The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1255: The JQ in Historical Context - Part 2 - w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

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I mean, I cite her a lot as one of my sources. I mean, she was an important historian and she was an acolyta Heidegger. and she wrote specifically about the historical experience of Jewish and European hostility, and that's important because it's not something people understand. And unfortunately, I mean, I honestly don't understand where people get their ideas from. I guess maybe they think internet memes constitute some sort of education on things or... Oh, you don't even have to guess that. I've had people tell me, like when I was a libertarian and I would talk about, you know, narco-capitalism,

I would have people tell me everything I know, I'm in a narco-capitalist and everything I know about a narco-capitalist I learned from memes. Yeah. And I mean, just like the terminology that will invoke, it's this weird polemical stuff that doesn't really have a context. And, you know, I mean, which is like whatever. I don't, I prefer people like that, didn't have the capability. to poison our conversations but you know it's something uh it's something that's ill understood and uh it is not reducible the subject matter i mean it's not reducible to polemic or things like that and you can't i regard regardless of uh what's pathological

or dysfunctional about you know telemetic judaism you can't project current political conditions into the distant past as if that this is just some sort of structural schema that's always existed and the reason why things became so anybody became so violent in the 20th century is because there was a there was issues of first impression emergent from a structure that was no you know one of our The French big points is that, first of all, the Third Reich was not at all in nationalist government. In some ways, it was the opposite. They looked at their mandate and their mission and their ideological imperative as civilizational.

You know, their veldt politic was a superpower politic. Hitler was always talking about how Germany is the axial pivoted Europe in Jewish strategic terms. Europe is the heir to classical civilization. And that's where we got to understand ourselves. Nationalism is this Westphalian contrivance that was a mile wide and a centimeter deep. You know, and I think I made the point before, the national socialist, they'd contemned for the narrowness of nationalism. And their early enemies, I'm talking, like when Drexler was heading the party, before Hitler, even, you know, came on the scene with the DAP.

These like regional, these regional nationalists were the guys they'd fight with a lot of the time because these people were stunted in their perspective. And that's not what national socialism or any of the dominated ideological strains. They were actually having an impact in a world affairs. Like, like, nobody thought that way anymore who was actually engaged. You know, and the way to understand Jewish power is that it was kind of the legacy of the balance of power system in Europe. You know, the slow development of nation states under kind of the tutelage and domain of absolute monarchs. You know, one of the ways they kind of were able to project power across national frontiers,

especially in the terms of fluid capital, such that it existed then, was through Jewish financial concerns. And this also was kind of unofficial means diplomacy, such that Jews were kind of the de facto integrated banking structure of, you know, Westphalian Europe. You know, and to be clear, that didn't convey any direct political power. As a matter of law, Jews had no political power. You know, so when people act like in Cromwell's era or something, Jews were these bad guys who were sabotaging political events or engaged in socially revolutionary activity that's assidine.

Like whatever hostility has existed sociologically, it didn't translate to that kind of paradigm because that wasn't possible. It's just ignorant to suggest otherwise. you know and uh after the french revolution the degree to which everything abruptly changed across the continent that can't be over-emphasized you know among other things aside the sociological disruptions and the kind of ontological shock of it political power started to become global you know in an innocent way and the nation states that still existed, their concerns became more and more scaled. And an exponentially larger amount of capital and credit needed to be placed at a government or a monarch's disposal. And this caused a consolidation.

These kinds of smaller concern, financial concerns were wiped out. Jews were down really mobile during that period and that radicalized a lot of them. The combined assets of the wealthiest strata of Western and Central European Jewry became more and more consolidated. And then that became a political concern just because of the power that wielded.

And suddenly the fortunes of that sort of financial structure was no longer abstract from politics and political events. You know, and there were certain showpoints whereby access to that kind of fluid capital depended upon, you know, political imperatives. and so you had ambitious men within these remaining Jewish financial concerns who became who became political actors

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Search Trump-Ireland gift vouchers. Trump. On Dunebiog, Kush Farrague. And to be clear, this is a fairly formalized structure. Long before, you know, a lot of court historians have this idea, and even people who have someone of a revisionist perspective, they view the kind of weird interdependence between European monarchs and aristocrats in jewelry as suddenly after, you know, emancipation and the

granting a political rights to people across creedal divides. This was suddenly when Jews started appearing at European court. That's totally inaccurate. Pretty much every noble house, every monarch, every royal court, they had some representative of Jewish financial concerns, literally posted at court to handle this kind of business. you know, and these guys, it was almost always a single individual. It was almost always a single man who wasn't tethered intrigues by virtual like the woman he was married to.

He almost always had contacts, familial contacts across national frontiers. And ideally, he'd have some sort of end with. whoever the primary rile that court he served, you know, was so engaged. And that was kind of the start of Jewish political power as we think of it. You know, despite what people think, I mean, yeah, in the modern era, like post-Westphalian peace, money took on an outside significance in political life. But this idea that having money axiatically makes you political powerful

politically powerful is a non sequitur. It doesn't. I mean, even today. There are two different things. There's an interdependence there that's natural and financial power

and political power. There's incestuous aspects to the human component of who serves these concerns but one doesn't somehow translate to the other automatically you know so it's not

the thing of Jews as rich guys like that's not that doesn't tell us anything all kinds of people have money you know in terms of control of wealth at scale the Japanese and the Saudis

control an astronaut amount of money. The world's not run by Japan and Saudi Arabia. Okay. And that's not an accident. The plus two production of commodities at scale it had this kind of homogenizing effect on European economies, at least in the west of Europe. And that changes things too because if basically every nation state,

it's national economy accounting for comparative advantage such that it can be said to exist in macroeconomics is engaged in basically the same kind of business financial concerns and financial houses that service them they basically start gambling on the same

imperatives and futures and outcomes you know and that's got the effect of not just driving up the cost of doing business but you know it it allows for a certain homogenization of how of how capital functions at continental scale you know and to be clear too this is I think I made this point before probably somewhat polemically but going back to the middle ages through the late modern period this is the big reason why kings fell out with jews it wasn't because jews don't like white people and their commies it was i'm in a hawk to these people

and the vig i'm paying them is positively usurious and i think i'll not pay them and i'll banish them from my kingdom you know that's what it came down to And that is the effect of you've basically got to handle your banking needs by proxy through some other friendly government. Or you've got to stake out some sort of path of autarchy and accrue massive, at that time, would have been gold and silver reserves and try to go it alone. This had a profoundly negative effect on your ability to. to do business if you did that. Okay, but that's, that was the main catalyst for Jews being banished from the court.

It wasn't people deciding that Jews are bad because I'm based, so I don't want them here anymore. There was absolutely present revolts and pogroms against Jews that were born of hostility and Jewish financial and labor concerns abusing those people. people that was a hundred percent happened but at the level of royals and edicts formally banishing Jews from these territories it was what I just said it was it

wasn't this fantasy of what people seem to think and you can't corral that into some sort of common paradigm with the current situation or as things have been since, you know, the close of the 19th century or whatever. The, this started coming somewhat to an end, at least in, you know, by the time Germany was united, the whole schema of how national military endeavors were funded, it changed. but in a lot of Europe this endured really until the great war the uh the the austro prussian war of 1866 one of the big banking concern one of the big prussian jewish banking concerns was a bleakroter and a bleakroter himself gerson von bleakroter

he and bismarck had this fairly tight business relationship contentious as it may have been otherwise and uh one of the things uh that sort of solidified their partnership you know bismarck was not he was not some the the rites consular was not some sort of absolute monarch or something he had to appeal to Parliament if he wanted to fund any kind of military activity and when the parliament

cut the purse strings Bismarck he made his case to some of Prussia's traditional allies and when they weren't biting he went to bleak rotor and uh essentially found himself

in a hawk to you know the uh the Jewish Berliner banking structure. That's the last time that happened at scale. And this is one thing that's interesting. Let me read the Nuremberg laws and if you read kind of the,

what if you read what Gerbil was writing in his diaries about what the cadres were saying, this was a very political act. It was, we're gonna get Jews out of the civil service. We're going to get them out of the professions. You know, we're basically going to strip them of political rights. And if they try to mobilize, you know, for example, some KPD cadre and like sick them on our people in Munich or whatever, we're going to throw them in a concentration camp. There's no talk of Jews are not allowed to conduct financial business.

Because at the level we're talking about that wasn't really. an issue you know it's not like it's not like in Berlin in 1934 if I needed a small business loan it's like open my restaurant or to you know buy like building tools my construction firm it's not like I was like appealing to some Jewish guy and I had to basically cowtowed or whatever he wanted to get you know like um some sort of line of equity and i think people misunderstand that you know they're absolutely jews actually did absolutely did wield financial power particularly the uk and the u s a but not in the way we're talking about in you know westphalia in europe it sociologically it played

out totally differently you know and it was a political problem um in the german rike it wasn't it wasn't an economics problem or a banking problem you know um i'd even argue too i mean on the case i'm the first to stipulate you know a lot of america's involvement in world war one they quite literally was wall street um having the wilts administration by the balls and demanding interventions they didn't eat a billion dollar loss based on this under secured line of credit was being afforded to the British crown. But I mean, that was JP Morgan was absolutely a war profiteering firm, but this wasn't Jews manipulating an outcome from Wall Street. J.P. Morgan didn't care how it shook out. They wanted their money.

You know, it so happened that they bet on the wrong horse. You know, so that's important, too. It was, and again, that's an odd case in the late modern era. I mean, all of the other than things about the First World War restrained, but that's important too. I'm sure there rebuttal is going to be calling from somebody in the comments insisting that, insisting that Wilson was owned by Jews because J.P. Morgan wanted its money. But, you know, and this is, you know, traditionally, too, there's was sometimes formally sometimes just de facto these European peace treaties that established national boundaries and rights therein and these territorial swaps and everything

else that characterized Europe for centuries there's pretty much always some sort of Jewish representation on deck when these things were fleshed out and that by the end of the 19th century that it basically come to an end you know and one of the rent makes the point two i mean aside from the political structure and the characteristics that derive from that structure that was emergent as uh europe truly entered late modernity you know as wars became total culminating in world war one the metrics became victory or dead for waging war. You're not going to have some financial representatives on deck running unofficial diplomacy with your enemy as to how we're both going to kind of make sure our economic

concerns aren't devastated by conflict when you're trying to annihilate your enemy in absolute capacities. You know, you're trying to physically annihilate him and his country, even occupy it. And then essentially either rape what remains figuratively and literally or reconstituted as, you know, a kind of destination market for your manufacturers and financial instruments. Like you're not, you're not going to have some Jewish banking representative on deck from the enemy country to like negotiate with your people. I mean, that's that's absurd, obviously. you know and that's important too

nascent globalism you know the limited globalism that was emergent by World War I basically precluded that kind of stuff you know so it's it's ridiculous

to talk about Jewish financial power in the 20th and the 20th century is driving from banking that's not what it derives from you know um interestingly too i mean back when during the the merkle consular ship you know when famously when um when these wall street types um including Goldman sacks they were trying to they were basically trying to break uh the industrial national economics of the boonest republic and they approached these German banking concerns, which were largely goish.

And I'm talking like in the 2000s. And when they tried to get, this was obviously pre-2008 crash, Goldman Sachs was trying to get the Germans to sign on with funding these financial instruments. They basically put their, you know, integrate retirement funds and welfare or outlays with like 401k type structures. And like the whole like German bank community like laughs in their face. Like we don't invest in derivatives.

The fuck's wrong with you. You know, I mean like it's, I mean, that speaks for itself. You know, that this is a, Germany is literally an occupied country. It's being subjected to ethnic cleansing by social engineering. But the indigenous financial structure,

They laugh at Wall Street when they try and get them in on these like Shylock, you know, con shell games at scale, you know, with respect to financial derivatives. I mean, frankly, I would have been surprised with it in the other way. I mean, now the Europeans are literally mentally insane people now. I mean, like you can't, they're patently irrational. But, you know, I, when there was. when when some kind of basic reason still prevailed even a misnoguing occupation you know i mean that that speaks to itself that you know um banking concerns are particularly uh on the side of financial

capital you know not commercial banking obviously it was very very discreet from whatever the political situation was and the political culture was and then endorsed to this day because um in some basic sense, you know. So there was this, there was this odd contradiction where on the one hand, this Jewish diaspora, which existed in terms of basic hostility with indigenous European majorities. The thing that built their power base was their,

peculiar insinuation into financial affairs and life at court. But what ultimately created this terrible and catastrophic enmity between the two populations was an almost exclusively political matter that didn't really have anything to do with high finance. You know, and this isn't a trivial point or something that should only give interest to academics. It's actually important. But moving on. You find my place here. You know, and this is one of the reasons why

in the era, the era being in the 1930s and 40s and then beyond the Cold War, and even today this pops up in historical discussions, people attack revisionists or people they perceive as being sympathetic to fascism of history or whatever, saying like, well,

how can, How can you, quote, blame Jews for revolutionary communism if they're these arch-capitalist manipulators? I mean, that's a false dichotomy anyway, but also it's not one or the other. And again, by the 20th century, you know, other than at great scale, we're talking about massive fortunes. you know and these consolidated financial concerns jews really weren't insinuated into finance erie sleskin makes the point you know he's the guy wrote the jewish century he's an interesting scholar you know obviously he's uh you know he's uh he's descended from pale settlement people you know so it can't be said that he's just some

constitutional anti-semit or something you know He's got an anthropological in the traditional sense, you know, drawing upon the same kind of methodology as people like Dumazzo. You know, he talks about the Jewish conceptual horizon, how they view themselves, you know, as a people, and how they view the world outside themselves and the prime symbols that constitute that worldview. You know, he's the guy who coined the phrase Mercurians to describe the Ashkenazum and Apollonians to describe these European populations that, you know, are descended from a warrior yeomanry and identify with those kinds of values and things. You know, he very much borrows him to try functional hypothesis. But, you know, the Mercurian view or cultural perspective or. you know, orientation,

existential orientation. I'm going to look at it that way. It's not reducible to a belief in money in the power and efficacy of money or something. You know, it's got an emphasis on abstraction as the way of doing business in lieu of agricultural activities. You know, a kind of profiteering and negotiation sometimes which is perfidious and hostile liberately in lieu of warfare you know an idea of the

historical process as being kind of related to concrete particulars and intrigues therein rather than you know a kind of narrative whole that is uh exists uh under you know the Christian God obviously you know and Schesley makes the point to or Slitsky makes the point two at the turn of the 20th century the total population of European Jewry was about 8.7 million and over 5 million of these people lived in the Russian Empire where they were about 4 or 5% of the population and most of the Russian Jews lived in the pale settlement and residency laws restricted them there um there are some slim minority who were

farmers or factory workers like scattered about but you know his point was that breaking down these demographic realities you're not you're not talking about some like cosmopolitan group of of people you're talking about a really kind of almost backwards living people you know in majoritarian terms you know so the idea that these this kind of cultural Mill Lou was giving rise this kind of worldly conspiratorily sophisticated perspective is kind of nonsense you're talking about very basic hostility okay um from people who mostly were kind of incestuously insular, you know, and like within that

kind of strange existence, developing and incurringing like an increasingly violent hostility to the world without, you know, and that reality seems totally at odds with, the kind of caricature that exists in people's minds of jewelry. You know, and Slensky makes the point, too, that there's a major component of them, kind of whole Mercurian conceptual horizon, it's contingent on the outside world retaining this kind of strangeness.

You know, and the cliches that, you know, the Askin as well, it's this paranoiac tendency and not just dislike for outsiders, but this idea that the outside world's dangerous. You know, that's very much the source of, you know, internal cultural life here. You know, this is the opposite of a sophisticated worldly perspective. You know, it's, it's, um, it's incredibly it's a cultivated ignorance you know like it really it really is you know and that breathes on pathologies too so what are the sort of the cultural poll stars and and psychological metrics in terms of you know historical memory you know oh the cossacks are

programming us you know there's there's a world war two is a world conspiracy against Jews. You know, like this kind of stuff would be laughable were it not you know enshrined into this kind of reigning ideology of

you know that that oppresses people at scale. You know, if you remove that aspect of it and the historical significance of it and the danger of it, you'd pity and laugh at people who think that way.

You know. And to be clear, there's kind of a naturally built-in almost commissarial structure. Very few people talk about this. I think it's because a lot of Americans don't really have a taste for serious theology and anthropological characteristics that are related they're in. You know, the degree to which Jewish society became this sort of fractious remnant of a once complete cultural paradigm after 70 AD really can't be overstated.

Like this idea of the synagogue being the center of cultural life and these rabbinic scholars who aren't priests. And I'm not sure people really understand that. without a temple there's no priesthood about a sacrificing priesthood there is no Judaism as is understood in biblical terms but a rabbi is basically

he's kind of one part in minister but he's more almost kind of a scholar of the law you know like a juristic professorial type you know having men like that be kind of the cultural backbone and in lieu of a temple or a church having a synagogue which is basically

a which is basically an academic and political institution be the center of humanitarian life that's very strange you know and that's also why that's also why the kind of two poll stars of status among the Ashkenazam were being a learned man in judaism and again not not a priest and not a and not a kind of not a you know um like a learned man in islam you know what people are going to colloquially call it mullah which is improper for a lot of reasons but that's something different too you're going to think of you know these guys in places like iran you know and you find it across sectarian divide like shi or sunni they're kind of aspire to be like learned men in islam that's kind of a different

thing that's drawn almost upon you know like a tradition of mystics that's common to a lot of these a lot of these Islamic cultures like I'm not I'm not saying that's a lofty thing to aspire to either but it's a different thing you know

there's nothing mystical about a rabbi there's nothing you know it's like I said it's fundamentally commissarial you know and so that role you know, being kind of coveted or like being able to accrue money. You know, that's like, how are people feel about that and whether that's, you know, moral or not?

It's a strange thing to assign that kind of profound cultural value. Like most developed cultures kind of view it in terms of the opposite. You know, like, oh, he's a pious man. He foregoes an interest in, you know, material things. for their own sake you know so this is all very strange and again the way to understand it is that it these tendencies derive from this self-imposed isolation and kind of ignorance of the outside world and this sort of like incestuous insularity it doesn't derive from a kind of like cynical worldiness that comes from you know running things and you know knowing about the world

and being urbane that's preposterous it's it's it's literally the opposite You know, and this is a and this is one of the things too where once that kind of interdependence that existed between European elites and Jewish elites based again on kind of the how politics was done at court and things. Like once that all went away, you're talking about populations that are situated really as vicious enemies. and not only was there no longer any sort of interdependence that insinuated a kind of common objectivity about one another if not respect you know once that went away something horrible was going to happen and that's exactly what did happen you know um and to be clear too i i don't know if i got on this before but like slitsky makes the point you know most uh

most jews didn't even speak the the languages of the people they lived among you know like Ukrainian Jews spoke Yiddish they didn't speak Ukrainian or Russian you know if you went to a

if you went to a Jewish village in Latvia even when that was situated you know amidst you know like a larger constellation of towns or something these people didn't speak Latvian they didn't eat the same foods they didn't go to the same places they looked at each other as dirty you know and similarly like unless you were some sort of linguistic scholar or something or just by accident of being

immersed and some sort of truly sort of cosmopolitan and and multi-racial city like Hasper in Vienna you know non-jews didn't speak Yiddish like why would they you know so there was it is possible in late modernity, perhaps even especially in late modernity, to literally live next door to a people and remain totally insular from them. And I think a lot of people, I mean, that's one of the reasons why the whole narrative of globalism at scale fails. I mean, that's starting to fade now. People don't really, you're finding those kinds of appeals to, you know, moral platitudes and social propaganda that's becoming less and less common. But this idea that, oh, in the modern

under modern conditions you know you live around over kinds of people it's like yeah and people got their face in the screen and like they hate each other you know like it's not you're not going out to like work on a farm with like a you know all these great people who work

there with you or something or you know and increasingly you're not even like you're not even passing randos on the street anymore if you don't want to you know I mean I kind of have to because I don't have a car you know like but in a the uh the uh that a

to which even prior to information age innovations you could entire communities could avoid each other while being situated two miles apart i mean that was reality you know it's um the uh the uh but that's um you know and this obviously this is a bit tangential but it's related you know uh And particularly on point, it needs to be this kind of ongoing discussion about the reason for this profound and catastrophic enmity of the regime to Russia. I mean, the degree to which the degree of the Afghanistan has to hate the Russians can't be overstated. You know, and even when you read this kind of, yeah, Vad, Vashem type propaganda, like, even within their own narrative, they say stuff like you know Germany was a

civilized and culture land and you know Jewish Berliners you know were patriotic Germans you know if we were going to suffer a horrible program anywhere we'd have thought it would be Russia I mean Russia is

the enemy to the Ashkenazim you know and I like you know that peace Stalin's willing executioners. It was originally a paper that Kevin McDonald drafted. And then he expanded into this not quite book-length essay, but that most of that piece, it's a review and a breakdown of Sliskin's book. Because this is a huge aspect of what Sletskeen talks about. You know, and he

fully acknowledges a huge amount of Jews joined the Cheka. And they set about. And they set about, to massacre their Slavic neighbors who they viewed as oppressing them you know they hated these people um and Stalin exploited that you know and I don't know how anybody can look at how the Soviet revolution developed you literally had the Jewish population locking and loading slaughtering these people that they hated massacring their priests, destroying their churches, trying to wipe them out as a culture. And then when these criminal personalities like Stalin,

had kind of the cycle, like killing it run its course, and after the Second World War and the emergency, raw-bited past, like, what does Stalin do? You began hanging and purging all of them because they were too dangerous to allow to survive. in this kind of socialistic empire that derived its what, you know, derived its internal cohesion and its legitimacy from this claim that, you know, the Russians

are the first among the nationalities. Like, how anybody can look at that and be like, I don't even Putin likes the Jews, and Israel and Russia are allies. I mean, like, you're, you don't live in reality if you think that way. Or, I mean, you're so fucking stupid.

you probably are at risk affreading to breathe, you know, and then dying. You know, to say nothing to the fact that the Soviet Union was literally at war for Israel with Israel for decades. The Russians went to war against Israel again in 2011, and then a Zionist government was installed in Ukraine and receded to assault the Russian Federation. like I this isn't esoteric or crazy stuff that requires a lifetime of study and attention of subtle nuance to do understand like if you look at a political map and if you turn on a legacy media programming for five minutes this is what jumps out at you like even if you're not an intelligent person you know that's why I'm I refuse to engage with people who say such things anymore because some things are too stupid to acknowledge. But that's, you know, that's the long and short of it. I mean, don't get me wrong. I've got my own theories on geopolitical affairs.

And obviously, I'm no environmentalist type of person, but the reality is that, this voracious appetite for consumption and the conversion of, you know, natural races and commodities into usable value-added things. This has, you know, there's a limited carrying capacity here. And one of the reasons America is the loci of world power is because it, It retains, you know, what remains the bounty of nature is situated here. And it's being rapidly depleted. The remainder, the other remainder of the world's natural resources are in Central Asia.

You know, oil, natural gas, arable land, you know, all these things. Central Asia, the Russian heartland, it doesn't quite have what we do here, but it's compared to the rest of the planet. It's a tremendous wealth of resources. And so there is that incentive, too, to break up the Russian Federation and be able to access and exploit those things. You know, I mean, this goes way back. that's always a consideration, but that is far from the primary catalyst for the, you know, adopting an irrational war footing towards the Russian Federation has happened in 1999. And plus, too, if that was the only, if that, if that, if that was the only objective,

you won't, that's not the, you don't go about it by waging some irrational crusade against the Russian Federation. and transforming Ukraine into what kind of suicide torpedo. That's not how you do it. You know, so it doesn't defeat or rebut the proposition to point out, you know, well, you know, these, some of these energy concerns are trying to break Russian state control as far back as like, you know, 99, 2000.

Yeah, that did happen, that is happening, but like it's not one of the other, you know. That's why, too, when the Bush-Baker plan, the Bush-Baker Gorbachev model for the post-Sovian era, you know, like I said before, that's really interesting, because in part, that plan called for the Soviet Union to remain until full disarmament had been realized. and then for it to transition to something like of the Commonwealth Independent States this kind of devolved federalism but

with the supremacy of Moscow as the political core remaining but Rumsfeld, Cheney, a bunch of the PNAC guys their big

notion was to break the Soviet Union essentially into three pieces you know like the Siberian East or like so what was Soviet Asia then there was like basically the greater Moscow um Leningrad kind of constellation of of of of territory and then like Ukraine and like Belarus and like Western Russia you know that was kind of how it was supposed to break down and some sort of some sort of cipher like Yeltsin would be kind of like the dictator of you know like American commissariat Moscow there the EU would be able to

essentially cannibalize Ukraine you know with you know America in the driver's seat obviously is the occupying element and then the the Soviet Far East would what had been like the Soviet Far East, that basically be like the territorial hedge against China. And that also be the origin point of deployment into Central Asia and stuff, you know, in the subcontinent and what have you. And that would also facilitate pressure being brought to bear on Iran and stuff. So that's really interesting to contemplate. Well, the people who think that Putin works for the Jews would have to believe that he basically is doing what Yeltsin was supposed to do as far as Pinnak was the end, which means that if he works for the Jews, he works for America.

Yeah. Because, I mean, if we're Zogged, that means that that means that Putin works for the United States. It's the same people. The United States government. These same people, like I said, like I don't, I, I haven't. him lately. Maybe he's become more sensible, I don't know. But I used to run into these guys who were like Info Wars fans and they drop out of Alex Jones' talking points. And they claim stuff like the Cold War was Ledger in Maine and I'm an idiot because there was never any

chance in nuclear war because it was all fake. And it's like, that's not how things work. I mean, it's stupid for all kinds of reasons, but it's like so American, Soviet Union, they were just maintaining these massive constellation of military forces. Then they were pretending to go to war in places like Vietnam and Angola and killing a bunch of people just as part of like the Magicians Act. Why would anybody do that? You know, but I mean, there's the same people who claim that, well, 9-11 was a controlled demolition.

It's like, okay, but you don't need to blow up the world trade center to get a war mandate. you know what you basically just need to stir up war fever you know this isn't uh this isn't this isn't 1940 where you got you know president for life roosevelt saying how do i how can i mobilize 20 million men you know and kill off uh they were from like a quarter million like a million American boys in some unpopular war and basically shut down all activity other than this

unrelated to this massive war effort. Yeah, then you do need a Pearl Harbor to make that happen. You don't need to blow up New York City to invent a catalyst to intervene in the Middle East. You know, I mean,

did Bush 41 order some sort of bomb to be planted in Chicago or L.A. to intervene in the Gulf War. I mean, apparently not, you know, like, because that's acidine. But the, you know, I said with the Russia thing, it's like, okay, I understand in some cases we're talking about historical or political phenomena, like trying to explain to people, especially people who don't really understand these topics in depth,

why there was this incredibly violent enmity between you know Jews and Germans okay that's a complicated topic and it's subtle the case of Russia and Israel they both talk

both Russians and Israelis and Jews write books about how they hate each other why they hate each other they go to war constantly and then people turn around and act like this is like they're like befuddled by the reality of this. Like, I don't, it's, it's very much above

board, you know, um, like essentially the entire final phase of the Cold War, especially after, you know, Southeast Asia and, um, and the subcontinent and,

you know, we're, we're stabilized. They settled into this kind of divided paradigm. And the Senate of Soviet split was, you know, kind of ossified into, uh, A new paradigm.

Basically the front line of the Cold War was Palestine. You know, Moscow literally passed a law making it a crime to be a Zionist. This goes back centuries. You know, it's... I don't understand it. How you can be like that fucking stupid.

But, you know, like I said, I just don't... I just don't engage with those people. because they're, where you might be contagious. Like I might become like unbelievably fucking stupid if I like catch whatever they have or something. Well, it's like the 9-11 thing. The how 9-11 happened and how the buildings fell, why three buildings fell is really like, that's for the low IQ people to talk about.

Why it happened and, you know, why it was carried, why that mission was carried out is. way more important. But people don't want to know the why because if you can figure out where the bomb was placed here and what happened here, you seem to be a whole lot smarter. You know, it's like that's one of the things about conspiracies is, and I'm not talking about conspiracy, I mean, there are conspiracies. There was a conspiracy to get the United States into World War I.

We know this. I mean, that's, that's inarguable. I'm talking about these conspiracies that are meant to divert you away from the things that you should be concentrating on. I mean, it's like, you have people who believe that, like, the reason Putin is a Jewish puppet is because he's crossing over border and killing white people. Yeah. Well, that's what, that's what Jews want, right? Jews want to kill white people. and even if he's not working with him, he's so fucking stupid that he fell for it.

Yeah, you can't. It's just like a total lack of understanding of how sociology functions at scale to. Like, I don't, I think people's idea that if you're talking about a country or a political constellation of hundreds of millions of people, it functions kind of like the office they work at, just bigger or something.

don't they don't understand that when you're talking about humanity at that scale there's nobody really at the helm you know you've got politically powerful people they're responding to essentially apical forces or acts of god if you're going to look it that way and identifying you know when where and how you know a directive intervention by political or military means, you know, can swing an outcome when we're the other. You know, I know, there's other things there, too. I mean, it's like what honor demands and, you know, impulses relating to the passions and things and, you know, paradigms of religious belief that, like, inform conduct.

But, you know, I don't, yeah, that's, well, people also don't even understand, like, what, what politics is. Like, it's not, or they think that the planet is, like, some sort of variant of whatever like weird corner of America they live in. You know, like one of the things like, you know, and I think too, they've got this idea that warfare only emerges as some sort of, as some sort of deliberate policy. And like you can, you can just make it happen or make it not happen like you can

by tending your garden or something. You know, like war arrives like the seasons. You can inspire to capitalizing conditions of enmity and push those conditions towards catastrophe, you know, like America has done in Ukraine. But it's the situation there, you're dealing with a totally dysfunctional culture. And there's an irrational animosity there, particularly coming from the Ukrainian side. but that they didn't like spontaneously emerge one day because you know idiots at the american department of state have some ability to like mind control people or something but um i maintain

and this isn't some sort of stupid flex understanding politics at scale it's like anything else i don't understand why people just decide they understand this it's like would you decide you understand nuclear physics you know like you know why do you think you have some say on this you don't know what the fuck you're talking about you know you have no ability to perceive these things but you're like oh this is what i think it's like why because you watch you watch tv like you know it's really really really weird yeah and you're not going to get it from podcasts either that's coming from a podcaster yeah we can help you down the road we can point you in the right direction but if you're not leaving here. If you're not leaving this and reading Yuri Slezkin or Hannah Arendt, well,

you don't know what was just discussed. And then you're going to have the people who are going to immediately say, well, you're invoking a rent and you're invoking Slezkin and there are both Jews. And of course, they're going to say that all this blame needs to be deflected away from Jews because, you know, they're trying to protect their own. Yeah, I just don't, I read, uh, I'm probably like a layman in terms of like space science and stuff, but I listen to a lot of podcasts like by that guy,

John Michael Gaudier, you know, he's the event horizon pod and stuff. And, uh, whether people agree with the takes of him and these other guys, these guys are all like PhDs and physics. Like I'm not saying credentials mean you know something,

but in that, whole kind of sphere. There's not just, like, random guys who are like, yeah, I manage at Walmart, but today I'm going to talk about, you know, black hole cosmology because I watch TV, so I'm an expert. Like, literally in, like, political sphere, that's what it is.

It's like, I'm some, like, random dickhead, like Dan Bill Zarian. And you might remember me from, like, how to pick up girls and, like, steroid guy stuff. But I don't like Israel now. You know, it's like, where do these motherfuckers get their fucking balls? You know, it's like you have no opinion on this. You know, like you know less than nothing.

You know, that's what's weird about it. But I realize there's an entire legacy media culture that it's kind of tailored to confer these delusions upon randos that they actually understand politics. But I still maintain it's a fucking weird phenomenon. I literally spend like 10 hours a day studying this stuff and I have for my entire life. And I feel like I'm just scratching the service of things. But then there's like a billion randos who are like barely literate, who have like some hardest fuck opinion on politics. Like it's retarded.

Some of them have audiences too. No, like, yeah, that's like I said, like if you look at these, these supposedly like right wing fags, it's just like random idiots. Like that's why he's that like Dan Bilzerian guy. He's literally like this like Jimbrough guy. One day he's like, I don't like Israel. like it's it's like a grift but it's just weird it's weird these people think they understand that it's weird they gravitate the total randos who they decide are authorities on you know like political theoretical affairs and stuff and it's just like weird they think that they're into they haven't have a stake in this anyway but it's it's like it's like it's like the randos have decided like trump is ruining their life it's like it's like it's like you don't understand these things this has no impact on your life Why why you convince Donald Trump is after you?

It's like whoever the president is, it's like you're not capable of understanding this shit. Does it go about your goofy life? You know, where you like work at Target or whatever? Like why have you decided you're like some Marvel Comics character and Donald Trump's a super villain who's trying to do things to you? You know, like that should have like no bearing on your world. You know, like it.

All right, man. Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah. It's just frustrating sometimes because, you know, you, you bury your heads, bed in, head in these books and you actually read them to people sometimes. You know how I like to do that and everything. And people still don't get it. It's still black and white. It's still this black and white, good versus evil kind of thing. And it's, there is no, I mean, if you bring up, if you bring up sociological issues.

within the framework of two people, of two distinct peoples who just are not going to be able to get along with each. I remember one time you and I talked about, I think, Jews in Spain. And it's like, how the hell did Jews go into a Catholic country and both of those groups not immediately start killing each other? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And why? Because there's a social. It's not because one doesn't like the way the other one looks. One doesn't like the way the other one smells.

It's because there is a fundamentally sociological issue there that is going to cause one of those groups to realize that the other is a grave threat to their survival in that milieu. Well, yeah, and it's, yeah, exactly. Well, no, and that's why it's why it gate keeps so hard increasingly. I'm sure part of it's because I'm like old and cantankerous, but I'm just not, I'm not here to like try and spoon feed knowledge to stupid people or like or disruptive or ignorant people and it's like I don't. Then it really gets me and like I said, I mean I try to overreact to this stuff and I'm very fortunate in all kinds of ways. It's not bitter. But they'll be motherfuckers.

They will literally plagiarize my shit and like say stuff I've said word for word. And then like say I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about. It's like really, man. It's like you got to, you build a content brand on plagiarizing me. You know, so it's like, you must be a real idiot then. Because, like, apparently I don't know anything, but your entire kink is, like, appropriating everything I say and write. But, you know. And then, like, Johnny Thunder has made the point that, like, people would, like, hate on him constantly and see he was, like, a junky piece of shit.

But then they, like, imitate everything he did. So, I mean, I guess it just it just like a thing. Yeah. And then you get a chance to have a conversation when people have been studying this for decades and like are actually like real academics and you have conversations with them and they're like, they're not calling you an idiot like some fucking anon on Twitter will. Well, it's also too. I mean, frankly, like I said, I don't, I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm better than anybody. I don't think I'm like some kind of genius. But it's like, well, I don't know, man, I have a conversation about this kind of shit with people like Henry Kissinger.

and you know I've never been told that I'm that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm an idiot and like I said it's like okay fine I'm an idiot then well you motherfuckers stop plagiarizing me now

you know like I whatever but yeah all right man tell people where they can find you yeah I mean the best spot remains

subsick it's real Thomas 7 7.7.S. Substack.com. You know, that's from there you can get to my social media and all that shit. And my website now is pretty

like everything should be working right. It's number seven HMAS777.com. Like go there first and foremost. Yes, sir. Well, one thing I took away from this, you said it at the end. Gatekeep, gatekeep.

In your personal. especially in your personal life. Yeah. If you're out there gatekeeping on Twitter, oh, that guy over there, he won't name the Jew. So that means that he wants the Jews to take over. Yeah.

Seek Canadian health care. Really? Yeah, yeah. This is why this is why you don't teach people to read exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Be good, man. Take care, brother.

Bye.