The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1270: What the Future Looks Like w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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and get his opinion on them. And some might be controversial to the listeners. So that's good. That's good. Thomas, first of all, how are you doing today? I'm doing well. Thanks for hosting me. Of course, of course.

Let's start talking about immigration. When you look at, I think we've done a pretty good job of discussing immigration in Europe and how the only way you think that, the issue that they're having their ends. How does the United States issue with immigration get solved in your eyes? Well, the problem in the United States is complicated by the fact that in Europe, it's very contrived, and it's very artificial, and it's nakedly political, which in some ways is worse. but on the other hand in America

like I discussed in this series with my friend Anthony on the Mind Faser podcast there's structural barriers to a policy-based solution you know and that's why I think people misunderstood what I was saying I'm not opposed to immigration enforcement at the level of

you know um a violation you know rounding up people who are breaking the law by being here overstating their visas or by crashing the border I don't have a problem with that but these ice raids where they show up 20

deep and just round a bunch of people that's not even a stopgap effort it's performative and there's not if you're one of these big agribusiness conglomerates you know like anthony was pointing out the i don't think people understand these guys are handing out

um or you know uh fake social security numbers to these people and helping them fill out fraudulent paperwork this is above board you know they're the irs knows about it it's not hidden you know there's a lack of political will to penalize market actors who profit by this system I mean, that's the essence of a narco tyranny. It's this hush, hush, wink, wink. You know, we let people break the law, kind of, just by non-enforcement. But, you know, in other capacities, the selective enforcement, that's really bad. I mean, just in ethical terms, aside from the obvious, deleterious effects of, you know, things like tolerating people crashing the border.

There's I mean that that represents a deep level of corruption and in lesser until that changes You know the the problem's not going to be mitigated by Just ramping up enforcement that you know again at the the level of individual violations of the law you know I mean that's the issue and it's also It's America's complicated because America is literally the the center of the world for practical purposes it's the size of a continent we've got this massive border and unfortunately there's a lot of dysfunction in you know Latin America I mean particularly in Mexico but that's it's it's it you know it's throughout the entire

about throughout the entire you know both continents it's you know it's not localized it's structural and endemic at scale so that I don't really see I mean the problem as I see it gets resolved like I said by nullification and most of these problems in America of a social nature there's other there's a storable problems and there's political ones too but you know these these issues a lot of the immigration issue and you know just like a lot of the problems emerging from the civil rights regime, these things would go away if people had free association rights. These things were forced on populations by social engineering,

literally at gunpoint in some cases. You know, you take that away, suddenly, you know, at the local level, people are able once again, I'm assuming they have the will and fortitude and cohones to be crass about it to do so you know people can I mean you decide who you're going to allow or not allow to

live in your communities you know I mean that's that takes care of the problem people got to stop looking at things in a status capacity it's not some libertarian talking point it's just not realistic anymore and globalism at scale is a reality this idea that, well, we got to elect the right kind of government and then implement some top-down federalist solution by, you know, some president invoking Article II emergency power and then imposing this kind of new continent-wide regime. That's not how things work anymore.

You know, and that's fine. I mean, I, because that, that wouldn't solve the problem anyway. The problem is going to be solved from the bottom up, not the top down. But again, I mean, like we talked about, the situation in Europe is totally different. But as far as the American situation, that's how it shakes out. And, you know, we got here, I mean, we got hit harder by the Venezuelan crime wave brought to, you by Biden than pretty much anybody

other than I'm not sure some people in the border states got hit harder but you know I there's completely foobar things here in greater Chicago land so I'm not I'm sure that you know people are going to say I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't experience the effects of immigration

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well, there's also another issue. And that is that a lot of people, you know, in our tribe talk about. And it's blacks. And they, you know, I think one of the reasons why I wanted to do this with you today and talk to you is because when you have platforms like us,

you can't escape bumper sticker solutions. Like you're just, you know, you're like watching the comments and there's a bumper stick. They're all going back. We're sending them to Liberia. We got to get rid of the blacks and everyone else and the Jews. United States is going to be 110. I mean, how would you even, I mean, is it even possible?

no we know what's also I mean what's also too I mean blacks have if you're talking about legacy populations American slaves they've got the right to be here

like other like heritage heritage white Americans Indians and black folks are the only people who've got like an absolute right to be here you can't you don't have to like black folks

want to live next to them or think of you know think positive about them at all but you can't you can't say that some dude who's the descendant of a slave who came here in, you know, 1590 has no right to be in America, or that he's actually African because he's not.

You know, that's just stupid, you know. It's also this idea that for the past 400 years, close to 500 years, the history of blacks and our people in America is just like blacks committing huge amounts of crime or whatever. or, you know, this ongoing race war, that's totally at odds of precedent. The reason why things are Fubar is because of the social engineering regime. That's what's causing it, you know. And it created these totally perverse circumstances. It, by design, a breakdown in social authority was curated,

whereby there was no social penalty to people going totally feral. There's the mechanisms in place that, you know, prevented that kind of thing for centuries were targeted for destruction. You know, I mean, that's why this happened. It's not because there's some 500 years-long race war going on in blacks or some alien element or something. don't get me wrong us us and them are very different people okay uh and that and that'll

i mean that's that's insurmountable but the idea that we can't live on the same continent at appropriate social distance and you know figuratively and literally that's preposterous because obviously that's not the case and the reason why the last 70 years have been dysfunctional is because of what i just said you know plus i mean it it's uh i don't know i mean i mean if your whole jive is um to avoid black folks you can do that pretty easily i mean i can't because where i live but i mean nobody i choose to live here because it doesn't bother me but i but this idea it's not it's not like uh it's not like in a country of 320 million people blacks or 150 million of them or something it's like okay don't live

around black folks if if that's an issue and that's totally fine i mean if that's people's notion. I'm not things anything wrong with that being a notion, but, you know, this idea that people see these horrible things happen, like the lumping psycho stabbing that poor immigrant lady. And that's horrible. I mean, don't get me wrong. I, you know, I, there's no way to characterize it as anything but horrible. But these, but these one-off horrible things, and I mean, don't get me wrong. Obviously, there's serious corruption in that little cat. that allows this kind of thing to happen. But again, I mean, this isn't happening by accident.

You know, it's, but also, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's stuff happens all too often. But it's not as if there's some, it's not as if there's thousands or millions of those events happening every day. And it's not as if this is a natural state of things that's curated. You know, in a normal society, you wouldn't. have some judge who's running some NGO masquerading as a charity whereby there's incentives i mean aside on the fact that you know this judge obviously had no interest in punishing her own people

because you know she's unfit to for the role she's in but there's also that you know this conflict of interest relating to this NGO this alternative sentencing regime you know she was literally pocketing money from that whole structure but i mean that that's what just happened you know like All this stuff is curated. You know, it's that you don't need, you don't need some top-down reform package. You know, by authoritarian means, you essentially just need free association to be reinstated. And you need the harmful element excised from the government. And, you know, you need to rein in government from this.

role that it's taken on since the 1933 revolution whereby its primary raise on detourous as a social engineering apparatus that, you know, by punitive sanction and the threat thereof, it forces these unnatural and harmful and deliberately hostile

patterns of life on people. So that's the thing to maintain. Plus I mean, too, it's a sociological problem. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying that there's not problems with having a, this black lump in population and periodic revolt, like, that's fucked up and that's not sustainable, but it is, but it's not really a political problem. It becomes that way, because it's exploited as such on purpose, but it's, it's not, it's not a political problem in the way this conventionally, or, or, I mean, this, this, not in the way it's

conventionally understood, but also factually that's not what it is. It's a sociological problem, and they're not the same thing, despite what people have been habituated to believe. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th, because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items, all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs, when the doors open, the deals go fast. See for yourself. The Lidl Newbridge Warehouse Sale, 28th to 30th of November.

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you know, once you really start getting down in the weeds, is drawn out of this culture of critique, as Kevin McDonald would call it, that insinuates itself into high levels of places where social engineering can be done, press, culture, Hollywood, things like that. How do we deal with that going forward?

Because, I mean, it's, you know, people are screaming, oh, we just, what, you're, we're not going to be able to deal with this. I mean, the Spurgius of the Spurgis, we're not going to be able to deal with us until every last one is kicked out of the country. Well, that's not going to happen. So, you know, how do we deal? Well, you've got, you've got to look at, you've got to look at, um, Jewish revolutionary tendencies and punitive impulses.

and the ambitions of the regime and its structural aspects as being synonymous, they're the same thing. One reflects the other in a symbiotic relationship, and each feeds and facilitates the other. And this is why I'm always emphasizing that the revolutions of the first decades of the 20th century, whether you're talking about Red October or the National Socialist Revolution that culminated in Hitler being a appointed Reichs consular, and the New Deal Revolution, I mean, you've got to look at those as having equivalent impact. I mean, obviously, it was much more punctuated in the case the Soviet Union. The other two examples were perfectly within the law of the extant polity, and the bullshit. Bolsheviks literally killed their way into a position of authority.

So, I mean, I'm not suggesting some equivalence with the German Reich or the New Deal America. But these, the ideological imperatives were just as radical and total in a top-down way. You know, and so that's the legacy government you live under. You don't live under the legacy government of George Washington and John Adams or something. you know so it's not that's one of the reasons why when it's it's kind of asinine you know especially a lot of guys um on the academic side of of um of the law and stuff like the kinds of guys you find uh who end up teaching law school you know there's definitely some intelligent people who come out of that milieu like john hughes one of them but it's kind of the exception most of these guys you know they they write this

polemical stuff, you know, where they stump in favor of concepts, like originalism. The scene of hearing of there. I mean, they'd be like, they'd be like some guy in, in Putin's Russia, you know, like falling back on czarist precedence or something.

Like, it's not, you know, you don't, you don't live under the government of 1783 or 1789. Those assumptions were totally done away with. You know, the epistemic priors that, were invoked to validate America have absolutely nothing to do with the present situation and such that they are involved they're invoked as a punitive counter example as what the regime wants to accomplish so the way the privileged position of Zionism is totally done that conceptually people hate Israel and they hate Zionism like they're they're a total pariah so that changes things because you know the regime's really been obsolete since you know November 89 let me let me qualify that the Clinton administration derail what

was supposed to succeed that regime okay like I'm not saying the Bush Baker and Gorichoff model was good in absolute terms but it would have been workable okay But because that was totally monkey-wrenched by the neocons and these Clinton liberals and others, you know, the regime in the 21st century is kind of dead on arrival. But it took a few decades for that to fully come to fruition. But the issue of Zionism and Jewish radicalism, again, it's. you've got to look at it is synonymous with the American regime. And that's taking care of itself.

I mean, in historical terms, you know, like I said before, it's going to be a couple centuries before that transition is fully realized and before the current structure truly dies, but it's actively happening. You know, the thing to do is to continue to facilitate, state its demise and work toward, but the main thing is to work towards rebuilding as we look to a horizon where the regime no longer exists. And that's what we're doing. That's why social capital is so important. You know, because we're laying, I mean, not just because that's essential

to people's quality of life and, you know, raising healthy children and being productive and transmitting our culture to future generations. Obviously, all those things are a paramount importance. we're basically future oriented. You know, we're building the structure that is willing to sustain our people moving forward when actual freedom is restored and realizable again. And, you know, the mentioned material and the communities that those people constitute

and the social bonds that, and communitarian aspects of that structure. You know, that's the future, that's the way forward. And that's why people too, like they, when they talk about hypothetically, I assume, I would hope that nobody's actually talking about trying to stage some sort of Shays rebellion right now. But that'd be like clawing the murder,

guy who's dying of cancer you know the overthrowing a dying regime yeah sometimes that i mean that's a that's what the jacobs did i maintain the fun of reasons they weren't long for this earth but that's sort of tangential but the and i realize people aren't patient and don't get me wrong i mean if there's some if the regime decided it's not going to allow itself to exit stage of history without taking as many of us down with it as possible. Yeah, obviously you need to fight back to defend yourself and defend your family and defend your community and everything else. Um, but that's the issue. The issue isn't that if somebody doesn't, hypothetically speaking a gun, I'm not advocating violence or criminality at all. Um, but this idea that, this idea that

there's not going to be a paradigm shift. There's some punctuated revolutionary catalyst. That's the wrong way to look at it. You know, that's the best answer I can give. Do you think that everybody, that attitude of, oh, it has to be done now, I'm not going to work for, you know, I'm not going to work towards the future in, you know, even after I'm gone and know that I built something now. no, I want to win right now.

Do you think that has something to do with like the industrial revolution and technology? Just like, just this momentous just acceleration of being able to get things done at a moment's notice. And then people want to apply that to historical and social phenomena. Yeah, that's a big part of it. And it's also people have trouble. Even intelligent people who might intellectually understand that you've got to look at historical events, you know, like you do macroeconomics or anything else. You've got to look at it in centuries-long increments. You don't know if they intellectually understand that.

Instinctively, people have a hard time seeing or conceptualizing a horizon outside of their immediate situated in this. so even if even if you argue the point to somebody or have a discussion like we're having now and they acknowledge the inherent frailties and you know fatal contradictions of the extant regime and acknowledge that it's a you know a process of historical transitions underway they instinctively they they reject that because they look at they look at they look at the current system is this kind of megalith you know I've been a move the metaphor before it's think I want it like an obelisk like in 2001 those monoliths that appear if you're in the middle of a desert and you're smacked up

against an object like that you can't really discern its parameters and its size and its features you know you need to you need to get far away from it to establish a vantage point and understand what it's true dimensions are that's kind of the way people who are in terms of their temporal situatedness and because because the state is very very powerful you know even states in precipitous decline are are very powerful they can bring to bear a tremendous amount of wealth violence you name it so people become inculcated with this sense of it being this, you know, immortal Leviathan that could only be, that could only

be altered or done away with by violent force. But that itself should give people applause. You're not, you're not going to win in a fight against the government at present. You know, that's not, and I mean, again, I, you know, I'm not trying to be controversial. And I, we'll call it a you know like I said I got a lot of respect for guys like Gusty Spence and that was that was his sensibility even when he was at his most radical is you know we're we're going to defend our people and our communities from our sectarian enemies or the or the or the British army or the crown government or anybody else but we're not we're not going to spoil for fights to make some kind of point you know so you do need to return the serve to protect yourself

and your people, but there's not some vain, some vain, glorious Don Quixote charge at the government isn't gonna accomplish anything. I mean, you shouldn't do that anyway, again, people shouldn't break the law, but that would also be counterproductive. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28th to 30th,

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recently, and I think I said it on somebody else's live stream the other night was that a lot of people, a lot of our guys, you know, people that, you know, we would like if we met them, they have this thing like, oh, everything is stacked up against white men. It's a war against white men. And what I've taken to saying is, if you're a white man, you can defeat anything. You can do anything. So if you have that attitude of, oh, you know, it's a war on white people. Look at all, these things these people said about white people. They want to kill us. They want to do everything. I mean, that's really just a part of the social engineering regime trying to make it so that you're miserable. You're never going to, you're never going to try. And it just keeps them in power,

right? Well, yeah. And also, the regime's terrified of the power of its, the silent majority, particularly a radicalized youth cadre therein. And, well, yeah, it's also, I mean, I, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thing of significance. You know, you don't, why, why, why do you need validation or why do you need some pathetic government apparachic to like you or think positively of you. Now, the fact of matter is too, all these people, whether it's this goof who's running for a mayor of New York City or whether it's that ridiculous and very corrupt woman who was,

you know, trying to subpoena the records of a friend that be there in, you know, in the most comically-enept way. everything from the way these people dress the way they talk you know the their habits their taste the food they eat the technologies they use the concepts they invoke of an ethical nature their rationales for everything they do in their life their wants their desires their fears their anxieties literally everything is what they learned from anglophone white people in their culture. They literally don't exist without my

tribe. It's like I'm supposed to be like worried about them not liking me or acting like the instead of wayward idiot children of some rich guy. I mean, it's basically what they are. You know, so it's

okay, the government I mean, like I'm only saying too, and this isn't some kind of stupid flex or something. It's just reality. I maybe because I've always been an outlook. This is always, this is like easy for me. I always realize the government doesn't like me. They view me as a bad guy.

They want to do bad things to me. I mean, I guess it's different if you grow up in like an all-white town in Colorado and you go to the same church as everybody else in that town. And, you know, the local government is like the dads of guys you go to high school with. I mean, yeah, okay, I guess maybe that insinuates with an idea that official does. are good guys and that the country belongs to guys like you at street level or something. I mean, obviously, I never had that experience. But yeah, it's...

Like, on the one hand, you can't be flippant and haughty and pretend that these people can't harm you because they absolutely can and they want to. But this idea, they only exist. they only exist because of my people. There's a power disparity there that's so massive. It's basically unprecedented. Like, these people aren't even Helots because they're helots did have their own culture. And I think they probably even had their own language.

That's disputed. You know, like these people literally don't exist without us. You know, and even their entire race on Detra and they're, even the punitive, you know, um, notions that they harbor towards us are derived, admittedly, from a very unfortunate body of theory, but that body of theory is again, like white, western post-Christian. These people literally don't exist without us, so I'm supposed to get all upset when, you know, they act as if they have some sort of mandate

to run things. You know, they're literally coolies. You know, I'm not afraid of coolies. I'm not afraid of anybody. Not because I'm like a big badass, but I mean, I'm only afraid of God. You know, and you shouldn't be afraid of anyone or anything else. But, you know, such that bringing kind of back to earth

to, I mean, these people are not long for this world. You know, this is all coming to an end. I mean, admittedly, I, if my horizon in discussing this is a couple centuries, and I realize people who, and I'm not minimizing some of these people go through. You know, there's very bad things underway, and people are suffering in real ways from it. And they want relief from that. But at the same time, we always must keep the big.

picture in mind. And according to that reality, you know, these people are on their way out. They're exiting history. If some our guys came to you and said, you know, look, I'm going to, all these jobs came open with this, with this government and I'm going to get, I'm going to get hired on. What do you think should be their motivation and expectation as far as doing that? Or do you even think it's a good idea at all? I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't have all the answers. And I've run across, well, it depends on where you're at. Like, I've run across at events and stuff and just other places when I've been out and about and on the road.

I've run across guys, particularly in the South. And, you know, they're on the staff of the congressmen of the district where they live. And their notion is, and that's a very southern thing is, you know, getting involved. involved locally in, you know, the political apparatus. And, you know, at least trying to mitigate some of them are harmful, top-down programmatic efforts to, you know, socially engineer the culture and what have you. And, I mean, only to reconstruction and stuff, I get why guys do

that. arguably that you know you need you need our people in place there to act as kind of stop-gap you know agents but you know generally unless you truly don't have a choice because the only way you can earn what you need to earn you know to provide for your wife and kids or something is by taking a straight job with a big company or with the government or something adjacent to that i mean i get it some people don't have a choice but those people who don't have a choice that's a shrinking demographic you know you said you said secede from regime stuff as much as possible and um that's another positive thing like charlie kirk he did this before i mean about

a month before he was murdered he did this interview on tucker Carlson. I watched Tucker Carlson on and off. Some of his guests really interest me. Some of them I'm kind of like whatever, they bore me. But Tucker Carlson, for a mainstream pundit, I think he, I think he's basically a good guy. You know, and, but he and Kirk were talking about nullification. I mean, they weren't using that word, but that's what they were talking about and all but name. And they were making a lot of those same points. you know, the fluidity of capital and the ability to work remotely because of telecom and things, you know, this has changed everything. You know, I mean, that's how I can make a living in large measure by writing and stuff. I mean, admitted I'm a single man. You know, it changed things of a family, but I'm not an outlier. And, you know, there's opportunities abound if you're willing to be creative and especially if you're willing to do without certain things you know i don't mean like basic essentials or like wearing decent clothes i mean like maybe you don't maybe you don't need to

take three vacations a year and you know have uh three cars for uh you know a family uh consisting of like a husband and wife and two kids you know like uh stuff like that you know um So my notion has always been, and remains of this day, you know, secede from regime stuff as much as possible, especially in the way you make a living and your laborers, but also like who you hang out with, the kinds of girls you court and the woman you marry or the guy you marry if you're a lady, obviously,

you know, who you socialize with. You've got to take this on as a partisan commitment that in every aspect of your life if you know you're if you work for XYZ company and you kow to bullshit like when they you know when they when they when they observe pride month or something you know if you like hold your peace when there's real injustice underway and you know some regime like some like system regime uh coded job you have if the people you hang out with are a bunch like brain dead liberals. I think Donald Trump is you know causing their psoriasis. I mean it's like you're

living a fucked up life and if you just like talk trash on the internet to like blow off steam or you're like, yeah I hate it but you know I just got to suck it up. It's like no, you're being a bitch. And or you're just a phony and your whole thing is you know you just like mess around the internet you know because like in your review it's like transgressive to say politically incorrect things or something, but, you know, no, people, I am, I remain convinced that people need to secede from regime culture as much as possible, especially in the way they make a living.

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So guys in our thing every once in a while contact me or somebody will reach out to me and go, hey, you know, I found out that this guy who, you know, is in our cadre and is very influential, his great-grandfather was Jewish. And they converted to Christianity, and now he's a third-generation messianic Jew. But I never hear him bringing up the J-Q. So when it comes to, like, our thing, what's the separation? Because every, you know, if you want to make it about race, and race is really important.

But, you know, when, you know, I know a lot of the guys that you hang out with, you know, like there's, there's a bunch of mishlings that I know of and, you know, in our crew definitely. But what, how do you judge it? How do you judge it going forward? If you're going to have these small cadres, if you're going to break things down, you know, is there any, is there any group that you see as like a no-go? Yeah, I mean, it's, well, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, Air Harden Milch was a really. racial Jew. Like, it's not the way, uh, I don't, I don't join any organizations. I've contemplated the idea of formalizing something, but I mean, I don't, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that'd be different than this aboveboard kind of stuff. You don't seem to joiner type to me at all, man.

No. And, uh, my notion was, uh, I've got a big tense sensibility, like anybody who's, um, you know, if you're, if you're white whatever ethnos or middle eastern you know any any any Christian sect other than like phony stuff like Unitarians I I have no problem with our cadre our Muslim friends obviously I I have a lot of respect for them you know so there's that kind of big tent new resistance right coded um cadre but then within that you know the reason why i opted to start spending more time in lynchburg and stuff is because there's a community of uh heritage americans a lot of whom i got

ulster blood you know like my dear friend j burton there's a church there i like where all of them attend you know that's uh i want to be around my own ethnic Okay, sometimes I need to be. So that's the way to look at it. Like within the broader political pastiche and resistance element, there's going to be guys who you find relatable and who are friends and comrades of yours who are of a different ethnos that, I mean, that doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean we're being like race blind or something. It's, you know, it is what I said it is. And it's also, too, like I don't, you know, if you're going to go around, checking people's DNA like I mean the problem is the problem with people with respect to that kind of thing respect to the heritage of people they accept in their cadre

The problems I see it is some guy he'll like work with some crazy Zionist guy or something but then decide this guy's based for some assonine reason or he finds him personally likable So he's like, oh, no, it's okay because, you know, he's a right wing view or whatever. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. If you're a self-identified Jew and that's your culture, you identify with it, you practice it. Like, you're not, that's ridiculous, you know. It doesn't mean you go around personally hating people because that's lame and that's, that's bitch made. But you don't, you don't pretend people or your political allies because you personally. personally like them or something. But, you know, most of these, um, most of these supposedly

right-wing guys don't get it. You know, they're, they're just mainstream people with, with certain reservations. So I don't, I, it's not complicated who you should or shouldn't accept, uh, as a comrade in arms or as part of your cadre. And if anyone who finds this confusing is something of a cretan or doesn't really understand what we're doing, you know, and that's my take on it. Well, let me ask you a couple things that are, you know, can bring a chuckle and are kind of ridiculous. Do you think there is going to be an awakening in the United States and all of a sudden

the United States is going to adopt national socialism? No. Well, I mean, there already has been an awakening. I mean, that's why the regime was shitting his pants over that Trump a sentence seat. Like, Trump, the guy, isn't important. And it's not important either that Trump's obviously like a regime actor. It's what he represented to the silent majority. And that demographic, self-consciously mobilizing around an identitarian imperative.

That's what terrifies them. And that's what they can't tolerate. There's nothing to do with Trump and its policies. And the fact now that everybody hate Zionism and Zionists, that is the awakening. There's a perennial aspect and a timeless aspect of the Third Reich. But the reason why is because that was one iteration of this perennial thing. You know, the form it took. organizational permutations and things are historically contingent.

That's not important, you know, but the reason why it has a timeless significance, and the reason why I identify with those things is for the reason I just said. You know, not not because there's going to be some party political mobilization along the sort of lines that were in the 1930s, and that's going to change everything. But in America, in America, you don't have political parties. In America, you don't do things that way. That's the European way of doing things. The American way of doing things is nullification, localism, you know, the Yale-Menri,

or its equivalent, you know, mobilizing a cadre structure to essentially force the government to not interfere with this process and nullification. I mean, that's what the war between the states. was about and this is an ongoing thing you know every every couple generations that reemerges obviously i mean thank god it doesn't culminate in a massive war that kills half a million people but you know um that was never really resolved you know and it still remains unresolved i mean that's that's the american situation you know and america is not europe well i guess because of the just how spread out everything is how many you

You know, you can have somebody who's a heritage American who lives in Utah and someone who's a heritage American and lives in New York. And they believe in completely, they're completely at odds when it comes to anything socially and politically. So basically what I hear all the time is, well, you know, we just got to radicalize people. We got to radicalize people. And what I try to tell people is most people are not going to be radicals. They just don't want them to be anyway. I mean, what would you do with them? We're not Democrats.

You know, the idea, I don't mean, you know, the media branding. I mean, you know, in the actual sense. You know, it's like Tommy Messker said, even if we had these people, what would we do with them? You know, we're not, we're not trying to, we're not trying to make our own version of, you know, the regime. We're like our own Walmart brand or something. You know, I mean, plus, plus two, I mean, political relationships. revolutions, I don't just mean of a violent nature or a kinetic nature, right? You know, any sort of revolutionary paradigm shift, there's always going to be a van, by definition,

there's always going to be a vanguard that leads that. And what the vanguard is, is people who, for whatever reason, are astride the zeitgeist, and for somehow they embody the prime symbols and imperatives and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and literal spirit of the age in a way that other people don't. They're almost a conduit for this stuff. Okay, that's what the vanguard is. You know, it's not... And when these movements emerge, they don't come about like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

It's not because a bunch of guys went door to door saying, I have like a pamphlet for you to tell you about why you want to be radicalized and why, you know, like Jews are bad guys or whatever. Like, that's... That's asinine. You know, but that's also... But the fact that people think that way, that proves my point. Like, they're not built for this.

They don't understand what we're doing. They don't understand what's underway. You know, and it's best they're not trying to get involved in it. Like, that's my whole point about Trump's arrangement syndrome and stuff. Like, on the other side, when I come across these people, I mean, generally I ignore them because they're, because they're poo. Like, they're just obnoxious, odiferous assholes. But when I do choose engaging It's like this doesn't affect you you have no skin in the game you're an NPC

Like stop stop curating this like random rage at Donald Trump or at Conservatives or I mean it doesn't make any sense and it's fake because it's like this is it's like you know you You don't play a role in these processes You know you're you're you're just the background You're you're just the background you're just the background elements, you know, um, so people, this idea that, uh, this idea that, this idea that, you know, some majoritarian element, once you convince them, they become radical, then things change. That wasn't even, I mean, one of the, it's fascinating to read about the

schism between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a lot of nuances to that. But at the end of the day, you know, letting this were vanguardists, they're like, no, This isn't, this isn't some, yes, this is a broad front, but we're not, we're not Democrats. This isn't some get out the vote campaign. This isn't, you know, we're not, we're not trying to capture parliamentary majorities. You know, we are the proletarian vanguard. We are forcing revolutionary imperatives because we're the ones you can perceive the political. process and are willing to sacrifice they're in. You know, there was a, there wasn't really an equivalent for that in the

National Socialist Revolution. Like, Strasaurus, they had some reservations about the fear of principle, but they weren't, they weren't really broad front strategists

either. It was its own thing. So, I mean, but you know, point being, I'll never understand why people think that we're involved in some get-out-the-vote activity or something. I don't know why they think. I don't know why they desperately want some 80-I-Q, like, Rando to, like, agree with them. You know, and, of what's most people aren't capable of understanding politics at scale. It's just beyond them, which is fine.

There's all kinds of things that are beyond me. Okay. I happen to understand kind of instincts for political theory and praxis and scaled systems of a social and political nature and theoretical things you know the overall majority of people that is not for them you know it's it's not a question of intelligence either I mean obviously if you're if you're extraordinarily really unintelligent. That's an obstacle to all kinds of stuff. But, you know, I'm not, I'm not talking about, there's all kinds of people who are way smarter than me who don't

understand politics. It's not, we're not talking about intelligence or something to be clear. And I'm not saying, I'm so smart because it's, it's nothing to do with that. Well, yeah, it's one of the things that, you know, people who are out there that I like, I mean, and they're like, well, race is everything. Race is, you know, well, it comes down to scale. Okay, if you want to do that at, in an area where you go and you do, you can do it, you're not going to do that in a 350 million, 400 million that has been importing people from other cultures unless you kick them all out and how are you going to do that? I think people have this idea that they're going to have the Turner Diaries and, you know,

not realizing that that's a piece of fiction and not realizing that if you had the Turner Diaries, you wouldn't want to be there. You'd be leaving. You'd be taking your family and going somewhere else. No, it's not realistic. And it's also, yeah, I mean, obviously race is important. It's an essential human characteristic.

You know, and along with other essential characteristics, it's something that's got to, it's always relevant. And, um, but this idea that everything is reducible to race, and nobody thinks that way anymore. Other than, like,

internet randos who aren't really in the game. The reason why there was such this, I mean, everybody in the 20th century thought that way. You know, like I make the point often, there wasn't some national socialist fixation on biological racialism. That's the way everybody thought. Like, that's why socialist thought. That's the way liberals thought. That's why reactionaries thought.

Everybody thought that way. You know, the 20th century, everybody was an atheist. everybody was a biological reductionist nobody thinks that way anymore you know so you come off like a weirdo if you talk that way anyway i mean because you're not a serious person you know we don't we we don't we don't sit around devising um like public eugenics programs based on the idea that your your blood or your DNA programs you to act certain ways i mean yeah sociobiology is a real thing but this idea that you're Jewish because you have a certain kind of DNA that makes you act Jewish. Nobody thinks that way.

That's not, and anybody who does doesn't understand genetics and biological science. You know, plus it's not like a political question. It's like, okay, it's like if this idea that we, you know, we can only live among people with a certain IQ who don't. commit crimes like that that's autistic and it's not again it's not a political solution but i mean it doesn't matter because that's like people who involve that kind of stuff and the same kind of people who still invoke like bullshit like richard dockins if it's meaningful but it's not the fact that something's bullshit like again that it's that that's that's shit's out of date nobody thinks that way you know so that's um plus too i mean like

there is with some exceptions you always find out of liars here in there, some like mixed race guy or something like the Asian guy, who is very much, nevertheless, part of like a white culture. And, you know, it's like Phil Linot syndrome. You know, they have him thinn-lizzie. Um, but, uh, you know, that's just that. Those are the outliers. And, um, obviously, uh, ethnos is, ethnos and race aren't synonymous. But I mean, obviously they're inextricably linked so that it's, you know, um,

I mean, ethnos is what matters. Like, yeah, there is a white race. Yeah, there is a, there is an Indo-European-derived culture. And, you know, that whether there's common moral and intellectual and practical assumptions that kind of tether these several populations together and what can be called Christendom or the West, that terms of the hijacks. I don't like to use the term of the West. It's just big of a stand-in for, you know, like late capitalist society or modern society or something.

But, I mean, you know what I mean? This idea that we've got to have some heart as fuck of view on biological race. Otherwise, it's going to corrupt the process of decision-making. It's like, how? Like, I, you know. But people who think that way, too, are often themselves super de-racinated. Like, I was making the point, like, yes, again, race is real and there's a white race. but I'm not, first and foremost, the people I have affinity for in political terms are,

I mean, if you're like me, like, you know, your confession is your ethnos. I don't hang around Ukrainian village and say to a bunch of, you know, Yuki, so don't speak English, like, yeah, we're the white people. I mean, like, that's not how things work. And, you know, again, if you think that way, you're, you don't leave your house, you're, you know, you're some internet guy or or some deracinated person who doesn't isn't connected to his own culture. So you've decided, you know, that the source of fellow feeling and its common historical destiny, like derives from, you know, some, some criteria like group anatomy or something.

Yeah, that's the best I can answer. Yeah, I know we have to finish up here, but I always, I find it very odd that a lot of the people who talk about race are also the kind of people who are like, yeah, you know, the United States and everything, it's like localism. No, localism is bullshit. It's like, what are you talking about? It's like, look at the United States.

What do you, where do you? Because their whole notion is that the irasinated weirdos and their notion is they don't like black people because they commit crimes. They, like Jews are standing in for like,

liberals in their mind so their notion is they want them all of America or Walmart but you know without black people who like hassle you and steal your shit and without liberals and to them you know liberals and Jews are sort of synonymous you know so that's like where they're coming at it from they're not looking at it as you know I'm part of this chain of being that spans a past a present than a future, you know, that orbits around a confessional heritage and uniquely situated population that came here from somewhere else. But, you know, nonetheless, did so in a way that was ordained by God. And, you know, based on, you know, the living memory of my ancestors and the

the prime symbols that trigger and sustain those things and the kind of fellow feeling I I am able to cultivate with people of my same you know confession and race and ethnos like you know there's there's nothing they're not engaged in that at all it's you know blackie commit crimes and threaten me Jew is liberal I want Mall of America but without Blackie and Jew it's like that basic you know all right well Let's finish that up there. Thank you for doing this today. Yeah.

You know, we could have went into Sombard or the Frankfurt School, but let's take a little break. And I think this is important because I know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of the people who listen to our content, view our content that we interact with pretty much have a nuanced view of how the future. future is going to look, how society's going to work. And I'm basically by doing something like this, it's like just, I'm trying to create a spur-free zone. Yeah.

It's there. I'm not going to let them bother me anymore. It's just going to block them and just, you know, whatever, you know, have, have a good time. Go into your bubble and, you know, keep complaining. But there's a big difference between complaining about, you know, oh, you know, look at what's happened to civilization. Look at what's happened to order because of certain groups and how things have been shaped

and complaining about, oh, I can't get a job because I'm white. I mean, it, it's one is literally, you come. That's all like inward behavior. Like a lot of these, like, I'm always saying like not all in words are black. Some of them are, some of them are at least biologically white. that's that like there's like there's like a lot of like white inwardism in supposedly right wing circles you know with these internet people no i just you know gate keep hard as fuck and don't don't even engage with these fools that's all my time is valuable to me i know yours is too so

i don't i don't waste my time with with fools because because again like my time's valuable to me you know all right Everybody go to Thomas's substack. You can connect to Thomas off of his substack. I'm sure he spends most of his time. Support Thomas on the substack so you can get the episodes, which are behind a paywall. Believe me, you want to hear the latest one with Taylor from Antelope Hill talking about, was it the last, is it last battle?

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