The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1194: How Trump is Dismantling His Enemies w/ Tom Luongo

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

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Tom Luongo is back. How you doing, Tom? I'm good. Pete, how are you? What's going on, man? I'm doing good. Yeah, man. Let's talk about the last sport that really white men can dominate in.

Let's just put it this way. It's the only sport that matters as far as I'm. Yeah. And, you know, I'm almost sad now that, you know, that the Canadians have decided to, you know, to really rip the mask off and decide that they hate Americans. It's really sad because hockey to me is still the only team. sport that's you know matters and has has mattered for a long time from a variety of them for second so well it's the it's the only one that hasn't bought into the wholesale commercialization and

the bill you know we're worth billions and billions of dollars and you know we need to have we we need to highlight this one you know person who came from the ghetto and everything i mean they did that a couple times with people who came from poor places and everything. But it wasn't something like they, they, they centered everything around it. It's really about a bunch of Canadian kids and Northern American kids who grew up in really, really cold places and could play hockey, you know, play hockey year round. Yep. And let's not forget the, let's not take the Europeans out of the, of the equation.

As much as I, you know, want to shit on the Europeans on a regular. basis, but when it comes to their hockey players, I won't do that. And I, I've watched them too many times, like, you know, be great. And not necessarily, you know, at the national team level all the time. I mean, the Czechs have had their heyday and the Finns have had their day and the Swedes have had their day. But, and certainly the Russians have had their day. But it's, you know, you're drawing from, you know, really small populations in some, in some cases. And they play a different game over in, over in Europe. But that doesn't take away from, you know, the skill of it all.

It's really funny. I was talking to a friend of mine during the World Cup last year. And he was getting me up to speak because he's a huge soccer fan. He's Italian and he's a huge soccer fan. Well, he's actually Italian-Canadian. He's Canadian first. He's of Italian origin. And, you know, we sat there during the World Cup and he was like explaining how different countries play

the game differently. Like the Italians play it one way, the Germans play it different way. And if you've ever watched more than one World Cup, you'll realize this very, very quickly, you'll see the cultural imprint of how they play the game is different from place to place to place. And this is very much the way in the game of hockey as well.

It's very, very similar to that. The Canadians play it one way. Western Canadian players plays it differently than the Quebec Major Junior League, which plays differently than the Ontario Hockey League. Or, you know, the difference between American Ivy League, the Ivy League hockey teams and, you know,

Hart, like Cornell and Dartmouth and whatnot. And then the Finns play differently. And they play differently than the Czechs do. And they play much differently than the Russians do. And so it's a very interesting, it's a very interesting mix. And then when you get all those different cultures into the room together, that's when the magic happens.

Right. That's when the game becomes fascinating. And it's something that, you know, I, you know, used to watch hockey night in Canada religiously, like every Saturday night. It was like, it was a big deal. NFL center ice package. I used to be a used to write for AOL and get hockey water for years. And, you know, and I'm seeing the grapes go on and on and on. I'm sorry.

I mean, Don Terry go on and on and on about how Euros don't know how to play hockey. He's not, he's both not, he was both right and wrong, right? about that. And I found it, you know, fascinating to watch. But at the same time, like, I also know that the NHL, I fell out above with the NHL at a certain point around 2010, 2011, because it became very obvious to me that it was still run by its own internal mafia. And that internal mafia are the old guard owners in Toronto, Boston, Chicago, and as Philadelphia and others that have, you know, controlled the, not the sport itself, but the rules competition, the rules committee and how the game would change from year to year to year in order

to benefit the teams that those guys built. So while Bettman and the league were trying to do one thing and trying to sell the sport in different ways and maybe evolve the sport in different ways, those guys were saying something else, that tension eventually, you know, you just watch like the small market teams get them, get shit on left, left, right and center. If you tried to build a game, you know, if you took the league at their word and said, we want a skill game. And then you, then when we got to the playoffs, everybody going to put their whistles in their

in their throats and, and, oh, this is what the boys play. Well, that's bullshit. Like, so it's a different game. Oh, you know, and it's one of the things that, that when it started to become like basketball where the game is called at different types, different points in the game or in different points of the season. And it was really like that. It was terrible.

It was like I had enough of it. It was like, I'm not playing that game. I'm not playing. I'm not going to play this anymore. Not when you watch, you know, you watch teams be denied their day in the sun that they worked for under one set of rules, and then they're completely inadequate for another set of rules. And so that tension has been going on for a long time. And the tension within the NHL about whether or not fighting is still appropriate and whether there should be goons and gotta,

goty, got, yada. Like, you know, fucking Betman's been trying to get rid of that shit for 30 years. And I've never, I've never agreed with that. You know, I always felt that the game of hockey should be played by tough men. And, you know, the skill guys get protected and that they're not going to get protected by the, by the players on the ice and then in their locker room, then they should be protected somewhere by the league. And then when the league said, no, you can't have any enforcers and you can't protect your stars, I'm like, well, fuck a whole lot of you. I'm not playing this game. I'm not going to watch this game. Yeah, the Marty. The Marty McSorlies of the world are obsolete now because. Well, yeah, yeah, the Marty McSorries are gone. And the Milan loot teachers, which is,

I'm now dating myself, are the guys that were allowed to run wild. So they would just run around and elbow everybody in a fucking head. And then Boston went elbow their way to a fucking Stanley Cup. And all because Jeremy Jacobs sat on the competition committee and said, let him play and changed all the fucking roles every year after year of year until he got the team he wanted. And then he just went out and bought the team he wanted and then did the thing. And it was like.

And then watching and then the worst part was watching NBC and ESPN and the league have to sell this bullshit. And like after a while, like this became really, really, um, became just, it just became blood sport to me. And I'm like,

I'm not going to watch blood sport. That's not what I watched the game of hockey for. Um, I've long advocated that we should go to the international size rink in the NHL. I think I mean, the last time I won't be hockey game. Yeah, I've,

I've said that before too. It would be so much more interesting. Yeah. Well, and, and the thing is, have you been to a game recently? No,

I haven't been to a game. No. Yeah. So I, so I went to a, Florida Panthers. No, I used to have season six

to the Florida Panthers, by the way. I mean, it's the only sport game I've ever had season tickets to. Wow. That's, that's, and that's, and that's cool.

Like, and it was really funny is that I, you know, ping me one day and say, Tom, I'd like to take you down to, like, I like take you to,

I got season tickets. Let's come down for your birthday about three or four years ago. You know, the Tampa's playing the Sabers with my, Sabers are my favorite team. And like, hey, let's have an evening. And I'm watching the game. And I was watching the game, as I always do,

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Offer ends on 7th of December 2025. Conditions apply. Ask in store for details. and how small the rink was and that there was literally no room on the ice to do anything and actually it wasn't Savers were playing it was a rematch of that year's Stanley Cup

it was Colorado and Tampa so this was supposed to be the two best teams in the league or previously the two best teams in the league and it was an unbelievably sloppy game it was really not and it wasn't because of the Florida ice or anything like that's fucking February like Tampa's got good ice

control down there they won multiple Stanley cups down there they know what they're doing um this isn't like the the slush pond in Miami you know 20 30 years ago back in Miami arena yeah right so I mean I was watching this and I'm like and the reason that the game is so sloppy is because there's no room yeah like the guys I mean when wingers are six foot four and center men are six foot three like you had to take the front the front rows out of the stadiums folks and make the ring 15 feet wider

you remember the movie young blood broblood probleau Patrick Swayze it was a hockey it was a hockey movie Patrick Patrick's Patrick Swayze had this great line in it movies from like 84 or 85 he had this line in it where he said

yeah he's like toasting and he said to hockey the last sport where middle size white boys can can dominate And it was like at that point, the average height in the NHL was like 5'10, 5 foot 11. Right. Like a 6 foot 2 defenseman was a big deal. Like, you know what I mean? Willie Hubert was this guy.

He was a 6 foot 3 defenseman and he looked like he didn't know how to skate. Right. Well, and then we, and then we, you know, we had this in Anachari era, right? He's 6.9. You know, he can literally reach halfway across the ice with a stick. He played with the longest stick he thought that was even legal. Like, it was just. And then he cracked it over everybody's skull.

And don't get me wrong. Char was a hell of a defenseman. But at the same time, he's six foot fucking nine playing in the NHL. This guy's supposed to be, it's like, you know, he should be playing power forward for the Knicks. And the goaltenders are six three. I was looking at the goaltender for Tampa. And I was like, like, it was my wife and I used to joke when we were, when we used to watch hockey. Why don't they just like draft a sumo wrestler, right?

Put him in pads and give him a stick and let him just stuff him into the net. No one would never score on him because he thought he would fill the whole fucking net when you look at the goaltenders today. And I remember listening to them go on, like, you know, how the goalies were wearing these balloon pads during the 90s, during the dead puck era, and how big Marcant Bredour's pads were and all the rest of the stuff. And he's got, you know, Curtis Joseph was, was, was, particularly egregious about this, right? And, and so then they finally, like, brought the size of the pads down to make it actually

reasonable. And then you go back and you watch, like, the 1980, Lake Placid game, right? And there were across shoulder pads, not. Even the Russian team is small. Right. And the Russian team compared to the American team was enormous because it was men against boys, right? They were all 25 to 30 on the Russian team, and the boys were all 18 to 21. right? And so the boys weren't even fully grown, right? So at that point. So, but, you know,

when you have guys who, who are 6-2, 215, and perfect physical condition with 7% body fat, who could skate 40 miles an hour wearing body armor that the cops are, that the riot cops are jealous of, like, and you wonder why they, the concussions were on the ride. and they couldn't stop any of this stuff. I mean, you couldn't put a guy five foot 10 on the ice because even at the six foot three guys just walked by him, you know, hit him with an elbow pad by mistake and, you know, knock him out for two bucks. Well, even even at the time, one of the biggest guys in the league, you know, Eric Lindross,

I mean, we hated as Florida Panther fans, we hated him. And we called them captain, we called them captain, we called them captain concussion. And you remember, his career was basically ended up. by Scott Stevens. Yes, it was. I mean, who, yeah, he tried, Lindross would always skate with his head down, and he tried to cross the blue line,

and Stevens led with a shoulder right to the chin and just knocked him clean out. And he had to take a year off, and then when he came back, he played for the Rangers, and he was a shell of his former self. He was six foot four, 230 pounds,

and he couldn't play physical anymore. Right. I know, I remember that hit by Scott Stevens. I remember the brain. Campbell hit. I remember that it was a fucking brutal one too, man. He almost took it. I mean, his jaw, you could see Lindrosse's jaw just.

Casperitis, remember Casperitis on the penguins? Oh, God. Just like his, his, Lindros's jaw just went. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, I became a savers fan when I came back to the game of hockey back in the mid-90s because we were watching the playoffs in ESPN 2. And it was Philadelphia versus Buffalo. It was the dead puck year.

And it was the, it was the, it was the Buffalo Rans, right? Was it Dominic Oshok playing? Oh yeah, and Dominic Hachick, right? And so there were like three guys

when they were skill on the fucking team. One of whom was Alexei Jitnik, but the only thing that guy could hit was a slap shot was, was fucking glass or people in the 14th row. Hachick and, you know, a couple of people and, you know, and a couple, that was it.

They were a bunch of grinders. But what I, and Mike Pecka, and when I watched, when Lindros, ran Hasha. And, Lindra,

and like game two of the, the quarterfinals or whatever, the semis, and they won that, the Sabers won up winning that, that series. When they ran Hoshak, Mike Pecka,

510, Buck 85, climbs Eric Lindross and starts beating the fuck out of him. And they had that, once they peeled Peck off, then Verada and Dixon Ward and everybody else jumped in,

and the bench cleared, and they all, and they're like, there was no fucking way they were going to stop they were going to to stomach this bullshit you ran hashick you were going you were in for a world of hurt it doesn't matter that it was a bunch of fucking lilliputians they were doing it and and they did it and that team had so much fucking heart and I was like oh I love these guys like how could you not love them aside from the fact that I'm an old islanders fan growing up fucking always hated the damn flyers like because the

flyers were shit and dirty and they were dirty pool in the 70s. They were dirty pool in the 80s, dirty pool in the 90s. And now they suck and who gives a shit? It doesn't matter. They still have like 30 years with the karma to wear off the the the the the the the the bleed off these motherfuckers. So like I don't know if you I don't know if you know this uh, because you probably don't follow right now. Ovechkin is five goals away from from Gretzky. I heard that the other day and I was like I was like really oh that's because I actually They stopped and went, oh, that's so playing? Oh, yeah, he's a gray beard.

He's a gray beard like us now. Yeah, yeah. But he's doing it in the same, basically in the same amount of games. So it's not like he's playing, you know, two, three more years in Gretsky did or playing, you know, 100, 200 more games in Gretsky. It's basically the same amount. So, I mean, it's really impressive. Nobody's ever going to touch Gretsky's assist total. But, you know, I mean, I think at one point, he's, you know, I mean, I think at one point,

he had more assists than anyone else had points. And that, and that was for like 15 years, he, he held that distinction. Yeah, I mean, I watched that year and I was there and I,

I'm still angry at that team, um, for denying my islanders their fifth Stanley Cup. Like, I just wanted them to win their fifth and, you know, it's always that one for the thumb, right?

And then the NNM bet didn't go on and it, it never, you know, didn't pan out. And then, yeah, that dropped, The 80s was just a decade of dynasties.

Yeah, it was. And well, and, but that's what the draft did. If you did it right and you had a good farm system and you played well. And, you know, I mean, Al Arbor's farm system was, was, was immense. So was Glenn Sathers. And, you know, they, they, I mean, look, even Ken Holland, his number one line, his number one line had Mike Bossy who could score from anywhere, had Brian Trotche who couldn't, it couldn't. He didn't have a slap shot. I don't know people know this.

Brian Trachy didn't have. And then he had Clark Gillies, who was an insanely good player, but also would knock your teeth out if you messed with either bossy or Trachia. Absolutely. Clark Gillies was the enforcer on that line. And that line was amazing. The John Tenelli line was amazing. And then we had, you know, pot band.

Oh, God. What a great team that was. It was the Tenelli line. that made that game, that team run that. You know, you had to have two, you always have to have two really good scoring on it. I mean, you can't get away with that. And you have to be,

and you have to roll four lines. And you have to be, certainly in the modern game, you have to roll four lines. Because it's such a high tempo game. But, you know, that was an amazing.

That was an amazing period. That's when I got into the game as a teenager. My, my sister married a guy who was in the hockey. And, you didn't play. You didn't play? you know i didn't play i can't i can't i played in i played in high school and i didn't play at all

we didn't even have a club team in my high school in upstate new york no we had a um the new york city catholic catholic school league uh power memorial st peter's um all hollows ford and everything and um yeah i had a my school was actually like a rainbow uh we had black guys playing on the team span, you know, other Hispanic, you know, other guys with Hispanic glass names. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items, all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast.

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But, you know, everyone's completely Americanized. Yeah, and the black guys were total dorks and book nerds and geeks. You know, they weren't a bunch of ghetto guys. I mean, you know, the hockey players. Like, you know, I mean, hockey is an expensive sport, right? I mean, it really is. It's very much, it's very much a middle of the past sport. Yeah.

And that's, that's another thing is, you know, people, people constantly ask, you know, why is soccer the most popular sport in the world? It's like, okay, because most of the world is poor and all you need is a ball. Right. In hockey, you need at the time I was growing up, I mean, if you didn't have four or $500 worth of equipment, and that was a lot of fucking money at the time, I mean, you were going to get hurt. Yeah, you were going to get hurt.

Yeah. No, it's, I mean, I, I, I, um, I never, I never, really learned how to skate. I was never any good at. And there was a pond in my, in my, um, my development up in upstate New York where I grew up was like built, like cut out of the side of a of a mountain, basically, but you know, in the upper portion of the back, which is completely a different school system, by the way. Oh, yeah, there was a pond up there that was, you know, frozen at least four months out of the year and we would go out there. And I could never, I never got the hang of ice skating ever. And then, you know, graduated high school.

and moved to Florida and fuck skates in Florida. Right. So I think I started on, I started on roller. I started on roller. So when I switched over to ice, it wasn't that difficult. Mm-hmm.

That makes sense. I just, just never got the hang of it. Like, I know how to ride a bike. Like, you know, I'm good at that,

like, or I was. But I'm not, it's not like I'm, you know, completely like fucking pants. I played football. I played,

you know, I did track and field one year, I threw the shot and a couple other things. But, I was a three sport guy for one year, and then I realized that I did not want to be a three sport guy. And then I went and joined the jazz band because I'd taken up the bass by that point and joined the drama club.

And that was the end of that shit. Yeah, you guys would be surprised. But I was also always in the choir at the same time. Like, at the time I was like fourth grade, I was in the choir. And by the time I was in eighth grade, I was a bass. Because my voice broke before everybody else's did. And the choir director. all of me because they actually had a base for the first day before they got the high school.

So it was, you know, not that I have like great pitch accuracy or anything, but, you know, not to, not to believe it. So, um, so I have this video and I want to rewind this back to 1996. Um, 1996 is my brother and I have seasons like us to the Florida Panthers and everything. So we're up. We hear that they're doing, uh, they're going to do an inaugural world cup of hockey. And it's going to do. to be NHL players, of course.

And it is six teams, all the whole, all the games are going to be played in North America. It's United States, Canada, Russia, Finland, Sweden, and who's the other team? I would think the checks. And the checks. And the checks. Yeah. So it went from August 26th to September 14th. And it was basically at this time, the United, the U.S.

national team was not considered anything. I mean, they hadn't won. The last thing they had won internationally was Lake Placid. And that was a bunch of college kids. You know, so it was a bunch of college kids who beat the, uh, that's great. Beat the Russians. Yeah, yeah. Jeremy Orn is in that damn. So 16 years, 16 years later, um, I mean, think about who's playing for Canada. I think, I think they'll say in the video, they may say there are 10 future Hall of Famers playing for Canada. Yeah. And then, you know, the United States is, you know, some guys that you don't even know are American, like John LeClair. Yep.

I mean, a beast of a friggin player. I mean, just, I mean. Oh, yeah. He was a caveman out on the ice. Yeah, he was. One of the few, one of the few guys who ever wore a Philadelphia Flyers uniform that I had respect for. him and Ron Hexel. You had in-net, Mike Richter, who is, I mean, just unbelievable.

So you had Chellios, you had Tony Amonti. And then the great story of this is you have Brett Hull. And why is Brett Hull playing for the USA when his dad is Bobby Hull and he's obviously a Canadian? I remember now. Now, okay, now you bring it back all the memories. Right. So Brett Hull's mom was American. So he had dual citizenship.

And in 1986, when they're going into the world, they're having the world championships, I think it was Dave King left Hull off the roster. And he just, he was salty about that the whole time. And he got invited to play for the American team. And they were like, yeah, yeah. He's like, I'll do it. And I mean, you're talking about one of the most prolificals.

scores of all time. Sure. I mean, even more so than his dad and his dad was. You know, you can't bring up, as a savers fan, you bring up the name, Brett Hall and like, I start to like, you know, go into conyptions. And I, so I start like, no goal, no goal. I can't help myself. But, you know, what it is.

I'm like, I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting for them to like, you know, make the, to say, to invalidate the goal and replay the fucking, I replay the game. I think Hachik would still be willing to strap on the pads to, to play that game over again. So somebody made a, I think ESPN actually made a documentary of this series. And I'm fast forwarded to the,

I'm going to fast forward to the point where basically what happens is USA Canada finale. And it's best two of three. And the first game, the first game is in the United States. And then both the games go to Montreal. There's two games in Montreal. So let me show. share this and let's see if this brings back some memories for you because this is uh

this is something like i said this is a um the Canada yeah this is Canada beating Sweden to go into the uh I think it was a three or four over time then you shouldn't be playing and then basically when it comes down to is Canada and the United States are going to play So, and this details a bunch of the drama behind it. So let's watch us and see if this brings back any, any memories or emotions. I think these are the two best teams going into the tournament. They've survived to meet in the final. I remember being told, if you don't want to play Canada, then you shouldn't be playing in the finals.

They really wanted to make a statement and prove something, that they could beat the favorite, the best team in the world at the the time, the best team that could be assembled was Canada. When Canada gets into this situation, they look to their leaders, this will be a great, great battle. It doesn't matter who we play, you know. We set the mark, we set the bar, and everybody has to come and knock us off the podium. Rod Wilson, head coach of Team USA, your team the only one undefeated going into the final. Some observers say it's not so much your team, but the flaws in the other teams that you faced.

How do you react to that? Well, we can't worry about what the other teams are saying. We're focused in our own room. And we're going to continue to play to our strengths and do what we've been doing best. I'm predicting Canada in trade. The international media still had its doubts about Team USA. After all, as your buddy Don Cherry. I was going to say, well, no, there's Brian Leach.

When you start to really go through this whole roster, it's like, again, at the end of the day, it's not about the stars. it's about the quality of the, the mesh of the team itself. That's why hockey's still a great game. It's about the 23 guys in the room and how they mesh together. So one of the things you'll hear,

one of the things that I always thought was, so Glenn Sather is the head coach of Canada. And so guess who, guess who he starts in goal all three games? Curtis Joseph, his own goalie. He leaves Martin Brodour on the band. I know. Well, here's a question for you. Would Martin Brodor be a great goaltender outside of that trap, that whole trap defense, uh, defense that they, that's that New Jersey played for so many years.

Oh, God. That's a really, that's, you know, that is the ultimate question, right? I mean, I, look, I mean, ah, God, that's, that's a terrible thing to say about a guy like Brador. Rodor was a hell of a clutch goldender. He didn't have to make a lot of saves every night, but he always made the save he needed to make when there was a breakdown. So while he didn't have a lot of work, you know, it's actually harder for a goaltender. I've heard it's actually harder for a goaltender when he's not under fire

to stay a mentally focused to be able to make that big save when you haven't seen a shot for 12 minutes. Yep. Yeah. Then it is for a guy like Hachick who was making 30 and 49. And standing on his head with a slinky for a spine, right? Like that whole thing. So, you know, it's, there's a, you know, there's a rhythm that goaltenders get into this.

So I've heard it both ways of Bordoror. I'm not going to say anything bad about Marty. He absolutely deserved Stanley Cups. I won't. But he was a far better goaltender than Curtis Joseph. And that. And that's the big thing about this. Good.

Well, the thing is the reason he was a better goaltender than Curtis Joseph was because he was consistent. Joseph was a world-beater one night and Captain Siv the next night. He, you know, and he didn't really string together, you know, five, six seasons worth of unbelievable goaltender. He, he's strung together a couple of good ones, you know, especially when there was a big contract in law. And then, you know, I'll be honest with you.

Curtis Joseph to me feels is similar to my namesake, Roberto Longo, who got close a number of times, but could. not win the big game. And there was, you know, Body Lou was that way. I mean, you know, it was just what it was. And I mean, I'll be honest with you. We used to say the same thing about Ryan Miller.

And Ryan Miller was a phenomenal goaltender, but, you know, then there was always Mr. Softie, one soft goal again. And when you're the goaltender for Buffalo and, you know, they weren't the, and it wasn't the, the Drury, you know, pre-air years where we were scoring, we could score it well. Like, dude, it was, you know,

he wound up being a, middle and goldender, ultimately, and couldn't win the big game. Team Canada had 10 future Hall of Famers, but the Americans had one advantage. Game one of the best of three finals would be played in Philadelphia. This should be ours. It's in our backyard. It's in Philly. This should be our game in game one, and that's definitely not the way it turned out. Bredski's certainly back. The shot. They came out and they played like Canada and we played like the old USA.

Team Canada carried the play throughout the game. Only the performance of goaltender Mike Richter kept Team USA close. He won the Stanley Cup with the Rangers that year, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. That was Mike Richter's peak as a goaltender. Well, is it? let's see, 96 was Colorado, 97.

Oh, no, yeah, 96. 94. He wanted what in 94. You're correct. I'm sorry. 96 was Colorado and Patrick Waugh. No. The actor's remarkable goaltending,

the United States was only down 3-2 with less than 10 seconds to play. We had put ourselves in a bad spot by not playing well, but we had the chance there at the end. Now it comes down to a big face-off to the right side of Curtis Joseph. You know, my job was just to get it by the first guy and see what happens. It's all right. Can't tell you how much I hate to go on the silver.

And man, and they got crazy in Philadelphia. No matter how much experience you have, how long you've been around, how many games you played to get scored on when there's seconds away from winning a game was all. from winning a game was always tough to recover. A little bit forward a little bit. But you're Steve in a, you think that, you know, things have supernatural magical important to them. Over time, your end of the one. First game is meant to win this.

Dyes are around to Adam putt. One, able to play at Till of you. But Philadelphia was not Lake Placid. Oh. That's unbelievable, man. What a goal. What a goal for him. I mean, Richter is standing on his head the whole time and then this is the goal he gives up.

I remember. Saying, you know, that's when Mike wanted to have back. If I'm being honest, I didn't really give us a big chance to win at that point. Well, it seemed most of the country jumped for joy last night as team Canada beat the United States in the first game of the World Cup final. It's been said Canada's national pride is at stake in this time. turn. People don't understand that like hockey is on the front page in Canada. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's the one, I mean, outside, it's the one thing that Canadians, I mean, they truly do like live, eat, shit, die in hockey. It's fascinating when I was up in,

Edmonton, the last two years for the Sean Newman events, you know, that's all they talk about. And Edmonton, last, we were there last year, and it was, you know, Edmonton was in the process of, You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon, and Terramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro.

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I'm 10 minutes into the game. I think I turned to Camille said, this will be one mistake. We'll see who makes the one more mistake. take the other one. Otherwise, a flawless game. Florida makes one. Edmonton makes two, and that's the game. I mean, literally 60 minutes of hockey. Otherwise, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a coach's wet dream, to be honest with you. I mean, it was a testament to how good both teams were. And Paul Maurice, Paul Maurice had them so fucking prepared. And there's a guy, I mean, I watched Paul Maris. Florida goes up three, three nothing.

And then it just comes back and ties it. And then it just comes down to a game seven and there's one mistake. And it's one mistake. I mean, you can't ask for a better, a better ending to a Stanley Cup finals, right? And in the end, the better team won.

I mean, I watched both teams. And at least on that night, the better team won. And the better coached team won. And it's, you know, the guy who,

you know, the NHL loves their stories and they're, you know, especially the American media, They love their comeback stories, and whatnot. But I had to, I was rooting for Edmonton. I mean, I've always been, I've always been an Oilers. I've not always been an Oilers fan, but when I came back to the game,

in the 90s, the game, the league was such a mix of haves and have-nots. The Canadian dollar was in the fucking toilet. And so, you know, you start championing these, the have-nots to survive. And I remember sitting there arguing back after the, you know, during the lockout as a free market libertarian saying, oh, they need a salary cap and they need revenue sharing because they can't do this. And I made the point very clearly. It's socialism. I'm like, no, it's not because the NHL is a cartel and within the cartel, all the players have to be equal. Otherwise, the cartel breaks. And now the NHL is competing for the eyeballs and the money compared to the NBA, the NFL. And

and major league baseball, which is now practically, you know, moving into December every fucking year, because we have to have like, you know, an entire second season again because they don't play in a fucking games, those guys. I mean, personally, I've always said that the NHO would be better served selling, playing 62 games during the year, starting the Stanley Cup finals in March as opposed to April. And so you're not competing with the NBA finals. The wear and tear on the players is less. the quality of the hockey goes through the fucking roof.

And, you know, so what, that the, that you have to charge an extra, you know, 30% for season tickets. Season tickets are already fucking stupidly expensive as it is. You know, I mean, whatever, like pay the money and be, or pay the same price for fewer games, but who cares? You'd get better, you're going to get a better quality product. They'll just scream tradition. I'm going to start this back up, because.

Canada was just a good. win away from the title. And with the series shifting to Montreal for the remainder of the tournament, Team USA's chances looked bleak. Ready-mill chance number 15, Brett Ball. Now we have to go and win not one, but two games up in Montreal. You can feel the importance of that game in the air. Up on 10. The crowd, the atmosphere was awesome. There's Canadian flags, everybody's dressed in red.

A lot of energy, a lot of excitement, a lot of nerves. There is an air of expectancy. The team Canada will win here tonight. You know, I remember getting a phone call for my dad, and my dad's like, hey, I'm in a hotel. Canada's setting up the party for their World Cup win. So you better do all you can, son, to get out there and make sure that you spoil that party tonight. With difficult situations like this, it was just kind of like, all right, We're going up there. We're going to do it up there in front of their own fans.

Fed back to the point, suitor! Gotta win hockey. It's got to be reckless abandon. Physical. You have to have emotion to play this game. Tenacious, and we're just going to keep coming. Doug, he went right into Desjard, and took him out nicely and then punched him in the mouth. The United States jumped to a 3-1 lead, but the real story of the night was the excellence

of the American goaltender. Mike Richter was incredible. Richter, I mean, he was like a brick wall back there. Another brilliant shift by Canada, but they can't beat Richter. He was the best player for our team, and when your goal, he's the best player. Good things are going to happen. Ron Wilson said, until we beat Canada in a meaningful game, we can't say that we have respect. They have beaten them in a meaningful game.

Even more respect can be grabbed on Saturday. Silence. Silence. You can hear a pin drop. Canadian fans thought the league game restored order. Shot and Freud. Did we possibly lose this game five to two to the United States? This is what hockey's all about.

I mean, each team has one hand on the World Cup, and it's going to be a slug fest to see who gets the other hand on them. This is what we dreamed of. When we first heard, there'd be a World Cup of hockey. go to a third game in the U.S. against Canada. The expected team had played well and won the first game. The other guys had won the second game. And so now it becomes paramount to Canadian Honor to win the third game.

You're expected to win. Second place is not necessarily tolerated. It's really the one thing we have over the Americans, and we'd like to hold on to that. We'd like to bring down the American ego that they're the best. actually they're not. We stayed at the hotel, which is like a block from the rink. So we're walking through with security, like thousands of people.

It's chaos. These people are painted. They got the Canadian flags going. You know, people are yelling at us. I'm not sure whoever says that Canadians are really polite ever went to. It was just man. It was literally screaming at us. It was like you were rock.

stars going into a place, but they didn't want to hear you. This will likely be the largest crowd tonight to ever watch an international hockey game. Every kid who plays hockey in Canada dreams of that moment to be standing on the blue line wearing a team Canada jersey listening to what's going on. That's why Theo based on worry. I'm on. Put in those 10,000 hours of practice. little guy

he's a part of something incredible I love I love Canada in Canada it's like 5 foot 8 the possibility of losing the team USA and team USA going

we have a chance to beat Canada and knock the king off the crown from the drop of the puck the pace of play was fast and furious the game was scored

midway through the first period late game Give it to Leach, Leach to cross. Big drive by Holy God. Brett Hall is going to the fucking face off. You know, below the fucking faceoff circle. Jesus.

I mean, just a fucking one-timer from that angle. Great. From that, a one-time shot from below the face-off dot, up against the goddamn board. Yeah, I hate Brett Hall, but, you know, dude, give it up for the man. Well, you know, it was always that thing when we were growing up that we hated,

there were certain players. we hated until they played for the national team. And then when they played for the national team, it was like, all right, we, yep. Yeah, of course, like obviously. But yeah, I mean, like half the guys in the ice that night, I'm sitting there going, fucking hate that guy, hate that guy, hate that, kick his ass.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, but I'm really happy that Chellios is on our back line. And I, like, I'm going to. You're on the road. The United States finished the first period with a one-nothing lead. In the second, things got more. They're fighting for every inch. Both teams. It's fast. It's scintillating. It's vicious. My sons now who are 16 or 18. They watch the game with me. They asked me if there were any rules. Were there any rules at all? Are these teams finishing their checks? Oh boy. They are really finishing their checks.

This was the toughest game I had to referee in my professional career. Gary Gregson getting busy. It wasn't just an aggressive forecheck. It was aggressive. everywhere. It was banging and hidden. I like to say there was a lot of hate in that game. It's a game of battles. The battles that you win, both mentally and physically,

that allow you to have success. Of course, right, it was Amarillo. That makes sense. It was Lamarillo. What a shock. Like, Lamarillo built a team that he thought could beat Canada.

Yep. That's simple. And there wasn't, and at that point, point in time other than possibly Ken Holland, who was in Detroit, there was nobody else that you would have wanted to put that team together. And I remember the controversy, now that I think about it, I remember the controversy of who was put on, who was left off and everything else. It kind of comes down to it's like what Her Brooks did with the Lake Placid team. If you haven't, if you guys haven't

fucking watched Miracle, like, holy shit. Like, you can boycott Disney all you fucking want. You go watch Miracle anyway, because one, Kurt Russell. And the two, that team, He knew exactly what he needed. Oh, greatest line in that, greatest line in that movie was, oh, a bunch of guys from Minnesota, a bunch of guys from Boston, yeah, this is going to work.

Anybody, nobody, nobody who knows anything. If you don't know about college hockey, you don't understand how much Minnesota colleges and Boston colleges and New England colleges hate each other. Hate each other, without a doubt. But actually, my favorite line in that movie is,

it's probably a bit of a dramatization. It's the last minute of the game when you go over to the bench and they're waiting for why he hasn't pulled. He hasn't pulled. No, it wasn't. And he goes, he doesn't know what to do. And as at that moment that in that performance version of of her Brooks that he's like, oh my God, we can actually win this game. He was not convinced they could win really until that moment right there. You know, you know, it's crazy.

It really makes that whole thing work so well. Sorry, go ahead. Go back and watch that game. After Arruziani scores the goal, the USA team plays the trap for the whole rest of the game. All the rest of the game. They just play the left wing on. Yeah.

Yeah. It was, I mean, they, they, fucking, the Russian team was playing dump and dig. The Russian team was playing dump and

fucking dig. That's not, that's not Russian hockey. Not at all. But they didn't have any, but they didn't have any other way to gain the blue line. Because they were standing up the blue line. They were standing four guys on the blue line.

And they were playing the lock. And it was, you know, yeah. So, well, at least the version of the lock that we have that, that, you know, that existed at the time. And, yeah, well, it's going to be the same. I mean, if you probably go back and watch, really watch this game, you'd probably see the exact same thing. It was this was the era that the left wing lock dominated. Everybody knew how to play it. They didn't have, they hadn't, they hadn't figured out how to break it yet.

And it was Ken Hitchcock, another guy I can't stand. It was Ken Hitchcock and Lindy Ruff that figured out how to beat the left wing lock. And they did it two different ways. I don't remember quite how Hitchcock did it, but it was, it was the drop pass of the blue line. When you broke out of your zone, the forward would drop it back to the defenseman, and then it would be a four-man rush or five-man. Man Rush, and that's how you beat the left wing lock. And it was only rough, most, mostly who figured it out.

Hitchcock was doing a slightly different version of it. But, um, but of course, Hitchcock, you know, was awarded a Stanley Cup by playing it perfectly with a bunch of 40-year-old and, like, egregiously, um, um, icing the puck. Yeah. So, well, here's, uh, here's Lendros being Lendros. Ready for huge savings. Well, mark your calendars from November, 28. because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back.

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There was serious stick work. Oh, yeah, exactly. Continue to rise throughout the second period. The nastiest moment came from the stick of Keith Kachuk. Look at the Chuck, oh my. Oh, yeah, well, fucking Adam, for the third. Here, Derekson is being talked to by both linesmen. This could be a big decision.

You have to take a position that you can defend. You can't just say, wow, we thought. You know, that's why we conferred, because, you know, that's a huge, a huge call. Five minutes to Kentucky. Well, it's for the stick work, and that also carries a game of conduct. He wanted to win, I wanted to win, and probably stepped over the line, but... stepped over the line, but what are you going to do? It was a little bit of a warning shot by the refs.

I don't think anybody necessarily saw it coming, but understood where they're coming from. Tough got to lose, though, at that point. Tough got to lose. As second period play resumed, the U.S. turned to their goaltender and game two hero, Mike Richter, to preserve their one-nothing lead.

Lord Lemieux, got it back to Craves and a save bid by Richter. We were sitting right behind Richter's cage and how many times we watched Canadian players put their hands up. Lindrauss did it a couple of times. Sure, the puck was in the net and it wasn't. Wayne Gretke, he sent it in front of Lindress. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah.

By Ricker's. Oh. Look at this four. He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. The one vivid memory I do have is of Mike Richter's save on Vinnie Danfuss. Oh, his back up. He came down on a pretty clean breakaway.

And he kind of deeped me out of my jock a little bit. I went too hard on his second to last deep. And then he went to stuff it in. I was able to get my stick back there. Major games to make legends out of hockey players and Richter is becoming a legend already. I can feel kind of the stadium going up. There it is.

And then it wasn't. And that was a good feeling because, you know, that can frustrate a team. It can frustrate an arena. At some point you're wondering, will you ever get another one by this guy? In that second period, Richter stopped in astonishing 21 shots.

I mean, definitely that's one of the toughest to ever play the game. He's top. I never, you know, I never bought into the whole Scott Stevens's, you know, tough but clean. I never bought into that. I watched him. Oh, no, he was a dirty hockey player. And with just seconds to go,

the United States led won nothing. Everybody just kept pushing and kept believing and focused our entire energy, you know, trying to tie it up. Lindross tough to pass across Gretzky there, 8 to go out of the top down, turn around! I was so disappointed and I knew I saw him coming and I thought I should have had that goal. I was just don't like giving up our goal going into a locker room. We're tied up at one and with 5.5 seconds to go on the second period. Yeah, yeah. Lindrosse put the puck on the ice underneath the right arm of Mike Richter.

A power play goal. That was tough. Five seconds left, and you're going to that room, and you have all that work you just put into it, and back to square one. If you give up those goals late in the period, and close games, those teams usually lose. There's a guy that, Doug Wade, there's a guy.

I'm poiled in anonymity of it. Years and years. Um, you know, what a hell of a player. He was a hell of the player. We are back at the Bolson Center in Montreal. Someone said, you know, one, one game in the final period against Canada for the world championship. You take that every day.

This crowd enjoying another great hockey game. The United States dominated early in the third. Deadbar right. But failed to convert. midway through the period, the game was still tied at one. I remember how exciting it was, you know, that Holy Cowell third period, we had a good feeling. You know, we're all elite players. We all love the opportunity to be a part of history.

You got to be kidding me. After all, we've kind of weathered. I know Brichter has yet to see it, and he heard that awful sound behind him when the puck hit the I guess happened so many times in history for Canada. You know, we need a big goal, and Canada's always seemed to have been able to get it, and sure enough, we got it again. When he scores that goal,

you would have thought the bench would have just went, and it almost went the other way. Every guy perked up. The coaches, the players, everyone went, like, oh, now we got to go. But time was running out for the U.S. With less than four minutes ago, they trailed two to one. It looked like Goliath would win again. The expectations of the nature on Canada.

Then came this. Help game from Lemieux. Shoot one to flick. I'm dead. Spread hold. Brian. And I just, I get a piece of it. Kujo's looking up for the puck and it goes, bounces through his left.

Oh, what a fucking deflection. Yeah, but, but I mean, you have to think that's a high stick, though. You have to think it was really pretty close. I think it hit the, I think it might have hit his, the blade of a stick, which was below the, his shoulders. Because it's the, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that goal. Now I think about it. Yeah, yeah.

Can you watch the replay? They're going to do the replays. They can celebrate just yet. Gregson is going to call upstairs to the video goal judge and see if the six. It was over the crossbar. Oh, baby, that is close. It was awfully close, wasn't it? It could be, it might not be, it isn't.

They are continuing to view it. We had some concern on the bench. Holly's like, there's no way they're counting this. Well, yeah, because we were in Canada. I said for sure, they're going to screw us. Yeah, yeah. And Brexton says, go. Yes.

And they didn't. I was like, whole white mackerel. Things have changed. The score is tied at two. It's like overtime right now. 318 to go. Ron Wilson addressed Tony Amanti the morning of the third game. Ron said something to the effect.

You know, you've got the winner tonight. And jokingly, Amante responded, can I be Mike Arousione? And Wilson said, sure, you're ugly, you're Italian, and you went to Boston University. just like he did. You know 40 to go.

King Tined at two. Thatcher weapon. Shoot one thing. He goes, go! God! But once again, there was an objection. Yep.

Curtis Joseph came out and pleaded to Gregson that it was kicked. Like Tony, you kick you. Oh, hell no, I didn't kick it. It hit me. When they went for the review,

it was definitely fighting, you know, saying, you know, that was all stick. That was all stick. Terry Gregson was in the left corner. He was looking right at the play, and he was emphatic that it was a goal. Now it's being questioned.

Well, we go again. That's a legitimate goal. That goes in. That's a good goal. Point goal? Team USA is ahead. He didn't make any kicking motion. He was just skating.

No, he didn't hit his skate. No, not at all. He didn't even if it hit a skate. That's a good goal. Two goals by Team USA. Both of them reviewed, both of them found accounts. Hey, there's still time on the clock. There's still opportunity for us to tie the game up.

With less than a minute ago and a face-off in their offensive zone, Team Canada pulled their goalie. Messia is on the draw on his back end. Obviously, at the time, he was one of the best face-off men in the... Messia against Joel Otto on the face-off. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't get any better. Yeah.

World, he wins the draw back to the point. Gratzky kind of slug. flips to the back door. I see him standing there. I'm like, this guy's the greatest score ever. He's wide open. When your team is down a goal, who do you want to have the puck? Wayne Gretzky?

Great. Glant's right off the blade of a stick, through his legs and wide. You know, the greatest player that ever lived, you know, when he misses from there, you know, someone's on your side. Badgloom. I've never felt like that. It was an amazing feeling. And then Daddy kind of ended it with just a real spirit.

special goal. All these goals had gone in. It was like four goals in three and a half minutes. So we could actually enjoy the last 10 or 15 seconds of the clock counting down. I had no idea what to do. I looked at Chris Chelyos and I said, I go, what do I do? What do I do? Number one.

Right? And he goes, drop your stick and and come give me a hug. It felt great. You know, we felt so proud. Putting on your country's jersey is always, it is really a special thing. We did it.

We did what we set out to do. We held our ground against Canada, and we did it in Canada. Garen was a part of those Dallas teams with Hitchcock. You catch the, in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive.

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They played better. They scored more goals. We lost. What are you going to do? Unfortunately, I happen to a lot of everyone. In Canada, we don't ever play for soccer in place. You lose, it's devastating. I'm a prick guy. I hate the Olympics. Canada's hockey fans could use a national therapy session.

There are millions of depressed Canadians out there as the United States beat Team Canada. to win the first World Cup of hockey. It was like mourning. People wouldn't speak, they wouldn't even look, and they knew who we were. It was like, oh my God, it was like Montreal had turned into zombies. The best team usually wins.

We played Canada. We played a great game. Unfortunately, USA played a better game. I remember being kind of a smart aleck myself, saying that Canada's flying their flags at half mass. I think the Americans winning, and I hate to say this, because, you know, the rivalry, but, you know, them winning was great for hockey. This is a gigantic boost for hockey in the United States.

Just as many of the players on the 96 team were inspired by the events at Lake Placid, so too, in some ways, a younger generation. of Americans were inspired by this team. For USA hockey and for little kids playing the game, who are now professionals now, it was enormous. I remember watching the game. I mean, I was 12 at the time, but I remember the Americans like us,

we grew up idolizing and wanting to be. This is the best American election in history has led us from coast to coast, congratulate the American team. It was David Goliath. We came right into the Lions Den and beat Canada at its home game. I'll tell you, this is a great, great feeling. And it was guys who believed and collected them throws in August and Providence.

And in 30 days' time, went to the top of the mountain. Yeah, I'll tell you, man, there is no, I've seen every professional sport live. There is nothing like Sianaki. No, no, there really isn't. And, and I was complaining a little bit earlier about it. But, you know, I, it is a, it is, it is, it is an amazing thing. And, you know, I can, I, I've watched thousands, hundreds, you know, tens of thousands of hours of hockey on television. I've been, I've been to, you know, easily a dozen games.

But, you know, when you learn how to watch the game on TV, it's a very difficult game to watch on television. You have to know the game. to be able to anticipate where the puck is going because the camera can't see you or can't show you everything. So I would run into this all the time. I'd be sitting there watching a game with my friends or my family or whatever. And they're just like watching the puck going back and forth. And I'm like jumping out of my skin because I know where the other guys on the ice are.

Right. I know where everybody is even when I can't see them. I know where the puck's going to go. I know. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Oh, my God.

Because the best part about this game is that, And we complained earlier that the ring is too small for the guys who were playing the game today. But what hockey has that no other professional team sport really has is that the entire field is dangerous everywhere at all times. No interaction between players is insignificant. None. I don't give a shit if it's a defenseman standing behind his net directing the breakout. It doesn't matter. That's like the least tense moment of a game of hockey.

And even then, there's 18 ways that can go badly, depending on the type of 4-check, depending on the type of the lock that they're playing or whatever. And it's, and because of that, it's a game, it's in constant motion, read and react at all times. I make fun of it. We talked about earlier. I make fun of it.

I call soccer, slow hockey on grass. Because it is. It's slow. This field is too goddamn big. There's too many. There's not enough players. And the whole thing is not a pressure cooker. The game of hockey properly played is 60 minutes worth of pressure cooker.

And it never relents until the puck's until the horn goes in and the horn goes off. And hopefully it's not tied. And then you've watched any like multi-overtime games in the playoffs. you're like, yeah. Well, the point where you're like, you just hope somebody wins just so that the poor guys don't like die of your dehydration.

Yeah, Colorado, when they beat Florida in the 96, in game four went to three, it was three overtimes. And then Uwee, Uey Krupe, a freeing European defenseman, just

takes a puck off the boards and throws it at the net and it goes, past Van Bies from. Yeah. And there's a game. Yeah. No, I mean, the game that, you know, I've, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the year off the, the, the, the, game. And that's the game would have won the Stanley Cup had Jason Wolling not banged one off the fucking iron.

Beat fucking Eddie Belfour, clean from the blue line. Bounces off the, you know, bounces off the, the iron. and we keep going. But it was Pittsburgh in Philadelphia that went five fucking overtimes. Yep. Where three overtimes in, they were calling in pizza because the arena was out of food. Like the players were empty.

They needed to eat. They've been playing. They played two full games at this point. They played almost three full games of hockey in one night. It was insane. And guys are cramping and, and, you know, and I hear the,

you know, the calls of, well, maybe we should go to the shootout and the, you know, or, you know, we should limit the number of overtimes or whatever. Like, no. This is the one sport. Yeah, you can't do that in the Stanley Cup. You know, and there's, this is that this is, there's a lesson here for everybody. You know, the game of hockey has every lesson you can ask for. This is where you find out what you're actually made of.

This is what you find out, you know, what is. what's fucking important to you. And there is no virtue signaling in the goddamn locker room. And, you know, we don't care. We did a little bit of sandbag on people tonight. But the truth of the matter is, is the reason we did this is because of what's going on in the world today.

Right. Because the Canadians really need to stop fucking virtue signaling and get over themselves and realize that they have more in common with us than they do a fucking Europe. what most people won't realize unless you play the game is and I've had like marathoners who took up the game say this like took it up later in life they're like I didn't think that there was anything that could exhaust me in 30 to 40 seconds than jumping out on the ice and taking a shift yeah these are people who can run 26.2 miles in three hours right and within within 30 to 40 seconds. 40 seconds, they're winded. And they have their stick up and they're climbing, they're climbing back over the boards.

I mean, as a kid, you know, and I used to, I used to run five miles a night when I played. I had great wind. And it was like 30 to 40 seconds and I'm done. I mean, it's like, yeah. And yeah. One of the things that was interesting, you'd bring this up, right? There was, like in the old days, like when we used to watch this when we were kids,

you know, those guys would take, you know, minute and a half, two minute shifts. The top lines would take, a minute and a half, two minute shifts was insane. Today, the game is absolutely a 30 second chick for you get your ass off the ice, right? One of the interesting things that that was about Brian Campbell, of all people,

the Buffalo and then Florida defensemen. I don't remember where he wound up after Florida at any point. But Campbell had unbelievable wind. That guy could take three and four minute shifts on the blue line and skate, Both ends of the ice. I mean, you get defensemen trapped on the ice for two-minute shifts all the time. Because you're moving the lines every 30 seconds, every 30 to 40 seconds,

but your defensemen are on a two-minute shift generally. Especially in the second, especially in the second period when you have to go all the way for. Yeah, when you've got the long change, right. Yeah. And yeah, you've got the long change. You can't get the defenseman off the ice. And then when they did away with, you know, changing the lines after,

changing the players after an icing, right? So there was no more dumping the puck down the ice to get guys off the ice, which is how Ken Hitchcock won a goddamn Stanley Cup with a bunch of 40-year-olds. Fucked hard. But again, that happened. It was so egregious during that Stanley Cup finals

that they changed the rule the next year. It was the next year that they did that because they went through and they looked at a whole thing and we got to change that rule. That's clearly, you know, that clearly costs Buffalo the Stanley Cup. Clearly, to be honest with you, it cost Dallas.

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on less egregious crease violations of what Brett Hall scored, the Stanley Cup clinching goal. Todd Marchant scored. They should have won game four, whatever it was. Doug Waite scored, and they were all called off for no goddamn reason other than, well, yeah, maybe. And it was terrible. And then what happened was after the first round of the Edmonton,

the first round against Edmonton, internally, the NHL said, we have to liberalize the crease rule. And they did it during the fucking finals. which was, again, this is why at the end of the game, the end of the day, it's a great game and a fucking shit league that operates it. And that owns the Stanley Cup. The only thing, Gary Betman destroyed hockey. Oh, yeah, in many ways, yeah.

But again, but then, but Batman is just a reflection of the world we live in today. He's a, he's a, he's a reflection of the, of basically fucking woke in communism. He, we, everything that was happening in the game of hockey for years that Grapes used to complain about and he was right about and the basic divide between the real Canada and the fucking Laurentian elites, uh, as, um, as represented by Ron McLean, it was staring you in the face the entire time. And you could see it coming. And now we're here in, now today, it's a, it's a shadow of it's a shadow of itself in many ways. even though possibly the greatest player to ever like Lace on skates,

Connam or David, is, you know, tearing it up. And that's, you know, take nothing away from Malice Gubetschkin or any, you know, but, but McDavid is like, you know, again, another generational talent.

And, you know, Edmontonians look at me and go, oh, dude, McDavid, he makes Gretzky look like a fucking farm boy. In his ability to see the ice and play and have the whole thing. He's the whole package of Gretzky's ability to see the ice. and the physical package to go along with it.

And yeah, I watched it, you know, in, you know, the last couple of games of the finals, I was like, oh, yeah, you can see that immediately. And, well, you know, one of the, one of the things people who didn't grow up watching it and didn't get to watch it in the era we watched it in was that it was, it's a caveman sport, but also you police your own. And that was, you know, that's why you had, you had the goons. You had the enforcers. The enforcers were there to, sometimes just to fight other, to fight other enforcers so that, you know, so that the tension that's happening between teams can be taken away.

But also, a lot of times you had fighting just because it was like, okay, this guy did something dirty. And, you know, you're not going to complain about it. he you need to do something about it you need to police this you know and i remember the i was talking to someone and they like and i was trying to explain hockey to them and they thought that like fighting you could just fight and there was no penalties right no you you get a pet you have to sit for five minutes you know in the way yeah i don't know now probably probably you get five in a game i'm fighting fighting is at least two at least two five five and possibly a game depending on Yeah, that's just ridiculous.

And people don't realize it was, it was a bunch of frigging, a bunch of Canadian farm kids, a bunch. And some of them were from the East Coast and, you know, they grew up a little more, they grew up with a little more money. And a lot of, and a lot of Minnesota and Boston, you know, the kids had had money. Some of the Minnesota kids might not add money, but the Boston kids came for money and everything. But they were hard asses, man. They were hard asses. And it was, it, it was just a game that was, it was royal. It was, it was like, it's literally like the king of sports because you, there, there's nothing,

when you look at it in its purest form, if you watch it, like, if you watch the late 70s, into the 80s and even into the mid 90s, it was just people going. going out there to play for the sake of playing a game. I remember the, um, after when the Islanders won the fourth, when they won their fourth Stanley Cup in a row and they beat Edmondson. And they said that, um, it was Edmonton, right? Was the, was the fourth in 84? I think it was, yeah, Evan then I had to learn how to lose before they could win,

just like everybody else. Yeah. And I think Paul Coffey, I think Paul Coffey said, he said, I said, I remember we were, we lost and we're like, all right, let's go into the city and party. Because, you know, it was out on Long Island. And he said, I'm walking past the, the Islander locker room. And I look in there and like, like, Potvin is laying flat on his back on the floor, just hyperventilating.

He goes, he left it all out on the ice. And we're going to party. He goes, this guy can't even get up. right now and probably needs, probably needs oxygen, probably, you know, needs fluids. And we're going out to party. We didn't leave it all out on the ice. He goes, and that was when we knew what we had to do next to the following year. Yep.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, no. And Al Arbor, like Glenn Seather and others was a tyrant. He had to be, you know, the same way that, you know, watch, again, watch Miracle, watch Herbrooks, you get a taste of. of what a coach is willing to do to put his players through in order to get them ready to play this game at its highest level.

And there's funny story about that, right? My wife doesn't even, doesn't know any of this stuff. We go to see, we got to watch the movie in the theaters because we're hockey fans at this point where it comes out. And we're watching the, watching the movie. And she's like, she turns to me, she goes, they lose, right? I'm like, no, honey, they win. She's like, what the fuck?

They win. And she's like, oh my God. You're right. You don't remember the story? You weren't, I mean, were you not a lot? I mean, you were, I know you're alive back in 1980. Like, really? Okay.

Okay. So Southern Ohio really is a different fucking world. Because where I was, when I was, when that game happened, it was, it was a big, big deal. And it wasn't just because it was the United States versus the Soviet Union. It was because. it was a bunch, it was everything that was wrong with the way the Olympics were at the time, which is that, you know, the Soviet block teams, because they weren't professionals by definition, they could put men on the ice.

They could put, and they trained all year long. Whereas our kids over here, you know, they got some state support and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it was basically, it was them playing for the love of playing. It doesn't matter what sport it was. And it was absolutely, at the, at its greatest, dichotomy in the sport of hockey because it's such a team sport. These kids are 18 to 21 year olds.

You know, once they're 21, you know, once they're, you know, once they're done, like they're going to go to the NHL and they had to stay in school, right? Some of them were third striers that were net, they were undrafted. So you had to, so the old men on the team like a Ruzioni who were undrafted, right? Jim Craig, Jim Craig played 30 games in the NHL. Yeah, he played for Calgary. He was terrible. Yeah.

He never lived up to that again. No. He was an average goaltender. And he was a good A.HL goaltender. But for that tournament, he was the greatest goaltender overlived. Yeah. I mean, without it out. Or a fat three-week period.

What are you going to do? And then when you go fast forward 16 years to the World Cup And I know they're all professionals and everything like that. I mean, Richter. And basically everyone, all of the Canadian coaches that were interviewed after that said, yeah, I mean, Richter stood on his head. Richter won that whole thing. I mean, that's why he was the MVP. Brett Hall was the leading score in the whole tournament.

But Richter won for them. No, but there was the era in which goaltenders could do that. Yeah. Like it was 19, John Van Biesbrook, you know, taking, taking Florida all the way. Third years. It was everybody, it was, it was the era of the goaltender. You know, it was like I grew up in the 70s, right? I can't watch the game baseball anymore because guys have ERAs, you know, greater than three who don't pitch the entire game.

Because I grew up with Steve, I grew up with, with, with Tom, with, with Tom, I grew up with, you know, with, with Ron Guidry. Ron Guidry, for in 25 and three and, you know, in 25 and three with a one three six ERA. He struck that. You know, you know, and, and, and he still might not have won the Say young that year. Because Mark Fidgerst was having in the equally unbelievable year for Detroit. an exceedingly average team with an unbelievable, with one unbelievable pitcher.

I mean, not to say that they didn't have other, but yeah, it was just like it was, and that's baseball. And one of the, you know, I was talking with Dexter White about this stuff when we were putting the last month's newsletter together and we, and he said, you know, one of the things about baseball, which is this, in, in all of sports, it's one of the few things, which is, it's a, there is that purity of the pitcher versus the hitter.

and nothing happens until this one-on-one confrontation is resolved in some way. Baseball doesn't happen without mano-o-mano, that's what's happening here, right? And, you know, there's no zone this. There's no team until the pitcher and the hitter resolve their shit. And it's a very, you know, as he put it, it's a very Greek thing. And it's a very, you know, it's a very, you know, um, um, um, um, apex of human achievement kind of thing. And in many ways, the same thing goes along,

the same things happen with the game of hockey. At the end of the day, it comes down to, when is that guy going to take a shot? And what is the goaltender going to do about it? And it happens all the time. Now, there's all the other guys that are setting up

in order to make sure that you can balance, you can ship the probabilities that I put going in the net in your favor, but still at the end of the day, it comes down to you and me and obviously the penalty shot is and, you know, okay, just to give us an idea,

the penalty shot in hockey, 35% chance of going in. That's how tough this fucking sport is. At the end of the day, how good the goaltenders are. They stop two out of every three penalty shots. Yep. You know what's,

you know, it was an insane game. And I think it was on ESPN because I know I saw, but Lemieux scored a goal every possible way. Full strength, short-handed, penalty shot, empty net, and what's the other way? Power play, short-handed, even strength, empty net. All in one game.

Yeah, I think I watched that guy, actually. Yeah. You want to talk about a guy? I mean, we could talk. Oh, well, Merriam. We spent hours talking about everyone. The guy comes back and not having laced up skates in 10 years and comes back playing, you know, after, you know, having lymphoma and then that is the best.

And by far the best player on the ice. His first shift on the ice, he has an assist. Yes. His first shift back on the ice, he has an assist. Yeah, he was the first, he, his first shift on the ice as a rookie, he picked the puck up, went in and scored. He jumped off. Mario Lemieux was. Yeah.

Yeah. He was, he, he, Mario was an unbelievable, an unbelievable talent. He was the whole package, like Conna McDavid, like other. just absolutely the whole thing. And people would be, I remember I used to get in arguments with people, people would be like, oh, well, I mean, I'd rather have Wayne Gretzky on my team. I'm like, I'd rather have a healthy Mario Lemieux any day. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would absolutely. I mean, if I had my choice, I mean, there's like, there's a few guys that absolutely would, you know, I would go to war with one of them, you know, yeah. I mean, Mario is one of those guys. I mean,

I'm much more of a grinder. I'm much more of a, give me, give me my team of grinders and, you know, and halfway decent top top two lines and then I need and I need my Western Canadian guys on the back end and maybe my tough, you know, Stoic Swede like a Nicklitz from or somebody like that or Peter Forsberg. Yeah. I mean, that guy played so that guy played so fucking hard. He would hurt. He would he would hurt himself. He was always fucking hurt because he would hurt himself. I know.

Well, the game costs him spleen. Yeah. I remember watching Ray Bork the year that, the Colorado won that cup and got his teeth knocked out on the ice. And was literally, wait, picking up his own teeth, handing them to his teammate and then going and lining up, because it was during an icing or whatever the hell it was. It was to the middle of his shift.

He picks his teeth up off the ice and then gets back and lines up. Doesn't miss the shift. Shit doesn't even finish the shift. And anybody who thought that, you know, Ray Bork was soft because he couldn't win the big game. Like, no, he's playing for fucking Boston. And Boston sucked for 25 years. Like one guy can't win a can't win anything in the NHL.

Not even a goaltender. Not even a guy as good as Dominic Hachuk took the, literally took the 99 savers to, you know, you know, to be honest, yeah, of course that team shouldn't have been anywhere near the cup. But I remember watching that year, they're going, no, no, there ain't a team tougher than them in the tournament. And I know their path through it. I remember just charting in, I'm like, they can beat Philly, they can beat this, but they can beat that.

Yeah. It's going to get. And their worst matchup is going to be Dallas, but I have a distinct feeling that, you know, they can beat Dallas too. All right, Tom. Well, thanks for joining me for this. And thank you for that we didn't talk about politics at all. because I mean I could if I don't if we don't cut this right here we can probably talk all night because I mean there's just one of those sports that you can start you'll remember this is a crazy thing about hockey you'll remember a game and you'll be like oh yeah and another person will like oh yeah I remember that game and then for the next three hours all you do is talk about that game oh yeah yeah no it's that I yeah no Pete I have so many memories for 15 years I drank and shat the freaking in HL. And

it was I, yeah, and I had to stop at some point because it was like, it was ruining my life. So, but it's a great game. I'll give Canada credit for it. But yeah. Do, um, two plugs.

We'll get out of here. Gold goats and guns. You guys know where it is. TFL 1728 on Twitter. Patreon slash gold goats and guns. I never talk about hockey other than as a, as a, uh, a geopolitical lesson, which I'll leave, I'll leave that on the county room for it tonight, and I'll do it tomorrow. All right, man. Thank you. Take care.

Bye, bye, bye.