The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1266: Growing Political Violence w/ Firas Modad and Ron Dodson

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

115 MinutesPG-13Ron Dodson is Principal Owner & Portfolio Manager of a Texas hedge fund.Firas Modad is a Middle East and geopolitical risk analyst and host on The Lotus Eaters.Pete invited Firas and Ron to join him to talk about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and the potential consequences of the political reality we live in.Firas' SubstackThe Lotus EatersFiras on TwitterRon at the American ReformerRon's SubstackRon on TwitterLand's End - Christopher CaldwellPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I have these two guys back here, Firas Modad and Ron Dodson. And it's September 11th, 2025. And I feel like there's like absolutely nothing to talk about. Nothing's the last of the time, Pete. Yeah. Well, obviously about 24 hours ago now, news started coming out that Charlie Kirk was shot. Does anybody want to jump in? Go ahead.

Either one. Well, Charlie, if you, if, you know, and Charlie was, I tweeted about this, Charlie was not a right winger by, especially as we would define the term. He was a kind and engaging conservative in the best sense, in the real American sense of trying to conserve a kind of a legacy of American Christian ideals and was willing to talk and debate and do so in a kind way with all comers. And usually he was successful in his debates and talk. But even when he wasn't, even when somebody maybe got the upper hand on him, he was so dignified and kind.

And, you know, so this is a real, to me, this is a real message. You know, who knows who ultimately was behind this if it was a, you know, trans zealot or something more, even more nefarious. What struck me is, if they're willing to do this to Charlie Kirk, who was honestly a kind family Christian man, what are they going to do to somebody who has honest, honestly wants to reconsider some of the precepts of liberalism? And so in that way, it's meant to be chilling. I know both my daughters who live in Austin, Texas, I don't know if I mean, you know, they're down there in school. And Austin's a very liberal town and they're scared, you know, um, dad, you're kind of an outspoken guy, you know, and I told him, hey, you don't, I don't think you have anything to worry about,

but it's meant, it's meant to fright. This is what terrorism does. And, uh, you know, so those are my, and then my thoughts were just, poor Erica, you know, they obviously, a tight, marriage with two, you know, beautiful young lady and two neat kids who obviously love their mom and dad, love their mom and dad. What a tragic story just from a personal level. And the fact that they were there when the shooting happened makes it so much worse. Yeah. Let me challenge you there on something you said, Ron. Yeah.

You said that, you know, somebody like, you know, somebody who challenges literally. liberalism. Do you honestly think that these people are like they're fighting for liberal ideals, like historic liberal ideals? Well, I think they're fighting for the derivative of liberalism or the natural telos, the end, the goal of liberalism, which is radical egalitarianism and the destruction of metaphysics. And this is my concern. honestly, across this, the political spectrum is I think there has to be a metaphysical rooting in whatever you're doing. Good people, you know, disagree with that. But that I think, so that's what I mean by the, you know, fighting for liberal ideas. I just mean that derivative,

that pot at the end of the rainbow, in the sense, all puns intended for liberalism, that, you know, Charles, my friend Charles Haywood puts it very well, that it's radical egalitarianism and, you know, that ultimately it ends in nihilism. And yesterday was a nihilistic act. So that's kind of where I stand on that. Ferris, go ahead. I mean, I very much agree with Ron in that this was a very nihilistic act and that it was a terrorist act and that this was precisely the intention. I'd go a little bit further.

I'd suggest that if you look at the last few decades, the liberal left has sort of reached the end of the line because it won everything. It won when it came to cradle to grave welfare. It won on immigration. It won on homosexuality, homosexual marriage, got transgenderism enshrined in law in most European countries. There's a bit of pushback in the States on abortion, on transgenderism. But throughout the West, the battle for the left is. completely won. The issue that they're facing is that the results of these victories are absolutely abysmal. Racial hatred has never been higher with obviously the left and the minorities and the

black community being responsible for a disproportionate amount of that racial hatred and of the racial violence and of the religious violence. multiculturalism, mass immigration have proven to be completely disastrous. The tolerance of homosexuality didn't end with live and let live and everybody does whatever they want in their own bedrooms. It reached the point of trying to indoctrinate children and even trying to mutilate children. And therefore, they can't achieve anything further through political means. and they're slowly beginning to lose in procedural and legal means.

We saw that in the United Kingdom with them losing the debate on transgenderism. It turns out that the Supreme Court in the United Kingdom, a historic aberration created by Prime Minister Tony Blair, said that, no, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, and they can't have the same bathrooms, they can't have the same sports teams, etc., etc. So now that they're beginning to lose and now that they've reached the end of the line, they cannot moderate. And part of the reason that they cannot moderate is because of the ideologies of intersectionality and allyship.

They need to maintain their coalition and they need to maintain it across the board because the implications of allyship and intersectionality are that, you know, we're all in this together. And we saw an example of it here in the United Kingdom. We're having the green communist lefties allying with the most radical Islamists. And that immediately led to a conflict over, you know, transgenderism, because the Muslims will never say that a man is in fact. in fact a woman. And the response from one of the more high-profile trans people here in the UK was to a Muslim MP, Muslim Pakistani MP, was that, well, if you don't say that I'm a woman, then I will say that you're not really British. So in a sense, the web of lies that they have

is completely interdependent because of the way they think in terms of intersectionality and allyship. And the result of that is that they cannot compromise. So now that they're losing electorally and politically, the only means that they have is the one that they've always used, which is violence. And they cannot in fact calm down and compromise, because as they say to each other in their own internal fights, if you ditch me, I'll ditch you. And once that abandonment happens, the whole house of cards falls apart. So they're stuck escalating, or at least a big enough radical minority of them, is stuck escalating. And by big enough, when you see some of the more horrific tweets about the murder of the martyrdom, indeed, of Charlie Kirk,

they're getting 200,000 likes. They're getting, you know, massive engagement numbers. numbers, massive support for staying these absolutely atrocious things because they're programmed that way. And the ones that are so severely programmed, I would describe them as demonic because they're genuinely possessed by this ideology and they cannot compromise on it. And they can't win any further politically. And all of their political victories have turned the world into a much worse place, but they can't back down, and therefore they must escalate. And the only escalation pathway that they have now is more radical violence.

So I think that this is the beginning of a wider trend. And you see that because you see some people here in the UK calling for the next assassination, and you see it in the United States as well. People talk about killing Matt Walsh, people talking about killing Ben Shapiro, killing Trump, killing Vance, killing Teal, killing whoever. Like they've got a list of names of people that they want debt. And so they don't have another pathway if they want to remain politically relevant. And they will take that path of violence rather than give up power or compromise.

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Great to see you back at Spex Savers Okay, could you read out the letters on the wall for me? Yep, D-E-A-L-S? Yeah, D-E-A-L-S, deals. Oh, right, yes, our Black Friday deals are I catching but the letter chart's over here. Oh, sorry. At Speck Savers, we've got all sorts of unmissable Black Friday deals

like up to 70 euro off one pair of designer glasses. Offer ends on 7th of December 2025. Conditions apply. Ask in store for details. You know, you mentioned, interestingly, you said, you know, they've kind of reached the wall of possible victory. I think they still have, I still think there's the, there's still one thing that they haven't completely won yet, and that's complete and total emancipation from, unchosen bonds of which gender is the most obvious gender and race.

And so I think that, but they think they can change their, that's why I think this is the tip of the spear. And it wouldn't surprise me if this was, you know, if this was a zealot, if it wasn't a, you know, one of the John Brown trans zealot types. But I think that's kind of the, I agree with you, but I think that's that, I think that's the battle that's being, sadly, we need to be fighting these battles way back over this direction. But that's the battle that's being fought is this total emancipation. And it does go back. Everybody says, we're kind of in a post-Marx post, I don't, you know, maybe in some ways, but, but, but marks, ultimately it was a, he sought this too, you know, an emancipation from the family.

And so, and that's the seat of this reality. And so, I think the, what did he consider, what did he consider to be the key factor to emancipate people from the family? Oh, tell me, Pete. I don't have my, I don't have my marks in front of me. Capitalism. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Land talks about this. The acceleration and the acceleration of capital breaks all.

these bonds down. And that's kind of my argument on the, I mean, we don't need to jump topics yet, but that's my argument. I keep telling people on the tariff thing is, look, tariffs can be either employed or just economic borders and just like physical borders, they can either be handled poorly, unwisely, or well and wisely, but you can't ignore the fact that they exist. And, but yeah, No, capitalism as an ism as a totalizing system is a Marx idea, as opposed to free price discovery, which is a Christian idea of equal scales and measures, of the ability to serve my neighbor by the work of my hands. That's Christian. And so I think, you know, again, I don't want to leave the topic that we're on, but that's a super point.

point, Pete. Well, we can come back to that then. So, you know, I guess one of the things that we has already been mentioned is the celebration of violence and also not only the celebration of violence, but the celebration of death. Yes. And you didn't even, you really didn't see that in the Soviet Union. They tried to hide it. You know, arguments going to be made that personally, they celebrated it. But with pretty much every person possible, every schizo and every ideologue having access to being able to put a sentence out into the public and have the possibility of 60 to 70 to 80 million people seeing it, I think it's easy to say, oh, this is just one person. But I think, you know, Fero's right. If you put out there celebrating Charlie Kirk's death and, I mean, just think back 30 or 40 years ago, no one celebrated the death of somebody unless they were like an absolute monster.

You know, it's like, when is Fidel Castro going to die or something like that? But now it's like you have people who, I mean, basically classical liberals who want to have a conversation with people and want to win their conversation, sure. But I mean, he was a liberal. I mean, Charlie was a liberal. Right. I mean, the poster boy for liberalism. And they shot him. They killed them because of that.

Because real liberalism is fascism to these people. So what do you? People ask, oh, how did this group rise up? And Mike Shelby over at Forward Observer has done a great job of pointing out that whenever you see right-wing authoritarianism rise, it's because a left-wing authoritarianism has already risen, and there's a response that needs to be had. Well, John Locke would be considered. I mean, if you read, everybody wants to sit on, you know, some of the things that we on the right have problems with, tabula rasa, so on and so forth, kind of a regenerative revolution with every, with every, generation as a result of that. But leave all that aside, the rest of Locke reads very right-wing in the sense of there needs to be a commonality again, a metaphysical common set of presuppositions

that rule the public square. Otherwise, all this breaks down. And so the tenets of classical liberalism, and again, it all leads to this. So I don't want to sound like a champion for classical liberalism. because I think it has the seeds of its own destruction. But if you just read Locke, Locke would seem like an absolute, you know, right-wing monster to these people because the pre-sup positions that he's working with are completely unacceptable, at least in my reading. Yeah. I think the point that right-wing authoritarianism rises in response to left-wing violence or left-wing

authoritarianism should be emphasized more. And I think that we saw that with the reactions from the right to the martyrdom of Kirk, which were to sort of try to paraphrase and summarize them. If you want to kill the classical liberal who's just there to debate you, that means you want to do much worse things. to us. And if you're celebrating this murder, then there really is no point in any further conversation with you. Now arguably, there was no point in further conversation from the time that the demonization started, that if you were to say that different groups of people were

genuinely different, that different nations, distinctions should be preserved, that Christianity is the bedrock of Western morality, you would be described as a fascist, as a Nazi, as far right, as an extremist, et cetera, et cetera. This was the door to further debate being shut in our faces, us of the right. And Charlie Kirk tried to reopen that door and did so in the most moderate gentlemanly way possible just by having conversations with the young people who were his age. I mean, he died when he was 31. He was a very young man.

And their reaction was, okay, we're going to kill you for this. And then we're going to celebrate your murder. And then we're going to speculate about who we must kill next. So this is why this moment has a different feel to it. It feels like something completely broke in the possibility of this being resolved through political discourse. And arguably there was never a way to politically resolve the difference with the transgender movement or the pride movement. or even with the standard good old communists. There was never a way to peacefully resolve this.

What my understanding of what you're saying about Locke is, is that unless you have a shared theological foundation, you can't really resolve differences peacefully. Right. Because the value system that you're using to resolve disagreements is not the same. And therefore, you end up in an Israel-Palestine situation where you're completely talking past each other and you're demonizing each other endlessly. Yeah, it's existential friends and enemies at this point. And it's conflicting ways of life.

Exactly. And this is why the church was always so harsh. on heresy because it understood that if there wasn't a shared theological foundation, you're not going to have a single moral authority that allows us to resolve our differences peacefully. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you even before you drive.

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and everybody talks about the inquisition and all that, and in America gets very anti-Catholic. But the Catholics, I think, handled it very well because it was never about the secrets of your mind and heart. It was what you were willing to profess in the public square. It was the Puritans, and again, these were, you know, in a sense my people as a Presbyterian, but it was the Puritans who wanted to make it about,

take it all the way to the secret. of your heart and police to that level. And then that ultimately can't hold. What what what you have to have is a is is a commonality of the public square. Yes. And what goes on in a sense, I mean, think about the Torah in the in the in the in the old testament, the old covenant. You never have, you never have a record of of homosexual being stoned. Now, Do you think through the out of the history from Moses to the destruction of the temple that there was never a homosexual in Israel? No, I think that's ludicrous.

The issue was that that practice was driven so far underground, it was out of the public square. You're never going to be able to, Jesus speaks of this. And Paul speaks of this. The law doesn't change the heart. The law doesn't justify, but it does regulate public behavior. And that's what we're talking about here. And I think that this is why heresy, as a public-facing thing, the church in the Continental Church was so concerned about it because we have to have unanimity here.

That's why Calvin in Geneva was so concerned with Miguel Cervetus and allowed him to go. to the stake because the public square there has to be hey we're all playing by the same rules here exactly and uh that goes for socrates too sorry well yeah it absolutely does and that that's a whole not that that'd be a fun talk uh yeah but yeah absolutely and what we have with wokenness is fundamentally a um a christian heresy um What we have with the far left is very much a Christian heresy. We have homophobia, racism, slavery, ancestral guilt, replacing original sin. Yes.

We have glorified particular victims replacing our Lord Jesus Christ. Cancel culture is simply excommunication because you get canceled for blasphemy. you don't get cancelled for sinned. So if you're an oil company and you say that I'm pro-trans, then you're sort of forgiven even though you're sinning. That's the blood that covers. Yeah. You have an eschatology in the climate crisis,

very much so. And it's sort of patterned on Christianity. It's completely patterned on Christianity. Even transgenderism is a fundamental claim about the soul that, look, it's not my appearance that matters. There's an inner self. It's a sort of a perverted version of a soul. So that means that as they stick more closely to this heresy, even in the face of the reality of it having failed at every level, they will defend it with violence because it's a it's a quasi-religious belief system

these people must be seen not as debating partners but as fanatics and with fanatics you can't discuss it with them openly if they believe that they have a pathway to political power or if they believe that there is political power that they must guard And that's what they're telling us with the murder of Charlie Kirk and with the celebration of that murder. That's the message that they're sending to us. The classic scapegoat, too. It's definitely like a, you know, if we can, this one is out there, if it is a trans shooter now we're saying. But, you know, we can point to the shooting at the Catholic Church in Minneapolis to,

as this. Nashville. Yeah, Nashville. This trans ideology has basically taken on a religion of its own

and every religion has to have. If you're going to have a, to me, in the West, if you're going to have a legitimate religion, you have to have a scapegoat. And

scapegoating is it's their version, and killing someone like Charlie who's, who was so outspoken against, you know, basically what is mutilation and turning people into Unix. Mm-hmm. You know, if you believe you can put him down, if you believe you can sacrifice him, maybe it takes away some of your sins. Well, it's anti, it's so anti-human because it removes the ability to produce life.

Yes. And that's a, it's truly Antichrist. And what I mean by that is, I was just interacting with Dugan on my, I've got a piece coming out in American reformer about this. But, but so in the New Testament, this term Antichrist is only used by the Apostle John. And he says that anyone who denies that Jesus came in the flesh is Antichrist. and then he frames it a couple of other ways. But the point there is, is that one of the huge points of the new covenant is, and I don't want to turn this into a Bible study,

but I think it's hugely important here, again, the metaphysics of it. Old covenant, the Apostle Paul says the law was administrated by the angelic realm. He calls it the Stoicaea, this cool Greek term that means, elemental powers or elemental principles. And this angelic realm, sun, moon, and stars, that kind of thing. And one of the themes of the New Testament is, with Christ as the first fruits, mankind is taking over that role. That's kind of the point of the scene and revelation with the elders getting up from their 24 thrones and casting the crowns and then a new set sits down. those are men who now with with christ as a man rule uh over the over the earth awaiting for christ's return

and antichrist john is making the point is in denying that jesus came in the flesh it's denying the continue it's denying that mankind that humans are to have taken over the this this old covenant role, that in the new covenant, we have this new creation that's ruled by man, that we now set the calendar. We now decide who the rulers are. We now, and that hopefully is under Christ's tutelage and with wisdom and so on and so forth. But these all, these, this, this trans movement and these movements of the radical left really are antichrist because they are anti-incarnational. They are denying this wise incarnational rule and are perversion of it. And I think that is, I think it all gets back to theology for me. I'm a consistent Schmidian here. I believe that

political theology isn't prescriptive. It's descriptive of, of, of, every situation that we're all little, you know, theocrats in a sense. We all follow our understanding of who God is and how he's communicated with us. And for these and for these champions of this ideology, it's it's antichrist and demonic. And I don't mean that to in a cheap way of saying there's a demon under every rock and all this kind of thing. No, I mean this in a very serious intellectual way that you either believe, that in Christ, man has been set to wisely rule the world, or you believe that we're under this old pagan? Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th,

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The denial of the fact that we are in God's image allows the left to go to all of these extremes that it regularly goes to. Those extremes of perversity, the celebration of pride, transgenderism, and also equally political violence. the fact that these guys are first and foremost, I think Jordan Peterson got it absolutely right. They are angry at God for creation. That's absolutely right. Whatever else you want to say about Peterson, he got a lot of things absolutely right

in terms of understanding the left and the drivers of the left. And so because these people insist that essentially they are their own God, that they set morality, that they decide whether or not their men or women, that they could change their minds about this from one day to the other. Like within the whole trans thing, all of the they-thems insist that they are gray gender or novat gender or whatever it is, which I looked it up. unfortunately. And all it means is that their gender changes over time whenever they feel, they feel like it. So Nova in the sense of new. Is that kind of? Yeah, yeah, kind of. And so their understanding of it is that, look, I am the ruler of my own destiny and everything. And I decide

everything about myself, but I can't get myself to stop smoking weed or stop being violent or to be people lied for two seconds, but that's okay because I'm allowed. Voluntary slavery. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Voluntary slavery to sin. That's all there is to it. And I'm, they're telling us that they don't want to reason with us. They're telling us that they want, they don't want to discuss things with us. They're telling us that conversations with them are absolutely pointless.

and that they will resort to violence. The other day, a couple of years ago, I went to some protest against sort of drag queen story hour for children, which was the thing that was happening here as well. And this very nice Christian preacher comes up and he tries to say a few words. And you see these people with umbrellas and masks trying to make sure that he doesn't get a word in edgewise that nobody can hear it. And they just sort of

scream at him and stand in his face and go absolutely crazy. Well, okay, if this is what it is and you're willing to go further when you can get away with it, like that's the end of political life. That's when politics turns to

violence and yes, political power does come from the barrel of a gun in that sense. But you've decided that you're not willing to let the issue be debated. And you've decided that just because this classical liberal out debated you, you're going to murder him. And you've decided that you're going to celebrate it. Well, message received, I guess. I mean, I hope that the people within that coalition

who are slightly more mature, who are slightly more intelligent, I saw Chang actually, Cheng Oigur, however you pronounce his name, he took a pretty good position on this. He took a pretty good position on this in terms of condemning the murder, in terms of saying, absolutely not in terms of, and you could see that he wasn't just reciting the words. Like with Gavin Newsom and with Kamala and with Obama,

Now, you can see that these people just sort of reciting the magic words because they want to be perceived as responsible. But he took a pretty principal stance. Leftists, if you don't want us to conclude that the only response you're willing to, or the only dialogue you're willing to have is one involving violence, then you need to show a bit of humanity. You need to stop speaking in this mealy-mouthed way. when you instigate this, demonize people to get them killed, encourage the violence, you lead these people down the garden path up until the last moment, and then you say, no, no, it wasn't us. You've got to stop doing that, guys. Otherwise, the conclusions that we're

drawing will become conclusions that we have to act upon. And really the only guy who can make sure that this is handled peacefully strump he's got to go after these networks he's got to sort of there's no point in having bonjino and patel in the fbi if you're not going to get the fbi to go after them them and their financiers and all of these others others you've got to sue them for seditious conspiracy you've got to sort of riko them you you've got to move against the pritzkers the Bill Gates, Bloomberg, Buffett, these guys who are very busy financing these groups, they've got to feel afraid, afraid enough to stop. Because the next steps from this can't be taken within the confines of the American Constitution.

The next steps are going to involve, if this is how it plays out, if it plays out violently, you're going to have start to go back to Roman prescriptions where you say that this person's assets is forfeit and whoever sees him must do him harm that this is an enemy of the state sorry you've greeted yourself wrong Dodson you're muted sorry I was typing out I was typing out notes

and so I muted my so I didn't click on the pot no you're exactly right about prescription And that's why Caesar says, I'm going to end prescription because we're going to be all allied under the same, we're all going to be rowing the boat in the same direction. I'm going to make sure we're rowing the boat in the same direction. And therefore, we don't need prescription. That is, it's one of the keys of why we all need in our, in civics class, we need to be studying the move from Republic, you know, early Republic to late Republic to embalt, to

empire because people already went down this road, you know, and, and one of the reasons for it was they were importing a huge number, you know, a slave class in order to keep GDP up in a sense. I mean, part of this and fighting battles on the frontier. And anyway, I know you guys all know that, but it's, it's, it's, it just, I wanted to clap and applaud you for bringing this up because it's not some esoteric piece of history. It's hugely applicable to today. And as a response, this is one of the reasons Washington was such a huge fan of Cincinnati in kind of the middle, middle republic period, who, you know, in case some of your, I'm sure most of your watchers, listeners know, but to remind us,

Here's a guy who was twice called off his farm to help and was made dictator over the Republic in order to solve an existential crisis two times. And he went back to his farm each time. And Washington said, yeah, sometimes it takes that to fix things. Yep. But temporarily as a service to the to the Republic. and then, hey, I'm going back to the farm. You know, y'all call me if you need me.

And then things eventually got untenable. But absolutely fantastic point, Ferris. Just sort of to briefly build on that, they keep calling Trump a dictator when everything that he's doing is a continuation of a trend that started with Bush and Obama in the use of executive orders

to sort of impose the president's will. And when everything that he's doing in terms of controlling the administrative state is well within his rights, within the Constitution, what they're doing with their extremism is willing into being the nightmare Trump that exists so far only in their imagination. Or perhaps the nightmare success. to Trump, who exists only in their imagination. And they can't see that their shrillness and their extremism and their hostility and their violence

don't leave many other options. I mean, if you look at what somebody like Norm Eisen has been doing for the last 10 years, this guy is a specialist in color revolutions. And he was on record on time saying that, yeah, we prepared a color revolution in 2020 in case we didn't get the ballot counts to sort of reach the numbers that we wanted. And since then, he's been continuing on this massive campaign of lawfare to paralyze the president at every step through every possible method. And a lot of the judiciary has been compliant.

Now, fortunately, thanks to Mitch McConnell, the Supreme Court looks the way it does right now. But you can imagine that if it didn't, we would have no... The Americans would have no choice other than to take extra-constitutional measures and to shut down a bunch of judges and to arrest a bunch of judges in order to restore order. What they're willing into being is the nightmarish right-wing authoritarianism that only exists so far in their imagination.

And then you see their reactions to the murder of that Ukrainian refugee, Irina, I can never pronounce her last name, in North Carolina, the way that they hit the murder, the way that they tried their best not to cover it. The number of articles about her versus the number of articles about George Floyd or Trayvon Martin or whoever else of their fuggish martyrs. And you see the way in which they insist on refusing to have a reasonable conversation about crime and the way that they try to impose on the public

a life of fear I mean when you look at the footage of that murder you know the murderer De Carlos Brown he's just sitting there calmly there's nothing threatening about him she sits in front of him he pulls out a knife

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dunebiog kush farraga and they try after how many arrests 14 yeah 14 arrests and if you look at pictures of the whole chain of command of the judiciary there it's sort of all fat black women people who look like charles uh people who look like the the uh perpetrator yeah and uh And you know that this is deliberate. You know that this is sort of their version of racial justice. That because the whites got away with slavery for 150 years, we're going to pay them back. As if slavery was some kind of historic aberration, as if it wasn't happening in Africa. We're going to kill this Ukrainian.

It wasn't still happening in Africa. Right. And so you've reached that point with the left where. what they're trying to impose on society is so absolutely insane, but they're so committed to it. And then you have to ask yourself, well, okay, luckily in the United States, Trump won a second term, and he has a majority in both houses,

although Congress is completely sitting on their hands doing nothing, and he has a supportive Supreme Court. but just a couple of small changes in that would have meant that the United States would be already in civil war that the United States would already be so ungovernable as to require extra-constitutional measures emergency measures intended to put down these lunatics

and they're doing the same thing all over the West it's coordinated We see it here in Britain. What's happening here in terms of petty crime, especially petty crime by, or pretty severe crime as well, violent crime, rapes, by immigrants, not just by the Pakistani community, but also by the new boat arrivals.

The way that the demographics are changing so rapidly. And what is the reaction from the left? The reaction from the left, we have three, four left-wing parties here. The liberal Democrats, labor, Jeremy Corbyn's outfit, and the Greens. And all of them are following the same playbook, which is to go more extreme on economic communism, more extreme on cultural Marxism, and try to rally the Muslim vote to their side.

And that last part is genuinely treasonous. And they haven't learned anything from the Islamic Revolution in Iran. They've learned nothing from it. In the Islamic Revolution, there was this alliance between the Reds and the Blacks. The Reds being the Communists, the blacks being the turbaned clerics. And when Khomeini won, he just murdered all of the Reds, all of them. put them in jail hungable

but they refuse to learn and they refuse to show any kind of respect for or solidarity with their own people and that's a constantly repeated theme you see all of these congressmen senators etc

going crazy over this albergo whatever his name is he's a human trafficker and MS-13 gangster, a criminal, and you're going to visit him in El Salvador, and you're suing to make sure that he gets to come back to the United States? Like, why? They don't see this... Why, indeed. But that's the only objective way of describing it. You're siding with external enemies, you're siding with criminals who want to hurt your own people, and you're pretending to be

righteous about it here's a yeah here's something i said last night um there was i guess loren bobert yesterday in the house chambers tried to have a moment of silence and the democrats you could hear them protesting no no no we're not going to do this yeah and apparently um one of the new grifty kind of gop people was like you you're responsible for this and people were saying you know look at the way these Democrats are acting. And I'm not unconvinced that we're at the point where Spain was in 1936, where the politicians were just as scared as the people on the streets as, you know, probably Charlie Kirk should have been.

I mean, I don't think, you know, we talk about these, these shadowy figures, these, you know, the Izzans and the Soros. and you see Charlie Kirk get shot, and I mean, I think he was wearing body armor at the time. I don't know that that hasn't been confirmed, so they had to avoid the body armor. But these are people who like to go out in public. These are people who like to go to the finest restaurants.

These are the people who don't want to have secret service with them all the time. I'm not unconvinced that these people do not. You can't say out of one side of your mouth, these people aren't in charge, they're bought and paid for, and that at the other side of your mouth be like, oh, they're doing this because they're ideal, they're, I think it's just lost now. I think it's like the Cortez, you know, the remnants of the Cortez in 1936 where these are just politicians who are being, who are voting however which way they want because they know that there are anarchists and communists out there that will just kill them in the street as soon as

they walk out the door. Yeah, I think they should be afraid of their own side because in comparison to left-wing violence, right-wing violence is very rare, and it's not particularly well-targeted, it's not particularly intelligent. And I worry that it might become that, and I sincerely hope that it doesn't. I'm from Lebanon. I don't want you guys to go through a civil war. I really don't wish that for you. I hope it gets resolved within the law. But at the same, right. We don't want to go off script.

It gets weird. Well, you know, I don't think we'll have a civil war here again. I think basically more of what you'll have is it'll probably be like multiple locations around the country like Italy's years of lead. Yeah. Yeah. Which is sort of Northern Ireland situation, sort of Northern Ireland situation in the south. Yeah. Yeah.

So, Ferris, does, do you think the UK or the US leads in, where does the conflict happen first? Because France. You think? Quite possibly France, if they don't fix themselves. Look, here's how I would, because in France you have the same thing. You have the left allying with the Islamists just to keep, just to make sure that they make zero concessions on their extremism.

And you have a much bigger Muslim population in France. And you have Marseille, which is more or less a concrete city with a port. Yeah, it's Algiers, right? Yeah, exactly. And so where this is, basically, just to go back to the point about Congress, it was the same exact thing in the European Parliament. In the European Parliament, they tried to have a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk and the president of the European Parliament would have none of it. And if you think about it for a moment, the Christian thing to do for a man who was on his way to the gallows was to pray for him and to pray that this punishment would redeem him and shorten his time in purgatory if he was truly penitent for his crimes.

Whereas these guys aren't willing to have a moment of respect, let alone prayer for someone who was in a very real way one of their own or at least their parents in the 60s would have recognized as one of their own as a sort of classical liberal so you see the extent of extremism that is coming out of the left and I think we on the right we need to label this properly as fanaticism and extremism. I mean, when you're a communist allied with literal jihadis, you've lost your damn mind. You are so fanatical in your hatred for your own people that you would prefer a different religious tradition who will make you submit and be permanently humiliated

rather than actually side with your own very briefly. It's treasonous fanaticism, and that's what it should be understood as. This is what it should be understood as. And it's the same playbook. In Germany, they construct this Cordos Aniterre basically quarantined around the AFD, which is the right-wing party. that Musk has been championing, which is now the highest polling party. Yeah, upper 30%, right?

38, 39%, something like that. And it's led by a lesbian woman partnered with a Sri Lankan woman. And they call that Nazi. They call that fascism. Like, guys, do you understand the terms that you're using? This is about as liberal as it gets. Yeah, no, they don't understand. And all they're asking for is somewhat less migration and slightly better economic management.

They're not asking for anything radical. And that's why I keep going back to the point that they are willing into being the nightmares of their imagination, rather than mildly compromising with these people, as the Danes did to their credit. Like the Social Democrats in Denmark decided, you don't want migration anymore? Okay, fine, we're going to restrict it. The Swedes, now they have negative migration. They're slowly getting people out. But in the anglosphere and in France, the extent of extremism is so high

that they're not leaving political or legal options. And this is deliberate. And this is a conscious choice on their part. So I don't see, like, if they don't back down a little bit, if they don't throw us a bone here and there, here they call Nigel Farage far right. The chairman of the Reform Party is a Sri Lankan Muslim. That's the British Fire right, really? Like, honestly?

In what sense? Yeah, they don't know what... There's a couple of pretty interesting underground anonymous Internet magazines over there that are pretty interesting to read on all this. Yeah. But yeah, the UK thing is, I don't know as much about the French deal because I just don't have much faith in them fixing it. Once they, you know, I really liked what was his name, the Jewish? Zamour.

The Jewish. Eric Zamour. Yeah. Zamur, I thought. kind of was at least an opportunity to kind of thread a little bit of a needle and push the, but, you know, they weren't going to have that. No. But, but, you know, talking about extremism, you know, Gavin Newsom the other day when the,

when the shooting happened with the kids at Mass, you know, he, he mocked, he mocked them for the prey. Yeah. So we're at a, we're in a real untenable point here. And it does it again, I think I think you're exactly right. These they're they're doing a good job of creating their nightmare of instantiating what they what they fear because eventually this is it's got to lead to some kind of conflict. You know, and I don't know. It's a scary thought because as Eric Prince says, look, when things go off script, it's very, even if the outcome is what you think you want, it get the process, you know, there's so much collateral damage, you know, innocent people die. And so that's a, but if it doesn't get fixed in the interim, that's where we're headed.

You know, the UK is, I don't know if you had a chance to read. Christopher Caldwell had a really, really good piece in Claremont Review of Books about, golly, what's the title of it? Maybe we can put it in the show notes. But it's, you know, Caldwell's not a, you know, some kind of, callwell's a very, it's called Land's End. But he talks about what's going to happen in the? the UK. It's not like the populace is armed, but, but, but, but Starmor, you know, was the leader of this movement to reduce the voting age, which is insane, but he goes, he, he, he says that's going to backfire. Completely. Because, you know, so, and I love, that's my people, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm

English by heritage. My ancestors came over in the 1850s from Southampton. So I, I, if, if, for nothing other than just a romantic interest in my heritage, I want England to do, I love, you know, I honeymooned in London. I love England. I follow Arsenal. You know, go gunners. I want, I want England to be English. Yes. And, but I thought it was pretty funny. Caldwell says in that article, he says, you know,

somebody, somebody wrote, if Japan is so great, where it's Pakistani vape shops. And that's brunt. That kind of sums it all up. I have an episode coming out tonight with an American who's been living in Japan for 17 years. And he'll tell you where the, that these vape shops do exist. They may not be Pakistani, but I forget which ethnic group he talked about, how, you know, there is one neighborhood now right outside of Tokyo that people avoid. Yeah.

Yeah. Genoization. Who's been championing it for Japan, by the way? You wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. Well, because we cover that too. Okay. The Keynesian idea is that that it's really post-Kainzian, but is that that's the answer to every, every economic problem is you just, you create, you import your own demand, right?

To fix the issue. and it's so short-sighted. You know, I just read, I wasn't aware of this secret move in the UK to import all these Afghans who supposedly were helping in the, you know what I'm talking about, right? For us?

Yeah. And they kept to try to keep it secret, and now it's busted out. It's all over the kind of the anonymous internet in the UK. And, you know, And they kind of set the bar for crime, evidently, the imported Afghani population. There is most likely to be involved in rape.

They are natural gangsters, frankly. It's a completely uncivilized population, and it must be described as such. And it's reached a point really where, like, a visit to the playground has become a bit of a radicalizing experience for me. because you see all of these new faces that have just shown up in the last few months, a couple of years, etc. And they have zero conception of how to behave. Right. And it's getting worse at a pace that is just difficult to describe.

I go to a town every week where the Lotus Eater Studio is and sort of do my shows there. The cab rank outside the station, there's not a single Englishman in it. There's 40 cabs, 50 cabs, not a single Englishman. And their behavior is increasingly foreign in a way that is a brink. And you see young men loitering about everywhere, and they're not British, and they're being paid for by the taxpayer. And now they're being taken out of hotels. Some of them living in four-star hotels and complaining. And they're being put in residential properties as a way of dispersing them.

And that makes it even more of a national security threat. because if they are at least in somewhat managed locations, you can contain them. But if they're just dispersed among the population, you have zero ability to control them and to control their behavior. And so what they are creating here is something that is extremely unstable. And they're making the taxpayer foot to the bill

at a time when Britain, has a debt to GDP ratio of 100% and a budget deficit of 5% in peace time, in peace time, the number of illegal migrants that are being hosted by Britain at the taxpayer's expense is now larger than the army of the United Kingdom.

That is simply insane. And it's coming to a towards a perfect crisis. Because as you know, Ron, the guilt yields, the sort of yield on British long-term debt are at historic highs. Oh, this is a real problem. This is a real problem. This is a very real problem.

There is talk in mainstream media about the possibility of Britain needing the IMF again, but the IMF can't bail out Britain. There is not enough money in the IMF. And the French are in a worse position. They have 114% debt to GDP ratio. They have a 6% budget deficit. And the yields on their long-term debt are higher than those of Greece and Italy. So the market is saying that the French are managing their economy worse than the Greeks and the Italians,

which is in and of itself an achievement. and they're not backing down and they are not relenting. And you're seeing in Britain and in France rising waves of unrest. Yesterday Paris was burning. Nobody paid attention to it because of the Qatar strike the day before

and of the current murder. But France was burning. There were riots all over the place. And on the 18th of September, set to have major strikes and the gilles jeal jean the previous protest movement of i think 2019 2020 they have been sort of reincarnated as the blocoteuse block or tooth movement which translates to let's block everything and these guys are being an egg done by the far left this time the far left is joining the protest and is saying

yeah yeah let's go all the way they just lost another prime minister on monday that would make it macron's fifths or sixth prime minister uh parliament is hung they can't agree like he probably won't uh succeed in in getting confidence from parliament so they're heading towards a constitutional crisis um and things are accelerating at an insane pace and it's the same everywhere in the West with the left refusing to pause, relent, debate, discuss whether or not their ideas have really been to the benefit of their countries. And the reason for that, the reason they can't pause, as I explained it earlier, the various ideologies that they have,

but it's also because they see violence as the only way of retaining power and they're willing to use it. and they're willing to rely on the Islamist to stay in power. In the same way that the Democrats want to rely on the illegal migrant community, stay in power. And it's just literally treason. There's no other way of describing it. It's treason. So this kind of extremism, like one of the Western countries is going to be unable to resolve this in political,

in using political means. And it's an open question. Will it be France? Will it be Germany? Will it be Italy a little bit less probable in the next couple of years now? Will it be the United States? Will it be the United Kingdom? They're all candidates.

They're all candidates for this. And you end up in this... There's one line in Thucydides where he's talking about the series of civil wars that just break out everywhere and where any compromise becomes treason, and where nobody can find middle grounds and solutions, and so the answer everywhere is to massacre your enemies. Guys, if we're not careful, this is where we're going.

And again, I don't wish this on anyone. I was lucky not to grow up during the Lebanese Civil War, because my dad, like, he was going to get killed, so he left. But I was, you know, in a sense there, and I was visiting every year. And it was at home the issue. So this isn't where you want to end up. And unless the left relents, this is exactly where you're going to end up. And then the lucky countries are going to be the countries that get a kind of Franco.

or that get a Salazar. These are going to be the lucky ones. And the unlucky ones are going to be Balkanized, Lebanonized, call it whatever you want. Irishized, whatever it is. But this is the trajectory. This is the direction of travel. The track of history that led up to 1848,

when Marxist started writing, there's socialist, there's Marxist style writings everywhere. And you have the 8th. 1848 and basically 1848 is the start of we need to kill the kings that's what we have we have to get rid of the kings now go out into the streets of Baltimore and New York City and you know some of the worst neighborhoods or place in Europe some of the what have become ghettos and there are your fruits of killing your kings yeah but you know what 1848 was was it was something that had to start that had to happen that spread like wildfire in order for them to do that. Well,

you know, the way I look at it is, is that basically at this point, there's going to be an 1848 from the right. And what's going to happen is the first country that topples, I think there's a good chance it could be Australia. Australia may have a, may have an 1848 moment. But as soon as that first country, As soon as that first Anglo or classically European country, that first domino falls, you're going to see it spread like wildfire. And I mean, I just don't think that there is any argument against it. Now, I've been saying for a few years, the future is right-wing or a left-wing authoritarianism. The only matter is, which one do you want?

Pray you get the one you want and prepare for getting the same. the one you don't want. Yes. Because that's just the track that we're on. Very much so. Very much so. And if and if either France or Britain ends up with a financial crisis, well, what are you going to do? There's got there's got to be austerity. Okay. How are you going to justify imposing austerity on the taxpayers while still giving welfare to foreigners? How are you going to sell that? The only way to do it is to import more voters. And if you import more voters, well, then their response is going to be violence.

We're reaching a point where it's obvious to anybody who's sensible anywhere in Europe that you can't integrate Africans, you can't integrate Middle Easterners, you can't integrate Indians, you can't integrate Pakistanis, and especially not in these numbers. Especially not in these numbers. And if you insist on it, the answer is going to be the kind of indiscriminate violence. In Lebanon, people would get stopped and checkpoints

and they'd have to produce their identity card. And if it said the wrong religion, they'd get shot. Because everybody in Lebanon is ethically the same. But in Europe, you can visually tell who is European and who isn't. and then you get this race-based violence, which is what the left has been panicking about endlessly while also willing into being.

So this is getting very dark and heading towards outcomes that really nobody sane should wish for. And there are solutions to it. There are still, even now, this slate in the game, there are still solutions. You can say, well, I'm going to pay people to remigrate X amount of money, and I will reduce it over time to encourage more of them to leave sooner. And if they don't leave, I'm going to expropriate their assets and make them leave.

And then you get people voluntarily leaving in large numbers. Fair enough. This is a much better outcome than the alternative. But for the left, this is still unacceptable, and they're literally willing to ally with jihadis to stop it. What do you, does this, does this touch, does this issue touch China at all? Or is it just a weakness that China can exploit to increase their regional hegemony and their global influence? It's very much the latter. I mean, if you're China, you would be.

insane not to be funding the Green Movement. You'd be insane not to be funding BLM. You'd be insane not to fund the various minority race grifters, the global majority race grifters. Let's call on that. You'd be insane not to do these things. And then you've put yourself in this situation where because of Indian bad behavior and because of Trump's approach to India, the Indians and the Chinese are sort of trying to find a way to get along. As are the Russians. Well, because of the inability to just give up on this stupid war in Ukraine,

on this absolutely pointless war in Ukraine, you're pushing the Russians towards the Chinese. And now with the Israelis, literally on a rampage, on an uncontrolled rampage that no other president would have tolerated. Bombing Qatar, which happened two days ago, is a really big deal. It's a major non-NATO ally. It's designated as a major non-NATO ally. And it seems that the Trump administration sent some kind of peace offer, got the leadership of Hamas to gather

and then the Israelis used that with the Americans knowing about it, obviously, because Sandcom controls all of that airspace. Well, to bomb the Hamas negotiating team. Well, it was, it was

you know, we, how can I say this without I know, I'll just leave it at this. I know, Trump was personally very upset about the bombing and was informed very late. Look, I was very upset.

Well, that just tells me it's 2019, it's 2019 or 2020 all over again. And the generals are doing things behind us back. Exactly. I mean, yeah, I don't. There's a, yeah, I really can't. I really can't. I know. Don't say nothing, right. But, but, well, I will put it this way with, and we talked about this a little bit, I think, on our last confab.

But there's a real pickle because the answer, this is going to sound very crass. But there's a sense in which this ethnic nationalism that is, being practiced at a ridiculously extreme level is a, there's a sense in which Trump knows that there's that although not at this extreme, there is a pattern there that there's a pattern there that there's a nationalism that is a blueprint going forward that helps. that helps solve some of these issues. I think we'd all, the problem is, then how do you, how do you ride that bicycle and not fall over one way where, hey,

you're acting, you're acting, you're acting like the, your last century persecutors, guys, yet there's a sense in which where we don't want to completely counter signal a certain amount of nationalism. And I don't know that, you know, I'm a fan of the president, but I don't know if he completely has the intellectual tools, just because that's not his strength to divide that baby in half, so to speak. Do you know what I'm saying here? I understand. I understand. And I don't know how he, I don't know if he has the people around him to help him sort to divide that baby in half. I just don't, I don't know.

What I would nobody expects. Let me, I'll just say something at any of affairs. Nobody expects perfect governance. Anyone who expects perfect governance is, should just be dismissed. Please stop paying attention to politics. Right. We just expect governance in our own interests. In our own interest.

Exactly. And to build on that, sorry, Ron, just to build on that. Yeah. When a major non-NATO ally is bombed by Israel, while at the same time you have the Israelis saying that they're going to bomb Turkey next to get the Hamas officials who are in Turkey, you're basically doing several things at the same time. First, you are saying that Article 5 guarantees are going to,

to be worthless or going to be extremely selective because nobody's going to sort of defend Turkey against Israel that's just not going to happen. Which is when you see the Russian drone attack over Poland and Russian reconnaissance drones going over Poland testing NATO defense systems trying to probe, trying to see maybe we can sort of bomb some of the warehouses in Poland, bomb some of the training camps in Poland, things of that nature. I mean, it's a test, obviously. It's brinksmanship. This is what the Russians are doing. They're testing the reaction and they're figuring out what to do next. This is not a good outcome. Not now.

And you're pushing the Muslim world closer and closer to China. So you're doing the same stupid policy that Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, all did. which is to push Eurasia closer together under Chinese leadership and to feed the Chinese industrial machine with the resources of Eurasia and to give the Chinese a new Liebenzscheum. That's what's happening. That's the direct result of this policy

or the second order consequence of the decision to allow the Israelis to do this. And if Trump this late in the game, can't get the Pentagon under control, even with Hexeth there, it's a real problem. It's a very real problem and it should make us question whether or not Trump can get the far left under control in a way that averts domestic conflict in the United States. It's insane enough that the Americans have allowed the white population to shrink to just six 60% of the total, it's extreme enough.

When these kinds of demographic changes happen everywhere and anywhere, there's a war. Prosperity keeps that away sometimes. Yeah, especially when you couple it with a debt crisis, a debt overhang that we're seeing across the West. Those two things together historically always equal war. How can we go find resources or reclaim resources in order to make this problem go away? Exactly. Which is what makes the attack on the boat in Venezuela interesting, which is what makes the build-up around Venezuela interesting because this is a natural resource superpower.

It is. And so controlling that helps the United States to some extent. Well, and I'm a Monroe Doctrine guy. So, you know, if we're going to have silly, if we're going to have silly conflicts, can they at least be in our own hemisphere? Can we get the Chinese to quit overfishing our own hemisphere's waters? Exactly. Can we get, you know, can we get everybody kind of singing somewhat the same tune,

maybe not the same stanza, but at least in the same key in our own neighborhood, as opposed to driving the rest of the world again. To me, it seems like, I know I cut you off, but to me it seems like anti-colonialism in Africa disaster part two. That's what we're doing. Exactly. I couldn't agree more. You're absolutely right.

You're absolutely right. So something has got to give. something has got to give. Unfortunately, historically, it's, it comes to, is it going to be violence. I mean, I hate to say it. You know, people have been asking me, you know, what do I, because, you know, I've been talking about 1848, like a right word kind of 1848. And they're like, so how do you see that playing out?

And I'm like, well, here, probably brush fires. brush fires in certain places. Yeah. Europe? Like, England? I'm reminded of the title of a famous Enoch Powell speech. Yeah. Yeah.

Look, the one advantage that England has over everybody else is the nature of the English political system where one parliament can literally reverse every law that favors migration, that favors DEI, that gives citizenship to people who shouldn't have it, that does all of these catastrophic things. This is the huge advantage that Britain has. The constitutional structure of Britain has zero checks and balances. None. And if some court says that it doesn't, the next day you can legislate with whatever majority that you have that in fact it does now and you know you can do whatever you want that's the one thing that

britain has going for it its ability to change things in legal means if a single election is won by the right people is enormous it's genuinely enormous because there isn't a written constitution because Parliament is fully sovereign. The Crown and Parliament doctrine allows Parliament to do whatever it wants so long as it gets the royal assent. And if good King Charles won't give it, well, you know, he knows where that ends. So this is the advantage that Britain does have. If it decides to withdraw from every international treaty, if it decides that it's going to impose remigration, if it's going to impose a new bill of rights that excludes Islam from these rights, it can do that. It can absolutely do that. And this is a huge advantage. Whereas in a sense, the American constitution, because of the power of the states, means that somebody like Newsom can hold out indefinitely. And with an economy that size, it can become a real problem that therefore becomes an armed situation.

So there are these differences. And with the American Bill of Rights, you can't simply designate a domestic group as a terrorist organization. You have to go through the judiciary. and if you get the wrong jurisdiction or the wrong judge, you're in very deep trouble. So there are these advantages that make me more optimistic about Britain than I am about the rest of the West. But this is contingent on the right people winning an election

before 2035. Because by then, the amount of change in the country would have become so dramatic that the only answer is violence. Because the English aren't going to just be dispossessed and go gently into that good night. That's not in their character. And you're seeing people getting angrier and angrier, and the atmosphere here is really grim.

And the Kirk murder has really hardened people's positions. and it might even go as far as to convince a chunk of the right that look guys our own petty disagreements are irrelevant this is a battle for survival especially I don't know if you saw this the BBC had somebody literally laughing about Kirk's murder I saw it it was disgusting appalling I absolutely appalling And this is supposed to be neutral. Like the BBC's mandate is to be a neutral political channel. So we're just getting into a very extreme situation here, globally and domestically for the West.

And nobody is being sensible about it. I was very optimistic about Trump. He'll try to reconcile with Russia and the Ukraine war. solve these problems slowly. Instead, he's pushing not just Russia, but China, India, the Muslim world, all together. This is just reckless.

This is geopolitically suicidal. I was at NatCon last week, and it was amazing how there was one panel on of kind of a realist restraint

versus neocon position talk. And the neocon guy, I mean, as you would, I mean, it was just name calling. It's all it was. And the restraint, realist, kind of a Mearsheimer class, you know, approach was just like, do you understand what, you know, look, They are the mirror image of the leftists in the same way that the leftists want everything to burn. The neocons want everything to burn. In the same way that they can't back down over anything, the neocons also can't back down.

Well, I just don't get what the long-term vision is. Paul Wolfovich articulated it in 1992. Wolfowitz articulated it. Oh, yeah. And that little demon. Yeah. Exactly. His view was essentially there is no way we can tolerate another Cold War and therefore we must destroy our enemies completely. By the way, we should focus that on Russia. Yeah. How's Russia doing? What's the single beacon? Maybe not single, but what's one of the main beacons of still having some type of religious public life, of having.

And again, I'm no, I'm not going to, I'm not, I don't want to sit here and, and be a Putin apologist because he is a brutal man. But just look at, you know, Russia is generally safe, clean, employed, religious, and, and able to exist without the United States teat. they've proven that. They got cut off from Swift. They got cut off from US exports. And they're existing. I mean, regardless of all the, all the propaganda, you know, do I want to move to St. Petersburg,

although I hear it's beautiful. No. But, but they're doing, they are, they are not, they are not turning into the wasteland that everyone predicted. Ah, you know, and more sanctions, more sanctions. more sanctions. Okay, what have these sanctions done? They're not a Western nation. Russians are not Westerners.

They're never going to be Westerners. Yeah, sure, some Western trash ideologies have entered there, and Putin fights against it all the time, and you see the buses pull up and just arrest every protester and throw them in a bus, and I don't care what he does with them. I wish they would do that here. But they're not Westerners.

They're not, I mean, literally Russians are not like us. We grew up a completely different way. We were wired a completely different way. And trying to compare Russia to the West, I think, it's a fool's errand. There's no way that with their history and who they are, that they're going to be like us. They will always be different. Absolutely. Yeah.

And the whole idea there. The West, I would argue, sorry to interrupt you, but the biggest weakness of the West, especially Europe, is the extent to which it is Americanized. I mean, the idea that, I don't know, Britain or Germany are nations of immigrants, is absolutely absurd. It's just a complete historical fallacy. with absolutely no roots in reality. You see these propagandistic shows coming out showing black Vikings.

Are you out of your mind? Black Swedes. Black Swedes? Are you completely out of your mind? Right. So there's this attempt to remake Europe into America, which was always going to be insane because the whole premise of America was that it was the one place where Europe,

Europeans could go to escape European conflicts. It wasn't about importing Hindus and it wasn't about importing Africans and it wasn't about importing Chinese people. And everybody who was involved in slavery at the time of independence thought, well, when we free the slaves, we need to send them back. So there is this problem with Europe when it comes to America and there's the reality that Europe isn't sovereign. And that's a big part of the problem. They've subordinated their national interest to the American national interest. And it can't go on like this indefinitely.

For us, tell me about your experience as, you know, as Lebanese, seeing how, this is very interesting to me how the UK, the racial tension there seems to be far less black and white as it is with the other ethnicities. Is that reality or is that just seeing it from afar and not seeing the reality on the ground? Look, the, so for example, firstly, the black population here is maybe 33%, whereas in the States is 13%. And it's very concentrated in London, more so than other parts of the country. And in London, you get the same 1352 dynamic. London is about 13% black and 50-something% of violent crime, or at least knife crime.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we don't get that news over here. Because it's not reported. You have to go through the official data and find it. But nobody in the media will touch it. But the real... Because over here, you see the... You just see, you know, Bikayo Saka or somebody like that who's, you know, I think he's

Ebo and they're kind of outliers anyway. But you don't... And again, I'm not trying to be crass or anything. just always wondered what the different dynamic there is, but you're telling me it's not that different. In London, there is this issue, but the English pride themselves on never having had that experience that the Americans had with slavery. Fair enough.

The big tension is with the Pakistani community and with the Muslim community in general. Right. These are 6% of the population. 18 or 27% of the prison population. I think it's 15%. I think it's 18% of the prison population and growing rapidly. And growing very rapidly.

And the Indians that originally came here were uppercased Indians and they ended up integrating. The newer Indian arrivals are more of a problem. the Sikh community is generally well regarded. They don't cause a problem for anyone. Same here. Yeah.

Same here. But the... Not in Canada. Well, in Canada, they're involved with the Khalistan and terrorism stuff, and that's a different dynamic there. Yeah, and it's a numbers thing. And it's a number. And that's what this all gets down to is...

numbers. This gets, I call it the chef problem. It's, I have, I have my entree. And yeah, the chef uses spices to make it more interesting, to make the flavors pop. But once this becomes majority spice, it tastes like. Yeah, exactly. Mnure. Exactly.

You can't, the spice, there has got to be this cohesive dish that takes. that has a that has a flavor that is that is that is that is that that is that that that doesn't fight against itself yeah and once you once you become majority you know whatever pick your spice of choice it it you're not you know you know you no longer have the benefit of whatever that entree it doesn't taste like steak anymore or you know or chicken cordon blue or whatever your you know, whatever your thing you're eating. And that's, that sounds like a silly example, but it's, I don't think it is. I think we are, you know, each nation in a, in a liturgical sense

is to be a pleasing aroma to God. And how is it going to be that if you can't, anyway? If you can't distinguish it and if it's all covered by things. If you can't distinguish it. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly right. So the numbers here are really becoming a problem because in the last couple of years, I I think something like, it's an insane number, but something like 7% of the population of Britain has arrived in the last five years, which is just crazy. Britain took in some years more migrants than the United States. In absolute terms?

In absolute terms. Oh my gosh. You know, Enoch Powell was complaining about 5,000 a year. because he could see what that was going to roll into. And because the people who first came here, I mean, especially the Pakistanis, they were horrific. And as Powell said, the only word that they knew was racialist. And they were just go around accusing people of being racist towards them. And then they tried to sort of take over neighborhoods and kick people out of their neighborhoods.

Yeah, ghettoization. ghettoization and in those numbers it's impossible for there not to be ghettoization right so you got parts of london that are just 14 percent white british 14 percent white british that's all in some parts of london and that is just not sustainable no sane person thinks that this can work yeah i saw the picture of the banana uh of london that everybody yeah everybody with any sense lives within the banana. If you can afford it. Right.

It's become so obscenely unaffordable, especially with the communist policies of this government. I mean, remember, they had a bunch of lawsuits where because of the way the law is written, companies were being forced to pay front store retail workers the same as they were paying warehouse workers. which is a pittance in either case like wages here are much lower than they are in the united states but they've decided that all work is of equal value and that the market shouldn't set the price of

work and this ended up you'll see how that works out well let i'll tell you how it's worked out it led to a situation where birmingham went bankrupt and they haven't collected the trash in Birmingham in several months, maybe longer, maybe a year now, because the workers have been on strike. It's led to a situation where companies are facing bankruptcy because, you know, the extension of this logic is if you pay, because now they're trying to sort of equalize it more in terms of race. And so the consequences that if on average your black staff are getting paid less than your white staff or your Indian staff for that matter. Somebody could take you to court. The judgment found that there was no intentional discrimination, but that the companies were still

liable, even though there was no evidence that they were discriminating on purpose. And their reason for it was because the warehouse workers were 47% women, whereas the front of store workers were 72% women. And because they were getting less than the warehouse workers, they had to pay massive amounts of compensation. And so if you're an employer, why the hell would you hire anyone? Why would you consider hiring anyone? And if you don't hire enough people from minority backgrounds, you can still be sued for discrimination because you're choosing based on race. So the way that the legal system is operating here is absolutely mad. Absolutely mad.

And if you were to reverse what we call the Boris wave, the huge inflow of migrants that have come in in the last few years because of Boris Johnson, I think housing prices would crash. But if housing prices crashed, that can take down a big chunk of the banking sector with it. So they're stuck in this doom loop where every aspect of the economy has a gun to every other aspects of the economy's head. And once someone pulls the trigger, everybody dies and the whole economy comes crashing down. Yeah, it's a house of cards. It's a house of cards.

And that's why I think there's going to be a massive devaluation of the British pound. And then you're going to have to impose austerity. And then again, the question becomes, how are you going to justify austerity when you're giving welfare to foreigners? Why should the taxpayers pay for it? They're going to revolt. So, like, the hour is late and there needs to be very dramatic, very quick change. And it's possible within the constitutional British system, within the British constitutional system. But nobody seems to be thinking about this. the reform the supposed opposition party who are going to probably form the next cabinet,

it's a bit of a clown show. They're not serious. They're just not serious about policy. And they're not serious about what needs to be done. Nigel Farage is saying, well, we don't want to confront Islam. But Islam wants to confront you, brother, whether you like it or not. Yeah, I may not care about politics, but politics cares about you. Exactly. Exactly. So this divorce from reality, this insistence on the left that, you know,

nothing is happening, it's all fine, it's all good, we're going to sort it out in the end. This tinkering at the margins is just disastrous. Now we have a Muslim as the home secretary. And she's Pakistani. She's like fully Pakistani. She speaks fluent with her. She says that her entire your worldview is based on Islam, everything that she does is for Islam. And she's in charge of the Home Office? Like, that's insane. We just had a Ghanaian as Foreign Secretary. He happened to be such a complete and comprehensive moron that when the BBC a few years ago

asked, do you expect black smoke or white smoke coming out of the Vatican, he thought it was a racial slur. He didn't even know. He had previously been Minister of Culture. So the talent pool is atrocious. And the people in charge, he was asked on some kind of quiz show, who succeeded Henry the 8th? Do you know what he said?

Henry the 7th. Oh, no. Like, you didn't know what succeeded me. I mean, it's no different than here. I mean, these people, are morons. You politicians, the average politician in this country cannot go on a podcast and have a conversation about politics. Yeah. Because, you know, they run into someone like me or my friends, we're going to just absolutely annihilate them. Yeah. Yeah. They're just, they don't,

they have a set of talking points and they can stick to those. And then the press is same way. Notice press. The journalists are old ones do. They will not do a podcast or an interview unless they're being interviewed by somebody who is a fellow member of the baptized press. Quite. Yes. Because that person is just equally as stupid as they are and they can just sit there and talk about nothing for an hour. Yeah, it's all talking points, boilerplate, applause, lines. There's no there's no ability to synthesize on the fly. No. No. I see the same thing. I mean, I, uh, anyway, guys, I'm going to have to wrap up here in the next five, ten minutes. Yeah, let's, let's start wrapping up here. So, um, I'll give each of you, um, you know, a chance to have a couple minutes to end with and, um, and give your thoughts about whatever is, you know, what's happening in the zeitgeist, whatever.

Well, I think for me, I'm concerned all of these things historically lead to some type of bloodshed, some type of conflict. I think the great temptation for all these Western governments is to keep the party going, whatever it takes. you know, can I get another bump? And eventually you stay on the juice long enough and it turns you suicidal and homicidal. And I think that works in civilizations every bit as much as it works in individuals. That you stay on the stimulant long enough and it turns you, you forget metaphysics, you forget what brought you here, you forget the meaning and you forget love of people and you just become homicidal, self-destructive neilist.

And you don't really care who you take down in the process. And I'm just looking both from an investing standpoint and from doing these things in writing standpoint, what is, where does it spark? Where does the spark of the true conflagration begin? in and I don't have the answer to that. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

I pray that the left can see sense and moderate a little bit. Because they are... They moderated yesterday. Yesterday was their moderation. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of. That's what I'm afraid of.

If they don't relent, if they don't touch grass, if they don't begin to see a reality, they are going to will into being nightmares upon nightmares. And I'd also say that the United States government as the leader of the West has a particular responsibility here. Leadership comes with a responsibility. It needs to do something to keep everybody from rallying to China, it needs to do something to just normalize some relations with some countries. Even, you know, I'm not a fan of free trade. I'm not a fan of immigration. There has to be balancing there. There has to be a return to national identity.

This can be done peacefully. And it's on the United States to show an example. as to how this can be done because it's the leader of the West. And if these two things don't happen, if we don't see some moderation from the left, if we don't see better leadership from the United States, we are heading for some very dark times. And I sincerely pray that I'm wrong and I pray for peace. but as an analyst, this isn't where things are going. All right, let's leave it there.

Farris, tell everybody where they can find your work. Sure. I'm on modadgeopolitics.com and I'm on love thy enemy.net. Check out both of them. And you can find me on Twitter on Modad, GEOP. So, you know, I hope to see you there. Ron? Yeah, follow Ferris on Twitter.

He's a good follow. He's very, very good and very, he'll give you a good kind of way to center your thoughts. I refer to his feed often during the day. You can find me at Claremont's The American Mind. I write there. I write for the American Reformer. site. I write at Ron Dodson, the eyes of a pillies. That's my substack. I write there. I've started being more writing a little more often there. And then on Twitter and on a podcast near you,

because guys like Pete are so gracious to have me. And I really appreciate this. This was a profitable talk. I love both you guys. You guys are not just small. but you care about civilization and humanity and I love that about you both. I need to get you both on the Lotus Eaters soon. I need to invite you both on my Lotus Eaters show soon. I would love that. I love Carl. Carl is amazing.

Carl's amazing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. In a heartbeat. All right, gentlemen. Have a great day. Thank you very much. Bye-bye.