The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1286: Learning from the Martyrdom of José Calvo Sotelo w/ Karl Dahl

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

84 MinutesPG-13Karl Dahl is an author specializing in the Spanish Civil War and historical "fiction."Karl and Pete discuss the martyrdom of Jose Calvo Sotelo, which marked a turning point for the Right in Spain in 1936.Now and Then: The Murder of José Calvo SoteloFaction: With the CrusadersKarl's SubstackKarl's MerchPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Awesome, awesome. Let's continue talking about the Spanish Civil War. And there's a collection of episodes that we have that I call, you know, like specific subjects, like targeted, targeted subjects that I release every once in a while as a large file for people to listen to. They can have it all in one spot. And I assume this one is going, this one will definitely be added on to that. But this is a really, this is important. And this is one of those, one of those things that once you understand the story of Jose Calvo Sotelo, you can start understanding that if something isn't done pretty quickly, this is the kind of direction we're headed. So, yeah, I'll turn it over to you.

Yeah, so I have to point out on my substack, I publish many pieces. It's typically research that I've done with primary sources or like one source removed. That's really good summary material using Spanish primary sources, Spanish language material. And in this case, I have two articles now in the now and then series by my friend Morgor, who's a Spanish friend and correspondence. He helped me with a lot of Spanish language idiom and a little bit of research validating some of the assumptions that I was making based on my own studies of material. when I was working on with the Crusaders. And so he's the one who helped with the Negratta Brilliante turn of phrase that I had to add to that story for a nice twist. And he has really enjoyed diving into the subject himself.

He's one of us. And the environment in Spain is really interesting because there's all this great material and there's a subset of the population that knows the score. In Spain, the academy and the government are acting like, you know, the Western misperception propaganda, propaganda-driven misperception of the war is correct. But they have way too much evidence to the contrary from primary sources that really explain the situation. And that creates a big challenge for them in the academy, and they have their own kind of, you know, correcting the record revisionist population that has to play a little bit to, the, you know, the current powers that be while also having a realistic conversation on the subject of what was actually going on. So for example, you know, one of the big elements is that there was no, there was no happy middle ground like, you know, Democratic Republic that wasn't Bolshevik. And the anarchists weren't just these, you know, kind of.

of libertarian hippies who wanted to be left alone man. You know, that's totally not the case. You have to deal with the reality of the people. And you don't see this kind of information in so many of the English language sources. Stanley Payne's an exception. But, you know, the big boys, Bevoir, Preston, Thomas, etc. aren't going to bring you the material that we have here, which is taken from very good sources that can be found all over the Internet in Spanish that Morgora has translated for us with an introduction.

His motivation for this was when Charlie Kirk was shot, he immediately was like, you know, there's elements that are related to this, but he agreed with me, which is that, you know, Charlie Kirk is going to be. be a martyr figure. And he's an early, like you said, Pete, warning of where this is going to go if we don't change direction. And the direction change has to be done by the government. And we have

Trump and his people in the administration right now. We absolutely need them to step in and intervene and be the legitimate system that will uphold order because you can't do this one-z-to-z-to-z light touch thing that will just like push it out into the future. And you really have to crush these people. So that was the motivation for this piece. There's a large section, well, there's a section of kind of opinion and observation, a summary.

of the life of Jose Calvo So Tello, who was a Spanish parliamentarian, who was murdered, which essentially set things in motion for the military uprising, which caused the Spanish Civil War. And we have great detail about the actual night of the murder and the days beforehand, what was taking place in the government, where they made the arrangements, which made this possible from like a security perspective. And I think people need to understand that the, you know, when you hear that the government, you know, basically they, it was elements inside the argument that planned this that said, you know, this must be done.

People need to realize that they didn't go, obviously they didn't go out to do it. They sent their, was it the civil ghetto? largely and they also had assault guards and some other bullet and yeah yeah so you're not going to you're probably not going to have that in this country because they've already built up an army on the street so what people i think need to understand is is that you can make fun of these people all you want these people who show up at protests and are black block and masks. And whenever they get arrested, you get to see the, you get to see the mug shots and you get to laugh at them.

These are people who have nothing to lose. They have no life whatsoever. And they're just waiting. Yep. They're waiting to be told, yeah, sure, you can go. we're not going to stop you if you start killing our enemies. And once you realize that that is, that's what it is that you will have, it will come off as random violence, but really it's top down because it's always top

down. Sorry. Yeah, they have to create the conditions that make it possible. And that comes from the top down. Correct. So, you know, even though once you go through this story and you see exactly who the players were, you need to understand that these people are already out there. And, yeah, they're, they're not going to, they have no one, they're not going to answer to anyone unless people decide now to make them answer. because unless you get this reined in now, it's going to be much more difficult to rain it in later.

Because this is not going to jump off the way it will when Donald Trump is president or even a Trump kind of person as president. But unless you crush these people now, there will be somebody who is, who wants to kill you because of what you believe that will get in office. and that's when these people or the ones that come after them will be activated. And I know people don't want to believe that. But when you start studying who like the leftists were, the people on the left in the Spanish Civil War,

these weren't impressive people. No. These people were scum. They were no different than the anti-fight you're making fun of when you see their mugshots. Yet how many people did they kill? How many people did they execute? There is a, I'm going to be doing a show with Astral after Halloween on anarcho-tirony and bio-Leninism as it relates to Spain, and as well as just those pieces. So like Sam Francis on anarcho-tirony and Spandrel on biolaninism.

And if you go through and you look at the photos of the, to your point, Pete, the photos of the, photos of the leaders of the left in Spain, they all look like degenerates. Every single one of them. None of them are handsome. None of them look in the least bit like ordered. It's completely crazy when you see that. And it's like you said, it's just like when you see the mugshot of the Antifa types. It's just these degenital.

And it's an interesting, it's an interesting process because there's a little bit of a chicken and egg thing going on there. There's interesting arguments to be had there, and a lot of work has been done by psychiatrists in the past on this subject. But that is a conversation for another time. ESB transformed how the country powered itself once. And now we're doing it again. Working with businesses all across Ireland, helping them reduce their energy costs, reach their sustainability goals,

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So shall we consult the piece? Please, let's do it. Okay, great. So I'm going to cruise down. Shall we start out with just kind of an overview of who Jose Calvo So Tella was and who he represented? Absolutely. But I would, I think it's hilarious. I realize this the other day that both sides of my family come from.

from Galicia. Oh, interesting. Came to this kind, like came to this kind. Like I have relatives that came from Galicia in Spain. You know, or I mean, really is that Spain or Portugal? Historically, who knows? Yes, exactly. It could be France too.

But, you know, also, you know, my great grandparents escaped Galicia to get away from the murderous psychopaths there in 1910 and 1911. That's the one up in, uh, up in the class. one in the other corner of the of the peninsula yeah yeah I believe I believe morgores from from Galicia I believe he's Galician all is he uh so he's back is he Basque um I don't have a way of knowing um but yeah I believe so wouldn't be wouldn't be surprising if he was oh I'm sure I'm sure genetically the the vast majority of especially northern Spaniards are going to show up as quote unquote

Basque. Well, especially the ones that are racially aware. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. So should I just read directly from the piece? Yeah, go ahead, ma'am. It'd be nice for an episode like this where I don't have to read. You have the most melodious voice, but I will happily dive into this.

So now and then the murder. of Jose Calvo Soelho. I begin with a brief biography of Jose Calvo Soelho as it is appropriate to have an understanding of the man whose murder we are discussing. Jose Calvo Soelho was born in Tui, Galicia, on May 6, 1893, to a deeply religious middle-class family. In his early years, he proved to be a very capable and intelligent young man, who easily scored in the top of his class. He began work on his bachelor's degree at the University of Zaragotha in 1909, where he showed great aptitude for the sciences and languages, but like Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, he was drawn to the law. As a student, he took many small jobs, such as artist or tutor, to aid his family while still excelling in academics. He graduated in 1912.

Armed with his bachelor's, he undertook doctoral studies at the University of Madrid, where he became extremely close to his professor, Gumercindo Azkarate, who eventually nominated his thesis for an extraordinary doctorate award. I checked it out. Extraordinary Doctorate Award is like the top person in every field of study in Spain. whether it's at the university level or nationally, they kind of call it the same thing. So shortly after completing his studies, Jose Calvo Soelho applied for the public examination to work in the Ministry of Justice. And keep in mind, he's like 21 years old at this time. While preparing for his upcoming exams,

he became a familiar site in debate circles at Madrid's many libraries in Atheniums. Here, Calvo's, Sotelo would meet many of his future political foes, such as Manuel, Azanya, and Angel Galarza. It was around 1915 when he was appointed Secretary of Politics and Moral Sciences, when Calvo Soelho became a supporter of Marizmo, a truly reactionary conservative faction led by Antonio Mora, which broke off in a schism within the contemporary conservative party. And then my editor's note, the conservative.

conservative and liberal parties had participated in the Torno Pacifico, the peaceful turn, in which leadership of the government was handed off between the two parties in fixed intervals over several decades, a real-life example of the conservative, quote, if you use government power, the opposition will simply use that same power against you, so never do anything for your constituency, unquote, mentality. In 1916, at the age of 23, he became a state attorney after achieving a perfect examination score. In a twist of fate, Calvo Sotelo was assigned to Toledo, where he met Enriquez de Grondona, daughter of a wealthy and prominent civil engineer whom he would wed a year later.

In 191919, Antonio Mora selected Calvo Sotelo to become an electoral candidate for his faction, and in the following elections, he became a member of parliament, a position he lost the following year. In 1921, with grave disasters, such as the murder of Eduardo Dato by Catalan anarchists, and the disaster of Anuol, an earth-shaking defeat of the Spanish army in the Moroccan Rift War, new elections were held in which the Moras surged. Mora became president again, and Calvo Sotelo was appointed governor of Valencia. All changed drastically the 13th of September, 1923, with the military coup d'etat led by General Primo de Rivera, driven by reactionary elements who were done with the weakness of the parliament and useless squabbling of the politicians

and sought to, quote, regenerate Spain. Calvo Sotelo strongly ascribed to these ideas and became a vocal support. reporter of the dictatorship. He was soon appointed general administration director, and later, in 1925, he was appointed chief of the revenue ministry, where he carried out many innovative tax reforms, which would result in some people calling him a, quote, communist. So this is that third position that the Spanish right was shifting towards, particularly the younger Spanish right. In 1930, shortly after the death of old age of General Primo de Rivera and the global stock market crash of 1929, Calvo Sotelo and many former ministers of the dictatorship decided to band together to create a party

which, quote, carried the spirit and will of Primo de Rivera, unquote, to help Spain recover. They sought the aid of General Berringer, the then dictator, to form a government, but with mood brought about by the victory of Republican and left-wing parties in the 1931 elections, Calvo Sotello fled to Portugal. The painful birth of the Republic, celebrated with looting and the destruction of churches, deeply tarnished Calvo Soelho's belief in helping Spain recover via political means. Nonetheless, he became a Morist candidate for Arensi Galicia, and the hope that the law of pardons would be applied to him in the same manner it was applied to communist criminals,

such as Largo Caballero and Julian Bastiero, who had led the strike of 1917. Side note, Morriguer is going to do an article about Largo Caballero, for whom there just isn't a lot of really good English language material. There are some new biographies that are available. there's one where that the title, and again, Spanish language only, the title is essentially Largo Caboero, Spain's Lenin, or the Spanish Lenin. So that will be coming.

But didn't he, when he was in jail, didn't he call himself that? Correct. Yeah, he referred to himself as that when he was in jail, yeah. Even though the party he represented wasn't a per se Bolshevik party, it was a Spanish kind of national socialist, quote unquote party. in a left sense, but he converted to Marxist Leninism while he was in prison and then was totally open about it. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design, they move you, even before you drive.

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5th of November, have your say online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community. Find out more at airgrid.i. 4.n. Northwest. Okay. However, the Republicans sought to persecute those who had, quote, collaborated with the dictatorship and created a special court, which further soured Calvo Soelho's opinion on the republic. In 1933, Calvo Sotelo established residence in Paris, where he networked with and learned from personalities such as Charles Morris of Action Francai, and established ties with the Italian government via Italo Balbo, even meeting Il Ducche himself in Rome to garner support for the conservative movement of Spain. Yet his most important role during exile was as a conduit between the Carlists and Alphanists to create a unified, monarchist element. With the passing of an amnesty law in April 1934 and the resounding defeat of the left in the 1934 general elections, Calvo Sotelo returned to Spain as a member of parliament

for the party Renovacion Española. And here's an image from a Renovacion Espanola event. Excellent. That flag is incredible energy. incredible energy. And look at that carpet, that rug. Oh, yeah. All right. His political career after returning to Spain is well known, specifically because he became an icon of the right,

which the leftist sought more than any other to cast down, not only because he was staunch in his assertions, but because he had served in government during the dictatorship and was thus a collaborator. The left was truly out for blood, which in his case would be realized a tragic night of July 12, 1936. If this murder was not, quote, unquote, premeditated, it had been announced multiple times in the days prior. It was during a session of parliament on June 16, 1936, when then Minister of War, Santiago Casares Kiroga threatened Jose Calvo Sotelo, amid thunderous support from fellow leftists. who began shouting, hail the Red Army. Let's stop right there. They're just liberal Democrats. I mean, this is a Republican.

Is this a Republican government? Incredible. Oh, yeah. See, what happened in Spain was they had the, they elected this Republican government and everything was going to be great. And a bunch of fascist rose up to overthrow the Republican government that was shouting, hail the red army.

And for those who don't know, the Spanish Republic's army had red rank insignia with red stars on it and was led by, they were advised and sometimes led directly by NKVD. and always NKVD trained and led officers. This was a communist operation run by the Soviets in Western Europe. It was Republican. It says it's that's their name. Their name are Republicans. Aren't you a Republican?

It's incredible. It's incredible. That very day, the commander of the Corps of Carabinero's and close friend of Casares Kiroga, Luis Barcelo, said, quote, I will kill him myself, unquote. On June 29th, then General Security Chief Alonzo Malol, called agents Jose Gariga Pato, a communist fully loyal to the Popular Front. The Popular Front was the basically the coalition of leftist, communist, etc. parties that were running the government.

And Rodolfo Serrano de la Parte, a close friend of Casares Kiroga, to his office to replace the current agents who were then assigned to guard Calvo Soelho. So they hand-picked leftists to be his guards. The following day, Staff Sergeant Lorenzo Aguirre

Sanchez briefed the two men that their task was not one of protection but of espionage. They were to report on Calvo Sotelo's schedule and the identities of everyone that met with him. Two days later, the very same sergeant informed the men, per orders from the security chief, that if an attempt on the life of Calvo Sotelo were made in a public place with witnesses, they should pretend to protect him. But if it happened in a place without witnesses, they should, should be sure to finish him off. And here's Santiago Casares Kiroga.

It looks like a worm. Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how the physiognomy never fails on these people. Never. Never. And we're not talking about just, um, no, the kind of physiognomy that we normally talk about. We're talking about just, you know, the, um, the mystery grove tweet. Yes.

ugly, ugly people. Yeah, exactly. You can tell if you do a line chart, you know, the eye, top of the ear, et cetera. That's not what we're talking about here. Right. Yeah, yeah. All right. Unfortunately for the conspirators, Agent Rodolfo Serrano had a conscience.

He spoke of this troubling revelation with Joaquin Bownola, a Carlist member of parliament and close friend of Calvo Sotelo. Upon hearing this news, Mr. Bao immediately visited the office of the Minister of Government to confront him about this outrageous order. Minister Alfredo Moles denied having given such an order. The following day, Bao and Calvo Sotelo visited the office, now more alarmed than before, in demanding explanations. Moles downplayed their alarm saying that it was quote-unquote trash talk, from a couple of officers, to which Calvo Sotelo, rightfully angered, asked the minister, are we their buddies or members of the government? In the early evening hours of July 12th, assault guard lieutenant Jose del Castillo was assassinated by suspected members of the Falunhe, although succeeding events prevented the government from confirming who had murdered him.

Upon hearing this news, an emergency cabinet meeting regarding retaliation for the murder of Lieutenant. del Castillo was conducted between Alfredo Moles, Casares Chiroga, and Alonzo Malol, with commander of the Guardia de Assaulto, the assault guards, Ricardo Burrio Sotoli, Lieutenant Maximo Moreno, and captain of the Guardia Civil Fernando Condes. After a heated discussion, it was agreed that they would arrest high-profile right-wing figures and defined a list of suspects to which they added a few standing members of Parliament, hey, why not? Among which were Jose Maria Gil Robles and Jose Calvo Soelho. During the early hours of July 13th, Fernando Condes gathered a number of men at the Pontejos Barracks, the most important names among them, aside from Condes, were Victoriano

Quenca, aka Luis Quenca Estevas, a hitman, bodyguard and close friend of the socialist Indolecio Prieto, known as the Cuban. Jose Ray Hernandez, bodyguard and close friend of the socialist Margarita Nelkin. Hmm, interesting last name. Frederico Coelho Garcia, medical student, socialist and coast friend, close friend of Indolecio Prieto, and Aniteto Castro Piniera, member of the Gardia de Assaulto, who would later confess to the events which transpired. There were a total of 14 men in a van,

followed by a car with five more. The van is interesting. We have a picture of it in this article. It's of the era. Very narrow. The group, after a fruitless hunt for Jose Gilroblis, who was away from Madrid, decided to drive to Velazquez Street, number 89,

the home of Calvo Soelho. So I'll point out, Jose Gilroblis, I have an article in here that Morglur also wrote, which is translating a speech that Jose Gilroblis gave in the Cortes after the assassination of Calvo So Tello, which basically stated the rights case and why they were done with talking anymore. Jose Gilroblis was the leader of Seda, which was that coalition government, and Jose Calvo Sotelo wasn't the leader, but he was like one of the most prominent figures of that Renovacion Española, which was that royalist faction. Condes and Quenka left the van at Calvo Sotelo's home with a group of Gardia who surrounded the building. The rest followed Condez and Cuenca inside, where they knocked on the door and were met by a maid. And remember, this is like two or three in the morning. They stated that they wanted to carry out a search.

The maid warned Calvo Sotelo of what was taking place, so he came to the door. Upon opening, Condes and his men entered the home and told Calvo Sotelo that they were to search his house. They spread out and cut the phone line. Quenka instructed Calvo Sotelo that, by order of the general security directorate, he was under arrest. Upon hearing this, Sotelo warned the men that he was a member of parliament, and he could not be arrested without the order of a judge or clear evidence of a crime. Calvo Sotelo attempted to make a call to the security directorate, but he realized the line had been cut, and the troopers were preventing his wife and maids from leaving the house to call for help. Due to the tense situation, Condes showed his badge and assured Calvo Sotelo that he was called for an emergency meeting in Parliament. Once they arrived, he could meet with the security chief himself.

Seeing the tense situation he was in, on top of his family being completely surrounded and helpless, Calvo Sotelo agreed to leave his home for the quote-unquote meeting. After dressing and kissing his children goodbye, his wife pleaded with. with him not to leave the house. Calvo Sotelo reassured her that when he arrived at Parliament, he would call her, though he added, quote, unless these men put a bullet in the back of my head, unquote. This statement has led many to conclude that Calvo Sotelo suspected what was going to happen, but in order to protect his loved ones, he agreed to go even though he suspected he was to be murdered. In the van, Condes proceeded to tell his men that it was time

to leave. Aniseto Castro Pignero sat to the right of Sotelo, while Victoriano Quenka, the hit man, sat in the seat directly behind him. The van drove for roughly 500 meters when Victoriano drew a gun and shot Calvo Sotelo twice in the back of the head, causing him to fall dead upon the seats in front of him. The van didn't stop, and the men inside didn't protest or make a sound. Eventually the van reached a Guardia de Assaulto checkpoint, which upon seeing that the van was one of theirs, they let them through. Barely an hour later, the van arrived at the Cementario del Este, or Eastern Cemetery, where Condes hailed the guards to let the van in. The men left Calvosotelo's body at the door of the morgue without informing the graveyard shift employees of his identity. So this is a diagram where he's seated and his assassin was right behind him with all these other men.

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don't worry, nothing will happen. Quenka added, whoever blabs about this better kill himself, or else we will kill him like this month. Upon returning to the Pondejos Barracks, Commander Burrio received Condes and Quenca with a sound handshake and led them to his office while the driver, Tomas Perez, cleaned the back of the van of any blood.

The van would be decommissioned to the following day. Meanwhile, Calvo Sotelo's wife, Lady Enriquez de Grondona, excuse me, began to contact authorities, friends, and relatives the instant her husband was taken away. She tried best to report the kidnapping and get help to track down Cavalso Telo, but the pertinent authorities reported, quote, he hasn't arrived to the general security directorate, unquote. Many of the public employees, security officers, and command members of the General Security Directorate, and the Ministry of Public Order, corroborated that no one in charge upon hearing the news of the disappearance of Calvo Sotello took any action to find out where he was.

It wasn't until early in the morning when relatives of Calvo Sotello went directly to the government ministry that the crime report was even formally filed. In this report, a concerned lieutenant Sanchez Plaza recorded that during the night, van number 17 arrived after patrol with blood inside. due to a minor injury to one of the troopers, and all of the agents involved in the incident were reassigned to other duties the following day. This information caused panic among Sotelo's relatives, and after a short talk outside sub-secretary Osorio's office, Lieutenant Sanchez confirmed that a group of the Guardia de Assaulto

had committed high insubordination. So I have a nice image here of Jose Calvo's Sotelo's fellow's funeral, attended by thousands in Madrid. And I note that Libtards had sealed their fate. Well, they weren't, I mean, they were just getting started. But I mean, there was no way that after this that the military wasn't going to be involved. Yeah, there was no way that there was going to be any more talk. Right.

And I just think it's interesting that last year, 24, when Butler, Pennsylvania happened. It happened on July 13th. Yes. Yep. I remember you pointing that out. And it's, ugh,

it's wild. I mean, I don't know who they is. When I say, I don't know who they is, but they sure do like to pick certain dates, don't they? They use them over and over again.

They do. You can go back a couple centuries. on September, just search September 11th. Things that happened on September 11th. And you'll go back a couple centuries and you'll be like, this has to be wrong. When you see the things that were done on September 11th of certain years throughout the last few centuries,

it's one of those things where you're like, I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but how can I not be? Oh, of course. And it makes me, it makes me wonder sometimes. So there's obviously scenarios in which things are done on certain dates for deliberate reasons. There's also, you know, as Thomas likes to point out that war comes like the seasons, right? You will have a season of war. And so sometimes I think, you know, there are certain scenarios in which you're like, maybe that's just a cycle.

But it sure is interesting and it's definitely noteworthy. And at the very least, it bears scrutiny before you can come to any conclusions. Yep. Correct. All right. So again, this is the morning immediately after the assassination and tensions are extremely high, but things have not exploded yet. At the same time, at the same time, this report was being filed by the family and these conversations were taking place internally

with concerned officers and like legitimate guys who worked within the government. At the same time, Alonso Malol received in his office a nervous captain of the Gardia de Asalto concerned over the disappearance of Calvo Sotelo. Malol answered, quote, we should not make hasty conclusions as to what has happened. after all, whatever happened, we cannot do anything about it, unquote, signaling his passivity and suggesting to a certain degree that he knew what had happened. Later, this captain would corroborate the outstanding passivity of the government regarding the disappearance and potential member of a standing member of Parliament,

which spread in the media and reached the police chief of Madrid, who only gave an order to arrest the driver of the van. It wasn't until noon when a cemetery employee reported to Town Hall that the body of Calvo Sotelo was in the morgue, since he knew the man personally. He shared all of what was known to have happened that night at the morgue. Authorities who weren't controlled by left-wing elements soon mobilized to investigate the case, although they were constantly halted by higher-ups in the Republican government. For example, when a police lineup was conducted and, order to identify the troopers who took Calvo Sotelo, none of the agents who were there that night were called to it. In fact, the government took direct action to protect those involved in the

event. When Lieutenant Maximo Moreno was called to testify before a judge, he took refuge in the General Security Directorate for a week before agreeing to appear, where he refused to testify. after the military uprising on July 25th, a group of 10 armed communist militiamen burst into the Supreme Court of the Palace of Justice and demanded to be handed the files and everything related to the investigation of the murder of Calvo Sotelo. Powerless, a judge handed over the files and from there, nobody knows what happened to them. Most of the events related above were corroborated by many people from public officials to the friends and family of Jose Calvo Sotelo. Probably the most revealing and important of all testimony, details regarding the actual murder were recounted in an interview with Anaceto Castro Piniero, a guardian de Assaulto who was in the van when Sotelo was murdered. This enlightening interview performed during the war in a now. Nationalist prison camp was published in El Diario Vasco newspaper the 16th of November of 1938.

So this is two years later, before the war is over, this reporter is able to interview someone who was involved in what was taking place in these prisoner of war camps. the nationalists were taking all these people that they had captured who'd been fighting against them and interrogating and parsing them and corroborating their backgrounds and researching their backgrounds and stories to figure out are these just draftees? Are these people who've been involved in atrocities? Are these red agitators? Are they just like a liberal who happened to vote liberal, but they're not like fire breathers and then they were drafted or, you know, conscripted or whatever. Like, this is what those camps are like a major portion of what they were because you needed to figure out and identify who had brought the country to the point where there was a war.

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really isn't it only the Battle of Ebro that's really left like that's the only major thing that's going to happen correct it's still simmering at this time the Battle of the Ebro is still underway by November 16th of 38 they're completely isolated and cut off up there and so that just has to be resolved and then force is kind of reconstituted so that they can take Catalonia and then go through Valencia and up through up to Madrid There's a really good book by, by Osprey Press on the Battle of Ebro. It is detailed. And it is, you know how Daryl's World War I episode? Yeah. I mean, that's how that book is. And you're just like, oh, I'll have to get that. That's fairly recent, isn't it?

Or am I misremembering. Yeah. Yeah. And that, yeah, that's one of those ones where you're like, yeah, I wouldn't want to be in the trenches of World War I. it. I would not want to be in the battle of Ebro. No, you would not. On either side, it was brutal. It was brutal. All right. I wet my whistle and I'm ready to continue. So this is that interview straight out of the newspaper.

And you can find this in Spanish all over the internet in Spanish language, you know, Spanish civil themed websites and forums and stuff like that. I corroborated all this stuff. I have a screenshot of like the cover of this newspaper or the first page of the article like above the fold, etc. This is straight out of that paper. And there's photos of the people that are involved in everything like this.

This is incredibly well documented. These camps were not just atrocities taking place. They were just Democrats who wanted to vote, so they were in a prison camp. We filed the paperwork to access the prison camp and speak with the Gardia de Assaulto, who was in the van 17 when the illustrious Jose Calvo Sotelo was murdered. Aniceto Castro Pignero was taken prisoner by our forces in Madrid near the clinical hospital. We also need the permission of the standing judge to speak with a prisoner. It's a little, the translation here is slightly stilted, but it's a good translation in terms of being technically accurate.

This judge is a captain of the law corps who not only allowed us to talk with him, but accompanied us to the camp. We find many prisoners in this place. We are taken aback by the vast diversity of clothing, some wearing, sleeveless shirts, others wool jackets and most militia uniforms of many colors. Soon we see a prisoner leaving the barracks. He stands out among the rest due to the way he carries himself. That one is Anceto Castro Piniero, says the captain. He approaches our group and addressing the captain, he asks, Your orders? The captain answers, these people wish to ask you some questions. Interviewer. Where are you from? Aniceto. Lugo.

How old are you? 27. Marital status? I'm single. Siblings? I have two brothers. One in the Guardia de Asato and the other a priest. Interesting. Do you belong to any, or... Did you belong to any political organization or workers' union before joining the Corps? None. What was your employment before joining the Corps? I was a farmhand. I also worked as a stonecutter for a time. What was your first destination when you joined the Corps? I began in Oviedo, the capital of Asturias. I served from November of 1934, up to April of 1935, which would have been a rather busy

first tour, given what was going on up there. Then I was sent to Madrid. Did you request a transfer? Of course. The third of April, I joined the second assault company, one of the specials. What specialty did your company? have. We had divisions of machine gunners, mortars, and gas weapons. These are internal police. It's not, they aren't just like gum shoes and, you know, beat cops.

Who was in charge of your company? Captain Moreno Navarro, the entire group was under the orders of Commander Barrio. It was said that the second company you belonged to leaned heavily to the left. Almost every trooper in it was a member of the most extreme. extreme left-wing organizations. Truly, very few of us were moderates or right-leaning. Among our lot, there were two sergeants who were displeased with the leftist aspect of the company. It got to a point where any trooper and another company had problems or a fight with his superiors, due to their rebellious leftist attitude, they asked to be reassigned to the second company. They were among their peers there. However, there was another company formed mainly of right-wingers,

men of order and loyalty. We called it the Pacific Company. And I'll add a note here that keep in mind that the assault guards were a special core established under the Republic, by the Republic, specifically looking for a to create a new law enforcement arm that would be loyal to the Republic, that would enforce their, basically their politically, their politically, moderating stance. Their concern was that the Civil Guard was this old

established system that had a lot of royalists and people who had served under the dictatorship, and they wanted to create this new arm that would do whatever. But again, you know, obviously

you're getting these rather tough people, and so you need to go with who you can get. there's going to be kind of a mix of people, but they're kind of segregating, which you see during the war, the same thing took place. Some, uh, the different groups and it was heavily influenced by your chances of actually pulling off, you know, asserting whichever group, uh, you, uh, you decided to throw in with like in the time and place of where you were at. So like if you were behind like Republican lines, it would be a lot harder for you to,

you know, side with the, the nationalists. Gotcha. Okay. Continuing. Interviewer, I wish you to tell us how the crime against Mr. Calvo Sotello was planned and how it took place. I know very little of the planning. When Lieutenant Castillo was murdered, the second company was an uproar.

No wonder. Lieutenant Castillo had a great reputation among those men, and our company was commonly called the Revolution. They were very angry with corporals Francisco Condé Garcia and Mariano Garcia Garria being the angriest. They said they had to put all the fascists down. They had to kill them to the last to avenge the lieutenant. You didn't know the assassination of Lieutenant Castillo was carried out by the government in order to rouse the radical leftists into action. So this is kind of like, yeah, this is a theory.

that pushed by the right. I don't know how accurate it was. I don't think there's enough evidence to come to any conclusions there. But that was kind of one of the right wing quote unquote conspiracy theories that it was a, that it was an op of some kind. But it was the, it's commonly thought that the Falunke carried it out, right? Yeah, correct.

And I've never seen any evidence that that wasn't the case, but there isn't a ton of evidence. But again, he was a big glowing, pulsating target for the Falunhe because of the types of stuff that he was doing against them, where they would go. Castillo was leading men to arrest Falunhe members, and they would just, like, wipe them out quite often. So it's assumed that that's the case, but it's interesting when these things pop up. you know, conspiracy theories of the time. Continuing, he responds, no, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was carried out by the government as a false flag. Interviewer, keep going.

As I was saying, that kept going on about avenging Lieutenant Castillo, there were very heated arguments and fists in the air, and with those passions running high, we got to the night of the 12th and into the 13th. The captain of the Guardia Civil Condes was in the barracks of Pontejos. He was in plain clothes. He made his way to the boss's office. After that, others arrived. Among them, there was a sinister man, a hitman. It was he who carried out the barbaric crime. Soon begun rumors among the troopers that we were going to carry out the arrests of dozens of right-wingers.

With that news, the leftists among us rejoiced. And like that, midnight arrived. A little after midnight, many troops. troopers left to carry out the arrests. Around two in the morning, Lieutenant Andres Leone-Lupon left his office and addressed all of us saying, three of you get in the van. He then spoke with the Guardia, Jose Del Rey, and gave him a document that looked like a list with names of people we were to arrest. Three of us in uniform got in the van. After us came the driver, Captain Condes and the Guardia, Jose Del Rey. After them arrived other troopers, all in plain clothes, and

belonging to the Gardia de Asselto. With them came the sinister hitman that, as it was rumored then, and I would know much later, was the bodyguard of former socialist minister in Deletio Prieto. That man had a badge from our corps given to him by the General Security Directorate, even though he didn't fulfill the requirements, which would be handy. He looked to be around 27, strong and cheery. He was always smiling. We left the barracks.

and left up Alcala Street until we reached Velazquez Street, driving to a building at the end of the street. We stopped there, and the doorman approached the van to ask the driver if we arrived to arrest Calvo Sotelo. One of the troopers shouted to him to open the door, keep quiet, and leave if he didn't want to get killed. Captain Condes, who by order of Lieutenant Lupion, we had to obey, ordered the Gardias with machine pistols to surround the building and other to cover the surrounding streets. After that, Condes, accompanied by the Guardia Jose Del Rey, and the hitman, went into the home of Mr. Calvo Soelho. By the door, there was the doormand and two guards who were on duty guarding the house. I do not know what happened inside. Nobody spoke of it. Around 15 minutes later, they came down. The three of them with Calvo Soelho, who dressed in a gray suit

and carried a briefcase. They made him get into the van, and he took the third seat in the middle, I sat to his left and do his right was another trooper. The hitman sat directly behind Calvo Sotelo. Worried, Mr. Sotelo asked where the captain was, and Condes answered from outside the van. He looked at us and said, Let's see what they want with me. The other troopers got in the van soon after. We could see some of his relatives peeking out of the balconies and windows to bid him farewell, to which he answered, waving his hand.

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Find out more at airgrid.i.4.Northwest. After that, the van departed. We drove down Velasca Street. We didn't even drive 500 meters when we heard a weird popping sound. Then Calvo Sotello, without giving a hint of pain, dropped onto the seat in front of him, and rolled on the Gardia to his right. Finally, he dropped to the floor. Two men kicked his body so that it would fit between the two rows of seats.

You want me to read? Oh, I'm okay. Okay. Moments after the gunmen who sat behind Mr. Sotelo got up and kneeling on the seat, shot him again in the head. He said, one of the murderers of Castillo is down. And again, you were like, one of the murders of Castillo, what are you talking about? When the anarchists and socialist and communist risings took place in Asturias and all over the country in 1932, excuse me, 1933 into 1934, the government cracked down on them and the right-wingers were blamed,

even though like the republic's government, the Republican government basically said this is too much. We got to do something. And the excuse for the uprising, which of course, the real goal behind it was Bolshevik revolution and anarchist revolution, was that, oh, well, we can't. can't tolerate, you know, having an elected right-wing government after a legitimate election. Like, it's the Republican we're stealing this motherfucker. So that's their cope is they do killing.

There's a reaction to them. And then they call the people who reacted to them to bring in order, the murderers, right? Sounds familiar, huh? Sounds familiar. Sounds familiar. I noted that the first shot of the hitman was from below and the netherers. nape, while the second was from above in the head. I think the first one had to be lethal. Then the guardia to the right of Calvo Sotelo got up and left for a seat in the back.

I sat still. Nobody realized that such a horrible murder took place? Nobody said a word. Those in the back of the van didn't even turn their heads. The van kept driving on with its terrible cargo. When we reached the crossing with Alcala Street, there were a couple of Guardia de Assaulto at a checkpoint, stopping any driver and asking for papers from anyone driving at that hour. They signaled us to stop, but when they saw we were in a van of the security directorate, they let us through. We kept driving on to the Eastern Cemetery. We tried to place the body of Calvo Sotello in such a way that you couldn't see it from the outside. We arrived to the graveyard, and Captain Condes and Del Rey hailed the cemetery guards.

They opened the doors and let us through until we reached the building. The captain told us to drop the body and three of us took it out of the van. I grabbed one of his arms, another the legs, and another the other arm. We pulled as hard as we could, but due to how he fell, it wasn't easy to get him out. That's why he had bruises on the knees. We dropped the body outside. There wasn't a struggle? No.

The van was filled with blood, but caused. Calvo Sotelo didn't utter a word. Soon after we drove back to the barracks, the driver, looking at us and addressing Captain Condez, said, quote, I suppose you won't wrap me out, unquote. Del Rey answered, quote, don't worry, whoever blabs about this better kill himself, or else we will kill him like this month, unquote. We drove back without uttering a word until we got back to the barracks. When we arrived to the hitman, or better said, the murderer of Calvo Sotelo,

and Captain Condez left for the office of Commander Barrio, who gave a handshake to the murderer. They went up to the commander's office. You didn't speak with any of the troopers about what happened? Not that day. Others caught wind of it from the papers, but I spoke about it with some friends the next day. And the van? What happened to it? Since it was soaked in blood, it had to be cleaned up.

That task was for Guardia Thomas Perez. Once it was done, it was ordered to. to be decommissioned. What happened after all of that? We all kept on active duty, but after that day we never saw Captain Condez or the hitman ever again. A few days after, due to the police investigation, a maid and a teacher that were in the home of Calvo Soelho came to the barracks for a lineup. All of our company was ordered to attend, except the three of us who were in the van the day of the murder. This was done to see if any of the servants of the house recognized any of the men who were there.

But the three of us that were in the van didn't set foot in the house anyways. While all of this happened, Lieutenant Barletta called the three of us who weren't at the identity parade, which the police lineup, and told us, quote, don't worry, nothing will happen to you. This hit was ordered by the general security director, who was ordered by the minister of government. everyone in the government and your bosses know about it. They are the ones who did it, unquote. Did he really say that? Exactly as he said, it was an order from the security director and the government minister.

And you know what happened to the others that were in the van with you? Yes, Gardea del Rey fled to Portugal and then was in Bada Hoz as head of the militia. Right now he's a lieutenant in Barcelona. I was told that the hitman was killed and justice was served on his part. They riddled him with bullets in Guadorama. And last I know, Captain Condes died in Estremadora. Weren't some Guardia and the driver of the van arrested and taken to the Palace of Justice?

Yes, but it was all a ruse. The government just put up a farce. Why do you think that Lieutenant Sanchez Planois went to the barracks of Pontejos? He was the head of the Gardia de Assaulto. He probably wanted to know what happened. This information confirms what we knew already. The murder of Mr. Calvo Sotello was a crime ordered by the state. The blood of our martyr was a war cry against the Marxist beast, which threatened to destroy Spain.

Okay. So. Yeah. Yeah, these next parts are, your notes here are very important. And I credit, I credit Morgor with the vast majority of this. These are his sentiments. But I love that closing. The blood of our martyr was a war cry against the Marxist beast, which threatened to destroy Spain.

And this is written when they're on the march and the final victory over this Marxist beast in Spain is almost achieved. The final victory for for now. There is no yeah Thomas and I are doing we're doing a series on Suveroff and Hoffman's book which pin basically pin world war two on on Stalin icebreaker outstanding icebreaker and Stalin's war of extermination yes yes really good books and I haven't gotten through all of Stalin's War of extermination, but I've read Icebreaker and Icebreaker, I mean, it's one of those ones is just all circumstantial evidence, but it's so, once you, you read it all, you're just like, yeah, this, we're so far away from the, you know,

from the official, officially what happened to, that led up to that, led up to that conflict. But one of the things, yeah, one of the things I said in that episode, episode at the end of that episode was, you know, what a lot of people don't realize, you know, Spain and the right get all this, uh, flack for, you know, Germany helping them and, um, Italy helping them and, you know, basically fascists coming in from Romania, coming in from everywhere, uh, to help them. Um, but they left after they won. if the left would have won, Spain belonged to Stalin. Absolutely.

He wasn't leaving. And that means that he would have had a foothold at the top of the peninsula, and he would have had a foothold at the bottom of the peninsula. He would have basically had the mouth of the Mediterranean. And I suspect that the international brigades would have swelled. and the communists in Western Europe would have amassed there, as well as, you know, the Anglosphere, would have amassed in Spain to prepare for the next phase. I firmly believe that. On the many days of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee, a visit filled with festivity.

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Volkswagen Financial Services Ireland Limited, trading as Cooper Financial Services is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. Yeah, it's people do not realize what the bullet that was dodged by the right winning. Absolutely. If the left would have won, I mean, if the left would have won, basically, I mean, the outcome of World War II was bad enough. there's a pretty good chance Stalin would have had all of Europe

and I don't know that I don't know that the United States or England would have said anything about it and England would have just basically continued on the angle that it was that it was following right that they would have just been that much more communist-flavored instead of pretending that they aren't.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Go on. All right. Let's wrap this up. So these are Morgora's sentiments, but great stuff. While I advise that everyone read this with a pinch of salt,

it was written during the war after all. It is important to note that the bloodlust of the left was not much different then as it is now, an open secret to everyone that they constantly, try to deny publicly, obviously, although less so, I'll add, these days, as they do not want to suffer the rightful retribution which will eventually come, and if it comes to one of them, they firmly believe it will come for every single one of them. That said, the true subject of this article is the indecisive centrist or conservative, the man who stands by and lets things happen, either out of fear or indifference, an all too common archetype today, as they watch

the world devolve into barbarism, yet refuse to budge until they are personally victimized, or refuse even then to act, whether out of fear of prison, social scorn, death, economic loss, such are legion in this day and age. While their passivity is worthy of scorn, you must remember that many of them are struggling like you or others you know. They wish they could do something. They wish they could spare time or money, or maybe escape from every, that is becoming worse and worse over time. But remember, while the left will attempt to gain the support of the middle via terror, you can win them over by offering a world of order and virtue. The end. This is the monument to Jose Calvo Soelho and the Plaza de Castilla in Madrid.

Do you think they can be won over by that? I believe. How bad will it have to get in order for them to embrace the order and virtue? I kind of feel like they will get with the program. And you will have people as things progress that get with the program sooner rather than later. But I think it's a progression. Many are pretty much useless. what matters is that they stay out of the way.

Yeah, I mean, that's, unfortunately, that's exactly where it, exactly the point is that right now they're just in the way and they just need to step aside. And they don't want to. I mean, they've been in power for so long. They've been, you know, they've been the top of the heap for so long. And it's like, well, no.

no, I'm going to hold on to this until the day I die. Well, everything else is dying around you while you're holding out. So, yeah, maybe you need to step aside. Yeah. And I feel pretty positive in regards to wherever there's energy, it's either on, like, real energy, it's on our side or the enemies, and that middle is so increasingly irrelevant

that, you know, I just want to be left alone as a sentiment you hear all the time, but they're irrelevant. They don't participate in anything. They don't do anything. And I just feel like that their irrelevancy is so obvious to people that they're just not worried about them. And that's the correct mentality to have.

Like every once in a while you run across someone who's like, oh, we got to persuade all these people. And other people are like, no, they will be persuaded by action and events taking place around them. And so I wouldn't worry about it. Do you remember a few years ago when John Brennan

like mentioned enemies of the regime and he happened to mention libertarians yes yeah all of their fucking nipples got hard when he said that yeah they all got so excited because we look we're relevant I had someone tell me that he goes we're an enemy of the regime because John Brennan I'm like somebody told him to say that he doesn't know what a libertarian is are you kidding me this is this this is a guy who was going on TV and talking about his white privilege do you think he can explain to you what white privilege means in in in context of who he's supposed to be signaling that to please stop libertarians classical liberals are a threat well well how come there how come they're the ones who are leaking the fucking group chats yes

Yeah. Well, he could be, it could be a mask off moment because as we know, the Bolsheviks always enjoy massacring the libertarians. So they're literally, they're not an actual combatant enemy, but they're an enemy that they deal with, right? They usually end up being useful in some way to them. Yeah, they're useful idiots and then they just get rid of them, even though they're never a threat. They just, they just sweep them into the dustbin. Yeah. They do it everywhere. They did it in Russia.

They did it in Spain. Yeah, it was, you can read about some, like, they would just have it in the streets of Madrid, a libertarian and an anarchist or a libertarian and a communist would just start having an argument and the communist or the anarchist would just pull a gun out and shoot the libertarian, just kill them. right there even though they were on the same even though they were on the same side yep yeah they're fighting side by side and they're like i mean which is one of the reason you know probably the main reason the left lost thankfully was not only because the right was um you know they had purpose

and they were basically fighting a crusade and it's kind of hard to be crusaders but um you're it's kind of hard to beat crusaders if you're not organized if you're not one if you're not at all, you know, dropping your, your ideological, yeah, your ideological baggage. And you're letting it get in the way and you're like executing the person who's fighting alongside of you. Exactly. Exactly. And they could have probably held, they could have probably held Madrid if it wasn't

probably. They probably could have. But the, the other thing, too, is, is it took so long. there was such a long protracted period of this internal grinding against each other. Because remember, Madrid, there was that heavy push for, I want to say like nine months about before the Nationalists pretty much just stopped worrying about Madrid. I mean, they still had to have their holding units there to retain the ground that they had taken. around it, but they weren't attempting any pushes after basically spring of 1937. And so when they shifted nationalist detention elsewhere to grind out the war elsewhere,

to your point, the various factions in Madrid had nothing to do, no one to fight with, except each other, which is brilliant, really, to leave them to, to fight against one another so that by the time, you know, the grinding war has taken place all around the country. All that you have left are these, you know, hardcore, like, internal security types who aren't like real soldiers. They are just murderers that are running around in the cities, you know, quote unquote, you know, maintaining order. And they don't, they don't have anyone who wants to fight with them left to the point where there was a huge faction within that basically took over the government you know the remains of the republican government

and said we're going to surrender a couple of communists stood up and tried to uh you know take them out and they were crushed because everyone was basically like all we have to do is kill like a couple hundred communists and the war is over and the war is over anyway So why not just waste them and like negotiate, which is what they did. And then they handed over Madrid to the nationalists basically without a shot fired against the nationalists. So absolutely incredible. And an important lesson, that's what they do. And so all these people, these like libertarians who are taking up aspects of the left because they're like,

oh, you're just statists. You worship the state. you know, oh, what about the liberties of the people being grabbed by ice? It's like, look, if you want that kind of world, you need to understand who it's for and who can create it and who can maintain it. And it's not the people being deported. Like, if they're here, the parasitism that you decried in the 90s when it was almost purely domestic, parasitism. Like what you have now is 30, 35 years of highly evolved parasitism, whereas we've seen recently the, uh, the SNAP benefits are going like two thirds to foreigners,

if not more than two thirds. Uh, it's, it's massive. And there are people who are literally imported here just to be given Gibbs and just to replace you. So, So they're out of here. You have a much better chance of resolving the internal situation where you have more of the liberty that you want because it's a Western country filled with Western people who care about European people who care about these beliefs that you say are important to you. You can't get that among being swarmed with people who not only don't believe in this stuff, but have been told that they're here to take your stuff.

And so all they have to do is side with the people who want to take your stuff and replace you. And so they do it. Sorry, it's not that complicated. Yeah, it's just, once you see it, you know, it's kind of hard to unsee. because you once you start reading about stuff like this you know it's like i mean libertarians and classical you know that's so much classical liberals but definitely like the libertarian types will say you know the reason the spanish civil war happened is because they were all statists you know and what do you i mean what so the so the

anarchists in catalonia who are running around murdering priests and raping nuns and burning down churches uh well they weren't statists well they were those those aren't real anarchists carl hmm choose your own spanish civil war yeah exactly libertardian inversion libertardian version that's like eight people agreed with them in all of spain like maybe maybe maybe They called, they even called themselves libertarian. They were still the, the violent anarchists among them. Hope all you want. That's who they were.

That's where your identity comes from. Sorry. Well, I think one thing, I think they're one of the reasons why the libertarian, to remember they called it the alt-right pipeline, why that exists is, is because deep down in the recesses of, of their, the part of them that they don't want to admit exists, they know that authoritarianism is the only way that they get to anything that looks close to what they want. Oh, and that's, I realized that quite, you know, relatively early in the period of calling myself a libertarian. I was like, that's the only way you can get to it. And then I, I,

Red Hoppa and was like, that's literally all he just said. He repeated the exact same thing that I kind of intuited. And yeah, so, you know, if you're just holding it as like this, it'd be nice to have. It's an ideal that I would like to achieve. You have to understand that the only way to get anywhere close to that is you have the shield wall around your society on the outside so that you can have that kind of world on the inside and you have to have that shield wall you have to enforce that against people that oppose it which is not very nice and that requires power to do it and if you call that a state or it's a group of people you know who just volunteer to do it hey you know whatever call it whatever you want man

I don't care. Yeah, I mean, I'm very happy that I used to be able to look at a situation and go, hey, here's the problem. No, I didn't know what the problem was. No, no. I wasn't able. Oh, libertarians are really good at diagnose. No, they're not. No.

Communists, Marxists are much better. People who like study dialectical materialism, they're much better. diagnosing what the problem is. The problem is they don't know how to fix it any better. Their ways are just as destructive as the anarcho-capitalist answer would be. Absolutely, absolutely. All right, man, tell everybody where they can find you. And we were just reading basically right off of your substack.

So there's more stuff like that on there. So tell people where they can find it. Carl Dahl.substack.com. That's K-A-R-L-D-A-H-L-Substack.com. I have two books on Amazon, Faction and Faction with the Crusaders. Faction with the Crusaders is my Spanish Civil War story. I'm also on Twitter, although I really dislike Twitter. But every once in a while, I will put up a banger. So that's where you see my mindless posts thrown into the void. And I also will update when I'm posting stuff on Substack there as well.

But it's fun because you get to engage with your friends. So thanks, Pete. Had a great time talking to you today. Yeah, man. That's what the group chats are for, though. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Group chats are the best part of it. Always appreciate it, Carl.

Thank you. Thanks.