The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1271: The Cops and You w/ LongArm

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

63 MinutesPG-13LongArm is an active duty law enforcement officer.LongArm joins Pete To talk about the recent Substack he wrote for the Old Glory Club, The Cops and You.The Cops and YouPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I thought, oh, man, now we're all in trouble. I'm not enthusiastic about weighing in on our thing from this angle, but I wrote the piece, and I'm, you know, very honored to be talking with you about this. And I suspect that the piece is popular because there's just a lot of practical stuff that's useful for people in our thing. and just normal people could also take something from what I wrote. And not to be unduly afraid of law enforcement, but also to know what the landscape is like, what you're dealing with,

and just basic stuff that can make you safer if you know it. And also so you're not surprised when law enforcement acts the way that they are trained and have learned through experience to act. It's just this is useful stuff, I believe. All right. So this is called, the piece is called The Copts and You. We only catch the stupid ones. Be Smart. And it starts off with a, I'll read this quote. It's a quote from Stormy, Stormy Waters. Continue. What was I saying? What's the term I'm looking for? Frequent guest on the show. And okay, so this is from the Inquisition episode 20. I don't. think I was on this episode. I think I was recovering. So, all right, here's what he said. He said, because of how dangerous our society is, all of our guys are packing, as they should be. So this doubly means, if you're concealed carrying, cops are your fucking enemy and you need to stay away from

them. Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny. All these people were arrested, and I bet the arresting officers were white. And they don't give a shit because the lady in a pantsuit that's a district attorney is going to give them a high five and a head pat and that district attorney lady in a pantsuit is going to shove you into a machine that runs on automation so yeah i i guess you heard you heard that and that uh caused you to spring into action so um you know you start off talking about um how those of us who didn't come from libertarianism where we studied um just exactly how law enforcement works and how they're not our ally, they're not designed to be our ally. You decided to, you know, give us some background. So you can start wherever you want. Sure. I'm glad you

did the quote in its entirety. And I would recommend listening to Astro Flight in general and the Inquisition specifically. And really, any, anytime Stormy Waters appears somewhere like some kind of avenging spirit, I would just recommend listening to him. He knows what he. He knows, what time it is, and he's a very impressive person. I see you as sort of the Don Corleone of our thing, but he's like some kind of Anglo-Saxon yarl or something. He's someone from the past who's appeared, and he looks around and he's mad at what has happened to his people. And the reason that I felt sort of motivated to spring into action, it was two, really two things. My piece is three parts. Two of them were inspired by Stormy's quote and his kind of little sidebar in Astral's

podcast. And one, I kind of threw it on my own. The first one is, you know, he's saying cops are your fucking enemy. And I wanted to, my piece is saying he's mostly right. You should act around cops, particularly ones you don't know, as if they are your enemy in the same way that cops act around you, like you, are their enemy, until they get more information. But if you have relationships with cops who are on the level, and there won't be very many of them. Again, I'm a pretty weird dude. I'm a pretty weird case. But they, if they're like any, like anyone in the system, anyone in a bureaucratic position of power or choke point, again, elite theory, if a cop is, one of us, well, then there's more options. The landscape isn't quite so bleak.

And if more of them and higher placed ones are one of us, then even better. And if they are integrated into a local executive function where the fire chief and the mayor are one of us, then again, the more people who are on the level who are working together and working locally, then the better our chances of, number one, just having a nice time, but also not getting thrown into the threshing machine that is the integrated local, federal law enforcement intel thing. And that was the second thing he referred to, which I hadn't heard anybody else refer to these things

before on podcasts and our thing, which was fusion centers. Fusion centers are essentially, offices that are based in regions, and it kind of depends on the population of the area they're dealing with. Every state in the United States has at least one fusion center, but some fusion centers govern entire state's areas, and some, like, down to, there's one fusion center that only deals with one county because that county is populous and rich. but like in the piece I said,

it's not just the USA. Guam has a fusion center, Virgin Islands has one, D.C. has one. And these fusion centers is the, the hinge between particularly DHS but also FBI, all the feds. It's their interface point

with local law enforcement. So it's like a regional center where it is local law enforcement, and there's local law enforcement people at desks in these buildings, and they are feeding intel up the chain about what's going on in their areas. And not very often, but sometimes the feds will feed commands down the chain. So it's like, it's like a nervous system. You know, the local law enforcement is like the nerves that notice things that give information to the brain. And then the brain gives, you know, nerve signals for muscles to

move. And then those local law enforcement agencies can become the nerves that make muscles move. They can become the muscle. And there's lots of examples in history. And again, if you're a, if you're an anarchist, a libertarian type, you know all the, all the big bad ones where, where the feds come to some area. And sometimes local law enforcement is very happy to cooperate. Sometimes local law enforcement is not cooperative, but does not obstruct. And I suspect what's going to happen more and more, and I actually hope it does, is local law enforcement can actively obstruct federal law enforcement. And doing that in a big enough way, and in a kind of media circus enough way, could cause a constitutional crisis, and that would be a very likely sort of

touch-off point for, you know, like an insurgency. But by the way, again, I also plug Clay Martin's books, Prairie Fire and Hungry Jungle. But in Clay Martin's Wrath of the Wendigo, quote, novel, unquote, a local event where there's a conflict between the locals and an area who are awake and feds doing fed things. That's in his fictional sort of prophecy of a

continental USA insurgency, that's how it gets touched off. It's a very likely a touch-off point for an insurgency if like local law enforcement and they deputize people and like you know stacked up at a road into town and said feds no you will not do the thing

you're going to do so anyway in my piece I the first part of the piece was just like general helpful stuff I probably missed some things and like I said in the piece if you're a libertarian I mean frankly if you're a libtard if you just like

if you hate the cops or distrust the cops or whatever probably know all this stuff already. You've heard it, you know, somewhere else. So just sort of how to deal with the cops, how to be with the cops. And I wasn't, I tried my best to, I'm not suggesting anyone like defy or mess with or hurt or do anything unlawful. I actually, it was like, if you're dealing with the cops, cooperate with them. If they're trying to give you a ticket, get the ticket, particularly if you have anything illegal on you or anything you don't want them to see, like the best way for you to send them on their way is to get that ticket and say thank you, sir. Have a nice day and then they find someone else to mess with.

Like, if you, if you act like a civilized, heterosexual Caucasian around cops, unless something glaring is happening, they probably are just going to, like, be on their way. They're hunting for, like, I mean, again, they want to catch bad guys and put them in jail. Arresting people and taking them to jail is the job of police. And if a cop is in the process of arresting someone taking them to jail, their leadership is happy with them. They're not going to get like questions about, hey, what were you doing all day?

Like, were you just like chilling in your car? What were you? Like, why are we paying you? Whatever it is. And again, there's actually quite a wide, a wide bracket of some cops get paid pretty dang good. Some cops get paid pretty badly. Some cops are very, very well trained.

Some cops are not very well trained. There's like, there's actually, I mean, you're not just dealing if you, if you encounter a cop, You're not just dealing with a very wide possibilities of kind of how well they're getting paid, how well they're getting treated. And also how enthusiastic, how kind of gung-ho are they about doing whatever they think their job is?

But how well-trained are they? Like how often do they have to, you know, qualify with their weapons? How often do they have to do like, you know, bureaucratic, sometimes cringe, like negotiation things, mental health training, first A, like all these things are state and local dependent. So, and I tried my best in my piece to be as general as possible about like, hey, like, whatever your specific situation is with laws and codes and crap, like, it's on everyone, in the same way it's on the cops in those areas. It's on you to not know every dumb little law, but know the laws that the cops might use to jam you up. And like I say in the piece, cops, they actually don't like writing tickets. They don't care about writing citations.

The citations are annoying. But they want a legal pretense to stop people and identify them and see if they are in the system. Like, do you have a warrant? Are you doing something right now? Do you have something on you that I could actually arrest you for? and that's their objective. Like they're fishing, they're hunting. And they're doing this when they're just sort of chilling on their own without a call they have to kind of go to.

But they're also doing it again. If someone calls the cops and the cops show up, yes, the cops are kind of listening to what the person told them was happening. But they're also kind of looking around like, is there anything more juicy? Is there anything they're not telling me? Or are they lying to me? and I would say I'm still not very experienced but it seems to me that the

the key to being good at the profession is I mean number one keeping your composure at all the times no matter what wacky thing is happening that's really hard sometimes particularly if things are violent and things are just changing around you

but also to actually be paying attention to what is going on and figuring out quickly and deciding how you're going to respond to, what do I have right now? I'm called for something. Am I getting called because of a crime or a mental health crisis or a medical aid or is just a dead body? Because maybe they died of natural causes. But what the call tells you you have can change because of what you see and hear, what is happening right this moment. And I'm sure our guys would agree that police body cams have been a net positive for everyone looking at this sort of landscape.

Yes, lots of police incompetence or misbehavior or criminal activity has been exposed. And that was kind of the point originally. But also just lots of stuff that's embarrassing and horrible. that actually redounds to cop's credit, like, wow, this police officer is being really patient with this insane animal

they're dealing with. But not only that, if you watch police body cams that are released, you can see over and over again how fast the situation goes from like, oh, how's it going to bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, ah, you know, just complete chaos,

murder, attack, knife. And a lot of times on these police body cam playbacks. They have to freeze frame it and draw a red circle around the knife. The guy was definitely trying to plunge into the cop's neck because some normal person watching it would be like, wait, what? What just happened? That person kind of flailed in there. Now they're getting shot like 15 times. No, no, no, like they had a knife. The cop either saw the knife or just reacted to flailing crazy person and then they got lucky because the person happened to have a knife in their hand. Because things just happened. Things happen really quickly.

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And you said politely ask, are you being detained, you know, whether you are detained and then ask why you are detained. Like I said, that sounds like that typical sovereign citizen libertarian bullshit. So why would you do that? Well, I mean, if you're stopped while you're driving, then you are detained. So it's more a question of, hey, why did you stop me? And you have to look at your local situation, but the cop might be legally required to tell you why he stopped you, depending on where you live. Because again, if you're, sorry, short version, if you're in your car, you are detained for just to get a ticket. Again, there's a great area.

They don't necessarily have the right to like, you know, to pat you down. but they can generally get you out of your car because car stops are very dangerous. So if you're stopped and you're in your car, you are detained. Your passengers might not be. Again, look at the laws for your area. But the reason you would ask this if you're just sort of on your feet somewhere chatting,

well, the reason you would ask, if a cop's chatting you up, again, they might really be chatting you up. Like, they're humans. They, you know, they might want to talk about the game or whatever. But if they're talking to you, you and they start asking like stuff for like, hey, why are you asking me this? Are you trying to figure out if I'm doing crime right now? If you ask like, hey, man, like, sorry, am I detained right now?

Am I detained? They have to tell you yes or no. If they say no and you feel like just leaving, you can just leave. But if they say yes, well, that means not only can you not leave yet, and they can't detain you forever because detain is like, I'm stopping you, you can't leave yet, but you're not under arrest yet. I can detain you long enough to do a little investigating and figure out if I'm going to arrest you. And again, a lot of this is very gray area stuff.

The same way, if someone, if a cop pulls you over for a citation, like, hey, you, you know, your registration, your taillight, if that's all they have, if they didn't see anything, they don't smell alcohol on you, whatever. If they don't find something better than your dumb little citation and you're cooperative, then they can only legally detain you long enough to write that ticket. And if they detain you longer because they're trying to fish for something else and they don't find anything else, well, then you have a case. You have a fun little case where you can get a nice settlement out of them. But if you're on your feet, you ask that question. If they say yes, well, then you can't leave.

And if you're detained, you have to identify yourself. Like if you're just chatting and they ask you your name, you don't got to tell them. But if you're detained and you don't if you don't provide identification because of legal detention,

then now they have obstructing their investigation. Now they have something a little more. They can maybe arrest you for that. So that's why, again, the sovereign citizen thing is annoying, again, like, that's why I said politely. You know, if you just like yell,

am I detained at a cop? Like, maybe they're like, okay, never mind. Like, excuse me. But then I'd be like, oh, really? Why are you? so why are you being weird about being detained? Or like, why are you asking this question so aggressively, guy?

You know, some of them might be like, it's not worth it, but some would be like, oh, now I'm curious. And if a cop's curious about you, not a great spot to be in. Does not. Some of them are quite patient when they're curious, patient enough to like, follow you around for a little while and see if they see anything. One of the other things that you mentioned is, is if you do get arrested, you know, basically you have to give over your identification.

but don't talk, you know, don't talk without a lawyer, and preferably a lawyer who's one of our guys. And, yeah, it's another libertarian thing. There's a really short book. It's like 125 pages by a guy named James Dwayne, college professor. It's called You Have the Right to Remain. I think it's innocent or something like that. And basically what he says in there is,

and, you know, maybe you can speak to this, is that if a cop asks you, they're like, they're trying to figure out if you were involved in a robbery. And they ask you 100 questions, and you answer two of those questions that will seem to incriminate yourself.

Even if there are, the way you answer the question in the 98 ones, in the 98 previous questions, exonerate you, they can, they only have to submit those two questions. Those other 98 questions get thrown out, and you can't say, well, I answered that back here and submit that as evidence. So don't answer shit.

I mean, don't talk, say anything until you're, you know, until a lawyer is there. Because if they're asking you questions, they're trying to implicate you. And the system is set up so that even if you've already exonerated yourself, if you say anything that makes it seem like you're, guilty, you can end up doing, you know, doing a couple years or even more. And they are, they may already know that you're innocent. The other thing that's relevant here, again, people are newer to this landscape. The threshold for arresting someone is considerably lower than the threshold for finding someone guilty in a court of law. So even if, even if you don't do anything or say anything, the cops could get you because there's just enough from their perspective, you know, like a 51% kind of thing. They could arrest you and they can sort of, they can calm their conscience by being like, look, it's not up to me, probably won't get filed. This person's going to get out of jail tomorrow morning. And like, it's annoying. But like, particularly in the cases of domestic violence, a lot of times it's kind of she said he said, he said,

situation and if someone said there was violence, sometimes that's all that they need to put someone in jail, specifically so that the situation doesn't continue that same night. Because, as I say, my piece as well, if you blow off a domestic violence or just a domestic verbal argument call, if you're like, he's lying, she's lying, this is annoying, I've been here before, probably you're right, but if you blow that off and then later that same evening, maybe even after you're done with your shift, if that situation continues and someone gets very badly hurt or killed, they're going to go back to the previous call like, hey, why didn't you investigate this further? We looked at your whole body cam. You seem like you're not doing your job properly. Who's going to get fired and sued and prosecuted? The guy who blew it off. So it's, and again, look at your local situation, look at your whole body cam. You seem like you're not doing your job properly. Who's going to get fired and sued and prosecuted. The guy who blew it off. So it's, and again, look at your local situation. Look at your local situation. Look at your. And look at your state laws. And even policy, like every department has their own policies. They're right about in this situation, you will X and Y.

And not everybody knows all of them. And doing the right thing at the right time is generally more powerful than any given policy. But people are pretty meticulous about following those kind of policies. Like, hey, I'm going to cover my tail here and, yo, I don't see anything. But like she said you hit her. so you're going to jail, man, sorry. Oh, do you have any guns in the house? Yeah, we're going to go ahead and seize those for now

because we're arresting you for domestic violence, so guns, where are they? Just keep in mind. And something else I write in the piece is like, be careful who you live with. You know, if you're, if you have any concerns about getting in, like, dangerous arguments with the people you live with,

whether it's your, your spouse or family people or room, whatever it is, if you're worried about the people you live with, and particularly if you live near enough to your neighbors where they can call the cops because there's some noise. Well, there'll be reports written about that if you have like some blow-up fight, even if no one hits nobody. The cops will write a report if there was like a domestic verbal argument, like if you admit to it. I mean, if you and your lady are awake and you have like, oh, we fight, we're loud, we're intimidated, but the cops show up and you're like, oh, nothing happened. Nothing happened. No, nothing.

What are you talking about? No. She says nothing happened. You said anything happened. Then they leave. They might write down that you said that. They might report saying, we went there, neighbors said this, both people, this person, this person, their name, their date of birth. You know, they'll have you in the system.

But it's like, we shut up there and then nobody said to anything happened. And they might, it may be even boring how long they try to talk to both of you like, hey, no, it's okay. You can tell me. Like, did he? Did she? If you and your people are like, no, even if we have like a big bad fight, we're not going to involve the cops at all with this. and you like legit, stick to that, then they have nothing. But they'll still probably write down your names,

so be better to not get in fights with your person. You can help that. So I write the piece. ESB transformed how the country powered itself once. And now we're doing it again. Working with businesses all across Ireland, helping them reduce their energy costs, reach their sustainability goals,

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Get into that, especially what not to say. Oh, yes. Yeah. I made that one pretty short because, again, I'm uneasy about making pronouncements, because, again, every state has different laws about what the cops have to do about this. but if you are placed on a mandatory psych hold, the things to not say in front of mandatory mandated reporters is if you admit that you are homicidal or suicidal, or if you're just like if your life is such a train wreck

that you're like a kind of crazy homeless person level of like crazy. I mean, I don't think any of our guys are in danger of getting this bad. But there's criteria where a mandated reporter calls the cops. And if they talk to you and, you know, you kind of show those symptoms, show that, you know, if you're, if you're homicidal or suicidal, they're going to put you on the hold. And you're not technically arrested. You're detained for further monitoring the words for it. But, but you will be put in handcuffs. They will, you know, use force on you if you don't cooperate with them.

and they will seize your firearms. And again, whether they have to seize your firearms is state-dependent. Again, look at your state. Like, how hard over is your state on if someone gets put on a psych hold that you seize their firearms? So, again, like, a great way to get your firearms joint in, like, you know, lickety-split is have a really bad fight or hit your wife or tell a mandated reporter that you're suicidal or homicidal. Like that that's the fastest way all of, you know, years you've spent, you know, getting stuff, you know, just so. They're going to try to find all of them and seize them all.

And in the cases of in both, I think the psych one, again, this is all state dependent, when or if you can get that stuff back, you have to look up what the law would be like in your state. But in some cases, the time that your stuff would be on ice before you could get it back is less than the time the agencies would wait before they just destroy it because they don't hold things that long. So, like, you could get your shit seized and they could throw it in an incinerator or, like, I don't know what happens. Maybe people just take them home. I don't know. But, like, your shit is gone. Your guns and your ammo.

All of it. all the stuff they can find anyway, all the stuff in your name. Again, if you're in a state that does that stuff. So, again, I wrote, again, very briefly, if you're hurting, if you have an issue, I'm not flipping about if someone's having a spiritual or mental health crisis. Like people, you know, we need to take care of ourselves. We need to talk to people if we're hurting. But again, I'm not even against using, you know, talk therapy or mental health services.

but like do not tell mandated reporters that you are suicidal or homicidal. Like never, never. And definitely don't tell a cop you're suicidal or homicidal. Do not tell them that. Even if you are. Because, I mean, you can become not suicidal. You can become not homicidal. But if they take your stuff, that might be it.

It might just be gone forever. And now you, now if you want to have that stuff, now you're a criminal again for even more than just carrying it. like even possessing it at all, that's a problem. Again, and if you're, where's it, if it could seize because you were arrested for domestic violence, well, let's say it gets thrown out. You know, it doesn't get filed. Like, okay, well, you can get your stuff back in like a week or something.

It depends on what the circumstances are. So getting arrested doesn't necessarily mean your stuff's gone forever. It's still bad. It's still not good. But a psych hold is, I would say, worse, even than getting arrested for something. in terms of your stuff getting taken and you don't get it back. I think another thing people need to realize is even if the officer is trying to help you,

it has your best interest at heart, when it comes to these, when it comes to psych holds and things like that and mental health, I mean, if they put you into the system, you're getting put into like stormy set up there, you're just getting into automation. And you can end up in a facility. shut up with drugs against your will. And the cop may not want that to happen,

but if you tell him that you're having a problem like that, he has to report it, and then you're being handed over to people who don't care about you as an individual. They're, quote unquote, trying to protect the public. And one of the ways they may be protecting the public from you is by, I mean, just pumping you full of drugs. And I know people that this has happened soon.

Yeah, you don't get to, I mean, you could decide to not eat, but like once you're in the system, once you're incarcerated, I mean, you eat what they can give you to eat and they might make you take medication. They might forcibly inject you.

I mean, they might just give you pills and watch you take them, but they might inject you with stuff forcibly. They might like hold you down and inject you with things. If they think that's what you need. And again, particularly if you're extra uncivilized when you're dealing with this whole system, if you're, if you're civilized, it doesn't mean they won't do this stuff to you, but like if you're uncivilized in any part of this process, law enforcement have actually a lot of rules and a lot of scrutiny preventing them from, you know, being,

old-fashioned thugs to you. But if you're, if you're like actively resisting or attacking them, well, then they can just get to be thugs. And it's great. They get permission to do what they kind of want to do, a lot of them. They want to get in fights and win. And they don't fight fair. They don't want to fight fair.

And that's fine. Again, like apprehending people, it's not fair in any direction, you know? Someone could just like become the devil in front of you and pull a gun. And you're like, whoa, I thought we were talking about stuff. Oh, the whole thing. So they've learned that fighting fair is not good for them. They want to go home to their family. Again, like, law enforcement types, they're basically, like, a lot of them just normal,

conservative, unerotic people who just want to, like, do their job and not get fired and not get sued and prosecuted and go into their families. And, I mean, post-2020, and I'm sure earlier than that, like, when you're a law enforcement person, there's a lot of people. there's a lot of incentives now to not advertise such a thing when you're off duty. Because, I mean, like anything, people can just come at you. You will probably forget almost everyone you've arrested, but they probably won't forget you. There's lots of stories, and they go around.

Again, they go around this culture, all-enforcement culture. Like, oh, yeah, this guy's off-duty, he's just like ordering it a fast-to-joint, And then some mobster, some gangster, he locked away a while ago, just put a gun in his ear. And that's it for him. Like, no warning nothing, like a mob hit. So even in in off-duty world, vigilance is necessary. And that's another lesson for our guys. Like, people might want to get a piece of you.

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And, you know, our guys, guys like Jay Ford and Mellon and Not Me, Not You, they were down for Hurricane Helene in on the ground watching how things were carried out when you know trying to provide mutual aid for for our people who were who were hurt down there who are suffering um so talk a little bit about that because you you will if this happens in your area or you know if the you know the end of the world as we know it happens I think most police are going to be worried about their own families and you know probably seeking to take care of them but we're talking about here like terrorist attack natural disaster riots even disease outbreak. So talk a little bit about what you wrote about here as far as what we should know about how you guys operate.

Sure. Again, just sort of as an object lesson, when something, sort of, I sort of had two sections or two sort of ways it could go. If we have some advanced notice or like, ah, the air is a little electric. We're going to be more vigilant. we think something's going to happen or something scheduled to happen that we expect to be trouble. Well, then in the case of law enforcement, we're on alert. People are called even if they're off duty. Hey, make sure your gear is in order. Your riot gear is in order. Make sure that if you get called and you have to go somewhere, you can get there quickly and have all your stuff together.

And you can, you know, get in a skirmish line or just break into little squads or whatever and do what needs to happen. And then the riot is the everyone's kind of favorite version of that. But I mean, if there's an evacuation for something like a hurricane, like a flood or a weather event, cops can be sent into areas that could be affected to advise everyone, hey, this is an evacuation order. Oh, you're not going to do it. Oh, F myself. Okay, cool. I'm running that down.

How many people in your house? Cool. Okay. So when this blows through here, we'll know how many bodies to stack, you know, to account for this house. Cool. Bye. and et cetera. Or folks want our help?

Cool. But sorry. So if there's some advance notice, then we can get geared up and stage somewhere maybe at a time or get geared up and stage right around or right before the event's supposed to take place. And actually, if a city expects a disturbance, expects a riot or expects some protest that's very rowdy,

the city can be like, hey, we expect this to go a certain way. We would like a police presence. So could you please, you know, the mayor's officer. probably say, hey, could you please, you know, get X number of people and we'll, this is how,

and we'll, they'll have a plan that they agree with, agree upon with the, the law enforcement executive. This is how we'll do this event. I mean, our event that could go good, you know, hey, we have a concert. Could you guys do security for the concert? Yeah. Here's how we'll do it. Like, just like a security company, but it's just, you know, a more muscular security company. And then when the event happens, everyone has, it could still go crazy, but everyone is a little more, they're kind of ahead of the thing. They know what to expect. And if it becomes as bad as they are worried about,

they have a plan. They know sort of what to do. They're ahead of what could be happening, maybe. But if the other version of the event is something happens without warning, or something happens and maybe local executives were in denial and did not prepare, whether that's the mayor or it's the sheriff or the police chief. Like, oh, this thing's going to happen. Eh, it'd be expensive to stage ahead of time.

or ah, like, we don't want to, uh, maybe police presence would just make it worse, which it might. So if something happens in that case, and I think the, um, well, I won't refer to specifics. Again, might blow my cover. But, um, if something happens, it sort of without warning or because no one was prepared on purpose or like no one like stage at a time, it kind of goes off like a police call that's, that's spinning out of control, like a normal one. like, you know, unit gets, we have this thing happening here. Oh, what is it? Where? Oh, okay.

First unit gets there. Oh, man, we need everybody. This is crazy. There's a, you know, in the case of a riot, oh, there's a riot. It's like, we got like 50 people smashing stuff. More people are coming and smashing stuff. Send every unit there is. You know, so then between zero and 10 minutes, I don't know, there's a handful of people, two to five.

It depends on your area. It depends on your area. Depends how many cops there are on your area. It depends on traffic. Oh, you know, all this stuff is variable. But, you know, within 10 minutes, probably a helicopter you could get there. If you have a helicopter that's near your area, you know, going ahead. Oh, more and more agencies have drones now, which are great. Drones can, and our guys could have drones. Drones, they basically let you look down as long as it is not like smoke or like weird weather things in your way.

You can look down on an event like you're in a game. Like, here's them, here's us. We can move our people like it's a little strategy game, like it's command and conquer. But if the event is kind of ahead of the response, it's everyone just kind of trickling over there. And the first person is in charge until someone a higher rank tags them out and then so on and so forth.

But if something's sort of spinning out of control, the people getting there have to figure out sort of what's happening and figure out what they're going to do and try to like organize the resources they have all at once. That's really hard. So mutual aid between agencies in a region, we train with other agencies that are sort of adjacent to our areas. And we train at least once quarterly.

And it's usually, again, like stacking up for a skirmish line for riot kind of things. And not just, you know, not just our guys in our riot gear, but do we have like armored vehicles? Do we have motorcycles that can move information? can we move police vehicles for like a rescue. We train for those kinds of things. At least it would be better probably to do it once a month. But we train with ourselves and with our like middle leadership, like sergeants, lieutenants, whatever.

And because our leadership are kind of middle officer types, they are responsible for us, you know, like the military, they're responsible for a little unit of people. and the doors go down and we're going to, you know, make lines across this intersection, this intersection, quick communication, both like out loud yelling, you know, sounding off and like yelling at your people that do stuff amidst probably, you know, and right, like a lot of noise, but also electronic communications. How fast and efficient and clear is your electronic communications describing what's going on so that the people who haven't gotten there yet have, they have the least catching up to do necessary once they get there.

Because if someone's like, doesn't know what's going on, they can't do anything. You know, the Uda loop, the Observe, Orient, decide, act, that kind of loop of like a person kind of seeing something and then reacting to it properly, speeding that up as best as possible and also interrupting your enemy's Uda loop, that's, you know, it's basic tactics. but the kind of bottom line with mutual aid is if you train and you know what to do, and particularly if you see an event coming, if you stage ahead of time and talk about what your plan might be, then even if things go differently,

and they almost certainly will, that structure will help you. And also if your local executives, again, your fire chief, your police chief, your mayor, if they are at odds, that will be very dangerous and delay action when something bad happens. But if they have a good communication, if they have a good relationship, and they can agree, they can get on the same page quickly, then that is a service to the guys actually doing stuff. Like, I'm on the skirmish line.

Now what? If they don't know now what, then it's really dangerous. So again, if you're a local situation, and again, bring it just to our guys, your chapters. Like, is your leadership structure clear? Do you know who's in charge of what? Do you know what everyone has if they're going to show up on game day? And can you plan in the next year on that plan? And can you train and train to help each other and help kind of adjacent groups or adjacent, you know, groups within your inner town?

Can you help law enforcement? I mean, again, there's opportunities for if you have a good relationship with the law enforcement in your area and they can count on you to help, Well, then they're going to be more positively disposed towards your thing, towards your people. You're there to help. You're not there to mess with them. Then everyone can just do their thing and just act. And then once you're done acting, everyone would be like, wow, that went really good. Cool.

Shake hands. See you next time. That's really neat. I'd like to talk about part three now, actually, but we have time. I was going to say jump into talking about fusion centers because this is probably the one most people, even those of us who have done deep dives into law enforcement have no real knowledge of. Yeah.

And again, part of, I think the biggest reason I wrote this is because of Stormy talking about these things. So the fusion center that sort of governed your region has law enforcement people almost certainly from either your agency that's local to you or maybe like. like a bigger one who's not so close to you, but like there are local law enforcement people who have, who are at desks at this fusion center, and they are talking with, working with not only other law enforcement types from your region, but, you know, name your feds, probably DHS, almost certainly FBI, and whatever else. But the fusion centers are

sort of branded as state funded. And I guess they're technically state funded. But They are an appendage of DHS. And the pretense for these things was the regime narrative about how 9-11 was allowed to happen. There was insufficient sharing of intel between agencies. Well, just carry that to its conclusion. You don't just want intel sharing between agencies at the federal level. You want intel sharing between the federal agencies and your local agencies. and not just intel sharing, but like cooperation.

And I mean, local law enforcement is happy to receive money from the feds. And I'm almost positive that local law enforcement receives money from the feds in exchange for doing these DHS kind of terrorism and cyber trainings, basically training local cops to report suspicious activity, which is super vague. They can do a suspicious activity report if they think, someone might be an in-cell type, or if they think you're a white supremacist, if they see a patch you're wearing, or if they see a poster in your house when they just say hello for something else, or if you're a little too flamboyant about, you know, your extreme radicalism, they

might be like, I have no crime here, but I'm going to write a SAR and get it to the desk of whatever local law enforcement or Fed is at my local fusion center. That's kind of where it starts. sure if it gets really serious, again, it goes up to the federal level. It goes to their Fed office where they're fed offices. And there are Homeland Security offices as well. They're around. There's FBI offices around. But the diffusion centers is that a membrane. It's between local law enforcement and federal law enforcement. And they conduct these trainings. And I'm going in the piece, the basic kind of terrorism and counterterrorism training and cybersecurity training. It's mostly directing local law enforcement types to, if they have something like that, to write a good report about it and pass it up the chain, not just through their agency, but to loop in the Fusion Center person, whether it's an analyst who gets it, or whether it's a law enforcement officer or deputy at the desk, they can bring those federal resources.

And in the case of cybersecurity, you know, someone could get, like, hacked or get scanned. and some international piece of shit could, you know, have tons of their money, like insane, a gobs of, you know, of money they just, or crypto they've stolen. And you need federal resources, possibly, you know, international, federal, you know, Interpol resources to maybe stop that, that, you know, that scam or that cybercrime. So there's, there's, like, you know, good for regular people reasons why this works. Like, oh, this person got scanned, when, yesterday. Oh, man, we might be able to stop this.

cool, perfectly reasonable. But same thing. But that same system, that same kind of like muscle memory of, oh, this is a thing where I pass it up the chain. And the same way I'd pass a homicide up the chain. Like I'm not a homicide detective. So if I have a dead body and it seems like maybe a homicide, well, then my job is the kind of regular guy on the street is, okay, I need to just like make sure this scene doesn't

get disturbed and sit on it and record who comes and goes, but pass it up the chain to the homicide detective. Well, if you're maybe an extremist and the cop thinks you are, then they might, or a civilian who notices, some libitard neighbor or whoever, they might just write a sorrow about you and it gets to the desk. And a lot of them come in because, again, like anything, people can just write these things from anywhere, by the way.

So the person on the desk is sifting through this stuff. And they might be like, oh, another freaking crazy person. This is nothing, you know, close it, close it, close it, close it. But they might go, huh. Oh, okay. I've heard about this person before. Okay, let's take a look. And the trainings, again, bracket this, it's hard to avoid the current moment with, you know,

the assassinations that took place. The, as far as I know now, at this moment in, you know, late 2025, the trainings for terrorism, counterterrorism is still the sort of regime, libitarded, anti-facts, fascist line of, oh, we're very, very concerned about white supremacist violence. And, oh, Antifa. Oh, I've heard of them. But, oh, that's individuals are committing crimes and they can be arrested for rightous

behavior. But, like, there's no headquarters of Antifa. There's no, like, club you can, you know, have your club card of. So, like, I don't know. I don't know about Antifa. That's weird. You know, they basically pretend like Antifa isn't real. And that's quite annoying for, again, not even.

awake people like me, but just like regular law enforcement types who are like not libtards. They're just like, why are you pretending this isn't real? We just saw them burn this place down five years ago. Like what? And it's again, a lot of these like FBI analyst types are living in living in a world made of paper. And paper delivered to them by, you know, people we know, the enemy. So I, I, it's possible that the recent events and this current administration, at least elements within it,

it's possible they will start training local law enforcement to take antipat types or these trinissary types as seriously, more seriously than this like pretend white supremacist ghoul they've invented that's not real. But I wouldn't be too optimistic about them doing it because even if they change the PowerPoint deck, until they swap out the people,

the people who are, annoyed by your Fourth Amendment rights, who, like, they'll do anything they can to try to, like, place your activity in an international terrorist frame so they can then use international terrorist machinery at the federal level to spy on you. Until those people get swapped out with people who are more our kind of people, I just don't foresee the training changing. So, again, And the fusion centers, to the best of their ability, are turning local law enforcement people into tiny little microphones, tiny little magnifying glasses and tiny little guns that do the bidding of the feds if they can manage it. And again, every individual law enforcer is their own person. They have to have their own sort of moral decisions about what they enforce and don't enforce and notice and not notice.

And every leadership structure is different. You know, some sheriff, some chiefs are like based and so glad that they're based. Some are politicians, literally politicians. They want to get reelected if they're a sheriff. Who's the voting constituency? Who do they have to appeal to? You know, and again, a sheriff has to get reelected. That's its own sort of minefield.

A police chief gets appointed or fired by their executive. So they have to please one person who might be a total liptard. So just you have to know what the incentives are. And how much your local law enforcers are cooperating with this system that definitely exists. It definitely is like they could be submitting SARS if they see stuff. If they feel like being Mr. Gung-ho anti-fascist, they can be doing that. So that's, I mean, the incentive for that is, again, if you know your local cops, they might turn on you like that.

They might not. But just know that like there's someone at your local cops. level or maybe a town or two over, maybe who works at that desk or has worked at that desk and has a nice relationship and likes the pat on the head, likes helping the feds. And like I said with the cyber thing, there are upsides to this. Again, the DHS, ICE has been stalking the land like avenging angels. And some local police chiefs where I am are exasperated because these guys are popping up and just grabbing people and driving away and not telling anyone. And if one of our people pulls someone over and, oh, there's a little, maybe there's a little

illegal reentry thing here. Oh, it's not a criminal warrant, but like, what's going on? Call the number. Hey, DHS, I call this number. What's happening with this guy? And they're like, oh, oh, hey, just to stay put. Just wait. What do you mean?

Oh, we'll send someone, okay, to what? Oh, to like arrest them and deport them. Oh, great. Cool. That'd be great. And sometimes, not all the time. but sometimes when they do that, they scrub the whole event from the records.

Like, no, no, this stop never happened. Your body cam footage is deleted. Like, bye. And like, again, that's cool when it's someone I would like to be not in my country. But they can just do that. They can just reach out and make events go away. But that's also, again, a perverse white pill in a way. like even your local law enforcers, if they have a mind to, they can make stuff go away.

And if they're on your team, well then, good. That's kind of the point of the piece. Yeah, the people may hear, oh, you know, the, my local law enforcement has direct access to the feds. And, you know, Donald Trump's president now. So that means that, um, yeah. everything. No. No, there's people working in the federal government who are regime, you know, the 100-plus-year-old regime aligned that just haven't been removed yet and probably will not be. So you can't just assume, oh, these guys are, you know, they're getting information about my enemies.

No, you might be the enemy. It reminds me of Trevor Aronson's book, the Terror Fetra. factory where he basically detailed how the FBI created all of these terror attacks in the United States just so that they could solve them. They had radicalized some retard. Armum. Shom had a where he'd go to buy bomb parts and stuff like that and then arrest him. And then at the end, and you're like, wow, this is amazing information about the FBI. And then you get to the end of it and you're like, okay, who did.

Who told Trevor Aronson to write this book? Because in the last chapter, he complains that, yeah, they're targeting these poor brown people who came here from other countries. But what they really should be worrying about is the rising white supremacy and how violent they're going to be. Oh, it's just regime brain. That's just regime brain, you know. They are willing into existence, their nightmares. in a way. I mean, it's literally like, you know, the fire department,

fire department going around and setting fires so that they have something to do, and then getting someone to write an article or write a book about how the fire department was doing this, but you really have to worry about white supremacists because they're the ones who are the arsonists. That's incumbent upon, again, us and our thing, again, it's incumbent, just, it's a, it's a, A reminder, a small sidebar, yeah, there's definitely analysts watching us on social media and et cetera. And a lot of them think we're funny. So just keep on, guys.

You might be radicalizing your FBI guy, like the meme. So there's that. But I mean, it's incumbent on us. Yeah, we want to have fun. And this thing is exciting, but it's dangerous. And also, like, this event that just happened is an opportunity. for, again, we're not, we're not Jova's witnesses, as Thomas says. But there are people who might be like elites in waiting who are open to,

open for business. Like who do I, obviously, the team I was on is getting, it's butt-wipped. What team do I need to be on to not get my butt-wipped? And if we're conducting ourselves, you know, in a civilized, heterosexual Caucasian manner, then maybe, maybe those people, will want to be in our thing and help us, or at least not hurt us. All right. Makes sense, Ben.

I know you got a heart out and I got a hard out. So I just wanted to take the time to thank you for writing that. I mean, it's pretty, very informative, a lot more information in there than I was expecting. And, you know, for those who haven't done deep dives on exactly how the police work, they'll, it'll be a good primer for them with good, with good, with good, on how to deal with that if you have to, and then also these fusion centers to just understand that, you know, we're not out of the woods.

If you're somebody who, you know, is, you know, one of our guys, you're not out of the woods and your local, you know, there are local police who may be getting radicalized to,

worry about people like you and, you know, hopefully not, but potentially target you. So, yeah, I appreciate it, man.

Yeah. So glad to be on here, very honored. And great to talk with you, Pete. It's wonderful. This whole thing is scary, but it's... It's scary, but it's important. You know, this whole thing is important. And it's practical matters.

So glad to help. Well, you're a very intelligent, man, and you know what you're talking about. So, I mean, it's all you have to do is basically tell your story and talk about what you know. And, yeah, usually things go smooth. All right. Take care. Thank you. Thanks, Pete.