The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1219: On the Qatari Question w/ Bird from Timeline Earth

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

98 MinutesPG-13Bird is one of the hosts of the Timeline Earth podcast.Bird joins Pete to talk about the "Qatari" Question and how deep it goes.Timeline Earth PodcastPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on Twitter

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Head on over to freeman beyond the wall.com forward slash support and do it there. Thank you. So is it true that nothing ever happens? I don't know anymore. It seems like Donald Trump made things happen for an hour, one or two hours of time, and now there's nothing ever happens. happens again. Do you think there's anything hiding in the background that we, you know, being done

in the background that we just don't know about or, you know, is that cope as the, as the kids like to say today? I think there's a lot, yeah, I think there's a lot, a lot being done in the background, that's for sure. I'm getting word from some, actually you're in the chat. You know, I'm getting word from one of my friends that a guy who works in the Air Force just got called up to be ready for anything in case this Iran negotiation falls. through. This sounds like there's a lot going on in the background. We're not allowed to talk about.

Well, I mean, do you think that obviously there are competing factions in our government? I mean, when I look at like, I was mentioning today that maybe we can talk about this is Ukraine tried to assassinate Putin today. Apparently he was in a helicopter flying to the course gris and they sent drones that they sent drones at the helicopter and they were able to shoot them all down but um you know some got pretty close and one thing that i know about russia is that Putin is not Putin's not a hardliner compared to some of the people in that government there are people in that government who if they decide to and this would be very russian historically, I mean,

historically you've seen this, Putin will get a bullet and they'll tell us that, you know, Putin had a heart attack and he died, and a hardliner will takeover. Yeah, I'm not wondering what the, I don't understand the point of assassinating Putin. I never have.

Do they imagine that would wind down the war, the need, the desire for war? No, my opinion is, is that, that the people who are doing, the people who are running this are the EU, city of London, World Economic Forum, and certain ethnic groups within, that are still within our government, and still have power in the United States. So this is what they want. They want this war to go on.

They want, they, I think they know that if Putin, if they were to kill Putin, the hardliners in Russia will just accelerate this. And I don't think they care who wins this. They just want these people to kill each other. That's basically that's what they've been saying since the beginning of this war. I have a book around here who has some quotes that were floating around in the beginning. And one of them was, I mean, it's like this is great. You know, we can just basically use Ukrainians to take out Russians.

And, you know, that's the whole purpose of this war is in. my opinion and in the opinion of many others is to get them to kill each other the the thing that you're you're saying the purpose of the war as it's being waged from the perspective of the groups you just named yes is to get is to escalate this now whether they want a nuclear they want they want one side or the other to go nuclear which would probably be russia that is to be that that you can only speculate upon that but i mean i think these people are insane enough that they would they would see that as some kind of win as some kind of oh look we've proved the russians are they're so bloodthirsty that they need to be destroyed and they also get to

kill some christians in ukraine at the same time so i mean why not i'm so i'm with you there and I'll tell you something. In doing TLE, we cover the news. And I have determined and determined long ago that the whole subject of the, the, I don't even know, what are we calling it? The war in Ukraine? What are we calling it? What's the official name for what we're actually,

the military action that Russia is performing in Ukraine? Special military operation. Special military operations. That sounds right. The Don Bass scenario. Yeah, that kind of shit. You determine it's not news. It's not news.

And because of that, I kind of sat back on it and haven't paid too much attention until the connection was made for me that, from where I see the whole, the coalition of the willing thing was the thing that kind of perked my eyes back up because it was so stupid. of an idea. It could never have worked. The idea that people were riding with that somehow the United States would distance itself from this conflict and its client states, the EU and France and maybe Germany would pick it up and deal with it. It was a stupidest thing I'd ever heard. And I determined that it was none of it was so bluster because all three of the people involved in that, that being, um, Stormer and Macron, and is it Schultz? Well, they all, I mean, the whole government in Germany has terrible, terrible support. All of them are in dramatic lows in their public support. And my view of the continuation of this war, especially that latter phase when Trump came in and these, quote, negotiations began, was that all of the bluster was just to preserve their domestic. support in their individual various countries. So I never actually thought about the external reasoning for why the war would need to continue. Now, you tell me it's because they want the two groups to

kill one another. And forgive me if this is something you've covered on your show a lot, but seriously, I almost religiously avoid this type of news because I don't find it so uninteresting. But now I'm interested because we're talking about it. What is the external reasoning beyond them killing one another like where does the money lead to what what what's the who benefits i mean who benefits from this okay so after the fall of the soviet union are you um how's your uh 1990s russian history you're i've no knowledge but for again you know what your listeners have been listening to so you can spare them whatever details you've said oh and thisly i'll follow along yeah i'll just do a quick outline um basically the all the old the old the

These oligarchs took over. These oligarchs were beholden to the West. Most of these oligarchs were also just also so happened to be part of an ethnic, an ethnic group. And they sought to bleed Russia dry and to kill them. When you say ethnic group, you mean the Qataris, right? I'm talking about, I'm definitely talking about the Qataris. So, yeah. So did you get your check yet?

Did your check come in yet? Because mine hasn't shown up yet. I see it in my account for like two weeks now and it hasn't cleared yet. So I'm wondering. Just like an Arab. Yeah, yeah, it's real bad. But they basically sought to destroy the country. And like one of the figures that Scott Horton talks about all the time is like the, the average life span of a male dropped by 12 years.

because it was a time when we couldn't get good food. It was dangerous in the country. And basically, it had become, it was really like a one of those colonies where everything that you have that it's like a lot of people would describe an African nation when Westerners go in there and they just start raping the resources and pulling all. them all out of the, uh, pulling them all out of the country and you just pay a very, very small group that has power within the country to allow you to do this, but they're, they know that they're going to. It's pretty much what happened. So Putin come, Putin comes in and he puts a stop to that.

There's actually video footage of him going into these large companies and going, this is what you're going to do now. This is, I mean, like forcefully telling them everything has changed and now you're working for your country again. And they don't like that because that means they lost. That means that somebody defeated them. And they've been trying to basically destroy him and he's been literally Hitler or the second Hitler, whatever, ever since. So, you know, they, another thing is, is they have taken over Ukraine.

Ukraine is very resource rich, black soil. Also, accusations, I'm not going to say. of vast human trafficking. Hearing numbers that, you know, blonde hair, blue-eyed slaves go for 50 to 100,000 on the open market. And, you know, they had a good thing going. Burisma, American sending their kids over there to have no-show jobs and to collect, you know, $100,000 a month. Uh-huh. Okay.

Well, Putin invading. And, you know, and while they're doing this, they're killing ethnic Russians. who live in the east of the country. And Putin had a lot more self-control than I did. That's when he decided to go in there and put a stop to this. But I think he, from the beginning, thought that this was going to be sort of a cakewalk. I don't think he counted on basically all of Europe supporting, turning around to support Ukraine, including the United States, including United States operators who have gone over there

and died fighting against Russians. There's another theory that Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson has put out. Odessa has the city of Odessa, a place in that area, has more Qatari mosques than any, than like all of Qatar put together. You understand what I'm saying? Okay. Of course.

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Ask in store for details. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Let the listener understand. And they were looking for another place in the world to call their own. And Dr. Matthew Raphael-Johnson calls it the new Kataria. Okay. Let's call it that. It would be the new Kataria.

and they didn't think they thought that this would, you know, if Putin did this, that it would be easy to defeat him. And this thing has been going on for a while now. And I think they may have been given up on the new Kataria, but who knows if, but they're, I think they're very happy to see Christians on one side, killing Christians on another side. And, you know, that's probably over a million total from both sides. And I think they, what they think is, is if they escalate, if this can be escalated, if they can, if they can, you know, assassinate Putin, then the, you know, the hardliners are going to do something to initiate that the world will not be able to put up with. And they'll have to put a stop to this. And then they can get what they want again. They get a weaker Russia, which is what they want so that they can go in there and continue the raping that they started in the 1990s. and they also get Ukraine, which, you know, the only thing that was standing in the way of having Ukraine was the fact that there was all these ethnic Russians that were in there and that Putin had controlled certain ports within the country. So that's what, that's how I see, this is my interpretation.

If someone asked me to sit down and give them my explanation as to what's happening and why this is happening, and the forces behind it, then, you know, that's what I would say. And that's what makes it, that's what makes it interesting to me. That's why I, I see it as news because it could also, because this is something that I think could very easily escalate to, I'm not saying intercontinental ballistics. I'm talking about, you know, some localized nuclear, you know, nuclear targets to basically say back,

the hell off. And I don't think that these people will back the hell off. I think that they would push it as far as they can. And if those nukes were to drop, then you would have the whole world as they've done before to try and destroy, to basically destroy one country, would come together and seek to destroy Russia forever. Now, I'm not under the impression that Donald Trump's actually interested in ending the war, but I wonder what your opinion is on why he's in such a hostile stance towards Zelensky in that regime. Is he out of step with this plan, or is this part of the plan? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think, I have a tendency to what I think is happening is the same thing that's happening in Russia and happening in a lot of

other different countries is that you have differing elite factions who are struggling to get him to do what they want. Some weeks, it seems like the faction that is more pro-technology and pro-America and pro-and I'm not saying pro-America because they love Americans, but they love what they get when America is prosperous on its own. I think those people are trying to get him to tell Netanyahu to go screw himself and to try to get him to disconnect from Ukraine. And, And their enemy, this group's enemy, seems to be China. So to more do like a Pacific pivot so that you're looking over there. And then you have the old ethnic factions that are wanting to have war with Iran.

And, you know, you know the politicians that they own, your Lindsay Graham's and your Tom Cotton's, people like that. And then you have, you know, there's another faction that is, I think, is just completely technical. technology based. And they just, they're like, look, we just want the rains taken off. We don't care about Israel. We actually do business in Israel. We don't care about Russia. We actually do business in Russia. China, we'd like to have a better relationship with because we do make a lot of money there. And I think those guys are, they actually get some wins here along the way. I think that's a lot of what Doge was. But I also think Doge was the previous group, or the first group I talked about too. And what I would think is if Donald Trump didn't have all of these

warring factors, people like to call Donald Trump a Qatarist. Yes, yeah, which I waver on. Yeah. And I don't think that he is. I think he is somebody who likes Qatar. He likes Qatar existing. He likes Qatar. He even likes the Katar-Nick party. But he doesn't like, you know, the main guy. The main, which is what I wonder, how is that guy even still in power? Well, I mean, if you, I think the way he's in power is one, he has a, you know, he has the military behind him. And he probably more than the military, he probably has this intelligence forces behind him. But I think that he also has scared enough of his, basically, there's this whole history of fear mongering that goes back in more than 2,000 years.

But, you know, especially the last 2,000 years of everybody wants to kill us. Everybody, everybody, everybody's jealous of us and wants to kill us. And, you know, they hate us. You know, we're special boys and everything like that. That classic Qatari paranoiac narcissism. Yeah. And so I think that, you know, he has a lot of those people on his side, but there's also people in Qatar who don't like him. And they want him gone.

And there's people in this country. There's Qataris in this country who want him gone. And there's Qataris in this country who will do anything to support him. So, you know, this is a lot more complicated than a lot of the, A lot of the people on Twitter who, if you disagree with them, they run around just telling you, say, oh, you have to be Qatari. Yeah, the amphibians. Yeah. They tell you your Qatari. This is a lot more, there's a lot more at play here.

So it makes it very easy to just run around and say anyone who disagrees what you, you just call them a Qatari. Well, Mexicans can have a low IQ on occasion. So sometimes you have to. Yeah. Well, you know, so. You get a word, you have. Push him a lot. You not only have Qatar, you not only have their occupation of Washington, D.C. and their insane lobby here, but you also have, they control the city of London, and they have a lot of, throughout the EU, they have a lot of influence. I'm not saying they have all the influence. I'm saying that they control a lot of influence because they control a lot of wealth. And I also think they have a lot of information on people.

Right. I don't like the cosmic Qatariism. Certainly you see crop up in the amphibians. But, yeah, it certainly is one of the major power factions because of its capital, its ability to move capital. Well, also, it's information. I mean, you know, we had an ethnic Qatari in this country that was running a, you know, a child, a child sex trafficking ring. you know, who apparently killed himself in prison, killed himself in a Manhattan show. Well, that's what Dan Bongino says,

and so that's what I believe. He says that he just killed himself, right? Yeah, just committed suicide, yeah. Yeah, the very, and of course, the very trustworthy, Anoush Patak, what's the guy's name? I don't even remember the guy's name. I honestly don't remember the, yeah, sure. That might as well be his name.

That's probably not his name. The motel magnet. It's absurd. I think this is so convoluted, which is why I've taken to saying this isn't going to, you can't fix this. The only thing you can do is you can hope that in some, this is all coming down one of these days. Now, you know, as Thomas says, it could be 100, 150 years from now. This could go on for another 150 years. There were people who were saying Rome was falling 100 to 150 years before it fell.

But it kept going. It kept going. Right. And so this is going to fall one day, but it's not going to be tomorrow. And that means you have to survive. And that means you also have to provide for the people. And you have to set up the people who come after you. So you want things to be at least a little bit better, which is why my big concentration is

listening to people like Tom Luongo, who talks about things. or improving financially so that you can gather wealth to yourself, help people that you know gather wealth to themselves so that they can survive this. And we can go into the future, you know, equipped what the things will need when things get bad and they will get bad. I mean, I honestly think that there is, there will be civil war in the future in this country. I don't think it's going to be this vast civil war where the law.

whole country is fighting with each other. I think it's going to be certain parts. There'll be different locations. But I mean, I just think that's inevitable because, you know, the left will, if Trump does not destroy all of our enemies, and that's completely assuming he's not our enemy, then if he doesn't destroy all of our enemies on the left or regime, you know, people who are down with what the regime has been for the last, you know, 100 years, then they will be back in power one day. And when they get back in power one day, if you think they targeted Catholics for praying outside of abortion clinics and putting people in jail for, you know, a decade, trying to put people in jail for a decade for, you know, touring the Capitol

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Ask in store for details. And so like, okay, so my, and my final question on this is we can move on or we can keep going because it is, it is interesting, but. You're doing a really good job of being America's greatest newsman because you're asking me questions. You've actually come on here and you're just asking questions to me, which is what, you know, the world's greatest newsman would do. That's what I do best.

Yeah. I'm also one of the world's greatest interviewers, as far as I understand. So they say, Berto, you're so good at asking basic questions. And I usually like to nod and say, thank you. It's a talent that I have. The only thing that I really don't understand now that you've laid it out, and I think your case makes perfect sense to me, but why are, why is America's attention being split between what's going to?

going on in Ukraine and what's going on in Gaza. If it's a related faction that's behind the continuation of both things or the completion of one, I think they want to complete the Gaza thing at this point. Maybe they don't. That's, you can tell me. But why would they split America's attention in this way when, don't you think it would be more effective to hold off on one and allow for the other, or are both concurrently occurring? Is that intentional? Well, if they can do both at the same time while making people believe that they're completely unrelated, if people thought, and when I say people, I'm talking about, you know, elites, people who have the power to actually change things.

and, you know, I mean, I know people who study both of these conflicts who don't see that they're related, who think that they're completely separated from each other, which I don't. But if you can convince people that they're completely unrelated and you have going back and forth, then you have them going back and forth between one and the other, first of all, it keeps you off kilter. It keeps you, it takes you off of your center. And second of all, it makes you feel like you're either to choose one or the other, or choose none of them. But the one that they've,

I think they've given up on trying to convince most Americans that Putin and Ukraine is the most important one. So they have to basically, they basically have to say, well, you know, they can use October 7th as a rallying cry as a sort of proxy 9-11 to be like, wow, those are, that's, that's, that Qatar is our greatest ally. Right. And, you know, they went over there and, and, and they raped babies and they bayoneted babies.

And, you know, they had a human, they had them and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, they turned them into food and cooked them in ovens and everything. Yeah. And they ate them. Yeah.

That seems to me that the one you're going to push harder because then you can, the propaganda can work on more people. Now, I don't think, I think they've got. But you see how the left and the right in America are sort of separated in their support of one or the other. And when I say right, you know what I mean by that. I'm not talking about our people. I'm talking about people who occupy the space called the right. They swear that they're on the right. And it does seem like that group wants to wrap up on this Ukraine conflict, and then it seems like the people on the left want to wrap up on the Gaza conflict.

Instead of the magnifying lens focusing the two beams of light into one thing, it seems like it's splitting America's support, which doesn't seem like a wise Qatari strategy. I get what you're saying that they don't associate them with one another, but it does seem like one of those operations is certainly going to fail in the near future, I think, which is what's going on in Ukraine. And the other one may succeed. What's going on in Gaza may succeed because Trump seems to be down with it. But why would they split the attention? Or I should say, why wouldn't they make them one thing so as to unify that left and right? I think people have a more emotional tie to Qatar than they do to Russia and Ukraine. Because that's what we basically have. People beyond Qataris in the United States. Yeah, I agree with that.

Kataris have made some of people's favorite music, favorite movies, run Hollywood, you know, shows like Seinfeld where you have an ethnic Qatari. They gave us E.T. Yeah, you know, so you, you know, you basically have done a really good job of convincing people that, you know, these, these Qataris over here, you know, they're, they're the good people. Now, since Qatar took over, there were so many Qataris in education and in academia, you know, famously in 19, it was 1968, I was reading in the book, a Harold Saltzman book, he said that there were 60,000. and public school teachers in New York, and 60% of them were ethnic Qataris. So they've had control of education for a very long time,

and unfortunately, what a lot of them have done is, is they've pushed a very liberal, leftist kind of world view out there. You know, white people are oppressors, white people are colonizers, and the right people who are inclined to the right, they look at that and they go, that's bullshit. But people on the left are like, yes, yes, these people are colonizers. Just look at South Africa. Look what they did in South Africa.

Yeah. And then they basically have what they didn't count on was, you know, they look at Qatar and they see that, oh, wow, these Qataris seem to be doing the same thing to the Palestinians that, you know, that the South Africans did to the blacks down there. So they're equally as bad. You had such a good tweet about that. And I'm sure you know which one I'm referring to.

Can you dispel this myth? Because I was under the impression. What you were talking about was a valid comparison. The comparison of what is going on to the Gazans with what was going on to the South Africans. Why is that not a valid comparison? It's not a valid comparison because when the South Africa, when the Dutch and the white Europeans moved to South Africa, there were no blacks there. And the few blacks that were there were, they just lived there. And you saw the Coisan blacks.

And you saw Malema and his people being interviewed and going, well, the boars came here and they colonized this land. and then the guy goes, you mean Bantu land? And he goes, no, no, the Kaisan. But South Africa is a Bantu country. So it's funny how they sort of just, they don't care about the Kauaisan either. This is just part of the line is it's really just anti-white. They don't, they've never thought about the Kaisan.

They're like trees to those people. Right. So, you know, the whites, the whites basically started to, South African whites started to import, and allow blacks from the outside to move into South Africa, and they employed them. And that's different than this myth that the Qataris sell that, oh, a land without a people for a people without a land.

When the Qataris started moving to Qatar, they displaced a people, $750,000 in one year. and then they kept a small group there around them, in my personal opinion, because the Qataris are a people who always have to be seen as the victim. That's one of their powers is that they always have to be seen as the victim. That's part of the dialectic that they set up in those universities like you're talking about.

Correct. And so if you keep these people around and you abuse them, them every once in a while they're going to fight back. And you can go look. Look, these terrible people, they came and we came to this land where no one was there and they just swarmed in. And, you know, they started, you know, and so they're basically by comparing, when you try to compare the Palestinians to the South Africans, no, the South, you know, and then you'll have to go through, then, you know, if you want to talk about South Africa and how it's not a good comparison, you'll have to talk about apartheid. And was apartheid a great system? You kind of, yeah,

it kind of worked. Were there abuses? Yeah, there are always abuses. Were there terrorists among the blacks? Yes, there were. Why? Then you have to ask, well, why did apartheid get set up in the first place? Okay, well, maybe they realized that they couldn't live, they couldn't live completely as equals with these people. Okay? illegal immigrant ban to, yeah. Yeah. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th

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I think that's all bullshit. I think, you know, you, you take everything for, you take everything for what it is. War is, war is in our, it's a part of us. It's not going away ever. That's why one of the, one of the reasons why people have, people have this, this reaction to war is because, oh, it's like the end of history. What, you know, liberalism won. Why are we even having war?

How could a country invade their neighbor? It's like, well, I mean, that's called history. It's called humanity. It's called what we do, what we've been doing forever. But, you know, it's not the same thing as if, you know, people come from, you know, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 miles away and just take over a land. And I'm not even saying that that's bad. I'm just saying that if you're going to do that, don't keep any of them around.

or expect that their relatives or their co-ethics or their co-religionists, if they're around the area, they're probably not going to be happy about what you just did to them, even if they don't like them. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, I'm beyond the post-colonial dialectic, one of the issues is that whenever, as an American, one of the issues is that whenever something bad happens over there, the people who had happened to come here. So, I mean, at a very basic level, I'm opposed to ethnic conflicts in other countries, colonialism, because as the world's number one greatest power, highest wealth, people come here.

So I mean, even at a very basic nationalist level, I think it's totally unacceptable, especially totally unacceptable that anything happens in the world that doesn't go through us, which the current leader of the Qataris seems to be very happy with doing what he pleases. and then allowing us to clean up after him. And the GOP is happy to follow behind him and suck his crap up from the ground. Yeah, and I also, you know, as an American, someone who was born American,

someone who doesn't consider themselves anything other than American, I really, you know, Qatar is not a country that I should even be aware of. You shouldn't even be on my radar. you know, much like South Africa shouldn't be on my radar. Yeah. I mean, these are not, they have nothing. Sure, maybe we can trade with them.

Maybe, you know, maybe we can, you know, it's like, hey, we're going to do the sale. We're going to, our merchant ships are going to go around the Cape down there. Can, you know, can we do some kind of deal where you make sure that no savages come out? You know, stuff like that. That's how you would know that, you know, Qatar exists or South, South, Africa exists. The problem is, is that, you know, after the Second World War, we got globalism, where it was everything, you know, we got occupation. We got, you know, countries, historically white European countries are not allowed to be white and European anymore. And if they

are white and European, they have to be socially engineered out of, out of whatever their historic, whatever their history is. And then if they, if they, if they fight back against that, well, we're going to flood their country with, we're going to open the mental asylums in Africa and the Middle East and we're going to flood their country with military age men who are, you know, who are not a part and will never be a part of the culture. And, yeah, I mean, the Targi plan. Yeah. All right, that's great.

Break the fourth wall for a second. But yeah, so the people who try to make this like simple, oh, the Qataris, this is all about the Qataris. Yeah, you know, here and there, you know, there are some that are, but there are more than, there are many thousands upon thousands of white, Europeans, non-Kataris that are willing to work with them. Who deserve... Yeah, they hate the other side more. Deserve just as much of the blame as the Qataris do. Sure, we need to know who may be pulling the strings here and there,

where the influence came from, where this, all of that. Sure. But it's more important to know what the organization is, and it's more important to know who... it's more important to know where they're operating and how they're operating. You know, you want to, at this point, if they were to kill Putin today, if that assassination went through, I don't, if I was president of the United States, and that meant that there was a full on basically, and I'm not even discounting this right now.

if I was president of the United States, I would be making plans to invade mainland Europe and destroy the EU once and for all, destroy the WEF, and destroy the city of London. As far as I understand, isn't that what Jerome Powell is trying to do? Well, he's doing that, he's doing that financially. He's been doing that financially, and I think that's one of the reasons

Scott Besson was brought on. Scott Besson helped to destroy the British pound at one point. And I think he, one of our guys too do you think that as well i are at least amenable to that well i think that you know this goes back to one of the things i was going to say earlier before i i easily get sidetracked is i think these guys are not working for us i think they're working for themselves and they're working for their interests but i think that the jerome pal scott besant faction if they were to win it would be more beneficial for us then yes any of the other group's one

You know, you don't, it's, you know, it's like this thing that libertarians use to talk about, oh, you know, if you have someone who goes out there and becomes a billionaire by creating this thing, well, you know, they did it for self-interest, but maybe that thing, you know, makes your life easier. Right, that's like, okay, well, I'm like, trickle-down sort of thing. Yeah. Sure, yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, well, I'm willing to accept, I'm willing to accept that, you know, knowing whatever Jerome Powell is, knowing Scott Besson is a homo. I mean, this, at this point, you know that. choosing your, you know, choosing your, you don't get to choose your, you don't get to choose your allies at this point, you know, and not even saying that they're an ally, that they're working for you,

but you don't get to be like, well, I hope he fails because he's a homo. And what he, what this person may be playing. Oh, yeah, look at that. He's married to a guy named John Friedman, has two children. How do you get the kids? I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't fucking like it.

But what I'm saying is that there's what's the fucking, I mean, we're literally looking at like the fucking left getting back in power or the city of London still existing and having control over us and the W.E.F and the EU trying to get us into a fucking world war, possibly with nukes. And I'm like, well, I mean, I'm going to root for whoever I can look at and figure out, okay, that person, whatever that person, whatever that. person wants would probably benefit me the best. That was my whole justification for trying to go to bat for Trump. It was just the idea that, yeah, the alternative is far worse. And I think I still stand by that. But now that we're 100 and, what are we, 125 days in or something like that. Yeah, I mean, think about it. Okay, so Trump has, Trump has a faction around him that does.

like what the Qataris are doing. And that is the teal faction? That's that kind of faction. I don't even know. I don't know. I'm thinking more along the lines of, I'm convinced that the Jerome Powell faction doesn't like the power. Jerome Powell is a seventh generation American.

I think Scott Besson is a ninth generation American. I mean, Jerome Powell is like a seventh generation Virginian. I think that these, these wasps who, like Colonel McGregor who go on Judge Knapp show and are literally naming

the Qatari now are I think this is a WOS faction that realizes we want to we controlled this thing at one point we want it back and I think you could even count Tucker as being a part of that group and that's that would be the fact

if that is in fact what they're trying to do And when I look at Powell, especially what Powell's been doing for the last four years in weakening the EU, weakening the euro dollar, you know, weakening the British pound. I mean, the British pound, when I was growing up, I mean, all our lives was pegged, was almost like it was pegged two dollar, two British pounds to one U.S. dollar. It's down a one and a quarter. It's down a one and a quarter now. So Jerome Powell, and that's all happened since Jerome Powell's been at the head of the Fed. You know, and people talk about, oh, Jerome Powell and Trump, they're always fighting in, they're always fighting publicly. And they'll say nasty stuff about each other. You know, the Trump will say nasty stuff.

And then Jerome Powell just brush it off and go, can't do anything. I'm the head of the Fed. I do what I want. I was going to say, because Powell is Trump's boss, so he could talk all he wants. You know, and then you hear Scott Besson go, I have lunch with Jerome Powell every Monday morning. Yeah. It's like, oh, okay. So what's that all about?

You know, so I don't have any hope. Let's put it this way. Let me try to put a bow on it like this. I don't have any hope that my enemy is going to be destroyed by this, by this regime that's in charge right now. I believe they've been weakened, but they were weakened under Biden. I mean, Powell was doing this when Biden was president. I think they can be weakened further, but I don't see them going away because they have, you know, they have resources that have been built up over centuries.

So, you know, I'm basically what I'm hoping for is I'm hoping for a, we're going to have a bad period. And then after a bad period, the hope is that we have like a mini golden age. using the term golden age, people will jump all over that and be like, Pete's just coping. I don't really care. You're not smarter than I am, right? I mean, if you, if you're one of these people who goes, they control everything. I mean, you're, you're a bigger guitarist than they are. Okay. Yeah. You think they're more powerful than actually they believe that they're, then they believe. They wouldn't be panicking the way they're doing

if they actually believe that they were as powerful as you think they are. So I'm just basically hoping that we have some kind of light at the end of the tunnel where we have an age where our guys can concentrate and plan to acquire wealth, acquire land, build businesses, do things that can last into the future

so that you can build something to fight back when the enemy eventually gets back in charge. Because if you think, I mean, we still have voting in this country. In 2028, people can be retarded or they can fix it again. And the enemy can get back in charge. Okay, well, would you rather be, would you rather have more wealth? or would you rather be where you are right now? Would you rather be wallowing and saying,

oh my God, the Qataris control everything? I can't do anything. Oh, my God. Or would you rather be busting your ass for the next three and a half years building up something that is an edifice that they can't climb over? Or not that they can't climb over, that they may just pass by because it's not worth it.

Let's pick off somebody, pick off somebody else who's weaker. Because that's coming. If people don't believe that's coming, they're the ones who are doing the coping. I thought it was very interesting now as we get closer to the day of recording, that there has not been a significant backlash, as far as I've seen, to the events that occurred outside of the Israeli embassy in New York. the killing of the sorry it wasn't it was sorry it was

DC DC was DC DC DC so I thought that was very interesting I did not I haven't seen a lot of backlash but that one thing I thought was quite interesting and I want to know your maybe your deeper thoughts on this we'll say what kind of networks

you think this is pulling from these two Aaron Lyschinski and I think the other one was Sarah Milgram were workers at this at the embassy and were apparently one of them was a Christian. This might even be the case that both of them were Christian. I haven't really haven't looked as much. Nobody uses nobody's using that term unless it's unless it's as a weapon.

So that's what I'm asking. Yes. Messianic. I keep hearing Messianic Jews. Asianic Jews, yes. Which is an interesting term for a Christian. I agree. I've never heard of a... Now, it's certainly possible. The name Yaron Lyshinsky, who is born in Nuremberg, Germany, doesn't sound like the name of a Christian. Usually.

I'm willing to admit it certainly could be. But as far as I understand, he didn't have a conversion experience. He was born a Christian. Now, I thought it was very interesting because it certainly seems an interesting time. that one or two Christians would be gunned down by a, quote, left-wing nut, Palestine supporting left-wing nut at a time like this. Did you find that interesting as well? I think for the reasons you pick up on what I'm insinuating about that?

Well, of course, because, you know, let's drop the Qatari now. Are you doing so good? Yeah, we were doing good. But of course it seems odd. I mean, Israel has basically lost the plot. Americans, there was a, I can't remember who did it, but it was a mainstream poll service. And Zero Hedge was reporting on this.

That's the article that I read on my substack was less than 50% of Americans now support Israel. and, you know, it's higher among boomers, of course. I mean, you know, that's the biggest age group and generation. But, I mean, as far as Gen Z and Gen, I think it's Gen A, it's like in the gutter. It's, you know. Yes, they've got a ticking clock. Yeah, less than 20%.

So, yeah, it does seem odd. considering, you know, this happens. And immediately, and you know, all right, this happens. I'll throw this out there. If they are dead, if these people even exist, then it's a really weird time for it to happen. And immediately what you saw the propaganda was, was, look, they're doing this to Christians too. It's like, okay, well, this guy, what, what's it, Ilyaz Rodriguez? Okay, same thing, just different. Yeah. Different sounds, yeah. Yeah. You know, if this, this guy targeted them knowing they were Christians outside of a,

outside of the, whatever, the embassy, the Israeli embassy in D.C., no. if this is all on the up and up. No, I assume he thought they were Jews. So doing the whole Christian, oh, look at, they're killing Christians now. Well, sorry, that's not, that doesn't work on me. So I've read too much Edward Bernays and Walter Lipman to fall for this. And I'm sure I still fall for propaganda all the time. I'm not saying that I'm not, it's, there's some propaganda out there that's actually really good.

but this stuff is just is is ham-fisted and so then they go oh well look they're you know they killed them because they were Jews well the left in this country doesn't care yeah and you know the right in this country is more apt to care but you're losing yeah you're losing them i'd say two thirds of the of the right care and that number's dwindling yeah so I mean, they know that they're losing. I mean, there was some, I'll just give you this. Some friends of mine had a hit piece run on them. I'm not going to say where it is so that I don't draw attention to this.

But they have a group and they had a hit piece run on them. And the first hit piece was how they were racist. And like, leftists were up in arms. They went crazy over this. I can't believe that there's this group that's racist, you know, in 2025. Well, the second, yeah, the second hit piece was, look what they say about the Jews. Right, because when the one doesn't work to move the right wing against them, that's the next thing. Right, but the thing is.

And then the third will be their flourish, which is they're all pedophiles. That's the third off. That's what the third thing they do. So when this thing came out and they talked about how, oh, Oh, you know, they even platform anti-Semites. And I was mentioned in the article. I don't know why, because if you would have read the tweet, you would have seen that I was, I made a whole lot of sense. And I was very historical as well.

The left didn't care. The left wasn't up in arms over this. And that's why you see Hasbara accounts on Twitter now. you see people who are obviously Zionist puppets. You see people with, they put beepers in their. I've seen the beeper. I've seen the beeper. Their name and everything.

And it's like who, and you almost, when you see the beeper, you almost think, is this our guys? Like trying to. And half the time, I wonder, because some of our guys do that stuff. Yeah. And it's like, are these our guys? Because do they think? This is really going to, who is this?

It's only helping, that's only attracting people or even if it is energizing anyone. It's only energizing people who are ready are on your side. Well, and it's like that one guy who's a member of the, who's a member of the Habad of Kentucky. You know what I'm talking about? And you would think actual Qataris were running his account, you know? sometimes you look at them and you go this you know you you pull up the old law that goes every organization think of every organization as being run by an enemy and you go and you wonder with some of these accounts is that what level of this is a person who's really believes what they're saying versus someone who's playing

that that next level of chess you're talking about the one who after theo vaughn put out his video where he was like appealing and saying why are we doing this he's like yeah well theo vaughan's real last name is this and his last name is the coolest last german last name i've ever heard and his ancestor was a badass yeah uh-huh and do you know what his german last name actually translates to what's that j slayer come on not kidding is that guy a real guy the guy he's talked about it he's talked about it He's talked about it before on his show. I mean,

it's like that meme where you go, this thing is freaking stupid. And it's a hot dog skateboarding. And it goes coolest thing ever. It's like the person is, it's like, is this you? They'll be like,

they'll post like one of your tweets and be like, is this you? And then you have the meme what is this you? And then on it it says most base thing ever. It's when you, it's the exact kind of thing. that elicits a posting of the gigacad underneath it. Yeah, you forgot the gigacad meme.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they, I mean, their propaganda doesn't even work anymore. It's not even good. Well, I don't even know who's probably. And I am seeing is my point. And I hope that's fair because I really can't tell anymore who's proper. Because I know that people, I don't know, there seems to be sometimes on our side a reaction

to think almost. and nobody of any major status, but there's this kind of under-bubbling, especially from the amphibians, that no other side could possibly do propaganda. And this is one of the reasons why I kind of avoid this stuff, because I don't know anymore if the account that I'm looking at is propaganda

or from what side the propaganda is looking at. So now I just go entirely by my own intuition, which is to say what you said, I should regard that country in the Middle East with the same energy that I regard Burma or something like that, some Guam, some irrelevant place. And that's how I try to treat it. If they didn't have so much power and so much influence over politicians in this country, sure, it would be easy to, it would be easy to ignore. And especially over Europe, you know, who exerts a lot of influence on this country. Yeah, there used to be this game that was the...

You ever heard of Forward Magazine? I have not. It calls itself the... It's one of the leading Jewish online magazines. And people used to play this. They used to have these... They used to have articles and, like, titles, and you'd see sometimes you'd see them in, like, the Jerusalem Post

or Heretz, it would be like, is it the Daily Forward of the Daily Stormer? You can't tell who, like, who would, is, who's writing this article? Is it like literally like, is the Stormer back, back online and they're writing articles? It's exhausting. You're just like, the headline, you're like, why would you do this? I was like, why would you write an article about this? I mean, I think it's just that this specific group of people were talking about. They are so, they think they're so right.

And I hate this term, but it's a good term to use for any new people or normies that might be listening who haven't tuned up. I know. They think they're on the right side of history. Yeah, they will. they do. They'll have to because that's part of the dialectic, yeah. So they'll write articles about like, you know, like, oh, how 80 to 90 percent of the foreigners that helped Mao get going were Jewish. Or they'll write about how, you know, when the Armenian genocide happened, the Jews that's the Jews that stood by and were, you know, advising them. And it's like,

Like, why would you write this? I know. It seems so miscalculated. Who's reading this that you're thinking is, who's this working for? Yeah. So it does. It makes you wonder if a system is what it does. And so it makes you wonder.

And I think it's one of those things where it's like if they get enough people to, there was this theory after October 7th that the reason they were killing civilians in the numbers they were is because they were trying to isolate themselves from the rest of the world. Like it was purposely being done. For what purpose? Who the hell knows? But it almost seems like every once in a while they do something or they admit to something. and it's meant to cause people who aren't wedded to their, you know,

wedded to their well-being, you know, people who are, you know, just one, you know, 100% phylo-Semites, that they want people to hate them so that they have something to rally around. Look, the last two, that, our whole history is people. hating us for no reason whatsoever. We're always innocent. We never do anything wrong. I mean, their own philosophers, if you go back and you research, you will find,

Aaron and I read an article where it was just quoting their own philosophers, saying we can never admit we're wrong. We always have to be innocent. Was that the psychotic nation? Yeah, yeah, Israel, the psychotic nation. I saw you recording with him, and he's in his murder dungeon. or his rape basement. He's hitting a hookah.

He's got such an image. Yeah, it's, it's very errant. And, you know, so it's like you, here's the thing is, if they had no say over our government, we could just look at them from afar and, like, it would just be this, like, anthropologic. You know, we could just look at their antthropologically and be like, this is a really weird group of people. What the hell's going on over there?

But the fact that they have so much sway over what used to be the West and especially the United States in general, you're almost, you're forced. I feel forced to address it as somebody who, you know, I mean, it's like, I think people think that I want to, be talking about Jewish history, Jewish current events. I'd rather be talking about hockey. Panthers were up three nothing on the Carolina Panthers, on the Carolina hurricanes right now. I saw that. I mean, I would love to be talking about Florida Panther hockey.

And I knew. Well, when this all wraps up, that's a valid podcast for you to start when this all wraps up. Oh, Luongo and I did a whole hockey podcast, and people who didn't even like hockey, loved it. We did a whole episode. We did a whole episode on it. And people think that, you know, it's like, oh, well, why would you talk about this? I'm compelled to.

I'm compelled to talk about this because basically I, I'm part of this country. You know, I was born here. You know, my, I have relatives to serve in the military here. You know, I have relatives who are buried all. throughout, buried all throughout the country. This is where I belong. I mean, I've lived in other countries and I've always come back. It's like, I mean, why wouldn't I? When I look and I see, and it's easy to see who is exerting the most influence and the most negative influence. That's the biggest problem I have with being like, oh, you're just jealous of them because

they're successful. Successful at what? At what? personally successful, yes, they can get power, they can get positions, they can do, a lot of it is true nepotism. I don't even have a real problem with nepotism, but the problem is, is when they get power, when they get positions of influence, it always pushes everything to the left, or it pushes us into war. Those are two things that are a net negative, I mean, and could basically spell the end of this country, which I'm a part of. So how can I not talk about that? Sure, I know that there are other groups involved. But when you're 2.4% of the population and you look and you look at the Biden-like White House and the first man or whatever they were calling him, Doug Emhoff,

is out on like the steps of Congress. And he's like, he's like, he's like, here are the 457 Jews who are working directly with Joe Biden. It's just what the, what, what, what, and then I look at the Biden regime, and it's basically war upon my people. Okay. Well, and then you look at his cabinet and it's 60 to 80% Jewish. And you look at the attorney general. And you look at the, you know, the department of the, you look at all, all, all of these people who are in charge, you look at Victoria Newland, who's basically, it doesn't matter if it's a Republican or a Democrat. She's in charge trying to get us into war, you know, getting us into war with Russia or getting us into proxy wars with Russia, getting us into proxy wars for Israel.

I'm not supposed, what, I'm not supposed to say something. Why? Because I'm, I should be scared, or it's, you know, it's, it's, it's gosh. It's not something, you know, you know, that's not, It's becoming less every day. I mean, it's amazing the progression of it. This kind of talk is becoming less and less taboo every day to the complete miscalculation of that side. Yeah. And people are like, oh, you know, it's like, you rarely ever hear me, yeah, you rarely ever hear me say the term the Jews. I always say Jews.

Isn't that the Jews? I don't like there. I know, I personally know Jews that I get along with, we're friends, you know, these are people who don't have power, they're not trying to manipulate, you know, the levers of power, the levers of influence in certain places. Some of them are actually working, they may not want to be 100% on my side, but they are definitely working in the same direction. It's not them.

It's this, this certain group of power. And you could see that in like when you study like Russian history and you look at the Stettel. It's like it would the the rabbis were rabid, which is funny rabbi, rabid, rabid lunatics. And then you can, you know, once you start looking at that, you go down a rabbit trail. I mean, there's so much there. I could do this all night. You look at how not only were they like the peasants around them manipulating them, but they're manipulating their own people. And that's the worst thing about this is, is that Kevin McDonald can say this is, you know, this is how they've evolved and everything. Okay, but how did they evolve that way? They evolved that way because their leadership was constantly telling them, everybody outside of our group wants to kill you. And you're also the most special people who've ever been born. So you're basically breeding a narcissist class. And I mean, it's, I mean, it's,

it's the ones who have, who think that they have to, you know, heal the world or the ones that think that they have to, you know, it always seems like what their, what their goal is and what they brag about is completely against the culture that they've, their diaspora has, you know, found its way into. Well, I'll say this. It's, it's very good that the left wing was given. the term woke right so that they can easily dismiss the nuances of this conversation when they start to hear it.

Well, James Lindsay. James Lindsay. And actually, it was somebody tracked down that it may have actually been one of James Lindsay's bosses, a Jewish female millionaire or billionaire that has something to do with the Manhattan. Institute or I can't remember. Sounds right. Everything, but yeah. Sounds like that's the,

sounds like that's the system doing what it, what it does. Yeah, this is, you know, the purpose of system is what it does. So, yeah, I mean,

to take it all back, you know, it's all the way back. I mean, I see, this is what I see out of Ukraine. This is what I see out of Russia because I know the Russian history

of the 90s. And Scott Horton is supposed to have somebody who's writing a book on that that they're supposed to release. And it's, but I heard an interview with this woman, and she has such in-depth knowledge of everything that was going on in the 90s. And, you know, other people have talked about it to, you know, who really know the history.

Nineties, Russia is fascinating and terrifying and insanely sad. And, I mean, what you're seeing now is just a continuation of that is trying to get back at Putin for cutting off their destruction of Russia is what, you know, that they wanted to do, just like they had to destroy Germany. So yeah, and what's happening in Gaza? There's the question of whether they knew it was going to happen and they let it happen.

It was completely a surprise. Whichever side you take on that, really what's most important is what the reaction to it was. And if you sit down and you study and you look at the reaction, when you realize that the telegram channel 72 virgins, which just basically showed every atrocity the IDF was doing, was actually run by the IDF, and they were putting up their own atrocities.

You have to, I think it's very easy to say that these are just insane people, and they're evil. And, you know, maybe I have an opinion and that there's both of those are in play. But you also have to question, why would they do that? Right.

They're doing it for a specific purpose, and what is the purpose? Mm-hmm. I mean, it almost seems like you're, by doing that, you're committing suicide. You want to commit suicide. Well, there is, well, and I don't want to get too much into it because this is the Hornets Nest of all Hornets nests,

but there is a faction where that is the metaphysical goal is to bring about a great oppression so as to accelerate the coming of the Messiah. And sometimes I think about that when I see things like that. Now, I don't know if individual soldiers on the ground realize this, but there's a cultural procession of that kind of behavior. mixed with the we're the victims, where you have to wonder, well, if those two things are being said at the same time, it seems like you're almost goading people into hating you. And that has only been the succession of culture in this country is that more and more people

are moving towards that extremely critical view of this country in the Middle East and the people who support it, which would have been totally intolerable 10 years ago. and part of it strategically seems to have come out of that very side and so you do you you wonder i mean there are enough and i i guess there's a better term for it but enough messianic lunatics in that country who fall into that shabbatizevi style of you know bringing about the oppression of our own people where you have to wonder how much of an influence does that have on the overall strategy for the elites in that country. That's what I wonder, at least.

Yeah, I always think back to, like, the Sabatians and how their proto, the proto groups, whenever they think that the Messiah is here, you know, because they, you know, Zadhi claimed to be the satire. There's either he, either he did or the people around them said that he was. was and apparently um i think in his case it was nathan of gaza who declared him to be the messiah but you know his the proto sabbatians there there was some not too long before him who um in you know what is poland ukraine that area what you know what will become the pale of settlement where they rose up and they just they just started killing people they just started slaughtering people

because they were like, well, the Messiah's here. He's going to, you know, and that's when the Cossacks came in, when Kemminsky came in and had to put them down. And, you know, well, is that what we're seeing? Is that what we're seeing is, well, they think that their time has come. Maybe the Messiah is not here. Maybe we can, by doing this, we can get him to reveal himself that, you know, God will send him.

God will reveal him if he's already born. And by, you know, slaughtering all of these people, it will, you know, their, their eschaton, their concept of an escuton will start. Well, and it's, it really is very interesting because that, you know, the region that we were discussing as the first subject of this conversation, in particular to the, in the west part of Ukraine is Podolia, which is the cradle of, you know, Jacob Frank's movement. And it does seem like there is an antinomian, there is almost seems like there's an antinomian possession that's going on right now in that country in the Middle East, whether it's intentional or otherwise, that is playing on those same principles that was happening in that cradle, which is the subject of the other war that's going on, which you say are related in some way.

and I tend to agree with you. So that's very interesting to me. When you say, you wonder, when you think about the channels on telegram, and are these people evil or, and you wonder if there is an obsession with Antinomianism and does it come from a religious origin, in which case you certainly can't say that it's rational action. It has to be a religious messianism. action. And so when you're wondering, why is it that it seems like half of the anti-Semitism in

this country is being stoked by that very side intentionally? You have to wonder, is it on purpose? And it seems like the more you investigate it, there's a really strong claim that if it's not on purpose, then its intention is acknowledged and not fought against. At the very least. I mean, I see guys like Rabbi Shmooley. And you just go, what other game plan is there than to stoke hatred for a particular suffering, for a reason, you know, to create this suffering servant, this oppressed minority idea, to keep it alive in a time when it's clear as day, this is not real. It is not true that this is an oppressed group.

Yeah, and then, yeah, you go back and you think about Shmooley and you're like, is he real? Right, he could be AI. Did one our guys create him? What happened here? Right. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, if, well, obviously, if you look at everything that's being done, Ansonomianism can't be that has to answer the conversation.

That is why I always, I always chuckle. I mention because I've read enough of, you know, people think that, oh, if you, if you know anything about your history of the Jews came from mind comp for, you know, so it's like, now I read them. I read what they write. You know, and when you read what they write, you're like, well, these people don't believe in God. They use, they say that.

There are some Jews who actually believe in. God, sure. But for the most part, leadership is, even some of the rabbi. I mean, even a lot of the rabbis, they just don't believe in God. So it's like, it's very clear in terms of the elites that it's a, it's a ploy. It's meant to capitalize on the dim-wittedness of the majority, to be able to kind of organize them in a metaphysical way. They don't believe it at all. It's a myth. I mean, Herzl can, Herzl doesn't believe in God, didn't believe in God,

but he could read the Bible and go, okay, there's groups out there who believe that this is actually the scripture and we're going to make them, that this is God breathed, and we're going to make them, you know, we're going to claim that we believe in this

and we're going to use it as a, as Ryan Dawson likes to say that the Bible is not like a, you know, a real estate, a real estate document. It doesn't give you the right to just, you know, oh, this is our land here. It's like, well, can you, can you prove your Jews? Can you prove you have any ties to that land? Well, we say we're Jews and you have to believe us. Okay.

All right. That's fine. But yeah. And, you know, Israel Shahak in his book says, yeah. You know, I mean, somebody who was a professor in Israeli universities. This is, yeah, I mean, they use the Bible when it benefits them. They believe in scripture, quote unquote, believe when it benefits them. When it can use it to manipulate is what he said.

And yeah, I mean, that's, there's nothing more antonomian. There's no more antonomian action than that when you're, just basically pretending so that you can you can manipulate other people because right if you're you know and also you know not to mention not only manipulate other people but to murder other people well it's a it's a classic Babylonian trait for for what it's worth is it's a classic trait you find among elite societies of all kinds is that this idea that it's okay for us to transgress. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, but not you. I mean, and that's, and you could also argue that that's just a friend, enemy distinction, politics, too. It's, um, yeah,

I wouldn't yield that that is necessarily antonomian. I mean, when you see some of the behavior, like you said, on that telegram channel, now these are plebs and grunt. who are participating in this, but it is, the whole culture is facilitated by their elites.

They like that this kind of thing is happening. And that strikes me as particularly antonomian. I agree with you that there is certainly a friend-enemy distinction that's being applied here, but I don't think you're as a Christian, I don't think even as you apply that, you are loosed from your moral obligations. That's the difference. They do.

Right, right. I mean, you know, Christians historically haven't just started killing people because they wanted to start killing people. There was always a reason. There was a reason that crusades happened. There was reason, you know, there was always a justification behind it. Usually that justification was actually right. Not great to say it. But, you know, I know a lot, I don't hate to say it, but I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but it was correct.

But, yeah, this is just, I mean. this is just killing people for the sake of killing people. And, you know, the irony shouldn't be lost that, you know, that's what they, that's what they accused the Germans of doing, killing people because of who they are and what they believe. I mean, I'm not one of these people who is like, you know, oh, they're the real Nazis because that's retarded. Yeah, it's too worn out of rhetoric. Yeah, it's just too worn out. It just doesn't work anymore. It's just so boomerified and everything.

But I mean, like literally, you know, it's like, you know, these Nazis, national socialists, are the most evil ever because they killed people. They executed people and slaughtered people because of who they are and what they believed. All right. Well, I mean, if that is your story and you're sticking to it, well, I mean, I guess I can say, were they wrong? If you think what you're doing is right and you're going to justify it

by saying these people are just, you know, evil and, you know, one-hour destruction, well, then isn't the narrative that that's what they believe too? Well, I mean, I think you've painted back yourself into a corner here. Well, you don't understand, Pete. It was Palestinian-

terrorists who convinced the Nazis to do the Holocaust. Who said that recently? It was, um, Netanyahu said that. Netanyahu's saying it because his court jester, that historian is the one who came up with that idea, whatever that guy's name is, who I forget. Benny, Benny Morris, that comes from Benny Morris, who's sort of the court historian of the Lakud Party. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's just, it's insane.

And everybody wants to, you know, you have one party over here saying, oh, the Nazis were being controlled by the Palestinians. And you have like Jay Dyer over here saying, no, the Nazis are controlled by the Zionist. He's just ridiculous, man. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, his whole, his whole thing was exposed years ago by Eric Barra. Now that's too Catholic inside baseball, but that guy's not a friend. We could talk about that off there. because I still have a lot of friends that are friends with him and I don't you know

hopefully my friends who are still friends with him are mature enough to you know realize why you know what my problem is with him and to um to accept it because you know a lot of a lot of those friends don't like some of the people that I associate with so I mean it's we'll just be adults you know you know it's different when you know me and you can just read it out to me and go, hey, what's going on? And if you're some, when you're some non on Twitter who goes, you're acting like a Jew. That means you're Jewish.

Yeah. So, we've been going, we've been going for a while here. You have anything? I mean, we talked about a lot of shit here that probably can get us in trouble. But, you know, I mean, I guess that's my life now. But yeah, it's been my life for a while.

Yeah. I'm untouchable at this point. I'm a buoyant podcaster. Nobody cares anymore. I do. I wait for every episode dropped. Yeah. You know, it was funny.

I was preparing, I hope not to extend this too long, but I was preparing to talk to you a little bit about some of the mystery Babylon stuff. I haven't listened yet. I'm waiting. You've not listened to any of this series yet. I have not listened to any of this series yet. I have not listened to any of the series.

Okay. It's one of those ones I'm waiting on. You, what's very interesting about it, and you'll pick on it very quickly, so I expected DM from you when you pick up on it, because you will. But I guess I'll say it out here. For all of the good in the mystery, and, okay, so the mystery Babylon theory, for those who don't know, you can go to my Patreon, you can go to the Timeline Earth, Patreon, pause, my co-host and I are doing a 40-episode series where we listen through the 42

episode, Bill Cooper, who was a conspiracy theorist radio show host, who did a 40-something episode series on a theory he called Mystery Babylon. The long and short of it is, it's the grand conspiracy about how all of the modern secret societies that you can name have a singular origin point in the Babylonian mystery religion. There's a lot more nuance to it than that. It's very fascinating. Him and we are going through it. It's like two hours in episodes. Sometimes we spend on doing this. And I like to bring a lot of context to it. And one thing that I'm noticing, and I just did a literal case insensitive search through the entire 409-page transcript of the mystery Babylon thing, Sabatai, Zevi, Jacob, Frank never mentioned even once in the entire

thing. And so I'm looking at this and I'm going, well, it's very interesting that that's not in there. And that's what I wanted to talk to you about. And I'm glad that we managed to get some of that in there because I don't understand how a good faith actor can possibly talk about a group like the Nazari assassins, the Afghan Roshanea, the Freemasons, the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians, the skull and bones. And at no point are the Sabatians or the Frankists mentioned. I mean, we talk about the Templars. We talk about the Knights of Malta. We talk about all of the secret societies that you could possibly expect. and there are glaring omissions. Now, I hope that that's not an anti-advertisement for the show because the theory in general is very fascinating.

But it's really interesting when you consider that Bill, Mr. Cooper, was a god among the militia movement in the United States. And it was probably a multiple times called an anti-Semite, among other racist, among all other things. And none of this stuff even appears. And I just thought that was very interesting. So when you go into the series, expect to not hear that. Because that is something that only occurred to me recently.

I was going, wait, we've done 15 episodes, probably 30 hours of content already available to you if you go to that Patreon and you subscribe. Probably about 30 hours of content. No mention of that. Plenty of mentions against the Catholic Church. Plenty of mentions against various forms of Islam. And no mention of that at all. So it's something that occurred to me. I was wondering your thoughts, but if you haven't listened to it yet, now I'm very interested as we continue to go through it when you do get to it to give me your thoughts on it.

Because like I say, the theory is very interesting and presents a lot of good context for what's going on with various secret societies and their motivations. Ultimately, I'm willing to believe that there is a massive and extremely powerful depopulationist, communist society that even though they're disparate and fight on. amongst themselves sometimes, they all have a singular goal of a new world order. I am willing to believe that, but it was funny to hear some of the omissions. So you can join us on this journey, dear listeners, for the price of a slice of pizza. They're getting very expensive. You can join me and pause as we go through this whole theory. Know what you'll hear.

Know what you won't hear. But you will hear a lot of very interesting things that give you a lot of context. for, for instance, the Bush family, a lot of things that I learned. For instance, a lot of great context on the founding fathers. And if you don't believe Bill, and you don't believe me, that's tough. You can check the sources. The federal government has entire articles about how George Washington performed a Freemasonic ceremony at the foundation stone of the Capitol building. And there's plenty of sources for how Benjamin Franklin's hole capturing lightning was a Promethean ritual. They talk about this in the federal government. And so not to distract too much

from our conversation today, which I think is very important, but I am a multifactionalist. I do believe that there are a number of Christ-hating factions in the world that vie for power and for the extinction of Christ and his message and his church. And some of those groups also call themselves Christian, for what it's worth, because it's to destroy the church. Once you destroy the church, then there is nothing. It doesn't matter how many disparate individuals there are. As you see, American Protestantism is in the state that it's in. No offense to my American Protestant friends, I'm sure many of you agree with me. You kind of see that there is a multi-factional approach here. So we talked about one faction on this show today. On Mystery Babylon, we talk about another faction.

You can judge for yourself the relationships between those two and the others. I also think radical Islam is a genuine faction. I really do. I think that's a genuine power faction that wants to destroy us. And so there's lots of different factions there. And we cover them all in what will amount to a 40-something episode series on the Patreon that you can go and listen to 15 episodes of right now. Paz and I release them every Sunday between noon and three for you to listen to after you get out of church or maybe you're preparing for the following workday. There's plenty of content there. So Pete, I'm very excited for you to listen to it because I think I do want to do an episode with you when you get through parts of it because I know you'll rage at it and you'll bring, you know, you'll bring your knowledge to it that will add something that we don't have. So I look forward to that and I look forward to your listeners joining us on that journey to. In fact, the last time that I plugged this on your show, it was a massive jump in people who were engaging with it. So a lot of your people are coming in already. and are engaging with the content, and I really, I welcome more, not just because, you know,

I like the subscription money, but also because I think this conversation has opened up people's eyes to at least one of Bill's great principles, which is the esoteric and the exoteric distinction, that elites tell us one thing and do something else. Now, it's very obvious when you say it in a short axiom like that, but the whole point of the series is doing that exact principle analysis over four, 40-something episodes in various different factions. And by the time that we get to the end of it, will be masters at decoding what they're saying versus what they're doing. So that's what I present to your listeners is a reason to listen.

Well, I will say this. I was looking over on one of my bookshelves where I have Russian history. I have a couple books there that cover Russian history from the 1905 revolution all the way up through World War II. And yeah, there's a certain group that's not mentioned. Anywhere in it. Really interesting. So, yeah, this is not uncommon.

Whether by, you know, whether on purpose or whether it's just, you know, it's like Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson says, he says, you can go through your whole college career and no one will address no one in academia will address this so people can come out and become journalists and become writers and they can write books and they just don't know they haven't learned about this it's been kept from them and yeah i've taken to saying that until you're willing to deal with this one group, I don't think you can understand the last 2,000 years of history. It's like the master key opening, it's the master key, it's opening up a really good understand, even if you don't believe that it's all, you know, they, they orchestrated this

whole everything for the last 2,000 years. You can't understand European history without knowing that especially European history. You cannot understand European history without knowing that this group exists and the actions that they took places they were and places they were invited into because I'm not going to let people off the hook for, you know, especially at least who are like, oh, these people can make us money. We need to invite them in. And then they drag in another five or six thousand with them.

You know, so, yeah, there's plenty of books that I've read. where they're not mentioned. And whether it's deliberate, which, you know, most of the amphibians will say, oh, that's just completely deliberate, or whether these people just don't know, they were never taught. They were never taught to look for this. You know, it's just another group, it's just another group of, it's just another group, you know, just like the French and just like the Germans and just like the Spanish.

or something like that, then, yeah. I try to get people the benefit of the doubt until, you know, especially people that I can, like, interact with on my own. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see their reaction. Once you see their reaction, you can, yeah. I think it's very important that as intelligent people, whether we have an ability to change anything or not, it's important that people stay informed about any number of power factions

in the world whose actions will have an effect on their day-to-day life or at the very least on the country that they live in all of the factions for me not just one all of them and we we try to cover that on that program and there is one notable omission but other than that i really do think we hit the mark awesome all right man we'll talk a little bit off air about what i wanted to ask you so sure thank you I appreciate you doing this and yeah talk to you soon you can have me on timeline earth anytime

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