The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1269: 'Critique' as a Civilizational Destroying Weapon w/ Dr. Kevin MacDonald

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

45 MinutesPG-13Dr. Kevin MacDonald is an American psychologist. He is a retired professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSULB), best known for his controversial application of evolutionary psychology to characterize Jewish behavior as a "group evolutionary strategy."Dr. MacDonald joined Peter to talk about the release of the 3rd edition of his classic work, "The Culture of Critique" by Antelope Hill Publishing.The Culture of Critique by Dr. Kevin MacDonald, 3rd Edition - promo code peteq for 5% offPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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The Pekignana Show.com. Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekignano show. I am here with Dr. Kevin McDonald. How are you doing, Dr. McDonald? She's fine. I'd be here. Great. So the reason you're here is because Antelope Hill has done a third printing, a third edition of your classic, the culture of critique.

But before we get into that, we start talking about that, let's, why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? And specifically, talk about what is an. evolutionary psychologist. Yeah, I'm a retired professor of psychology at California State University in Long Beach, and evolutionary psychology is an attempt to understand the human mind, I guess, human social behavior, psychology, in terms of evolutionary history. And so there's a tendency to think of a lot of things that humans do as a result of our revolution. You know, evolutionary psychologists talk about modules. So, you know, humans are wired to be attracted to the opposite sex in general.

And that sort of thing. And, you know, there were a tendency to form coalitions and groups. And so we explore that and talk about aggression and other things and how it's modulated various ways. My own work, a evolutionary psychologist, I studied child development and applied evolutionary psychology to that. And personality psychology. My view is that personality is based on five basic systems, and they are evolved systems.

There are sex differences, and some of them are very important. And can be understood in terms of evolutionary psychology. Women tend to be more fearful, more conservative in a lot of things. Men are more aggressive and assertive and, you know, that they want to be dominant in social situations much more than women in general. But that's the sort of thing I did. I wrote a lot of papers on that and on intelligence. And intelligence as an evolved system that enables us to be very flexible.

We're not rigid like animals tend to be, where they have sort of programmed responses to the environment. We can mix things up and create new strategies, react to the present situation, and figure out costs and benefits, what will happen in the future and that sort of thing. So that's very advanced cognitively, and that's why what makes us human. and it makes it so interesting and important why we dominate the planet. And sadly, for the animals, you know, we're exterminating them rapidly. Well, we're here to talk about the book of the culture critique, and the title of that book

refers to the Jewish people. How did you, what even gave you the impetus for to start studying them? What was the, what was the spark? Yeah, well, the spark was that it was like a dogma in evolutionary psychology that humans were all self-interested and that the idea of groups being a sort of unit of natural selection, something evolution worked on, was a non-starter because people, humans are always going to be maximum interest and so on. I didn't think it was right. And I wrote a book in 1988, social and personality development.

The last chapter was on the Spartans in Greece. And Spartans were a very important group historically. He probably saved the West from the Persians a long time ago. And the idea was that the Spartans were a group strategy. They had ways to socialize their children to be warriors. Essentially, all men would become soldiers. the women would basically become wives of soldiers and have to deal with the fact that they would die, they would bear children and that sort of thing.

But it was extremely militaristic society from day one. They were socialized. They were taken away from the parents and put in these special training facilities. And so they became a very effective fighting force. It's incredible group cohesion. And what that means is a group cohesion is self-interest was muted. You can control individual self-interest. And that's what the Spartans did.

And then after I wrote that book, I said, well, where can I go from here? It was still very extremely controversial. I mean, this was at the absolute origins of talking about what became to be known or was known as group selection. that groups could be a unit of selection, a group that's more, is better put together, has a better culture and able to compete in the world and in an attractive way, they're going to do well. And it means all the genes of those people in the group are going to do better.

It doesn't matter, you know, these are not the only two groups, of course, that have competed over history. It's just that Jews, I thought, were very interesting. and I didn't know much about them at the time. I didn't have any preconceived notions, really, except I was concerned, frankly, about the Israel lobbying, even back in the 1980s. And it bothered me even then Jimmy Carter when he went to New York.

He started immediately going on how wonderful Israel was. He changed his mind later. But that was the origins of it. And then I just decided to elaborate on it. in my books on Judaism. The first book was called The People that Talked Ball Alone is basically the theory of a group evolutionary strategy of groups can ensure cohesion. So you can mute self-interest in these groups.

Where Jewish groups did. They would levy taxes on Jews, and if you didn't pay, you'd be expelled. They would prevent Jews from marrying other people. non-Jews, and in general they acted to further the interests of the group. So the whole Jewish morality is what's good for the group, what's good for the Jews. And that's like a cliche, isn't it? And it's true. It's very true.

And even now, you look at the Gaza thing, and most Jews still in this country, despite the slaughtered, often, I think correctly called a genocide, they are going to side with Israel because that's good for Israel. And they see that as good for Israel. And that's all that really matters. And anything, if you complain about that, you're any Semite, and we see it increasingly that there is no free speech on Jewish issues. There were students who have protested on Palestine, have been rounded up a far cry from what happened to the Black Lives Matter protesters.

They were greeted in the left. They were lionized in the media, and they didn't suffer any legal consequences as well. With this, on the other hand, students are being expelled. If they're foreign students, they are being deported, and students who get, you know, run afoul of the Israeli lobby are having very serious consequences. And so Jews do not believe in free speech. And that's another thing I emphasize. Jews don't have principles. They have interests.

So you might see, especially American conservatives, are going to have principles. That is, things that they believe in, and they would, you know, oftentimes to the point that they don't believe in their own self-interest. I mean, they want to, they believe in free speech, even though it's going to, you know, influence them now. influence them negatively in some way. Jews don't think that way.

Jews saying, is it good for the Jews? And so right now, I mean, back in the 1950s, Jewish groups were all in favor of civil liberties, free speech, because communists, many of whom were Jewish, were being brought up in congressional committees, and they were going over their communist connections. And, you know, so the Jewish groups were all in favor of free speech. And, you know, And you had a whole literature on that in the 1950s. And I discussed that in a couple of places. But, you know, that disappeared now because Jews are in the driver's seat.

And so they instead want people to shut up about Jews. And don't talk about Gaza. Don't be negative. Don't be pro-Palestinian in this struggle over there. and that they will shut people down. So the ADL is pioneered trying to scrub the internet of anything they don't like. They have pioneered so-called hate speech laws that would inhibit people from saying bad things about the Holocaust or this, that and the other thing. We have the First Amendment here, but in Europe, that's not the case.

And they have really clamped on free speech over there. and you know to the point where you know if you offend somebody you hurt somebody's feelings the police are likely to pay you a visit in the ukpah i just saw a story about one of those today so you know it's a very different world out there and the jews are activists organizations like the adela doing all they can to circumvent the first amendment and uh jewish supreme court just like elena kagan have talked about how to get around it And so they always emphasize, you know, pre-speech ends where someone is threatened or injured or something like that. And you don't want to support violence, but at the same time, they have a very thin skin and will call just about anything hate that they don't like.

So that's, you know, how I got into it. The more I read, the second book was called Separation Discontensis on Anasemitism over history. And basically by the point there, it was all the major outbreaks of Anni Semitism. I wasn't talking about, you know, people being unhappy about something. Talking about the riots, the pogroms, the expulsions, over and over again in European history. Ready for huge savings? Well, mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands

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including a chapter on national socialism, and I'm talking about national socialism as a sort of an opposed, mirror image, group strategy against the Jews, that they were fundamentally concern about competing with Jews and, like the Jews, they didn't have any qualms about, you know, basically,

you know, they didn't have a lot of moral scruples when it came to the Jews in the same way that Jews have not had moral scruples when it comes to dealing with non-Jews. You know, if you look at Jewish ethics, it's really about Jewish interests and non-Jews have no moral value. I mean, they can be treated any way that advances your interest as a Jew. And there's, you see, if you go to your book, and read the entry on Jewish ethics, it's like fantasy land. It has nothing to do with Jewish ethics throughout history.

It means Jews were the great slave traders and everything else. So there's just a lot of, you know, mythology going on there. So that was the second book. The third book focuses in the 20th Center. That's the culture of critique and now in the third edition. And that focuses on Jewish influence in the West in the 20th century. century. The subtitle is an abolition analysis of Jewish involvement in intellectual and political movements in the 20th century. And so it's focused narrowly on this century, last century now.

And so I talk about various influential movements. And I talk about the boise in anthropology. And basically the idea is to show that these, the central figures there had strong Jewish identity that they interact with other Jews. They formed these cohesive groups that were able to have strong influence. In their case, they dominated the American Anthropological Association from about 1925. And they eradicated the idea of race, which was very common at the time. And then I talked about Jews in the left, you know, very long history of Jewish involvement with the left. a lot of emphasis on what happened in the Soviet Union.

There were decades of the Soviet Union, the slaughters, the mass murders, Jewish involvement and all that. And the Jewish identity of these people. It's not like common things that you hear from Jewish apologists. Well, they weren't really Jews. They were communist. Well, they were also Jews. And you can show that they had a strong Jewish identity.

And they cooperated as Jews. And really, you know, we're pursuing Jews. Jewish interests because there was this long hatred. And that's the thing about the Jews. They have a grudge on their shoulder. I talked about the pogroms and the long history of Jews in Europe. Well, from their point of view, Jews have been innocent victims the whole time. They're in order anything wrong to anybody. And it's all irrational and crazy on the part of non-Jews.

So I talk about that. I talk about things like, like, Actually, I added a chapter on neoconservatism to the new edition because in 1998, when I wrote the first issue, the first instantiation in this first edition, I didn't talk about neocons. I didn't think it were very important. I mean, I had a little footnote in chapter on Jews in the left because they're sure over and outgrow of the Jews in the left. But then in the Bush administration, they really came to the floor. Suddenly, I realized, and a lot of people realized, that we were going to war for Israel. And there's a very strong Jewish lobbying this country.

So I have a chapter now on the conservatives, talk about their history, talk about their Jewish identities, and talk about their influence. They're still extremely influential. You know, Mike Johnson right now, the speaker of the house, he's talking about Republicans can't be isolationists and what that means. means, as cold word is we have to keep intervening and, you know, promote American power and conformity with Jewish interests. So I have a chapter on psychoanalysis. I have a chapter on the Frankfurt School. I have a chapter on the New York intellectuals. And importantly, I have a chapter on immigration, which has been, all this stuff has been updated. This new edition is 40% longer than the second edition.

And that's longer than the first edition because I added like an 80-page preface. This time I got a, the preface is over 100 pages and a lot of new stuff in there. So it's really a new book and very, you know, it's a long book. It's over 700 pages. I apologize for that. But anyway, that's what it is. in that I talk about Jewish involvement. As I say, perhaps the most important chapters,

Jewish involvement in immigration policy, because in every society that Jews in Benin, within the West, and really ever were, they have advocated immigration. Jews realized after World War II, they could not allow a homogeneous white society, and they took upon themselves to promote immigration. And it took them a long time. They were repeated in 1924, and then we had 40 years of very low immigration.

But then in 1965, the gates were opened, and here we are, where whites are slated to become a minority in this country and throughout the West, you know, in Germany and England, Scandinavia, everywhere. So very important, very influential group. And that's the thing. I mean, I talk about Jewish power. In the new edition, I talk about background traits that facilitate this, that make Jews influential, you know, the intelligence, the wealth. A lot of Jewish influence comes down to wealth because they fund these NGOs. They fund political candidates.

And if you're a political politician and you go against Israel, you will find your opponents in the next election. you'll probably be primary and in any case your opponent will have a huge amount of money and will have good media coverage and all that. So I talk about Jews in the media

in the new preface. That's an update from the, from 2002 edition. But yeah, Jews are still very much involved in the media. I go into that. I go to Jews in the university and all these things. You catch them in the corner of your eye,

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That book is just you read it and you think that you're just reading the rancings of a madman. And you never hate. Well, you get to. to the end of it and you realize the reason he wrote this greed is because of the 1924 Immigration Act. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

And that's it. And then you have to ask yourself, it's like, okay, sure, there are Catholic charities you can talk about. There are Lutheran charities you can talk about. But when it comes down to it, when you look at places like, like, there's a town in Pennsylvania, Charleret. I can't remember what it is there, where all these Haitians just showed up. And it's Jewish family services that are coming in to bring the money and to find them housing.

And then you find that all over the place. And then when you realize that and you go, okay, well, you know, Catholic Charities is over here. Look at the names of some of the people on the Catholic Charities board. They don't, I'm Catholic. I haven't seen these names in church ever. And then you look at you look all over the place and you're like, well, Okay, well, this makes sense. I mean, they truly believe that you can, if you have a multi-racial society,

multicultural society, and that everybody is fighting with everyone else, this small group can organize well enough, and they're funded internationally with unbelievable amounts of money, and they can run the show in everything, in everything that's important. That's sadly the case, yes. As I say, money is very important for them. And they fund the pro-immigration movement now. And they, I didn't realize that about Catholic charities, actually.

But there's also the Hebrew Immigranate Society. I mean, and they're very much involved. But I know all these. NGOs have been financed also by the federal government and they got to cut that completely out because, you know, basically the federal government has been putting the left for a long time.

But Jewish activism is very important for trying to understand what is going on in America and the West. You can't understand much of anything without that. it's a real phenomenal well let's talk about critique so it seems that you know i'm going through on the show i'm on episode 72 of just going over alexander solzheny since 200 years together yeah and when you look at the history of these people everywhere they go they seek to change they seek to change the culture, change how things are done.

Beyond the survival mechanism, you know, that seems like somebody who's, you know, reasonably intelligent can be like, oh, this is a survival mechanism. Beyond that, what else is there? Why do they have to go into a culture that has existed for a thousand years and destroy it beyond, oh, we need to change it so we can survive? Yeah, well, they believe that, you know, again, they have a huge crudge on their shoulder. From their point of view, Western history is nothing but persecution. Middle Ages, you had expulsions.

You had the Catholic Church began in the fourth century with a lot of very vehement anti-Semites like St. John Chrysaston, who still has a chapel in the Vatican. And so it goes back a lot. long, long ways and Jews became more and more powerful in the West, especially after World War II. They were influential before that, certainly. There were a lot of Jews in Roosevelt's candidate, in Wilson's cabinet, but it really wasn't until after World War II that any Semitism basically disappeared. And then in 1930s, you had Henry Ford, and you had Father Charles Coughlin, And people like that.

So, an Asimitism was mainstream, you might say. But after World War II, it was not. And Jews ascended the heights of American society. You know, they're not stupid. They're intelligent. And they headed for the most elite institutions, Harvard, the Ivy League institutions, Wall Street, the media, which had already been substantially,

Jewish control for a long time. I mean, even in the 1930s, the broadcast networks like CBS, NBC, were owned by Jews, Hollywood Studios were all owned by Jews going back to the early 1920s, even before that. And so it was a gradual process. And then a big watershed event was in 1960s. I was in college in the 1960s. And it was just a to me that Jews were leading all the protests, that Jews were deeply involved in the anti-war protests of the period, and they were on the left, and I knew many of them, because I had Jewish roommates in the whole nine yards, and they're very proud of being Jews, thought of themselves as superior to non-Jews, thought of non-Jews as sexually uptight and repressed, and very sort

of psychoanility point of view, very common in those days. and but in 1960s you had this huge countercultural revolution and nothing was the same after that you know

I grew up in the 1950s and expected you're going to get married you're going to have an engagement and you're going to hold off on sex

until after marriage and all that that completely went out and people started living together and everything at that point and

the old sexual mores, and the left really made an ascendance in the culture as a whole. And that was the real, really the rise of Jews in the culture. And we're still living in that era. Jews have not really lessened in their power. If anything, they've increased their power. And here we are. Once again, I mean, this has happened before in history.

where Jews have become dominant. And, you know, sometimes, a lot of times, they end up getting, you know, there's a movement against that. And it's sometimes quite successful. And Jews understand that. But they don't ever stop being Jews and never ask themselves, what did we do to foment this?

And they never asked that. And they're not going to ask that. I mean, it really is part of Jewish identities. I talk about Jewish background traits. It's not just intelligence, things like aggressiveness. And you can see, you know, what's going on in Israel now? Where the ethno-nationalist, religious right is in charge, and they're extremely aggressive. And, you know, a lot of them would want to kill every last Palestinian.

not only in Gaza, but on the West Bank. And they're in the process of doing that pretty much. So it's just really a tough group. You think how aggressive they are, how, you know, since shameless they are. I mean, Jews never express regret for much of anything. Or apologetics about, you know, it's one rationale after another.

And it's just a tough nut to crack. They're a very powerful, competent opponent if you believe your interests are not aligned with theirs. And that's what I believe. I mean, my view is that our interests are not the same as theirs at all. But radically against our interests to become a minority throughout the West. Disaster. You think about what happened in the Soviet Union in 1920s. they slaughtered native Russians.

They slaughtered the middle class. They slaughtered the aristocracy. And that's the kind of thing. They don't have any moral compunctions about that. They will say, we're doing it for the good of the society. We're doing it for some kind of abstract moral code that they have. But that's what it is. So there are people out there that when you bring up the concept of Jewish supremacy, they like to mock you.

Say, this doesn't exist. What are you talking about? This isn't a thing. In your research, is there Jewish supremacy? I'm not saying, you know, as my friend, Dr. Johnson likes to say, you know, we're not talking about your dentist down the street. Maybe your dentist down the street is, you know, this, you know, a totem of. exactly what we're talking about but does jewish supremacy exist do they think they're better than us they definitely do and there is jewish supremacy uh you know i do have a wrinkle on that i i say that

i write in the last chapter the new edition i say that um we could have a new lead in this country non-jewish elite because what really jews needed to become the this is the this dominant Jewish supremacist force is money and needed media access. Well, we have the money. Elon Musk has enough money to run a presidential campaign and contribute $300 million to Donald Trump. He can do that again and more so. And for something like, Musk, a billion dollars is no problem. And he can do that.

And I think he would do that. He's politically involved now. And he's, you know, made some tweets and said some things that are very, so you're sort of on page with white identity and white interest. But besides money, you know, a big source of Jewish power has been media. And now that you can just see the mainstream media is tanking, is not as influential as it was. They have podcasts like your podcast and others.

you have people listening to Tucker Carlson and Canis Owens and other people who are not really on page with things that the Israel lobby wants. And even something like Charlie Kirk was heading the right direction. He was not taking, he stopped taking money from Jewish donors. He rejected Netanyahu's money. He didn't want to go to Israel again. And I think they were understanding. that Israel is just a rogue state. They've just been accused of genocide by the UN, very credible.

And so, yeah, they are very powerful. But we can take back the country. We have enough money. And the media is not what it used to be. MSNBC is defunct. And even conservative media, and, you know, that is not conservative. not right wing enough, shall we say. And we have to have media, and we do have media. That is supposed to talk about white interests, white identity, talk about Jewish power,

Jewish influence, and that sort of thing. So, you know, it's definitely changing. And right now I'm autographing books for James Edwards. You know, he's had me on a show quite a few Times, political cesspool, very good show. And, you know, this is the way it is now. Young people, especially don't, don't read the New York Times. They don't read the Wall Street Journal and even Fox News. You know, they, they want to hear podcasts, Joe Rogan. And he's, you know, Joe Rogan is not on page with me or anybody like me, but he, you know, he's definitely, not the kind of guy that the mainstream media wants to see idolize. Anyway, you can see the reaction to Charlie Kirk in mainstream media.

It's, you know, a lot of people have actually been fired because they have, you know, going off on Charlie Kirk. And, you know, in a way while you're opposing free speech. But again, we have to get beyond principles to. interests ourselves. I mean, emulate the Jews. It means it's in our interest to at times curtail free speech and to shut it down and to put people in prison and that sort of thing who are just really owes our interest. And that's, you know, no Jew would hesitate to do that. And that's, that's the supremacy. That's the supremacy.

right that's the supremacy angle so if jews are if jews are in charge of something and you pointed out you're going to have people who aren't even jews mocking you because oh you're just blaming your problems and your failures in life on them and i'm sure i'm sure you're a phddd and i'm sure you've heard that yeah it's like what what is there to envy okay so they have power they they can punish anyone who comes up against them. They never, they never admit that they're wrong about anything. Never,

when it comes to, and, and they will, I mean, like something like October 7th. How many times in history has a band of people and let's not even say that they've been,

they've been, you know, kept in a cage for 60 years or 70 years. they have some kind of animosity. Just a foreign power or a foreign group comes over the border and kills people and attacks and attacks. This is history. This is what's happened in history. Okay. Why is this special? Why do I have to feel like, oh, my God, this is the worst thing that's ever happened. Oh, and this is how you can go and just how you can make excuses for killing civilians. If that isn't Jewish supremacy, feeling like you're better than everyone else,

anyone who doesn't believe that is, is morally and intellectually lost. Yeah, what other country could get away with something like this? Killing 60,000,000 people at least. And, you know, shooting at people who are trying to get food and all that. And it's just, it is an amazing. display of Jewish power, Jewish arrogance, and Jewish ability to get away with it. I mean, and the Trump administration has done nothing, really. We'll see. But, you know, he keeps seeing reports that he having difficulties with Netanyahu, but at the same time, nothing really happens.

And I am very concerned that he's just going to keep up that way. Well, he has like, so when you have governors who are passing anti-Semitism laws, or not only passing anti-Semitism laws, but they're flying to Israel to sign them. Yeah. And then, and then their, the attorney general of that state and people who were basically groomed in that state get hired into the Trump administration. And we already know that Trump has, Israel probably has something on Trump somewhere, but you have all these competing forces, even within Judaism, going at each other.

It's like, whichever way it goes, win or lose, they've set up the system that Jews come out on the right side, whether it be left wing or right wing, and they can switch. And what we saw after people started to realize the problem with immigration in this country, that Jews will just jump from right to left, willy-nilly. Yeah, they will. Yeah, that's the thing about Jews. They're very flexible. They don't have principles.

This is their interests. And so they will quickly turn on a dime. And, you know, still, I mean, Jewish organizations are still, by and large, the mainstream Jewish community is still very pro-immigration. and you got an outlier like Stephen Miller. They hitched him. They threw him out of a synagogue. And so, yeah, this is,

Jews are just, they will maintain this animosity toward the white America. It goes way back. It's not even white America. It's entire West. going back to the beginnings of the Western civilization. Yeah, when you mention how they've been in certain countries, historically European countries, and they've been told to leave or been kicked out, people will say things like, well, you know, this dictator or this emperor or this mayor of a town invited them in

because he heard that Jews could help them make money. And then all of a sudden, they started not only because of what they do, they start lending money to the normal people. And like, you know, in Russia, the peasants were backwards. Really, the only thing the peasants really knew how to do was till the soil. They were excellent at tilling the soil, but they weren't worldly people. They weren't people like who had been, who have traveled from country to country, like they have. And so when the Jews start to exploit them, like modern capitalism almost says,

well, you have to get, you have to hand it to them. You know, hey, if these peasants had been smarter, you know, this wouldn't have happened. But, you know, hey, when you have, when you have an advanced group who comes in, you know, no matter what they do to the people, even if the people don't like it, they have to sit back and take it, right? It's like, I mean, who, who, who, so the Jews complain about, oh, they come over. these Palestinians come over on October 7th and cross the border and kill all these people. Well, you crossed borders for the last 2,000 years and have like enslaved people with usury and, you know, taken over the alcohol trade and, you know, targeted it at, targeted at certain

populations. And then when you get, when people get mad at you, you're not, I mean, how do you deal? how do you survive with the people who never do anything wrong? And then they have tons of, you know, most of the Gentiles around are like, hey, leave them alone. They're the smartest among us. They're probably the only reason why we have air conditioning. Right. And now you're going to have Ben Shapiro try to take over to Turning Point USA.

You know, it's pervasive. as you say it it's hard to deal with them because from their own point of view they are always right they've always been victimized they're always innocent and they're always the good guys and you can't break through that just can't well I'm going to let you go I really appreciate you coming on the culture of critique third it is put out by Antelope Hill. I have a promo code with Anilop Hill, Pete Q, and you'll get 5% off the order. Get this book.

I have the second edition over here. I've read it. I think a lot of, you know, like, I've also had E. Michael Jones on the show. So we look at the Jews from, when you have E. Michael Jones in the show, you look at the Jews from a theological's perspective. but there's nothing, I think the scientific and the theological come together perfectly. Yeah. So what you've written and the way you've laid this out from an evolutionary perspective, I think is perfect for people to understand, a perfect way for people who may not be into the metaphysical to try to understand this group.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, There are different ways to think about it. And Michael Jones certainly does a lot of good work. I have a very different point of view. We've had arguments a couple times. But in general, we are on page with this. And this is something, there are a lot of things we can agree on. You know, the exploitative nature of Judaism.

And then the fact that they have different interests than we do. But it's fascinating, journey. I mean, once I got into Jewish history and all that, I couldn't stop. I mean, it was so interesting to see it. And as an evolutionist, I mean, I expect that conflict to happen. I expect these different groups have different interests. They're going to clash and just the way life is. Well, I'm going to sign off right now. Stay in the room, stay in the room because I have to wait for the audio to upload. And thank you to thank you very much, Dr. McDonald. That really appreciate your time here. Thank you.