The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1274: The Post-Kirk Era w/ Kevin DeAnna (Greg Hood)

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

63 MinutesPG-13Kevin DeAnna is a writer and podcaster who works for American Renaissance.Kevin joins Pete to give his opinion of what America's present and future is/will be in the post-martyrdom of Charlie Kirk era. Identity PoliticsKevin at American RenaissanceKevin on Twitter/XPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. It is getting tiresome trying to kill off all these different pen names, which I think sometimes came with alternate personalities too. So it can be a little so sometimes. Well, some people have, every once in a while someone will refer to me as the hardest working man in podcasting.

When you're talking into a microphone, when you're talking into a microphone, and it's not that difficult. Yeah, you just really have to know how to schedule well. You're probably the hardest working man, I know, because not only are you podcasting and live streaming, but you write all the time. And so, and I respect the hell out of you, and I've wanted to get you on for a little while now,

especially since I look at things as there are events. I think October 7th was a seminal event that has changed the world forever. and I think that the Charlie Kirk assassination, we will not talk about conspiracies today. We will just take it as the man is dead and he was killed in public. Well, that's our assumption. I think it's a good assumption. I think this is another one of those. So tell me what were you thinking that day and where did your mind immediately go?

Well, the first thing that I posted when it happened, even before, oh, was he actually, because remember initially there were all these different reports, is he actually dead? There were some reports saying he'd gone to the hospital or people obviously who I know who knew him who were reporting to me as things were happening, and they weren't even sure whether he was alive or dead initially. But the very first thing I posted was, this is the beginning of the American years of lead. And that assumption has not quite gone away. I don't think we're anywhere near the level, well, not that I think, we're objectively not near the level of political violence we saw in this country in the late 60s and early 70s. But the atmosphere of existential political struggle I think is even stronger than it was then. One of the big things that I've hammered away on, and people can disagree with me on this if they want, but I think right and left are actually meaningful concepts, that there is a right and there is a left. And there's going to be no peace between them, especially not in our lifetime. Nobody is pretending anymore that there's any discussion to be had. There's no common ground that's even possible. And the reason for that

is because we're not talking about things like how do we distribute national wealth. We're not talking about things about like how do we keep the country safe or something like that. It's essentially just a battle of us v. then. And if left and right are meaningless political concepts, it's because those have just become a cover for my tribe versus your tribe. And Kirk being slain, especially the way he was slain, it was almost a perfect script-written presentation of the time for talk is over. There is nothing more to discuss. I'm not interested in having a debate with any of these people. And they're not interested in having a debate with me. And more to it, and this may be a bit more difficult for all of us. For those of us on the right, we all have our different ideological disagreements.

We all have the things that we value. I've often said, I think there's only one left, but there are many rights. But regardless of what we think about each other or what we think about our own motivations, we're all in the same pot here. We're all in this together, whether we like it or not, because ultimately it's not about what we think. It's about what they think because they're the ones with a gun to our heads. one of the things that I saw yesterday was like oh Stephen Crowder is going to go back out there and do his change my mind thing and you know there's a a kid who is taking over for Charlie Kirk who looks like yeah nobody that's designed everybody's already dunking on him nobody's nobody's going for that I mean he was created in a lab and you need 80 200 in Tel Aviv I mean it's just it's so obvious it's insane But people are, you know, my guys, you know, like the old glory club, we were saying, why are you doing this? There's no conversation to be had anymore.

I mean, it's like, oh, and people are like, oh, well, now you're just going to be cowards. This is like sticking it in their face that, you know, we're not scared anymore. No, you just don't, people, I mean, how incredible is it that we have every book we can study the Spanish Civil War? We can study the years of lead. We can study all these things. And it's like, look, the only thing you should be doing right now is figuring out people in your area that you can team up with and basically plan. I'm not saying to you're going to plan to be revolutionaries.

You're going to plan to go look for trouble. But you're planning because where this goes goes beyond showing up on campuses to go, oh, debate me, bro. Yeah, and there's something that revolts me about the whole debate culture that's sort of grown up online because it's not a real debate. I mean, everything is just sort of,

you recite some talking points as quickly as possible. You try to get a clip out of context, your guys dunk on people forever, and a lot of it has to do with manipulating social media as opposed to making a good argument. That's how it's become on college campuses as well. To have a meaningful debate, to have a debate where it's actually worth doing the research and making real arguments

and everything else, there has to be at least some common ground. We have to at least have a shared conception of the good. And we do not have that anymore. I mean, one of the things that really struck me the most after Charlie Kirk was assassinated was when the black president of, I believe, the student union at Oxford, who was just this slob who they admitted and gave the job to, because he's so unimpressive. If he was impressive, they wouldn't have let him in, they wouldn't have given him his job, was openly celebrating that he had been killed.

And this is a guy who had debated Kirk not long ago. And that struck me because when you know someone, even if you meet them briefly, and this is one of the things they tell you when you're doing sales or something like that, if you have any kind of a personal relationship with someone, however brief, even if you didn't like that person, if you found out something bad happened to them,

it tends to really affect you. You tend to feel really, bad about it in the immediate aftermath. His instant reaction with everything that was going on was to celebrate, was to indulge in his bloodlust, even with, maybe especially with the position that he has. Tell me what we're supposed to do with a person like that. Why exactly are we supposed to talk to this person? What common interest could I possibly have with this? How is this anything other than an enemy to be avoided, expelled or destroyed. So that's simple. I think one of the problems is is that people think winning is owning people online. Yeah, 100%. You've had this. Yeah. You got

We have to define our terms here. And people on the right like to talk about power, but people on the left actually pursue power. And what power really means is it means being able to transfer, resources, including the most precious resource, which is safety away from your enemies and toward your friends. It's a very practical thing. You can power something that can be quantified. And what we're seeing in the aftermath is this argument from Republicans and from campus conservatives and the rest of, well, let's continue the conversation. Let's appeal to the left's morality. Remember Ted Cruz making this sickening bag basically saying, well, we need, this was after the ice shooting. I should.

clarify, we need to get the Democrats to stop using this violent rhetoric comparing ICE officers to Nazis or whatever else, but they do think you're Nazis. They actually think that. That's not just their retarded opinion and they're playing a game. They believe that. And therefore, they think they're justified in doing this to you. And I assume Ted Cruz also thinks it's justified in doing that to Nazis. So what now? What exactly are you going to say to them to dissuade them from this course of action. There comes a point where we really have to talk less about ideas, particularly with people that we have nothing in common with, not even the basic idea of truth, and start talking in real terms about what it means to be organized, what it means to pursue power,

what it means to be able to protect ourselves, even at the most basic level. Because what I'm afraid of, especially with the second Trump administration, and I know everybody loves to dunk on him, I'm afraid that five years from now we really are going to look back on this as the golden age, because this is as good as it gets. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before you drive.

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And now it seems like they're calling you a Nazi so that it's okay to kill you. And I don't think people get that. Orrin McIntyre, Reason Magazine of all things, the frigging L'Lau Central, like wrote an article. article basically saying, and this was a hit piece on Orrin just a few days ago saying he invokes Carl Schmidt. Yeah. And Orrin said, look, don't take this as them calling me a Nazi because they think I'm a Nazi. They're calling me a Nazi because they do think I'm a Nazi, but they want me dead. They're trying to get me shot. And that's what people don't realize. That's where we're at now. The best case scenario is they just want you to have fired and they want your family to starve.

That's the friendly interpretation that they just want you fired and your family to starve. But that's not it anymore, is it? No, it's not. Everybody wants, oh, let's set up a booth on campus to own the libs while people are dying. Did you see when those manga, there's a couple days after Kirk was assassinated, maybe a week and a half. I talked about identity politics, I think, two episodes back. these white kids went to Tennessee State. Now, Tennessee State is a historically black college.

President Trump actually just dramatically increased the amount of taxpayer money that goes to these institutions. And a bunch of white kids sat up a table on campus, and they were just set upon people screaming, destroying their stuff, making threats. Eventually, the campus kicked them off. The campus president made this whole little statement about how they were the ones who were causing danger and everything else. And what was interesting is when these kids were coming.

up, they were making these claims that you think are just on sort of crazy black schizo TikTok or something. But no, these, this is what black college students believe that white people are savages who didn't know how to read or write until blacks taught them. They invented science, they invented math. They're the ones who did everything. And so therefore, white people have no rights and they can do whatever they want. This, the most insane racial resentment has been so deeply internalized by non-whites. And among whites and Jews, I think this idea that everybody on the right is actually a fascist. I mean, one of the things I would add to what you just said, I think 15 years ago, they would call you a Nazi to get you in trouble, but they didn't really

believe you are a Nazi. Now they really believe you're a Nazi. They really do believe what they're saying. They really do believe you're a fascist. And how do you do with fascist? You deal with it the way the partisans dealt with Mussolini. That is what they are saying. And there's no reason to disbelieve them at this point. This is something that has been brewing for a very long time, not just in academia, but probably more relevantly in pop culture, because basically since 2016, we've been in this brown scare where every video game, every movie, every television show tells us that there's this secret network of Nazis that's controlling America behind the scenes and that the true enemy of World War II was not in fact Germany or Italy, but the racist

oligarchs within our own country. And now those racist oligarchs are in charge and Trump is their head. It doesn't matter if we believe any of that. It doesn't matter if we believe that Trump is the farthest thing from this and is actually just a slave to a foreign power. You can say whatever you want about the president. The people who are willing to take up arms believe this. and the academics and the entertainment media moguls and the politicians who support these people, including the well-heeled legal and judicial networks, the lawyers and the judges who are willing to give these guys a slap on the wrist or get them off entirely. They all believe this too, and that's what we have to deal with. Well, if it takes 10 or 15 years for it to go from,

oh, we really don't think you're Nazis, we're just going to say that to get you fired, to we really think you're Nazis. How long is it? Is it going to take for people on the right to be like, yeah, you know, I'm not a Nazi. I'm just like a normal, you know, I'm a normal person who wants to grill to maybe there's something to this, you know, maybe. I mean, that's already happening, right? That's already happening to some extent. I was on yesterday, this guy, the warrior philosopher was on.

And obviously, if you know him, you know, not talking about like racial politics, we're talking about ideology and stuff. We were talking a lot about pre-war Italy or rather post-war War I Italy, Denonzeo and things like that. And there's this show M. Son of the Century, which is another example of this fascist panic I'm talking about. They literally have the Mussolini guy turned toward the camera and go, make Italy great again, where it's like, okay, yeah, very on the nose here. But there's a scene where one of the fascists is killed by the communists. And Italio Balbo leads the black shirts on a raid on these Communist Party headquarters. And they're screaming, you know, where is the comrade, wherever Florio,

and their friend who was killed and everyone's going, presente. And when you see that segment now on YouTube, all the comments are like, where is the comrade Charlie Kirk? Presente. Where is the comrade Charlie Kirk? There was an incident when I was first starting off in politics. It was a very long time ago, very minor incident. But there was a college Republican convention where a bunch of college Republicans, this is during the Bush era, were singing a song called Stop

out the Reds. And one of the lyrics was basically, we're grinding their guts underneath our panzers or something like that. It was this kind of a song. I don't even know where it came from. I've never heard it before or since. And everybody went nuts. It was a huge media scandal. The very idea that people would not just say something like this, but would just identify with this within their own heads was truly shocking. Now it's just taken for granted. I've been among some of the most milk toast college Republicans and someone will just playfully throw up a Roman. Everybody just kind of accepts it and move on. And this is not the way it was 15 years ago. And this is very much an age thing because someone like me

is immediately uncomfortable in looking around because I'm like, guys, don't you understand. This could be a whole thing. Kids now, they don't care. I think they understand at a gut level that we're past all this. And while Boomer conservatives, I think, are going to still be playing the post-World War II playbook, I mean, anyone who's on the right, who's Gen Z or younger, I mean, they're talking about things like the Ardidi and they're not ashamed. Well, how does this, how do you see this playing out? Like, I think there are still a lot of people on the right who are waiting for, like, and I'm not talking about, you know, oh, you need to form militias or anything. like that. I'm talking about, you know, you should be forming fraternities. You should be forming people and getting together with people in your area. Should be joining ICE too. I mean, yes. Yeah. I mean, if you were like, I mean, you referred to the Spanish Civil War, right? I mean, what were the other than getting the, the legionnaires over from Africa and the Moroccans and the

rest of it with the airlifts? I mean, what was the big thing that determined whether a city went with the Republic or went with the nationals to the beginning? What happened? What happened? with the Civil Guard and what happened with the assault guard. And these sorts of forces, personnel is policy, right? And it's very important that really for the first time in my entire life, you have a government bureaucracy, an armed government bureaucracy, that is recruiting our type of person. And I think you're out of your mind. If you don't have anything going on right now and you're looking for a job, you don't think about this a little bit. And incidentally, there's also doing another hiring thing to go over immigration application. So if you just want an office

job, if you're maybe a bit older or not in the best shape or something, these jobs are now available too. What happens with these sorts of bureaucracies is going to be extremely critical going forward because during the first Trump administration, one of the main reasons he couldn't get anything done is because they really botched the hiring process. And they've done a much better job this time. And the way that they're getting around the opposition of things like the FBI is not just decapitating at the top and putting one of their guys in charge, but they're essentially replacing them. I mean, if you look at a lot of these raids that are taking place against anti-fawn, things like that, it's, it's ICE. Why is ICE getting involved in domestic law enforcement of this kind? But that's what's happening. And I think to

some extent, it's because it's the only armed body of guys that they can count on. So it's not just a question of organizing within your own community and a lot of the things that we've talked about. I mean, obviously I agree with all of that, but there are opportunities that are available now, which I do not think are going to be available much longer. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items, all reduced to clear. From home essentials to seasonal must-habs.

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Yeah, that's going to happen anyway. Right. But the more of our guys who are in there can basically not de-escalate, but actually be able to talk to people and go, no, we shouldn't be doing this. Or just basically say, no, we're not going to do this. You get into leadership positions and you can, our guys can like actually have. have some power in this. And I think that when I say that, people who are true right-wingers, they haven't had power in so long. They see that as a fantasy. They see it as something, but no, it's not a fantasy. We're already seeing it. I mean, the last time you and I talked,

we talked about how we both know people are guys who are working in government right now. And they are working towards helping us. And there are some, very targeted things that there are some people who are doing, some people are doing. And yeah, I mean, that's, that's another way is if you have people in power who are able to play defense, you know, and offense against our enemy, but defense against anything that might swing our way, that's just, that just makes sense at this point. And I don't know that we've seen anything like that in the past where you can compare that an opportunity, um, where, where, where your own guys can get in there and actually be able to, I mean, you could probably talk

about the Bolshevik Revolution going after their enemies and rewarding their friends. Yes, things like that. But, well, if you want to talk about that, then use that as an example to get all of our guys frigging, you know, hired into the government. And let's see where this goes. One of the things I've been thinking about a lot over the last few months, because I wrote a book about a year ago, and then I'm kind of revising it because so many things have changed. But also, I think part of my thesis was wrong. I think that politics is the science of power, and power has to be at the center of everything. Power is everything. The solution is always power.

And we have to be specific in our terms and be thinking about what it is to actually have it, because we talk about these things all the time. time, but then we never quite connect what we're talking about with how it actually works. I mean, to give one specific example, people are always complaining about Indians now only giving jobs to their people. And we complain about it like, well, it's unfair and how could this be happening and there are rules and everything else. But it's like, but this is what power actually is. It's when you have control over resources that you yourself did not.

create and you can redistribute them to whom you will. That is what you should always be thinking of. I mean, that is essentially the purpose of life is to get as much of that as possible and give it to your friends and take it away from your enemies. That's what it is to provide for a family, for example. I mean, once you're a father with kids and a wife and you got to provide for a household, like this is what you do. This is all you think about. And when it comes to the military and when it comes to government and when it comes to staffing these sorts of positions, it is simply a fact that people, most people, 99% of people, are going to follow whoever signs their paycheck and whoever gives them the orders.

And so therefore, if you can just put yourself in that position, you have more ability to affect how policy plays out on the ground than even the most skilled political organizer. And so you should always be thinking in these terms. And on the American right, because for so long, especially in the conservative movement, and especially on college campuses, which is something which I can speak with some authority about, we've been trained that we're going to create like a space where there is no power because we have constitutions and legal guarantees. And so therefore, we don't have to really think about any of these things.

But it's precisely in the area where you don't have the state where authority. where authority is questionable, where you're not totally sure who's in charge, that's when political skill matters the most. It would be like in a post-apocalyptic situation where everybody is running around forming militias, fighting for food or whatever else. That's precisely when you would need political skills. And you want to be in positions where if things do start to break down, if there is a conflict, if there are the kinds of jurisdictional decisions that we're seeing play out right now where you have things like federal and state officials fighting about who has the right to enforce the law in a certain city. I mean, these are the most important political

questions that there are. And you better believe you want these bureaucracies staffed with your guys. Because the reason these blue cities and blue states are able to put up so much opposition is because they've made sure that the sheriffs and the police chiefs and the DAs are people that they can rely on. If the American right does not have people that they can, can rely on and keep positions, this conflict, be it a kinetic one or be it a simple political one, is going to be over very quickly and we are not going to win. Well, you're talking about right there being wise when it comes to strategy. What do you think the purpose of Trump and having his Justice Department go after Comey and Obama

and all of these people. Yeah, go ahead. I got to be on. And I say this as somebody who probably defends Trump way more, maybe than you, maybe more of your listeners. This is one of these things where I'm just sort of like, I really don't care. I mean, going after Comey, going after Obama,

it's like going after COVID stuff from 2020. It's like these are dead things. These are not the things that matter. Now, what I want to see more of what I think would be the more important priority would be dismantling these left-wing networks that are on the ground. And if you want to go after these sorts of people, I would like to see what kind of law enforcement decisions were made when these people were really acting up in 2020. I mean, we know, for example, that the FBI agents annealing to Black Lives Matter protesters

and some of these agents have since been fired. Well, what kind of directives were coming from the top? while all this was happening. We remember, and this is something that has been extremely memory hold, people talk about, oh, J6 and people marching on the Capitol, do you remember when the White House was basically attacked and they were trying to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue and they hustled President Trump to the bunker underneath? And then everybody, of course, was making fun of them for being hustled to the bunker as if he had a choice in the matter. I mean, the president doesn't really get to decide what he wants to do in these sorts of situations. And there are reports that

I think it was Mark Miley and Stephen Miller basically got into a screaming argument about what the military should be doing in these circumstances. And the military more or less refused orders to put down these sorts of disruptions. I'd like to see investigations into these sorts of things. I'd like to find out what's happening with there because this is relevant to what's happening right now. And I think that I'm not against, obviously, indicting Comey, but I mean, it's going to go before a D.C. jury. we all kind of know how this is going to play out. I mean, they didn't get a single acquittal with any J6 defendant. I think that went before a DC jury. So I don't think if I'm Comey, I'm sleeping soundly. I don't think I have anything to worry about. And I think that the

political benefits from this kind of a decision are much less than going after some of these other groups and investigating some of these other decisions, which could lead to cases all around the country. And we could actually dismantle your political opposition before 2028, which is what needs to happen. I think Greg Johnson said this to me a while back. One side or the other is essentially going to declare the opposition illegal. It's going to happen fairly quickly in the United States of America. It may not be that formal. It may not be that obvious, but they're just going to make it impossible for one side to operate. And it's just a question of whether it's going to be us or them. Well, you have someone like Trump who lawfare was just, I mean, it was used as war

against him so that he couldn't get back in. You know, there are reports that Melania and Melania was debanked. I mean, so how does, to me, it looks like what the battle is, is the battle is against governors and mayors and representatives who are just absolutely saying, no, this is a sanctuary city, you know you're not going to do this. And I'm one of those people who believes, theoretically, I believe in states' rights. I believe states should be able to, should be able to.

But the way I look at that is, I think that my state should be able to do that. You know, I think Alabama should be able to do that. I don't think California or Illinois or any of these, any of these just psychotically blues. We should be trying to break these states up. I mean, we should be trying to dismiss. anselled these networks and disrupt them at every level. There's no reason for California, for example,

to even be one state. I mean, this might be a great time to start getting behind the state of Jefferson effort and break away the north there. There's no reason. There's a whole effort to get certain counties out of Illinois, the more conservative counties. Here in Virginia, when you had Democratic governor, there was a strong effort, which was endorsed by the governor of West Virginia when I was living there for certain counties in Virginia to join West Virginia. In fact, there's one county at the state. I think it's Washington or Frederick here in Virginia that can just straight up join West Virginia because of some whatever legal thing where it doesn't have to be approved by anybody. And they can just do it.

The only reason they haven't is because basically the Republicans took over Virginia again. These are the sorts of things that people can be doing right now. And these are the sorts of things that can happen within mainstream politics. And these are the sorts of things that Republicans should start thinking about if they want to have creative solutions to how can we disrupt the political opposition? without basically falling into the trap of being the sort of comic book authoritarians that they want us to be. I do think that the arguments about state or federal autonomy, because if you put me to the question and said, are you a federalist or an anti-federalist who was right?

I'd say, yeah, the anti-federalists were probably right as far as the problems that would develop with the Constitution or whatever else. But that's almost beside the point. It'd sort of like be asking, who do you prefer, Jefferson or Hamilton? On every issue that I care about, Jefferson and Hamilton would believe the exact same thing about what needs to be done and who counts as an American and who does not. That is the question that matters right now. And the real issue with these governors and with these representatives, someone like Illinois to use a very cliched and obvious example, but it's still relevant.

I mean, she's a congresswoman. This is not an American. There's no reason for this person to be in any position of authority over my life. That is far more intolerable than anything that existed under George III. At least George III was of kindred blood. These people have to be denaturalized, deported, and their voters need to go too. And this has to be viewed almost as like an anti-colonial struggle in the way of the original revolution, that these are foreign interlopers that are exercising power over us.

And some of those interlopers, of course, physically occupy our territory and put up their own chieftains to reign over us. And then some of these other interlopers operate with power over us in a different way, especially when it comes to foreign policy, where it's not so much the physical occupation of territory and resettlement, although it is that. But it's essentially subversion. And that's really what American politics is about right now. I mean, the fundamental question is, who is an American? because only somebody who is an American should have any say here whatsoever. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive.

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there were, you know, maybe even a year ago, that, you know, Ilhan Omar needs to be denatralized and all these people need... I would have told you, there's no chance of this happening. Yet,

I don't think the left understands that when you start shooting people, there is a chance of this happening. Yeah. Because, you know, and I've been saying for, for a few years now, the future in this country is either right or left-wing authoritarianism. Right. It's going to happen. And the way the left is acting, they're just pushing it and it'll happen that much quicker.

You know, the answer is which one do you prefer? I mean, I think I know which one. we prefer. But when you, what they're pushing towards is, I mean, I can honestly see a time when, yes, these people are getting round, basically getting rounded up and deported and sent back to wherever they came from. It just, it does, I mean, I don't see that. I mean, it's not going to happen with American blacks. Okay. It's just not. No. Yeah. But when you have these, you know, the population like in in Minneapolis and even even Dearborn, who was funny, didn't Dearborn break for Trump this time? Part of it did. Yeah. I mean, it's not so much that it's sort of the same thing you saw in the UK where,

I mean, some of them may have broken for Trump in terms of how they actually voted, but what actually really happened on the ground is they more broke away from the Democrats in the same way that the UK Muslims broke away from labor and voted for their own little independent Muslim parties and even got some of their guys elected in the parliament. And that's one of the things that we we sort of have to deal with is that if you look at what the left is now, and this is something Steve Saylor's been hammering on for a very long time, the Democratic Party is essentially a coalition of all of the different groups that are mobilized against the American median, the generic American party, as Peter Brimlow used to always call them. The more distinct you are from what you're

you might call a heritage American, the more likely you are to be a Democrat. And the Democrats are able to exercise power because people who are motivated by spite and resentment and collective loyalty are more politically powerful and a democracy. But there is a problem, which is, of course, that their collective interests do not always align with each other. Obviously, American Jews and American Muslims when it comes to Israel-Palestine tend to have very different opinions, at least older American Jews, younger American Jews, maybe even not so much. So you're going to have these conflicts and it gets in the way of the National Party being able to operate well. I think everybody sort of understands that the current governor of Pennsylvania would have been a stronger vice presidential candidate for Kamala Harris last time around.

But he probably couldn't have gotten the nomination purely over the Palestine issue because wasn't he involved with the IDF or something like that? And that's why he was signing he was signing bombs what they were signing over there. And so and this is something that wouldn't have even been a big deal in the Democratic Party 10 years before. I mean, Rahm Emanuel, right? But now it's a thing. And it's not just going to be on Israel, Palestine. There's going to be a host of these sorts of issues where there's only so many resources to go around. There's only so many jobs to go around.

And you have certain constituencies that feel like they're entitled, especially blacks, to have positions that they really aren't entitled to and don't work very well for the party. I mean, the way black women within the Democratic Party operated to make sure that Harris would not get the nomination taken away and that these people had to fall in line and endorse her right away, even when a lot of them really did not want to. I mean, that's a big reason why 2024 was such a catastrophe for that party. And you're going to see more and more issues like that within the Democrats. The problem is that at the end of the day, it is just a question of numbers. And the Republicans, it's not that the Republican Party has such a great or such a bad ideology.

It's that if you're white, you're sort of default into this position because that's where most voters are and are going to go in the future. And the white voters that do not go there are consciously anti-white at this point. I mean, we've all seen the studies that show white liberals actually have a negative in bias against their own group. Then they're unique in every group in the world in that respect. I think that's only going to intensify. And even the people who say, well, it's not Republican Democrat, we shouldn't vote, we shouldn't do this, that, the other thing, when it comes time to analyzing political attitudes, they always default to how did Republicans vote, how did Democrats vote, what were the voting patterns in the last election. This really is the

best metric that we have. And I think that as politics becomes much more focused on race, ethnicity, identity, Republicans and Democrats, they just become labels of convenience for racial confederations. I almost think ideology has nothing to do with it anymore. So when you see all of these like attack on ice facilities, things like that, and you see the troops going in, there was something that. happened in Atlanta a few years ago, a couple years ago, it was an attack on Cop City. Yep. And they basically, they did a RICO roundup and they all went to jail.

I mean, there were SPLC lawyers picked up in that and they all went to jail. What's keeping them from doing that? Because RICO is the way to the way to do this. I mean, going forward, yeah. Well, I mean, they might be, right? I mean, we all have our doubts. Take that as red. But, you know, they're not going to come up with a RICO statue in a week. I mean, if they're going to do this, they've, whatever you would expect them to do in the short term they are now doing. Even the signs of weakness that we saw, like when we had that one ICE official, pushed that woman to the ground, and the reporters went nuts and they fired them. I mean, they rehired them. So you are seeing that they're not just folding. It's not just talk. It's a bit early. But it does have to be Rico. It does have to be actually dismantling these networks.

It does have to be going after the funding sources. President Trump has said that these things are going to happen. President Trump says a lot of things though, doesn't it? We'll see. What I think is more interesting, maybe not more interesting, but is more relevant to us from a strategic perspective, is for the first time in my life, you see the left actually regarding the state as an enemy because they've already, they've always theoretically regarded as an enemy. They'll be, oh, the CIA, the federal government, the military, whatever else.

But these people have never really been opposed. They've always kind of worked hand in glove. Even Antiphon cops have never really been opposed too much. You only have to look at how things played out in Charlottesville to see that. But now they have made the strategic choice. And I don't think they can be talked down from the ledge that we need to attack ICE. We need to attack cops. We need to attack these people physically.

And that is not going to end well for them. I don't think it's a sound political strategy for anybody right or left to attack the state as such. It's just not a battle you can win. Well, but the escalation, once it seems like once you reach a certain point of escalation, I mean, they have an overconfidence because they've been so protected for so long. 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

So like when they try to get somebody fired now, when they're like, oh, you're a fascist, you're a Nazi, you're not. And people are like, well, and it just doesn't work anymore. Now it seems like, okay, well, if they're not going to, if they're embracing these terms, we're just going to default to violence. And so I don't really see, I don't see a problem with them deciding, well, yeah, sure, it's the state. And sure, I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. I just don't think we should do it. I mean, every once in a while, people will be like, people are like, oh, you know, the cops aren't your friend. It's like the cops are cops are the friends of whoever tells them to arrest this person or that person. There was a story. I can't remember the exact source, but I'm just going to tell the story anyway. There was a story, of course, during, you know, during the comp, when the German National Socialists were doing their thing in Germany before they took power. And one of the lies that you're told is that they, you know, they had sympathy from the police and the judges or whatever else. Like that was probably true in some cases. But, you know, these guys are getting beat up by the cops. They're getting arrested. They're being told they're not allowed to do certain things. The cops are messing with them.

And I think it was gerbils or somebody like the day after they took power, the police chief, like just kind of walked in. And this is the same guy who is like trying to arrest him and arrest all his guys like the day before. And he's like, well, what are you doing? And I'm like, well, who do you want us to arrest? And it was just this is how it is now. This is just the nature of the beast. And I think that's how it is with government bureaucracies. It doesn't fundamentally matter to most people, whether it's a fascist, whether it's a communist, whether it's a Democrat, whether it's a Republican. It's a question of who has the authority to give the orders and who controls the money. And therefore, it is foolish to say entire bureaucracies or, parts of the government are inherently enemies and try to dismantle them through force outside the state. Leaving aside that that's probably impossible, it's also just not really true because if you're able to capture the machinery of the state, you may face resistance depending on the politics

of the people involved. Certainly Trump has dealt with that with the FBI, but by and large, most of these guys are just going to do what you say. And so really what you should be focused on is trying to capture the state, not try to dismantle it by doing these kind of rag-tag terrorist attacks against random guys on the ground, who, by the way, are just normal people trying to do their job and probably don't have too many political considerations one way or the other. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse sale is back.

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but there's this classic scene from Game of Thrones where the question is asked if you have a king, you have a priest, and you have a rich man. You know what, you know, I'm talking about, right? And you know, each one looks at an assassin and says, and orders to kill the other two, you know, which one, who does, who do they kill? Who, who, so basically, when you look at that situation right now, who do you think the average American thing has, thinks has the power? Yeah, I mean, that's, What's dangerous is the average American, and this is an advantage and it's a disadvantage.

The average American probably has some vague idea that Donald Trump is in charge and has the power. And Donald Trump has less power than the average American thinks he does. And Donald Trump probably has less power than Donald Trump thinks he does. I mean, Donald Trump will say things occasionally like, I'm running the country. I'm running the world. It's like, well, you're not really. I mean, he's facing resistance from bureaucracies. He's facing judges who say what he's doing is illegal.

even if it's not, he always has to deal with this. And the problem, of course, is that most people just want problems solved. And if Trump can't solve those problems, even if he lacks the power to solve the problems, even if he has the right solution and wants to solve the problem, but he just can't because he just doesn't have the power and the system doesn't work that way, he's still going to be the one who gets the blame. And this is my view on the entire system, is that we're in a situation now where we see these deep-seated problems and we see entrenched privileges that prevent us from solving these problems, something like, say, illegal immigration. The agricultural companies are dependent on illegal immigration. You need to get rid of these people, but if you're going to do that,

there are going to be massive short-term costs. And those short-term costs are not something, you know, increased food prices, whatever. These are not costs that any politician is going to want to deal with, so we kick the can down the road. And this is what happens in every revolutionary situation. It's not that people don't see the problems. It's not that people don't have solutions to the problems. It's not the system could not pass solutions to these problems and we could just be done with it. It's that the cost is always, the short-term cost is always so great and the benefits are always so concentrated that resistance is just too much to overcome.

And you need somebody to come in with a sword to cut the gordon knot. and our system is more or less set up to prevent that from happening. And my fear is that Trump is giving the aesthetic of somebody who's going to swing the sword, who's going to be Caesar, who's going to solve all these problems. But he lacks not just the will. Maybe he does have the will, but he certainly lacks the power and the capability to do it. And so all that's going to happen is you're going to get the reaction, the anti-fascist reaction, against authoritarianism. You're going to whip the left up in that regard, but you're also going to

get the blame from people who are frustrated that he can't solve the problem. And unfortunately, there's not really a way to get around this until the country moves into a no-kitting revolutionary situation where a lot of the institutional safeguards simply fall away, and we can actually get to work, solving the problems that we need to solve. Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Is if you, if you take the theory that there are elite cadres that are pulling strings and competing behind the scenes. I mean, I think there's like three or four, definitely three I can identify that are going after Trump right now and pulling them in opposite directions.

I think we know which cadre has been the most influential so far and has gotten the most done for their group. But I think one of the things that elites always fear the most is, revolution is that they lose, they can't leave the house, that they, that, you know, geotines are pretty easy to build. And they're always going to come for them first. So, I mean, what would, yeah, I actually believe one of those cadres is stupid enough to think revolution is a good thing and that like violent revolution would actually be in their favor. But I mean, how do, is there any way to avoid it at this point? And I'm not talking about like a widespread

revolution. I don't think there will be widespread revolution, but I think pockets of it everywhere, you know, you, your Portland's, your Californians, your Illinois, your places that are, you know, blue and blue to the point where they may not be completely blue. I mean, And you know, just look at Illinois. I mean, southern Illinois is all farmland and it's all red. But you have this concentrated population. How do they avoid that at this point? I think that the most likely outcome for the country as a whole is sort of the long, slow degeneration.

And if they're able to manage the decline, which is what I think leaders in the West want more than anything, is they want to keep the institutions in place, they want to keep the system running as advertised, or at least as much as possible. They want few outbreaks of large-scale political violence that aren't just play-acting, you know, Occupy Wall Street type stuff, or it's like, oh, look, they're having a demonstration about equality or whatever, isn't that cute?

But nothing that really threatens anything. The long, slow decline is the most likely outcome. But that outcome is still a lot less likely than it was 10 years ago. I think Fukuyama's idea that we really are at the end of history is now up to question in a way that it wasn't even five years ago. And the big question becomes whether the people who, the elite factions of the left can keep their own radicals in charge because there doesn't seem to be a way to talk these people down. You said earlier, what happens next?

Well, a lot of it depends on whether the spate of political violence continues because, yeah, you may get another attack on ice, you may get another attack on police or something like that. But we had a lot of that in 2020 too, and that didn't even lead to a right-wing counter-reaction. But the reaction to the Charlie Kirk assassination has been something. You have people who are openly celebrating it on their LinkedIn, no obsequent whatsoever. It's never even occurred to them that they should be physically afraid or even be afraid for their careers, openly celebrating the murder of a young man in front of his family. And it's not hard to imagine that somebody who gets all gassed up on new movie and theaters

or a new TV show or video game or political speech or Asan Piker giving a stream where he's saying you need to kill these people or whatever else, that somebody is going to get gassed up and take a shot at somebody else. And I think that we're only like one or two. violent acts away until you get into that tit-for-tat political violence. And that's when things really start to kick off. Because then you start getting into questions of, can you trust the justice system to be impartial? Can you trust that you are going to see a killer brought to justice, even if a lot of people in that area have political sympathy with what he did? Because as we've seen

over the last 10 years, when it comes to nonviolent political activism, the answer to all the those questions is no. I mean, we all just kind of understand that whether you get justice or not is totally dependent on what city you're in, the political sympathies of the people who are going to be on the jury and who are in that area. So I think that you will probably get the slow decline. You probably will not get this huge crisis. You probably will not even get years of lead, let alone Spanish Civil War. But it wouldn't take much to push us onto that timeline. I think it probably wouldn't take us more than two or three more targeted killings. And you have a radicalized base that has access to weaponry of millions of people, some of whom are completely insane because they're transgender and

they're essentially just cooked from online propaganda as well as whatever medical things they're gosing themselves with. And any number of those people could set the whole thing off. It could be happening right now as we're talking. Distinctive, by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon, and Terramar, now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro.

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How does Rice play into the future? I mean, people are organizing locally. Let me, let me throw a little more in that. You know, people are organizing locally. People are, you know, they're trying to do everything they can. And I just see that the way things are playing out and you go back to, everybody forgets about Shiloh Hendricks and how important that was.

And I think, you know, the fatigue that we always talk about is setting in more and more every day. So what does the future look like when it comes to, you know, people just living out their everyday life and just trying to survive if it really does, you know, if we really start cooking as far as like revolutionary activity starts. Race is the thing that people are going to come to last, but it's also the most important. It's at the root of everything else. And if somebody tells me what religion they are, if somebody tells me what political sympathies, what political ideology they have, none of that really tells me very much. If they tell me about what they think about race, now I know who they are.

Now I know who their friends are, who their enemies are, how they can play out in any given situation. But that said, people have a lot of things they got to work through before they get to that point. And right now on the right, when you see people throwing around labels like, oh, Christian nationalism, okay, which Christianity? I mean, a lot of this seems attempts to be able to organize tribally, but not to have to touch race, because we still just don't want to do that. but to me identity is not just who you are in terms of blood and it's not just the inherent cultural mindset that you've been brought up with it's more than that it's also it is socially constructed in the sense that it's what power does to you and i think sam francis was fundamentally right when he said that when the enemies of the west come to kill us it is not whether that's

literally come to kill us or whether that's in the political sense of confiscating our wealth and taking away our power, that kind of thing. It's not going to be because we're conservatives. It's not going to be because we're Christians. It's not going to be because we're Americans. It's not going to be because we're capitalists. It's going to be because we're white. That is what animates them. That is what unites the whole left-wing coalition going further. That is what defines left and right. Left and right are meaningful terms in America today and the West today, because that tells me what you think about race. That's what it is to be on the right. That's what it is to be on the left.

And the left is the one pushing this forward. I mean, the right is like five years behind the left as far as political radicalization goes. People talk about the radicalization of the right, but if you look at any graph where you see political extremism over time, you see that the left has radicalized far more quickly than the right has. The right is still more or less where it was a few years ago. And what we were talking about before with some factions of the right, maybe willing to accept some edgy aesthetics or maybe even the occasional edgy gesture from Mussolini or whatever else, I mean, that's still very much a minority and still very much young people in situations where they don't think they're going to get in trouble. In the left, it is right out there.

We need to kill these people. This is anti-fascism. These people need to be silenced. Here's Mark Bray, author of the Anti-Fascist Handbook, which talks about. talks about silencing Trump supporters physically. Here he is on network news. Here he is explaining to you why anti-fascism is good. Here he is explaining to you why the Trump administration is such a serious problem to your freedom. These people are going to try to impose their will on us. If the left was smart, it would calm these people down, play for time, wait for demographics

to change, and they're going to get everything they want. But I don't think they can calm their people down. And I think one of the reasons they can't calm their own people down is because you're still in modern America where people are looking for meaning, people are looking for purpose, people are looking for community. And unfortunately, one of the best ways to do that is to become an internet hero by acting out violently in the name of some ideology, because a significant chunk of people are going to call you a hero and are going to praise you and say what you did was the right thing. I think that if we end up, up in a timeline where we do get existential political conflict. It is not going to start out

based on race. It is not going to start out where people are saying, we are doing this because of race, although certainly you will see leftists saying we're doing this to fight white supremacy or whatever else. But if it really picks up very quickly, it will become all about race. And the metaphor that I would use, or the comparison I should say that I would use, is the way you often bring up the Spanish Civil War. Jose Antonio Prima de Rivera at the beginning of the Spanish Civil War, a fairly marginal figure in jail. The Falongo was not very big.

We only had a few thousand guys. But when things kicked off, it grew very, very, very fast. And Franco had to almost incorporate it as a pillar of his regime and the ideological legitimacy because when things hit the fan, that's what people turn to. And I think that's how it's going to work with white identity. We all vaguely sense that we are under attack as whites. We don't quite have the vocabulary to define why we should be allowed to defend ourselves as whites.

But as the attacks continue to come, and I don't think the left can prevent itself from stopping those attacks, people are going to get more and more comfortable talking in racial terms and eventually they'll start organizing on racial terms. then how do you deal with the fact that so many of the people that are against us so many of the people that are calling for white death are white that they're considered allies and you know i i know a lot of people who listen to my show right now are going to go they're not white man You know what they are. Right, right. I'm not talking about that. Aside from those people, yes. Aside from that, a lot of these people are white.

Right. I think that the most obvious thing is like what I said before, when you look at liberal whites, they have a negative ingratious bias. Yes, they are white. But it's the same way that there were certain capitalists who favored the Bolshevik revolution, that there were aristocrats who went along with the French Revolution. They consciously see themselves. They will tell you.

that they are anti-white. They will see what they are doing as a noble sacrifice. They somewhere in the back of their mind probably expect to be able to maintain personal power and status throughout this revolutionary process. But as far as their political activism goes, they still think that they are ultimately opposing whiteness, which is a moral and just thing to do. Now, what happens to them, to some extent, is not really our concern. I think of the brother of the king in the French Revolution. revolution, Philip Agalleté, right, who went along was basically indispensable toward getting the revolution off the ground, changed his name, jettisoned his title, changed his last name to equality, and what ended up happening, he ended up getting guillotined. Because at the end of

the day, you are what you are, and as these ideologies are taken to the logical conclusion, even the, nobody trusts a traitor, even the people who benefit from that treason. And so, white people who say they are anti-white, they're just enemies. I mean, traitors are a thing and traders have always been a thing. And what motivates a traitor, whether it's a misguided sense of short-term gain, whether it's a misguided moral sense, whether it's simply sadism or spite, doesn't really matter to me. I mean, there's only one way to deal with traders. All right, Kevin Deanna. Tell everybody where they can find your work right now.

Well, you can find it at American Renaissance. That's amrend.com. That's where all my articles, and that's also where every episode of identity politics is published on Odyssey and Rumble. We'll try it on YouTube for now. We'll see how long that lasts. And then on X, you can find me as VDAR James Kat. Always appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me on. Really appreciate it. I don't know.