The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1230: The Importance of Aesthetics w/ NotMeNotYou

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

61 MinutesPG-13Pete is joined by fellow Old Glory Club member NotMeNotYou to talk about the importance of aesthetics to any man, woman or group wishing to be taken seriously.The Metaphysics of DressOld Glory Club YouTube ChannelOld Glory Club SubstackOld Glory Club WebsitePete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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will soon be dying of a wet bulb heats that I am told by the experts, no human can survive. So rest in peace. I'm glad that we could get this in before. happened. I think I'll be okay. Thank you though. This is um I'm sure people have heard us on streams on old glory club streams together but it's the first time uh you've been on the show so what you want to tell anybody you want to tell everybody you know as much as you want about yourself so I know it's because I always have fresh takes but I was on one time before with the North Carolina relief. Ah, that's right. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that was us. That wasn't us talking about something, you know, you and me. Well, yeah, it was. Shit. Fucking hell, man. Yeah, it's not that you don't have fresh takes. It's it, I'm getting old. I mean, that was a big one.

We've got a lot of young men who said that you hosting that show and getting the word out or the reason that they went down there. so it was a good i am i am tempted to start this again because i sound freaking senile i mean i didn't didn't um didn't a certain someone clip part of that and like use it and we yeah holy fucking shit dude sorry for cursing everyone all right so everybody knows who you are all right I really am getting old. But the, yeah, I asked you to come on today to talk about, we're not going to talk about Israel.

We're not going to talk about Gaza. We're not going to talk about Iran. We are going to talk about something that I consider, and this is a compliment, I consider you to be an expert on. And that is aesthetics. So, I don't know, where do we want to start talking about this?

I guess the easiest way is why should aesthetics be so important to our guys, but maybe when you look at the history of, you know, great movements and great groups, aesthetics has always played a part. Oh, yeah, aesthetics plays a part in all human endeavors, whether or not they can reach heights that we would call greatness or be brought low, as some hated thing largely is dependent on the aesthetics that they embrace. I mean, we hear all the time people saying aesthetics precedes politics. And the reason for that is that aesthetics is fundamentally the way that humans orient themselves

in the world. And of course, when we're talking about aesthetics, in this regard, I'm talking about visual. The things that we see tell us about everything about the world around us and where we fit into it. So if your aesthetic surroundings are ugly, then you're going to take on some of those characteristics because you have to orient yourself within that surrounding. So it is a lot of people don't think much of it, and especially because we live in a modern day where we're all told that the appearance of a thing isn't important that you should judge, you know,

another person by who they are. But an aesthetic, a person's aesthetic is part of who they are. It is an external expression of inner strength, of the inner being. I don't know if that sounds like a good place to kick off on. Well, what I immediately jump to when I think of aesthetic, is high school, unfortunately. There were all clicks. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Yeah, because you had different clicks and they had different aesthetics. Yeah, and this was one of those important things. You know, people lament the death of subcultures due to the internet. But when I was in high school, I was a part of the clique and our aesthetic, We were all metal heads. So our aesthetic was, you know, dark and brooding and very cringe.

But it set us apart from the other people who didn't share the types of things that we were into. So that right there, the differences between groups and what they what they care about is put on full display. And when you adopt the aesthetics of the people around you that are a part of your clique or a part of your tribe, you're opting in. to being readily identified as part of that tribe. So yeah, high school totally makes sense.

Were you also a metalhead in high school? I was a metalhead in high school, yes. Always had a concert tea under my shirt and tie for Catholic school. In senior year, you were allowed to throw the tie. You didn't have to wear a tie anymore. So most of us who are little click, we would wear our shirt open as much as possible. You know, unbutton our shirt as much as possibly so you can see the shirts. But yeah, you know, you had that click.

Obviously in New York City, the black guys hung out with each other. Asians hung out with each other. But, you know, there was also, I mean, obviously the nerds. And, I mean, this sounds like a movie, but it's so true. when you watch movies, especially those 80s movies, and jocks. And it was funny because in my first couple years of high school, I was total metalhead, but I was also, you know, on the hockey team. So I was in two worlds, but I was definitely more of a metalhead.

And like, you know, even though I guess I could have been considered a jock because I was, you know, played on the team, I was kind of an outcast. because I was a metalhead and a lot of those other guys, a lot of the hockey team was not only like jocks, but a lot of them were also preps. Yeah, so that's interesting. The preppy thing has kind of died away a lot. At least I don't remember it being a big thing when I was in high school.

What was coming in when I was in high school was the adoption of the black aesthetic to like, you know, I grew up in a rural area and it was a wealthy rural area. But the, uh, the aesthetic that was being a doubt was brought in was what that forced one, the baggy jeans, the giant shirts, uh, like Janko jeans and stuff like that. Exactly. Or the, um, I, I think the some, some, some kids even got the fubu genes, the for us, bias jeans, uh, which was kind of ridiculous, but, you know, that's, if we're talking about with the wider importance of aesthetics like that, you know, we're discussing

how we identified with the groups that we were a part of and displaying that by the things that we wear. The changing of like clothing culture, it's part of the social degradation in every way, right? So it was kind of the rejection of white aesthetic. norms or wasp aesthetic norms where the men would kind of look like they were street they were the kind of ape the the street thug sort of thing and the women would wear i mean everyone in the millennial generation remembers uh low-cut genes very provocative it's in intentionally provocative another kind of lowering and animalistic sort of uh sort of aesthetic that was pushed into the culture that you know, millennials are in charge of it now for the most part and see where we're at, right?

Well, I think something that's interesting is you will hear a lot of people, not a lot of people, but when people talk about like the aesthetics of the past, they'll immediately go to like the 40s, the 50s, and they'll talk about how men were always wearing, they always had a jacket, they always said, but what's funny is that's regional. That wasn't like that in the South. I mean, you're not going to a small town and seeing people going to, you know, the transfer station in a jacket. People aren't going to the feed store in a jacket. And it's funny how I think our idea of the aesthetics of the past, especially when people point out, oh, like the jacket and the tie and getting dressed up to go everywhere. It's big city.

It's, you know, and particularly northern. Yeah, it's, it's whatever, it's obviously whatever the upper classes are doing is what everyone's looking at, because whatever the upper classes are doing are by definition, high status. And I very, I'm not, when I, if I use the phrase high culture, I don't mean that in the Yaqui and or the Spenglarian sense. I mean that in the way that, uh, the people below will look up to the people above for their culture. something that they see is higher. I mean, one of the perennial truths about clothing is that an ounce of gold will buy you what the upper classes are wearing as a single garment. So like in ancient Rome, it was a fine toga. Today, an ounce of gold is it, is it what, 34, 3,500? That will buy you a well-made, bespoke suit.

So it's, it's, that, that, that, I mean, it's not just a way of showing off wealth, but what people consider to be high class is going to be whatever the people in the cities are wearing. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community. Find out more at airgrid.i. 4.North-slash-Northwest. Employers, rewarding your staff?

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Well, we got an idea of how much a good spokesuit would get at the Old Glory Club what it goes for at the Old Glory Club Conference, although I think that our friend definitely makes deals for us.

But before we go there, what do you think of the idea that the culture you're talking about, like not the Spangler in the Yakuan culture, but the culture of the predominant culture at the time that

basically what the once you get outside of that upper crust it's being the the the culture is being driven from the lower classes the artists the the musicians the you know what I'm talking about yeah so I mean this is this ties directly in with like mass media mass visual media so if we're talking about how like if we're talking about like the 40s and 50s when televisions weren't ubiquitous and people weren't constantly seeing what uh what the upper classes were wearing it kind of becomes a a function of a function of necessity so people in the south are wearing like jeans and like a like just a button down plaid shirt or to work or even just a t-shirt or whatever, it's because there is no need to status signal when you're doing that. You have your

job. The job is something that's going to destroy like a nice aesthetic set of clothes, so you just wear what makes sense. Whereas I imagine that even in these towns in the south, a mayor or somebody, like a chairman of the local council would try to ape the aesthetic of the people in the cities because that is a projection of power. It's projection of status. So I think, but getting back to the question you're asking about where it becomes bottom up, I don't know if that's ever, ever been a thing before mass visual media, because it's the, it's that like looking in on a world that you aren't a part of and saying,

and that world being projected to you as high status that would make you think that lower class wear is actually higher class. So, I mean, I talked about the baggy jeans and stuff. That came directly from whoever produces the mass media culture in the United States. They specifically chose the aesthetic of the lower classes to portray as higher class so that people who were far removed from that would start wearing that sort of, that sort of, uh, that's, that sort of, uh, that sort of look. Do you think that that is one of the reasons that would be pushed is, uh, the same reason, like if you think about the book, the authoritarian

personality where it's like, well, we need to, we need to degrade the culture. We need to stop getting people focusing on family, stop getting people focusing on church. And one of the ways to do that is to, cause them to promote the lower rungs of culture so that not only will people start to accept it as being legitimate, but also start to embrace it even aping the aesthetics of the low culture. Yes, I think that's exactly why it was Bush. I think it was very conscious. So, like you mentioned the authoritarian personality, and the whole, thing is about, you know, breaking down these hierarchical norms because that has the effect of confusing, like, the body of a population, the people. And it prevents them from kind of coming

together with shared values because when you look at another person, the way that they're dressed and the way that they hold themselves, the way that they speak, it tells you a lot about whether or not they share your values. And when those values come from the lowest classes, the lowest classes don't have a tendency, especially, I mean, right now we're talking about specifically is inner city black culture, which we, which we all know is, I mean, it's violent and they fight with themselves more than they fight anybody else. So it's, it's part of a way to prevent people from coming together. And this is a kind of what the, like, if you think of what the suit is, the suit is derived from a military uniform carried over

into a business setting or even a, I guess you could say a formal setting, even if it's not necessarily a business thing, because what it does is it displays to everybody that we're all here for the same purpose. We adopt this uniform and we are sharing. in an experience. And when the focus becomes on freedom and individual expression, rather than bonding together as a society to get something done, the aesthetic is just as important

as anything else, because you can't trust somebody whose aesthetic shows you that their values are different than yours. Or at least, it's harder to trust them. And so I think it absolutely is an intentional thing to kind of break down these bonds. I never thought about it until now, and I'm sure after I say this, somebody will be emailing me

to give me the whole history of it. But, you know, I was thinking about the aesthetic of the powdered wig and the founders and their aesthetic. And what do you think? Was that aristocratic? What do you think that was supposed to portray? Yeah, I think it was.

it's aristocratic in the way that a powdered wig will display that you're a person who doesn't have to do a lot of physical labor because you can't maintain the cleanliness of a powdered wig if you're getting dirty or doing things with your hands. It's a like a hard barrier to entry. I was discussing this with somebody not too long ago. I can't remember who. But the reason that the kind of boppish wear of the upper of the aristocratic classes came into existence is because it's a way of delineating class differences like immediately just at at first glance and this meant a lot in an age when the aristocrat was not only somebody with money and power but somebody who had a sense of nebless obliege when someone in a town or a village looked at an aristocrat in their mind would be there's

somebody who has, you know, power and influence, but there's also somebody who takes care of my civilization. You know, the contrary to what the portrayal of, you know, the past and what the peasantry was, I don't believe for a minute that every European society was filled to the brim with angry, resentful peasants at all times who saw the aristocrats as people who exploited them. I believe that they saw them as a different part of the chain of being that provided them with protection and with the things that they, with the organization that they needed to make sure that their society was going to keep moving. So the powdered wig is kind of an evolution of that.

And a very similar thing happened, though it wasn't with necessarily clothing throughout the mid-20th century with dirty fingernails. So the middle and upper-middle classes, upper-middle class men would groom their fingernails and clean them because it was a signal that they weren't doing hard work. and when you were a tradesman who ended up with their own business or who ended up as a foreman, having the clean fingernails differentiated you from the people who are under you doing the manual labor. It was kind of interesting in our modern age with technology and everyone being so pampered in general that having a little dirt under your fingernails is shown as a sign that you are a more manly figure than most people. so the aesthetic continues to change. But that speaks to the wider point that the aesthetics of anything,

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Well, you know, the first thing, I guess, when, if someone was to show up to our conference, the old glory club, conference. I think the first thing that they would notice is that there is a certain aesthetic going on. And I think what's most interesting about that is how many people actually, who are participating, actually question it because it's just not expected. It's just your, everything is so casual, I mean, they came up with this propaganda term business casual, which could describe how I'm dressed right now. And it's almost like you're having to rewire people's brains to be like,

okay, this is who we are. This is what is what is expected of us, but not only in our behavior, but in the way we look. Yeah, it's an expression of that uniformity of purpose. We're here to get something done. We're here because we all have shared values and we all have a single direction that we're pushing in. And so that uniformity of dress in a high way because aesthetics can point to the transcendent

or they can point downward into the earth, into the animalistic. And what we're doing with the old glory club is we're trying to bring about something that is higher, higher for the individual, higher for the society, and the way that we dress conveys that. And it also takes that kind of tension point off the table. Because when you look good, people want you around more. Like that's just a basic human thing. nobody wants to really engage with somebody who's unkempt and is disheveled and looks terrible

because it's distracting it you could be the most eloquent well-spoken person but if you you're dressed like a hobo if you look like a hobo no one's going to listen to you because it it projects an idea that you don't care that you lack a certain sense of dignity and that if you lack a certain sense of dignity yourself, it means that we can't expect that you really take yourself seriously. And why should we then take the things that you have to say seriously? I have a friend, and I relate this story in an article that I wrote for the Old Glory Club substack called the Metaphysics of Dress.

he is the director of engineering for an IT firm. And so he hires and fires people. And he told me that one of the things that he looks at when he has an applicant in front of them is how they're dressed. But it's not just that it was enough from them to put on a shirt and a tie and a suit. How, like, what is the condition of the suit? What is the condition of the shirt? Did they bother to iron their shirt? did they put do they have enough care to wear pocket square or or some little extra thing that

isn't necessarily there and it's it has nothing to do with displaying whether or not that person is stylish or whether or not that person has enough money to buy uh fancy clothes what it tells him is that this person cares that they they value their time they value their appearance and more importantly that they value your time because they're not wearing that for them, or at least most people don't put those things on for themselves. They put them on because they know this is something that they should care about. And so at the Old Glory Club, we try to attract men who are serious, who aren't just, you know, doing this as a flight of fancy.

And the effort that we put into our outward appearance is a big show of that. Well, I think also when you do that, especially in this day and time, when everything has become, like I said, you know, business casual is a term, and it's a meaningless term. The people are going to want, people are going to want to know why. People are going to, when we had the Alabama meet up, I mean, we all, you know, we were meeting at an Elks Lodge and we all dressed, we were dressed the way we were supposed to be dressed. and the people who, you know, members of the Elks Lodge, people who were, they wanted to know what we were about. They wanted to know we were at one point, we were like, we think we might be recruiting boomers here today.

And I think a lot of that just had to do with the fact that we looked professional. We looked like we were there for a purpose. And, you know, if you work on a farm, you know, wearing Carhart and Carpenter, you know, and Carpenter, you know, and carpenter jeans, that's a purpose. That's dressing for a purpose. But much in the same way, you know, having a nice suit or a blazer and nice pants and shoes, shoes being very important, Jeff Deist is somebody who will go on and on about shoes sometimes. and, you know, he has, he has shamed me into becoming somebody who,

who has purchased shoes that are, you know, will last forever that you can replace the heels, you can replace the souls and you can, you know, just, you know, premium leather, things like that. You're, you're, it's a communication and it's a communication, especially in this day and age where there is very little seriousness going on of, I have a purpose in life and it is very attractive. It attracts people who want to know why. Yeah. I mean, and to just kind of head off the idea that this is merely vanity, it's, it's not because everything that we do as individuals that requires us to interact with other humans, which hopefully most of us do quite a bit,

has an infinite number of metaphysical repercussions, the words that we choose, the inflections that we use, and the way that we look. Because sticking with just the way that we look, the way that others perceive you, which changes the way that they interact with you, which changes the way that you view yourself, which then changes the way that you view yourself, which then changes the way that you interact with others. So this isn't just some like, oh, I just want to look good so people will find me attractive. You want to look good and you want to have good aesthetics because it will literally change everything in your reality that just ripples outward into ways that you can't quantify.

But speaking about when people are asking, like, what are you doing? I started caring about the way that I dressed around 26, and that was a decade ago, and it takes time to dial in your particular look and the things that work well on you. But people, and they still do this now, when I go out dressed in just a sport code and slacks, they'll, and like nice shoes, they'll ask me, what's the occasion? You know, I usually say it's a day that ends in why. You know, people expect that if you're going to put effort into something, that it must be for some transactional purpose. That the reason you're doing something is because you're going to be getting something out of it immediately.

And that's not a way that you can live life and experience it in a fulfilled way. You want to increase your aesthetics because it makes your life better and it makes the lives of those around you better. Everyone is pleased when a handsome, well-dressed man walks into a room, when a beautiful, well-dressed woman walks into a room. Everyone is a little bit elevated by that. Why would you want to be the type of person who brings people down by looking like a slob? and it does it does attract people it's uh you know and pardon me for rambling um when uh burden uh you know finally decided to be a face lord uh on your show i think that was the first appearance i told him you know get ready uh for all the thirsty uh women in in in his DMs um but he handles it very

well. And that's because the right wing, and when I say the right wing, I don't mean, you know, the way that society normally puts it, like the neocons, I mean the right wing. The right wing that cares about hierarchy, that cares about tradition. That caring expresses itself outwardly as well. So a fit, handsome young man who cares about hierarchy is go, like any man who cares about hierarchy who cares about the higher things is going to look better. And it's, it's something that gets commented on all the time, you know, oh, whenever a lefty gets doxed, they're a slob. But whenever a right winger gets dached, they're fit and handsome. Like, that's not a coincidence. that's a metaphysical expression of our values.

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Yeah, and that definitely goes beyond, like you had already mentioned, it goes beyond the way you dress, grooming comes into it. I mean, I mean, I hate to say this. I've in the past I've let my goatee go and you know one of the things that really made me go okay yeah I have to keep this thing clean and trimmed at all times and looking good was going to libertarian events yeah that I can I can definitely see that yeah you go to a libertarian event and

you're like oh wait a minute I'm shit, I'm getting lumped in here. Yeah, I don't think I've ever been to a libertarian event, but imagine the smell. There are good people there, but there are, you know, it's that whole thing about how, you know, it's just the minority, the minority is going to stand out amongst, you know, it's the sore thumb. Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the thing, like libertarianism has. its points, of course, a lot of us came here from libertarianism. But the majority of people who

grab onto libertarianism do it because it's a, it's kind of a licentious, licentious, or it's a freedom, it's a license to not have to put any effort in to existing in society. So you're going to attract people who don't have the impetus to do anything like that. And so that, you know, that's Again, while it may be a minority, you don't see that at the old glory club events. I mean, maybe you'll see somebody who doesn't quite get it, but they're immediately shamed. And if they're serious, they will change. I can't imagine a libertarian who was shamed for not trimming his beard would have anything other than a kind of visceral anger reaction to it.

But, you know, like I said, I've never been to one of these events. Yeah, so it's not only the way you dress. It's not only grooming. But, and no one is saying that you have to become a gym rat. But, you know, being in shape and being healthy is also something that most people don't expect these days. It's like you said, you know, some leftist gets doxed, and you're like, oh, my God, it looks like, you know, Slavo Gijsac. And then someone on the right gets doxed. And it's like, oh, wow.

Well, he might be a little browner than we thought he was going to be, but he seems to be in pretty good shape. Yeah. Yeah. It's all outward projections of the inner self, all of these things. And if humans, if each individual human existed in a void or on a planet where he was the only person, it wouldn't be as important. But, you know, we live in a society. And all of our actions have to be taken into, all of our actions have to be made with that kind of in mind. And I'm not saying that you should judge, you should hold yourself worth by how other people view you.

That's obviously not what anyone on the right would say. But what it means is that if you're engaged at all and you consider yourself to be a serious person who's engaging in the world, that is a facet of the world that we cannot extract from our. ourselves as individuals. You cannot take away that you are a part of this society and that your individual choices through your, even through something like as seemingly small as your aesthetics, have an effect on the people around you. Yeah. And this isn't something to, when you talk about dress, this isn't something that needs to break

the bank. You know, one of the young men who is on our central committee. he just went on eBay and he found a classic Hugo Boss suit. I mean, you know, Hugo Boss now, if you go on their website, it's just gay. It's gay as hell. But he found like the classic Hugo Boss suit with what everyone knows. Not one of the ones from the 1930s or 40s, calm down everyone. But, you know, that class, and it was used, but it looked.

It looked great. And, you know, I was wearing, I was wearing a pair of classic Floor Shime Imperials from, from the early 1980s, you know, a cord of unleather. That, you know, it's, I, again, eBay, you can, it doesn't have to break the bank. You can find stuff that is absolutely, that looks absolutely stunning. And it's not like you're going out there and spending thousands of dollars to do it. Yeah, I mean, I said I got started at 26. Everything I wore was from a thrift store.

You know, you find a local tailor whenever I was somewhere. The tailor I would seek out is obviously going to be an old Italian man. So you can also bone up on some stories in broken English if you're so interested. But, you know, you go to a thrift store and you find something that, you like that fits you reasonably well. You go get it tailored. There you go. You look better than 90% of the people that are in society today. And it didn't cost you very much. I mean, I had a similar thing. A couple months ago, I was in way, way north New Hampshire. And my buddy invited me to the governor's dinner. And I didn't have dress shoes on me. But I went to a third store and I found.

found a pair of dress shoes that retailed custom like two grand, they were selling them for $25. Old people die all the time, old people who still had an aesthetic sense. And their kids generally don't. So those things end up getting donated. It doesn't take a lot to find something that fits you well, especially if you have a Taylor. And I think that, so last year I went to the Old Glory Club event, and I know that the Old Glory Club had been to previous events as the Old Glory Club, but this was our first one

as the Old Glory Club. And the first thing when I walk in that I see is a Habitasher and selling classic ties, selling tie pins that you don't know where he got these from. They look like somebody in a state sale of some sort. And silk ties, I bought a full, 100% silk tie from him this year. Didn't break the bank either. And he's fitting and bespoke suits for. less than a bespoke suit should go for. And I think that that, just that, to me, going to my first event on, you know, as an

old glory club member, that probably stood out to, it was the first thing that stood out to me, and it was something that I just kept coming back to the whole conference was the fact that there was someone there that I could go and ask a question about, does this, Will this go with this? Does this go with this? You know, I asked him this last time I was here. I was like, you think I could use this tie clip? You think I could use this tie clip with this? He's like, no, what are you crazy?

Like, okay, yeah, good, good. You know, young Italian guy, but, you know, he'll get there. He'll be old one day. Yeah, I mean, he already has an old aesthetic. You know, it's interesting. He once told me that he's very, he's very annoyed with the boomers. because this whole thing where your pants, the waist of your pants sits around your hips is something that the boomers started.

That wasn't a thing before like the 1950s. Before that, the waist of your pants was on the waist of your, you know, your torso. No, no, he's a great guy. You can find his stuff online. We link to it at the Old Glory Club's, uh, um, Twitter, but, you know, this is a man who has, you know, he has a great passion for this thing. He just, he's a man who's got passion for suits and for America. So, you know, he, he went well out of his way to make sure that the people who manufacture

his suits are in America. And he found one of the very few mills, textile mills, still operating in the country, uh, to, you know, produce, uh, the, the fabric for those suits. And this is an important thing. I talked about that the aesthetics is an expression of something. If he was just in this to turn a buck, he wouldn't have to do any of that. But the fact that he goes out of his way to get fully American-made fabrics and fully American-made suits and can still give them to you at a price that seems like a steel, this is an expression of his passion and the things that he really cares about. And so it's, you know, and he dresses the part.

The man has a bigger wardrobe than I've ever seen, and he's still in his 20s. It's a wonderful thing. It elevated our, both of our events to have that man there because it was an aesthetic boon beyond just the attractive young men in suits as well. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person.

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And I know last year, there were a few people that had had custom suits made with him. This year, he was nonstop. He was nonstop measuring. I think that people actually planned for it. They're like, I am going to get a suit that fits on me like, it's made for me. that doesn't look oversized, doesn't look undersized, doesn't look, and, you know, people, Orrin, Orin got one, I got one. He was never not measuring somebody.

And that just tells me that, you know, people are really, people are really starting to see not only the benefit in it, the utility of it, but the necessity of it. the necessity of if I'm going, if I'm going someplace, I'm going to look my best. And, you know, people are going to, people are going to want to be around me. Yeah. And I think, you know, I talk on other streams about that I believe that right now, those of us on the right that are in the sphere are riding a spiritual wave. And that that spirit is one of hierarchy and heritage and aesthetic. Because all of these, we seem to be hitting on all

of these points when everyone else within the sphere is hitting on them without them yet having being discussed. Like, for example, Pete, when you asked me to come on to do this stream, not three hours later, I received an email from a debate society that I am a part of that was talking about what the next event's going to be. And the resolution is, be the most beautiful you can be. Now, you know, I spend some time with these guys, but like, they're not. not my normal, like social circle, but they're still within the sphere of the right.

And so we're all hitting on this thing at the same time that we need to not only, you know, be pushing for, you know, the political stuff, be pushing for parallel institutions, be pushing for a community, but also that it's time to start looking towards the transcendent. that beauty is a part of the transcendent human experience in as much as anything else is. And that this is something that has to return as much as functioning political organizations, as much as communities that care about and trust one another. that it's all a part of this, this larger metaphysical reality that we're inhabiting and that we're trying to improve. So I, this, this question of aesthetics couldn't have come at a better time.

You know, and again, pardon the rambling. We, we've talked about it before. The status, the sorry status of our cities, the sorry status of our architecture, the way that the, the beauty and the striving has been replaced by base material utilitarianism. That is the world of the widget. That is the world of the replaceable economic unit. That is the bug world. That is not the human world. And what we're all striving for, when Thomas says that it's globalism versus the resistance,

it is humanity versus anti-humanity. It is humanity versus the machine. And we're all riding that. And the personal aesthetic is as important in that fight as being able to beautify our cities once again. Well, I think we found our clip for our guy. What I was thinking about while you were talking about that was how you can really dress up a pig, but it's still a pig. politicians that we have nowadays, Ted Cruz being interviewed with Tucker Carlson. Ted Cruz was dressed impeccably. He had a great suit on. Benjamin Netanyahu has

wears great suits. These men, it's be aware that there are people who are going to use an aesthetic who hate you, have your, an aesthetic that looks good. You know, we're not only talking about brutalist architecture or something like that. Aesthetics can be drawn up that look good. But unless there's a good intention behind it, unless there's a good person behind it, we can start building architecture again that looks great. And maybe we can make the argument that that architecture will not be built until there is a shift in the zeitgeist towards beauty, towards the good the true and the beautiful.

but we can start seeing counterfeits. And people should be aware that those counterfeits are out there and just don't be impressed by the aesthetic, the aesthetic, there has to be something behind it. Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that the boomer generation did, especially the same type of person who would say, don't call me, sir, that was my father's name or something. are the same type of people who viewed suits only as a means of deception.

And they can be used as that. But it's very, very hard to do. If you watch that video of Ted Cruz, it doesn't matter that he's wearing a $6,000, $10,000 bespoke suit with, you know, $5,000 custom cowboy boots. He doesn't look good. He doesn't look in control. He doesn't look like he's presenting

somebody who is powerful and who is who is there for a purpose. And basically what I'm saying by this is that personal aesthetics and grooming are necessary but not sufficient. Now, the way that one holds oneself, and someone's physical fitness is also, you know, equal in importance to the clothes that one is wearing.

But the clothes can help. All of these things give feedback loops. And even if we're just talking materialistically, when you're talking about, you know, something feels good. And so I get a dopamine hit. Now I'm more likely to do this. Or now it makes me more confident. looking good will help with that, which will help you to start exercising or vice versa.

When you get more testosterone, you're more likely to do stuff and less likely to suffer from, you know, cortisol, less likely to suffer from being uncertain. So just to bring it back around to the point you were making, Pete, people will try to use. the societal expectation of an aesthetic to present themselves in a way that they aren't truly. And since the suit is become an association with power in the minds of most people, it will absolutely be used by the weak and by the deceitful to make you think that they have more power than they do. But just like Ted Cruz, in the way he was sitting, in the way that he was, you know, umming and awing and getting kind of worked up, that won't translate. It won't translate into body language necessarily. There are tells that you learn to, when you get out and

you start interacting with people, people higher than you in the hierarchy, people who deserve to be in positions of power, you start to understand that there are tells from. for people who don't belong there. So again, the aesthetic is necessary, but it's not enough. I think a lot of people, a lot of men have bought into, young men have bought into the Silicon Valley aesthetic, the hoodie, the, you know, Jack Dorsey looking like he hasn't trimmed his beard in months. And I think that they're being fooled into believing that that's a way they can gain power. That's a way that they can gain wealth when people don't normally do that until they reach a

certain level. That doesn't become their, that doesn't become their uniform until they reach a certain level. And I think that that is actually gone. I think that if you're expecting that this this trend of very, very powerful people dressing down and driving, you know, 20-year-old cars, pretending like they're not billionaires. That is not sustainable. Respectability and especially respectability and aesthetics are going to have to return in order for us to have change. change. The kind of change of people who listen to this show and who join the Old Glory Club expect. It's not going to come from a mindset of California, of Silicon, well, I'm not going to

disparage California, but the Silicon Valley mindset. It's going to come from an older, an older mindset that takes itself more seriously and takes itself seriously. in every aspect of how they present themselves. Yeah, well, I mean, what we're discussing here is the return of aristocracy. And at this point, if you, if you, the viewer, have gotten to this point and you think that aristocracy is based on how you dress, you know, I can't really help you. But the aristocracy is always going to be differentiated from, you know, from. the plebs, from the demos, by the values they hold, the actions they take, the way that they

carry themselves, the words that they use, and the words that they dress. The Silicon Valley is not, having money does not make you an aristocrat. And the Silicon Valley thing is a perfect example of this. These people don't feel like they're aristocrats, so they don't act like them. That means that they don't have nobles oblige. That means that their idea is not necessarily that they should be doing things to benefit society as it exists and the people that are beneath them. And by taking on the trappings of the lower classes, they're trying, they're in a way trying to deceive both themselves and the people who look at them. It's this idea that democracy is the highest good, that the crowd that has wisdom, that the little person should be listened to as much as the

aristocrat. And we know that none of that is true, that there are stratifications in society and the people who rise to the top in a healthy society do so because they were granted gifts by God or by nature that the majority of people do not possess. And for somebody who is at the top to kind of deny that gift and lower themselves is a form of deception, but is worse than that is a form of disrespect. Because these gifts were given to these people, and they are not using them in a way that is commensurate with the immensity of that gift. And talking about how some people will ape that aesthetic, what we're talking about is a cargo cult mentality.

This is always been true. I mean, there used to be a phrase that was much more common when I was young, N-word rich. And what that means is that as soon as somebody gets money, they go out and they spend it on something that is flashy, that they can't really afford. It's a conspicuous consumption sort of thing to try to status signal that by having the things that the wealthy have or doing the things that the wealthy do are more likely to make somebody wealthy. And that's, I mean, that's just not true. It's just not accurate. It's like building an airstrip and the middle of a jungle and an air traffic control tower out of reeds and expecting that it's going

to attract a passing cargo ship, a cargo plane. It's just not how reality works. So, you know, all of these things start with values first and end in aesthetics later, but when you orient yourself as an individual aristocratically and you orient yourself in an upwardly direction, in a transcendent direction, your outward appearance will start to display that naturally. And you shouldn't be afraid of that. You shouldn't be thinking that it makes you look snooty or, you know, in some way arrogant. You have to embrace what you are. Otherwise, it is just vanity.

Well, I think we should end it right there. Do you have anything to plug? I haven't seen anything you've written lately. I haven't been paying attention to the substack. You got anything going on out there? No, a lot of my work these days has been focused on the back end stuff of the Old Glory Club, which there is always more of because we are growing. But to the Old Glory Club is I consider it one of my babies.

so please give it all your attention, time, and money. And we are talking about MS. Vendrillo and Co. As the Taylor and Haberdasher who attends our events, he's just getting started. But you can find him on Twitter at MS. Vendrillo Co. That's MSV-V-E-N-D-R-I-L-O-C-O. And yeah, check out his stuff. It's well worth your time.

I will link to it and I will link to his website. And yes, the old glory club. The thing I'm really enjoying right now is, is the fact that I think we're getting to the point where a couple of the chapters are becoming autonomous. And that's exactly what, you know, we're starting. We have so many chapters now. but like some of the older chapters are just like ready to just branch out and do their own thing

and concentrate on their own work. It's a beautiful thing. My babies are growing up. All right, sir. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me, Pete.