The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1280: Einsatzgruppe C and Vinnitsa w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

68 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.Thomas returns to the show to talk about recent technological advances that made identifying a German soldier of Einsatzgruppe C in WW2 possible and explains how rassenkrieg was the prime motivator for all sides.Thomas' SubstackRadio Free Chicago - T777 and J BurdenThomas777 MerchandiseThomas' Buy Me a CoffeeThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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How are you doing, Thomas? I know well. Thanks for hosting me. Yes, we are going to take a break from the Continental Philosophy series and talk about something that's in the news. New York Post is reporting on it. I have their article pulled up from yesterday. The infamous picture from World War II entitled The Last Jew of Initia, it seems that through AI and facial recognition, they have figured, out the name of the officer from the famous picture. I will share a screen on the picture for those who

don't, who aren't familiar with the picture. Well, they're familiar with it. They just don't know exactly what I'm talking about. So there is the picture. And it seems that the shooter has been identified as Jacques Echopis Onen, a teacher born in Germany in 1906. And And yeah, I contacted you about this this morning, and you had made the suggestion that we might talk about this and should lead into some wider revelations about the war that most people either don't know or don't realize. So I'm going to hand it over to you, Thomas. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't. Well, first, there was a bunch of people on. I wouldn't call it the revisionist side because they're not people who are serious into historical research,

but people are sympathetic, the heterodox viewpoint, saying this was a fake photo. It's not fake, it's real. Then other people are saying, why would they take photographs? Well, all kinds of reasons. If you were an Einstein's group commander, you filed an after-action report. This was your mandate. You needed to produce a body count. And there was also men in the field who take snapshots as souvenirs. Okay, people think this is outlandish. I'm not passing judgment as one or the other. I've seen photographs of guys in Vietnam, American soldiers, literally holding up severed heads, like for fun.

Okay. I mean, again, I'm not feigning moral outrage over that, but this idea that it's somehow unheard of for photographs to be taken of of questionable activity or or the shooting of non-combatants that's very naive. But also what's going on in that photo is very above board. It's not the kind of thing that was being shown in movie houses in Berlin or Hamburg,

but it was a major component of operational doctrine and theater. And that's character. Characteristic of modern war. I include a whole chapter on this in my manuscript that I'm writing. I'm not gonna try and turn this into a Shill piece from my own work product, but I think it's concessually relevant. There's this book by Christopher Browning, who I used to have a lot more respect for, but then he testified against David Irving, which I thought was really grimy. But he wrote a good book called Ordinary Men. It was about this, it was about Ordnongpoitzae, but Italian 101 in Yotsfow, Poland. I'm sure I'm butchering that pronunciation.

And they were an Einzsse group battalion, and he talked to a bunch of veterans, and who were pretty candid about what went out. I mean, a lot of them demanded anonymity, which is understandable. But, you know, I juxtaposed Browning's, the testimony of these men and his original research with the Senate subcommittee hearings, among other things, on the massacre at Mili 4.

This is something that happens in modern war, and in the 20th century, when war became, when ideological imperatives became the cause of belie of scaled conflict, you know, the categorical annihilation of human beings became a military imperative. That's just a fact. This is why the Holocaust religion is bullshit. It's not because things like in that picture didn't happen. It's because that's the face of modern war. And this idea that the Germans are the epitome of evil and they hate Jewish people for no reason.

and this is a case of the martyrdom of an entire race, and this is something that's never happened before a sense. That's what's a bullshit about it. Not this didn't happen. It's the emphasis on it in the way that it's characterized, the centrality of it, and the bigoted chauvinism of it. That's what's problematic. You know, I'll add to, you know,

people have this idea, I think, from the movies or something that Milai in Vietnam was the secret and then the civilian press got wind of it or something or some brave witness you know like the guys

in that Huey Chopper who intervened you know went public about it this was published in stars and stripes they said this was a great victory look at this great body count

at Milai you know go Ameri go Ameriacal division This wasn't a secret. That was a free fire zone. These people were fair targets. You know, anybody in a free fire zone in Vietnam, regardless of age, sex, overall health, they're an enemy. You can kill them.

And you're encouraged to kill them. You know, that's not any different. I mean, I'd argue that it was a lot more inhumane. what the Pentagon was doing, contra OKW. No regular army guys in the German army, you got drafted or being ordered to do this kind of stuff. You know, you were asked to volunteer. And if you couldn't handle it and you refused to do it,

no one was, you weren't getting shot, you weren't getting locked in prison, your career was over. And if you were an enlisted man, you'd probably be looked at as a coward and a punk. But no one's getting course marshaled for this. You know, in contrast, in Nam, you literally had some 19-year-old draftee being told he had to waste women kids and oldsters in a free fire zone. That's really, really messed up. You know, and I'm sure that there's going to be patriotypes.

You say I'm like some big liberal or something we're saying that or whatever, but that's a fact. you know and it's also people don't they don't really understand what they don't really understand the third right and structurally if you don't understand the ross and creed aspect I mean beyond the fact that ross and creed was part of like an overall policy imperative that framed this mass campaign that was barbarosa there was this weird institutional agonism between between the army the SS then there was a the Gestapo actually was the legacy of organization of the Prussian secret police and they always resented being under the penumbra of the SS so

Himmler's notion was a he established the SD the cigarette-thensed which was technically the SS's internal security force but they had trouble establishing a mandate because they resented by the police and by the intelligence apparatus, which was the obfair, which was horribly compromised, but that's a whole other subject matter. So the SD didn't really get its institutional mandate until Barbarossa. And then when the race were kicked off in earnest, and the RSAHA was the umbrella organization. And the army, um, even guys who were pretty dogmatic national socialists in the general officer corps they said in on certain terms you're not going to you're not going to involve my men in this bullshit you know you're not going to have my people doing this kind of dirty work and i i don't think that's particularly admirable okay it's like look if we're going to war you're saying you're going to like wash your hands but like these guys got to do it because that's what's coated into their into their man they as policemen or whatever or um you know as a something less than soldiers i take exception

of that you know um and not just playing devil's advocate like i mean i actually find that objectionable and to be clear too the man in that photograph he was later k ia because a lot of einsets group officers and enlisted got killed in hostile action Because in addition to ethnic cleansing and categorically annihilating Eastern Jewry and cleansing other racial enemies, they were on anti-partisan duty. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input. and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans.

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or their Japanese co-belligerence did but uh you know on top of the stress of of this kind of activity they were fighting this really brutal

you know anti-partisan war and a lot of them were dying you know so these guys weren't these guys were every bit as much soldiers as their as their counterparts and the here and the vaughness cess and uh this also plays into the fact there's this mythology and um people have this idea a general plan ozht you know they claim oh the nazis were evil because they like hitler wanted to quote like wipe out all slavs or something like there was as a may jurei there was no category of slob in the third Reich.

You know, there were, under the Nuremberg codes, obviously Jews are stripped of all political and civil rights. Beyond that, you know, non-Jewish outlanders were treated like anybody else, assuming they weren't

derived of a population that was an enemy of the Reich. Poles, you know, and there was a race war underway between the Germans and the Poles. And despite, you know, I, we've recorded kind of on this, the polls were ethnically cleansing Germans, Jews, Ruthenians, and anybody else they didn't like, and they were procedurally singling out Germans. They slaughtered something like 13,000 of them. You know, this was the causes belly of the 1939 war okay so this idea that one day Adolf Hitler or right of the hydraich or you know Hans Frank just like

randomly decided he hated Slavs that's asinine you know it's such that uh such that that was like a real prejudice Hitler was a hapsper of Austrian. I mean, granted, yeah, he, in a lot of ways, he thought like a Prussian in terms of his historical sensibility and things, but, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't Austrians and Bavarians who, who had this kind of enduring prejudice against the Poles. I mean, that was like a, that was a Prussian thing, you know, so it's, but, you know, the entire raise on Detra national socialism, aside, I mean, in power political terms, you know, the internal situation and trying to curate cultural palingenesis and all, you know, negotiate the future shock of

modernity. I mean, yeah, obviously that is, or that was essential aspects of the constellation of values and conceptual fact. that made of national socialism. But the grand historical mission of national socialism was for Europe to survive, it had to become a superpower. You know, and it had to consolidate and unite. And Europe's an indefensible peninsula. It's this tiny little sliver, basically, on this giant landmass of Eurasia.

And the view of people like Hitler, of people like Rosenberg, of people like Max, on Schuvener Richter, you know, the Altkafer who died in, you know, at Munich. This was actually pretty conventional geopolitics, geopolitical theory. And the understanding was that the heartland of Indo-Europeans, or, I mean, the Aryan race, if you want to be less delicate about it, you know, was the Caucasus. which is true. And out from that world island, you know, civilization spread, you know, carried by these Bronze Age conquerors. Over time, though, the barbarian East, and particularly the Mongols pushed everybody out to the periphery, including the white race.

and thus you have Europe. You know, that's basically the Garrison Peninsula where Europe fought off the Orient. You know, but it's been fighting this desperate kind of re-regard reaction of position of vulnerability for a millennia. That's why one of my very favorite books is the History of the Mongols by Michael Proudin.

That was required reading at the SS Yonkers-Sul and Yacom Piper he wrote his he wrote his thesis to graduate on the doctrine of Yasa. Yasa was the oral law, the Mongols. It was and it was it was very much completed and the complexity of it was was curated under Genghis Khan. it's one part military doctrine it's one part moral law it's one part you know a statement of the rights

between the castes within Mongol society and it's fascinating because this was all this was all part of an oral tradition so any Mongol warrior like any man who had full status only to his capacity to bear arms and ride

as a horseman. He had memorized this, the entire body of Mongol law, essentially. But Piper wrote about Yasa because any SS officer candidate, he was inculcated with

a deep understanding of the Mongol empire and the Mongols as a people for two reasons. Gissimler said, the reason we are here in Europe is because of the empire created by these people, which was the biggest empire the world has ever known.

And in Himmler's estimation, the Mongols were the greatest martial race that ever existed. And essentially, you know, the role of an SS officer is going to be the lead European manhood against the descendants of the step Mongols to re-kind. conquer what was the Indo-European homeland. And to do that, not only does European manhood and the new warrior Yeomanry, which is going to lead the SS, not only do they need to understand the kind of ancient heritage related to the soil that is being reconquered, but to fight in that environment and to fight a total race war, you've got to. understand the what animated warrior races like the Mongols and the European

man has to come to emulate that and curate that tendency within himself so the idea was um as when Czechoslovakia fell apart and make no mistake it did fall apart you know I was writing some short from the other day this idea that there was some sorcerer who could make Czechoslovakia a failed state or through Ledger, Maine, to see everybody into appeasing him. I mean, that's an infantile way of looking at human affairs, particularly power political ones. But, you know, Hitler had a particular act to grind with Venice, who was a real, a very perfidious and weasel-like individual. But, you know, when Slovakia, Seceded that was the nail in the coffin of the contrivance was Chego Slovakia and of course

Slovakia was a very close ally of the Reich you know and they They were very much part of the Axis Alliance but you know historically there's no love loss between the Czechs and the Germans as as Bohemia and Moravia were incorporated as to the Greater German Reich and the Czechs of the Rump, Czechoslovakia were incorporated in the Greater German Reich. Himmler wanted to implement what he viewed as this kind of resettlement program

of ethically cleansing the checks and then settling SS officers there and providing them with, you know, fiefdoms within the rich agricultural area contained within the Protectorate. Hitler had talked about deporting at least six million checks to the eastern hinterland subsequent. You know, obviously when, like, war was underway. but the problem was that the Scota Arms Works which was a rivaled to crop in terms of its quality and its productive potential

and it's by what a lot of people think the German armands industry it was very localized and almost and very much you know the production the fixed capital was in the form of like a shop

set up almost. There weren't giant factories. So the Germans needed the Skoda Arms Works and they needed the checks that were working there and you know fighting a race war with the vestigial check population and then deporting the people who banned this facility. I mean that would have been on starter but Air Grid operator of Ireland's electricity grid is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together

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Well, a couple things. One question I wanted to ask is, when did how early and when was his decision made the realization that in the National Socialist cadre that they were in a race war? And when most people think race war, they think people who look blacks against whites and they think inter-European doesn't sound like a race war to them. So can you address both of those? Yeah, I mean, it was coded into, Hitler said as early, I was getting that, Hitler said as early as 1925, and it's one of the few things that's worthwhile in Mein Kampf. He said that Germany needs to look eastward because capturing that continental landmass, the world island,

is what is going to make Europe a superpower. and it's a fool's errand to try and play the game of colonies or to, you know, try to expand West. And also, you know, Hitler like every other European of the time, you know, he viewed the Westphalian consensus as a moral imperative. You know, you're not going to ethnically cleanse France and capture his Laban's wrong, obviously. why do the Germans do Slavs and Jews as a different race because they were like this idea this idea that race is group anatomy

nobody thinks that way but Americans you know and if you look at the Russians as a people they they've got a totally different lineage they write in a different alphabet they they've got a totally different

heritage. Russia is an incredibly race, like ethnically and racially diverse place. You know, um, and it always has been. Um, you know, the, uh, the German view of race,

and I've written about this. Um, everything was biologically coded then. That's the way everybody thought about things. Is this like materialist reductionist perspective? you know, America thought that way in France, in the UK, in Japan, like, everybody thought that way.

So that's when the Germans talk about, you know, this biological criteria determining ethnost or whatever. I mean, that's why. It's because that was the zeitgeist. But nobody in Europe viewed Eastern Orthodox people. from the step as white people. And even if they were, it's like they'd, you know, that wouldn't even register. They're okay, great, they're white people. They're still a different race and they're our enemy.

You know, and like I said, the whole, it's coded, fear of the east is coated into, was coded into Europeans and for good reason. You know, I highly recommend Pradden's book, like I said, If people don't understand this, they should read it. It's not an accident, but it became essential reading in the era. You know, and it's, I've probably got a bias for traditional anthropology.

Because I think it's just more complete, you know, and aside in that, I mean, it's not, the population genetics is basically validating these observations and the kind of mapping of these things based on cultural ephemera and ethno-linguistic patterns and things. of behavior and cultural production and things like that. But I mean, that's why. And it's also too, I mean, people had to, you know. And the Soviet Union, especially, I mean, adding to the alienage of it, this was essentially an uprising such that there was a European

character to the Russian Empire, and there was, in terms of its leadership cast. You know, that's what Peter the Great, you know, his all ambition was to European-I's Russia. And in a lot of ways, the uprising that created the Soviet Union, once the Bulls of Cadres were able to kick off the megacidal, you know, activity of of the body politic it basically was a way of wiping out the European element

that was viewed not incorrectly as kind of an overcast so there's that too you know and the Soviets were animated by this aggressive military doctrine of of

proletarian revolution and they openly stated they're not bound by the Geneva Convention. They don't recognize international law as defined and permissively implemented by the capitalists. You know, they they categorically removed themselves from the European moral consensus, even had they been party to it previously, and I don't think they were. so it's all of those reasons but the test case uh if you will for what became racial policy in the east it started in um bohemia and maravia and then the polish general of government under hans frank because uh you know

Poland had to be Poland was slated for annihilation not just on the you know convenience of geopolitics and you know

and imperatives they're in but also because there was genuine ethnic hatred between the Poles and the Germans you know and

Hitler wanted to punish the Poles had violence behind that and it went beyond the fact that you know settlement of the the Danzig corridor and the fortification of it you know and um and made a mistake like when when the rike invaded um the people at danzig rose up and you know they viewed themselves almost like almost like uh white zimbabwe did as this beleaguered uh population that was hated by this super majority and that was always at risk of it being ethnically cleansed.

So, you know, there was that too. And these people, obviously, you know, they, a lot of them were like very ardent national socialists, you know, and they're like, okay, it's on, you know, we're going to reclaim this land for the Reich and, you know, we're going to punish these people who, and their arrogance, you know, thought that they could definitely cleanse our people from their midst.

You know, so it became what, it became what the, what the foreign ministry, the military, the right chancery, became referred to as a territorial policy, you know, and that was exclusively the East. In 1928, in talking, about, you know, future racial warfare. You know, Hitler said, we're either going to have to, you know, in a war of conquest, we're either going to have to sterilize foreign elements to ensure that they can't contaminant, you know, continually adulterate the conquering element, which is us, or, quote, remove them all together and make over to its own people, the land thereby released.

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Not just on the frontier, but, you know, the anywhere, um, anywhere they were found. in appreciable numbers and you know thousands were were killed you know and really and horrible stuff happened you know on on on a part with the kind of stuff that happened on the eastern front you know later between the Russians and the Germans you know the when the when the when the Vermacht uh crossed the frontier you know and this is documented you know they found They found people with nails driven into their eyes, guys who'd been severely tortured, and they had their genitals cut off and stuffed in their mouth. I mean, like, horrifying stuff.

I mean, don't mean, the Germans returned to serve, like, massively and killed a lot of people. But, you know, the Poles are doing barbaric stuff. You know, this isn't... And Poland was ruled by this crazy military. military junta. You know, it's like Ukraine 1.0. It's like there's this crazy junta. It's whacking Jews. It's technically cleansing Germans. It's it's definitely cleansing Ruthenians and Hungarians and and anybody they just don't like. You know, they then they got this

totally deranged, senile, you know, war guarantee from the UK so that that emboldened them even further to do crazy things. You know, this wasn't, people acting like Poland was somehow like Sweden of the of the east or something. It's like this was a totally out of control state that was behaving as a rogue government. You know, it's not, you can't. And the Russian czarves had a history of dealing with this for centuries. Yeah, no, 100%. Well, it's also, I mean,

there's probably what people say, too. It's, you know, the reason why Stalin, I mean, it was twofold. Obviously, the, the Reich didn't want to open a general war up with the Soviet Union. So when Riventrop approached, you know, his counterpart in Molotov, you know, the Russians, the Russians, their pretext, and I mean, it wasn't really pretextual. Well, it was, they were, they were looking to defend their own people in the East because that Paul's doing the same thing to the Russians.

You know, I mean, it's not this idea that Poland was this great place full of peace-loving, progressive people who were marvelous neighbors, and they had this incredible progressive society with a normal democratic government. And so that's why the Soviet Union and the German right just invaded them for no reason. You know, it's, I mean, for context, too, and I don't want to derail this into a discussion of the, of September 1939. But the Reich offered the Polish junta, unconditional. They said, look, we make no demands other than we want some kind of dedicated access route to Danzig, you know, and we want some sort of, you know, mutual defense agreement, you know, um, contra the Soviet Union, because we don't coordinate deployment patterns, an event of

a threat, you know, we're both at risk, you know, and, uh, the Polish response to that was to start ethnically cleansing the German population, and, you know, for all private people, to declare that they, they, it wasn't incumbent on them to negotiate with anybody. You know, like I said, it's like Ukraine 1.0. You know, it's, you're met with grunts, threats, and obscenities when you, when you try and talk to,

talk to people like, like men, you know, um, and I'm not, I'm not sitting here saying. I think it was cool or a good thing. thing that Poland was, for the purpose, was annihilated by the German Reich. But I mean, that's that's race war. And the if the states, and to be clear to what the, this, I mean, you could argue that this is categorically arbitrary, but Aryan elements in Poland were treated like any other Europeans, you know, or, and obviously, a lot of people were bilingual or multilingual.

Clearly people could physically pass as European and were willing to speak German, you know, kind of got along okay. But, you know, the reality is, I'm not suggesting people need to look positively on this or something. But, you know, in context, it was a situation where a basic callousness and brutality was characteristic of decision-making. But also, too, I mean, again, the, I think the point of people again and again, you know, one of, you know, the NDAH, you know, Croatia, first of all, I mean, the Germans and the Crocs are always thick as thieves.

I mean, they always have been, they were in the 30 years' war, you know, a helmet coal immediately recognized Huchman's independence in 91. You know, the Crocs are very Slavic, and who are the only people who were not just formally assimilated into the Vermacht, but they were the only non-German element constituting the lead assault group at Stalingrad. It was a bunch of Croatians. So it's like, so the Germans hated Slavs, yet, you know, they, they were treating the Croats as, you know, not just fellow national socialists, but, you know, their racial brothers and arms. You know, the Slovak's too were very, you know, Hitler had great respect for Tiso, and there was a basic affinity between the Slovak, uh, clerical fascist state and Germany. O'Dillo Globocchnik, we'll get into in a minute, because he played an important role in the territorial policy of the SD. He was a Balkan slob. You know, I mean, there ain't no Germans named Odilyo Globatchnik.

And he was the equivalent of a, he was the equivalent of a full colonel in the SS. You know, I mean, it's examples of a legion, you know, there wasn't, you know, again, but the main thing is, like I said, there was, There was no category de jure of slob. It's not really, it's a cultural and linguistic category, but in and of itself, it's not, it's not a racial designation anyway, nor is it viewed that way in those days. But the big, if you want to put a date,

and forgive me, that was very much a digression. You want to put a date on when was Ross and Crea policy formalized? the Ober Salzburg meeting on always 22nd, 1939. This is when it became clear that war with Poland wasn't out of bull. Hitler called him meeting. He summoned a bunch of elements from OkW as well as Himmler and some of the higher SS leaders.

and von Bach Fador von Bach was a Feldmarshal he said that Hitler openly stated that the coming war things are going to be done of which German generals would not approve

you know and he said therefore I'm not going to burden the army with necessary liquidations and it's also you know like I said the Hitler Himmler was an old fighter, and Hitler respected him.

And he wanted to kind of test the apparatus Himler was presiding over in a territorial policy that was being curated. And Himmler was ominous as the task was, was more than happy to abide at it, because it gave him this. tremendous mandate. You know, and this was the birth of the Einstein Sgrupin. That's when Hitler literally gave Himmler the task of forming the Einstein Sgrupin. Now, to be clear, because this becomes an issue of controversy, and this is actually this, this really was at the core of the Irving trial. Air Grid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the northwest.

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Get the facts. Be Drinkaware. Visit drinkaware. Irving's claim, and I accept this, Irving's claim is that there was no furor order that ordered the final solution. There was no mass conspiracy from the top down to exterminate European Jewry that was being managed and directed by Hitler. That should be obvious. Like, to claim otherwise, that's like saying that Lyndon Johnson ordered the Mielei massacre, and he was pouring over body count reports and demanding to know what the ratio was in free fire zones in Vietnam.

That's just not how executive power works in the modern state. You know, incident to a territorial policy, obviously you're going to need elements that deal in very bloody and grim things, like ethnic cleansing. and like anti-partisan duty, which honestly, there's this gray area between what constitutes anti-partisan duty and what is just ethnic cleansing. Okay, this isn't semantics or word games, this is a fact. And the earliest iteration of what became the Einzscheppen, during the Anschluss, Hydrick deployed with Order Police and SD elements

that have been designated Sonder Commandos, literally special detachment elements. And they went into Austria to basically protect the rear echelons and handle constabulary duty

with an eye for deep security, you know, communists and Jewish agitators and other people who were, you know, axiomatically opposed to the Reich. And the Sonder Commandos deployed again when Czechoslovakia fractured and, you know, the protectorate was declared and the Vermach moved in. to the Czech rump state. But once the immediate task at hand was over, they'd kind of been like reabsorbed into this like subordinate element accountable to the Gestapo and the SD generally. So it was the over Salzburg meeting in August 39. That was the birth of the Einzestr-Skrupen.

informal terms. And that is, if we're talking about ethnic cleansing and Ross and Krieg and, and, the territorial policy, the other important, the other important event and date is October 43, the Post and speeches,

where Hitler openly, he doesn't dwell on it, but he talks about, you know, In the context of the territorial policy, the assembled higher assessment police leaders, he says we're talking about the annihilation of the Jewish people. He openly says that. And people can argue semantics with me on that. But, like, again, why, I don't know why people who identify as revisionists try and take this kind of perspective of none of this happened.

That's silly. And it's also, it's not the issue. You know, it's, the issue is this is characteristic of modern war and it doesn't represent some rarefied evil or something. And foundationally, too, it's not an accident. I mean, 1939, obviously something we haven't addressed in discrete terms yet. We've been talking about the territorial policy. And the Ross and Krieg between, you know, the Eastern Slavs and the Germans, we haven't specifically talked about, you know, the ethnic cleansing of the Eastern European Jews. The, I mean, obviously coded into national socialist ethics, you know, is the understanding that.

Jews of the enemy in existential and ontological terms, but it was in January 939. That's when Hitler issued the speech before the Reichstag. So eight months before your Salisberg meeting, that's when he said, quote, today I'm going to once again be a profit. If the international finance jury, if international finance jewelry in the side and outside of Europe manages once more to precipitate the world into war. The outcome will not be the bolshevization of the earth and the consequent triumph of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe." Now, this was when this was in response to, according to most people who know the lore,

immediately prior Hymn. Weissman, who was an essential figure or a key figure in what became the focus. He'd written a letter in Evel Chamberlain, promising that all Jews everywhere stood with the UK and on the side of anybody who fought the Third Reich. And the Times published that letter, and that's the source of that headline, you know, World Jury declares war against the German Reich. So that's the context. And January

1942, and Hitler referred to the Weissman's statement on more than one occasion. And then January 30th, 1942, I don't accept the Vancey conference narrative. We can talk about that at some point. point why I think it was part of the narrative aspect of the case in chief for specific intent homicide.

So it was a, and if you know anything about the way prosecuting authority structure cases, it's based on narrative. So I don't accept that, but it is clear the Einstein's group and became active in earnest. in the opening weeks and months of of 1942 and it was January 42 he said he said for the first time we're implementing ancient Jewish law

eye for an eye tooth for a tooth you know we're against the tribe obviously the you know the intended sentiment being the Jew started this war and so now they're reaping the whirlwind and they're waging a racial war on Europe. We are waging a racial war against them in kind.

I place a lot of emphasis on direct testimony and declarations of key personages. I mean, whatever the subject matter is, probably because my background in part is in the law, but it's essential to understanding the perspective of the furor, and particularly because this is an issue that's specifically put in controversy, you know, about not just executive intent, but the degree to which policy was being driven by individual decisions, you know, and obviously no decisions of a political sort. in war in peace especially, or rendered in isolation.

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You know, and this is also when it became clear, you know, that the Allies intended to destroy Germany, you know, and it's, okay, this is an existential fight, and, you know, the Jews have openly declared war on us. And it would be clear, too, whether you accept this or not, I mean, not you personally mean, whether anybody accept this or not, not just Adolf Hitler, but the entirety of the German Reich, leadership class, really their military element, they viewed the world Jewish population as a combatant actor. The fact that there wasn't a Jewish national state, it didn't matter. You know, they viewed them as a party combatant to hostilities. You know, so if you're going to burn our cities to the ground and set 50,000 women, kids, and old people on fire. When we find you in Belarus, we're going to kill all of you and kick you into a ditch. I mean, that was the, you know, that's pretty awful stuff, but, you know, that was the mindset.

That's the reality. You know, this stuff wasn't just spontaneous. And, you know, it's also, and it's convoluted, too, because speaking of, like speaking of Globocchnick or Paul Blobel, actually. But, you know, Blobel, it was claimed, he was responsible for the Bobby R massacre. Like, what was claimed, the casualties claimed at Bobby R, that's literally not possible. You know, so, I mean, there's all this, you got to wade through this bullshit to, grossly exaggerator, just crazy claims. So then that further convolutes the issue,

and that also encourages people to doubt the entirety of what happened, you know, and things like that. So I wanted to mention the loci of that photograph to bring it back the Lublin district in the east. Globoschnik, Heidrich, and Himmler himself, they had an idea of creating German settlements in what was formerly Poland and Ukraine,

and then ultimately, you know, Russia proper. You know, they wanted to create these settlements areas where SS men would be given a life fiefdom, like a life estate. And, you know, they'd be this kind of warrior, Yeo menry, like, the equivalent of like DeFacht, I'm Ryan, but of the eastern frontier, you know, and they'd be this professional warrior element, but, you know, they'd also preside over these big agrarian estates. and that would be the bread basket of, you know, Western Europe. And Venizia, there's this quadrilateral sort of territory,

bounded by Lublin, Zutomir, Venetia, and Lavov. Each was a special, or not special, each was, there was a lot of SS activity, and particularly Einstein's group and activity at each of those. loci and lublin specifically that was the globotchnik's headquarters um the rikesphere s s hemler his uh command hq was at zithamir um and uh during the first phase of first phases of barbarosa as the Vermeck made rapid advance, there was a settlement center

that Himmler set up for German Ukrainians to basically corral the Ukrainian folkstreich and give them first choice on where they wanted to live and try and curate a vanguard population of Volksstreich as the hostilities were underwold. way to beef up security in the rear areas, but also, you know, the Germans realized they were racing the clock. Even if NC had been realized in, you know, December 41, it, Carl Wolf wrote about this,

you know, who was SS adjutant to Hitler. It was just an interesting guy, and he, he's, he's, is, um, I, if you come across, interviews, one of which from around 1981 was really fascinating. But he said some interesting stuff, and he made the point that everybody in the control element around the furor, and he was in a position

to know, because I mean, he was literally the SS adjutant to the fur, realized we were racing the clock, you know, And that's one of the reasons why the RSA and the SD and the Einstein group and became so active. You know, the, but yeah, the kind of Polish, the Polish Ukrainian frontier for ethnic reasons, for geo-strategic reasons, for strategic reasons, for reasons of arable land. and because historically that was the heartland of Folkstoych in the east you know this all magnified the significance of this area so that's that's part of it too and Glabashnik's an interesting figure he was a bad guy like he uh I mean I

mean I'm not being judgmental on some petty stupid way I mean you need you need bad guys get things done at war but he he was uh very much a gangster he murdered some guy some jeweler in vienna and um he was a wanted man and the fact that the national socialists who had war with the dulfus regime i mean they ended up murdering him you know dulfus uh that's one of the things that kind of spared him from being held this account for it but you know he also uh he got in trouble for graft and he actually he got uh i think he actually did time in a concentration camp for for graft and theft and hydraig intervened to to get him sprung because you know he was exactly the kind of man one

needed for this kind of duty but yeah it's really interesting and uh Thanks. I don't want to talk a ghoul, but this stuff's really in my wheelhouse, and especially because right now it directly tracks with the manuscript I'm working on. So it was the forefront of my mind. I saw that news bit. I shouted out some stuff about it on social media. That's photograph, you know.

And it's an upsetting photograph, you know. And I realize it's probably not a topic. A lot of people want to get into or think about over their lunch break. something, but it's important. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, the, the, the, the things and the, and things and as it evolves. It's also not for, I mean, most people aren't even equipped to study this because they've we the social engineering regime has made it so that talking about this is you know uncouth and your yeah yeah and also people just don't because of what we've been taught for so long you know and the and the realities of modern warfare being basically from the sky and from drones and

dropping bombs on people. This is foreign to everybody. And also, you're trying to you're trying to project American values and whatever American values are now

upon something that happened 80 years ago and 90 years ago that is a completely different world and everybody just wants to judge something from the past through, oh, we're so much better than that now. And I would say, no, we're not.

No, not at all. And I, yeah, and that's what, you know, like I said, in NOM, this kind of stuff, identical stuff, albeit again, the, the rationale within the parameters of, of the conflict were different, but, you know, this kind of categorical homicide was the norm. Apparently it's okay if Israel does this, but, you know, that, owing to, you know, a special dispensation. So, no, it's very dishonest, you know, and this, you know, like I said, I'm not, this stuff's important. That's why I mean, I basically dedicated my professional life to researching this now. And I, like I said, I wasn't trying to be a shill, but I believe in this manuscript writing.

I think it's important. The subject matter is, not I'm important. And I appreciate having a chance to talk about it. And like I said, it was timely because I was fascinated too by that facial recognition software identifying the man in the photograph that's wild well it'd be interesting if we could use that to um identify some people in some russian or ukrainian photographs from the bolshevik times and oh but i'm sorry you they get a they get a pass because um yeah you know yeah and it yeah yeah so probably gonna be i mean i'm not trying to be flippant but um

is a this is going to make it a harder of people to like run from their past if they've if they've done bad things that got captured on video or some girl made a mistake years back and did like some some some sleazy pown movie or something i mean like i'm not kidding this this does have potential i guess i guess the rebuttal people just claim it's like deep fake or something but it's i um no it's it's got for historical It's tremendously useful and it's going to, it's going to resolve something during mysteries. Definitely. All right. Thank you.

Thank you for this. And I encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's Substack. That's Real Thomas 777.7.com. And to, yeah, what's your, the website again? What's the address on the website? It's Thomas 777.com. It's number 7-H-M-A-S-777.com. It was briefly down for like 24 hours, but it's up again.

And there's my newest content's posted up there. So, yeah, check out the website. And from the website, you should be able to navigate to everywhere I'm at, you know, like Instagram, social media, you know, all that stuff. And, yeah, I appreciate you. hosting me, ma'am. Always, Thomas. Thank you very much. Appreciate you.