The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1225: Immigration and Civil War w/ Firas Modad and Ron Dodson

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

115 MinutesPG-13Ron Dodson is Principal Owner & Portfolio Manager of a Texas hedge fund.Firas Modad is a Middle East and geopolitical risk analyst.Pete invited Firas and Ron to join him in examining the state of the US and Europe with a particular focus on immigration and its potential implications.Firas' SubstackFiras on TwitterRon at the American ReformerRon's SubstackRon on TwitterPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Hi, how's it going? Good, good. How you doing, Ron? Ron Dodson's back. Hey, don't Ron. Doing great. Thanks for having me. All right. I'm going to do a little introduction here and I'm going to let you guys go. I think with everything we've seen in the last week, everything that's happened in Europe, everything that's happening in England where Firas is, immigration is going, is the topic going forward. I don't think there's any way we're escaping this. I think we are going to be in one long immigration discussion, and we see exactly whether

it's organic or whether it's or whether this is some kind of planned op, you know, Soros kind of thing, quote unquote. It really doesn't matter. I think it's always usually a combination of both. You're going to have people paid to be there or just professional activists, and you're going to have true believers. But I don't think, I think this, this is the, this is going to be the conversation for, for not only the near future, but it's going to be probably for the next decade. So who wants to start with their take on what we're seeing now? Go ahead, Ferris. Well, from the way that I see it, not only is it going to be the topic for the next decade.

here in England we had the Reform Party which was widely expected to win the next election and as of today they've decided to completely surrender on the issue of immigration they've just appointed a new chairman

who after being chosen said that immigrants are the lifeblood of Britain now I'm an immigrant and I'm in Britain I'm not convinced that I'm the lifeblood in this country I think I think this country would do just fine without me.

I'd like to think that I contribute, that I pay my taxes, that I do my civic duties, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the lifeblood of this country. With what we're seeing in immigration, pretty much every story here around healthcare, around housing, around employment, around trade, has an immigration angle attached to it. and it's the most salient conversation that's happening in the country, to the extent that Sir Kier-Starmer, Britain's prime minister, gave his own version of Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood

Speech, where he declared that thanks to immigration, Britain has become an island of strangers and where he said that this was planned and that this had had extremely negative consequences and were he committed to doing something to reduce the level of immigration, not to reverse it. Nobody in a position to win a future election has said that they would reverse it. But for this to come out of Kirstarmer, whose whole party is adamant that it is in alliance with the migrants, shows you just how important the issue has become. And now the big question is, to what extent will there be contagion from the United States?

We are seeing riots in Paris already due to separate issues. We just saw a huge protest in support to the Palestinians that had the usual mix of gay pride flags and Palestinian flags. And no matter what you think on the Israel-Palestine conflict, these two do not. mix. And we're seeing this increased assertiveness from migrant communities while seeing the establishment in Britain and in Europe unwilling to admit that they have a national identity and that they have a cultural identity. So in Europe the situation is pretty dire. Nobody is willing to to say that there is such a thing as a Western identity. Prevent, which is an outfit established

by the British government in order to combat terrorism, just updated its definition of terrorist ideologies. And it includes now people who believe that Western culture is superior. And it goes so far as to put Western culture in scare quotes, implying that there is no such thing, that Western culture isn't even real, it's just imagined. But essentially, they've declared civic nationalists to be terrorists, or at least on the extremism spectrum. This is now the official policy of the government of the United Kingdom.

So this is where we are here on immigration. The last thing I want to mention is that a very left-wing Labor MP came out and said that the north of England is a Tinderbox that can go off at any moment and that ethnic tensions have never been this severe. As if to confirm her point yesterday, two Roma boys tried to rape a girl in Northern Ireland and then around 2000. people got together and burnt down the houses of these boys. The state evacuated their families. Thankfully, nobody was hurt. But this is according to members of parliament from the Labor Party at Tinderbox. I didn't, I wasn't aware of the situation in Ireland. That is a pretty good indicator of, I think, where we are seeing things going, really, in all of all of the West. You're seeing these ethnic tensions that have been suppressed only by the outsized, you know,

the outsized prosperity, I think, has been a, has been somewhat a subduing agent to, to what naturally is going to at some point bubble up. I mean, obviously you're seeing, you know, I don't want to jump the gun because we'll get into it later. What's going on on our West Coast and the comments that, I mean, what I consider just my eyes were opened when the Mexican president said what she said. I was, you know, wondering if she had her meds, you know, set correctly.

In England, the unwillingness for Europeans to show that what created Europe was a culture, that these ideas aren't ideology in a vacuum, that they are part and parcel of a life lived. You see it, you know, again, you guys are Roman Catholic. like, I'm Protestant, but it's hard not to make the argument that part of it is a, is a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, an offshoot of, of, of the Protestant reformation in the sense that everything at some point has become, especially in reform circles. And again, I, I think, hey, I'm reformed by conviction. I, I had to accept John Calvin into my heart. I wasn't born into it.

But the idea that everything is reduced to ideology and not part of a cultural milieu that is a lived life, a way of life, you know, Schmidt talks about this, that has been destructive to culture. And the Christian leaders have not done a good job of making sure those two things are tied together. You know, there's nothing wrong with ideas, but if they're divorced completely from a life lived, they can be, you know, ideology, raw ideology has been a dangerous thing throughout human history, especially in our last little window of it. Now, I'm just shocked that of all people, the English would not see this, not see the importance.

of the marriage of these two things. And that does not pretend well to the near and middle term future. Do you think that, do you think, and I know what the answer is, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I've got a ton of, I'm Canadian. I'm kind of honorary Canadian by marriage. I'm married a Canadian. I've got a lot of Canadian family therefore.

And how King Charles addressed the Canadian government. when he came over was shocking to me. Wouldn't it, doesn't this seem to be an area where the king is called to stand up and say no more and do something where he's uniquely suited to do something that would change the course? Or is he just fully captured as well? You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you even before.

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interest in it. I think that the I hesitate to say this and I'm going to say this carefully. I think that the Windsor royal family is much more interested in their role in the Commonwealth and in them being the only royal family that has nominally a multiracial kingdom than they are in anything else. And this has captured their imagination and their ideas from the days of Queen Elizabeth, God rest her soul, who insisted on going against both Rhodesia and South Africa without in any way distinguishing between the two and without in any way respecting the other side of the argument, especially on the Redisian side, that insisted that there must be qualifications for

people to vote. Since then, they've shown a commitment to the idea of multiculturalism and to the idea that all cultures are fundamentally equal because all people are equal under God. Without realizing that, yes, you can say that all souls are equal in the highs of God, without the conclusion being, well, therefore, all cultures are equal. Right. Right. Those are completely separate things. These are two very different claims. These are two fundamentally different claims.

And so this has been the attitude of the royal family. And they've shown no concern for the native white British population. None. Do you, I'm going to ask a question that's a little bit in the weeds and so we can avoid it if it's going to bog us down. but but you know in uh in galatians saint paul says that the law was a pedagogue in other words it was a tutor to bring the people to maturity yes that's a cultural statement yes it's the it shows the importance of how a way of life is is a functional tutor to grow a people up so that they would be able to deal with. It didn't, the Torah doesn't answer every question. It's my, you know, I have a lot of sympathy with the, with the, you know, the, the, you know, the, you know, reconstructionists and all that kind of thing. Those are great people. But the law, regardless, it's not a complete civil code.

It doesn't have, there's nothing about water rights. There's nothing about, you know, it's this, it's this tutor, this teacher, this faithful, this faithful professor that is to, the faithful drill sergeant that's trying to produce out of you an officer ready to rule, right? And that's the role of, yeah, that's the role of culture in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a faithful society, right? It helps bring you up. You don't even have to know the why all the time. No, we just don't do that. And then as you get older, you get this gray hair. Then you can think about the why and everything, as you have time to ponder these things.

But you're creating a set of reflexes that are just, you know, it's like a golf swing. You don't, if you're thinking about every aspect of the golf swing, you're not going to have a good one. And so, again, I'm just shocked. The English of all people should know this. and you know maybe that's my I see it this way if you look online you can very quickly find videos of people just looting British stores en masse and you see a group of people going in filling up a bunch of bags sometimes with sandwiches sometimes with meat sometimes with booze whatever they fancy and then they take it out and they flog it on the street. And this is done openly now in Britain, and it's done regularly.

We had an MP who is trying to become the leader of the Conservative Party. He went down on the tube, the metro, and basically filmed people who were crossing the barriers without paying and tried to shame them. Now, mind you, he picked on people who didn't look from... minorities that would be prone to violence. So he did make that conscious selection. But the result was that finally the police deployed, at least to some stations, and started doing something about people who were getting on the trains without paying. With shoplifting, they're doing nothing about it. There is no sense at all that the victim has rights.

it's only the criminal who has rights. And there is no sense that the role of the law and of the state is to maintain guardrails and to maintain discipline so that the law can act as a pedagogue and teach people that bad behavior is to be punished. We're seeing the inverse. We're seeing people who are locked up for sentences that are people who tweet,

are getting sentences that are pretty close to the sentences received by people who rape. And we're seeing an effort by the state to release criminals early based on the claim that, look, there is no space in prisons, but they could create all the space that they needed if they were to just deport foreign criminals. If you come into the country legally, you're saddled with endless taxes. If you come into the country illegally, you sign up for some Deliveroo account and then you start working in the shadow economy with nobody bothering you. So the state is working as a corrupting influence, not as a pedagogue. Do we need a return of shame? Yes.

And I'm... And you need some kind of shame-based punishments. there are some cultures, including the Middle Eastern culture, from where I come, where without a sense of shame, people don't behave properly at all. Right. So in a way, for some petty crimes, it's more merciful to use the pillory or to have a flogging than it is to send somebody in jail where they will be, well, where they will have access to a television, a phone. drugs and a bunch of people who will teach them how to be more criminal. Right. Lee-Quah-you-understood this. This goes back to, in the colonies here, you would have people who would be punished by

there, they would be put in stocks, and then people would come out and they would throw food at them. And people look back upon that as something barbaric. But really, when you look at that, first of all, the person's not being killed. Second of all, it gives the community, it allows the community to come together against a common foe. And it actually brings people together much more than hanging, much more than even hanging did, because this is them doing the punishment themselves. You know, you see just in Singapore with the public canings and things like that,

yeah, that's one thing. But, you know, in Spain, during the Inquisition, there was a guy who, was selling magic potions and the Inquisition decided he was guilty and they said that they were going to put him on a horse and ride him through town and then whatever the people wanted to do to him they would do and they brought him out like cakes and food and they were like we forgive you you know you you did wrong but we forgive you and so bring people are so disconnected from law and order now from themselves. You know, when you talk to people,

we were, Ron and I were at an event, and there was someone there who was British. And this person was saying how one of the things that they see in people, in English people, especially in England, is that it's not like they hate their country, hate their government, hate the crown. They've almost reached a point where they hate themselves.

Yes. And they're not able to get past this. This is a direct consequence of materialist thinking. There is no sense of a spiritual connection between the people. There is no sense of a spiritual connection between the governing and the governed. and there is no sense that the law has a purpose other than, you know, punishment or convenience or something of that sort. So there is no sense.

Purely regulatory. Purely managerial. Completely utilitarian. It's just the management of a problem. It doesn't serve a higher purpose. It doesn't serve a higher. It's not seen as serving a higher purpose. And so the question is, well, how can we guarantee the rights?

of so-and-so, how can we protect the prisoners, how can we keep the officers safe, how can we keep the prison officers safe? And British prisons are mainly run by jihadis. This should also be emphasized. The jihadis run the prisons, and

this is a very deep problem because the genius of Islamic State was creating this marriage between jihadi ideology and criminality. But going back to the point of self-hatred, because nothing has any value outside of itself, because nothing has anything other than a utilitarian value,

you don't feel any connection to anything. And therefore you feel that sense of loathing. They've forgotten God, and they've forgotten that God loves them and they owe him their love. And that has rendered them incapable of loving, anything else. It's a spiritual crisis at the heart of it. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range

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Yeah, that's really good because think about how you care for, I mean, it's a hard example to make in America because we're so atomized. But how you should care, for instance, I have a brother and a sister. And those are not utilitarian relationships. No. I care for them. It's an ontological thing, right? They are because of literally because of who they are, we are connected. And if my brother's not doing well or my sister's not doing well, I feel a connection or

responsibility somewhere. It may not be my fault, but there is a connection there that is that, is it's even beyond covenantal. But again, it's, that's the connection we aren't, we have been stripped of sociologically in the West. Yes. You know, save for these, save for these close-knit communities, but for, you know, for the vast majority of folks, their closest connection might be,

They're country club. I don't know. I don't even know anymore. And it's, I don't know how you get that back. You don't get it back quick. I don't think without, you might get it back quick if there's tremendous suffering. Right. But otherwise, I just, it's a real pickle.

I'm afraid that you're right. I mean, here, a friend of mine, unfortunately, fell in. to alcoholism, his family's attitude was not really spectacular, not really caring in any way, sort of what an inconvenience you are now, rather than how am I going to help you get out of this, or even a stern, how dare you do this to yourself, come and fix yourself. Come and let me help you fix yourself. and you are seeing this brokenness across the board. A friend of mine was telling me today that he was walking around his town

and he just found a guy who was just dead, you know. Nobody had any concern for him. He died on the street like a dog. I was walking around a small British town. every other shop is a betting shop you go down the street and there's a dozen gambling and betting shops just sort of

all next to each other and that's all that's left of the town center and some of these places are beginning to look run down and some of these places are beginning to look run down around it you just see horrific decay empty buildings, empty stores boarded up windows

and you're sort of starting to see this society collapsing, society falling apart. It feels like something pre-biblical catastrophe. I guess that's probably, I guess one of the great things we have in this country, you know, still have in this country, in the south more than anywhere else, is the church culture. It's just that people, you know, I live in a town of 2,500 people. There's 20 churches. People still go to church on Sunday. People still have their Sunday, have their Sunday evening meals together. They'll still come together if people need help. And I think that is, you know, that is something, even if, you know, no matter what you want to say, oh, it's, you know, this church,

has, you know, is like a cold play concert or, you know, this church is like, this church only does old, you know, from the old Baptist hymnal or something like that. It's still a sense of community that many, that many places have just completely lost. And I think that's one of the reasons why so many cosmopolitans hate us is because they don't have this anymore. Pete, at least even in both those, and I'm a traditionalist when it comes to church, But I think there's a time to let your hair down too. But at least in each of those examples, there is a cohesive culture. This is who we are.

This is how it's going to be every Sunday. I think the traditionalist thing is even more because it's an other. You're coming and experiencing something that's separate from everything that's out there. But regardless, either way, it's a cohesive thing. This is us. And it's so important. Sorry, Ferris. I was going to share a bit of good news, which is that we are starting to see more youngsters going into church, especially more young men.

So I go to two churches. One of them is farther away. I go to it because it's friendlier to the children. And therefore, if I'm not busy on a Sunday, that's where I'll take them. And thankfully, my children sing in the choir. And then there's the other one that's close by where I sort of have a very early Sunday mass and then head off somewhere else if I had to go out on Sunday. I'm seeing more people in both.

and especially in the one close by, which is sometimes very depressing because you go in and you just see, you only see gray-haired people. No offense, Ron, but I want the church to include you and to include youngsters. Now I'm starting to see some young families starting to go there. And it often starts with the father and the children and then you start seeing the mother going regularly. and that's my nature is healing anecdote. That there is this response and realization that this is indeed a spiritual crisis and that the breakdown in order and in society

has spiritual roots. And that even the migration question, the idea that all I care about is how much money I make if I can hire somebody for 10% cheaper, that's all, that's it. I'll hire them because I don't feel any bond to the labor pool that already exists because I don't feel, because I see them just as a labor pool. I don't see them as a community. So there's an awareness that these are interrelated issues with a spiritual underpinning.

it isn't being fully articulated yet. This is a spiritual crisis you need to fix it. I personally look to the Muslim Brotherhood as an example of an organization that realized in the 1920s that the reason the Muslims were falling behind was because they lost their identity. Their identities based on Islam, I think it's false,

but I will give credit to that organization and say that it created an awakening in Muslim societies that is now helping transform a country like Turkey into a great power. Nothing can happen in the Middle East or in Southern Europe without Turkey being involved or at least acquiescing. And without this kind of grassroots organization that literally, literally has as its only objective the evangelization of society, the re-evangelization of society. I think this is going to be a very, very long trial, really, for the West. I now have my own show on the Lotus Eaters, and I was recording an episode today,

and I was pointing out how, from the Soviet Union collapsing to the rise of Putin, to restoration of Russia as a power, it was pretty much a generation's work. It took 10 years of absolute collapse and then 20 years of Putin trying to solidify and a couple of wars for the Russians to sort of rise. For China, it was a century of humiliation, followed by civil war and Japanese occupation, followed by a break with a power. followed by Deng and the changes that happened economically and the rise of China. For the Muslim world, it took perhaps two centuries. The Ottomans began falling apart in the 1800s.

The British helped keep them up to contain rival European powers. Now we're seeing Turkey becoming an expansionist power again. They've got northern Cyprus, they've got Libya, they've got Syria, they've got serious influence in Kosovo and in Albania and in Bosnia. They're expanding again. Yeah, don't they have, aren't they expanding influence around the horn of Africa? The heart of Africa and in the Sahel and into sub-Saharan Africa. Yes.

So there is going to be, the question is now, how long are the decades of misery going to be for the West? and for different countries it's going to play out differently. But there is, in part due to immigration, which is itself a reflection of a spiritual crisis, there's going to be a very long period of re-evangelizing society, of changing people's minds, of bringing back God into the conversation. and this is going to come with a few defeats in the same way that the Muslims and the Chinese and the Russians saw quite a few defeats

and this is going to come with enormous suffering and that might help people reattach themselves to their cross because there's no West without Christianity Protestant or Catholic there's no West without Christianity The difference between us, we can park them aside. We agree on this fundamental issue. And this is the trajectory in which the West is heading. It's going from the peak of its power.

It's going to go down to the crest and it's going to recover again. The question is, how long is the decline? How much suffering will the West have to endure during that decline? and what kind of organizations are going to be established to re-evangelize to help begin the recovery? You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design, they move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range for Mentor, Leone, and Teramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2000 euro.

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Mm-hmm. Well, one of the, you mentioned, you mentioned Russia and China having to have defeats before they can, before they can rise up again. One of the things that neither one of those had to suffer were large diaspora groups invading and taking the problem. That migration is a uniquely Western problem. Yeah. And it's an accelerant. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't see achieving what you're talking about, even with a rebirth of Christianity, without removing forces that are hostile to it within us.

And that, I mean, that that not only includes Islam, that includes, especially Hindu, Hinduism. not just that. I mean, you're beginning to see how far the left is willing to go in the United States. So you're not just seeing the riots in L.A. You saw a small issue in New York in late May, and you're seeing a call for general protests throughout the United States on the 14th of June. We're recording now on the 10th. So throughout this process, the left is going to side with the United States. the enemy. You see this in France. You see this in, look, I think that what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians is absolutely criminal in terms of cutting off aid and in terms of bombing civilians

and so on. Park that to the side. The global intifada and the support for the Palestinians from the left is destructive to the West. And these should be seen as two separate issues and two separate questions. Well said. Well, let me ask you this. Well, let me ask you that. Is it destructive to the West or is it destructive to the forces that have been occupying the West specifically since World War II? It's definitely harmful to Jewish power. There is no debate around that. But it is also harmful to the West as West because it is strengthening Islam at the expense of the West. It's sort of helping Islam fill this vacuum more effectively.

Right, and there's just a, sorry, sorry for us. I did a show recently on the Lotus Eaters where I basically just using the British government's own websites, there are Muslim network, there is the civil service Muslim network. It's an established thing, seeking to promote the interests of Muslims in the civil service and help them gain higher positions. the left is fully an agent of that. To take action against migration, you're going to have to have a whole of state approach, working on the welfare question and on the healthcare question

and on the fact that so much of Western logistics is dependent on migrants and working on all kinds of minute details from the legal to the practical. And this alliance, which has found a rallying point in the question of Gaza, is helping further Muslim power in the West at a time when the priority of Western governments should be reducing it. And this is an argument, again, completely separate from the practical reality of what's happening in Israel-Palestine, completely separate from that. and also separate from what's happening with the extent to which Western governments are incapable of doing anything that is in any way seen as harmful to the interests of Israel. So these are three separate issues.

This alliance is purely destructive, and it's found this rallying point. And this rallying point is revealing the depth and extent of this alliance and its insanity. expressed by the presence of homosexual flags next to Palestinian flags. Well, so let's see the sum of not an exhaustive list, but let's talk about some of the reasons that those things are tied together. First of all, you have a, you have, and we have cultivated, and part of it's due to the lack of a spiritual understanding in America, we have an incredibly high time preference. And that acts as a, as it completely destroys your immune system culturally. So, so these, then you just have competing teleologies with, with both Islam and

modern Judaism and the West, because modern Judaism and, and Islam are both monadic in their understanding of who God is. And what do I mean by that? That's a fancy word. I don't mean to be pedantic. But it's, you know, Christianity is Trinitarian. There is a, there is a relationship, even in amongst the Godhead that we reflect down here. That's where you get all the, you know, by the two or more witnesses, that's a Trinitarian concept. The reason we have a tripartite government in America is a reflection of a Trinitarian understanding. It's why judicial supremacy and judicial review are honestly monadic corruptions to a Western understanding of what government is. Even the kings during the days of kings in the West understood that they were

beholden to their nobles and their keepers. There was never, even in France, under the days of the Sun King, he understood that he was responsible to and accountable to the nobility. So that is very much a Western idea, this idea of relational accountability that doesn't exist in, from the top, at least, from the understanding of who we are as created beings. That's a competing idea in Islam and in modern Judaism that relates. accountability just doesn't exist and we've lost it due to this high time preference because what is time preference? I want to, I don't just live for me. I live for to honor those who came before me and to bless those who come after. That is Trinitarian. Okay. So, so anyway,

I think I think that's part of the philosophical problem is we've lost our roots and therefore it's easy for these contagions to come in. And that's, again, that's no, I have no, I'm not saying anything against the individual, faithful Muslim. I'm not saying anything against the individual, faithful follower of modern Judaism. I'm just saying that culturally and teleologically, these are competing systems. Yes. Yes. And the tragic part of this, Ron, is that if you were to say this in the British Parliament, not only would it completely go over their heads, it almost went over mine.

I doubt that, very seriously. But their eyes would glaze over and then they would just call you a racist. That's how lowbrow the debate is in the people. public sphere in Britain and I would argue, I would expect, in most of Europe, I'm most familiar with the debate here. So the situation that we have is not one where Westerners and especially Western leaders are lost. They're lost and they don't know that they're lost. If you know you're lost, you can begin to find your way. They don't know. know that they're lost, they think that they're still the light unto the world.

Whereas the rest of the world now looks at them mockingly, Saudi and Emirati officials will attack the British political leaders because of their tolerance for jihadism. There are practices that are permitted here in Britain that are literally, forbidden even in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Kuwait. This is how bad things are. It's not that they don't see Islam as a threat, which anybody with an understanding of Islam should accept that it's a religion that seeks to govern. And to govern who?

To govern you. They're not even aware of the possibility of there being a problem because they don't understand their people as their own. The word our people implies racism. And in a sense, I'm going to say this, they are correct because it implies that there is a difference between different groups of people without in any way saying that this individual is superior or inferior purely by virtue of belonging to that group. But the very idea of difference is alien to them. This is why when there is crime,

what's driving it is socioeconomic factors. That's all. The only thing that causes crime is socioeconomic factors, and you're not allowed to go any further. You catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive by design. They move you, even before you drive.

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able to see another group. Now, a lot of people will say, well, people are, if you're in power, you're being paid or you're being blackmail not to see this. No one is being, everything is an op. To some people, everything is an op. But also social engineering is very real. And I think that's one of, the problems is that if you, if you can't see that one group is in charge and has a babysitter for everyone in Congress except Thomas Massey, according to Thomas Massey. How are you going to be able to see that any other group is seeking to take power? Look, without fully agreeing with you, I'm going to say this. The theology on which Western leader operate is the theology of World War II and the post-World War II

order, which fundamentally understands Europeans as criminals and other groups as their victims, any other group. This is a mind virus. This is very much a mind virus. And it's impossible to say that actually different groups have different identities, therefore different values, therefore different values. and different interests, which makes it more important to state that loudly and clearly. Nixon did a perfect job of it. He said, I'm a full-on ally of Israel. I want to support Israel, but some Jewish Americans think that what is everything good for Israel is automatically good for America. I'm the president of America. I think that the interests of America sometimes diverge, and I will put them first above the interests of Israel. It's simple.

And he even cloaked it as saying, well, not only that, that is also Israel's actual interest if they were as wise as I am. And that's where we need, that's where we need to go. If Israel wants to be, I wrote for Claremont about this, if Israel, as Strauss argued, is part of the West. And Strauss was no Zionist. I mean, he obviously very much cared about the welfare of the, of the Jewish people. He said that was his entire esoteric purpose was to make the world safe for,

that Jews could live in peace, was the quote that Jaffa gave in his, in his little known interview with University of Chicago. But he was very concerned that Zionism would remove the very spirituality that allowed Jews to live at peace in the world. In other words, if they weren't governed by, some commitment to

God-given morality and spirituality, they would soon become a scourge upon the earth, was kind of his thinking. So, but he argued that Jerusalem is

part of the West, but for it to be part of the West, it has to look up, not down upon who the West's leader is. And regardless, I don't care who you are, the United States is the leader of the West right now. And so a united, the current foreign, the current domestic and foreign policy of Israel is detrimental to the West. What they are doing is hurting both there and the U.S. and the wider West reputation. And furthermore, it's driving Iran and Russia further into the arms of China and a united,

Eurasia under China is death to the West. Absolutely. It doesn't mean it will kill every single Westerner. What I mean is it is death for the leadership of any hope of the leadership of the West in the world's middle and long term future. And the lack of understanding, if when I, you know, and I wrote hopefully cogently about it, got a lot of clicks, then suddenly I'm being labeled, well, you're just, you have these secret, you know, Annie Simmons. I'm, I'm, you know, Pete's been around me. That's not,

the point is that's exactly what you said. What is in their best interest is, is being aligned with understanding what the, what the larger best interests are, not the narrow focused self-interest. And so it's, and that's, this is a very, very hard, nut to crack right now. I'm trying to write on it. I'm trying to write on it in a gracious way and in a way that is not ultra sectarian or anything,

because that's not my intention. But I do want what's best for the United States, and I think that's what's best in the long term for the survival of a cohesive Western culture and civilization. And I'm glad, we kind of got into this because I wanted to talk. This is something I wanted really to get your thoughts on for us. So a couple of things. Israel has lost the capacity to think strategically.

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There's another 10 million. These are huge countries. You need to be able to play them off against each other and have decent relations with both. And if not, at least you need to have a relationship with Iran, to work with Iran, to counter Turkey, and maybe find a way to appease Egypt. This is Strategy 101 if you're stuck in the Middle East. You've got to at least have a three-legged stool. Yes. My original community before I converted is Druze. We're a minority community that's been there for a thousand years.

Everybody's tried to destroy us at some point. You know? And this is something that is in our genes that you must figure out a way to have a functioning relationship with people who hate you. The Israelis are incapable of thinking this way, at least, this government and this government is led by Israel's longest serving prime minister and the most effective coalition builder in Israel Benjamin Netanyahu to give him credit where credit is due they see the Iranians as a threat they see

the Egyptians as a threat they see the Gulf Arabs as a threat and the Turks as a threat they all might be threats fair enough when you're a minority everybody looks like a threat. But part of acting as a minority in power is being confident enough to make temporary arrangements. So the Israelis are trying to block a U.S.-Iran deal. Even though after what we saw in Yemen, it's very obvious that the U.S. will not lose a shooting war against Iran, but it won't win one either. Right. There is no... That's a pretty, that's a pretty defensible country. Extremely so. And they've borrowed under the mountains. Their nuclear sites are deep, deep, deep in the mountains. So are their missile bases. So are their drone bases. They can keep firing for a

very long time. If the United States with two aircraft carriers couldn't do anything against the Houthi, who are fully exposed, it won't be able to do much against the Iranians. That's right. And no one's going to cross that salt desert. Nobody's invading Iran. Nobody's invading Iran. Absolutely. The Israelis are trying to obstruct this when really one of the few rational plays that they have is to work with the Iranians to prop up a few other communities in the Middle East in the face of Turkey.

And the Gulf Arabs and Egypt, because they're terrified of Turkey, would support them. But they're so adamant on achieving the unachievable in Gaza. which is the destruction of Hamas. And Hamas is just a genuine expression of the Palestinian people, and that's a horrible thing to say about the Palestinians. I want to emphasize this. That's an insult to the Palestinians, that Hamas is legitimate, but it is. And the Israelis are just incapable of getting past this and finding a way to operate strategically.

So Trump has begun firing a couple of key officials responsible for the Middle East, including a gentleman who had been at the Washington Institute, an actual dual Israeli-American citizen, and a lady who is a convert to Judaism who is responsible for the Lebanon file. All three of those are being dismissed. This is good news because it points to an Exonian approach. which is right now where the American establishment is the best available approach. So we're seeing Trump try to do this, and we're seeing him try to reconcile with Russia,

but he's not exerting enough pressure on the Ukrainians. He's not telling Elon Musk to switch off Starlink, which would cause the collapse of the Ukrainians and fix the problem with Russia, because he's afraid that Russia would go further. Baltics or Finland. And it's a legitimate fear. The Russians won't feel safe until they reach the Carpathian Mountains and until they've consolidated over the Baltics. That's just the geography of St. Petersburg.

Geography is merciless. So we're still... The fold of gap is still... The fold of the gap is still a gap. Exactly. Exactly. So we're starting to see a shift towards realism on the part of the Americans. And this is the only player that counts,

or it's the most, the Americans are the most important player in the Middle East. If we see this shift, and if we see the imposition of some discipline on Israel, we could start seeing shifts in strategy. But it's really a test case. And this is happening at a time when the Americans are getting ready to withdraw from Syria,

they had eight bases in Syria, they've consolidated them into one, this is usually a prelude to a full withdrawal, which means that Turkey is going to fully take Syria. And so the Israelis are going to look around them, and they're going to see the Turks in Cyprus, they're going to see the Turks in North Lebanon, and they're going to see the Turks in at least half of Syria, if not more. They've got to get realistic.

They have to get realistic, but they are incapable of thinking strategically right now. All they see around them is enemies with zero opportunities for localized compromises, which you must do if you're a minority in the Middle East. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design, they move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. for Mentor, Leon and Terramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro.

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And I know the answers, no, they don't. But my concern is Russia loses that deep water port into the, into the med. They are, they're going to lose their ability to counter Chinese influence, and especially in Northern Africa. And this is a concern of mine. It may not be a concern of America, you know, of the American powers that be right now. But, you know, again, if we're talking about a three-legged stool. I'd at least like to see a two-legged stool in Africa because the Africans, with few exceptions, are seen pretty incapable of self-governance. So they're going to be very, as they always have been. And again, I'm just trying to be real. They're always going to be subject to

foreign influence. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of, you know, that, that continent, is massive and has not been depleted of its natural resources whatsoever. So do you see, you know, if Russia loses that Syrian port, they're going to have, you know, then they're completely dependent upon the Turks for getting in and for Bosphorus Dardanelles. That gives the Turks an awful lot of power. That's already happened. The Russian port is fully vulnerable to drone strikes by Turkey's allies. Okay. Well, that's what I figure, but...

Yeah, and the reason this hasn't happened was because Asat fell by some kind of arrangement between Russia and Turkey and perhaps Israel as a sort of final blow to Hezbollah. But in reality, Assad was key to the region stability, just as Saddam was key to the region's stability. Right. And there is no learning on the part of the Israelis. It was Natanjahou who advocated very aggressive. for the overthrow of Saddam, he didn't learn his lesson, he then went and advocated for the overthrow of Assad.

Even though the Israelis were fully informed of all of the military movements of Hezbollah in Syria, possibly by the Syrians themselves, they were telling, they were sending WhatsApp messages to the Syrian Ministry of Defense and to the head of Syrian intelligence, telling them which shipments they had detected and what they would do if these shipments were allowed to go through. That's how much information they had on Syria. And yet, with all of that intelligence, they couldn't think about it strategically. The Quran has beautiful passages, much as I disagree with it. One of them is about how when God is angry with the people, he blinds their hearts and their eyes and closes their ears.

It sort of feels like this. It's sort of feels this is what the Israelis are suffering from. That sounds like Isaiah too. Yes, yes, because a lot of the Quran is sort of is Jewish Salafism that accepts that Christ, is important. Yeah. That's what the other is. With some, with a little bit,

it seems like a little bit of that mid-first millennium Gnostic influence a little bit. Nestorian and Nestorian. Yeah. Yeah. Very nice. Question. Did you see, I don't know if it's credible.

I saw, I got an alert that Zelensky was on an airplane to Washington. overnight. You heard anything about this? I haven't seen this yet. Yeah. I don't know if it's true. I haven't been looking at that, but I haven't seen this yet. It was tracking his end number for those of you in aviation. You know, it's from a source that's normally pretty reputable, but we'll see.

Had made a stopover in Iceland, so. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Well, look, if Trump has any sense, he's saying this isn't my war. Drop it. Drop him. Well, again, as Pete has alluded to, I think he's, there are a lot of influences that are, you know, that are making that difficult for him to drop it. Both from not a purely, not simply on the ethnic issues, but also on.

on the man that's been a profitable grift for a long time a lot of people it's it's been a lot of people for a lot of people well i think the real the real question is and i was talking to tom loongo about this was we know europe wants to keep this going city of london e u wants this war to keep going. Yes. And I actually floated the idea to Longo, and he said he was going to think about it, that is this an opportunity for Russia to have, for Russia to give and whoever may be working behind the scenes with them, give Europe, the EU and the city of London, their own Vietnam,

where they are just, where Russia, because they, They have their own factories, you know, as Lutwock would say if you don't make your own, you're not a free country unless you make your own weapons and everything. So Russia can do this forever. Yes. Are they willing to, if Trump pulls us out, if Musk turns off Starlink, Is the EU and the city of London willing to take over and keep this going? And does that just slowly grind them down and destroy their power as well?

Well, look at it this way. If you look at the national debt of Britain, it's 100 to 106% of GDP with a 5% deficit. France, I think it's 120 with a 6% deficit. Italy, Spain, almost economic basket cases. Germany just decided that it was going to allow its debt to explode. It had a constitutional limit on it. Now it's going to borrow as much as it needs to. Russia's debt to GDP is maybe 25%.

Something like that. And their deficit is around 1-2% of GDP. So they're growing faster than the deficit is growing, meaning that their debt to GDP is falling, which is the inverse for most of Western Europe. Sounds like a Christian culture. Say again? Well, it sounds like a manifested Christian culture.

I know that's going to bother people. Yeah. That's going to bother the certain tribe that controls everyone crowd, definitely. Something that I don't buy into. I mean, Russia's history, especially in the last. I would say 30 to 35 to 40 years shows that there's an animosity. You can look at Rhodesia and see the animosity. See who was supplying weapons to what side.

And you can see the animosity. Yeah. Keep going, Ferres. You're doing good stuff. So when you look at it from this perspective, from this just purely materialistic economic perspective, the West is in no position to actually do this for a long time. When you look at it from the perspective of immigration, which is where we started this conversation,

I'm telling my clients not to ensure assets that are vulnerable to rioting in major European cities. Because I see a pretty serious risk of escalations and rounds of rioting. And at the top of my list are Ireland, Britain, France, Belgium. So these countries are enormously vulnerable. Taking it to the Americans perspective, if they want to keep Europe intact, they need to make Europe lose this war quickly. Mm-hmm. To sort of wake them up to reality. Right.

Rather than prop them up indefinitely. but the Americans are so attached in terms of financial institutions and in terms of defense establishment and in terms of NATO to Europe that it isn't clear how they can navigate this. And this is happening at a time where there is a serious domestic crisis brewing in the United States. There is a constitutional crisis brewing between the executive and the judiciary. there is a constitutional crisis brewing between the states and perhaps all three states of the Western Sea Board and the federal government. And with the spending issue, it might become a crisis between Congress and the administration.

So I'm trying to write a piece here arguing that we're moving from the long polychromes. crisis to the great emergency, to what I would describe as the great emergency. And this is solely dependent on the outcome of what happens with the riots in the United States. If you look at these riots, they're highly organized. These are activists who have been training to do this for many years, who have a very skilled playbook on how to play the media and to spin the narrative and to rally support. everything from putting babies in the front lines of protests to how to use barricades to

how to impose decision dilemmas, etc., etc. The Olinsky playbook, essentially, that's being deployed against the state with the full support of the Democratic Party. Everybody in the Democratic Party who has spoken about the protests has done so in a mealy-mouthed way, intending to blame the violence on the state enforcing the law rather than on the lawbreakers. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive.

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this is a color revolution in action and you see Norm Eisen's fat fingers all over this and you see this process of trying to force a crisis now on Trump and then you wonder well what happens if he declares

that certain states are in a state of insurrection yeah does he federalize them yeah and what kind of constitutional crisis do we end up with because you can't California, any more than you can occupy Iran. You can bring borders in some cities, and you can break protesters in some places, but you need some kind of political legitimacy. And what's happening now, in the same way that you have the leftist Islamist alliance

in Western Europe, you have a leftist Latino alliance that is emerging, and I smell cartel money. Mm-hmm. Well, that's what I hear. That's especially after, especially considering what the Mexican president said, that smells very corrupt. So I always remind clients that, look,

Shinebound, when she was mayor of Mexico City, statistically brought down the murder rate. The disappearance rate shot through the roof. To do her a favor, the cartels began disappearing people rather than killing them, rather than showing them up from bridges. Exactly, exactly. That points to a very close relationship. Amen.

I'm glad you said it. And this is a once-in-a-century opportunity for Mexico to gain a lot more influence over the southern United States and to reclaim what they believe land that was originally theirs. So you're seeing this sort of slow-moving, crashing train heading towards the great emergency. And God knows what ends up happening and how things change. But with a spiritual crisis, it ends up manifesting in a material crisis. So the people become unbelievers and then there's a flood. the people try to reach God and then there is the Tower of Babel.

It always ends up having a material manifestation. Now, nobody in analysis will say to you, oh, the spiritual and the material are connected. And I don't understand why are you an analysis then? Why are you trying to look at the world? Like, just be an economist and count beans or something. It's all dark. It's all dark energy, dark matter. We just have to, we've got to find a plug for the equation to make the spiritual go away.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Just call it action sort of assume it away or something. We're just in a simulation. Yeah, yeah. What I'm looking at is what I'm seeing and tell me if I'm wrong. I'm seeing that we've reached a point where in the United States, and probably in Europe too, that you have to govern like your assumption is that your enemy will never be in power again. And that seems to be the way people are, that's the way, it seems to be the way people are governing,

but they're not doing, the mistake is you're not doing anything to make sure that doesn't happen. Yes. So everything seems like a band-aid and until you're willing to, you know, cross the Rubicon, and I mean, sending Marines, a lot of people would say sending Marines into Los Angeles and not MPs, but troops, into Los Angeles is crossing the Rubicon. But the problem is that even nowadays, when people cross Rubicon, they just decides to set up camp on the other side instead of keeping on going. If you get what I, if you get what I mean. There's no decisiveness.

The issue is, let's go back to the comparison to Medan. and we can put on our tinfoil hats a little bit. You know, there were the snipers. And the question is, is whose side were the snipers on when a couple of heads got popped on TV that everybody saw, especially throughout Europe? Yeah. The other side would love nothing more

than some 20-something, you know, crazy Antifa, but female protester get her head popped by a 5-5-6 round. While she's holding a baby. Well, she's holding, whatever it is, right? And so it's a delicate, unless you're going to, again, tinfoil hat. I'm not saying this is part of the, but you know, unless you're willing to, you know, put an EMP at 20,000 feet over Southern California and turn all the lights out.

including the broadcast towers and all the computers, you can't do what is, you can't do what is possibly necessary in order to bring order. So the question is, is it's, you're just walking a tightrope and it's super windy. And there's no net. And I, you know, I have a lot of respect for what, what they're doing so far because I think they're doing a pretty good job of saying,

hey, that sure looks like an enemy combatant. There's chaos and they're flying a foreign flag. And we're going to respond by putting forces in to make sure they're contained. But they haven't gone willy-nilly and put a chain gun on a group of people. Which exactly, they shouldn't do. So go in, support the deportation, round people up who are rioting. and you know I saw a great supposedly they've got some plainclothes folks who are identifying the leaders vanning those people away and that takes time it's not what you know when I see the pictures and I get

fired up I'm like this is the United States of America you know and and what's really sad is there's a lot of Hispanics who've been here multiple generations who are going to get just like the Japanese in California during World War II who had been here for multiple generations, who are going to get caught in this cultural crossfire, which is sad. I know because I know we own apartment complexes and we've got some awesome Hispanic.

They're like, why are these people doing this? Because it's just going to come down on me. And I love America. I don't want any illegal immigration. I don't want any of this. So I think they're acting with as much wisdom as can be expected right now, even though it's frustrating for those of us who would liken a quick reprisal, so to speak. So far, I think they're doing a pretty good job.

Do you think they could do anything different right now for us? No, I think other than sort of these guys try to break down their own protest into stages or into zones and areas where one of them is violent, one of them is just shutting down roads and causing disruption, and one of them is peaceful. Unfortunately,

because a big part of the Latino community must be kept on side, because they haven't done anything wrong, firstly, and because that's generally a good thing to do, the state must play by those rules and sort of focus on the violent elements, focus on the leaders, focus on the financiers. What I really want to see

is a concerted effort to follow the money. To say that this guy bought 100 shields and dropped them at a protest site and he's being arrested for that. And he's being interrogated to identify where he got the money to buy them, given that he's probably a bum or a student or something like that. Who's the cutout? Exactly.

So I want to see that step happening. But that's also something that is difficult and takes time, and it requires very good interrogation techniques in order to cross-reference stories from different actors that have been picked up doing this. I want to see a focus on the logistics of the protesters. who's providing them with what and where is it coming from? The issue is that given the nature of the urban sprawl in most of America, it's very hard to do this and to properly lock up areas. Here the police follow the ketling tactic. They place the protesters in a narrow area and they just keep on tightening it.

And then when they force them out, they do the arrests. America's urban geography makes this a little bit harder. I'm really worried about a scenario. So in the Lebanese Civil War and in the Syrian Civil War, there were many times where there were talks, and then nobody knew who started firing. And who was doing the shooting. If you had a side, you would say it was the other side.

But if you were neutral, you'd say, I have no idea. I worry about this. I very much worry about this, about this kind of dynamic where you start seeing unattributable acts of violence that trigger a wider escalation. And I'm worried that the Democrats are planning to increase the volume of the protests and their dispersal so that the state wouldn't have enough troops to throw at anyone problem. them. I'm concerned that they're using this tactic with the explicit intent of over-stretching the

state and creating the impression that there is a wide insurrection and therefore inviting retribution that goes overboard and that flips the media narrative in their favor. I do worry about these things. But I'm curious about what you've heard about cartel money. I've heard the say you know saw the same things you did about the Mexican president when she was a mayor in you know I travel not extensively but a fair amount in Mexico I absolutely adore the Yucatan love the people it's a little far afield but but but there were these concerns even among the people of a lot of people sure disappearing you know while she was mayor um and that's uh and then uh you know when there have been the the uh the uh air force uh intelligence gathering the r c oh 145 135 um i'm forgetting the has been doing the uh international uh international run up uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh the Sea of Cortez.

And that usually means that there's paramilitary cartel activity going on in northern Mexico because are trying to get the radio traffic. And that's been very active since Trump took over. So all these things just point to me to cartel activity being subversive. in that trans-border area, both sides. So that's all. They have a huge interest in this, and there is every precedent for narcotorrorism,

and they have a huge interest in disrupting Trump as much as possible, because the last thing that they want is a secure border. Of course. Of course. So this is a major... They don't want a secure border, and they don't want a situation where mules aren't easily tracked.

The president of Mexico's Senate, who I think he was Secretary of State last year and traveled to the United States to campaign against Trump, he said two days ago that, you know, if this continues, if you want to wage a war on Mexico, we're going to take back to 1830 borders. This is just escalation. I mean, this is, I mean, they have no chance of doing.

So the only reason they're they're doing that is to me that's a signal to people within this country to certain elements within this country to keep you know to go to I'm and it's almost like I think it's almost like a trigger yeah because we know that we know this cartel influence in this country. I mean wide influence and and yeah there's no one really and not by political influence it's just stupid not to do it yeah there's There's no other reason to do this. And then let's remember something else. If people need to follow Mike Shelby on Twitter, it's gray zone at gray zone intel with an A. He follows all of this. He follows the left, like the indivisibles, all these groups.

He follows them and tells you exactly what they're planning. And he reminds us that Trump has said that this operation in L.A. is planned for 30 days. So we haven't even seen this start either this is going to fizzle out or it's going to get, it's going to escalate. And I don't, it's the summer months. It's June. I don't see this fizzling out. I'm betting on escalation. And maybe Ron, you can sort of help educate us on this.

When does this start affecting financial markets? Well, I mean, I think it, I think it Well, oil's been going up the past two days. I mean, yeah. I think it affects financial markets if you see a contagion outside of California. Right now or a contagion that begins to impact. I mean, let's just be where do that, where does the financial set like to vacation. You know, this gets down into deep Orange County, Laguna. This starts impacting northern

San Diego. Then the visibility, I mean, not to be brazen, but a lot of the financial community is like, L.A. County is a disaster anyway. It just burned up, you know, now they've got riots. I mean, I think they discount a lot of it. Yeah. But if you begin to see a, the true suburbs, not the urban area, unable for people to go to Costco, to Home Depot, to Lowe's. You begin to see a home, you know, you've already got the highest home inventories in L.A. County that you've had in a long time. But those really start to fall off to where the broker, not the brokerage, but the mortgage companies begin to see pain. Right. Because nobody's wanted to buy.

anything. Now you've got, now it begins. Or you see, for instance, the police and the city handled, there was announced protest on the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge here in Dallas last night. And the police were out in force and they said, this is an unlawful, this is an unlawful assembly. And they started rounding people. They were ready. And it, just went away. So I didn't just go away, but but it was it didn't become this big thing. Yep. But you see a successful protest that shuts down an, you know, an urban center outside of California, then I think you have a chance for the financial markets to, to be impacted. Or you see the cartel, something that's an obvious cartel move across, across, across,

the border, you know, in southern San Diego, or they make a move into Del Rio or one of the big plazas, as they call them, then, then, you know, I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think you're going to see more, the cartels have gotten very good at their intelligence, you know, the operation side of their intelligence. They act with. great sophistication. You know, Mexico has a non-existent air force and not a very good army. Their Navy is actually decent. People don't realize that.

The sailing ship fiasco in New York, notwithstanding, they have that because they actually put money in effort into their Navy. They have the third largest Navy in our hemisphere. People don't realize that. So where the cartels, you know, really do have the cartels have a presence on the ground in kind of a paramilitary and then an operational intelligence that is that is operational into the United States. And that's very, very hard to combat unless you do what Russia is doing in, in. The Russian touching piece of, you know, the part of Ukraine that is, that, that touches Russia, that's the only way you wipe, you know, you're going to wipe that out is if you basically make a neutral zone.

Yeah. And something drastic would have to happen for us to actually do that other than just fortify the border. But the border, as long as you've got border crossing, it's going to be tough to do much about this. What I worry about is the Chinese deciding that they're going to provide the right kind of drones in sufficient volume to the cartels, which can easily afford these kinds of drones. Yeah. Or the Iranians. Anti-tank weapons, that kind of equipment that then gets used in an insurgency. because I don't think of the cartels as criminal gangs.

I think about them as insurgent groups. Well, they are the acting government in northern Mexico. Yes. Save, save, you know, save a couple of urban areas. Mexico is a very, unless you are on the level of sophistication of a United States or Israel or very, very first world country. Mexico's geography is just makes for very difficult dispersed government, governance. It's mountainous and desert and it's, it is very much set up for a federal system, which in theory, that's what they have.

What they have in reality is central Mexico is governed by Mexico City, northern Mexico is governed by the cartel. with, you know, negotiated settlements via, you know, money-changing hands. And then, and then southern Mexico, a weird hybrid with a lot of leftist guerrilla groups. And so to think of Mexico as this monolithic state being run from Mexico city is just not the way it is on the ground. And so, and that's a real problem. I mean, but we've allowed it. We've allowed it. We've, it's our money that finances that. Yes. It's, it's our turning the other way. You know, we allowed what amounted to a communist revolution in the early part of the last century. And that ran out the church that that basically subdued the Catholic church. There's still a Catholic

church presence there but it is not the centralized governing presence that you that that that you saw prior to the rep the mexican revolution and we look the other way um because the will the wilsonian idea was you know let them kind of do their thing and it was so so we're we're we are harvesting the fruit that we sowed a long time ago yeah it should be i'm not arguing that it should be a satrappy or a vassal state but it absolutely should be a client state and uh and it's not um the fact that cuba and and and and mexico uh i will get into the canadian thing that's a different thing that that has traditionally been a a european state but but but Cuba, Honduras, and Mexico, for them to be allowed to exist as they have for the past 50, 60 years is a complete and utter failure of American projected, of Monroe Doctrine.

So that's my opinion. I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. My only thought about this is that when I think about the demographic change in the United States and the number of Hispanics, who are now in the United States, with the issue of remigration or whatever you want to call it, coming to the fore, with the issue of mass deportations coming to the four, this is a territory that's ripe for insurgency. This is a territory, including big chunks of Southern California, including big urban areas in the United States.

these are areas where a combination of left-wing agitation and criminality can seriously disrupt and destabilize the states. And if I was the cartels and my precursors for fentanyl are all coming from China, and China is willing to sell me weapons, and there is this increased escalation in their relationship between China and the United States, What I would work for over the next four years is the full destabilization of the U.S. To help China consolidate over its own sphere of influence in Asia while keeping the United States on the back foot.

And you therefore end up in a season of madness and extreme instability where these leftist agitators build on an existing ethnic grievance from the Latino community in order to create an insurgency that empowers the cartels, who are the new barons of Mexico at the end of the day? Right. The aristocracy of Mexico, if you want to think about it in this way. This is the oligarchy of Mexico. It's the oligarchy.

And we've seen an example of this play out. We saw when, think about it this way, the CIA's support of the Chechens in southern Russia is exactly is although the Chechens didn't have the the complete they didn't have the oligarchical if we're going to call it that support they did have some Muslim money some Arab money coming in they absolutely did and they had CIA paramilitary support some suggest as much as there were even advisors on the ground there through cutouts Again, we didn't have uniform people there.

Obviously, that's Russian territory. But we absolutely were supporting the Chechens. The Chechens who remember killed, how many children were killed in that school? Yeah. So I think this is a, it's not an exactly coherent analogy, but it is, it is an analog to that. And we could see the, we could see the cartels borrowing from that playbook, absolutely. Because remember, remember back when Los Zetas was powerful, it was, they were trained by this. They came to power because they were trained by the operational, the operations director of the CIA.

That's where they got their equipment, their training. And there's still, there's still a, that's the Zetas morphed into a couple of different cartels. But the leadership now, it's been enough time to where that playbook is absolutely there. Yeah. That's my big concern because you have an economic time bomb and Trump is right about this, and Musk is right about this, that this is an economic time bomb. You have a debate within the right. Should the cultural issue and the broader agenda supersede the. economic agenda and that debate has been won thanks to the riots that we're seeing.

You have the Democrats understanding that if Trump is successful, the result of this would be a reduction in their number of House seats and in their allocations and the funding that they get. And they see that they've gone insane and are extremely unpopular. and so to retain their power, they must fight for it. And they have a cartel army willing to fight for them. And they already have this sort of ethnic alliance that is agitating for it. And the logical conclusion of it is going to be this thing getting considerably worse. So I don't see it fizzling out.

I think they have all of the actors that matter have an interest in this escalating the question is do they get some kind of popular cover through protests that allows them to spread this across multiple cities if they do I would see that as an extremely negative indicator I would see that as the start of a civil war in the United States

I've been writing about the possibility of a civil war in the U.S. Some people call me crazy for even thinking about it. But there is this broken national cohesion, broken national identity. But at the same time, because so much of the United States is still Christian, there is a willingness to fight, especially among the military and the special forces in the military, who are predominantly white, and who are increasingly Christian. So this fight can expand quite significantly. And it has a mirror image in Western Europe with the Islamists who are in control of crime

in Western Europe, playing the same role, with the left playing the same exact. on both sides of the Atlantic. This is why I'm saying that we're moving from the sort of permacrisis, poly crisis, whatever you want to call it, that's been on the outskirts of the West to something that is happening internally. And that's the shift that I'm beginning to see. people have been writing about civil war in the United States for the better part of three or four decades and we don't know how it happens it's not clear these are the events that could lead to it

a street protest movement that is mixed with criminal money that is mixed with foreign support that plays on an existing ethnic grievance that leads to a to something potentially life-changing. That's it. You invite foreign armies to take this all the way back to immigration. We've invited foreign armies into our countries. Yes. And we don't understand that unless that is taking care of quickly. I'm also someone who's been talking about Civil War.

Civil War. I'm not talking about the whole country fighting at once, but it's going to be pockets of areas here and there. They've become uninhabitable for long periods of time until it stops. But the question is who wins. And if you have, if it's foreign, if it's foreigners who are doing a great deal of this fighting, really who wins in the end? I mean, you do when when you see, when you the president of the Senate of Mexico putting up a map and the 1830 map of Mexico, well, we don't want to believe as Americans, we don't want to believe that that's even possible. And I think it's impossible. But if you let it get too far, if they gain too much of a foothold in one place and then

you have, I mean, endless foreign money, let's remember. were Time magazine back in the 80s had Pablo Escobar on their top 10 list of richest people in the world. There's a reason for that. So how much money does, how much money do the cartels really have? And when I look at the president of the Senate out there talking about this, I'm not thinking, oh, this is going to be the government of Mexico doing it. No, it's going to be a paramilitary force that's going to try to do this.

Well, I mean, come on. Come on. And then take into consideration, the same thing could happen in England overnight. If you look at the, unfortunately, being from the Middle East, I feel like a civil war expert. If you look at the Lebanese civil war, some of the best parties in Beirut happened during the civil war. So the best ever New Year's parties happened during the war. In Syria, you could still go and have a drink in Damascus up until it fell, and now you can have a drink again, incidentally. Civil wars don't sort of explode everywhere at once.

It's a sort of slow-moving fire that jumps around from place to place, and there are some realities on the ground, you can't sort of get past it. The thing that's enabling the cartels more than anything is this spiritual crisis in America that is leading so many people to drug addictions. And these addictions are financing the enemies of civilization and decency. And now these enemies have captured the Mexican state. The president of the Mexican state is an ally of the cartels. And they have a massive chip on their shoulder.

And they have a Russian ally and an Iranian ally and a Chinese ally who are willing to have them. We've seen Iran moving around Latin America and all kinds of ways. There are even stories about some of the families of Hezbollah fighters moving to South America. And you have this tinderbox brought about by the idea that diversity is our strength. just talk to somebody from Lebanon for five minutes and I'll explain to you why that's not true. And it's ready. We're accelerating towards the crisis. And people don't understand the practical impact of this.

Like having to check the radio every morning before you leave your house to see if there are checkpoints on your way to work. having to constantly have stockpiles at home of everything that you might need because you don't know when you're going to be locked in for a couple of weeks trying to figure out who will move into which neighbor's house if the fighting comes close to your neighborhood it isn't chaos everywhere at once it isn't everybody dies at the same moment life continues, people continue to go to work,

people continue to make money, trade continues, all kinds factories continue to operate, etc. But then when the war comes to your area, your factory gets looted and your house gets looted. And I'm worried about the scenario. One of the reasons I left the U.S., I went and lived in the U.S. from 2017 to 2019, one of the reasons I left was a sense of foreboding, a sense that this is going to blow.

You know, let me interrupt you for a sec. I had an Indian gentleman on my show, Giant Bandari. I don't know if you guys know who he is. He said when he moved to the U.S., the reason he left was the same exact thing. He said even why he lived in Canada for a while, he said he left Canada. He said, I don't think Americans can see. see it like we can see it from the outside. Yes. Yes. I'm from a, I'm from the most paranoid minority in the Middle East second only to the Jews in our paranoia. Um, you know, I'm saying

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying this is this is what keeps minorities alive in a sea of hostile aliens, you know, it is what it is. Um, I felt it. I felt it. I, I, And it was absolutely safe where I was. I was absolutely fine. Nobody ever threatened me. Nothing happened to sort of physically tell me this was the case. But I was meeting with people and I was talking to them. And the sheer hatred between different groups in the US was truly striking.

You felt it physically when you went to a black area. Like the only places where I felt I should leave now was when there were black, when there was a big number of black people around. But that's not only it. Even when you talked to the most sophisticated people in DC, you had a sense that they absolutely hated at least half of the country. And that always translates into something physical. In Syria, a couple of years before the war the level of sectarianism that people had in any private conversation was just insane just absolutely insane and i had the same sense in the u.s yeah i think people are getting even people who are are reasonable and well-educated and generally patient are getting pretty, again, you start,

some of the images you're seeing do things to people, right? And I will say that. That only one side will govern. Sorry, sorry to interrupt you. No, not all. that only one side will govern and that the two sides won't coexist. That's right. That's what these...

And... Yeah. And you... There comes a point where not that it's some strategic, well-thought-out deal, it's just enough people say, I've had enough. Yeah. And it boils over. Yes.

you know, and it, and and this is true of people across cultures and throughout world. It's just a point to where, okay, we've had enough. And I, what is interesting is that conflict tends to unite. And for good or ill, you know, this kind of a neocon, and I am the farthest thing from a on. But part of their, you know, the East Coast Straussian, so to speak, idea of being kind of functionally Spartan that the reason that they're always wanting there to be some kind of war that you're involved in at all times and conquest is, well, that's what unites a people, right? That's, I think, I'm very well. What's that?

That sounds very ethnic. Right. That sounds like something ethnic. Well. In the ethnic, yeah. But it's certainly not what Strauss argued for. I laugh at the East Coasters, but it's a, it's the, you see that used as a, anyway, we don't have to. That's a whole other topic for another day.

we're getting along on this episode. But, but, uh, let's let's let's, let's wrap it. Let's wrap it up then. Um, I think this was a great talk. And I'm so glad that we had a rational discussion about civil war and how it happens and how it, how it's, I mean, I think it's inevitable in this country. So I think we just painted a picture of it that people, I hope we're wrong. People can see. I do too. I mean, Obviously, I don't want it. I'm here.

I'm here. I don't want it. Ron's in a city. I'm not. Ron's more. It'd be worse off for Ron. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I need to get on Zillow. We've talked about that before we started recorded. Yeah. It's a good time to buy. All right. All right, Ron, do your plugs. This is real. These are not plugs.

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Ferris? Yeah, you can find me on modadgeopolitics.com and on Modad, GEOP on Twitter. Until the next time, gentlemen. Yeah, yes, very much so. I have, yeah, I have notifications turned on. But yes, thank you. And until the next time, let's do this again, you know, after a while, I'm sure. Like I said, apparently this thing is supposed to be going on in L.A. for 30 days.

So we have much we could talk about in 30 days. Thanks, Pete. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.