The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1249: You're in an 'Israeli Panopticon' w/ Stephen Carson

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

80 MinutesSafe for WorkStephen Carson is the host of the Radical Liberation channel on YouTube.RadLib joins Pete to talk about the panopticon Israel has built to not only track the Palestinians but also to track you. He explains how this is all done to enrich the intelligence agents and agencies.Mrs RadLibRadical Liberation on YouTubeStephen on TwitterPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Stephen has not been on in a while. Radlib, how are you doing? Very good. And I recall, I believe the last time we were talking about, sorry, what's it called, you kill people when they're old and sick and stuff. Oh, how are both of us gotten so old that we can't remember what it is? What the? Euthanasia. That's right.

Last time I was on, it was about euthanasia. So I'm afraid someday I'll come on and we're going to have a really cheerful conversation. But today is not that day. Oh, man. Well, the reason I invited you on is because I have been following what you've been doing lately on your channel. And this episode about Israel in particular about Israel Panopticon is there are some things about. it that I'll stop you at certain points to, it just seems unbelievable. It just seems like some kind of weird movie where all of a sudden you're watching this thing and then you're like,

oh, oh, that's why they're doing this. Oh, okay. But no, I mean, we'll wait. We'll get to that. Well, I mean, talk about what. Well, how about I show my series really quick to give people some context. Sure, please go right ahead. How I even ended up on this top. And that is, I've been doing a series called the specialist relationship. I looked it up, it's a real word, special, special, or specialist. Right? And so what is the specialist? We talk about the special relationship between the UK and the US,

but I think we all know there's an even more special, a most special of all relationship between the US and the State of Israel, right? That's being brought home today as we're learning that disaster relief funds are content are contingent upon Israel being happy with you and you're not sanctioning them or whatever, you know, boycotting them, I should say, boycotting Israel in any way. So, yeah, so that's a very special relationship. In fact, on Twitter, I was checking in with Apostolic Majesty and other trusted people. Could they think of a parallel to the relationship between U.S. and Israel historically that we can, like, compare it to?

Oh, yeah, it's just like, you know, when Switzerland was running all of Russia or something, you know, And he said, frankly, he couldn't. It is really unprecedented, which is what John Meersheimer said, the relationship between U.S. and Israel, we really have no historical parallel, you know, a negligible military power that just seems to make this huge military power dance to its tune, right? So I thought that was worth digging into. So I started in a very basic way to veterans. This is not going to be very exciting.

I just went through the Israel lobby by Stephen Wald and John Meersheimer, right? To me, that's 101 material. I'd never really gone through it. I'd poked around, but I hadn't really gone through it carefully. So first I just did, I think, five episodes, just marching through that book, getting the basics under our belt of how the Israel lobby functions, as well as, let me give Mearsheimer and Walt there do. They confront a lot of the arguments that are often used to say,

well, there's a reason for this relationship. Israel is a strategic asset for the U.S. And there's a moral justification for this. And they address all of those things. They do a great job. I think it holds up very well. I mean, it's going on 20 years old now. It holds up really well in terms of addressing a lot of the propaganda we hear.

But of course, they also just go into the mechanics of how does the Israel lobby function? How does it have such an influence on the ruling elite? So having done that, then, I wanted to go beyond Mir Shimer and Walt. and talk about the role of the underworld, the mafia, in, for example, the founding of Israel. I thought that was pretty interesting. And then on this one that caught Pete's attention, I heard someone say something, and it got my attention. I asked him, tell me what you mean. He said, we are all Palestinians now.

And I was like, what are you getting out there? And so I'll just jump right to the punchline. Weapons, psychological warfare, surveillance tech, and more are battle tested on the Palestinians, like in Gaza, as we've been saying for the last two years. And then they're sold by the state of Israel to governments around the world to be used on us. That's like that's the reveal. That's like if you're watching a movie and there are these, you know, there's this guerrilla faction and they're going up against this like mechanized army who has. control over them, controls how much water and food comes in. And then, you know, you're like, well, why is this happening? This doesn't make any sense. Well, then you get this reveal that,

oh, Israel sells all of these things, weapons and surveillance systems and everything, but not before testing them out on a pop. People ask, well, why didn't they just get rid of the Palestinians? Why didn't they just kill them all? Why didn't they just, you know, send them so, I mean, it's the center of the ocean. Put them on a barge and put them in the center of the Mediterranean and sink it. Well, because then they don't have mice. So test things on. Exactly.

Now, let me bring the money element in. I know this might shock you, Pete, that there's a monetary aspect to this deal. I am floored. But the money. Israel makes by selling, you know, cyber warfare stuff, weapons, and so on and so forth, not only is it critical to keeping Israel afloat today, it's actually been critical for decades. That's one of the things I learned digging into this. Now, I'm going to focus more on the sexy new cyber technology stuff, right?

But the material I was reading was also talking about them selling weapons to South Africa and so on and so forth decades ago. So this is not new. this is part of how the Israel project keeps going is it comes up with new stuff and it sells it to people and this battle tested on Palestinian thing is literally like a market slogan for them you know we we are trying this out

we are tracking every Palestinian's movement you could do you could have that amazing technology for yourself for your own citizens isn't that nice I'll buy that for a dollar just if you remember Robocop thank you Oh, yeah. Okay, so let's see. Let's see. Here we go. All right. So I'm going to draw from two things, an article in a book. I'll start with the article. It's a Jonathan Cook article. He's been on this topic for some years. And this one's a little old, but I kind of like that because I want to emphasize, you know, a lot of what we're talking about these days in regards to Israel is related to October 7th and what's happened since then in Gaza, right? This is an older story that is totally relevant to the Gaza story, but it didn't start then, right?

And so this is actually an article that he wrote in December 2019. I think it was published January 2020, but it's December 19. And let me give you a little bit from it. So Israeli analyst Jeff Helper, and by the way, I think everyone I'm quoting from is Jewish. The book, the article, the sources for the article in the book, they're like all Jewish. Okay. As we know, there's Jewish people who don't, aren't totally down with the way the state of Israel functions. Israeli analyst Jeff Halper warned that Israel is treating the millions of Palestinians under its military rule effectively as guinea pigs in open air laboratories. They have become the test bet for developing not only new conventional weapon systems, but also new tools for mass surveillance and control.

And as I mentioned, there's been a transition recently. They'd been doing what you'd usually think of as military weapons for some time. But in recent years, meaning starting 15 years ago or more, they've been transitioning into like cyber warfare type stuff, you know, cracking our phones and being able to find out what we're up to in our devices, our digital devices and so forth. Right. So Israel can rightly claim to be a world authority on surveilling, controlling, and oppressing populations under its rule.

So if you separate your feelings from this and just do a business analysis, what's a unique selling proposition that Israel has? It's occupying these occupied areas. It's surveilling, trying to control these populations. it knows through experience how to do, you know, deal with a mob, deal with an angry mob, right? How to spy on this population, how to get people, find people they want to find within the population, right? All that kind of stuff. From a strictly business point of view, they've got a unique selling proposition here, right? and people are buying in large quantities.

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But as long as they have this victim, as long as they keep this victim kind of, I mean, you know, but here's, that's the thing, though, is if you're, if you have this selling proposition, the people you're dealing with can no longer believe that you're the victim. Well, that's an interesting point. They have to see you as these mad scientists who you're, I mean, like literally, you're buying stuff off of mad scientists. and unscrupulous. So you have to wonder what you're buying.

So like October 7th, that whole security system, the fence, everything, that is a package that they sold to other countries and other countries relying on that working. And on October 7th, none of it worked. So, I mean, they just got revealed to scam artists for anybody who bought that. Right. Yet they're doing okay business-wise, as we'll see. Yeah, and I didn't pull this part for my notes, but there's this great movie with Will Smith called Enemy of the State. I often recommend it all about, you know, excellent movie.

Full spectrum surveillance, basically, right? It follows the Gene Hackman movie, The Conversation. Also recommended, ideally watch one, and watch the older one, then watch the new one. The Conversation is one of the greatest movies of the 1970s. You have to watch a movie. Yeah, yeah. Watch the conversation from the 70s. watch Enemy of the State much, much later, but it's definitely a sequel.

Gene Hackman appears in Enemy of the State. And it makes a great sequence. Anyway, an Enemy of the State, wherever Will Smith goes, you know, there's a camera, there's something figuring out that he used a card. You know, somehow he keeps getting tracked. No matter what he does, they can figure out where he is, right? Well, that's one of the things they talk about. They're showing off this tech to their customers.

Hey, look, we can track this one Palestinian in Gaza. And as he goes from this camera to the next camera, we can, you know, we have technology that can figure out, okay, he's now gone here. And it's just jumping views, right, and tracking other, you know, transactions he's making. And we can literally follow this guy all day through all of our various surveillance systems. And it's straight out enemy at this date, you know. Anyway, okay. So a key thing, I'm going to try not to drown everyone with details, but I did want to give some representative company. Israeli company names. And if you're going to know about these companies, you got to know where they

spring from. And a lot of them spring from something called Unit 8200. Had you heard about this already, Pete? I reference it quite often, yes. Yeah. Okay. Right. So not new to Pete's audience. So Israeli Army intelligence units like 8200 teach soldiers how to spy on Palestinians through their phones, computers, and social media accounts, right? All this cyber stuff. Many later go on to set up companies developing similar software for more general application. And so they develop stuff. They have to get permission from the Israeli government to export what they develop. They have to get an export license or something like that. So the Israeli government might try to distance itself sometimes for these things, but it's hip deep. It's coming straight out of there.

It's like all the people feed who are like, well, I used to be in the CIA. But, you know, I'm over that now, right and we're all like yeah sure you are so we have all these people who used to be in unit 8200 now they work for a private company and israel they develop something and israel gives them permission to sell it off to governments around the world right um so who are the big purchasers of israeli technology like this states obviously around the around the world uh and private corporations private corporations will buy some of this to spy on their competitors and things things like that. Okay. Having said that, I think this is notable. Silicon Valley companies are sometimes pretty unhappy with the hacking technology that Israel is putting out there. So unhappy,

in fact, and we have an update this year on this, October 2019, WhatsApp, owned by Facebook, or meta now, right, initiated the first lawsuit of its kind in a California court. against NSO, Israeli's largest surveillance company. They accused NSO of cyber attacks. For example, in a two-week period in early May, 2018, I think, examined by WhatsApp, NSO is reported to have targeted the mobile phones of more than 1,400 users in 20 countries.

So WhatsApp is like, hey, we want our users to be secure and using our app, and you guys keep hacking. This is against our interests. We're going to sue you, right? Well, here's the update. I just checked on this day. I didn't realize this until I looked it up. That lawsuit lawsuit just concluded in May this year and meta won.

And NSO owes them $167 million in damages. So interesting story there. Let's see. Then NSO spyware, which is known as Pegasus, that's another term to remember, Pegasus, has been used against human rights activists, lawyers, religious leaders, journalists, aid workers. the stuff going in Gaza, right? The aid workers have absolutely been targeted, I've noticed. And then according to Reuters, senior officials of U.S. and allies have,

U.S. allies have also been targeted by NSO. And so what does it do? Pegasus. After taking charge of the user's phone without their knowledge, Pegasus copies data, turns on the microphone for surveillance. That's the part that freaked me out. So it scrapes, and then it just turns it on and just listens in. See what it can hear, right?

And we know it's there and we know that it can be that it's always listening. Anyone who has Facebook knows that, knows that it's always listening. My wife said something like, I'm seeing ads about something that I said verbally but did not type into the phone. What does that mean? Right. Yeah. That's happened to me many times. Yeah.

And so Forbes magazine described Pegasus as the world's most invasive mobile spy kit. Okay, now I'm pulling from the book that we'll get to in more depth in a moment. That's why. Let me just let me just let you know. I went off on my live stream like a month and a half, two months ago about how you're on Twitter as an anon and you think that nobody knows who you are. There is no anonymous anymore. Yeah. Yeah, you're not.

If you're screaming about a certain group all day or accusing everyone. everybody who disagrees with you of being of that group or saying, you know, they know who you are. They know they have your information. It's your your only safety would be you're not you're not safe from public power and force. You may be safe from private power and force, but that's it. And I'm not even sure about that anymore because a lot of these, I don't know if you're going to talk about that. A lot of these companies work with like Antifa and indivisible. Fonels it right to them.

Yeah. Yeah. Funnels that information. So. Yeah, I know, Pete. I hear guys, some of them,

friends of mine who are like, you don't understand my opsec is the best opsec in the world. And I'm like, good luck, buddy. I hope it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Good love with that. Right. Okay. So a little more on this NSO company that produces Pegasus. This is from Snowden. Edward Snowden calls NSO and other companies like them the insecurity industry. He puts it bluntly. The phone in your hand exists in a state of perpetual insecurity, open to infection by any willing to put money in the hand of the new insecurity industry.

The entirety of the industry's business involves cooking up new kinds of infections that will bypass the very latest digital vaccines, security updates, and then selling them to countries that occupy the red-hot intersection of a Venn diagram between desperately craves tools of oppression and sorely lacks the sophistication to produce them domestically. An industry like this whose sole purpose is the production of vulnerability should be dismantled. Right. So, you know, I'm obviously interested in this being used on us in the West, right, in the U.S. and Western countries and so forth. but I'll just mention for those interested, as Snowden references there, a lot of sort of third world countries that are not very sophisticated in their governance, but they want to have this kind of tech. They just go to Israel and buy it, get it off the shelf from Israel, right? They don't have to have the IQ or whatever to develop this stuff.

They just get it from them. Well, here's another thing, something I will say about Snowden. Yeah. I don't know that I 100% trust Snowden, but he is putting information. out. If he is a limited hangout, think about that. He's giving you less than what is out there. Yeah, right. So take it. If you think that Snowden is this op or something like that, he's putting stuff out there that has proved to be true. If he's not giving you everything, just imagine what you're not, what you don't know. Yeah, we're not better off than Snowden pictures.

Whereas bad or probably worse than the picture Snowden gives us. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So let me introduce another name, Black Cube. This caught my attention, another one of these Israeli security companies. Black Cube worked on behalf of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, collecting information on women who had accused him of sexual assault or rape. That's quite interesting, Pete, because I don't know if you noticed, but some of our, say, very vital friends online, had started coming out in defense of Weinstein and saying,

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Where, you know, a Jewish guy gets accused of something. And all of a sudden now he has access to, you know, in Leo Frank's case, millions, you know, 30 million in today's dollars for his defense. And then, yeah. And Harvey Weinstein has access to spy software. from Unit 8200? Okay. Right, right. He's just lucky that way. You know, sometimes some people, it all comes up good for them.

It's just, he has really good friends. Exactly. One of BlackCube's founders, Dan Zarela, a veteran of the Israeli military's secret special operations unit, staff for the company are typically recruited from Mossad, the Army or the Shenbet, Israel's domestic intelligence agency that spies on Palestinians. The late Meyer Deghan, a former Mossad head, was at one point the company's president. So as we see in the U.S., this is not that different, right, we'll see the rotating door between like an intelligence agency and a company that is either a cutout or very, very closely aligned like Palantir or

something like that, right, with these folks. So same deal in Israel. Yeah. Meyer Deghan, another guy who was born in Israel. Oh, no way, he was born in Ukraine. Imagine that. There you go. Okay, one more. Anavo and Israeli data collection company established by two veterans of Unit 8200, was acquired by Facebook in 2013. Interesting. Here's Facebook on the other side of the table here. Apple banned the Anavo VPN in 2018 over revelations that it was providing unlimited access to user. data. I have wondered about the VPN stuff, Pete. I'm like, I better really know the people who are selling this VPN stuff before I installed on my devices because they get everything, right? They can track it all. Yeah, you have to be able to find out exactly who's in charge of that stuff, who owns these things. I mean, you know, I think it's, it doesn't escape me that there's a

gun company, historically German gun company who now headquarters here and manufactures guns here. And all of a sudden, the guns start going off for no reason and killing their users when they get a new CEO whose last name is Cohn. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. Is that damn IQ where I just, I notice all these patterns?

Exactly. Okay, and then I again, I'm, I'll be honest. I'm sharing this one a little bit for the disgust factor, but it is relevant. Another leading Israeli firm is called Kandiru, C-A-N-D-I-R-U, named for a small Amazonian fish that is reputed to secretly invade the human body where it becomes a parasite. So they name their company after this glorious little creature. Kandiru sells its hacking tools mostly to web, Western governments.

Although its operations are shrouded in secrecy, according to rats, its staff is drawn almost exclusively from unit 8200. And just a reminder. I mean, I don't have to tell this to people who are in the computer industry, hardware or software. The people who come up with these things have backdoors into them. Yeah, right. So, oh, that's just going to the French, that's just going to the French government.

The French government's getting all that information. No. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. So that's what I wanted to draw from the article. There's more to it, if you look that article up by Jonathan Cook.

But now I want to turn to a book called the Palestine Laboratory. I don't need to explain the title at this point. You know exactly what he's talking about. And it's by Anthony Lowenstein. guessing he's Jewish I didn't check but that sounds really Irish to me I don't know but good for him for calling this stuff out so now this book is a was published after October 7th so I actually thought I'd start keep a topical now start with him writing a little bit about October 7th and this perspective of sort of what Israel gets out of these things and by the way I didn't really

find it for Israel in particular, but I was reading around this area, and someone was pointing out that the United States defense industry also sells its tech to other countries. And the naive view would be, oh, well, when the U.S. is really like winning in its foreign conflicts or whatever, then it's really selling stuff. And what the author explained is, it doesn't matter. The U.S. can leave Afghanistan in humiliation. It's still selling stuff. When are losing? as long as there's conflict, as long as there's battle testing, then you were able to sell what you're developing through this, even if from a certain point of view you lost, somebody's still getting rich off the conflict, right? Okay, so, so he says, I'm going to jump right in talking

about October 7th. Lowenstein says it was a failure of catastrophic proportions reminiscent of the U.S. missing the key signs before their terror attacks on September 11th. None of this has stopped Israel live testing new weapons during its scorched earth campaign in Gaza after October 7th. These tools of war were proudly displayed on social media for both a domestic and international audience, as well as potential global buyers. Israel used artificial intelligence-enabled weapons, striking non-military targets with unprecedented ferocity. It's a mass assassination factory, one Israeli intelligence officer said. This is how the Palestine Laboratory works. It's for this reason that I expect the Israeli weapons industry to thrive after October 7th.

Israel's leading defense company, Elbit, ELBIT, already wrote that it was experiencing a considerable increased demand. Global arms fairs in Singapore and Paris saw a large Israeli presence promoting weapons, killer drones and surveillance tech that had been battle tested in Gaza. I'm picturing, you know, like a scene on TV or something. Battle tested in Gaza, you know, with like a little logo they've made or something. Oh, like, you know, the, like a really over the top kind of ad, five-minute ad presentation with with female, the only the most good-looking female IDF soldiers in bikinis. And it's, I mean, this is what comes to mind. I mean, I grew up in the Cold War.

We saw stuff like this in movies all the time. I mean, and this isn't a movie. This is real life. Right. By the way, continue showing my series. The last entry on it was Thursday. And I talked about how they used Gal Godot for, they were like, hey, Israel's not, Israel's reputation is falling.

Everybody associates us with war and conflict. We need to show that we're young, we're hip, we're sexy, we're high tech. And so they literally used Miss Israel 2004, Galgado, who we all know of now, and various male Israeli soldiers in not very many clothes to appeal to a different kind of audience, shall we say. Unbelievable. Yeah. Shameless and disgusting. I covered some of the propaganda on Thursday. And what was really fun about that stream is that somebody jumped in there and started using the propaganda techniques against me.

as I was doing the stream. And I'm literally saying, as I'm explaining a propaganda technique, I'm like, hey, you should turn your page to the next manual. You know, we just, we just explain that one. I don't think it's going to work. So try something else, you know. I watched it. It was, it was awesome.

What was his name, Bob? You had fun with Bob. Yeah, Bob. I did not pay him. I did not ask for this. It was just sometimes you get lucky. Anyway, okay, it's guaranteed that the tools of death are ruthlessly used in Gaza will soon appear.

in other conflict zones. Okay, now this blew my mind, Pete. As people probably know, there are these, I have three organizations in my head. Maybe you know about more Pete, but in the UK we have Hope Not Hate. In the US, we have Anti-Defamation League ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center, SPLC, right?

And as far as I can tell, they're all very similar. They operate in similar ways, they have similar targets, and similar people staff and support these organizations, shall we say. But this, I didn't know. In 2004, the U.S.-based pro-Israel anti-defamation league, a self-described civil rights organization, began sending U.S. police delegations to Israel. It hoped to give these officers invaluable insights in the wake of September 11th attacks into how Israel tackled counterterrorism. More than 1,000 police have since visited Israel with the ADL program and other pro-Israel groups.

They learn what Israel has to tell them about suicide bombers, intelligence gathering, and terrorism. The Israelification, Israelification, remember that term, the Israelification of U.S. security services accelerated immediately. After 9-11, Israel is the Harvard of anti-terrorism, as U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrence W. Gainer pointed out in 2005. So I knew ADL was like trying to, you know, putting us on hate maps and sort of all the things you know. I didn't know that they were like training our police. What? Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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Yes. Okay. Good. Yeah, they send them there. Allegedly, the knee on the neck, George Floyd thing, apparently that's Israeli. That's an Israeli tactic. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I'm repeating one company, but there was a little more on NSO. I wanted to pull from the book here. The trajectory of NSAO is symptomatic of an Israeli tradition in testing, marketing, and proliferating surveillance technologies across the globe. The reasons behind this were explained by the former head of Israel's Defense Export Control Agency, Eli Pinko, who told a private conference in late 2021 that the Jewish state had no choice but to sell weapons and cybertech. to anyone who asked. It's either the civil rights in some country or Israel's right to exist,

he said. I would like to see each of you face this dilemma and say, no, we will champion human rights in the other country. Gentlemen, it doesn't work. And Pete, I just want to make an editorial comment here. He used the magic phrase that I've been noticing, Israel's right to exist. As far as I can tell, for some people, Israel's right to exist justifies anything, everything, every, everything. There's no limit to what you can do under the rubric of Israel's right to exist. Have you noticed this? It's the ultimate straw man. No, you know, there aren't people really making that argument. Most of the people who are making the argument that Israel doesn't have a right to exist are like far right Spurgs who, you know, have no power to do that, have no power to

hurt Israel. But most people are just like, no, Israel should just be like every other country. And maybe somebody should ask a question of, well, what brought this on? What other country in the world, you know, is, is there a population next door that is constantly trying to destroy it? But the reason they're trying to destroy it is because they're basically hostages. Yeah, I mean, I know hostages can sound like a straw man. Oh, they can leave if they want to. It takes money to leave most of these people. Most of these people don't have enough calories in order to travel. This is millions of people, by the way. Everybody seems to talk about it like, oh, it's no, you know, send a boat over, put them on the boat. It's going to be a lot of boats, buddy.

Yeah. And where do they go? Yeah. Who wants them? Yeah. Nobody wants them. They destabilized Lebanon as I got to be with Hunger the Die merchant recently in person. and he was talking about how they destabilized Lebanon when Palestinians came there, right? Egypt is teetering on the brink, as I understand it. Egypt's not in a very stable political situation. They do not want a million or two Palestinians to add fuel to the fire over there. We don't want them here. And most Europeans don't want them.

And the thing is, is that, you know, the thing is that, The whole thing about hunger talking about them destabilizing Lebanon and everything, it's not the only country they've ever done that in. That doesn't mean that I'm going to take Israel's side. Palestinians didn't like bring the porn industry here and they don't have like an overrepresentation in government here and an overrepresentation in banking here and an overrepresentation in academia here and an overrepresentation in pretty much every culture. They don't, they don't, they don't, but Palestinians don't have videos out there bragging about how they were responsible for Martin Luther King Jr. and Harvey Milk, a disgusting, you know, and, you know, and yeah, I mean, sorry. I know who my enemy is. I may not want, I may not want to be, you know, bring a whole bunch of Palestinians here, especially ones that are basically PTSD from birth. But I know who, but I know who my enemy is. I know who my enemy is. I know who my, I know who my.

Yeah, and, and, you know, when we talk about Palestinians destabilizing Lebanon or whatever, as hunger said, that didn't just happen randomly. It's because they got displaced from where they'd been living for 2,000 years, right? And so, you know, one thing led to another. Anyway, okay, I'm going to hit you with two more companies and then I'm done. I didn't want to just overwhelm everybody with detail. I wanted to give you the main story, right? This battle tested and Gaza story. Okay, so founded in the 1990s, CELA, CELL, CELRite started out as a consumer technology firm, but by the 2010s was deep into the surveillance business

and mobile phone hacking because it saw the potential of huge profits from working with law enforcement officials around the world. Over 2,800 US government customers, including law enforcement agencies, including the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Agriculture, have purchased the company's equipment, equipment and the firm has hired prosecutors, police officers, and secret service agents to train people to use it. I told you all this to tell you this about Celebrite. Encrypted smartphones are

routinely and successfully broken into with Celebrite Tech. Upturn found that it had been done hundreds of thousands of times between 2015 and 2020. So you've got, you know, I'm a big Apple user. They have a huge emphasis on privacy, you know, like AI on an Apple phone doesn't phone home. It does it all on your phone, for example. But one suspects that celebrates figured out ways to get into my iPhone nonetheless, right? I'm going to assume that. And once again, you think you're anonymous and you're not. You think, oh, I'm using this throwaway email and I'm using a Google phone number.

No, I mean, they can get into your. phone. It's like what do you think you're doing here? Right. Okay. And then finally, Cy Group. In its heyday, Sygroup was busy deploying a range of software and people working as quasi-spies in the U.S. with social media and dark web searches and on-the-ground surveillance to monitor Jewish and Palestinian supporters of the boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement, the BDS movement around 2017. And this has been a theme, by the way, I talked about it on Thursday with the propaganda. The BDS movement has, I didn't think much of it.

I didn't think of it as very effective or whatever, but Israel's worried about it. I can tell you that based on the propaganda. And as we see here, the technology deployed against the BDS folks. And then, of course, we saw with the campus protests after October 7th against what Israel was doing in Gaza, Israel did not go, oh, it's just students. Don't worry about it. they came down very hard, had, you know, Jewish billionaires pulling funding from the universities, telling Columbia, you better get this under control.

And as far as I can tell, the college is obeyed. I mean, maybe you know the story better, Pete, but the college is muckle longer. But, you know, the BDS movement, I'm not really aware of how much that hurts Israel. They're afraid of it for some reason. But 10 years ago, I had seen an article about how in Texas you can't get a state contract or become like a state employee unless you have to sign something. This was 10 years ago where you have to basically deny or what do they call when you deny or when you say, oh, I have nothing to do with this. I think they're evil. What the hell is what's the terminology?

what was the word of before? You know what I'm talking about. Denounce or something like that. Yeah, but yeah, denounce. Yeah, you have to denounce the BDS movement. This is 10 years ago in Texas. And then you had what last year? Some little town found out that like $4 million or their tax money.

It may be less than that. Don't quote me on that. But over a million dollars of their tax money every year was going to Israel. And the town started looking into it and was like, you know, this money would be better off at home. And Greg Abbott came out and said, you know, this is a town of anti-Semites. Yeah. Right.

I talk about this all the time in the 80s. If you used the term Zog, they would break your door down. I mean, they would like literally send the FBI to your house. Yeah. Now it's like, it's so obvious that like people are using that term openly in public. And like, no one's doing anything. Yeah, yeah, too many. It's, it's proliferate.

I'm glad you mentioned, I'm glad you mentioned Zog, Pete, because I wanted to humbly, I'm not sure I've seen this anywhere else, but based on what we're learning today, I want to humbly submit that we might consider Zmec. It's not as fun to say as Zog, but the Zionist military industrial complex is one way we could refer to this mass here, right? It's bad enough dealing with our own in this country, also with the caveat. that so much of that is controlled by by Jewish money.

But then we have to deal with the other one. And the other one is, yeah. Yeah, and then you have another country that is basically using all of their tech, selling it to other countries, making money off of it, but still being able to profit off of it with information. I mean, it's, yeah. It's quite the scam.

Yeah. Okay, so I'll just share the last on the side group here. Yaakov Amadroer, the former national security advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told the New Yorker that he worked with the company because the Israeli government was there, not there, watching Palestinian activists. And I thought that if private people are ready to do it, it can be helped. His advice to side group staff was, don't beat them, don't go into their houses. The mission was to expose BDS supporters. side group staff were told the operation was legal and to particularly focus on BDS leaders at American universities. The company collaborated with the neo-conservative and pro-war Washington think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Just in case you haven't heard of FDD before, that name keeps popping up in my research. So anyway, I could go on and on. I didn't want to lose people just through sheer detail. I wanted to give you a flavor of it. I think if you want something short, look for the Jonathan Cook article. If you want a deeper dive, the Palestine Laboratory by Anthony Lowenstein. But you get the picture. They develop it on the Palestinians as guinea pigs. They sell it to our governments.

The governments use it on us. That's the story. You know, if you're not completely, if you haven't been completely, Not completely, but if your brain isn't zogged to the point where you can't feel bad for the Palestinians, and you do feel bad. I mean, this is so much worse. You know, it's like if you thought that they had a genuine hatred for these people and they just wanted to punish them, you could almost look at history and be like, okay, one people has done that

to another people over and over again. we're just seeing it live on TV. We're seeing it live on the internet, live on X, whatever. When you realize it's just like a testing ground for tech, it's like, I mean, it's very dark. I mean, like you said, it is, it is, I'm thinking of like 70s movies with the paranoia in some of those movies, you know, where he's, he's digging, he's digging. And then finally he finds the secret meeting where they're planning.

at all, you know. It's that kind of thing. It's like your paranoid 70s nightmare is just a line of business for Israel, a very important line of business for Israel. It's incredible. But you also let's not

here's what I like to say, okay, it's easy to blame everything on the Jews. Let's blame everything on them because, you know, there are Jews in very key positions. Right. But they don't make this money unless people buy the stuff from them. Absolutely. It's always, they can't do what they do alone.

Yep. You know, it kicked out of 109 countries. Well, guess what? They were invited into almost every single one of those countries by somebody who was thinking to benefit, they were going to benefit from having them there. Right. Let's not forget the people. Promwell, et cetera, right?

Let's not forget this because, you know, it's very easy. But if they go away, if that goes away, these people are going to look for somebody else to do it. They may even set it up. If they go away, that's a vacuum that's been created, that somebody will step in and fill. And it'll just be another group. And it's just, I mean, this is a lot bigger. When you really think about this, this is a whole lot bigger than just this one group of people who, you know, that. Well, the reason to have the emphasis you're saying is that, you know, because of the history you've been delving into on your channel, we might not want to put our chips on, you know, a big change in behavior on the part of Israel and Israelis.

so forth, right? There's a certain consistency. I think you've been pointing this out. There's a certain consistency over centuries, right? So this is the definition of insanity, right? We'll just change them. We'll fix them. Okay, well, there's another way to come at it, and I think that's what you're pointing to that is probably a healthier, more sane thing to do. How about we fix ourselves? Because they're just going to be how they are, but we don't have to be the other side of these wicked transactions. with, you know, stuff they've developed in Gaza, on human victims, right? We could tell our governments, we don't want you to buy that stuff and use it on us.

Don't do that, right? They can't occupy us without collaborators. Right. Right. And we're probably better off focusing on the collaborators that are like our own people, right, than thinking that we're going to, like, turn them around and have them suddenly act. differently than they have for 2,000 years. You're not going to change.

You're not going to change them, especially if you think that this is metaphysical. You're not going to change. If you think this is a spiritual war, you're not going to change them. The only way you're going to change them is through conversion. Yeah. We can pray for that, but yeah, you don't want to make your plans for tomorrow based on that, right? Correct. Yeah.

And I think you said this, Pete, but one of the things I did want to bring home is something that's bothered me online because I post a lot of stuff about Israel and Gaza and so forth. And one of the responses that has gotten under my skin a little is when people say, hey, look, man, it's just two sand people fighting over there. What's this got to do with me? Well, I would say the show today is one way to answer that question. Here, it's got a lot to do with you. In fact, turns out it's affecting your life. It's affecting how you're being treated in your society in the West, right? You want to live a life.

You have an expectation of privacy in your own home. Yeah. And this is a country who is developing tech. These are people who are developing technology to make sure that doesn't happen. Yeah, exactly. And American, our companies are American companies or American companies or companies that I mean who knows if they're American anymore. Can a corporation really be considered to be American when you're public?

It's you know when you're on the stock exchange or yeah at or use bonds and go stormy and I need to do a long deep dive into that. But yeah the this is a whole we really need to start looking. I mean, if If we're not going to change them, then we have to concentrate on change in what we have here. And if we can't change what we have here, okay, what we do. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's what I got.

Thanks, Pete. Yeah, yeah. My channel, I use my name, Stephen Carson. I'm not in an on. I put my channel name on there just as marketing. My channel name is Radical Liberation. I have been doing a series on the U.S. Israel relationship. There's a little bit more to it than I've even mentioned.

Oh, I know. Here's another one to mention. Target Russia. I talked about how a hundred years ago, Jacob Schiff, an important banker in the early, late 19th, early 20th century, worked with other bankers to get Japan money so that it could keep going in a war against Russia because all the way back then, they were targeting Russia. So I thought that was really interesting to learn about that. There's more to it than that too, because on our 200 Years Together series, while Russia is bogged down in this war against Japan and they're being funded by the West and being funded by Jewish millionaires all over the world.

Jewish revolutionaries are rising up in Russia to overthrow the Tsar. Yeah. Yeah. One of the reasons why people will look and say Russia lost the Russo-Japanese War. Well, they had to pull their troops back home because they had a frigging revolution had just started. And the revolution was led by overwhelmingly Jewish thought leaders. Yeah. So anyway, I've been saying on Twitter, Pete, this rabbit hole doesn't seem to have any

bottom but I think you know that more than me so yeah well well former former president I appreciate you coming on today okay thank you very much thanks Radlin take care