The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1253: 08/10/25 - Livestream - The JQ in Historical Context w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

74 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.Thomas joined Pete for his Sunday livestream to talk about the JQ from a historic, non-hysterical context.Thomas' SubstackRadio Free Chicago - T777 and J BurdenThomas777 MerchandiseThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Search Trump Ireland gift vouchers. Trump on Dunebiog, Kush Faragea. Hey, everyone. Looks like I got a guest with me today. What's up, Thomas? Hey, how are you, man? Doing good. Doing good. Just logged on and waiting for everybody to catch up here.

How's your Sunday going on? It's going fine. I realize I'm going to kind of a bomb. I'm on Sunday I kind of go into repose, you know, so don't take it to course me. That's fine. No problem. Are we watching a movie tonight? I'll see what I feel, depending on how long as goes.

How's that? I don't mean to be flaky, but I'm... Okay, yeah, no problem. My energy level's going to vary, but we'll go as long as you want on the stream. Sure. Okay, cool. So I wanted to have you on today to... This whole occupation regime,

that we've been suffering. There's a lot of people who, once they discover, you know, things like the JQ and things like that, they believe that everyone, that the world is basically fallen to it, and that it controls everyone. And to the point where they don't think that an independent, like country,

a country could actually have a Jewish population and organized Jewish population and not be controlled by them. So I guess, you know, first, this came up, this just a whole Russia thing yesterday because apparently Putin is, Putin has been called Habodnik. How, without even addressing the Russian thing, because I think, it's stupid. The idea that a country cannot have an organized Jewish population and still be a country that isn't run by them. How does that, in your head, how does that work? Well, the problem is that lay people, I don't want to terminology, but I can't think of a better way to characterize it. They don't understand politics and they don't understand historical processes.

and they don't understand the anthropological aspects of these things. It's like these guys who, you know, and I don't want to be too hard on Alex Jones, because I think in some ways he does good things. And I'd rather, I've got no wonder to convincing Normies or anything, but I'd rather people consume that kind of stuff than, say, like, Fox News. But even like a bunch of Alex Jones fanboys, they'll claim stuff like the Cold War with some sort of a ledger domain. I mean, that's just not how human society at scale works. And that's not a human interface with technology.

You know, you don't kill off hundreds of thousands of people like pretending to wage proxy wars against the Soviet Union. And you don't devise weapons platforms that cost billions and billions of dollars at the end of the day that deploy to orbital space and can wipe out entire cities so that you can pretend that you're fighting some sort of ideological conflict to fool people. I mean, if you think that, you're a complete idiot. But, I mean, more people think that way than you might suspect. Because the variables are too complex, or they're too nuanced, or there's an intuition required

to kind of perceive these things that's just beyond them. so their view is that the world is organized like their workplace or something where interseen rivalries don't compromise the core mission of the firm or something and ordinary people

which is sub-delect to these designs of more powerful people it's like a symbol as character the way things really are and I think what people think about design is their idea such that they can perceive it at all is that Jews are bad guys or they're like rich guys who are some sort of

Machiavellian global elite who just control everything like some sort of like some sort of majority shareholder population and a big company you know and like I said it's it's a case of people not understanding of human populations interact and uh how conceptual horizons of respective populations collide, and how even people who don't necessarily have personal enmity towards one another or some sort of horrible cultural clash and how they live among each other,

sometimes the existence of one has a deleterious effect on the way of life of the third-for dominant culture, and that leaves too violence. I mean, honestly, there's that. aspect in post-Soviet Russia between Slavs and Jews. I don't think those Slavs hate Jews or vice versa. I think they look down on each other. Okay.

But they don't look at each other the way, you know, like white folks and blacks did during like the worst days to like the 60s and early 90s. And they don't look at each other the way like Palestinians and Israelis do. You know, people would think that like politics has to do with like people you personally don't like. That has nothing to do with it either. But there's the same people, too, think that, like, the grand question is, like,

there's too many Mexicans and I don't want to live by black people. Like, neither one of which is a political problem. There's political implications on both of those things. But those are social problems. You know, this is exactly why you're an idiot if you pretend that, like, people voting somehow dictates the course of, actual events and the disposition of elites. Like even if there was some ethical

characteristic to mass enfranchisement, which there isn't. But at the end of there was, these people can't understand the subject matter. So what it would be like, it'd be like consulting people who can't do math on how to design and build a bridge that will be able to bear a load or something.

you know, it's that kind of stuff. And people, particularly people born after the Cold War, I'm not trashing young people at all. I don't do that. And I think young people at scale, actually have a lot of insights, older people don't. But I think people,

unless they have been, like, insinuated into the culture, or they're kind of part of the minority, it's a growing minority, but it's still a minority of people who, like, travel a lot and, like, spend time in the old East block, they don't understand the wrong. Russians. Like, they just don't. But they think Russia is like the EU, but they're just kind of difference. Or they got this idea that Russians are these kinds of malicious bad guys, but they don't understand that there's a really tragic and really dysfunctional relationship between Jews and the majority there. You know, like, Solonnes, they wrote an entire book on that. This characterized the Soviet Union for 70 years. They literally went to war with Israel. You know, the, a catalyst, moment one of the major plane hijackings and one of the few were successful

direct action team was able to liberate the aircraft without killing all the hostages it was an early success at GSG9 they were like the Bundesphere like counterterrorism unit it's not surprising that the crowds did this well okay but flight what Lufthons of Flight 181 it was hijacked by the popular front floration of Palestine in general command They're the same guys who blew up the discotheque in West Berlin. But interestingly, and people don't know this, it was like three men and a woman who were the hijack team. And that was the first time anybody ever wore like a shade of Vera vestige on their shirt.

Like the PFLP did that because they were saying that like, you know, Palestine's the front line of the struggle against, you know, capitalism. you know and like the jews are these are oppressive standard bearers of you know america you know and uh incidentally that's why guys like hors de maller and other like national socialist partisans you know were involved with like the roth army fraction and things but uh it was understood during the cold war like the mortal enemies of israel are the east block okay i mean this one without saying everybody understood that the you know basically like the main enemy of jury and political terms is is Russia okay it was went without saying you know and that they didn't saw go away after the Cold War

and the Ukraine War I the enemies the Russian Federation which I had the bit to do that anyway like NATO was looking for another make-work deployment but it was mainly returning the serve because the Russian Federation deployed to Syria and routed the Israelis. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design, they move you even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range for Mentor, Leon, and Teramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2000 euro.

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Putin was just kidding when the Air Force of the Russian Federation deployed, you know, basically to provide combined arms for Hezbollah and the Syrian Arab Army against the IEF and their allies. And then this guy who's like randomly, this Jewish Zionist somehow gets installed in Ukraine. And then suddenly there's like this massive escalation. That's just a coincidence. But like Putin actually loves Israel and their friends. I mean, I, that's so stupid. I'm not going to entertain it. Okay, I mean, it's, I don't argue with people like that,

but the same reason I argue with people who tell me that, like, the moon landing was fake or that, like, 9-11 was fake. I mean, you're, I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're mentally retarded if you think that way. But, yeah, and that, I mean, that's why, well, it's the same reason people, I mean, I don't really care what my ops say, because, like, generally I don't respect them.

Like, the only ops I respected in my life, like, we're all dead by now. like the ones that exist now like just don't cut it um but like these internet i get i get like hate shit all the time and like generally don't read it but occasionally i do and like uh i think i i don't know exactly what they were talking about and i'm not trying to personalize this but like it's it's illustrated like uh this like r t chick i don't want to hide parts she's like this jewish broad i mean she's cool she's a friend of mine you know like sometimes we go off for drinks or something and um you know uh she knows some of the same people i do university of chicago but

you know she like posts up some selfies with me which is fine you know i i like it when girls want to take photos of me and people like you're a phony because you like don't hate jews i'm like why would i hate jews and i'm starting like hating people like what does that even mean you know like i i walk around i'm like attack mode and i'm like this person's my enemy in political terms I'm going to go egg their house or, like, murder them. I mean, what's like what? Well, it also, it by, it's you becoming them. I mean, they have a genuine hatred of people who they consider to be their enemies.

Oh, yeah. And it's a bad look. And it's also insane. I mean, for the record, there's chicks like anti-Zionists. That's one of the common. You know, but like, it's, I mean, obviously, okay? Otherwise, why would she associate with me? But the point is, like, um, yeah, it's,

that you feel like a rational person. I mean, sitting around hating people is unmanely anyway. That's not what rational men do. It's un-Aryan. It's unchristian. But it's also not what politics are about. You know, I mean, God forbid, God forbid if some sort of early 90s or like 1968 situation jumped off here.

And like black folks were gunning for me for the color of my skin. skin, I would not hesitate to like lock and load and throw shots at them to defend myself. That doesn't mean like I hate the black guys I know. Like, again, like why was it one thing to do with the other? You know, does that mean if your country goes to war? You're only going to answer the call. It's like you personally hate the people down range of your field of fire. That's the way like little girls think about stuff.

Yeah. It also takes away from the history. historic respect of one's enemy. That too, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's not personal. I mean, like, it's, for better or worse, the natural state of the, of this world is conflict, conflict's endemic.

I mean, like I'm always saying, I mean, general warfare at scale is rare, but conflict is endemic. And I mean, that's, it's literally authored into every aspect of, sociological existence and um it wouldn't make any sense to be upset about that i mean the kinds of people who can't accept reality are these kinds of ridiculous you know uh progressive types who thankfully are mostly going to die off with the elder generation but they're the only people who think it's incorrect that the world is this way and we've got to social engineer that away you know, you claim to be right wing, but your whole old kink is like, I hate X, Y, and Z people, and that's what informs my politics.

Because, like, I just hate people. Like, that's, you know, like I said, that's not the way, it's not the way that's unmanly. And aside from the fact, it's got nothing to do with existential realities. Well, here's a question. And I'll, as somebody who may be Catholic, but also has a pretty good. education in Calvinist theology. So hate is always irrational. God made a mistake by providing that particular emotion. God provided everything and some things are a sin. Yeah, that's like saying that like God approves of rape because like men rape women at war.

You know, like, I there's not, you don't understand Christianity if that's what you think about it. Yeah. If there's no sin, there'd be like no point to human life and they're there would also be no piety and there'd be no salvation. Yeah. So one of the things I wanted to say about Russia was I have a friend, he's been on the show a couple of times, Ferris Modad. He's from Lebanon originally. He lives in England now.

And something he said about Putin was Putin can accept the fact that there are people in his country that are talking about communism. People can accept the, Putin can accept the fact that there are people in his country even talking about fascism. But Putin cannot accept that there is anyone promoting liberalism in his country. He goes, when Putin, when people start to promote liberalism, which is probably the most deracinating and chaos-inducing system, he has to put that person down. he has yeah well it's also people don't understand they're like

the Russians are anti-Nazi so they must like Zionism or like liberals it's like do you realize these people lost one in six of their population in four years so 25 million of them went down fighting the German Reich are they supposed to be like yeah we we love

Nazism it's like you fucking retarded I mean like how else why why the actual fuck would the Russians like national social I think they're like, that's cool. Like, that's their, it makes perfect sense for the Ivans to hold out the German Reich as their ultimate, like, Tleric evil. That makes perfect sense.

Like, what else would they, how else would they conceptualize it? You know, but it's not, it's not the Russians who build Holocaust museums. It's not the Russians do. When the Russians conquered the Eastern Occupation Zone, they encouraged the, they encouraged the, the national vaux army to preserve the traditions of the obermacht they said we're not we're not we're not going to build a memorial to jewelry we we we we lost 20 million people fighting the fascists we're the victims of fascism you know they went to war with israel you know you can't pull that card that you know stupid on purpose card that because the russians don't um they don't like the german rike and they don't

appreciate it when these like confused white nwards in ukraine like pretend that they're nazis by like fighting for greater judea you know the the fact that russians don't appreciate that it doesn't like make them a bunch of like anti-fascist liberals but again i mean some people are too stupid to be alive and the people propose those things constitute that class yeah so i think people see that Putin would go out of his way to protect the jewish population in his country which is also something that Assad did which is also which is also something that iran does right now so i guess if you do that to some people that means that you have to have to you're bowing down to them.

They somehow control you. It just doesn't make, it doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if you've bought into these people can control, or are in control of everything. Well, it's like I said, that's why most, most normies, like, shouldn't try and understand these things, because apparently they're not capable. I also think that most people, like, for better or worse,

I kind of a weird upbringing, because, again, you know, Like my mom was a rich kid from LA. My dad was like this dirt poor Oki who ended up becoming very successful. But I'm kind of like as a redneckish person who grew up in Chicago. And specifically I grew up in like a very Jewish hood. Okay. I was like around these people my whole life. I'm like still around them.

Like that doesn't mean I have like any grand insight. But when there's guys from like the middle of nowhere or from like Mall of America, geography of nowhere places, they develop. this kind of like weird idea of like Jews that is like no basis in reality. You know, this goes for like the mega church retards who think Jews are like these like Viking super-yrians who like love democracy or whatever. And it goes to these guys who think that they're like these like super being bad guys, you control everything.

Like you don't understand them as a people. I think that I do. I think that I, frankly, that's part of it, you know. Air grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the North West. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community.

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Same deal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he says, he says this. He goes, when I'm talking about jury, I'm not talking about my dentist. I'm not talking about an organ, I'm talking about an organization, an inclination, a, um, He goes something that can't just be laid off on one person. It's something, you know, and, you know, we're covering, you know, Solzhenitsyn wrote the book on this and gave us a whole history of one country

and how they dealt with it. And we're covering this. And even even Solzhenyson shows that early in the book, in the Stettel system, that it was 5% of the population of that system that had any power. any wealth, anything. And they were just as apt to destroy or oppress their own people as they were anyone else. People also don't understand, I mean, they don't understand, I mean, they don't understand the political. I mean, you're talking about impersonal forces of a historical nature at literally global scale. You know, it, you know, the, you know, the,

It'd be like saying, it'd be like judging a variable in economics or like a scale economic actor by how this guy you know spends his money and invests. Like it's not what we're talking about. You know, and it's maybe, it's also the reason why it fails when these American Renaissance types act like Asians or some super race because they don't commit crimes. it's like you know your enemy in political terms is your enemy because him asserting his own politics constitutes a repudiation of your way of life like maybe this population are a bunch of great guys and they're saintly or maybe they're like reprobate savages and criminals it doesn't matter because that's not how we judge politics i don't want to be ruled by the chinese because they don't go out and steal cars you know and if you think about it that way again you're you're a bourgeois simpleton, you know. Well, I mean, it's odd. Guys, or maybe maybe they're terrible people generally, it doesn't matter because Jewish politics constitutes a recudiation of my way of life.

Correct. Whether the kind of guys that don't want to have over for cocktails or to talk about women in the NFL or whether they're like guys who are like scumbags and I can't stand the sight of, that's totally irrelevant. The, so you can look at things like this. I love reading the Jerusalem Post because they basically will tell you, it's almost like it's, like, is that all joke about you see a headline or you read something in a Jewish periodical? It's like, okay, is this the Daily Forward or the Daily Stormer? I can't tell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they had this article and shout out to the guys on the Third Rail podcast for pointing this out. It's from two weeks ago. It says, if New York falls, the country follows is the future of American Jewry at risk. And they're talking to this rabbi, Dr. Hank Scheimkoff. And this is what he says, okay? He says, this is the way they describe him. Scheimkoff has worked on over 700 political campaigns in 14 countries, in four continents, and in 44 U.S. states.

Some names among his previous clientele, Bill Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, Mexican president, Lionel Fernandez. People read that, and it's obvious that there is organized jury. If this guy is on four continents promoting elections, I guarantee you, he's not promoting elections that are not in his best interest or whoever's finding. He's in a piece that says this guy they're talking about, who's running from here in New York, you sound like pussy liberal. You know, if you find this guy scary, you're either a demented old woman or you're some crazy Zionist who like, when the wind blows, you claim you're about to be pogromed. So I mean, like, the fact is these people are slipping because they've been old up for a member when they didn't talk that way. There was actually like something slick about their propaganda.

of you know like in 1985 if you'd read the jay post it'd be like you know for example if you're saying like you know the soviet union brutalizes you know a non-conformist of where they go look at what they're doing in afghanistan you know soviet jury loves freedom and wants to live like americans and he's Stalinist oppressors are are abusing them now i mean obviously a narrative like that is laden with propaganda too but it's like actually credible in a certain way, like, uh, claiming some, like, claiming some cornball, like, Berkeley type guy who claims to be Moslem, but, like, goes to, like, his gay friends, weddings and shit. He's like, she's going to program us. It's like, you look like a fucking idiot. You know, I mean, it's like, and then, yeah, like, and then it'll be like, this guy, like, rabbi, like, shiki, like, fuck Bach. It's like, he owns, you know, like, a, uh, he owns, like, a gay pornography label. And, like, he's involved in human trafficking and you know he's on the staff of like freedom loving blad mrs olensky and like this italian mafia boss and like he was a friend of geoffrey upstein

and then like when people like on the internet like start dropping comments like you know this guy sounds like a super villain or something you know they they like banished all comments and stuff it's like man like you guys you guys are like something out of austin powers or something man it's like what happened to you did you all like lobomize ourselves or something like I mean, that's kind of a silly rant, but... And you can tell how bad off they have it where they still have to go to the Russia evil well. And then they go to like Iran and Syria and Assad, Syria and places like that, which anyone who like can do a search on Google can find out that there are huge Jewish communities there have been for thousands, you know, for a thousand years. and they're protected by the government.

And here's another thing. If you say that, there are people who like just found out about the JQ a month ago who will be like, well, why are they protecting Jews? Why would Vladimir Putin care about Russian Jews being in danger anywhere? He should want to kill them all, right? Yeah, because it's like retardo politics. It's like retardo non-politics.

What's also too. I mean, the problem with Zionism. I mean, and I'm not going to sit here and I mean, obviously, I don't think Israel was ever like anything but a totally dysfunctional political system. But it did actually use to be a multi-party system like before Rabin was assassinated. And, you know, the policy in terms of direct administration of conquered territories and obviously the founding action. of Israel was a mass ethnic cleansing operation and you can't erase that but moving forward you can't have a leekud one party state that's like this openly racial state that

regularly assaults into this kind of mass concentration camp that is Gaza to quite literally thin the ranks that people have identified as their racial enemies you can't do that and turn around and talk about how like well

we're an especially victimized population because racists don't like us. Like that just doesn't work. You know, even a simple to, and that's one of the reasons why, like, world opinion is totally shifted. I mean, part of it's the Cold War ending, a little paradigm ending.

But world opinion doesn't matter, whether that's right or not, it isn't important. You know, you can't make yourself a pariah and then appeal to, like, Nuremberg morality to say, no, I'm not a pariah. I'm a victim. That doesn't work. That's what I'm always saying. It's like late Soviet in nature, you know, both the propaganda from the Department of

State as well as out of Tel Avid. It's like these people don't understand there's got to be context. You know, otherwise it doesn't serve a purpose. Otherwise, it's your, it's self-defeating. It's worse than neutral. It's self-defeating. Yeah, it's it really. It really, is with how people can access so much information and then they can talk in public now through social media and different platforms. They can start a podcast and everything. It really just goes to show you how people don't understand politics. Like if you were to say, if you were to tell people, ask people the question, okay, so basically the Vietnam War was a proxy war with world communism and the United States.

Okay, so well, why was the United States, you know, why was your grain trade between the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War? They can't, they can't wrap their head around that. You can wrap your head around how you can have your, you can trade with like your biggest enemy on the planet. And that. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and

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But I realize that too, even people who otherwise, I think I said really realizing this, you know, when I rejoined the world and stuff in, you know, October 2020. Before that, you know, it had been a few years already since I got my life together and stuff. But like when I was on probation and stuff, I was still writing. But I was basically just like going to Washington Library. in Winston Library and like writing stuff and doing my own research and there was like two or three guys who I'd run into like around the city who I'd talk to about these things but I didn't really realize the depth of people's ignorance I remember right when I got online again I uh I was trying to explain to

this guy kind of my interpretation of the Great Depression and uh I realized he was talking to talking about national states, which is something you probably picked up in college. He's like talking about the world, like it was the year 1930. I'm like that there aren't no more states. You know, there's something nominally called the United States of America where like powers concentrated. Periodically is crackdowns on like the free flow of persons and commerce across the border is what you're seeing now. But this idea that there's like these discrete self-contained loci of power that are essentially insular from one another. It's like that

honestly hasn't existed since 1918. This is a fiction. You know, it's a fiction. I'm not even saying it's like led your meaning by horrible people. People invoke these concepts more or less to kind of conceptualize the world

because otherwise we're talking an abstraction and there's not like a common conceptual vocabulary. I mean, like yeah, there's a place called France. There's a place called England. There's a place called Japan, but those places have been called that for thousands of years. You know, this idea of like Westphalian-style states, that's not some permanent thing. And essentially the 300 years subsequent were like moves towards, you know, a limited modality

a globalism, which was the superpower era, which is why World War II happened. The Cold War was the grand struggle between two globalisms. Now there is one globalism. Like, where are these other forms of government? Don't say like North Korea, which is some weird garrison state, because unfortunately for them, they border Russia and China. And don't talk about some like random kingdom of like 150,000 people. I'm talking about like real, at-scale political organization.

There's only one form of government. that's one of the Department of States illiterate it's not democracy and not democracy what's the not democracy is there is there a is there an eastern block i thought it went away i seem to remember watching the brilliant wall fall when i was a kid what's the not democracy but i mean this cuts to the whole the illiteracy i mean i mean israel is a particularly extreme case because they were very amused they're this weird outlier like in terms of their political values and their security situation within the rationality of those values. But there's not like dozens of forms of government. You know, there's only one. It doesn't make sense to talk otherwise. But the State Department, Israel, this entire constellation of the dominant globalist faction, they speak as if it's 1980. because they're illiterate.

And they don't know how to characterize the world anymore. I mean, part of that is problematic because it pokes holes in their narrative. But even aside from that, there's like a monumental illiteracy in conceptual terms there. So Dr. Johnson and I are reading 200 years together. We're 61 episodes in on that. Oh, wow. That's a lot. We're not even halfway done.

We're just getting the halfway point of book. Yeah, it's, you know, no problem. And, you know, like Carl, Carl Dahl and I just did an episode on, Yeah, he's my front. Yeah, he's a good guy. And we just did an episode on Kudrianu and the Iron Guard and, you know, how A.C. Cusa was such a inspiration on them because of his talk of how jewelry was taking over Romania. What is the benefit? Like, what do you see as the benefit of talking about that now?

talking about Jewry historically, how Zog now. What's the benefit of doing? I mean, I mean, I could take arrows on this one from you if you want to point. Is there, what is the benefit of me doing all of this and talking about all of this? Because you're not going to be able to, nobody's going to be able to make sense of the current political and sociological paradigm, unless they understand these things. and unless you understand the Second World War and the variables that led to it, you're not going to understand the 20th century.

If you don't understand the 20th century, you don't understand today. And everything that happens today is derivative of that precedent. And particularly these actors in the Islamic world, the Russian Federation, Israel, you know, the Jews as a people, like globally, their global diaspora, the disposition of America, which is not like the legacy government of George Washington or something,

it's the legacy government of the New Deal regime. That's the only way to conceptualize these things. And plus, too, like, you know, you know, Schumpeter? I mean, Schumpeter was actually like a pure political economist in a lot of ways. I don't think we can talk about, like, a pure economics, and the way we can talk about like neoliberal economics we're talking about Schumpeter but uh you know how we talk about conditri waves like in economics okay very me if I'm portraying the pronunciation but um basically in his book business cycles like capitalism social and democracy

it's kind of his most accessible book and that was his book that sold the best his most important book was business cycles which one other things is like a huge repudiation to Keynes but it's very very dense it's two values it's very difficult but it's in my opinion it's a seminal statement on political economy like last like 500 years probably okay but his whole point was look you can't somebody else it's wrong with Keynes that entire paradigm you can't look at like a 30-year increment of macroeconomic activity and uh scaled actors therein. You've got to look at this over, at minimum, probably 250 years, honestly, probably more like 300 years. If you want to get a conceptual picture of economic development at scale and what business cycles truly represent, you've got to look at politics the same way. If I take like the last 30 years, for example, I say, I'm going to study from 1995 to, you know, August 10th, 2025, that's a lot of doesn't tell me anything you know I mean so okay I can break down I can break down like

orders of battle and casualties and geostrategic nuances of like the Gulf War you know and then person just like bin Laden and then how they were able to corral you know guys with combat experience as like you know direct action elements and terrorist activity and I can talk about like the response to 9-11 but in and of itself, that's meaningless. Like, that's like, it'd be like if accident investigators, like, these days, I know this so I'm on foot a lot. I'm on footer on CTA.

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Trying to just take like a 20 or 30 year increment of history, they'd be like if these accident guys came on an accident and said, no, no, no, we're not going to model anything that happened before. I only care about what happened at the moment of impact. that's how we're going to solve this accident. That wouldn't tell you anything. They'd, like, tell you how the body's ragged out. That tell you about how, like, a Tesla when it collides with, like, a Jeep Cherokee.

It tells you, like, how the conventions come apart or, like, how the airbag deploys. It would tell you nothing about the causal variables at accident. Do you see what I mean? That jumped out of me because of the kind of research I do, I guess. That was, like, the connection I made when this lady told me that, and when I got home started like Google fooling this shit. But that's why you've got to look at it. So that's why it's important.

Let's do the Iron Guard specifically is a weird, not weird in negative terms. It's unusual phenomenon. That's why someone has written about it on Romania. You don't think of Romania as this country that has this monumental impact on European culture generally. because it other than all stirring the troubles it's really the only and I realize that the sectarian

sympathies were very different in each case but it's really the only case of like late modern Christian populations developing like a holy warrior element okay and that's highly significant and there's a parallel there between that and

the Islamic awakening. And that makes it relevant to today in a way that not in ethical terms, but in formal and structural terms, you know, things like these most fascist parties on like the national socialist movement aren't. You know, there's like a national, it's relevant to study the German Reich, but, you know, again, like that, dialectically, it was so bound up with like the labor movement.

and direct antithetical resistance to communism and stuff you know again like the ethical foundation of it is perennial but the structure of it is kind of historically contingent the iron guard is an outlier and it i mean all all political modes of warfare and mobilization therein are are historically contingent but that has a more uh but that has a more timeless significance. You know, even though that's temporarily bound,

like everything else too, that's why those things are significant. I think one of the interesting things that Carl said about the Iron Guard was that they were early. They're doing what they were doing what we're doing now. They were going around the country building social capital with people. They were going around the country building parallel institutions. institutions. They were doing things that we should be doing now, which a lot of the same people who, you know, can't get their head out of their ass, you know, who should, you know, who should be sympathetic to the things that we talk about, but they can't get their head out of their ass because they think that this is all going to be solved on the national level. Well, yeah, because they don't get it because they're still thinking in terms of this, this, they're imprisoned by 20th century. You think? you know um yeah well that's why that was the whole point of um that i mean that's another thing

is that uh these romanian guys they weren't they weren't they weren't reactionaries you know but they also weren't these like secular like arch futurists you know they uh and that but that's why that's why i met mercia eliotti who really was kind of their uh like a lot of uh a lot of ad weshem who kind of wanted to murk him exaggerated his role in direct action type of stuff in the Iron Guard. But Murcia El Liyadi, he really was like a philosopher of the Romanian dissident right. And that's why he was an important theologian. And that's also why he had, that's why he was conceptually sophisticated on anthropology and theology and stuff like that. you know and he because he had a you had a very progressive view of politics and direct action they're not

not progressive in values terms i mean progressive in uh like formal terms and you know that's remarkable but a lot of uh i mean romea is a great country and a great people i'm not saying bad things about them but romania traditionally is you know somewhat underdeveloped you know and there's and there's structural difficulties there but that's those that kind of situations where often you get very sophisticated revolutionaries emerge it from you know um probably because those people have a difficult life and you know the the kind of true intelligency among them you know they they spent a lot of time thinking about things especially in comparative terms you know because they because they because they because they're stuck really impacts your life you know if you're a comparatively

comfortable guy you know in the united states or even even at this day like in a lot of the ukings messed up, but like in a London or something, like generally, you're not really thinking about, nor do you care about, you know, what life is like for people where, you know, things like, you know, religiosity is, as like a day-to-day significance and kind of immediate conceptual terms, you know? I mean, I think about that stuff, but I mean, that's not much smarter than anybody, but I have like kind of a weird life. And there have been times, where in part like due to my own doing I was like really poor or like I was having difficulty surviving and stuff and like you you know generally like uh that's not like an

entirely bad experience like I mean I I don't at my age now I'd prefer not to go through that again but uh you know it you get you it promotes like you know um meaningful reflection on stuff you know um and you compare, like, different modes of life, you know. So I think that's part of it. But also, El Yadda, Romania's an interesting, I mean, Romania's, they're literally like a Latin culture. I mean, it was like a Roman lost battalion who basically bred with, you know, doccians and stuff you have, like, Romanians. and like they the language they speak is closest to latin of moving languages but they're like a bit but

they're like they belong to byzantium you know they're like very orthodox so they straddle this like weird kind of civilizational dyed and uh i think that's part of it um you know that tends to prompt uh reflections on things of you know like an ontological name sure. But I don't know. But there's a tenor of mysticism in Romanian religiosity too that was able to remain alive even as

the ontological shock of modernity kind of strip that kind of thing away. That's also why I mean that's why Ben Laden gravitated to Afghanistan. Like people make jokes, people make jokes and stuff. I mean, it's fine. I'm not saying people shouldn't joke about ethnic. like stuff but you know bin laden his first destination was Sudan you know he funded a bunch of

infrastructural projects projects there because he thought that you was going to replace like a pure Islam but thrive and people superficially the way they come at that the way they come at that is oh well he's talking about primitive conditions or you know places where you know like a local imam still has a lot of clout no that's not what he was talking about you're talking about like an intuitive way of life where this kind of awareness of pre-rational things was like a part of the living faith and he came to the conclusion

that Sudan was not that place you know people are Sudanese or a bunch of like bombs you ride around in Toyotas with like clashing across and there's something there's probably something to be but in Afghanistan I mean Afghanistan is probably more primitive than Sudan

but he's like among these past dunes you know there's like a true Islam can thrive they're like receptive to it and you know they it's you know and i them being like a warrior race i'm sure it's something to do with it but you know um i'm not suggesting something like romanians or like you know that their conditions are as are as primitive as that of passions but i i'm just saying a complimentary thing of both populations you know um so that that's something to consider you know and but

this is one of the reasons why like religiosity and the praxis of it is mysterious, you know? So there are a lot of people who have this, this romantic, if you want to call it, romantic notion of that the way that, you know, the United States is going to be de-zogged or, you know, the globalism will be kicked from it is the country is going to become 110. It's going to be, oh, they mean, kicked out of 109 countries, and the United States is going to be the 110th country that it kicked out of.

I have a tendency to believe that that's not going to happen. So I guess the question, the question is, is how is Zog, how is this occupation defeated ultimately? Because historical processes are taking it down. And, you know, the only strength of it is, the strength of it is the ability to, manipulate sociological factors and to enforce social engineering. Well,

that apparatus is going away. You know, and ironically, as true globalism sets in economically, I mean, the multilateral system is dead, but that's a different thing. Like, what matters,

I mean, don't get me wrong. That's the one thing I like that the administration is doing is there you know they've realized a workable return to bilateral trade arrangements which is essential because running massive running massive deficits that that's catastrophic okay but the issue the issue is an imports and exports as regards to globalism it's it's the velocity and mobility of money and that's not going away that's here to stay it's becoming more integrated Okay. So anywhere on this planet, I can do business and access money. And so can any other man. Okay, unless he's like in a penitentiary or something, obviously. But concomitant with that, political globalism is becoming decentralized because there's no other choice. So free association is returning by necessity, even if it's not the political will to try and break it up.

you know um and uh as there's a the court of global opinion truly becomes just positive people won't tolerate these imperatives anymore it's already happening the entire world despises israel you know this idea that uh you know like i said before too like you know even even policing at 20 centuries about policing is coming going to end so it's like okay like moving forward over the next two three centuries i mean it's already happening in earnest but i'm saying like this gets more fully realized so here's a community that's like 90 percent white there's like a community like harvey it's like it's like it's like 99 for and i'm like black folks you know here's like a community you know like like pilson is now where it's basically like spanish

okay what what's going to happen is like the national gargling with salt and say we demand you stop living this way or what you're going to shoot us all try it how's that how's that going to work for you? I was going to work when like your live streaming guys like opening up on like regular guys and their wives and kids for like not having enough black people live there. Or in the case of black folks like not being integrated enough. That's done. That's unthinkable.

That's how. I think what a lot of, I think what a lot of people will argue is, is that whether you take the Kevin McDonald route about evolution, you know, how how Jews have evolved through revolution. process is to be so insular, or you take the E. Michael Jones where, you know, they denied Logos and at the cross, you know, they've been since then, I have a tendency to take a mixture of both. I believe both have, both have validity to it. That as long as they're there, as long as they're amongst you, they're going to be seeking to subvert. So how can you live with them? Because that's not because people don't understand. The reason why this reads such intent, Hannah Arendt, who was Heidegger's

acolyte. You know, her book, The Origin of Totalitarianism, is a really good book. You know the title's a little weird? She basically breaks down exactly, like, what Jewish power is. And, you know, before the end of the 19th century, Jews had no political power. They had economic power. That's not like a small thing.

But they had no political clout. That was laughable. Suddenly in the 20th century, they did. And gee, look what happened. Isn't that interesting? You know, it's also too, like I'm not saying that people in the pale settlement or that, you know, the Jewish minority in England, you know, 1280, like, was doing good things for the contrary was benign.

But the reason why people like Edward kicked them out was because he didn't want to pay them back. It's not because he's like, I'm a white man. And the hell with these Jews who aren't white. They're commies. It was, okay, you guys like fund of my war against the French. But, you know, I don't like the fact that

you're shy locking me on interest. And I can't pay right now anyway. I'm the king. What are you going to do? Oh, you don't like it. Get out. Those few rights you had, they're gone. That's what it was. It wasn't like he was based and Cromwell was like a liberal who liked Jews. Like that you can't like extrapolate current conditions back then.

You know. And with the rubber met the road, yeah, you had especially like, I mean, Poland, Ukraine, which were like the same territory for a long time, that was basically like a goy of slave plantation. You know, the most, you know, the most enslaved populations were like, North Africans, Arabs, and Slavs. You know? And so, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that's, like, a minor thing. But people have this idea that, like, the political paradigms of, like, the 1930s existed

in, like, the 1130s. And, like, that's why Jews were disliked. Like, that makes no sense. You know? And, like I said, okay, move forward, like, 200 years where there's, like, not. really a United States of America, then kind of like a name only. Law enforcement and military power is like almost exclusively private. You know, if you, or it's like self-help oriented. You know, there's no more public school. There's a the bully pulpit of media. This is the

20th century is gone forever. There's no possibility of something like a cold war happening again because true globalism is now centuries old. Like what is the federal government going to do to people? Like I said, they're going to get a bunch of Pinkerton to like shoot everybody who's not diverse in the community they live in. That's laughable.

You know, like it's, this is coming to an end and people don't understand that. And I try and tell them to get it again and they don't listen to me. Old people do know some things. When I was like a teenager,

Like half of the places I go out regularly, like nighttime or daytime, if I went there, I might have gotten fucking killed. Like black people would literally like kill me. Now that's unthinkable. 30 years ago, Bill Clinton, he'd say to the DNC, like, you know, in like 50 years, it'll only be one race. People like, who, yeah, anti-racism. Like if a president can't say that now, people don't want to fucking lynch him. They'd be, like, outraged. I mean, can you imagine that?

You know, now people act like you're rather corny and they roll their eyes at you, or they tell you're, like, a total piece of shit if you, like, stump for Israel. Unless you're in, like, some, like, dumb hick town, or unless you're, like, in Skokie, Illinois where, like, 90% of people are Jewish or something. You live on a different planet than 30 years ago in this regard. Like, it's, like, a different country. you know and people act like they should like somehow like a staying power it's ridiculous people also think that the um that this was forced upon us and yeah in a way you do have a social

engineering regime but you also have to have people who are willing to go along with it and also willing people who are willing to collude you know i tell people this all the time i'm like if you're If you want to complain about this Jew did this in history and it led to this and it led to this and everything, they didn't do it alone. That's all point of parables about people like Nero and Julian the apostate. You know, these guys, these guys were Roman patricians. You know, they thought that they were gods, basically. You know, the fact that, I mean, even like Donald Trump's like that. you know like I call him rabbi

Trump they have a piece of shit but Trump doesn't fucking care about Jews Trump care about Donald Trump Like if every You think of Israel seats to exist tomorrow Trump would care You wouldn't care You'd be like these guys can no longer pay me

You know when you find somebody else to pay him And somebody else would You know I mean in some ways think that's worse than Like being a partisan feeling people even in a warped way that's like against a god like zionis are but that's the whole point you know and it's um but also i mean like i said it if you don't part of the reason why i'm writing this manuscript i mean it's for a lot of reasons because you know like i mentioned you the other day because i don't have children which i'm totally fine with and i can't sing and dance you know i'd kind of like to leave something behind in a small way so that's like this book i'm writing and I'm trying to explain the 20th century in one volume that's like not too cumbersome

as actually someone readable you've got to look at the Jewish diaspora like as a people like as a true nation in diaspora you got to look at them as like a combatant actor in war too as everybody did in the era frankly and America and the Soviet Union allied with that actor contrary Europe and the Empire Japan. Then as this divided globalism set in, the Soviet Union turned on America and this nation in diaspora, which now had

representation of international law like in the state of Israel. So you're talking about like the winning coalition of the victorious element in the the 20th century. Like, that's why. Okay. And that's something I try and explicate. I'm drawing things for the Sega conceptual intelligibility. I'm kind of drawing this in broad strokes, but that's the short answer. Yeah, I think that we, I think everything, so we live in a world, and I think I heard you say this recently.

It's like, you know, people want to be like, oh, I didn't know this. And I can't, I can't be educated in this, even though, like, literally there are, every book in the world is in the palm of their hand with the phone and they can find out anything they want. And, you know, I think that the, your people are not going to understand exactly what's happened until you start blaming. You don't just blame one group. you blame everyone who was in on this.

Well, they also understand historical processes. Like I said, one thing I do think of on Musians are on to, I don't accept their whole, I don't accept their praxis, you know, or anything, but something they are right about is you do need some kind of intuition to interpret business cycles. I mean, Shump, but I made that point, too. that's not anything mystical. I'm not making reference a drawing about like augury or something.

But you either have that or you don't. The whole is better than some of its parts. It's not as a matter of like reading the discrete codable variables. It's the same thing with politics and historical phenomenon or cultural things. I mean, Eliotty made that point in two. You either...

It's like, you know, he was talking about shamanism and prime symbols between very diverse cultures and what commonalities are. He's like, yeah, I can list variables that I can identify synonymous according to some some arbitrary criteria, you know, ideas of edification and suffering and things that are and feelings that are universal of the human condition, but they don't really tell us anything. So like a sacred experience and things that are symbolic of it and psychological terms. You know them when you see them or you don't. don't perceive these things okay and I suppose that's what a talent is for religion I

miss cultures ones that have stronger more boggative symbols of this nature or stronger in that regard ones that don't are weaker okay um but that's part of it like even people are intelligent I'm not like a super smart person like I don't think I'm stupid but I'm the last person's gonna pretend like I'm some kind of like genius or like I'm so much smarter than the norm because I'm not I can perceive things in my field of concentration that other people can't. Okay. There's guys who trade stocks and there's guys who trade forrecks.

They can do that with financial quantities and things like that and financial instruments. I can't do that with that kind of stuff. I can with macroeconomics and politics. And if you can't, you're tripping over your dick. Because you're just looking at variables and treating it like some sort of a formal equation or something, you know. And if that was the case, the guys like Metternich or Henry Kissinger or James Baker wouldn't exist.

If you were a king or like a president or like a warlord, you just like hire a guy from MIT and be like, go get code, code what's going to happen? You know, what's the Soviet Union going to do, like code these variables? Now I'll know for certain. Nobody can do that because that's not what it is. But somehow guys like Metternich and Kissinger and Baker like knew what was going to happen as long as a psychic you know i'm not saying like i'm

anywhere near guys like that obviously but on the spectrum or scale spectrum i shouldn't said that i don't people are going to call me a retard but on the scale of uh the way my mind is wired i that's where my skill set is okay well one of the points made here and i'm just doing a bunch of devil's advocate at this point um is that the the monetary system allows them to go, you know, do a lot of the things that they can do. That's part. Do you see the dollar going away? Yeah, it's going to be, it's not going to just disappear.

And there's not going to be some punctuated collapse like 1929, but that, you know, wipes out the dollars in a reserve currency in some punctuated way. Like the dollar is going to be kind of devalued to the point where it's just, in a de facto way, even if there's still going to be incentive to maintain it. is the reserve currencies you can still encourage america to do business with you in the way that america wants to you know and like a lot of countries i mean china is the most prominent but you know they artificially peg their currency against the dollar you know um so that's going to endure for a while but gradually even countries that insist that like the dollar is still the reserve currency they're

going to deal like what bricks does i'm not one of these guys just like bricks is the future because i mean that that's the kremlin being stupid but um and coping is like the youngsters say. But their model of like maintaining like a floating basket of currencies as, you know, to flesh out their reserves. That's going to become the norm. You know, yeah.

Well, what, you know, I think what I hear a lot of people say is it's like, oh, the, you know, the government's doing Bitcoin reserves. El Salvador has Bitcoin reserves. We still have gold reserves. But what these people don't? Like a dollar, like a Bitcoin is not a currency. You know what Bitcoin is? There's nothing wrong with crypto, but it's not a currency.

It's a non-traditional bond and it's a way of banking without being availed to the enforcement mechanism and control and possible seizure of federal authorities. Like you don't have a currency when the only store of value when your currency is pegged to the dollar. Right. Yeah, I made that point about that. I made that point about gold. It's like anything that you're trying to identify as a potential M1 currency so that you can stop fractional reserve banking. That's not what stops fractional reserve banking.

What stops fractionally reserved banking is people in charge who don't want to fractionally reserve the reserve the currency. Banking also isn't some insidious thing in itself. Like that's antiquated thinking. You know, like, what's the alternative? We should have, like, an Islamic banking system where you're basically, like, when you take out a loan from a bank, you're basically selling them stock and, you know, you're selling them like perennial stock, like beyond the scope of their investment. I mean, like lending it, lending at interest in a way that's not usurious. That's what fuels business and innovation.

That's not like evil somehow. But they're the same people, too, like, the people who claim, like, banking is evil. With the same people claim, like, gold is somehow, like, immune to interest rate manipulation. Gold is literally a shiny rock. Like, shiny rocks aren't real and, like, bare paper is not fake. Like, how's, like, a shiny rock real? You know, like, I think gold is cool. I like to see stuff made out of it.

It's nice to give you your girlfriend or something. I'm not anti-gold, but it's a shiny rock. I mean, that's what it is. All right, I'm going to get us out of here. Let me just read a couple super chats here. Ex-Comberon Rumble says, and I don't believe this for one second. I mean, I believe the second part. I don't believe the first part.

It says, I've never met a Jew, but I did shake George Bush's hand when I was 10 in the year 2000, so close enough. That's awesome. Um, so sully the amalgate. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. The sally the amalekite subscribe for five. Thank you. Carl Y. N.

says, Pete, did you ever see any gigs at the brass mug in Tampa? I saw some great bands back then. Yeah, that was like the friggin, there was a lot of punk stuff there and hardcore stuff. And like at that time when I was in Tampa, I just wasn't into it. I bent to the brass mug. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that was, that was.

that was kind of blowing up when I was there too, but yeah, I was more into like the, there was like a big goth glam scene there and everything and that was like most of my friends that I was hanging out with were like into goth clam and everything. Yeah, Sally the Malachi

says, Pete, did reading the Last Crusade have anything to do with you getting back to your Catholic roots? Understand you likely were on your way, but wow, Carol's work really pulls me that way too. for a for a bunch of years like I was just getting put in like Catholic hardcore Catholics were getting put into like my friends were like everyone that I was coming into contact with was a hardcore Catholic and everything and then I guess what's cinched it was when I moved to this little town in East Alabama that has you know more like a hundred times more chickens than people and there's this little Catholic parish in this town.

And I'm just like, let me go visit that and everything. And that's what that's basically what pulled me back in and got me for, to my first confession in decades, which was a load of fun. And then, all right. And our buddy Krieg says, always great to see Pete and Thomas on a Sunday night's stream after work. Krieg's, creak coming in from Austria. That's awesome.

But, all right, man. I'm going to let you go. I appreciate you joining me for this stream and I appreciate everybody. I was reading the comments, you know, and I just wasn't responding to him because I thought this was a conversation that needed to be had at this time. So I want to thank Thomas for joining me once again. And yeah, man. Oh, and by the way, everyone, in about an hour and 15 minutes, the next episode, what Thomas

comes out, it's part four of the radical traditionalist school, where. Thomas talks about Marcia L. Aaliyadi and Julius Evila. So tune in. Thank you, Thomas. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you, Maine.