kind of. I kind of think you're actually even being charitable with that. Because as I talked, as I spoke with millennial woes for millennial, I mentioned, I mentioned that America had devolved due to, it's probably due to its, malloc worshipping small segment of its population that just got focused, they turned individualism into just hyper greed. And it says, everybody wants to be rich. I want to be an influencer.

I want to be wealthy. I want to be rich. I would actually kind of prefer if they just wanted to be lawyers or scientists because, hey, I want to help people or, hey, I want to cure the sick or I want to help people from losing their homes against, you know, the abuses of imminent domain laws or corporate, repine corporate culture. But no, it's not. It's just I want to be rich. I want to be rich. I want to be rich. It's all about me. It's going from the land of the free home of the brave to the land of the me, home of the slave.

And it's just tiresome. It's all tiresome. So yeah, I agree with your point. I just wish it was even as altruistic as what you painted it as. I sadly think it's even bleaker than that. Jose, I was saying that I started off talking about how, you know, obviously in the poorer neighborhoods and the barrios, which was really MS-13's stomping ground where they were just shaking down businesses and things like that. You know, now they have. have armed, they have armed security, they have civil guard, and they have military, but not just there. It's everywhere. It's like, I mean, it's a show of force. It's a fuck around and find out. Look what we accomplished. Look what it took to accomplish this. And we're not going to let this ever happen again. So that's sort of how we got off on this. Yeah. I'm fascinated by the case of El Salvador, those to show that if you actually have the right type of leadership, you can make things happen even in a country that is as like demographically and historically wretched as El Salvador has been, that you can make concrete progress on that. I wanted to also

double down on one point that Charles made. I agree that now things have the involved in Western societies where people's aspirations are just to become like social media influencers and other people that just accumulate social media clout as opposed to providing productive goods and services for a society, much less trying to make society prosperous and for current and future generations. It's just pure service for Mammon and accumulating social media likes and dopamine hits. Yeah, the, where was I going to go with that? Well, what I was going to do is I wanted it to transition to talking about the, you know, basically what society would become in the absence of these people to what you do with these people. You catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive by design.

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had the will to defy the judges and had the will to basically take the military into courts and be like, I'm in charge. I'm sorry. You're, we're doing this and there's nothing you can do about it. It's also the fact that he had to have someplace to put these people. and, you know, it goes beyond the prison that he set up the, the Seacot prison, which is, you know, you're never going to see the outside again. You know, that's the maximum security where he put the absolute worst of the worst.

He's actually set up a prison system outside of that with the people who aren't, you know, don't deserve life in prison or really what we know what they really deserve. where they have to, they're rebuilding the country. And they're not only rebuilding the country. He's kind of forcing them to rebuild themselves. Because, you know, a lot of these people who are in there, not all of them are gangsters and career criminals. A lot of them are professionals who fell into some shit because that happens.

It happens in every society that has where, you know, there's organized crime and there's crime and there's money to be made in a black market or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's another conversation we have to have because our prison systems are bullshit. I mean, it's Alabama and Mississippi have the worst. I mean, there's half these people probably shouldn't even be in prison. And the ones that are in there shouldn't be anywhere. You're mixing people who don't belong together. And also, you have a fucking workforce that could be rebuilding.

certain things, not just picking trash up off the friggin' side of the road. Yeah, there's a lot. That's just the anarchity of the American system. Yeah, it is. It is. The American system, right? We, we, and because we, because we have this insane devotion to equality and a few other issues, right?

We have no, we can't be realistic about the sociopathic crime problem we have, where we have, you know, this dedicated, you know, this small group of, just animals really that shouldn't even really be in prison they should they you know they should have been you know you light a you let a nun on fire you shouldn't be in jail for 30 years you should just be you know given your last rights and from neck till dead right but we have that problem and then we have the guy who couldn't meet his child support because there's no place in the economy for a guy who's you know fundamental decent but kind of stupid.

Right. And we have a lot of those people of all different types. Now we have more of those people because of the racial makeup of the United States of America. But, you know, like, what are you going to do? We criminalize not being wealthy, right? You can't pay your taxes, so we're just going to throw you in jail. And you're in the same jail as, you know, guy who lit none on fire. And we can't make the distinction between a guy who missed his child.

support payments because there's no jobs available for a guy with a, you know, 93 IQ with a drinking problem and, um, and a guy who, I would say that we can make the distinction. We just don't want to and we're not allowed to because we're going to point out maybe certain demographic differences. We don't want to point that out because that would be mean. That would be mustache man. But move, but to still move on with your point, still go alongside your point there. One of the things that drives me crazy about the understanding of criminal justice is people think the death penalty is for vengeance. It's not for vengeance. That's really what it should be for.

And they forget about really what its purpose is. And that is to clean the gene pool. You're throwing chlorine in the gene pool and to clear these people out. Like, we all have to remember that one of the reasons European society became more peaceful is because we killed a whole bunch of our own that were problems. Like you said, Dee, we hung them by the neck till dead. What did they do in the earthquake in Lisbon in the 16th century? What did they do to looters, Dee? What'd the king say?

He said, hang them all in the hillsides so you can see everybody so we can know what you're not allowed to do. It's not really about vengeance. I would argue it's not even really about justice. It's about clean the gene pool so we don't have this problem any longer. But you're not allowed to talk like that. That's eugenicist. That's mustache man. So now we throw everybody in the same rape case.

which, by the way, is an interesting point of American criminal justice history. Do you know why organizations like the Aryan Brotherhood and white nationalism became a big thing in prison? Would you care? Any of you care to guess why that became a big thing in prison? Oh, I know exactly why. Go ahead. Because it was the only way for them not to get beaten to death. Yeah, it was the only way for the white guys to get extorted, beaten to death or sexually assaulted.

To survive non-death penalty sentences. Yes, yes, because any sentence was becoming in the 60s and 70s effectively a death sentence. Whether it was given by the courts or not was irrelevant. The other inmates of color were going to kill them. So therein was founded the Aryan Brotherhood and a lot of other the white Nationalist prison gangs. So yeah, we just throw these people in the same rape cage and say, oh, okay. Oh, and also while you're being raped, think about what you did wrong. It's just, it's pure insanity.

And by the way, the name of the book I just remembered, it's my experiences as an executioner by James Barry. Also, I highly recommend the book, the truth about lynching in the South. Both of those books are our public domain and you can find them with an easy internet search. Please, Jose, it looked like you were going to jump in by all means. Well, let me just add something real quick, Jose. And not only the public is taught to joke about men being raped by other men. It's a punchline. Yeah.

And I don't mean to minimize it. Thank you, Pete, you're saying that. I really don't mean to diminish it. Thank you. That was not meant to be a punchline for me. And I appreciate you saying that. Thank you. Because it was not at all meant to be a punchline.

It really wasn't. It was meant to say, look at how awful this is and we still expect you. Okay, yeah, okay. But I do appreciate it. it. Yeah. We're like, no, this stay. Yeah. Okay. Continue, please. I'm sorry. A few years ago, I used to watch some of these prison channels

on YouTube and what I gathered from a lot of that was that the whole prison system in many ways for, was almost like kind of like a, now has like degenerated into like a reward for a lot of these like dysfunctional criminals because they can just like

go, um, commit any type act of violence and then go like straight into like a prison where there's already like a racial hierarchy where they'll just like thrive in and then like take it out on like other like white prisoners and then like if they get released sometimes

it gets so used to the prison system that they like instantly commit a crime just get back in it kind of like doesn't serve a purpose like I actually agree with Charles that the death penalty really is a genetic cleansing mechanism that should be used a lot more

and that's why I'd like, I say like more mass executions as opposed to mass incarceration. And also the racial aspect, though, of the prison system is very instructive because it's the most extreme form to demonstrate like the dangers of like multiracialism. Like it just goes to show like you have to like band together or you will die. And unfortunately that reality of the prison system, it's becoming a, it's becoming, increasingly the reality of the open-air prison that is multiracial USA these days. Let me do this, and I know that this could be... Just one thing wrote there real quick. If people are interested in the theoretical justifications for the death penalty,

I can highly recommend philosopher, Professor Edward Faser, F-E-S-E-R, Edward Faser's book, By Blood, Shall His Man Be Shed, it's a comprehensive view of the philosophical underpinnings of the debt penalty. And I can just say that it's not only is it 100% justified, it's, I think, obligatory. Let me share this. And I'm going to share screen. And I'll preface this by saying, yes, this is a white kid who was allowed to basically go into the El Salvadorian prisons

and do a quick documentary. And it could look like a Potemkin village. It could look like propaganda, which it probably is. But it also gives you an idea of exactly that Buckelly is not only about, okay, we need to clean up the streets. No, we need to rebuild this country. And what we have a frigging workforce that's available to rebuild it. So let me share this with you guys. And I think that you will, you know, we'll play it a little bit and you can tell me to stop whenever.

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These prisoners are quite literally helping to build a better El Salvador. This is all because the president, Naïneu Keli, plan called plan Cedar Oscio, which translates to plan of no leisure. Where prisoners are typically locked away inside of prison itself serving their time. The prisoners here in El Salvador are working 24-7 to help build a better El Salvador. El Salvador has gone through a... Obviously, I sped up the video just for anybody who's wondering. And actually, he makes a great point that the president has...

Go ahead, Dee. Go ahead, Charles. Well, the president... President Buckele said in one of his addresses, like last year, Why should people who's the average El Salvador and whose meals are tortillas and rice and beans, why should they pay for prisoners to have meat? Yeah. And, you know, mercy to the guilty is injustice to the innocent. And the idea that we should have this huge population of people who are idle and consuming nothing or doing nothing but sitting in their prison cells is ridiculous.

like they should work. Well, also kind of goes back to your point earlier regarding there, you know, there are people in there that are just in there because of, of, you know, didn't pay child support or whatever, things like that. Now, maybe not this specific prison per se, but I'm talking about the overarching plan of no leisure to use his and also to use Pete's point earlier that some people, you know, are in there because they just got caught up in things. And it's a very corrupt society that was getting cleaned up and they got drawn in.

But now you're actually giving them something to do. Remember, the idle hands are the devil's workshop. So you're giving these people something to do and you're giving them something to work towards. If you just throw them, and again, I don't say this flippantly, if you just throw them in a rape cage, what are you giving them? What are you giving them? What goal are you giving them to progress towards? Now, perhaps I may be being a bit optimistic here. I'm not saying all of these men are going to turn into engineers and world-class scientists,

but I don't see it as an unreasonable expectation or a pie in the sky hope that a lot of these men just find meaning in life again and just find meaning in work again. Because again, that's man's curse to toil to work. And without it, he self-destructs. So I think his idea of plan of no leisure is, great. And it's also, and I'll close with this and let it get back to the video very briefly, it's, if you're going to want, if you want your population to work, then you can tell, then the best way to do it is what he's doing, which is to say, you can either get up on

your own, put your shoes on, kiss your wife, goodbye, go to work, get paid, get benefits, come home, have dinner, watch TV and go to bed. Or you can stay in a cage with everybody here and get up when we tell you to get up, do what we tell you to do, go to bed when we tell you, to go to bed and watch TV. But either way, you're going to be working. You can choose how you want to work or we're going to choose. That's your options, but you're not getting out of work either way. That's my piece.

Dangerous country in the world to now the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. I'm going to show you guys a large reason why we'll be starting off this video going inside of this prison here and then we'll be going to another prison where nobody has ever actually gone into before. I will be the first person to ever receive access to go to where we're going today. Make sure you guys get this video like and subscribe the channel. We're on a mission to get the 500,000 subscribers as of right now. And now let's go inside of the prison.

Here we go. Let's do this. We entered into the first of the two prisons we'll be going inside for this video. Throughout the video, the intensity and the production of the prisons will increase as our phases to the prison here and be ready for some things you would never expect to see inside of a prison. Now it was time to go meet the warden who will be guiding us throughout the first prison, La Esperanza. And what's it like in here? Here, the day-day is a work in the different

talliers that we have in the center penal and learnisages, to learn, learn, learn, things new, things that they're when they're in

freedom, to be able to do you, what's the difference between the prisoners here inside of this prison versus the prisoners that are inside Seqq.

The difference is that what we have been internos common, or have been collaborators, of form obligated for the pandas. No, we have

pandierers active here, all the pandillers were taken from this central penal and If you do not know what Sechot is, it is a maximum security prison here in El Salvador, where the most dangerous gangsters go to live the rest of their lives without ever seeing the light of sun again.

However, in this prison, it is completely different. And so what kind of crime did someone have to commit to be inside of one of these prisons? There are all kinds of delito, but the most common are violations, robos, and staphas, this type of delitos is the most common here. And how long can somebody be in one of these prisons for? For what time is the maximum time that one can be here? There are in 10 years.

Everybody you're seeing in this video that are not, this video that are not police officers or have a camera inside their hand are all prisoners that are then being put to work. Plan Cedrocio literally means plan of no leisure. These prisoners are being put to work 24-7. If they're not eating or sleeping, they're either studying or working here inside El Salvador. So they're prisoners. They're also. They're just on... Yeah, they're privates of liberty, that's parking. And how many people are here inside this prison? And because these prisoners are always occupied, we entered into the first classroom where they were learning about medical procedures. We have one classroom right here, and right next door, there's another classroom as well, and these guys are also learning.

So there's literally no leisure inside of the president. No, no, no, we don't know so. Everyone has to be occupied in some activity. What's the youngest person and what's the oldest person inside of the show here? We're from the teachers, until the 59 years. Who's the professors? Who's the professors? They're the same, but they're internal, but are menikos or are taking formation related.

Even the teachers that are teaching these classes are also prisoners that were once somehow educated enough inside of the field that they're currently teaching it to teach an entire classroom. So this prison is becoming completely. auto-sufficient and how they teach, how they learn, and how they're able to go about their business here with everything that they do. Right here they're doing a practice here. You can see they have a person on a stretcher. They're doing a practice so that way these people are learning how to become medics as needed eventually. One, two, three. And right now they're undergoing practice. For example, right now, this is a CPR practice they are doing.

And they have even gangman style on the back right now. One, two, three, four, five. Is that civil? Yeah, yeah. Right now they're doing a medical course. And so that was part of the practice with a CPR test. And I think everybody passed. All past, right?

Sure, that's the objective, to to help and prevent lesions. And before you were here inside of this prison, were you also in the medical field? Yes, we're both of the medics, and we've three medics, and we're in the program of the promoters of the salus. And how long do you've been inside of this job for?

Two years, How many time will stay there? Six years. Six years. What are? Droga. And now inside of this classroom, they're learning about chemistry here.

Inside of each classroom, there's a biometric thing here that scans each person as they walk into the classroom to make sure they're authorized to come in and they're not missing any classes. They even keep training. Who comes to plastic?

There's absolutely no ditching here inside the prison. And what was it like here inside El Salvador and in the prison systems here in El Salvador before Nike became president? In this center, in this center penal, what you saw in these murals, graffiti of the bandia. It was a,

it was a trafficer incredible of illicit. Traficed drugs, trafficked objects prohibited in the center penal. There were bands that were disputed here inside, here into the complex,

the control, the vent of drugs. In this center of penal, there were many massacres. Because the bands formed the CIA needed its funding, so of course. Is it true that they used to... Well, is that?

The CIA needed its funding, you know. So, of course, there were drugs smuggled, right? But, no, it's something worth talking about here just briefly, right? And in this, there's a lot to be disappointed with Trump. He's, you know... Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th, because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back.

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I guarantee it that they're that the you know, open society foundation or whatever you want to say like was was helping make the prisons in El Salvador are the way they are and or the way they were and it's the rejection of that that is leading to success you know one of the things that Buckele is doing is getting rid of all the NGOs in this country well you know who who you know uh democracy advocates are the ones who like well your prisons are cruel well maybe it may be people who commit crimes don't deserve leisure. Maybe people who are, you know, murderers don't deserve, like, just chill on the taxpayer nine. So I, I guarantee you that the reason, part of the reason that their,

the prisons were so dysfunctional prior to President Bekele is, is that American money, which is to say, um, uh, Jews in America wanted, let, you know, wanted that place to be dysfunctional. because it's easier to exploit if it's dysfunctional. Once a prisoner has proven himself and passed various exams and evaluations, they are then moved to the prison called Lagranha, where they are then called a person of confidence. Inside of this prison, the prisoner is able to work without as tight security, and they help produce all the food for the prison systems here in El Salvador.

They even have farm life, and this is home to the new controversial fabric factory that I will be going into very, very soon. I met with the warden to get a full tour. What's the difference between this prison and the prison we were just at in Las Peranza? So this is the center of apprenticeship and this is where the activities that have learned, the privates of the Privates of Liberty.

So essentially this is where someone goes after they graduate from that last prison where we were just at right. Obviously, there's been also, there's, and criteria for being in a center like this. This is the best prison you could possibly be in before you are then sent in public. This is. Here's where they're going to execute the

Ours that they're going to be now we're heading into the Industrial Kitchen here where they make over 20,000 meals a day for the prisoners inside of El Salvador. Before taking the food into the factory, they harvest it all and the fields outside, and they then take it inside, is where they provide all the food for all the prisoners across del sabo.

So here is one of the fresh-made meals here. They have the beans, rice, and some tortillas in there. You're one of the chefs here. Yeah. On a scale one in 10, how would you rate the quality of the food here? This is a new. And how much longer do you have here inside of this show? You found how much of you today here in this carso?

It's yours. What crime did you commit? What crime did you commit? Take people to deliques you so. Ah, I do traffic a drug. And the precision these guys are even just cutting these tomatoes with. It's actually insane. That got over there had it super,

It's super, super organized and these guys are just cutting non-stop tomatoes. I don't know how many hours they do this today, but they're going at it right now and none of them are even stopping. What are preparing here? What's up for the center? Wow, it's a lot of hours. How many hours are you here every day? And how many hours of day do you sleep? For what's hours a day, do you're not.

And not even access to cellular, Facebook or something? No, nothing of that. And what do you do to have fun? We do this sport and also, we can't have permitted to be, for hours, that are debilatimely censored and revised by the equipment. Right here they're making the cookies and then right here they're making the tortillas for the food.

It's so fascinating here because everything is so streamlined and done so quickly here. Everybody moves from one spot to the next, one spot to the next, one spot to the next, and there's no time for anything to be wasted and everything that does get put to waste is then put back into the machine. There's no waste here inside of this prison.

How many hours are you doing? Eight hours. What did you do to get here? It was a rob, grab. What did you do? Now it was time to enter into the new massive megafactory here inside of this prison. And this building is absolutely massive. Just look at this. We are the first people ever to receive access to where we are right now.

This is a new building that built here inside of the prison where you can see there are thousands upon a thousand of people that are working on fabrics here. These same clothes are going to use for schools, for the prisoners outfits. Any outfit for the government will be made here inside of this room right here. How many people are here working inside right now? We have around 2,200 people working on. They're working on? They're working on what are they working on the uniforms,

as well as they're doing the uniforms, as well, as well, also the programs that are they are to do, institutions. So the Coal they make here will be used for the prisoners, but it'll also be used for hospitals, schools, and other projects as well. This is a maquilla national.

Here's going to execute the elaboration of the uniforms, of the, the time of the Ministry of Education, the uniforms, right? So, they're going to confectioner, Here inside of this prison, what are we seeing now? Here, we're seeing here. Here, we're in this carselle.

We're seeing here. All the area of textile. All these companies have been totally null to this place. In this place, it's even enabraing a machine. In this place, it's how enabra a machine. For those who are listening to this,

it is literally thousands of people sewing. I mean, I'm not, am I exaggerating by saying thousands? I don't think so. No, it looks like there's at least 1,500. 2000. Yeah, I'd say, I'd say it looks very much like that, about 2,000 people.

It's massive. I just want to say something, too, regarding today, pause, regarding the food. I think it's interesting that they probably eat better than most Americans outside of prison, because everything's grown on the farm. It's not a bunch of highly processed slop. It's not, again, not to try and buy too heavily into the propaganda. But I mean, like you can just look at it. Look at it.

You can see the farm animals. You can see the, you can see the vegetables. It's like, and it's all in-house. It's not just a bunch of, of carted in, highly processed garbage. So you wonder if that's, you have to think that that's going to have a positive impact on their outlook and on their, their, their hopefulness, their, their progress, their personal and mental, physical and spiritual progress. just because they're eating better food. And also one thing I want to point out, in case the audience is unaware, like prisons are tremendously profit generating for a lot of outside contractors.

And that's why they want people in them. That's why they want to fill them because they make tons of money off of it. You ask somebody how much it costs to mail a letter outside of prison, how much they get charged for an envelope, how much they get charged for paper. They don't want prisons but making their own stuff, making their own uniforms, making their own food because they can that's tons and tons of money to contractors to sell very low quality goods at very high prices yep and one of the biggest unions in the state of california is the correction officers union so we have that vector but just to speak to the clothes thing real

quick and um emico johns talked about this recently every every nation that industrialized did so by first making their own clothes because everyone needs clothes and they're relatively simple. So just like NAFTA destroyed the Waukian farmers, right? Their corn couldn't compete with I Amokorn. A lot of these South and Central American nations can't industrialize because they can't complete with, you know, the millions of T-shirts that were going to to the last year's Super Bowl loser that, you know, they print up, you know, 100,000,

you know, Chiefs versus 100,000 Eagles. And, you know, all the, you know, Chiefs Super Bowl champions of this past year, T-shirts get sold or given to people in Africa and Central America. So not only are these guys learning useful trade, but they're actually helping industrialize their own country. you got anything Jose one point dee raised about

the NGOs reminded me as well in respect to I think Japan's prison system which is actually really similar to the solid door end model which is heavily focused

on work in fact apart from like the time served, if I am not mistaken that you have to serve in the Japanese prison system, you are expected to pay off a certain monetary debt. And to do so, you actually have to get a type of skill in there. And a lot of these NGOs really do hate the idea of hard labor. They prefer the status quo model, or at least like even something that turns prison system into just like some leisurely lounge to just encourage people almost

to get in the prison and it creates the cycle of like rent seeking groups that profit off of this while the criminals that get out they're allowed to just continue to re-cavick and in effect create this society-wide

strategy of tension and it is in my opinion pretty insidious the way the current system is designed and that's why any type of like country, whether it's El Salvador or some East Asian disciplinarian, like East Asian country that tries to break free from the model, it gets demonized because it is a threat to the present system. All right, going to restart this and keep it going because there's some more really good stuff in here. A machine, as to produce a product a product.

We'll do this thought before. We're talking totally for the brand for the government. We've produced also uniform of the force armada, of the law, of the agents, penitentiary. So all the ram, what has to be We're going to start to the project of the uniforms for all the school for all the schools of the of the country, of all the schools of the country. But we have the capacity as to compete with with any industries from out

How many clothes a day are you guys currently making? How are you doing every day? Approximately, we're taking from 6,000 to 8,000 pieces diaries. Depend the type of production that you're saying essentially here with all the workforce you guys are going to compete with anybody outside of El Salvador. Yes, the area textile that has has the capacity for 2,100 persons,

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every day, working eight-hour shifts, making clothes for the country. I mean, could you imagine that efficiency here? I can imagine it. We're not working in this place, 24 hours of day. And, yeah, we've got to come to say that we're saying that if we have the capacity to compete with an company out of the other. So every single day, 24-7, there are 2,000 people that are working on clothes here inside of this factory.

24-7, we're making the government official shirts here inside here. Like I said, they can compete with anybody from outside here. This is helping us out or saves thousands upon thousands, potentially millions of dollars as these prisoners are being put to use versus them just spending time inside a prison cell. And how much longer do you have in your sentence? In my party, I've got four years, it's just a few, it's a few years of penalty. And if you guys don't mind me asking, what kind of crime do you get inside of the prison?

Amo, you said? Robo. Do you think that your time here is justici-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. And just to show you some of the products that you guys have made here inside of this factory, here we have all the shirts. And these shirts, they are the same shirt that these people are also wearing as well. So by doing this, El Salvador helps cut down the cost of stuff. They usually have to export outside of the prison system and said they have brought it into the prison systems. Making taxpayers here in El Salvador not have to pay for the clothes of the prisoners.

And all of these prisoners, every single day they work here inside this factory. Two days is taken off of their sentence. So that means if they're supposed to serve four years, they can technically serve only two years if they work inside this factory every single day. and reduce the time of these people's sentences and also helping build up the country as well. And so right now there are 2,000 people. However, they have three shifts of 2,000 people. So 24-7, this factory is running each and every single day with over 6,000 prisoners working inside of this factory. Over here, they're making the clothes, and then right here, they're building a different set of clothes as well. So they can do hospital schools, the prison clothes themselves here inside this factory.

And it is absolutely massive here. Over 2,000 people, each person is working hard. You do not see any cell phones in here. In fact, the cell service here is completely. completely blocked and these prisoners have no access to the outside world as far as internet goes. If you are on a shift for eight hours and then the next shift comes in 24-7, this place is operating. I have never seen anything like this and it's actually pretty insane to think that here in El Salvador, they're now using the prisoners to help rebuild the economy, expedite things. So this way they're going to have to be importing clothes from a country like China or the United States. Said they can be doing it right here in-house inside El Salvador using the prisoners essentially for free labor here,

as they are then given two days off of their prison incentives. What price would you put on your life for an extra free two days of liberty? Imagine your sentence for 10 years. By working in here, you can then reduce your sentence so just five years to be with your loved ones once again, and you learn a new skill as well. We're going to another location here inside this prison to where they make all of the desks for the schools here.

Los Carcellas always were like very grandes, or? No, this is part of the new system implemented by the president of Naipukel. Today are they a complex. This is a complex industrial. What are they building right here? What are they doing here? Here's about 1,000 pupitres all day.

And how long have you been working in here? Four years. What kind of crime did you commit to get sent here? I have robbery. Simple rubber. And how many years did you get? I have eight years. What do you hope to do once you finish your time here inside this prison?

I want to study and in the university. These are all the desks they're currently building for the schools here. Every single day they build a thousand desks and then these are the finished products right here. They even have really nice chairs as well. And here is the finished product of the school desk that they build for each school here in El Salvador. They're building over a thousand a day. Are you ever worried that you're going to make too many desks that you're not going to have classrooms to fill them with? Yeah, no has passed.

But as we're in construction of schools, Every is going to. And the schools have to pay for a month or other? Nothing. All is gratuio. After spending time inside the factories, it was time to go outside and understand why they call this place La Granha, the farm. I am honestly quite amazed at what I'm seeing right now. They even have their own farms, even with their own lake out here.

Do you have pescal? Yeah. And how many peces there? For every peser, we have around 5,000 to 10,000 pesos. Now he's going to throw the net out and we're going to catch some fish. Listo, vamos! Boom, let's catch some fish. Here we go.

Holy cow, we caught a lot of fish. A lot of fish. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. We just got ten fish here inside this little lake inside this little reservoir here. I am beyond amazed at what I'm seeing here in El Salvador. Between the factory they've just made to the fish here and the reservoirs that they have created out here as well. And then behind us, we also have the fields where they have all the vegetables and all the other food. Now these are the bigger fish here that I put inside of these pools right here. Oh, oh my word.

Look at these ones. Holy no place. Oh, look at this fish that they're grown here inside. This fish is ginormous. Hello, myig. What do? Do you like? Naib? Yes.

You say, yes. You're at this prison. You guys have literally everything from people that know how to bake, people that know how to sew, and people that know how to fish here. Tiena all. Next to the reservoir, they also have a cornfield. And what do you guys use the corn for? ...to alimentary the vacas that we have here.

We've now made it to the farming section here in the prison. We got a bunch of cows behind us. How many cows do you have here? Around of 70 vases. And you, you guys are the leech here? Is correct. There is a process. of ordaino that's

during the morning and during the time. And were you a farmer before you got here? You were an grand her before you got here? Before the

before I came to here? And how much more time do you have? Four years. No way. Look at all these cows they have here inside of this prison. They're all just munching. When you committed your crime

and you're taking a jail did you ever expect your life to be like this inside of a prison? The fact is very different to be in the different types of prisons that are here in El Salvador. For example,

this is a center of industrial. here are many work to do In a change In a case When you're In a program, It's a prison conventional

As well as as the film, the rejas, the camera, it's different, so I never thought I didn't know that in prison you could

do this. Do you think other countries across the world are starting to follow the example that El Salvador and that you can have set? Sure that

this is an example for that to take in count that independently to come here, they can rediming and serve to the society

to some way. And what kind of crime did you commit to come here? To be a play. And you believe that's justifiable? The fact no. But it's my point of

view. They're gonna show us how they milk the cows here as well. I've never milked a cow before so we're gonna give a little yank. They can't. They're all right, they're doing, they're just

disemned, no, no, nobody's oprimed. Nobody is deprimed. There's no fat inmates as well, and nobody is that, oh, and, and there, there's a machete just here on the ground.

Wow. That's normal because they're working with the camp. We just found a machete on the ground. He says they don't even worry because they have so much trust in the inmates. And these are even numbered to the inmates as well. Now, I think I'm about to ride a horse. Never ridden a horse in my entire life. And we're doing it here with some inmates here in El Salvador.

Here we go. Whoa. Okay. First time, not good. First time, not good. We're going to do that again. Take two. Oh, here we go.

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I mean, here's something I'll throw out there. I think Naibu Kelly is a very intelligent man. And I think there are a lot of very intelligent people in El Salvador. I also don't think that anyone just inside of El Salvador is responsible for planning all of this. So I'm wondering who may have been in on this because I, I think they had help in their design. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think it's perfectly reasonable. Go ahead, D. Well, as we've seen, right, there's a global left network that the USAID stuff has just sort of, sort of top surface talked about. And in fact, you know, one of the things I've complained about the most and on this show and others is the fact that we don't have

such a network. But winners win. And one of the things that somebody, you know, Victor Orban is trying to set up this sort of network. I think he's, he's probably got some of the wrong people, you know, the Danube Institute or whatever. But they're at least trying. And I think NeNe Bekele is smarter to know that he's not the only one with good ideas and that he probably brought in other people with good ideas. You know, that that's not out of the realm of possibility. He's obviously a very cany politician, just the story of how he got elected mayor and then how he was like the president proved that he's a smooth and shrewd political operator. Why is it impossible to think that he has a roll-ed-act because of people who aren't, you know,

civilizationally hostile? Like, of course he probably did. No one can know everything. So why wouldn't Well, I guess one of the things when I see something like this, I think is, is this a test for other places? Is it like, okay, how is this going to work? And are we going to see this multiply? And as well as this is running, really the only thing that you can see holding it back from, you know, happening in other countries and being adopted even here. by our individual states or counties or cities is that entrenched bureaucracy and that entrenched, you know, corruption. And, I mean, I don't know if there's, I'm assuming, I have to assume just because of human nature

that somebody is profiting from what's happening there. But also, if things can run like that there and, you know, some kind of graft is happening, it's still a better model for than what most countries are doing right now. Yeah, I think to kind of combine the two points, I think you're both right. I think somebody has their hand in it, Pete, and I also think D's right in that Naeep has as a roll of guys that no stuff. I would not be surprised, and obviously I couldn't speak with any certainty, but I would not be even slightly surprised to learn that Naïbe Buceli and his and his Rolodex had a bunch of guys that have been trying to push this plan for 25 years, 30 years, minimum 15 years. It's too well thought out to be recent.

It's probably been checked and rechecked and triple checked and triple checked. So I have a feeling that this is a model that some company, some organizations, somewhere has been trying to, has been shopping around in America and Europe and all over the world for, for more than a decade, I'd be willing to bet. I'd bet a kidney on that, in fact. And it just so happens that they finally found a winner in Buckelly who said, you know what, I got to do something with these people and your plan's the best one I've seen so far. You get the contract. And it just so happens that I guarantee you. Because remember, just because, I mean, let's not.

fall into cynicism. Let's not fall into cynicism. People can still make money and do good for humanity. You can do both. You can make a doctor's salary and actually care about your patients. So yeah, I absolutely believe somebody's been shopping this around in hopes to make millions of dollars on a government contract. Does that automatically make them scammers or corrupt? No, not at all. It doesn't, no, you can you can earn your paycheck, honestly. Go ahead, Dee. Well, I guarantee you someone in Buckelis government got him a copy of Franz List. Guaranteed.

Because what do you do when you're a poor country? You do as much autarky as you can. You don't have the resources to spend money outside. Like, for a long time, El Salvador's biggest export was El Salvadorance. And that's never, you can't get rich that way. You can't get prosperous that way. You can't build a decent. stable country when you export all your young men.

You know, there are entire villages in Mexico that have moved to the United States. Like, how is that good for Mexico? You can say cynically, like, they're exploiting their, you know, their stupid population or their surplus population or whatever, but over the long term, you know, that's not a, to the extent that they do anything good, they're going to be doing it for somebody else in another country. It's not good for Mexico or anywhere else. So look at all that autarky, right?

Instead of having to, you know, go to a factory somewhere else and import school desks from Mexico or the United States or Argentina or wherever, they're building them there. And now there's people who have, you know, skills and fabrication that they can take to the outside world. and they have, you know, the children of El Salvador have functional schools with the, with the stuff that they need to study and improve. So someone puts some Friedrich L. his hand.

And, you know, you've talked to Mike Maxwell before, Pete. Everyone should go check on Imperium Press and pick up, you know, several of their books. Because that that's where, you know, all the real ideas are on our, side of the fence. All the good ideas on our side of the fence. And this proves it, right? You know, there's been a lot of criticism of Trump justifiably, I think, in our sphere. And I'm not going to defend the guy for not having, you know, for being stymied and checkmated at every turn or not pushing as hard on things as you should have. But I think it's something that, does need to be said is all of his ideas and the things he says he wants to do that the American

people are saying that they want. They want the mass deportations. They want the gangs are in jail. They want the government waste cut. They want, you know, the illegals off the welfare rules. They want, you know, the Department of Education shut down, right? All of those things. The ideas are fantastic. It's the execution where Trump, I think, is falling down. And they're all what are people, our people were the ones talking about these ideas five, ten, fifteen years ago. And now they're mainstream. And I think that's a very big deal.

Jose, why don't you jump in and talk about how our economic libertarian priors butt up so hard against this? well one thing um i like about the el salvadorian case is that it kind of goes beyond like higher discussions of reducing everything to whether if it's like humane for the individual or um just anything that's centered around the individual but rather like it it asks like the tough question like how do we do with a bunch of criminals and other malcontents in society and put them to service to the state. Obviously, they're not going to rehabilitate all of these people,

but at least with these programs in El Salvador, they will at least put them to work towards something bigger that the state and broader society can benefit from. That's something that you'll just never hear in the really, like, neoliberal dominated West, where things are just centered around growing the GDP or satisfying individual demand. There's no real discussion about whether it benefits society

and posterity in the long term. Yeah, I think, as well, this is a clear dunk. Kelly is a clear dunk also on libertarians and especially the NGO space, because I actually have some experience over a decade ago working with a good deal of libertarians that were working in Latin America. And fast forward to the present, I see a lot of these people, same people, still libertarian and still trashing Buceli because of the simple fact that he is using top-down state action to affect positive societal change.

And it completely goes against many of these people's assumptions about how you can make things happen. And to touch on the point about whether Kelly learned these ideas from other people, if he was getting advice, I think this highlights the importance for people that are getting into politics that it's all about building not only like human-to-human relations, but even more complex networks to be able to affect political change. Because no man is an island in this game. So you have to not only be able to interact with people, but build actual

structures that go beyond election cycles that you can pass on to future generations. And it's why I also don't quit when it comes to writing content. I tell other people who have bold ideas for fixing society to continue to do this. Because who knows, that blog post that you made a few years ago could serve as a template for some reformer down the line. And Latin America is actually in many ways a really good petri dish for a lot of these ideas because unlike the West, which has very well entrenched deep states and permanent bureaucracies, a lot of Latin American countries are still very, not stuck in rudimentary phases of

their state development. So it sometimes don't matter of having the right person with the right advisors and network giving them support to implement drastic changes. So that's one of, That's one thing some people can learn from this example. Well, I think another thing is that if you talk about how, you know, El Salvador is basically what their main export has been for a long time is El Salvadorans and how the way they're setting up this economy is helping to rebuild. Well, I mean, what's been our main import for the last 20 years? It's been people from other countries. and what has been our main export. Mistyso from Central America.

That's been our main import. Yeah. Yeah. And what's been our main export? I mean, does anybody, can anybody really answer that? What our main export has been in the last 20 years? Intellectuality. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is not only a model for a country of 6.6 million in the middle of Central. America. This is a model for the way we have to approach this. We have to start building our own things again. We have to, we need to start building our desks. We need to start building, you know, if I look around at the things in the room or on my desk in front of me, you know, I question whether I know one of these is made in Australia. I don't know where the hell the computer was made and everything. But I would assume half of the stuff here is made in China. Right. And China has a place

called Sox City, where they just make the socks for the world. They just make socks. What is stopping us from doing this? And really, think about this. What is stopping us from, if you want to start manufacturing these small little things that everyone uses, that every school uses, that every office building uses, that every government building uses, that we have, how many prisons do we have and how many prisoners do we have right now? The largest population in the world, millions of people. Yeah. You have a workforce right here.

And if we're at the point where it's like we may need to start arresting judges and shipping them to El Salvador, let's start doing things that are going to piss off the same people who are pissed off about, you know, when we, I heard one of these fucking women on TV the other day who was like, who was basically said that Trump was not allowed to do something because a circuit court judge, it had to go through a circuit court judge first. Are you fucking kidding me? Cry parkey in action. I mean, it is basically, I mean, we're back to the fucking longhouse.

no, fuck you. Put these fucking prisoners to work. Make them build shit. Build the fucking factories. I know a lot of that was in Spanish, so people who were just listening to this are here. But what they said at one point was these factories didn't exist.

Where all this stuff these prisoners are doing, these buildings didn't exist before Bukkelly. He's built these. Yeah. And this is one of those things. Like you can just do things. A prison that holds us. Yes.

25,000 people. 25,000 people was it? That's a small town. He built a, he built a prison that holds a small town and all of these factories and all of these farms. Yeah, he says it to go jump to your point. Yeah, he says, he says it's not even a prison.

His exact words are it's an industrial complex. And he's right. That speaks to your point. That's its own little civilization, which is what they're doing with these people. And I think that can't be overlooked. They're civilizing most of these people. That's the point. Again, I don't want to get mired in the weeds. They're civilizing these people. That should be the goal. Again, the goal is, yes, we should make things. I'm not saying we shouldn't. But the goal is to civilize people. And to get them to be productive so that they can make things. So they can, as to address your point earlier, Jose, they can do things for posterity. They can build the strength for today and tomorrow. Go ahead, Dee. Can you imagine an American prison where there's just a machete lying around and then someone who picks it up doesn't immediately get shot? No.

I mean, this was a full on like machete. it was probably 20 inches long steel like like you could dangerous weapon in any kind of hands like you know and justifiably right like any you know if you don't think it's an incredibly dangerous weapon like you've never seen what what kind of reach like an end weapon can give somebody um extremely dangerous in the wrong hands but they have said like no we're we're going to make better, you know, people were on drugs, people were robbing people. You know, they take all the hardcore criminals and send them to that one prison. But then they take everyone else who's just, you know, a person in a bad situation. And they say, all right, well, you got a chance.

Well, and if they make a mistake and they put somebody who belongs in the hardcore prison forever, and they put that person in the workers' prison and they don't work out, you take a mistake. You take come out and you put them in the hardcore prison. It's also a filtering mechanism. Okay. So we watch thousands of people in this video. They even say in that, they even say in that context, they say this, this area of the complex is our most trustworthy prisoners where they had the machete. And I would wager that Pete, you're 100% correct.

And they got there because they demonstrated their trustworthies. Another thing I want to bring up that I think is crucial to point out is it goes back to it basically proves what I had said earlier in the program. You're giving these people hope with this program. You're giving them something to do. And I'll just raise two points and I'll cede the floor very quickly. The first is if you notice, they said, we're taking time off your sentence if you work. So not only are they keeping busy, they are actually helping themselves as well. There is a healthy amount of self-interest in there, which is good. Self-interest isn't inherently evil. So that's a positive right there.

And the other thing that I think is really important to note is what were the crimes of most of the people in the higher trust area? Robbery, drugs. It wasn't rape. It wasn't murder. It wasn't even a lot of the other things. It was like you said, like we talked about earlier, that segment of the population where, hey, I grew up in an incredibly dysfunctional community, whether it be family or just the town.

And this is just what we did to survive. But now that somebody has shown me, there is another way to survive that is pro-social. I'll do it. And now I'm reaping the benefits of it. So I'll see the floor now. I just wanted to mention those two points. I just have one point about the dog that didn't bark.

Do you guys notice one thing that was totally absent? Women? And the hundreds and hundreds of prisoners we saw? Well, women, women, first of all. Secondly, you've seen lots of pictures of El Salvador in prisons. What was completely absent? I didn't see a single guy with a face tattoo. Oh, yeah.

Not one. Hundreds and hundreds of people we saw in this video. Now, some of them might have been repeats or whatever, but hundreds of people. And not a one with gang tattoos. Not a one. So that's, you know, I mean, Charles has made this point. point and I've made this point before, but like if in America that, you know, Charles is always talking about the preter principle and I firmly agree with him, right? Like,

you could just take, like, go to Los Angeles, any dude wearing red, any dude wearing blue in a certain neighborhood, just grab him and throw him in prison. Why? Because he's a member of the bloods. He's a member of the Crips. You know, if he's, if he's wearing certain things, right? If he's, if he's got the Latin king's tattoo of the crown on his chest, just throw him in prison. You know, you can just do things. And one of the things that Pete talked about is this federal judge. How many of these federal judges are actually Americans? I think, I think one of them was like an Asian lesbian immigrant or something.

Right. Yeah, you have Canadians. Yeah. Yeah. Asian people are going to fucking born here. Right. And so, right, they, they have ascended to the highest place they can in the worst place they can, right? Why are, why were these people given places in American law schools to the point where they could become federal judges?

Why? You know, and I'm going to steal Charles's line. You don't have female judges because then you're literally enthrining the opinion of a woman into law. And as Amy Coney Barrett has shown, it's just a bad idea, right? I don't regard any decision by the Supreme Court where Katanji Brown Jackson is in the majority as valid because I don't think any of her decisions are valid. I don't think any decisions where Sonia's deciding one of the orders deciding vote are valid because I don't think any of your decisions are valid. Like you can say, but that's the rules. Like I don't, I reject your premise entirely.

I don't think that Jews or women or, you know, like any of these people have any of these people have any, right to tell me what the law is because their interest in mind and the interest of a stable civilization that works are completely, you know, at odds. And, you know, whether, you know, there was shadowy NGO funding to make El Salvador a horrible place or shadowy NGO funding to make El Salvador a functional place, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that all across the world right now. You know, we're tittering in the brink of recession probably. If you use, you know, shadow stats numbers, we're probably in one.

There's a huge government debt's all over the place. Europe's bankrupt. It doesn't really have a military. There's the wars in the Middle East and the war in Armenia and the war in Ukraine. And, you know, the immigration problems here, the government debt problems here. Like the world purpose of a system is what it does and the world system that we're under right now

is leading to you know mass bankruptcy all over the world and completely dysfunctional governments. So maybe we should change that so that it works. I don't know. Like call me crazy. And if the constant,

if Abraham Lincoln, who I'm no fan of as all three you guys know, right? Like I come from the, the anti-Lincoln school of libertarianism. He is right about if the Constitution isn't a suicide pact, then these federal judges just have to go. Like they just have to be told, be quiet.

We don't have the money. We can't just print the money. India and China is half the world's population put together. Russia's got all the natural resources in the world. Bricks, if they stop trading in dollars, we're screwed. We can't just keep printing money. have to start actually living within our means in some sort of meaningful way. When you talk about, when you talk about the you can just do things, that's, that's been

both a hopeful phrase and an infuriating phrase to me. But I want to point, I want to just touch on that very, very briefly, because to go back to your point earlier, Pete, about mess around and find out, I gave up swearing for lent. So it's going to be mess around and find out. America has to take more of that attitude. And I agree with you, Pete. And I just want to say to point that out, to make that readily apparent to listeners, remember what really stopped the summer of love and the George Floyd riots. Remember what really stopped it? Remember what really stopped that Soros-funded brick-throwing machine? It was one guy with an AR-15. That's what stopped it. That's it. One guy. Because he shot two pet... Three, well, what, two petterasts, three

Petter asses and killed them, like, killed two of them. I mean, that's really what stopped it. One guy, because people messed around. Like one white beater and two chamos. Okay. I think. Yeah. I think it was one white beater and two chamos or something. But the point I'm making is to Pete's statement, we have to, we have to bring actual, actual consequences to people. Legal consequences, of course, it was self-defense. He was acquitted. You don't work, but law enforcement, shootings, things like that, but they have to return. And if they do, again, I'll be my usual white pill pushing self. I think you'll see a lot of things turn around.

If people are allowed to start defending themselves again and dishing out consequences legally to people, I really think that things will turn around much faster than you would expect. And actually, to your point on that, Charles, the thing that really needs to happen is the people at the prosecutor in the Daniel Penny case, they need to go to prison. Yes. For abuse of power. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

All those people need to be, the courts need to be cleaned, need to be wiped clean. There's, they cannot be, it can't be allowed to go on like this. I mean, if the president has, if all power is in the executive, he has to be able to clean that out. And even if, and even if everyone stands up and says, no, you. still have to be able to stand up and clean that out. It just, we're, I mean, it's a friggin, we're going off the cliff. Yeah, not only, so I saw some of the recently, a bunch of people, supposed conservatives talking about how, you know, the, the president can't constrain money being spent by the other, like, don't tell me you care about the Constitution. Okay.

It was recently, you know, March, it's March 22nd. So last week was the aides of March, March 15th the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar. Well, you know, when I was more conservative and less understanding the way power actually works, I thought the Senate was like doing the right thing by often this dangerous dictator. Like, no, actually, Julius Caesar was trying to fix the dysfunctional system by cutting through the Gordian knot. And whether that's Naïbe Buckele or Victor Orban or whoever or Donald Trump, what you need is energy in the executive to actually solve the problems. In the UK right now, you have judges giving rapists three-year sentences,

and then they'll give nationalists who put up flyers five-year sentences. Those judges need to be tossed out on their ear and then put in prison for abuse of power and destruction of their nation. American judges who give no, you know, light sentences to criminals and then throw Americans in gulags for January 6th, they need to go to prison. Non-American judges who are immigrants who come here, you know, who are sexual perverts who are just against Donald Trump because he's a straight, heterosexual white American, and they're not. They need to go to prison. And this whole rule of law nonsense, it's like, don't tell me about the. rule of law. I remember 2020. You want to be unemployed. You want to be out of a job. You

want to me out of my house. You wanted my kids turned against me. You wanted to forcefully vaccinate my children. You wanted to outlaw homeschooling. You wanted to outlaw private schools. And now you want to talk about the rules? You want to talk about the rules? Bro, you're the one who said jungle ball rules. I'm just the one saying, okay, that's the way you wanted to play. Don't ever let a leftist, commie scum tell you about, well, the rules. They're the ones who let Negroes burn down half of America's major cities. They're the reason you can't go in downtown of any American city and not step on human feces and needles.

Don't tell me about rules. Why are you quoting laws to me? I have swords. Rules are for games between people who agree to play a game. Charles and I can sit down and have a game of chess. There are rules in chess. I can't just suck Charles in the mouth when he takes my queen because it annoys me. Okay. But when you say, all right, let's sit down to have a game of chess and then, oh, every time I take one of your pawns, I get to kill one of your kids. Oh, that's not a game anymore. I get to impoverish you. Like, no, that's not how this works. You don't get to destroy my country because you're resentful, you know, small-souled, non-American. I'm sorry, you suck and the place you come from sucks and your people have a low genetic

capability and mine don't. Sorry. I'm part Canadian, so I can't help it. But, like, that's not the way these things go. You can't weaponize the law against people for years and years and years at a time and then, and then be like, oh, the love. being violated. Charles can't swear

but I can't. Go fuck yourself. Thank you. Thank you, Dee. Jose, you got anything? Well, one thing that stuck out to me that Charles mentioned just how ridiculous the logic of forced integration

has permeated to every facet of American society. Like, look at the prison system. I like the fact that in contrast to the U.S. model, the Salvadorian model, does make a difference between having,

like, separating the clear cases of people that cannot be reformed, like these gang bangers and from, like, the other common criminals who, yeah, maybe some of them won't be reformed, but at least you can, like,

put the rest that can be reformed to use for state purposes, for societal purposes. Because the way I see crime, it is ultimately a societal issue. It's a societal failure in many ways, not just like a question of like an individual messing up because this individual's fuck-ups is like a negative externality for the rest of society. So the state does have to take it upon itself to find ways, especially now creating. ways to solve this issue. And I think there is a lack of political imagination with a lot of people across the political aisle because of the fact that their ideologies are informed by very individualistic priors, and they don't really like taking collective action. Because all these

measures that El Salvador is doing, even at the microcosmic level, they are forms of microcollectivism that eventually sadbagged to a cohesive national program. And I think with the case of El Salvador, it also shows that it's something that we can emulate because as the maxim goes, big things sometimes come in small packages. In an El Salvador's case, it is a model to emulate. Well, I guess we'll wrap this up because getting into a new topic will take us into late into the night. But it all comes back to what's been said a couple times here. You can just do things. And people with power can just do things.

I mean, Buckelly showed that. If you read any accounts of what he had to do to get elected and then what he had to do after he got elected just to be able to clean the country up, it's literally you can just do things. Because what he did was, well, I mean, kind of against their constitution or whatever the kind of thing they have down there is. but desperate times, desperate measures. And I'm not so much of, and this isn't me saying, first of all, I don't want people to think this is me saying Trump needs to be unleashed. I don't think Trump's the answer. I just don't.

I think he's the path somewhere. And I think it's going to be more local, if you ask me personally what I think. but yeah the time for oh what does the law say we really need to dig into these law books and figure out if this is legal and maybe we need to run it by the courts that time was gone 30 years ago and the only person who is the only person or persons who is going to be able to reverse and nullify everything that's happened is someone like Buckelly who's just like, I don't care what the law says. I don't care if this council, how long this council has been in charge. I'm bringing these soldiers in here with me and we're going to do what we do.

And we're going to turn this around. Because people can look at El Salvador and be like, well, they were the murder capital of the world. Now it's safer than Baltimore. Yeah. And now I literally felt safer walking around there. I wasn't looking behind me. Like I would be if I was in Baltimore or New York, even Austin, Texas. I wasn't looking behind me.

I was like, wow. This is incredible. People are just going about their lives and they're not worried about, they're worried about one last thing. Getting killed, getting roughed up, getting robbed. And if we're going to clean up what's happening here and especially get rid of the rot, fuck the law. Yeah, I gave up something else for Lent and it wasn't cursing. Fuck the law. I mean, literally fuck the law.

I don't care. And I know people can, you know, we could go on a totally different tangent about, you know, Trump is, you know, it's just another fake gay Jew op and everything like that. This isn't about him. This is about us. And it's not, I'm sorry, unless we get someone like Bukkelly, it's not going to be changed on the national level. And I don't even know that it can be changed.

on the national level with as big as we are and as multicultural as we are and multiracial as we are when you have 350 closing and I'm probably on 400 million people now. So it's got to be something else and it's not going to look like what you're, you know, what the typical boomer con wants. I'm sorry. It's going to be something else. anybody can riff off of that

well I'd love to for just a second so the average rumor con is still caring about liberty and liberty within what and

there's been an interesting discussion I don't want to take either side between Joel Davis and Keith Woods about a certain mustache man

and then necessity of either embracing or rejecting that mustache man but I just I do want to bring something up that I've talked about

before and that is that Naibu L.A. is being called, you know, a national socialist, except on the pejorative term, and he's being called a dictator, and he's being called a fascist. And in a very real sense, you know, what Thomas says is true, right? After 1945, it became illegal to be effective, or became illegal to be right wing, and any kind of effective governance at all, whether it's just like not paying people who shouldn't be paid, or throwing criminals in jail, or, enforcing the border or anything is going to be called fascism.

And you just have to step over that and say, yeah, and so what? Because there's no society today anywhere in the world, especially white countries, where ethnic incoherence and massive structural economic problems and crime isn't a problem. Or intimately a problem. Like you can say, well, Poland is say,

if they don't have crime, like, yeah, but how hard, how quickly could a bunch of Muslims come from Germany into Poland and just start wrecking stuff, like pretty easily? There's nowhere in the world where you can just be isolated from major problems. You can't run away from it anymore. You know, jet planes can, can, and people, the parasites will go from a non-functioning place to a functional place and just show up anytime. You see it, you see it with all the people coming to Germany, all the people coming to different countries in Europe. You see it with, you know, people leaving, leaving California, right? Like, there are people who just want to live someplace nice.

And it doesn't matter to them what their choices are that might have gotten them in the place that, that it is that way. They just want to to live someplace nice. You see it all over Montana. You see it all over Idaho. You see it all over Washington. You see it all over Tennessee. People coming down from Michigan, people coming down from

other states in the northeast. So instead of arguing about how you, you're not really a fascist because you disagree with, you know, this 0.7 of Mussolini's doctor, you know, points or whatever, right? We can have that discussion amongst ourselves about Mosley and Franco and Mussolini and mustache man, Salazar, whatever.

Like, that's a discussion for serious people to have at a later date to, like, thrash out whatever differences we might have between various different flavors of right-wing authoritarian regimes. It doesn't matter right now, this very second, what the people who were against Buckele or who are trying to stop whatever measures Donald Trump is trying to do, you just have to step over those people because they want the system not to work. They want your children to be broke.

They want them to grow up in a non-functioning society with no public schools. They want them to not have parks and not have safe places to be. They want your wife sexually harassed and are way in and out of the grocery store. They want you to have to pack heat everywhere you go just so you can,

getting in and out of your truck. And okay, if that's the way we have to play, I guess I'll do it. But I don't, I don't want, I don't mind playing by those rules. But there are people who aren't cut out for it and they shouldn't have to. You want to say anything to close out, Charles? I think we're, we're at that stage. Yeah, sure. Just a couple minor points.

Thank you, Pete. One, I want to just touch back on something Jose had said a while back in the broadcast, when he had said earlier about how keep posting the blog post or whatever, keep putting new ideas out there. I want to dovetail that with D's point about our side is the only side that has anything good and has had anything good for quite a while. I won't say forever because I do think the left had some good ideas somewhere in the past, but for now and for the recent past, it hasn't had anything for quite some time. So always put your ideas out there. You never know who's going to pick them up and how far they're going to run with them.

And although he was not a political figure, the author H.P. Lovecraft died so poor as to be reusing raised safety razors to shave. He died with a few sticks of furniture and nothing to show for all of his efforts. If, however, he were still alive today and had the copy. to all of his work, he'd be a billionaire. But you never know what you're going to put out there in the world, and you never know how long it's going to take other people to catch on to it. And you never know how far it's going to be taken or how many people are going to grab hold

of it and love it and cherish it and value it. So never, ever stop doing something. And lastly, I'll close with this. there was somebody that that said to you, Pete, in a comment on Twitter, oh, I didn't realize Charles had said everything all the time first always. It was kind of snarky, but I laughed it off and I got to say, like, the reason I laughed and I kind of appreciate it. And in a way, I actually took it as a backhanded compliment because I've been doing

stuff like this for 30, 35 years, in person at college, all sorts of things. I've tried everything from screenwriting to guitar playing to stand-up comedy. I've done a lot of stuff. So all this is to say, not talk myself up, but it's just to say this. Guys, you can just do things. And the reason that phrase maddens me is you always could. You always could. If you want to do something, go do it.

Ask people. I'm not calling you to break the law or do hurt people. But what I am calling you to do is someone. that masculine bravery. Just do it. And you know what? Somebody wants you to stop? Make them tell you. And I'll close with this last moment, this last point. One factor has guided my life, and I have never regretted this. If only one thing, I've never regretted living by this. It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. God bless everybody. And Pete, once again, and thank you for having me on your program.

Of course. Jose, want to close out saying anything? And do plugs, whatever? Yes. One thing I've stressed that we are in, we need to go in reconquist a mode in the sense that perhaps a good deal,

the changes that we envision for society are not going to happen in our lifetime or in, honestly, many lifetimes, possibly centuries, now but it's still worth fighting because I want to be on by deathbed knowing that I put in 100% of my effort towards making the polity I live in a better place and knowing that my knowledge I accumulated and the experiences I've accumulated as well I've been passed on the future generations to continue that same fight and I think people need to have that in mind because

our society has programmed us to go for instant gratification and instant results. And oftentimes that is a siren song for all sorts of other problems. But yeah, if you want to continue, follow my content, I'm on Substack, Jose Nino, unfiltered at JOSBCF.com. And then I'm also on X slash Twitter at Jose Al Nino. Do you do your plugs in if you had a last comment or something like that. Not fundamental principle on substack and telegram. I just want to say thanks to you, Pete, for having me on. Folks, by Charles's books.

Jose was kind enough to have me on his show a couple weeks back. You know, go to Freemannly Beyond the Wall slash support. If you're kind of to feel compelled, you can donate to me on Gumroad and a few other places. But, you know, support the people that are doing this full time like Jose. like Pete, because you're not going to hear a conversation like this anywhere else. And I truly believe as small as these efforts are building an avalanche all over the world. And it's an honor to be part of it.

And so thank you for having me, Pete. Of course. And thank all of you. Thank all of you for taking time to come and talk to me basically about my vacation. Which I think before I even went on it, I think we said we would postpone any kind of episode until after because we knew that it would be the kind of conversation like we just had. And I'm glad we did. So thank you. And until the next time.

Thank you, gentlemen.