The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1213: The Thought Crime Syndicate - Order and Chaos

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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doing great Pete thanks for having me it seems like we just talked the other day Jose how are you I'm doing well Charles very well thank you Pete very well so I mean I really don't know where to jump in here because there's so much going on

but um does anybody do we want to get a discussion going as to what we think is happening I think Jose may call it K-Fabe, just knowing Jose, where it looks like Israel is, Netanyahu is on the outs with Trump. Anybody. Jose, why don't you field that one? Well, I hope and pray it's true.

I mean, I hope and pray it's true, but I would, Jose would know more than me. Um, so my impression is that, like, I, I just think that the U.S. is so overstretched now that, yeah, there's like an element of KFabe where I don't think there's been like a rupture in relations, because I think the U.S. Israel relationship, it goes beyond like the feelings of like the U.S. president. and like the Israeli Prime Minister, it's very like structurally like built in and whatever beef like Joe Biden has with Benjamin Yahoo and then Donald Trump has and ultimately it just turns out to be theater

in the long term. I just think that now they with the whole Houthi conflict like the US just took like a big fat L with with them with a bunch of just rag tag militia people like shutting down the Red Sea and launching pretty sophisticated missiles against Israel. Seems that they're going through like a recalibrated approach where I think they're trying to go on a charm offensive.

Like the U.S. is trying to go on a charm offensive with these Arab states like these sellout Arab states from like the UAE, the Saudis and try to mend these ties and then try to reset like some type of conflict with Iran like six months or. a year down the line. Because I just don't really think that there's much appetite amongst the American public to just fight like a war with Israel. And that's why they're going to try to get creative by not just trying to build this whole Abraham Accords, which is basically a balancing coalition of like the Uncle Tom Arab states that will basically serve as cannon fodder for Israel along with the U.S. as well but also i think to with um that wickoff character that jew that they're sending um all over

to like russia and iran i think they're trying to get him to get russia to abandon iran as well to abandon that type of strategic partnership and i think that's not that's what's not really being discussed but when it comes to this type of stuff dealing with organized jury you often have to like read between the lines because I think that that's been part of a plan where the Trump strategy is to tap into the sellout Arab axis and also woo the Russians over by making some concessions in Ukraine to get them to isolate Iran. And I also think they're doing this too with India, which has been a pretty strong partner of Iran. They're really making. overturers there with especially with the likes of like jd vance and um yeah there is definitely

kphi but it's also just like the reality of like the fact that like the judeo-american empire has like reached like a breaking point both in terms of its foreign policy ventures and just the fact that like the country domestically is just increasingly becoming a mess and it's barely keeping the lights on let alone being able to project power against Iran Russia and like China, it's just a disaster on all fronts. Well, I'll just make a quick comment and somebody else can jump in. I recorded what Stormy yesterday. That episode's coming out tomorrow and this is one of the things we talked about.

I made the point. Trump could become virulently anti-Israel, but there's going to be another election. There's going to be another. Somebody else is going to be president one day. Somebody else is going to be, somebody else is going to be sitting in the, the, you know, the secretary of state chair. And if the deep state, you know, if these administrative types aren't cleaned out, well, what does it matter?

Well, what is just a pause, basically? So, I mean, really, like, I think you started off by saying that it's so deeply entrenched that it's really not going to go away. And yeah, how can it go away if we're going to have elections in the future? Yeah, that's actually a really good point. because um they could get they um Israelis could just like waded out and honestly they could get really petty i mean people didn't forget this that hw bush in some respects um got cooed by organized jewelry for the mere fact of just delaying alone to israel over uh some west bank settlement

stuff he also funny enough when he knocked out uh nortiga um I think Noriega, one of his close confidants was a Mossad asset, Mike Hariri. And I mean, just like the slightest, like, kind of, like, offense is enough to piss off the Israelis because it's just such a petty people that if they don't get, like, enough military aid or enough of, like, their demands met, like, they treat it as, like, of a betrayal. so anything's possible but at this point yeah there it seems to me that the US

like there is like a rational calculus being made that they just can't pursue this stuff at the moment but who knows what could happen and what type of people they'll insert a year from now especially with a lot of reshuffling of the national security state

but yeah they could also just waded out because that whole there's a big continuity of agenda when it comes to the think tank industrial complex and the permanent bureaucracy and at the end of the day when you have like a

really like post democratic state like the US elections almost don't matter and it's basically the people that write the policy papers and the people who are part of like the permanent bureaucracy that determine public policy so to give you an example of why the

election i mean like white trump tom tell us just torpedoed trump's uh u.s attorney pick for dc so the most important arguably maybe either the most important or the second most important after southern district of new york right and like tom tell us and linds and linds graham were going to me in the senate until they die or they quit or they volunteer to quit they're not going anywhere and they're just not going to, I mean, they're not going to be on the side of Donald Trump because they're military industrial complex guys, they're rabbi Zionists, whatever, pick your thing, but a huge, huge chunk of the, you know, GOP Senate or traders. Yeah, I think that we're, what we're seeing now is we have, we,

The only reason that anything like this would happen is a realization that, one, the bad things that Jose had mentioned about everything happening at home and needing to concentrate on everything that's happening here. And two, I mean, there's obviously a pivot to China going on. And if you're going to have a pivot to China, you have to, that's going to take all of your resources. That's going to take all of your intelligence. It's going to take. you need to have everything ready at a moment's notice. I mean, if the Houthis are, if Trump's willing to deal with the Houthis and with Saudi Arabia without Israel being in charge, I mean, to me, it could be a big middle finger to Netanyahu

because I'm sorry, I don't believe that Trump and Netanyahu are friends. I don't care how many chairs he pulls out for him. I think that they both do not like each other at all. And I think that's just about the best thing you can hope. That doesn't mean that Trump doesn't like Israel. I think we know he does. And people say, oh, well, that means because he's one of the biggest Zionists in the world. Look, he married his daughters off to, or he's just a boomer.

And that's what boomers do. And also he's worked in New York real estate long enough to know that, wow, there's this group of people. people in the world that are really, really powerful. And if I want to get some shit done in some places, I may have to be nice to them. You know, is that good for us? Is it good for the country? No. But I mean, I guess from a real politics standpoint, it's kind of hard to ignore right now.

I just think of my friend Tommy Simmons saying, you know, if you're going to clean, if this country is ever going to get cleaned up, you know, it's just a group of people over here. they're going to... You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you. Even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range.

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Yeah, I think that's spot on. I think that's spot on. I think you put it very eloquently as far as, I don't care how many chairs he pulls out. I mean, he has to live in the world he's in. I think a lot of guys forget that that's truism. You have to live in the world you're in. And these are people, as you said, that he's encountered throughout the line. last what, 40, 50, possibly 60 years of his life that he's just done business with at all

levels for the greater part of his life. And it's not really any wonder that his family is married into them. Why wouldn't they? They're the people he encounters all the time. They're the people he golfs with. They're the people he eats with. They're the people he negotiates with. That doesn't necessarily make them friends, but he obviously sees their value. Rightly or wrong with. He's I mean, I'm not in those situations. I don't travel those circles. But I think as you put it, I think you're correct in that this is the world he lives in. And he is, I think this is also something that's easy to forget because he is a very intelligent man.

He is very, he's bombastic, but he's no fool. He's not stupid. And he also is very charismatic and he also has away with people. But I think it's easy to forget that he, like all of us, are not exempt our zeitgeist, as I am fond of saying. No man is exempt as zeitgeist. He's still going to be a boomer. He's still going to do boomer things. And we have to understand that and accept it. So that when we see certain things, we just have to take the wins where we get them. And I'm not saying we should beg for table scraps all the time either. Let's not take one extreme or the other. I'm

merely trying to contextualize things in that he's doing what he can. And I do want to step back to something Jose had said, I really like two words that you chose Jose. I thought they were excellent choices. Recalibration and the charm offensive. I thought, I thought they were very good. I think they're really well done because I think a lot of what he's trying to do is whether overtly or covertly is circle the wagons. We have to understand that he inherited a tremendous mess. I mean, at catastrophic levels, look how bad it is that we can see it. Imagine, Imagine how bad it really is. I mean, all everybody here is very intelligent.

I mean, if we can see the rot, what on earth do you think they're managing to hide from us? So I think a lot of this is him just trying to. The U.S. Navy just lost a battle for the. Go ahead, Charles. Oh, I was just saying, I was just trying to say that I think the charm offensive is, as, as Jose Pope was very, very well stated. And I think the recalibration is also very important. And I think Pete's point is this is real politic. This is what has to happen.

Because he has, he has inherited an absolute, if you'll forgive the phrase, because it's tired and worn, but it is apt at this point. He has inherited an absolute dumpster fire. What's he supposed to do with it? I mean, he doesn't even know what's in there that he has to put out. Is it a grease fire? Is it a fuel fire? What is it? What do I even use? So, I mean, he's just trying to make, keep it all under control the best he can. And frankly, I'm, everybody here knows that I'm, I'm not enamored of the man, but I do actually have to respect the fact that he has grabbed the bull by horns and is keeping public confidence at a higher level than I would have ever imagined possible given what he inherited. By all means, Dee, please take where you want it to go.

Well, just, just for Jose, briefly, you mentioned it, but just as a, how bad, things really are. The U.S. Navy just lost a battle for the first time since 1941. The U.S. Navy was decisively defeated in the Red Sea by people with no Navy. Yeah, that's, that's exactly my point. Yes. That's, yeah, that's exactly my point. Look at how bad is. Competency crisis. Yes, right. And that's, that's the point I'm trying, trying to draw to people. The irony, and basically I'll TLDR it right here, then I'll seed the floor. Like, everybody thinks that, oh, I know how bad it is. And it's like, no, you really don't.

And I freely admit as informed as I am and as attentive as I am and as much of a natural investigator as I am, I freely admit, no, I probably have no idea how bad it really is. And not to be flipping, but the meme is truer than I think even the people that bandied about realize. It's like, no, if only you knew how bad things really are. So continue, please. What I've come to realize is that a lot of people are, some people make the argument that, oh, it'd be better if, you know, you push Trump, you pushed a vote for Trump. Sure. I thought there was a better chance of me not ending up dead with Trump in, in charge than come Paula in charge.

I'm sorry. I just happened to study what they were planning on passing and some of the things that they were doing. They were planning on doing. And I'm like, eh, I think a lot of us aren't going to be able to survive that. So at least we have four years of, you know, probable, you know, breathing room to try to get things in place that we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have been able to do, you know, when she just completely cratered the economy.

And I still think there is some economic hardship coming up. But, I mean, I think that that's just, that was inevitable anyway. That was baked into the cake no matter what you do. But, you know, I still come back to a lot of this arguing over policy and arguing over, you know, how, how controlled this government is by Zionists or control by anyone, everything it's doing, I still come back to the fact that there is going to be, my enemy is going to get elected and is going to be in charge.

My enemy will control the House or the Senate or both and the White House and in the future. and there when I look at what when I look at some of the things they did from 2020 to 2024 to some people who would nominally be fellow travelers I think that if you're Trump's not going to destroy his enemies or destroy our enemies so we have a we have a road ahead of us that, you know, arguing about a lot of policy and things like that is, you know, I think the policy you should be, people should be paying attention to at this point is monetary because that's something that you're going to want to figure out how to take advantage of, because it may be

the only thing that might be able to buy you out or, you know, the famous Greg Hood tweet about, you know, just life in the United States being about making enough money to get away from the consequences as a Civil Rights Act while you're hiding about, while you're hiding your intentions of what you're doing. Yeah, if we're going to be a third world country, have the money to bribe yourself out of it. Yeah. So if we're, um, if our enemies are going to be in power again at some point, what do we do? And it's inevitable.

I mean, no one can. once you come to that realization, once you get the acceptance of that, you can go through the stages of grief, but then you'll get to the acceptance stage. And that's when you have to be like, okay, well, what are we going to do? Oldglaryclub.com, I think, is the proper website. And it doesn't, even if it, even if Donald Trump was like, the president of our dreams right you know he just just said article two and like went ham and made Mussolini after the March on Rome look like a piker right there's still a

population of what 30 million Africans in the United States probably equal number of of absolute rabid shitlibs you know that that's that's like a really big country. That's like Iran. We have an Iran-sized population of people that are irredeemably hostile to us no matter what. You're going to have to learn to live with that or deal with that or just find a way to live so that these people can't destroy you. I don't know what else to tell people. Right. Like even if, you know, Greg Abbott suddenly found the spine within himself to stand up for Texas and like ban. that that monkey statue and start you know punishing people for fraud and getting rid of all the

you know massive subsidies to uh h1bs and all of that right and militarize the border and put the Texas National Guard on the border and um you know all the state governors and all of our our good states you know got serious there's still got Gavin Newsom is nothing is going to make Gavin Newsom not hate you. He will hate you till the day he dies. So how do you deal with that? Because he has power. Yeah, I mean, what is liberalism, you know, get you?

I mean, this is all about liberalism. So if you still have it in your mind of, oh, I'm an individual, and, you know, individual rights is what's most important. And people think that, like, you know, in Germany, they didn't have individual rights. Because, you know, it was, the state was controlled. Well, why was the state controlling things? Because if the state didn't control things, there was a certain group that had basically destroyed everything. But, you know, even people like Carl Benjamin, Sargonne of Akkad, he's saying now,

liberalism can only destroy as it is an entire doctrine which evolves around breaking human relationships. What are we doing here, man? There's nothing to build out of. You have to accept power as a natural thing. Humans wield as social animals. And therefore, we have to do something at some point. And there's this guy, woke all distance, who he retweets and goes,

this is just wrong. Liberalism is not about breaking human relationships. It's just silly. One reason this is all going nowhere is that people talk past each other or play hide the ball with, their end goals. And so nothing ever gets discussed properly. And my comment to that was, quote, dialogue with people who want you dead will solve everything. What are we doing here? I mean, if, yeah, it's time to tribe up, but you can't tribe up with people

like this. You can't tribe up with people who think that all you need to do is have a conversation with the person who all you need to do is have a conversation with those anarchists in the Spanish Civil War if those priests had just explained to these anarchists and these communists that you know hey you know we're nonviolent we're not going to hurt you oh they wouldn't have slaughtered them is that what these fucking dummies think yeah and here here's the irony they need to read the gospel here's the idea the bit in the gospel where our lord tells us people to shake the dust off their feet you know like Yeah, and here's the irony.

The problem isn't that Franco killed these people. The problem is you didn't kill enough of them. Look what Spain's going through right now for crying out loud. What's he going to do? Again, I hate to keep harping on this, but what's the boomer attitude going to do? Just look them in the eye and shake their hand. Right, Pete, if you just looked them in the eye and shake their hand, these anarchists, these communists, they'll be, they'll understand what you want. You can just find a common ground and long workout.

No, it really won't. No, it really won't. And even when you try and get rid of all of them, you still have to make sure that you do it thoroughly because that's what Spain's enduring now is the fact that Franco actually had some compassion and mercy. I was like, well, I'm not just going to kill entire, entire countryside's full of you people. I'm just going to try and have a few firing squads and get rid of the worst of you. Well, apparently that didn't work out. either. Well, I mean, I don't know. You got anything, Jose? I mean, yeah, like this whole notion that you're just going to have, well, like, discourse with people that just cannot agree on basic fundamentals of, like, the questions of life, you're just, it's the perpetual discourse trap that will lead to your civilization. demise. Like, the time for talking is over. Like, the, the only debate that is to be had is how we're

going to dispose of these people. Because, yeah, if you don't thoroughly liquidate them and build institutions that prevent these people from ever, um, reconstituting themselves and insinuating themselves in your, like, society and governing structures, um, you're just going to repeat a vicious cycle of, like, decline. And we have to, like, start, um, thinking out. the box now and discarding failed doctrines of like liberalism. Well, how can they get along with us if their very existence, uh, just is contingent on them being able to parasite off of us? I mean, I know I bring it up all the time, but really the show we did, the shows we did about race porn high school ever since the 1968 teacher strike in New York,

right? Government workers have. basically been given the deal of you will have an absurd pension. Do your 20 years in government and you will get a pension where instead of, you know, 50% or 60% of your, of your salary, right? You're going to get like 90% of your salary for the rest of your life. There's no way someone, you know, the average person is not capable of putting the interests of the whole above that of themselves and for the greater good of society, sacrificing. that 90% pension for the for the common good they're just not going to do it and so you know like yes you have to completely destroy the teachers union because the teachers union is hostile to civilization there's no there's no there's no like oh well we can make it better like no you can't you have to

destroy it you have to burn it to the roots and then you have to bring the roots up and burn those and, you know, like, they're not, a conversation can't happen where, you know, in a public park recently there was a black militia group, right? And they're standing there in the park, shouting about how they want to kill every white person. How you can't live with those people. Figure it out. If you state that, somebody's going to say you're racist. I mean, there are people who still, you know, it's like, I was having a conversation with someone on Twitter today.

I said multiracial, multiracial societies don't work. I said, really, the only multiracial society right now that's kind of orderly on the planet is Singapore. And it's kind of multiracial. I mean, all those people are sort of, most of the people who have congregated there are sort of in the same kind of family. They at least, a lot of them look somewhat alike. but how do they keep order there? They keep order by they're going to, they will kill you if you get out of line

or they will cane you publicly if you get out of line. And I'm saying, you know, multiracial society just doesn't work. And they're saying, no, you know, it's not about race. It's about the fact that people can vote. And it's like, I mean, if I lived in a,

if I lived in a monoculture or a monoracial society, I mean, basically voting comes down to what you know someone wants who's who's going to give more Gibbs to my cousin I mean it if people can't even get past this and see this I mean there there people are willing to fight and die for those beliefs that we can live in a multiracial society that this should be a multiracial society that this should be you know it doesn't matter what this is You know, it doesn't matter anyone can be an American.

I mean, you can't have a conversation with those people. Yeah, going back to the point of the vicious cycle, even in this theoretical multiracial polity where voting rights are restricted, there's going to be tension one way or the other, like, say, 20 to 30 years on the line when it becomes clear that there's like a minority that's only able to exercise political power and then you have like a massive hellet class that can't vote that helic class is going to eventually clash if not revolt like this is not as this is not something this is like a future evil that has to be prevented and you do that by having a coherent like a racially coherent polity like yeah screw

that. I don't want to pass on like a future conflict to our posterity just to scratch someone's ideological itch. Well, and that's what Enoch Powell said that, you know, the chief

job of statesman was, was the prevention of foreseeable evils. And you know, we have this huge population of mestizos that maybe they vote, maybe they don't, but you know, you

you just set up and you've already seen it like how many blacks are left in Los Angeles they've been pushed out there aren't any blacks left in content or not not any like you know the birthplace of gangster rap now you hear Ranchero music and the white people are sitting there well you know we should just get along why can't we have rap Ranchero music and everyone be friendly well because the they're not capable of growing the economic pie. They need their ticks on the body politic of the state of California, on the white industries,

on the aerospace industry, on the tech industry, on the, you know, Hollywood industry that's all brought there by other people. And they are remoras on the body, you know, like following that those industries around.

And there's only so many scraps to go around. If they were capable of building first world country, on their own, they'd have built them already. Show me one. Yeah, it's the old trope about how much, you know, blacks will just shit on whites all day about being, you know, being violent and being, you know, oh, you're the real violent ones. Look at the things you've done historically. Yet they just want to be around, they want to be around white people.

But they don't want to be around white people as like, you know, a, cast that needs to be, I don't know, treated like children? No, they want to dominate. And all that turns into is violence and chimping out and killing. I mean, I talk about this all the time. There's always been, ever since the ending of slavery, there's been black crime. But there was a time when black crime was much lower. and that was at a time when, one, it was permissible,

trying not to get in trouble here, it was permissible to, let's say, what's the word I'm looking for, to, I don't want to use punish, but, you know, to discipline someone when they got out of line. And also there was, And what I will point out is when that time existed, blacks did a lot better financially, family-wise, all down the line. They did pretty good.

Well, it wasn't, yeah, good. Well, why should I care how well they're doing? They're not my countrymen. They were given the chance to be my countrymen. And they should just- Well, they're not going anywhere. That's the point I'm trying to make. They're not going anywhere.

Anyone who's screaming, anyone who's screaming, oh, we're sending the blacks back to Africa. You sound like a libertarian saying just end the state, bro. They're not going anywhere. Well, yeah, I understand. So how do we deal with them in the future? At a distance and being well armed. That's how you deal with them. And right, like Donald Trump should.

Well, you're talking about secession. And when you start talking about secession, the people who are like, well, that means you're getting away from the cities and cities is where all the power is bro and and secession just means that China is going to come in and they're going to take over and you'll just be you'll be a slave to Chinese now and everything people I mean this is shit that I see like literally people I know and I like people I've had on my show say stuff like that you know it's like oh you're gonna you can't have succession to get away from people and start your own and do your own thing because either you're going to be way code or you know the chinese will own you in in 10 years well okay two things to that first of all

like if there's someone who's thought more about cities and what it means to live in a city and how to build a beautiful city in our thing than me i want to meet that guy because i have stuff to learn but uh secondly if you're going to the the chinese might take over say Washington state or California. They already, in some large measure, control the Democratic operative or Democratic parties in those states. They're at least interested in, you know, a functioning society to colonize.

They don't want, they put up with the monkey shines in Africa? No. they show up they put up they put up with a certain amount of nonsense when the africans aren't capable delivering what do they do they parachute in you know 20 000 chinese single guys and those guys take over i'm not saying i would like the chinese to take over i'm saying the chinese have a certain amount of interest in like competent governance and in a future where where pax america is no longer a thing like this whole war in indian china india in pakistan was over, you know, I believe the Ganges, the course of the Ganges,

do you think that, you know, resources are going to get cheaper in the future as there, you know, nine billion people on Earth? They're not. So in a, in a world where the U.S. Navy is no longer ruling the waves and securing the trade routes, you know, deal with the reality in front of you. Chinese, you know, you know, satrippies in, you know, Los Angeles, they'd probably provide better services than the present state of California. Honestly. Because the Chinese wouldn't tolerate the homeless. Seattle under Chinese domination would probably smell better.

Live in the world you're actually in. And, you know, like, will the ideology of like, I don't want to be ruled over by foreigners. You're ruled over by foreigners now. Go back to the beginning of this conversation. who's actually in charge of America. Well, then they say, well, we don't want to be ruled over by those people. It's like, okay, well, then how are you going to stop it? Everybody wants to talk about, you know, how, put it this way.

What I see is what a lot of people make fun of boomers for or normies, oh, we're just going to, if we vote the right person, you know, we're going to vote someone in and they're going to make everything better. I mean, isn't that exactly what a lot of people who are like, well, secession isn't the answer or thinking? We just got to vote the right person in, bro, and then he'll clean it up, is going to have the Protestant Franco, and it's going to, you're not going to believe what's going to happen here. Well, that sounds just like wishcasting. Like, that's something that you hope happens, but is outside the right. of reality. So what do you do? If that's outside the realm of reality, and once you accept it, and I know it's hard for people to accept because a lot of people are just completely in denial, then you have to accept the fact that you may need to start over. And the best way to start over

would be organizing away from other people. And that may be. And that may be. be just may be something that would look like secession whether it be de facto or whatever but the idea that you're going to take back i mean take back a city oh republicans are going to take back atlanta okay when was last time Atlanta was republican it's been a while it's been a while it's entrenched well oh did Detroit had a Republican mayor oh and did he fix anything is Detroit like a thriving metropolis now? No. I mean,

this is this is the problem with people who are too ideologically possessed and I'll be quiet after this, but I just get so annoyed with this because I have studied cities and how they work and how they function and what they mean in politics and all this exact issue for like 15 years. Okay. The only one. way. The only way to change a city that has gone to the dogs is like a complete disaster,

like a Hurricane Katrina level event and authoritarian government, period. There's no city I know of that has turned around on like purely democratic means where everyone was respected. Right. purely democratic means because someone will bring up Berlin and you're going to and it's going to be like okay yeah what when when uh gerbils was gulliter or good how pronounce but when he was when he was the leader of Berlin was he in charge or did he have to like listen to a bunch of different people and get votes and city council or was he just in charge and could he clean at Berlin? Did he have 200 pounds she boons like nipping at his heels and telling him what he needs to do. Yeah, I don't, I don't think so. But D.E., American cities are going to be,

American cities can be like that. Really? No. No. Really? No, they can't. No, they can't. For all kinds of reasons. And if you think they can, and you've been listening to this show or me for any length of time, you obviously have heard what I said, but you weren't listening. there's a city in Texas right now that's I think it's half half Hispanic that 4.4 million dollars of their income every year is being sent to Israel. Who's fixing that? Who's fixing that? And if somebody does fix that, maybe someone gets elected and fixes that.

What happens to the next person who gets elected? Do you under, do people not understand the fucking problem here? the problem isn't oh, you know, we have all these special interest groups. Well, yeah, that is part of the problem. Part of the problem is ethnic groups are going to, every ethnic group except whites is allowed to get together and lobby for anything they want. But the main problem is is the fact that you can elect the great, you can elect, I mean, look at Sweden, up into a certain point,

around 1950, early 50s, Sweden was this thriving ethno state that had free markets and they were wealthy as hell. And then what do they do? Well, they decided, well, you know, there are some people who are poor here. So we're going to start a, we're going to have a like a welfare state. Okay, well, people need to be taken care of. but also if you don't police that thing and make sure people who are being taken care of or actually needs to be taken care of, that's going to go off the rails. And then what happened?

They didn't gatekeep. So eventually, they were overrun by friggin savages. Now, they didn't choose for that to happen, but they're not doing anything about it. And I've heard people recently say who've been travel, who've traveled through Europe, that the southern part of Sweden, like Malmo, right over from Copenhagen, is the most dangerous place in Europe. How the fuck does that happen? It happens because my democracy and, you know, entrenched interests and not gatekeeping

and not doing everything, not understanding that order is a, precious thing. And once you lose it, it's the possibility of getting it back is almost impossible. The one group that did that in the 20th century, the whole world declared war on them. So what are your, what do you think you think you're going to take over a city? I'm not talking about like a town. I'm not talking about a city of town. I'm not talking about a city of 25,000 people. You can take over Atlanta? You can take over Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, where all the power comes from? How are you going to do that? How are you going to do that? Oh, well, we're going to read the Battle for Berlin by Joseph Goet. We're going to do

exactly what he... Good luck with that. Good luck with that. Sorry to be a downer. I'm not one of these people who says everything is a black pill. I have an answer. I have answers. I have things that we can do. People don't want, most people don't want to fucking hear them, though, because they've been, I mean, they turn into civic nationalists as soon as you start recommending something that goes, you know, that goes against their programming. Anybody is free to disagree with me and tell me where I'm wrong. I respect you guys. I don't think you're wrong on anything necessarily, Pete. I just trying to be thoughtful and trying to see where the best way to kind of come alongside the discussion is. And I would say that, one, to step back to an earlier point you raised, things were better when we had the availability of extrajudicial discipline, when you could actually take care of your community and you didn't need to rely on air quotes wherever the power was, where the power was firmly in your hands and in your community's hands.

That's when things were better and to kind of address the larger macro point that I, if I'm understanding you correctly, that you're making. What people fail to understand on the whole is that order does not stem from prosperity. Prosperity stems from order. If you cannot have order, then you will not have prosperity. The preponderance of human history, life has been nasty and brutish and short. Only when man decided to take the reins and to actually impose order, do things get better? Does prosperity start to flow from that?

If you expect prosperity to just manifest, I don't know what to tell you, because even the Bible would disagree with that. Even the collected wisdom of the ages would disagree with that. Because as any devout Catholic will tell you, we live in a fallen world. Goodness will not just spring out of nothing. This doesn't, that doesn't happen. So you kind of address your larger point that I, please correct me if I misunderstand you.

But the issue at hand now is we need to establish order in whatever areas we can and form it from there and from thence will prosperity be possible. But even then, it's a long road to it. As regarding the cities, some of the points you raised during the cities, you said that there are people that approach you with, well, that's where the power is. You can't let go of the power in the cities. First off, well, we don't have them already. The power is already out of our hands.

And second off, what power are we talking about? I ask that in good faith and genuine. genuinely. What power are we talking about? They can't, they obviously can't even manage themselves. Or if they do, it's only to the barest degrees. It's a matter of fact, our own illustrious Dark Enlightenment has said countless times, I think literally every city in America is broke. Literally every single one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Dee, but I believe every single one of them is broke. And obviously many to degrees that are just completely, completely unsalvageable. So these things are all just going to collapse under their own weight, either economically,

demographically, what have you. They're all going to collapse under their own. And all of these people, these problems, are going to starve themselves out of existence. So I mean, does that mean we just run away and hide? I'm not necessarily saying that, but I am saying that to your point, that we just have to establish order where we have it and understand that it's it's going to be a long road so you gentlemen can what take the torch really i mean i might be i may be right i might be wrong i might be right or it might be wrong technically speaking i haven't done an analysis of every single city in america but i have looked at you know chicago los angeles the top 20 and every one of them is is in trouble and not doing anything to fix it and you know listen to previous

programs that peter and i have been together about why this is a problem or other programs are done but to charles's point right like i'm not the only person who does this looks at the reads that he leaves and sees this fiscal catastrophe in the future anyone who could read an actual aerial table would know this sort of thing is a problem in the future and they don't do anything about it well why not well the answer is right either as hose says you know the occupant government is more concerned with, you know, what's going on in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem than here. Or, democratically, you know, the population that's in Seattle just doesn't care because they'll be dead then, or they need to get reelected, or they need their free heroin right now in three years. So you know that this is an impending disaster.

Get away from it. Yeah. And people take that. like running away or seating ground. It's like you don't, seeding ground would imply that you have some ground right now politically. What, I'm sorry, what do you have? Was anybody listening to this have?

I guarantee you anyone listening to this who has like political power, has it locally. And that just goes right back to what I was saying. I'm sick and tired. to hearing people, even people that I like and respect. And I love telling me that, oh, no, is you just, you can't see, you can't just run away. Well, first of all, it's not running away. Running away would be, running away implies you're running and doing nothing and just hiding. No, you're going and building. And that's another problem is people don't want to do that.

I mean, people don't want to read a book. You tell people that be like, oh, where'd you get that information? Well, it's in this book. Well, can you, no. read the book. Well, I don't have time to do that. Well, I guess you don't have time to, you know, do what needs to be done in order to survive and thrive either. And I mean, that's not even me being rude or shitting on you. That's me saying that, I mean, something needs to be done about that. You're going to have to figure out a way to do that, a way to free

do something that allows you to survive especially if you have a family if you have a family and you live anywhere near a city right now man God help you I'm sorry Trump's not saving the day

is God help you live within a hundred miles of Atlanta like take the most fuel efficient car you can and be away more than one tank away from from Atlanta because that's your radius of like bad things will happen to you. Yeah, I was in Atlanta. I just went to the airport last week.

In order to drive through the airport, to get to the airport, you have to go through some neighborhoods. These are neighborhoods that you're just like, how can people live like this? and then you realize, oh, the only reason the neighborhoods are like this is because of the people who live there. They prefer that. Yeah, it's not socioeconomic factors. This is the way they want it. Well, it wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for the government, bro.

We just got rid of the government. Everything would be better. You think you want to live in a world where there isn't it even. been like just a little bit of a threat from a state when these people exist, what fuck's wrong with you? I don't get it. I don't get it. I still have on Twitter when I got my account back that I hadn't, that was suspended for two years, there's still a lot of libertarians that follow me from way back in the day. They still think this way. They went through the last five years. years of through COVID and then through the Biden presidency, seeing what was happening, seeing

how the state was just taken out their enemies. And they're like, and, you know, what would be the best, if the state is your enemy, what's the best thing you can do? Well, try to mitigate your, your interactions with them as possible, or maybe set up a plan where you can get your own guys elected. You know, because if the state's a gang, you know, and I think Charlie, Charlemagne had a tweet a few years ago where he said libertarians are completely right.

The state's a bunch of gangsters. What they don't get is that you want to be those gangsters or else you're at their whim. And if you can't do it, And if you're probably not going to be able to do it, you know, on the federal level, but local's sitting right there. A lot of people, a lot of people have gone local and been able to control their town and get things prevented from happening in their town that, you know,

that they didn't want drag queen story hour, books and libraries, yada, whatever. there are answers out there the problem is is you're going to have to do something you're going to have to do something and a lot of people either don't want to do that for ideological reasons or they don't really have the time to do that and i would say that the people who really want to get out of their situation but they don't have the time to because they're working that hard for their family click up with people who are looking to do this. You don't have to be a leader. You don't have to put all your time into it.

But fucking save yourself and save your family. Because, you know, just as there was a, you know, you read in the Old Testament, and then there came a pharaoh who didn't know who Joseph was, well, there's going to come a time when, Donald Trump or whoever, whomever you think is your hero is not going to be in there. And it's going to be someone worse than, you know, put it this way. There's going to be no one standing in the way of the people who are, have been in this managerial state or deep state or whatever you want to call it.

No one was holding them back for four years in 2020 to 2020. The whole time Donald Trump was present the first time, they were in charge, which was worse. It was worse under Biden because somebody was there to actually like stop them from coming and attacking and coming after us. As soon as Biden took, took power, they came after us. What do you think you think it's going to be better than next time? Biden wasn't compass mentis for at least three years of his presidency. What do you think?

What do you think with someone who acted? When AOC is the president in eight years, you think she's going to forget all the people who trolled her on Twitter? Yeah, and I reminded, I told people this on my live stream a few weeks ago, and people were, you know, they don't want to believe me. if you think you're in Anon on Twitter and the state doesn't know who you are, you're retarded. Now, I'd be, you know, what I think you worry more about, people worry more about on Twitter is like some Antifa fucks or something like that, finding out who you are and coming after you. If you're in an Anon, the state knows who you are.

Israel has this freaking Israel has this freaking software where they can docks anybody basically If you're on social media and they want to target you they gotta know who you are So what happens the next time Your enemy gets in charge

You can't delete that account You can delete it But all the data is still there Well Maybe start making your plans now because Trump or somebody to hold them off is not always going to be there. And there are still people who are being targeted, even with Trump being in office. So take that for what you will.

It's not a, people will say it's a black pill. I don't think so. It's reality. You have to figure out the best way to get through in past reality. The best way to deal with reality. I have some ideas. I think I have some answers, but they have to be implemented. And, I mean, I think I've done a fairly decent job so far, but, you know, that's a lot of what the old glory club is about, too.

So, you know, we're not forgetting about the national politics, but it's not the most important thing at this point. Well, I hate to keep repeating this line, but it's nevertheless true, right? like A.A. The one one American spiritual contribution to the world. We'll see what Leo the 14th is capable of. But the first step is admitting you have a problem, right? Like so many people in and out of our thing want to pretend that everything is okay or that things aren't as bad as they are.

Look, our roads looked like the dark side of the moon. I was recently on a major highway outside of a major city. And you would have thought I was on like a dirt. road in like north mississippi with how full of potholes this thing was and until you accept that like certain things are just not going to function in the future you're going to you know and putting your money or your time or your energy into anything that feeds the present system is just a waste of time you know not only is there the what 30 trillion dollars in debt how many trillion hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities are there

How many major banks are actually insolvent when you take a real look at their books? Right. Nina Jankowicz, the, you know, the crazy theater kid lady who was going to be in charge of censorship for the internet. Stormy made this great point on your recent show, Pete. She's not out of power. She just moved locations. I think she's working for the EU now, right? Yeah.

Right. So I'm sure there was like deputy assistant undersecretaries of, of, of, you know, underwater basket weaving that got fired from the Trump administration. You think they didn't find a job at the UN or some NGO the next week, Osoros NGO.

Of course they did. And, you know, no one on the right wants to put their money. They want to make money, right? He'll and Musk wants to make money. The reason he,

you know, joined the Trump administration as much as he did is he realized that like being a chubby nerd with hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars in a world where, you know, electricity's intermittent is only a great way to like have people beat you up and get eaten. And so he likes a world where the like electricity runs and, and, you know, civilization hangs on because then he gets to be a rich dude with lots of cool stuff. But like when there's no electricity, he's from South Africa. when there's no electricity, his Tesla is useless. So he understands the stakes at least. But he's still trying to make money. Tucker Carlson's part of the Swanson TV dinner family fortune. He has real money.

Has he done anything? There's no one in a, on the American right wants to actually win they want to perpetuate the system that has allowed them to be successful and they don't understand that that system by its very nature will eventually eat them and their kids

and everything else that matters so you can't depend on them and you got to build outside of it right I like Victor Orban quite a bit I think he's probably one of the best leaders in the world right now. But Rod Dreher, the traitorous scumbag, American conservative, was given a job at the Danube Institute and given a spot in his country by Victor Orban. You know, Victor Orban should know better. He should know that Roder is scum.

He should know that Roderer is a coward and untrustworthy. But he doesn't. because he's conservative. And that's the problem. It's like until, until like somebody like Thomas is given a job at a think tank, you can't trust think tanks. Because they,

they want to maintain the system that has put them in a position where they have a cool office in downtown D.C. A couple blocks in the capital. You know? Cato has a really nice building in Washington, D.C. It's huge. It takes up like half a city block. Why would Cato tell the truth about anything?

Yeah, that's one of the biggest, one of the biggest issues that we have is, is that the capture when people who could, you know, formerly or could do a great job of exposing the things that need to be exposed, they start getting a paycheck. You start having, you know, more money than they've ever had, possibly. and they're just, they have to do, you know, and then you have to take into account the people who, you know, run those. Glenn Lowry was a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and he was, he got a two-paragraph email saying that he no longer worked at the Manhattan Institute.

and why? Because he said that what was happening in Gaza was a crime. It was a war crime, was genocide. Who runs that, who runs a Manhattan Institute? Who finds that Manhattan Institute? Paul Singer, who's on the board? Bill Crystal.

I mean... And the Manhattan Institute is one of the better ones out there because the ones who hire Heather McDonald's And they'll admit that, you know, like sometimes Negroes are just dumb. That's not like they're edgy for saying that. This is not, this is not the reason foundation or heritage or AEI or anything like that. This is the Manhattan Institute. They're edgy.

They, they'll talk to Ann Coulter and Heather McDonald. They'll publish life at the bottom. I don't remember. Who said it was Eddie? No, it was a British guy who was a psychiatrist. who, anyway, like, they're among the better establishment think tanks in America. But, you know, sovereign is he who decides the exception, right? And Glennon Lowry walked up to the sovereign and said, nah, fam,

and then he found out who was in charge real quick. Yeah, I mean, I remember Chris Rufo in At an Institute. he wrote an article about Charleroy, Pennsylvania. And in that article, he mentioned that the group that was showing up the that helped all those Haitians get in there to take over the town, basically, was part of Jewish Family Services. And when that article came out, I was kind of shocked. I was like, this is weird.

but then what happened a week later? Something that never happened before. Chris Rufo went on Twitter and started talking about how much of a problem anti-Semitism was on the right. We need our own think tanks. You know, need our own everything. Because if not, I mean, what happens? You get, you, inevitably people are going to be,

in the hierarchical structure, they're going to be under somebody who is going to tell them, well, you can't say that. You can't tell the truth. You can't, you're not allowed to mention highest. You're not allowed to mention JFS. You can't say those things. And that just basically you're, you know, what happens? your credibility after that. I choose to censor myself sometimes, but I do it to myself,

and I do it for what I think are strategic reasons. I could be wrong, but I do it out of strategy, because I think I'm playing a game. I think this goes way beyond waking some people up on Twitter and sometimes there are things that I shouldn't say. Maybe I should just say everything, but it's what I think. It's how I, but no one's telling me to do that. I'm doing it myself. I'm doing it myself. And I'm doing it for a reason.

I'm not doing it because of a paycheck. And I'm not doing it because someone's telling me not to. people want to believe that they have quote unquote right wing based right wing leadership out there who are willing to talk about how men are really men and women or women and they may even have some roles you know their role their roles that only men should have and only women should have so based but they're not willing to talk about how society even got to the point where you had to have that conversation, where you have to say something so obvious and who might be responsible for it and where that comes from. And the fact that

there's a history of it. It doesn't go back 50 years, but it goes back centuries. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think saying these things is brave. I think saying these things is just, you know, you want to speak the truth and you want people to know. know and you know you want people to be able to if enough people have the truth and know exactly how the game is being played and what they're up against then they can make their own decisions about the best way to going forward and if they want help with that you know they all they have to do is ask well that the most important thing that you can do for yourself right now right isn't get another argument on Twitter.

It isn't going to prove how based you are in group chat. It's positioned yourself to be better off no matter what. Like if Donald Trump, like hypothetically, right,

becomes an article to president tomorrow and just starts deporting tens of thousands of people per day, gets the courts in order, ends, you know, DEI and affirmative action and does

repeals Griggs v. Power, whatever, you know, pie in this guy thing that you want to say he was doing and you're upset with him because he hasn't done that thing, right? Well, okay. How'd you take advantage of it? What would you do? Donald Trump did everything you wanted.

What would you do to take advantage of it? Contrastly, if Kamala Harris was in president right now and was like literally hunting down people for mean tweets, which, let's be honest. She would be. What would you do? I think a lot of those things would be the same. You'd get out of debt.

You'd, you know, get some skills. You'd, you know, whatever it is that you're doing, you'd find some bros, you'd work out. I mean, whatever it is that you're doing that's good, do that. You know, be outcome independent of who's in charge in Washington. Because right now, anywhere in America, if 10 guys show up to a school board meeting and complain about the same thing, if you have 10 bros, so 11 of you walk into the school board meeting, everyone's dressed, dressed, you know, respectively, but not like obviously wearing a uniform. You sit in a bunch of different spots, so you don't all sitting together. And you complain about the same thing.

the people who are in the school board are going to feel like that's a hundred people or a thousand people that are upset about that particular thing it might just be you and your 10 bros that are upset about that one thing but they're going to think that you know thousands of people are mad about this because because 10 people bother to show up and complain get to the point where you have 10 bros that will show up to the you know school board meeting on a Thursday night at 6 o'clock and then then you can actually accomplish some stuff. You know, put an addition on your house,

having 10 bros show up there with framing hammers, you can knock that bad boy out in a day. Buy a couple of pizzas, get a couple of beers, a couple sixers of beer, have a bro's show up and help you out. Knock out the framing on that edition. One Saturday, done. Get into a position where the regime can't hurt you.

And if it tries, you have friends that will help you out. anybody got comments I personally think that just real quick there needs to just obviously be a like 1,000 flowers like bloom type of approach where people are just going to have to

rely on their strengths and some people will absolutely dominate with regards to political organization at the local level and then some people may are unfortunately going to have to be stuck in cities, but like get skills, make money and then use those resources to buy land and build networks. But the one thing that people have to avoid is becoming another atomized individual whose whole life is marked by mindless consumerism. People need to break the cycle of atomization and de rassanization and start building communities. networking with people because these are the most valuable assets you could have in this

society marked by just like nihilism and just loneliness so people need to just deal um work with the hand that's been dealt with that to them and just go from there this is going to be a reconquista a long slog but you have to have like sight of the bigger picture yeah i would co-sign everything you just said Jose absolutely it's a long slug It's a Rekongkista, as we said earlier. And I would also add to kind of tie up a few of the threads that all of us have mentioned. Even indeed talking about 10 bros, just get together for this. Look what you can accomplish in just a day.

I mean, I remember when I did that, I had a whole deck done in a Saturday afternoon. But I mean, even if you don't want to take that far, if you don't want to look that far ahead or take that large an effort upon yourself, start small. that book that Pete said, read that, go to the gym. When was the last time you went to the gym? Hell, when was the last time you walked around to park? Okay, when was the last time you threw a punch? When was the last time you hit a bag, a speed bag, a heavy bag, anything?

Whereas Jose said, stop being atomized. When's the last time you called a friend instead of a friend calling you? I'm not saying you have to conquer the whole world. I'm not saying you have to retake Portland. Just stop being atomized and start moving towards something beyond your cell phone screen, something beyond your internet connection. You don't have to conquer the world. Just take a few steps in the right direction.

They can be small. When I, to go back to a point you raised earlier, Pete, when we were fortunate enough to get Trump in in 2016, what did I do? Got together some friends and bought land, bought bullets. bought firearms, started going to the gym again hard. Now, I'm never going to be 22 again. Obviously, that's just not going to happen. It's impossible. But you know what?

I could not. I don't have to be. I don't have to be a fat, slob, 50-something-year-old guy that doesn't know what the inside of a gym looks like or hasn't lifted a weight in 20 years. I can control that. I can't roll back the clock, but I can control that. What did I do?

I made use of the time. Did I make mistakes? Sure I did. Pete and I were just talking. I didn't pick the best ground to try and grow things on. Okay. All right. I faltered. But I still moved in a direction. And what I have discovered over the course of my life is it's a lot easier to change direction than it is to gain momentum, than it is to start moving. So just start moving and then change directions as necessary. That's my piece on that, gentlemen. Yeah, I realize that a lot of people tune into these episodes for to hear us rag on this regime,

the controllers of the regime, you know, minorities, yada, yada, all crime, whatever. Sorry, going to need an episode every once in a while you're going to have to start looking in the mirror. I know people don't want to hear that. I know it hurts when I'm confronted, when I have someone confront me about something, you know, probably normally my wife, I don't want to hear it.

But, you know, self-examination is, it's really important. And it's what mature people do. And it's what people who, responsibility is how do you even start to call yourself a right wing if you're not a responsible human to yourself and to your family. It just does make any sense. So, you know, I apologize for making this about, if you're listening to this and I made it

about you or you think I'm talking to you, my apologies. But I need to hear it every once in a while. and so does everybody. And I hope a lot of it made sense because, you know, I have a tendency to ramble and stumble over my words sometimes. I understand that. I understand that I, you know, I understand that I stutter.

It's funny when people point that out and they think that I don't know. Yeah, I have a tendency to do that. It's okay. You're my favorite stuttering retarded, Pete. That's a stuttering prick. I think you make a very good point. And the point isn't that, you know, oh, woe is me, we're all going to lose and everything that's going to go down and, you know, fire and brimstone.

With all that in mind, right, but the system rate against the judicial system being a joke, the deep state, whatever thing you took away from this evening, let that be a lesson to you that whatever comes next, can't let this happen again. right if Donald Trump manages to fix everything great but also remember like there was this one judge in like you know federal district court that like totally destroyed like nearly destroyed the Trump presidency you know the North Carolina senator who should know better right didn't try to fix it why not okay well that's the you know to the extent that options are are fixable or things are fixable right use this conversation to give you ideas about how to fix things and to the extent that things aren't fixable uses this conversation to you know like charles said you know it's much easier to

change direction than build momentum so take the whatever momentum you've got and channel it in a in a productive direction if if you know the politics side isn't working you know go to the community building side of things build your business save some money do whatever it is that you need to do that keeps that momentum up. Anyone else got some closing comments? We'll keep this one at a decent length. We have a tendency to make everyone almost go two hours. Jose, you got any closing anything to say?

I just want to reiterate the importance of people just starting to build networks in whichever way possible. It's not going to be a uniform strategy. And I also would advise them to just look at history to read up on not just historical political movements, but also within kind of like the nationalist right, Natsalk movements and all that to just ensure that they're not repeating mistakes of the past. And then also seeing like if they can find moderate successes and try to implement them or replicate them or even update them to the current context. I think that's very important. That's like the more most productive work you could do and contribute whichever way you can. You don't have to be an activist.

You could be like a donor. You could be somebody that provides infrastructure. But the very important thing is that people start connecting and building these networks because that's what ultimately wins because politics is at the end of the day about interconnected human relations. But what I wanted to add to what Jose was just talking about, where multiple things. When it comes to the old glory club, if you start a chapter, there are some rules that you have to follow, but you can, you know, chapters in different areas.

Different areas are having different issues. That's the way you deal with it. You figure out what you need will help you all you can, if you ask. But, you know, we have chapters right now that are just, Alabama chapter is off on its own. we're doing our own thing and it's fantastic and i know the montana chapter is the same way these guys are just killing it doing two different two totally different things but just concentrating on what's most important in their area because that's what you can control at this point and uh this was most important because that's where you live yeah the overwhelming majority of people you know 99 more than 99%

of people closer to 100% of people are never going to have an interaction with a federal agent. You have to concentrate on your local area. That's what's most important. So I just want to say a couple things very briefly and then I'll let Dee say his piece. But briefly, I recall calling you actually Pete when I was leaving the doctor's office one day because you had said something at the end of the program and forgive me if I get it wrong slightly or if I accidentally put words in your mouth. But I recall I contacted you and I said, hey, Pete, I just want to say on the side that I respect you a great deal as a fighter and for all you do and that I really felt a kinship with you. You may recall this voice message that I sent you.

And I said that you do this basically to cut to the chase out of love. And I said, I feel very much the same way. And I said that that's one of the reasons that I really appreciate you, you having me on. And I was happy to learn that we had that one thing in common. I think we have other things in common, but I think that's the most important thing. So that being said, that being my segue to my point here, I'm going to put words in your mouth and I forgive me if they're wrong.

But gentlemen, if you're still listening to me, I would say this, Nothing Pete said today was a black pill. What you have to understand that is, is that's just cold water on your face. He's not trying to demoralize you. He's trying to get you to wake up a little bit, get you to see that there are some issues. It's not, nobody is kicking you when you're down. Nobody is saying, you know, you just got a man up. None of that nonsense.

We're just saying that you have to see the world for what it is. We're saying that you have to understand the world you live in. and that you have to take appropriate measures to get yourself out of trouble because we can't do it for you. We shouldn't do it for you, frankly, because it's just part of growing up. It's part of living. It's part of learning. It's part of maturing.

But that is what I, that's what I'm here to do. And I suspect that's what Pete's here to do today. Just some cold water in the face, but also that hopeful reminder that there are other men out there that are here whenever you need help and just really. reach out. Don't be atomized like Jose had said. Learn to reach out. Learn to talk to each other. I'm not saying become a charity case, but try and carry yourself as much as you can. And when you need help, seek it and seek it. So thank you very much for having me on Pete. And I wish all your listeners the best. Of course, Charles. This show isn't thought crime's sending to get without you.

So, um, D.E. You have anything you want to finish with or, um, just my usual, you know, free man beyond the wall slash donate. Go to go to Jose Substack. Subscribe to American Free Press by Charles's books. Dream just didn't get the olicism, you know, check out my program on fundamental principle. You know, just support the people to support you.

And, uh, thank you so much for having me again, Pete. It's always a pleasure. You are welcome. are the thought crime syndicate and without when one of us is gone it seems like there's a piece of us is missing so yeah thank you guys for being able to do this i appreciate it