The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1263: Effective Organization and Mentoring w/ Paladin YYZ and Stormy Waters

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

84 MinutesPG-13Stormy Waters is a managing partner of a venture capital firm, and Paladin YYZ is a friend of the show.Paladin comes on the show to talk about the structure of Alcoholics Anonymous and how it can be used as a template to help in the organization of forming activist groups.Stormy's Twitter AccountPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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We've already jumped into a big conversation and should have been recording it. So let's run back on that. Okay, so Palette and you and Stormy were going back and forth. And basically we're talking about structure of organizations. And you're bringing an organization here, which you advocate for and which you think is a useful structure when we're looking to organize. So I'm just going to let you go and, you know, and Stormy can, you and Storm, you can go back and forth. I'll interject. Just go, guys.

Sure. So as an introduction to the audience, what I have noticed is that there are templates out there for organized groups. And one of the best ones I know of and can speak with some expertise on is the structure of AA. Now, whenever you're trying to build a cohesive group where there's no miscommunication and everybody, on board has the same shared principles and common goals. It's really important to have the culture built into that and to have the language built into that so that none of us ever feel like we're always having to juggle everybody else's interpretation of what we're about. So when I was in AA, I was introduced to a system that has been hammered out since the 30s and it's survived and

it's transnational. It's global. So I can go to a meeting in Singapore or Japan or Alabama and everybody there knows who I am. Everybody there knows what I'm about. And I know exactly who they are and what they're about. And we don't have complicated conversations dissecting the rules or we don't have any miscommunication as to who we are, what we're all doing here and what our game plan is. It's just automatically built in and it takes a culture over time to build that and I know the OGC is striving for that I know for a fact that that's what they want and so I'm I'm just discussing a perfect model for a decentralized organization it is it's the best I've ever heard of so that's why I agree with that I've never actually thought about that as a type of organization because of course we're all very one

We're all, we're in a political state of mind because we are dealing with political problems. And therefore, the organizations we would look to mimic our political ones in nature, but that may not be the necessary way to go. Yeah, what do you think about this? A very outside of the box thinking, yeah, if this is a startup and this was pitched to me, you would have my attention. Yeah, so I was talking to Pete earlier about how one of the things that's first and foremost, remember, there's a hierarchy to this logic. it flows beautifully and everybody who I tell this to completely understands it. They don't need to understand Latin or Aramaic or anything. When I say, look, it deals with, it starts off with the character of the man.

Because without each one of us as individuals aligning ourselves with some type of higher power or a God in our lives, that we find that we're pretty much aimless and everybody's compass says something fucking different. And that just causes chaos. This is the main reason why I am combative against. against paganism for any of the listeners that are like in here for politics and stand listening to me because I say interesting stuff or so they find interesting but they hate the Christianity is kind of the focal point. This is the problem with paganism, right?

Yeah, and what's even bigger problem is to believe, whatever they want to believe, you know, no one's going to, Christianity is regimented and doctrinal. So if I say I am a Christian, two other men on this podcast know exactly what I mean. They know exactly what roughly my value set is. And it's the only one of the central organization can work. Go ahead, please. Sure. And you know what it's like to join a chat group of other so-called nationalists, only to find out that you spend hours discussing what you mean by it, and they have their own definition. And I try to hammer into people's head. You can't have societies without a God. like they just need to get over that because god forms the thing that aligns and keeps us all

in the same shape and then it becomes a big question about who's god i like look dude this is this has been figured out this is not a complicated thing and i don't want to join a nationalist group and spend all my time arguing about fucking thor or the earth or mother earth or you know iconic influence and stuff like that's actually kind of a good one we can get into that I couldn't have said it better. Yeah. So now it's just like, hey, what are we all doing here? And by the way, who the fuck are you?

And what is your relationship to God? And so A.A. starts off there with the individual man. And the individual man soon figures out, I don't know how to be this guy, this trooper, this soldier, because I'm kind of a mess in my own life. I suffer from a lot of delusions. I suffer from a lot of confusion. and I need the group to help me hammer myself into shape so that I am a functioning member of a fucking awesome group. And it starts with the individual.

So they just have a system where the individual comes to grips with himself. And when he's done with that process, he now knows we can use the OGC as an example. So what does it mean to be a guy in the OGC? Well, you know, we have a banner. We have a mission statement, you know, but when we meet privately, we all need to understand that we have basic ideas that are all rock solid and require no discussion amongst ourselves. The complicated discussions are for the recruits, the people outside the group. That's when we use a different set of tools to communicate to the outside world what we're like on the inside. But once we're inside the group, it should be a smooth, cohesive process that produces brotherhood and fraternity because no one's fucking arguing about, you know, what we're here for.

Talk about where the focus is on, let's say you have a new member and then a whole bunch of senior members. How would that be different from how you would think an organization with seniority, with hierarchy? How would that play out? Beautiful. because one is obviously built around alcoholism, but believe it or not, this is a great one, AA has nothing to do with alcohol. Okay, I'm going to say that again. A.A. has nothing to do with alcohol. So if you're the one thinking, well, we can't use A.A. because let's say the individual is going, well, I'm not an alcoholic. So what it does is A.A. deals with insanity. It deals with delusion.

and it deals with the idea that you have brought into a lot of bad truths that don't work in your life. And that could be anything from, hey, I can't save money, or I have trouble finding a job, or my relationships never seem to work out. See, we're not talking about alcohol anymore. We're talking about fraternity issues where men and groups can assist each other and say, hey, this is how you do it. But when you talk to these guys for very long, you realize they don't even understand how to save money. They think they have money problems, but no one taught them basic shit.

No one taught them how to get along with an employer. No one taught them to look at themselves and go, these are all the things I do that keep fucking up my game plans for my own personal life. And so what we need are strong guys. Strong guys don't just get produced naturally. Being a member does not make you a strong guy. Being a member means you not have access to strong men who can make you a strong guy. And everybody fucking needs help with that. Everybody needs help with that.

So we want strong guys because that builds real community is when everybody's gone through the initiation and the process. And, you know, they've looked at their lives and they've separated the wheat and the chaff like a balance sheet. you know, I've had to look at my life so many times and just create two columns, like an inventory. Like, hey, these are the character traits I have that haven't been fixed in years and I don't know how to fix them. You know, whether it's attention to detail, time management, saving money, you know, organizing my business or hiring people. These are all things. It's like, man, I need fucking help with these things. And a good sponsor will say, well, what are you doing to like keep you from?

achieving these goals. And it's actually quite hammered out. It's very simple. They have 12 simple steps where they start, of which about six are necessary. And that's six. That's six things I'm going to teach you, and that will help you rid yourself of all the internal contradictions that keep you from being just a good, a good man of good character. You know, and that's definable. Like, I can walk up to somebody and I can say, you are not that guy. I can tell by the way, you conduct yourself. I can tell by the things you complain about. I can tell by the way you talk about what you think are the problems and what are the solutions.

It's like none of us are on the same page because our characters as individuals are not, they're not coherent. So it becomes this free for all. And the purpose of a real group, a real community, is to hammer out the individual so that they are all on the same page. And that allows conversation and action to take place a lot more seamlessly. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items, all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast.

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Like, so let's say a new member comes in, right? Just became a member. Yeah. You welcome. All of this. Yeah, but who's the priority? You said something earlier that I want to pull back up because I want to pull on it. Yeah.

You mentioned earlier that it does, like you can have a room full of a hundred, like, very, very senior members and a new person. And it doesn't matter where this group is if you are a new person that walks into the Singapore, AA, or you're the one that walks into, you know, the Mobile Alabama AA. It doesn't matter because, again, the process is regimented, which again, I really like. But you said that the attention of the group is on the newest member. So the focus of the most senior members aren't amongst themselves, but actually in developing the newest member. And that is always going to be the case.

So that's where the strength is. That's where the strength is because it goes on a principle one of vigilance, which is, hey, we don't want people in this group that we haven't made welcome and introduced ourselves to. We want that guy to feel as much a part of this group as soon as possible. because we are extending real gifts that come from real groups, which is, hey, we got your back. You're one of us now. So there's that sense of fraternity. And we're not going to just ignore you. We're not going to watch you sit in the back and not have anybody introduce themselves to you.

We're not going to watch you sit by yourself while we're all eating dinner. These things are just antithetical to the way any decent community should function. You welcome the fucking new guy and you answer his questions and you help him out. And we give each other phone numbers, shit like that. Say, hey, that way when you leave here, you're still in contact. And we pick up the phone for each other all the time. And that way, that new member automatically feels welcome. He already has connections and resources.

You can't accomplish anything without a support structure. That's right. Yeah, you have to have that. And the new guy is the guy that needs. all the attention. Yeah, they're like, you know, the senior members, they already got shit figured out. They already have all the friends. You know, they already have people lining up to sign their book or to buy their book or to talk to him for three seconds. Oh, wow, are you stormy? Wow, holy shit, I've heard you on the podcast. You know, so people are already trying to find you,

but you're not trying to find the brand new guy. Whereas in AA, they do put a huge emphasis. That way, the guy who's at the book signing drops what he's doing and says, hey, I see that guy over there. Has anybody made this guy feel welcome? Has anybody, you know, introduce themselves? He looks like he's wandering around, you know? And so, yeah, that immediately, they just bring them into the fold. You get everybody into the fold as fast as possible. I just felt a fucking scene right there and not in a good way.

Well, that's how everybody, that's how everybody does. I'm sure you remember the Tennessee thing. You literally just called me the fuck out. Well, dude, that's how all. That's why we need communities because I don't care how awesome you are. you need to be told by the group, you know, certain things at all different times. Like I'm still, I'm still rude as fuck to people that are behind a counter because I suffer from a problem called arrogance and self-righteousness.

And I have expectations of the world that are just not fucking realistic. So my people will corner me sometimes with a black bag and a fucking long trip out into the country. Say, dude, if you keep being an asshole, you're going to start drinking. drinking again because you're not you're not you're not uprooting these character defects they're still alive and well you're like that drunk who just quit drinking and now he's just the meanest son of a bitch in the valley because he doesn't have his crutches anymore and we seek to find those people and help them immediately because we want their life to be good and I don't care how how you know you know I don't care how long you've had you know as a successful adult you

still need your boys to call you out on shit on a daily basis. Yeah, I think Pete, do you have any thoughts? I don't want to, my mind's going in a couple different directions. Well, the idea of the new guy getting in and immediately, you know, what's important is one for our, you know, if it's AA, you want the guy in there because obviously there's a problem you want to help him solve his problem yeah they're suffering we need you yeah yeah with with us there is there it it's sort of the same thing but you know you also have to be because of the way we have instructed you have to be wary of people who are trying to infiltrate and things like that so

paladin was explaining at the beginning how you know a is basically solved for that when it comes to people trying to infiltrate so maybe talk a little bit about that probably really yeah yeah like for example um uh like when i went to the first meeting if i didn't know pete canonis from the show if i didn't hear stormy's voice or if i didn't listen to news fist or you know any of the other content creators out there i wouldn't know who the fuck they are i'd be in a room full of strangers and people who are already confident and already in the club, they don't remember what it feels like to be like not knowing anybody. They know they're in the right place, but they don't know who to fucking talk to and everybody's all busy talking to each other. So there's that anxiety and stuff that if left

unattended, then guys like me show up. We bump around like a fucking pinpon ball, like a pinball off of all these bumpers. And I walk away feeling like, well, I was at a group. These are technically my brothers, but I don't fucking know any of them. And when I get in the long car ride back home, I'm full of regrets or things I should have said or, hey, I wish somebody would have just fucking, you know, came up and introduced me to some of the other people. And that's a massive hole in the structure. And all that has to be done is pointed out, because I know that anybody listening to what I just said is like, fuck yeah, you're exactly right. We really should do that. Now, in terms of being cautious about infiltrated people, well, then, you know, it's just a simple

mental, look, if I'm bumping into 10 guys there and 10 guys have said, oh, so where are you from? You know, and you go through the normal process of like, hey, how did you hear about us? Or, hey, you know, do you listen to any of these shows or how did you get involved with the group? Dude, after 10 guys talking to me and then you 10 guys get together, hey, did you talk to the new guy? What do you think? You got 10 fucking minds going, I think he sounded solid. what did you guys say yeah i think he's just came up here he's looking for a group to belong to he's a big fan of you know he was a former libertarian or whatever you know and got washed ash

ashore by that process and he's trying to pick up his life and and he sees the same problems we see with the country but he wonders why nobody's fucking doing anything about it you know and so he's he's one of us you know he just needs to be incorporated into the group so that he can see, hey, we got some really great people here working on these issues. You know, and if he wants to become part of us, well, then he's going to have to go through, you know, it's like the closer you get to any, like right now, I'm just a super chatter, you know. I have no authority over any group. There's nobody calling me up going, hey, you know, we're going to try to move our bunker

into, you know, into the smoky mountains, you know. No one's asking me to shit like that. But if I decided to get registered with a chapter and start making decisions and communicating with the media and you guys would want to know who the fuck I am And so you rise up in these levels and at every level people are like you know by the way I would welcome it because I'm already part of the group in spirit Which means hey if I were them I'd want to know who the fuck I was You know so it's my job to be transparent and it's your job to be intelligent and as long as I'm transparent and as long as I'm transparent and and you're intelligent, then you're going to know who the fuck I am.

And you're going to, yeah, you're going to, you're going to feel comfortable. Hey, okay, this is a good one. This one's a keeper, you know. And so, yeah, there's a process that, the idea is that I can fool one of you guys, but I can't fool 10 of you. I wonder how long is the usual process take in AA? Well, here's what they encourage. Okay.

So you're homeless. you just got to have a treatment center. You've had the first fucking decent meal, you know, in a long time. Here's all you know is that you can't quit drinking and you also can't start drinking. So as a sponsor, I look for people that fully understand that nexus, you know, that path in the road where they have no fucking clue what to do because the only thing they know how to do is try and quit or just talk themselves. into drinking again and they can't do either both of them are deadly and so that's when i just go hey look we do have solutions for that shit you got like i would hand phone numbers say hey call me can you stay sober for 24 hours can you stay sober for 12 can you stay sober for

one okay and sometimes you just remember the world has to have you have to have something in your life that's so valuable that the world will stop for you like an old lady getting beaten up in the street. Do you walk by? Or do you just go, you know what? I don't give a shit. I'm going to stop this. There's something in me that just is not going to watch this happen. I don't give a fuck if I go to jail. You know, I'm just going to get in there. I'm going to break it up because that's bullshit. So in AA, we all have that. We have that one thing in our lives that we, everything of the world just stops. We go, hey, man, you know, you need me way more than I need you. and I'm here to do what I need to do to help you out so that you don't feel abandoned or alone

and that you have solutions. Now, if you tell us to fuck off, cool, but you made that decision. It wasn't the fault of the group. So I came to you. I offered you my phone number. I said, let's go meet somewhere. Let's talk. And then in that process, I get to know, again, what were you like?

What happened? And why the fuck are you here now? And usually this story is pretty similar because we all come from the same well of circumstances, just like nationalists, exactly like nationalists. So right off the bat, we have a ton in common with nationalists. And so it's people that feel alone that need to be part of a group because it kills them that they're not part of the solution. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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Yes. Oh, you, yeah, it's a logical problem. Yeah, it's a logical problem. And that's when, so the first step, yeah, a lot of people get this wrong. So when I tell you, when I describe these little steps, you're getting them, you're getting them interpreted by a fucking expert. So don't let anybody tell you shit because most people just have a hearsay understanding. of AA or they watched a Hollywood movie. And they think that AA means I'm drunk and I admitted I had a problem. So I'm going to go out and say I'm sorry to everybody I met, everybody I did wrong to. That's it.

Roll camera, fade to black. Like that's such bullshit. That's not how it works. So the first step is that we admitted we're powerless over alcohol that our lives have become unmanageable. So that just means we can't have any power over when to drink or when to stop. We're fucked. That's what step one means.

We're fucked on two levels. One, the drinking problem. I have no control of it. How do I know that? Well, because I tried. Okay? I fucking tried to quit. Here are the things we did.

Okay. Here are some of the fucking things that we tried to do. And it goes through a list here because it's trying to get you to see something. This is really important. The transformation has to be vertical. Okay? Transformation has to be vertical. It can't just be trying.

more of the same shit, which we do all the time, because we're kind of rudderless. And so where God comes in is that we've tried every imaginable remedy. When we try to control our own drinking, okay, it says right here in some instances there have been brief recovery, followed always by a still worse relapse. Physicians who are familiar with alcoholism agree there's no such thing is making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. So it says, here are some of the methods we tried. just switching to beer only, limiting the number of drinks.

Like, hey, I'm just going to have three and then I'm going to go home. Never drink it alone because, hey, if I drink with a bunch of guys, I won't get hammered. Never drinking in the morning. Drinking only at home. Never having it in the house. Never drinking during business hours. Drinking only at parties. Switching from scotch to brandy.

Drinking only natural wines. Agreeing to resign if drunk on a job, taking a trip, or not. taking a trip, swearing it off forever with and without a solemn oath. I mean, we all know what it's like to go, okay, God damn it, I'm done, I'm fucking done. I'm never touching that shit again. Glug, glug, glug, you know, even talk about how we've all had that experience of just telling our wives, look, man, it's over. I get it.

I got to quit. And then we're calling her from the bar two fucking days later, meaning we don't have any control. We only have the delusion that we have control. So if you have no control over it and the priest can't help you and Pete Canonas can't save you and And the the pastor can't save you your wife for fuck sake can't talk you into it You need God and your life is unmanageable you don't just have a drinking problem It's going to result in homeless being fired divorce Kids you know kids stop you know kids stop talking to hell I've had cats leave me

I'm fucking serious so so basically the purpose of the organization is actually the development of men yes you but it starts with your relationship with god yeah yeah which answers your question anything yeah we're trying to live without god and life is not that easy life is rough for every person every person needs god you're either under the delusion that you have control over it like i don't really need god i've got it all under control you know i'm not homeless i still got my name car. I'm making all my payments. My electric hasn't been cut off yet. I'm not fucking homeless. My wife still loves me. They call them high bottom drunks. But the point is it's really just a good

spiritual exercise for anybody to question, hey, am I fucking crazy? Do I have it all under control? You know, and it's so the first step, you have to involve God because God is the thing that you have to submit your control to. And I'm going to steal one from you, Stormy. You got the demon driving you around like a fucking moped. You're just under the delusion that you're doing the driving. It's actually a perfect analogy. I will use it 100 fucking times. The delusion is that you're in control of your life. But alcohol is a way of grinding your issues into your face so long that you finally just have to go, okay, I've had enough. So it's about, surrender will surrender to what that's where God comes in oh yeah that's so the

logic is clear I don't control my life I've proven it time and time ask anybody who knows okay well at some point in time we are going to have to expect these young men to control their lives in some respects because okay so one thing I did notice when meeting a bunch of the OGC men in in person is that very few seem to be, what do I mean, integrated, for lack of a better term. I mean like mentally, spiritually and emotionally of one thing. Yeah, they're egos in check. They're not operating under a bunch of false delusions.

They pretty much got it straight. just ego, but as in like integrate, the, where they were mentally was not where they were spiritually or where they were emotionally or they weren't a cohesive whole, right? They may be very, very tough and resilient in one respect, but that really being a result of kind of neglecting the others. I don't know if I'm making any sense, Pete. Oh, dude, you're making perfect sense. So here's what happens is because we don't get challenged. I want to hear what Pete has to say. Okay. Like, basically, I think everyone there could be equally as benefited, not just from

the brotherhood, the camaraderie, but also character development. It comes with experience, right? And experience is being around. You have to be around people who have good, good character, and they have to be willing to take someone under their wing and just show them, you know, the way you should act. And I don't, I don't know that society does a really good job of telling people how they, or telling young men how they should act. how they should act as much as, you know, like the brother, like the brotherhood of like growing up in the church or something like that. Yeah. Okay. So I'll look at, yeah, I look at someone like, you know, I'll put his name out there. He can hate me. Jay Burton. Yeah. J. Burden is character, intelligence, knows how to act in every situation. I mean, he grew up.

he grew up in the church he grew up um with an expectation that that's there was an expectation that that's how he was going to act i agree out of all the young men that have taken a shine to me i think i i like jay burden the most for exactly that reason yeah he's rocking it pretty hard we're polishing is not really hard right now and i hope he doesn't um you know doesn't let this go to his head but well i also know all the all the things he's embarrassed about so i mean Hopefully it doesn't go too far to his head. Well, if it does, we have other guys that can say, hey, man, what makes you valuable is that you have your shit together. You are this little beacon.

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Is that going to happen on your watch? That's one example of a million. And what happens is we have large hordes of these guys that are running our government. They're coming to fucking kill us. They're building a prison for us. You see those boulders they're building? See them all stacking up those rocks? They're building a prison for you.

What are you going to do, Mr. Schitt? together are you going to act and if you're not acting you need a you need somebody to sit you down and say okay in the face of catat of catastrophe you see a spiraling group of clouds off in the gulf and the wind is picking up are you boarding up your house no okay this is actually a very good point i like to jump in for a moment um this is actually one of those things you just hit the nail on the hat about one of the things that I noticed, right? And this is a thing that is an age-related thing, right? Because maybe as you grow older, maybe it's just my specific experience.

Pete, I know, has probably had similar experiences, but there is a point in a young man's life where he knows he has agency over some things and then believes he has agency over all things. things. And the, it's hard for them to conceptualize things being out of their control, or them not having the ability to get out of something, you know, where they would much, you know, when they really need to. And there's not really a, um, the strength there, I think, specifically in the fact that we are, well, OGC is not a political organization, but I mean a lot of us engage in dissident politics, right? There is a very good chance that our lives could be made extremely unpleasant.

And I think there's a lot of negotiating, like, I'm going to take all of these steps. You do this very well. You constantly remind everyone that it doesn't matter how much obsec you think you have. It doesn't matter. At any point in time, they can come ruin your life. They already know who you are. It doesn't matter. There are no steps that you can put in between you and the millstone.

All right. If the millstone wants, you will be ground underneath it into a fine pit. haste. And I know particularly because of like where I am professionally or just like where I am in my life. And some of the blessings that I've been able, you know, to convince God I'd worthwhile of, I guess, I needed to be okay with, all right, what is the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario of opening my fucking mouth is that all of this goes away. All right. I will spend, I will basically spend my fortune in legal fees.

That's highly likely. I will no longer be able to have the reputation I have, and therefore no longer able to command the, rate of compensation I do for my time. So that's gone. So there's future income. All of my relationships that I've curated, right, those professional leapfrogging that it would have enabled me to have,

I won't have that anymore. No one is going to make a phone call on my behalf to tell someone that they need to bring me on board. They need to hire me. Right. Or convince them that I'm worthwhile. I'm not going to have that anymore. And my personal relationships will also likely be destroyed.

That is the worst case scenario. And when you take the worst case scenario and you stare at it for a long time and you say, am I okay if this happens? Like, am I okay with the worst possible scenario happening to me? And if the answer is yes, then I usually. do it. Nine times out of ten, if I'm okay with the worst possible outcome of something, I will continue to go ahead. But this one in particular carries the most risk, because in our society, the state has supreme power and no accountability and no need to justify itself

for its actions. Because there's an anonymity in which the state exerts force. Okay. Can I address that? I don't think that, I don't think that, I don't think there's a lot of young men that if the screws were ever put to them in any type of way, I was joking with Jay Burton. And I said, I think going to jail, at least for a little bit, getting in some trouble, getting locked up, getting thrown in the back of a squad car in handcuffs, having to call a lawyer, getting bail, getting out, I think it's a very good experience. All right, kind of like getting punched in the face. Everyone should get punched in the face once. in fact frequently right once a year minimum unless you're really old and i i see that the

because i don't think that they themselves and i think this is why i find this conversation so attractive is because i think the reason why i sensed a lot of reluctance for hardship among, I would probably say like a coin toss, like 50% of people there, is because they did not have, and I think this is why Jay Burton is, you know, such a good kid, is because he has a very engaged family life, right? He's married and he's got a great relationship with his family and extended family. He has a support structure. It exists, both friends and family.

A lot of the other people that I met that I thought were extremely resilient. Thomas, a good example of that too. He has a support structure that exists. And I think a lot of the men that were in the chairs, at the time I was there in Tennessee, I don't think, even though they were among people that were called brothers, I don't think that they felt inside that they had that. And if there's one thing that, you know, A.A. can do.

If the AA, you know, methodology or organizational stricter, if that could prove, could provide that in any way, I think that alone would be a worthwhile. Yeah, we're survivors of a shipwreck. We got each other's back. We are survivors of a shipwreck. We are sitting here and the fucking hurricane is forming in the Gulf. Let's say I don't have enough money for lumber. Hey, Stormy, thanks for helping me get the fucking lumber. So the situation you describe involving the police and,

losing, that only occurs when you don't have 50 or 100 or 500 people there to show up for you. When you look behind you and there's no braveheart, okay, there's no guys in paint, most of us talk as if there's that army behind us. So we already have the simple emotional mechanics straight, but because it's been removed from us, we don't know how to function outside the delusion that we actually have this extended network of family and supporters. So we have to build it. That's what we're talking about. Because when Stormy gets in trouble, I get a phone call. Pete gets a phone call. Burden gets a phone call. So Stormy never has to fucking deal with this shit by himself. And we all do that for each other. And after a while,

we start to feel almost like an organized group. Yeah, but people will do that in the same place. but what I find interesting about AA is that you can travel anywhere and that same type of obligation exists at least all the other members have the buy-in Yeah, it took them time. It's about Taiwan, right? Right, whatever.

Some Taiwanese guy is going to stop what he is doing and get a couple other Taiwanese guys to help me go on. go ahead and keep on going on my mission. Yeah. So if I can't speak time, they find an English speaker. Yeah.

They act. They take action because they know what to do. They know what to do. Hey, I'm a tourist. I'm probably one of those crazy expats. You thought, I'll come over to Thailand and meet women and just drink through my retirement fund and party,

you know, because I work so hard to get my pension. And now I'm over in Thailand because rents. They're going to look at me and go, I know exactly who you are, dude. and you're an alcoholic. So here, we're going to put you in touch with some people because here's what we know and here's what you know

that this is not paradise unless you fucking quit drinking. So we're here to help you if you want to. And so there's a network there of people that understand your situation. They know who the fuck you are. You can't lie about it. What happened to somebody doesn't want to do that? Like what happens if like they're, oh, is there an obligation for the membership to go to bat for someone?

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Terms apply for more infoosies sky.a slash speeds. Well, you don't get thrown out. And yeah, and this is why we always start from the beginning. Because remember, each and every individual came in, drunk, sticky, broke and confused. And they were met with a sponsor who introduced them to other people and they worked these steps with him. That means they sat down with them night after night with a pen and paper and they went over the fucking areas of their life because they've already admitted, hey, I'm fucked without God. So now what do I do? Okay, well, we examine all the things you did thinking you had control over your life.

So my point is, once he's sponsored and on his way, he now built right into the steps is, dude, the reason why God made you sober. It's not so that you could play the cowboy song in reverse and get your dog back and get your girl back and get your house back so you can tell the rest of us to fuck off. No. The only relationship you have with God is that he saves your ass so that you can save others. That's the deal. God's not a capitalist. God's not a fucking American. And your soul has nothing to do with any of these pseudo cultures.

Your relationship with God is like, hey, you saved my life. life and I'm going to do in return because you've given me the power to do that before I wasn't I wasn't of any use to anybody I wasn't any a use to myself or anybody I cared about but God literally came in touched me and fucking cured me well if I want to stay sober I have to give this shit back I have to step up to I'm now a soldier like I don't have my old identity that's what a vertical transformation is I'm not the old guy I've been given a new lease on life. And there's a way to fuck that up and a way to keep it.

But I can only keep it if I'm willing to do these other things for other people, because that's how the deal works. That's the metaphysics of the success of spiritual growth, is that you give it back. And you absolutely have to do that because the moment you have one reservation, like I belong to like a 24-hour hotline. So if they call me up and say, hey, there's a dude down at the bus station.

He called this up. We have your name on a list, so we're calling you. Can you go down there and pick them up? He says he wants to quit drinking. Can you at least do the thing? They don't even need to tell me what to do. I know what to do. So I just go down there and I meet the guy.

So he made a phone call. They called me and next thing you know, I'm at the bus station. And it doesn't matter if I have, well, I can't come now because, you know, it's fucking Saturday night. You know, UFC is about to start. I have to go, hey, what's more important? My recovery, my relationship with God, which I know for a fact exists because I live it every day. I have to go do this, which means I record it.

Okay? There are simple solutions to all of these mental tricks that you play because you just don't want to step up to the plate. It's an inconvenient time or what's my wife going to say? And when you look at the history of AA and how it started, these guys opened up their houses, their lives. They were, you know, they were evangelized. They had the Holy Spirit fucking cure them. And so there's a motive.

There's a motive. There's a reason why there's going to be somebody at that AA group that looks at me and says, hey, it's my turn to step up to the plate. Just like the old lady getting beaten up. The first thing you addressed is I want to look around to see if there's other guys that are going to help me, you know, because I don't want to get my ass kicked, but I can't sit there and watch this old lady get mugged. So I'm going to go in there.

I'm going to jump into the fire. And what you find out is that God will provide things for you to protect you. You just don't practice jumping into the fire enough. And AA is really good at throwing this into the fire over and over again because our fears become absolved. The fear says don't take action. And then the sponsor says take it or else you're going to fucking get drunk again. And I say, okay, and I do it. And guess what?

My fears were just that. peers they weren't real I went over there I grabbed the handbag I gave the guy a fucked up look and he ran off running well how did that happen I didn't have to engage in you know I didn't have to get stabbed over it I didn't have to get sued I didn't know your fears yeah I'm just thinking of how this is I'm trying to think of which way we can parallel this Pete give any thoughts except for the I like stuff about like, go ahead. Not necessarily.

No, not right now. Yeah, when you take a bunch of action, you start to realize. I just, I feel like I just don't want people to think that we're attacking, you know, what, what's existing now and what is, you know, what is progressing well. Oh, no, no, no. Talking about ways, we're talking about ways to improve and definitely to increase, increase camaraderie, but not only to increase camaraderie, but also to, you know, help, help the individuals that are coming in on an individual basis. I mean, we are a collective,

and collectivism is more important than anything. But, you know, if you have, if you, the more quality individuals you have that are in a collective, the better, the better it's going to be going forward. I'm just saying we should spend some time training each other. And it can happen quite naturally. Like we have Texas meetups. We have guys in our, I now have a list of people in my own zip code. I have a telegram chat. I can say literally, hey, what are we doing this Saturday? Or, hey, are we going to meet at the La Mauda Lane next Tuesday like we did last time? Thing is, they keep moving it around and they keep switching it up. So it's hard for guys like me who are willing to join. I kind of had a habit there like, okay, great, Tuesday night at La Mauda Lane.

But then you find out, well, they moved it to the other side of town. So I'm like, okay, so what we learn from that is consistency helps. Consistency helps guys get together. If you can meet at the same place on the same day twice a week, that's way better than leaving it up for grab so that nobody, when Tuesday night rolls around, knows where anybody's going to meet. So that's a spiritual principle, which is, you know, availability. You know, we need a lot less people that are able and a lot more people that are available. So availability. is built into the system too. And that's a teachable thing.

So we teach each other, hey, be available, be predictable. Be the guy that everybody knows you're going to be there. And practice that all the time. Because that's how you found the people that helped you, is you walked into a place and you saw the same guy that's been sitting in the same chair every fucking Saturday night. And something magical happens when you are dependable. You attract people that need you.

you know so these are there's there's there's there's there's a bunch of these little spiritual tidbits that are built into the program that teach you how to be a better fucking person don't be the guy that shows up and then doesn't show back up again if you're going to do this shit be consistent because the benefits you get from being dependable are that your relationship with god grows because you're learning to do things that your mind told you you didn't have to do. I don't have to show up every Tuesday night. I don't have to be there all the time. You know, it's like these are these are character defects and there are flaws in the way we live our daily lives, you know, uh, that once you get a handle of them, you're now living

a life. Now you start to feel, wow, God's driving this moped. It's not that fucking archon. It's not that other entity. I start to feel more and more in line with the fact I've got something keeping me sober, keeping me alive, and keeping me connected with my guys. Why? Because I did the simple things. I just showed up every Tuesday night like I'm supposed to. Even if nobody else shows up, you learn how to do things because that's what you're supposed to fucking do. You know? And if the guys are listening, no, I haven't been there because they kept changing the fucking date. So we have AA clubhouses. That's all they are. They're just a clubhouse. anybody at any time can just go there and there's going to be usually a lot of the same people there

and then they have the big meeting time so you get to meet a whole bunch of different people but the doors are open the coffee is made you can show up it's an oasis well yeah well i mean that's that's that that's the a structure we don't have that right now um we don't have the we don't have places um set up so that we're meeting all the time that there there's something open so yeah we We got telegram groups, which are actually pretty cool. Yeah, we've got telegram groups. But the, I think really one of the more important things to realize when you're talking about this is something that a lot of people have realized, whether they think it's a positive or a negative is just how much in the last five years,

and especially since 2020, that people, they have been driven either back to church or to church. and some people can say that's good, some people can say that's bad, don't really, don't really, you know, care. Well, picture a situation like the hurricane. Hold on, let him talk, let him talk. Sorry, buddy. Yeah. So when we're, when we look at that, that is definitely not something, when I say this, it's going to sound manipulative. That's something that we have to take advantage of. And I'm not, I don't mean that in a manipulative way. I mean that in that it's obvious that there were people seeking. And there are other people out there who just don't know what to do.

They feel the same pull towards there's something beyond me. Things just aren't working out for me right now. I've told this story and it's anecdotal about how like my wife's nephews and nieces are all in their early 20s. They're all white heritage Americans. and they're fucking killing it. Buying houses, getting married, and all this. And I hear other people complaining if they can't do that, that they're being shut out of it.

And I wonder how much of that is a spiritual problem where it's like they've just given up. And when your spirit is alive within you, you don't give up. You're not, yeah, I mean, sure, Jews control, we're in a Zionist occupied, everything. Yet people are still there. There are people out there who are still thriving or like, I'm not going to be defeated by this. I'm not going to use it as an excuse.

They had sponsors. Yeah. And they, so they need, you know, people need to be aware that there are people here who are open to hearing what you have to say about. You know, you don't have to be embarrassed. You know, if you were to approach me and say, you know, I, I feel this calling, but I just don't know what church to go to because I think all churches are full of shit. Well, that's because they're filled with humans. Okay.

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That's what sponsors do. Yeah. That's what sponsors do. They hold your hand through the process of getting from your disseminated, disenfranchised world into a world that is cohesive and has solutions and answers to this shit like if i moved to alabama i said man i don't see any fucking good churches people come and say ain't look where do you live okay go to this group i go okay great i went to that group oh i smiled at all the girls and none of them fucking waved back okay here's what here's where you got to start okay why don't you show up every

Sunday, consistently, give it 90 days, you know, introduce yourself and just let God take care of the rest. Just fucking be patient for 90 days. You've got to let time work on your side. Most people don't know how to do that. They don't know how to have, they don't know how to live their life in 90 day increments. There's something pretty special about 90 days for the human soul, for the human body. There's a 90 day rhythm there that I don't need to prove, but it's there. So when you go to a new place, you know, give yourself, like I told myself at the at the OGC meetings, like, hey, you know, these things take time. I learn that from integrating myself into AA groups. You don't get everybody to drop what they're doing and pay attention to you. Sometimes you just need to be

the guy that shows up. Then they recognize that you're here for a reason. And then the relationships develop. And then you get phone numbers. And then you start meeting people up. It's a gradual process. But the group's there for you. You know, the group's there for you. So right now, as a group, we all see this hurricane off in the Gulf and we keep waiting for somebody else to fix it or we don't know what to do or how to fix it or all of our solutions are delusional. So when you have groups together and you talk about this with 20 other guys that are probably smarter than you, you start to realize, hey, we have some really good ideas. is here we can start this process of thick of learning how to deal with the fact that this hurricane's coming

and it's going to blow our fucking houses down if we don't board things up get some sandbags we need the community to help us and everybody start working together because guess what it's a fucking hurricane you know we just don't we see the signal but we don't react and when we try to react we feel alone we look behind us looking for that army of like-minded people but they're not there so that's why we just say, okay, let's just let the lady get robbed. You know, I can't stick my neck out. I can't be the only guy. I'm telling you, man, that's a massive problem.

People don't feel connected to a larger group. Structures like AA, structures like the OGC, structures like, you know, they work. They get people out of isolation and into a community. That is super fucking important. This is something. that we had in this culture before, you know, the New Deal and things like that where people were just handed free money. You know, you had Italian American organizations.

You basically had churches that they did this job. They were the ones who they took people under their wing. They helped people if they were in trouble, but they also did, they were also there to help and to help people grow. I mean, like a lot of these organizations were there to help people become Americans, especially if they had like just come, if they had just come off the boat, if they had just to help people become Americans, we don't have that anymore. And that's what we need.

That's what we're going back to. That's the, that's why you're, you form a fraternity. You form something like this. You form this because that's been completely lost. It's been, it's been written out of our history. We don't even talk about, you know, mutual aid societies aren't even talked about anymore. Um, ethnic, you know, ethnic, uh, community groups aren't even talked about anymore. And the reason why is because the government said, oh, no, we can do all that.

Well, when the government does it, it deracinates you because you're, you know, you're talking to people who speak like you and sound like you and look like you and they're teaching you how to fit into this culture and how to become, you know, the people become somebody who is going to be an American. Yeah. I mean, there's a Bible in every hotel. How come everybody's not a. Christian. Well, we handed them Bibles. Yeah, and then we left him alone. You know, we gave him

paycheck. On that note, Pete, on that note, I was listening to your stream with Daryl and Thomas, by the way, which is amazing in everyone. Everyone needs to go listen to. And thank you, Daryl, for the kind words. And yes, you are correct. It was patriotism took a lot to grieve. But you guys touched on a question that I'll save for another day, but I think, and maybe you want to talk privately about this first, but I think I might have an answer to Daryl's question of who our people are, who an American is, as far as a political definition that we can use going forward, an answer that's useful.

and in a way that basically puts our enemies in a real bind pushing up against. So maybe that's a conversation for another time, but really what we're talking about now is kind of brushing up on the same thing again, which kind of proves this point. Defining like who our guys are, both our, who are, who are our base is, right? Who are we doing these things for? Right, so outside of the group. And who are we doing these things with inside the group? And I think what we've been talking about tonight is inside the group stuff.

And I'm curious to see how these type of strategies would play when applied to outside the group people. Right, so one thing that is phenomenal about the OGC is its ability to execute successfully. I don't even want to call it, I don't even want to call it community outreach. It actually, like, it doesn't get talked about as much anymore because it's been quite a long time since it's happened.

But the thing that impressed me most, out of everyone involved in the OGC and out of how fast it's growing, these are all very impressive things. But what you guys did in the hurricane, was what sold me. And some of the guys, hopefully they're listening to this,

grew up in just that period because of the types of hardships that they were forced to see in doing the cleanup. And, you know, basically that has that, in doing that outreach, A, the OGC was impactful in its community in a real tangible way that people can point to,

that people feel blessed by receiving. And also the members that took part in it, I don't want to say that they weren't prior, but they definitely on the other side of it came out what I would definitely consider a man in fully integrated form. They had encountered such a level of hardship that they were changed both internally in a way that, in a way that,

manifested itself externally, right? Like you take the kid, you know, that's going off to war, like 17 or 18, you see his picture and then you see his picture two years later after he comes back off his first rotation and they look, you know, facial feature wise, identical. But you look at these two pictures and you don't think they're the same person. It's like a different person is staring back at you. So an internal change has happened to such a degree that an external change that is hard to quite put your finger on, but is there, exists. And I think that's some of the hardship I was talking about earlier and how that has the ability, you know, certain people you could just see, like, have had it already internally in their

lives prior to joining. But also, I think we should probably touch on the ability to generate that actually through the group, right? So, like that type of hardship, the type of hardness that was created inside the guys that took part in that in North Carolina. Right? That was actually developed in the setting of the OGC. To them, the most pivotal moments of their lives happened as part of the group. And I don't think that would ever, ever leave that person. And the type of binding agent that that would have would be very similar to Paladins, how Paladin feels about AA and the indescribable impact it has had and the fidelity he has to that organization.

I think the boys that took part in the rescue effort, North Carolina, have a similar type of relationship with the old Glory Club now. So I think that that seems to be like the sweet spot where I'm able to harmonize what the OGC is now. and some of the aspects you are talking about and you're suggesting, because the end result is a more complete, more hardened, more integrated person. That is, not just better because the group made him better through helping him and working through all his bullshit. But actually, because of the group itself, in working through the group, he is now, right? He has both, his brothers have both made him a better person. But he has also made himself a better person through, through his service to them.

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and volunteering. It's like, hey, go down to Salvation Army, or help these guys move, or this lady needs some help with whatever, or, you know, what we need coffee made. Tell you what, they gave me the keys to a church, and they said, you need to be there a half hour early every Tuesday and every Thursday for a year. And you've got to close the church down. So, of course, my instinct, well, I got my busy-ass life. I got, you know, I'm such an important person.

I don't have time. They just made me do it. and you grow and you learn and you argue with yourself, you tell yourself how much you hate fucking doing this. And then every time you get through, you're like, wow, I'm really glad I did this. Something about doing service work, taking action, stepping up to the plate,

getting out of your comfort zone and doing shit for other fucking people. It's so spiritually necessary to, like I was not able to get down there. I probably would have been if I had 20 guys that I knew that could maybe help me watch my dogs, you know if I had had my shit together I'd have had two other employees that could have taken over so all I could do is write checks you know but it's like the checks are not convenient people call up and they say look we need you know 10,000 dollars or 5,000 dollars or 3,000 you know I'm in the process of looking at a new guitar because I only have nine you know I need

I need an even 10 yeah but there's something about going fuck it these guys need my help way more than need it so you just do it and the more uncomfortable it is the better it feels so these are just character issues man these are character issues there's a guy that went down there and spent a lot of his own fucking money and in a real group he'd have people sending him checks just blindly just anonymously saying hey you were one of those guys that like drained your fucking savings trying to help these people i got your back i'm one of your fraternity brothers pete how many uh how many donations did you facilitate god only knows I mean, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 25,000.

We got tents there just in time. I mean, that was just me, me facilitating the doing it. It was, you know, everybody else who was, it's all the people who were giving that, you know, that's what's most important was the people who gave. And we were able to get that there, get the stoves there and the tents there, you know, for when the freeze was coming in but yeah i mean this is those guys went down there you know shout out to melon and j ford uh not that's who i was thinking of yeah j ford yeah j ford is who i was thinking of yeah and not me not you was one of the first people there and he really

set up the system yeah help you know help to set up the system that that went that they used but i mean me and j ford were spending they were spending weeks there there was in months there and yeah you know when I talked when I talked to them you know they they're just I don't know what they were like before they did that but they're just they seem to me wise beyond their years now and when I talked I had a I had a conversation with Melon in Tennessee and I don't want to put him on the spot but I think that was probably one of the most formative of experiences, at least of his life going forward. When he's like, when something terrible happens to Mellon in the future, which it will no doubt,

you know, happen. It's going to happen to all of us, you know, bad things. I am an extremely unlucky person, so I may have had like a lot for like my age, but I know I'm going to have a lot more. And I have my moments that I can dig down, you know, from the past that I can dig up when I need strength. You know, like you got through this already. This here, whatever you're stressed about, this is bullshit. This doesn't matter. And I think that time in North Carolina will be an infinite well of strength for him going forward in his life. Yeah, you need that water table that just marks the lowest spot and once you're there, everything else is uphill. Like I've, you know, I've jumped out of a fucking plane before. I'm like,

you know, hey, come on, be honest. Why are you being such a chicken shit about this one little thing? Dude, you jumped out of a fucking plane. And you're like, yeah, I did. So it makes the next challenge a little easier. You know, it's like, dude, I've been homeless for fucking months and years. It's like, what are they going to do to me? Like, you know, I mean, once you've lived a certain life, it's pretty easy to just go,

oh, yeah. Okay, well, no, I don't need 99% of the shit I have because I survive quite fine on 1%. And so it's easier to just step up to the plate each time. And you know what? You're you're an instrument of Holy Spirit. Is there a regimented process that A that A has for how much, like, for doing community service? Is there like an order of operations? Do they have certain groups that they help out? Basically tell me how that work is assigned. Yeah. Well, it can like we have people that go out to prisons all the time. A lot of it's just like, look, some people are going to fight that process. They don't know how to do it. So the sponsor's job is to just say, hey,

well, hopefully by the time they find the OGC, they will want to do it. Because I mean, you have to already be in the game to know we exist. But let's just say that they've already found it and they already want to do it. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's, well, there's no limit to that. You can do whatever you want. We have people that that don't work anymore. They're retired. So 100% of their life is either sponsoring guys, which takes time out of your day a lot. It involves getting in the car and meeting with people and doing stuff. It involves sitting down with them and listening to their stories and writing out a bunch of inventory, which is just the process of getting that person

to see how toxic their life really is. Because we have the equivalent of confession, only it goes a little bit one step further in the sense that when we look at our lives, we've got to be able to find out exactly what the nature of our wrongs is. And it's not because I stole 20 bucks out of the till the problem's way deeper than that so when you start to integrate service work it becomes it's like hey this is how this is how i stay humble this is how i remind myself on a daily basis that it's not the devil driving the fucking mopet you know i have a new moped driver you know you know it's like and this is the life i live now because as i continue to do this i get rewarded and now things I used to fear, I no longer fear.

Things I used to dread about the past, I'm totally at peace with. There's some things I think are really interesting about it as far as like the, as far as being humbled has to do with it. Because you're going to have, as this grows, you're going to, I mean, just from what I saw and just some of the people that I talk to, Like Ron Donson, also a fantastic guy. Everyone should be very thankful that Ron graces periodically with his takes and his insights. He's a very smart dude.

But he and I have come from a finance background. You had guys that were nurses, you had guys that are in between jobs and create. creating a place where everyone is at the same, I mean, in any other social setting, there would be barriers between me and the guy without a job. Even if we never, even if neither of us ever mentioned it, you know, that would exist. And I think it's very important to remove those. I don't know, Pete. Am I making any sense? grid. Operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade

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and people like Haywood and other people because going forward well i mean they have they have experiences i mean these let's just call them elite i mean these are these are some of the elites of the elite so um yeah yeah i mean i know i know what you're saying well if stormy knows a lot about money and has a history of finance teach guys that don't know shit about how to get their lives in order financially like just teach them how to do it you know you just say hey Tuesday night I'm having a fucking seminar like I know a lot of shit about certain things I would just gladly give my fucking time like like literally if I lived in an actual zip code calling me out yeah it's like well it's a very good point it's a very no it's a very good point you you will feel amazing about it

it's like yeah you will feel amazing about it because we're answering the questions where does service work fit in where does god fit in this is how you do that is you get the fuck out of yourself and you stretch yourself beyond the comfort zone because your comfort zone that that's how that's how the devil drives your fucking mopet because you're comfortable on uh next uh next thursday night i'll have to uh actually no sorry it'll have to be two weeks from now but maybe i will do something like that i think that's a very good idea well like prudentialist you know he comes down he says look are you guys trying to do any type of community organizing? Are you battling with some level of bureaucracy?

Are you one of those guys that's trying to maybe get a city council position? Call me. I know the fucking ropes. I can probably help you or direct you to people that can help you. I've got family and friends that are running for a city council position in Seattle. And based on the last OGC speech, the one I really paid attention to, was the one where they were talking about how, look, you can't just flee to the fucking country. We need our guys in the city.

trying to influence the political machine on a local level so that life for the people out in the country is bearable. I would love to move to Washington State, but not if Seattle and Salem are full of a bunch of blue-haired psychos. Because no matter how I try to live my life in the country, if the city's not fixed and how do we get our guys to influence the city? where people like Prudentialists say fucking call me and I'll help you That's what the networking is I don't know how to do this but I know a guy who knows a guy

Gee who's really famous for knowing how to do that These are basic signs that you have your shit together as a group Is that people are not left alone I'm trying to buy a house I've never bought a house does anybody here know how to fucking buy a house Without getting totally fucked you know does anybody know how to do that and people will be like, yes, we do. Call this guy, you know.

I'm at the fucking break check and they said I need $13,000 worth of break work. Call Andy. See if that estimate makes sense. You know? You know, so everybody's got their area that they're pretty good at and they can contribute because I need a butcher, a baker, and a fucking candlestick maker. Why? Because I'm a mechanic, you know?

I don't know anything about butchering baking or candlestick making. So I need the people in my community to help me in the areas that I don't know about. And when everybody does that for each other, it's pretty simple. You now have a, you now have this thing called power that we claim we don't have any of. Well, you know, that's where it comes from. You know, it's just networking. You know, and you've got to have people that are willing to answer the phone and drop what they're doing and help a brother out. Sometimes it's just guidance. Sometimes it's advice. Sometimes I go through my

roodex and I say, hey, you're in Arkansas. Call this dude. And then shit happens. You know? And that's service work. That's just being available and fucking addressing the fact that this guy needs somebody in the group to help him with something that he has no experience in. He doesn't need to be a master of all trades. He's got friends that are butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers so he can focus on fixing transmissions. You know, I don't need to learn how to be a real estate agent. You know, I can call somebody in our group that says, hey, I'm going to be buying some property over here. This is what I want to do.

I want to retire there. But I don't know how to buy a fucking house. I watched a couple videos, and they just automatically mentioned 10 things that I never would have looked for. So I'm out of my league. I want to talk to somebody that's in their league. And that way I don't run into a bunch of fucking complex because I want to be useful for the group. I'm not useful to the group if I'm constantly having to learn the hard way how to get basic shit in my life done like money, relationships, marriage, property. You know, if I don't know how to do any of that stuff, then my contributions to the group are hugely diminished.

But if I've got people helping me with those things, now my excess is for. fully at the disposal to the OGC because I'm now, my problems are solved because you guys help me. Now I have no problems. Now I can start solving other people's problems. It's just a contagious effect and it starts with that fraternity. It starts with the character building. It starts with the network and it starts with people learning basic shit about stewardship and community and service work. And hey, are we in this together or not?

Because when I look behind me, I want to see some brave heart-looking mother. fuckers behind me because i'll be there for you yeah i think we should end it right there we can um we can keep going and i think we'll be uh repeating a lot of what we already what we've already reiterated i think there's a lot there to chew on and probably a lot there to um upset every upset some something there to upset everyone and um also hopefully to make people think and to um give people ideas for going forward because we're not going to we're not going to be able to get through this unless we can come together but you know in order to come together we also need need high quality people and that's the spiritual warfare first i'm the first person to um

to admit that um you know i'm far from perfect i'm there's nothing there's nothing perfect about me but I hope that I'm that I'm still teachable and that I can keep learning yeah well we need Marines in this spiritual warfare you know you read a lot of books Pete you're definitely able to keep learning yes I don't have to read all that shit I can call Pete give me give me the gist well I mean I'm now smarter and I can have conversations with other people Because I didn't do all the fucking work. I literally inherited the gist.

You know, it's another thing. A lot of us, we don't need, the historical deep dives are great for the intellectuals. But a lot of us just need to know what's the fucking story? Like Stormy was talking about, you know, who are we as the people? I'd like to answer the first question, which is whose fucking house is this that we live in? Is this ours? And if it's ours, well, then that's a totally different course of action that we need to take. If it's not ours, I was proposing that maybe we handle our issue like a union, but, you know, like a union fighting a corporation.

That seems to be more directly analogous and provides a whole avenue of solutions if we treat the fact that this is not our house anymore, that it's been sold and is now owned by new people that don't have our interests at heart. So how do unions get the attention of a corporation? I think that's how heritage Americans are going to have to negotiate this thing, much like a union. And union history is full of fucking solutions. And like right now, the UFC is going through this. Like right now as we speak, we have court documents. We have it shows you the mind of these people that rule us, you know,

just to learn what their actual attitude is. this is how they treat us this is what they think about us we need to know that you know i think we i think we i don't think you're going to get a better spot than right there and to end on yeah yeah yeah i know stormy has to get out of here so um i appreciate you stormy take to finally talk to you man hey man of course taking the time because i know you're busy now i'm in pakistan yes And then Pakistan. I'm going to go to that market up in the,

up in the mountains on the border with Afghanistan and shoot some RPDs later. I'm going to see if somebody can lend me a mule and get on up there. All right, gentlemen. I'm going to stop the 7 by 762 by 39 crisis in the U.S. All right. Great show, guys. Thanks, man.

Next big investment. Yeah. Everybody, don't leave the chat until everything uploads. So I'm going to end up recording right now. Thank you. Really enjoyed it. Take care. All right, man.