The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1287: The War to Start All Wars w/ Darryl Cooper

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

98 MinutesPG-13Darryl Cooper is the host of the Martyrmade podcast and the co-host of The Unraveling with Jocko Willink.Darryl joins Pete to talk about the first episode of his newest series, "Enemy: The German's War." They use the discussion as a jumping off point to talk about the state of the world in the modern day.The Martyrmade PodcastThe Martyrmade SubstackThe Unraveling PodcastPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on Twitter

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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekina Show. Jowell Cooper's back. Darrell, what's happening, man? What's up, brother? Always good to talk to you. Good to talk to you. Let's talk about making a podcast, man. I've listened three times to the first episode of Enemy, the Germans War. It's... That's pretty good, considering a lot of it is quotes from a book you've probably read six times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's quotes from a book that, yeah, yeah. But the Irish gentleman I did not... That one I was not familiar with. Yeah, but I mean, I'm not here, you know, podcasters are, I don't know that podcasting has as popular as it is, we're still considered like low tier entertainment or low tier education.

And, you know, I don't want to stroke someone, but that's, you know, it's pretty remarkable that you could, you could pull that off because. Describing war and especially describing a war that's never going to happen again the way it happened, you know, that we've gone beyond that. I mean, I know you've talked before about diving into, you know, Jim Jones and really that getting into your head and everything. Does that, as someone who was in the military, is that, I mean, I don't, I know you've said you didn't see combat, but. still, you have to look at that and talk to, you know, like if you talk to Jocko about what he experienced, this is like a lower level of hell that like none of us could imagine. Nobody, I don't think anyone who was in the thick of this shit in Kandahar or, you know,

in Iraq could imagine this. I mean, what's that like trying to put that together? Yeah, it's tough because you're trying to relate and experience. that, as you said, even our combat veterans today really can't understand from firsthand experience. You know, like, I know Marines who were part of the first Fallujah assault. And, you know, the insurgents had controlled Fallujah for a long time by that point. And, you know, these guys tell stories, you know, you can read these stories. I've heard them from their own mouths, though, too, of, you know, there's a smell coming from the basement.

and they go down there and there's three corpses with their, you know, that are hanging from the wall by their hands and their legs have been chopped off and they've been rotting for a while. And so like you take something like that and you say, well, that's the worst thing that is ever going to happen to one in 10,000 people in our modern society, right? And then you take an entire generation of men and throw them into an environment that becomes their daily life for years. years where they see stuff like that every day where a mangled corpse is might as well be another backpack lying on the ground or something you know where that's the kind of the place you eventually drag yourself to so you don't go crazy and you know I started this is a series about world war two but like a lot of good books about world war two and everything I started with the first world war less so I mean we'll get into this in the next episode um the Versailles treaty and all of the things

that kind of followed in the aftermath of 1918. But most of the books you're going to read, that's the angle they take out of it. They start with the First World War because you need to know about how the Versailles Treaty embittered the Germans and all these other kind of geopolitical and social factors that came in. I'm really interested in the fact that, you know,

these guys who were in the trenches as, you know, first lieutenants or, you know, young captains, these were your colonels and generals in the Second World War. You know, their sons will be in the Vermont. You know, that's who these people are. And you have to understand what they went through and understand how absolutely foreign in most ways. Even after listening to a podcast like mine, like when I finished it, I was like, you know, there's a lot of gruesome stuff in there and everything. And sometimes it, I tried not to be gratuitous about it.

But even then, like you still, it's like really beyond our comprehension. To understand what it's like to be there watching your friend rot in a corner because there's nowhere to bury him and, you know, to wake up from a nap and, you know, to see rats nibbling on his face. I mean, this is something that is just, it's the worst nightmare you can imagine. And just young boys who were clerks and students and, you know, school teachers and whatever were thrown into this in a situation, by the way, you know, to increase the trauma. of it all. You got to remember, too, like, we have an all-volunteer kind of boutique military force now. And, you know, if you get a guy, like, even back then, you had, like, the volunteers, guys like younger, guys like Hitler, who, you know, they had that gift of, which is very important for a soldier. It's really important just in life in general, I think, though. They had that gift of

being able to say to themselves that this is what I'm doing right now and this is my role and who I am like, you know, in this situation. And that's all that's going on. I'm not distracted. I'm a soldier at war. Then I'm a soldier at war. And that's, you know, and that's how a lot of the volunteers had a mentality that was sort of at least approaching something like that. But the vast majority of the guys who were thrown into those trenches, you know, they were just, they were just snatched out of their high school graduating class, you know, as they came in or wherever they were working and thrown in there as conscripts, you know, into a war that really had no buildup, you know? Like Europe was at peace and they're just sort of going along and then the Archduke

gets killed. And a month and a half later, you and every single person you know are at war, like watching people get killed, getting killed yourselves, all these things. And so just the speed of the uptake, you know, of these guys into the war. And then, you know, as much as the acute traumatic experiences, you know, of seeing your friend get blown up or, you know, these, like, those horrible things, as much as those are worth, I mean, they're definitely worth remembering and talking about and you have to understand, you know, these guys, really like what makes World War I so unique is what there there was really like no psychological rest in between those traumas. I mean, it was, you know, it wasn't like you go back behind the wire into the green zone in Baghdad

and you're basically safe and maybe here's some mortars every once in a while and then you go out on patrol and then it's dangerous. This was just, you know, an assault on the senses, an assault on the mind 24-7 when you were in those trenches. And, you know, and people say, you know, they'll point out, well, they were rotated off the front line. That's not as nice as it sounds. A lot of times the artillery would focus on, you know, the lines further back because, you know, if they were, if they had reconnaissance troops or if they were, you know, mounting some kind of an assault, their own troops were too close to the front line. So being in the reserve lines was not a safe place. And so to just to live under those conditions for years. And to do it at a time when, you know, I was watching

in the Tucker interview with Nick Fuentes the other day, or yesterday, whenever it was. And one of the things that struck me about it, and this strikes me every time I come across it, because I've come across it a million times now, and it never ceases to smack me upside the head, to remember that his cohort, Nick's cohort, their first experience of politics was the 2016 election.

Trump rallies getting mobbed by Mexican gangsters, you know, just calls for violence by people in the House of Representatives, people in the media, just the whole nine years. That was their first ever experience of politics. So to them, like, this is how politics works. Like, this is how it is. This is what's normal, you know. This is the world they spent their young adulthood learning from.

And, you know, these guys, I think the average age of, like a German soldier was 24, 25. But, you know, that's accounting for older officers and everything else. Like a lot of your front line just privates, I mean, these are 18, 19, 20 year old kids who, if they survived the war, spent three, four years under these conditions. And this was like three or four of the most formative years of their lives, you know, where you're really sort of getting your first taste to the adult world and figuring out like all the things you've kind of watched from a bit of a distance as a student and kind of thought about when you become an adult, what's it really like. Well, this is your first taste of what it's really like, you know, and how the world. works. And yeah, you really have to start there and understand that to have any clue how the Second World War could have come about. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before

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Yeah. And I really only saw combat in 1918. I mean, you know, other than, you know, there's some here and there. But yeah, really like heavy combat. That was all after the spring. It was just in the final push, basically. Yeah. Anyone who made it through that war on the, on the German side, most, a lot of those guys

were there from 1914 on. I mean, they were there for three or four years. And to throw another thing into it is you're, the United States isn't. suffering their homeland being under attack, being just torn apart by war and by poison gas. These people are watching their homes, and many of them consider themselves to be, you know, they consider themselves to be Germans, but they also consider themselves to be broadly more European. And they're just watching this small piece of land that the Hun backed them into, you know, you know, millennia before, you know, and it's just being torn to shreds. And I think that people

have as bad as it was for many of those men, American men coming home from the war and the stories they told, there were people who were there four times as long as they were. Yeah. And we're part of battles, the likes of which the Americans, you know, because the other thing, too, is like the Americans, and don't get me wrong, not to get too. too jingoistic or whatever, but our boys represented themselves well. Part of that is just because, you know, they went in there with a lot of naive courage because, all right, we're here to save the day and, you know, both sides of the war, like, their troops are all just, you know, they've been there for years, they're worn down, they're tired,

you know, all this, the Americans just barge in and you'd have the allies talk about the Americans, like they just run into the gunfire like we did in 1914, you know. And so they acquitted themselves very well. But yeah, I mean, it was, you know, like they didn't participate in something like the Battle of the Psalm where the British lost six, or not dead, not killed, but took 60,000 casualties on the first freaking day, dude. Like, and then the battle went on for like months and months after that. And we didn't participate in anything like that. Like you said, though, I mean, we lost, you know, over 100,000 soldiers killed, a lot more wounded. really in the space of a few months, which when you consider our last, our last experience with real war is still, to this day, the deadliest conflict in American history, the civil war.

That was six, 700,000 guys. You know, I know the number moves around a little bit now with new research, but six or 700,000 killed in four years. you know, we lost 100 some odd thousand guys killed in a few months here, you know, and we got our first taste of like what that really is like. But yeah, the guys who were in there, you know, there's just, there's a lot of the stuff that the, yeah, that we are American guys just did not have to think about. I mean, just take, you know, one of the things that really was a, I guess, I want to say a driver because I think there was just a lot of dishonesty and duplicitousness involved with the Treaty of Versailles.

But sort of a lot of the arguments that were made to justify the punitive terms that were imposed on Germany after the war, where they would point out, like, you know, look at what, look at these atrocities they committed. You know, here they imposed a collective punishment regime on this village or that town or whatever. and some of that obviously there's a huge amount of exaggeration there is a lot of propaganda you know especially in the early days in Belgium but I mean these things did happen and you know and it's and it's not because the allies were sort of more righteous in their conduct of warfare it's that the allies never stepped foot on German soil you know the war was being fought in France and Belgium and so like in the initial push when the Russians came into East Prussia and you know before the Germans sent Ludendorf and Hindenburg to the east to go kind of get things in order. The Russians pushed into East Press. There were a lot of atrocities there. And it's just because, you know, think about how strange it is, not only for the people undergoing it, but for the occupier too, you know, the German lines had French and Belgian people on both sides of them.

You know, there were French towns behind you and French soldiers in front of you. And so to control a situation like that, it's very complicated, you know. And, you know, I know, of course, like, you know, we associate just the total destruction of large cities and stuff with the bombing runs of the Second World War. But there was, you know, there was more than people think in the First World War II. Like, there was a lot of just infrastructure destruction, obviously landscape destruction. I mean, to this day, there's still an ongoing program every year in France. It's an industrial scale program where they're still going out and digging up. up old unexploded munitions from the first world war and every year a few people still killed by them

to this day and um you know it's just you you you know you took an individual and you threw him into a a conflict it was so titanic and so mechanical in the way that it um you know that it that that that it that it operated and so uh you know like world war one was mass warfare in a way that no other war in history has been. And so you took an individual and threw them into this situation where, for all of these different reasons, an individual life had almost no value. You know, like you go to the Iraq war and if somebody, you know, like Jocko, were to go down, wounded or killed and be taken out of the war, that's a problem for us.

Like the Americans, the SEAL team, they'd really have to like figure out how to like work around that and replace that leadership and that experience and all that kind of. thing over here you take just a you know a superhero warrior ernst younger or something and he if he's killed it doesn't affect anything you know it's just this you're talking about mass numbers and losing the value of individual life to an extreme degree i think one of the one of the points you made towards the end of the episode that uh can't be ignored was you talked about the spanish flu showing up Now, whether that came out of Kansas or not, we can argue another day. But, yeah, that took a toll.

When you read about the Spanish flu, you see just how much damage that did. But then you segue that into Bolshevism. You know, this rising tide that it almost seems like something I noticed. with a lot of the GWAT guys, a lot of the GWAT guys who came out of GWAT, who realized just how bullshit that whole thing was. A lot of them became libertarians. A lot of them became commies.

I mean, it started, became like, well, I'll say commies, but they started talking about communism. They supported Bernie Sanders. They went in another direction. And it almost seems like the reason this tide was growing, not only because of the Bolshevik influence and how they took over in Russia and everything, but because when you recognize that something, if you think something isn't working, you want a very human tendency, especially for people who just saw everything that they did would be, okay, the only way we're going to defeat what caused this is to absolutely destroy everything. And I think maybe you agree with me. A lot of them just looked at Bolshevism as a way to absolutely kill everything that came

before them and cause them to be there and caused the destruction and the horror that they saw and that their families saw at home. it's definitely a huge part of it i mean you know you you had the elites before and after the war uh even for years after the war you'd have a lot of the elites in say germany just to take one example who they blamed the french and the russians for the war you know and the british kind of came into it and they should have stayed out in the american ship but it's like the french wanted alsus lorraine back the you know the russians had been spoiling for a fight over the balkans you know uh for all these kind of things

Okay, fine. You talk to the French. It's all the Kaiser's fault. You know, it's that German militarism, blah, blah, blah, blah. It got to a point, though, for just millions and millions of the people in Europe, especially the guys in the trenches that they were just, they didn't want to hear that shit anymore. They were like, no, I don't want to hear how it was those elites and not our elites. All of you did this to all of us. You know, you people up there, your system, your way of doing things resulted in this. And it just totally delegitimized. I mean, even in the, even in the victorious countries, you know, you had where you would expect like winning a war of that significance and scale would reinforce the legitimacy of the ruling regime. Like in one sense, maybe some of the institutions

and stuff, sure. But it also ushered in a time where, you know, the people were much more assertive about having their say in the government and all these kind of things because they just weren't going to accept the same stratification of hierarchy that they had always been accustomed to after that. And it's especially amplified when you think about the fact a lot of these guys had, it's a different thing when you're in the trenches for a few years and you've got a captain who's there because, you know, his dad's a prince or because whatever, you know, because there was the officer ranks much more class differentiated than they are now. And you watch this guy, maybe, you know, that guy might be a coward.

And you just watch this guy who you're supposed to step off the sidewalk floor when he passes you back home. You watched him piss his pants every time like a shell struck for, you know, four years while you and your guys had to bail him out or like keep him from his own mistakes. And so it just broke down that hierarchy that had always existed. And that opened the door for something like Bolshevism, you know, where it's especially when you consider like after the war, you know, the Bolsheviks were the only ones who were really talking in a way that, at least that most people were hearing, that were really talking in a way that seemed to speak to the true, like, insanity of the situation, like that this has to go, period. We're not interested in reforming this thing or like whatever did this to us, like it absolutely just has to be swept away. And you didn't have, you know, mass right wing movements yet put together or even just whatever liberal movements or something that were really speaking to these people. And on a level that that, that, I guess, honored the, the level of emotion that they had given their experiences, you know, in the Bolsheviks war. And they held sway for a while.

I mean, really, it took several years before right-wing movements and across Europe were really able to kind of gather and coalesce and start opposing it. Discover five-star luxury at Trump Dunebeg. Unwind in our luxurious spa. Savor sumptuous farm-fresh dining. Relax in our exquisite accommodations. Step outside and be captivated by the wild Atlantic surrounds. Your five-star getaway where every detail,

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you want but if you don't have the cities you know you're basically going to try to probably get as far away as you can from the east and uh and i mean i think that almost mirrors what we have now is if we don't have if you don't have political power if your people don't have political power in the cities you're pretty much screwed and you're going to have to figure out a way to get that back. And, you know, we're in a different time now. And, you know, the bulge fix were able to hold on to power for a very long time because just that, they solidified the centers, the centers of commerce. Yeah. And, you know, it's so interesting. One of the things I mentioned in the episode, and it's one of those things that anybody who's basically

familiar with the history of the period that you know, but then when you actually stop for five seconds and think about what it means is like really hits you. It's just the fact that over the course of maybe 18 months, every government from the Rhine to Siberia evaporated. You know, you have all these, you read diaries from like Clemper's diary in the Munich Revolution. And he talks in an almost comical way sometimes about how like people would be talking on the streets or, you know, at the university where he was teaching? They'd be like, where's the government? Like, who is the government. They don't know. And there would be rumors that, oh, they had left for Leipzig or, you know, and they're still, they're still in charge and, you know, nobody better try to, you know,

assert themselves as an alternative, whatever. But nobody knows that that's even true. And there's just nobody's in charge, dude. Like, and so when you have a situation like that, you really open a door for, you know, what, what first happened in Russia and almost happened in, in Eastern and Central Europe, which is just the most ruthless, you know, band of people who are not going to wait around for you to finish your argument are the ones who are going to end up on top, you know, and that's, it's one of the main lessons that not just soldier, everybody kind of took from the war itself, actually, but also, you know, definitely the Bolshevik revolution is that, you know, at the end of the day, like, we, like, we like,

force really does trump everything else like yeah we germans feel like we you know we're we're backed into this corner by french and german uh russian aggression and all these kind of things and then we never wanted this war and they have a good argument for that but they you know they they really felt that way but it didn't matter they lost they they they they got beaten in the war and that's the end of the story now they're responsible for it they're the bad guys and they're paying for it and so that's like that's one but then the bulls Bolshevik Revolution. I mean, you had this little band of nerds from like Swiss coffee shops and, you know, uh, just people from Manhattan, like Brooklyn, like coming back. And they overthrew this centuries

old dynasty that, you know, it seemed like if any, uh, you know, if any dynasty in Europe was the sort of, you know, the representative of the old regime. It was that. And it collapsed like nothing, you know, just evaporated. And people really took the lesson that if we want to create a new world, you know, maybe it'll be ugly, maybe it'll be tough or whatever, but when it's over, we'll have that new world and it'll be better for everybody. You just have to do whatever you must do to make it happen. And that's the lesson that, because if you don't, somebody else will, you know, and that's just the lesson that they took. So a couple of the individuals that you concentrated on in there, I guess the first we'll talk about is Ernst Younger, who I have a Alexander Adams line

cut right up there looking up on the wall of him in in uniform and um i mean it we know anyone who knows about the life of younger and i mean really i mean it's hard not to call him a renaissance man considering what the things he like the all the things he wrote and the things he could do um but I mean, what a fucking badass. Dude. Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing is, you know, I just because I mentioned him in the episode and I mentioned him earlier here. Like I'll talk about somebody like Jocko.

Jocko is like in our modern, you know, American world, like you're going to struggle to find a harder more like just just a guy who is more of a soldier down to his core than that dude. He's one of those people who, you know, a lot of us, we're sort of like, you know, we get out of high school and we have to figure out what we want to major in or what job we want to do. And we're kind of just, you know, just throwing along in our lives. And then sometime in like our maybe early 20s, if we're lucky, maybe later if we're not, we sort of like almost kind of wake up a little bit and be like, oh, I have to start actually like becoming something. I need to actually like figure out where this whole thing is going and like start working toward that. He's just one of those dudes who graduated from high school and he's like, I want to be a commando. That's what I want to be. And ever since then and even before then, he spent his time learning and training about leadership and combat.

That's just who he is. Right. So he's a very, very like, he's a person who can bring his focus down to a single point in a really admirable way. But take somebody like younger and put him into a situation of where just the daily grind of being in the war is so stressful and so depressing and just so overwhelming for even a strong psychology and to still have that same mentality to literally the last moment of the war. I mean, where he is surrounded and he and his men start shooting and he manages to crawl away, he gets shot up, somebody picks him, one of his guys picks him up, starts dragging

him away, he gets shot, another guy picks him. I mean, this is like he was fighting to the very, very end with the same intensity that he had in that first rush, you know, through, through Flanders. And it's what, it's what sets them apart from like just so many other people. And really like in a way that you only could have, that only could have been replicated in World War I. I mean, maybe, maybe you have like some old like Green Beret guys from Vietnam and stuff who were spending all their time behind, you know, enemy lines. And they were just, they were in the war and that was that, you know, that you had. some of that. But man, you had guys like younger. The thing is, like, he's a brilliant writer,

so we all know about Ernst Younger. And yeah, he was remarkable. I don't want to pretend that everybody in the trenches was like him. But if you do go through, like the volunteers, and there's books, there's a, there's a book. It's only an okay book. I think it's by George Massey, maybe, um, we kind of goes through his brutalization thesis. But he has this chapter on the volunteers in the war and just their psychology and how different they were. And, And, you know, among those guys and even among a lot of the conscripts, I mean, you had people who shifted their mentality into that war mode and they were able to live there and actually preserve their sanity in conditions that, you know, again, would wreck the sanity of even strong-minded people. You know, in a lot of ways, like, our soldiers today are almost like combat athletes, you know? Like, it's like, it's just they go into acute confrontations for a short period of time.

You know, they overwhelm the enemy with technology and skill and training and all those kind of things. And then they go back to, you know, playing Call of Duty back at base or something for a little while. These guys, you know, Ernst Younger was not that dude. He was just a guy, just a guy. Just like all these do. Like, this guy like Hitler, just a guy. but you take guys who are just a guy in their normal lives and you throw them into a situation like that and you find out what's what you know and it's not always who you think either i mean is a it's not really a exactly comparable situation but when i was in the navy back in 2004 um i was part of uh we had this just really terrible bus crash where we were on our way out as a crew together and um the the bus, there were two buses and the one that was in front just took a semi completely head on.

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know that a messenger in World War I was not a safe job. I think it's not the greatest movie, but I'm able to watch movies and dismiss, you know, the propaganda that's in them. But 1917 was a movie that just showed. exactly how dangerous a the life of a messenger was the the job of a messenger was and for him to be able to I mean pull off some heroic shit while he's doing that I mean stuff that is not in a messenger's you know job description you know it just yeah it's just wild to know that what he did, how he did it, and also to see that attitude that he had while doing it,

where, I mean, this isn't only a job, but I mean, this is where I want to be. This is where I belong. And I can't believe people aren't, he had that kind of attitude of why aren't people as serious about this as I am. Yeah, and he took the attitude afterward, maybe with some justice, that if they had, had been that serious, then the war might have gone differently, you know? But yet to talk about the messenger thing real quick, you see this, it's so annoying. Like, even in, you know, like mainstream scholarly biographies of Hitler, they'll talk about it in a way, because every single thing that they say about them has to be said with a sort of cynicism or kind of reading into it, some kind of, you know, negative, negative connotation.

They'll present it as if being, oh, it was just a messenger, you know, know he he slept back at a regimental headquarters like you know he wasn't like now and you know i say first of all during one of the most intense parts uh of the war when the germans were on their initial assault through flanders he was right at the tip of the spear on that assault so he he saw that combat he was made a messenger but what a messenger basically did i mean in a lot of ways it's not that a messenger is a dangerous job too in a lot of ways it was one of the most dangerous jobs and one of the most difficult just because you were alone most of the time. Maybe you were with one other person, but very often you were alone and you look

around and you'd see this pockmark landscape and every one of those shell holes out there might have a few enemy soldiers in there like standing reconnaissance and you got to pick your way through it to find your way to the line and you're by yourself, you know? That's one aspect of it. But then also during like the really heavy artillery bombardments front line soldiers got out of the they would they would get out of the trenches and they'd go into their dugouts these deep dugouts to like protect themselves from the shelling and they would stay down there until it was all over with that's how you know it makes no sense like unless you know that how uh you know an assault like the like the german assault in 1918 one of them you know they fired two two million artillery shells

and four and a half hours along like a 40 mile front. You know, they just completely saturated it. You're like, how does a flea survive that? Well, this is how? They spread themselves out and they go into these real deep dugout. Well, during those things, that one of the first things that would often happen as a result of those artillery bombardments is all the telephone lines would get cut because they didn't really have like reliable radio communication yet.

If they moved forward or if they were doing something, they were literally had guys with spools running out miles and. connecting telephone lines. Well, those things would all just get annihilated as soon as the bombardment started. And you still have to be able to communicate. And so while everybody else is out of the trench down in their dugouts waiting out the artillery bombardment, the messengers are out there running back and forth, going, finding, you know, people incredibly dangerous. You know, and so, you know, one of the things I always like to do when I make any of these episodes and I almost wish I had emphasized this a little more. I did I did emphasize it, but I wish I

almost would have done a little bit more. Maybe I'll figure out a way to to do the same thing in the next episode is to just try to understand like the mentality of a person who does a certain thing, you know, like in my Jonestown series, I talked about like, you know, this very kind of thing that's not one of the big crazy things they did or whatever, but it really gives you some insight into like what these people's mentality was, where when they first moved from Indianapolis out to this really conservative town in northern California, because it used to be like cowboy towns up there and stuff, they go in there and it is all pro-Vietnam war, you know, anti-civil rights, conservative, hardcore conservative town. And like two weeks in, the Jonestown

people who just moved to town do this big demonstration down Main Street against the Vietnam War and like just it's just sort of like gives you just a view into their mentality. It's very confrontational, just let you know something about them. Well, I like to do that all the time. And when you think about like Hitler, the time that he came back, it happened twice, but the second time, he comes walking back from his message rounds with two, maybe three, there's some like differing report, two or three French soldiers and their weapons that he's carrying and they're prisoners of is and he's marching them back. Now if you're out doing your rounds, right, and you happen to see,

because obviously he got the drop on them, he saw them first, you see three French soldiers, all of them armed, all of them, you know, carrying their weapons. And you would be, you would be actually, you could easily justify to yourself, just leaving that situation alone. Just, I'm just going to work my way around because I have a message to deliver. You know, that's my mission here. This is not. And so I'm going to work my way around this confrontation and, you know, sort of take a wide route. But for a guy who says, no, fuck no, like I'm not doing that. Like, these are the enemy. And my mission really is to win the war. And so I'm going to go take these prisoners because I got the drop on them. And so to rush these guys and get multiple armed soldiers

from the other side to put their hands up, hand you their weapons, and then march back as prisoners with you. I mean, that's just a certain kind of person. You know, there are a lot of super courageous badass dudes in World War I who would not have done that. You know, it's just, it really does take a certain kind of human being. And it's the, you know, it's indicative of traits that we'll see in Hitler as this story continues to develop, you know, where he's just, he was not, to say the least, he was not a man who, for half measures, you know, if he's going to do something, he's going to do it and he's going to be fully committed. And now this is over

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That didn't happen here. They just, I mean, a lot of them, I assume, walked home because, I mean, what else is there to do? Your army, you've been, you've been absolutely devastated. And not only that, you may have been there for two, three, four years in the worst conditions possible that any human being has seen up until this point. And we'll never see again. I mean, even if we have a nuclear war, it's not going to be like that. It's not going to be like that. Hopefully it's over in a second.

And these men who just saw the worst possible thing come back to a society that. is in chaos. I mean, there's no, Germany doesn't really have a government. And society in the streets are people they don't know who are seeking to take over their country by force. It's like, how do you even begin to imagine what they were going through and what the mentality of someone who just saw that for, even if they only saw it for two years, they walk home and they walk into this. I mean, it's something that we can't even fathom and we, you know, we like to think that we can look back and we can judge these men. I mean, what, what do you? We have no, we have no standing. We have no standing whatsoever to judge these guys, you know, because, yeah, you know,

imagine you're, you're at war. You go home, like after this, this ordeal has come to an end, and not in your favor, you get home and you find your mother, your father, your little sister, on the brink of starving to death. People who are like, you know,

I mean, German civilians and troops on the front by the end of the war, they were eating cats and dogs. They were just, they were, you know, wandering through fields looking for any edible route

they could dig up. There was no food. And so you come home and you find your family in that state. And you want to look around and say, well, what do we do about this? Well, there's no government. So, you know, don't look, don't look over there. There's nobody to look to. And then it's, as you said, you look around,

this is really going to be the, you know, one of the big themes in parts of the next episode. I was going to include it more in this one, but it just kind of got out of hand. Is that, yeah, you come home and it's not just that there are revolutions kicking off and that cities are popping up and declaring themselves independent or regions are doing that. It's not just that. It's that, as you said, like a lot of these people, these aren't my fellow soldiers who are leading these revolutions. Like, these are people who stayed behind, you know, maybe people who had rear Eschwan jobs or, you know, they were sailors. You know, it's obviously the keel uprising that kind of kicked it off.

There was a lot of sailors who'd been sitting in port with nothing to do. And you don't want to leave sailors sitting around with nothing to do except for complain and talk to themselves, you know, for four. years because you'll have trouble. I say that as a Navy guy. And you, yeah, you come home and it's not only the rear echelon people and the people who, you know, just didn't fight. Very often it's people from, who recently come over here from like Poland and other places. And you have these things kicking off where, you know, one of the things that I can't remember who I was talking to, but somebody who He's not like us. He's sort of much more normie conservative.

You know, I was talking to him about the article that Churchill wrote in 1920, Zionism versus Bolshevism. Or if you go through and read that thing, and it's, dude, it's like a daily stormer article. I mean, it's like literally they are responsible for every revolution and civil disruption since the French Revolution.

Like, they just go, you know, just as hardcore as you can go. You get banned on Twitter in the era of Elon for like writing what Churchill wrote in that thing, right? Okay, but like so now the war's over. Russia's way over there. We're on our little island. We just kicked ass. We've got our Navy intact and all that.

And yeah, communism sucks and it's awful and evil. But it's really like a geopolitical problem. It's not a social problem in your own country. You know, they didn't have anything like that. Well, if you take that mentality that Churchill had when he wrote that article and you just take it out of that, that safe, victorious, you know, environment. And you put it over in central and Eastern Europe, where millions of people are being killed right over there,

you know, where after the war, you know, you have like one of the, you know, actually one of the interesting things about like Hitler's anti-Semitism. And he sort of alludes to this and talks about it in mind conf, although I think like he maybe, like you get the impression, right? Because he talks about how in Vienna, before the war when he was there. That was like his first confrontation with like real like

as Juden, you know, he, if he said if, you know, if we had, if we had Jews and Linz, they were just assimilated German Jews. I didn't even know they were Jewish or anything. They're just Germans, whatever. Well, here he's got like real Jews and he's confronted with them and he sees them. And he talks about in Mind Kampf how like that's when his anti-Semitism really started to sort of percolate and he started to read and come to these ideas. And that's probably true. But an interesting thing is that all the people who knew him back then and the people who knew him in the trenches, they all say, he never talked about it. Like it almost as if it was this thing that like was interesting and he was following it and he's learning more about it. And maybe these

feelings and ideas are starting to, you know, become more fully formed in his mind. But he's really still in like the lurking for chan phase of the whole thing you know but then the war ends and these people watch as Berlin Munich the city he was in at the time you know all these cities in Germany people wearing red armbands and declaring for the soviet union you know declaring Soviet republics in different parts of Germany and they're breaking away and all of them are led by Jews and doesn't mean all of the supporters and all the people in the streets were there That was a different story. But even still, it's like, and then Bella Kuhn in Hungary, there's a revolution.

Him and his whole government are Jewish. Revolution in Austria, communist revolution there. The whole government is Jewish. And, of course, like, you know, as Churchill says in that 1920 article, you know, well, I mean, he actually, Churchill actually says in that article that Germany, like, was attempted, a bunch of radical Jews attempted to take over Germany after the war, you know, and that they did. take over Russia. And so if you take that mentality and then transfer it over to central or eastern Europe, where they're watching all of this happen like out their window, where this is their

country, that they know that if these people win, then we're going to be facing what's going on in Russia right now with just, you know, yeah, we'll get into that next series. Your listeners know well what was going on by this point. What you get is, Adolf Hitler, that's what you get. You take Churchill's mentality, put it in this much more real, much more pressurized situation where the threat is an actual threat. And what you get is somebody like Hitler. Like that's really what it is, you know? And these people were trying to deal with a threat and a situation that, I mean, it's hard to comprehend. The consequences where you lose, you don't just lose a war, you don't just lose your country. Millions and millions of you were going to

be enslaved and killed. You know, that's what the stakes were for these people. And when you're in, when you're facing something like that and you don't have a government and you don't have an intact army or police force or anything like that, you start to come to some pretty radical conclusions about the things that have to be done to preserve your own life, your family, your country. And these people, these are the circumstances that these people were working with. You know, it's just, it's really like, you, you couldn't, you really couldn't even imagine like a scenario in the modern world that would put people in a similar situation, you know, where things have fallen apart to that degree. And you're facing a threat of this severity, like, on your horizon, you know. And so it's just intensely pressurized. And, you know, and I often tell people like, look, you know, you can, there's a, there's a lot of, um, sort of explanations, historical explanations for the Jewish leadership of all these revolutionary movements that even Ben Shapiro wouldn't have a problem with.

Like you can, there's a bunch of social factors, a bunch of things going on that you can say, well, this is why all of these things happened, and you could teach it in the university class. Good, good professors sometimes do. But for the people who are in that situation, who just went through this insane war, who are now coming back and finding, you know, there's artillery being fired outside their window on their streets and people being shot and killed on their doorstep. This is what they come home to. And then they look around. And all they know is that all of these movements that are kicking all this off are all led by Jews and declaring for the Soviet Union, which everybody, including Churchill, knows, is a Jewish, you know, takeover.

of Russia, they're going to come to the obvious conclusion, and they're going to respond to that in a predictable way. And the way I often put it to people who are skeptical about that is, like, just imagine America. We lose a major war, like a real war, to the point that it breaks our society down economically and politically and socially so that the government completely collapses and everything like that. And all of a sudden, different regions of the country start breaking away and declaring themselves communist republics and all of them are led by ethnic Chinese. It's just not something you'd be able to ignore. You have to take that into account and and sort of draw again just completely rational conclusions from it. You know, forgetting like

whether the responses to that information, you know, were rational or not or whatever. But like, we'll talk about that later in the series. But to see that and to understand it the way that they did, completely natural. You know, you almost have to be a crazy person or completely blind to not have that response, you know? Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say online or in person. So together, we can and create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community.

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You know, that's always the question is, what was the war? What was the war? Were Brits so angry at Germans that they just, they had to give Poland a guarantee? I think it's when you understand everything you just said. And like the Churchill article is what? Takes you two, three minute. Is that a three minute read to four minute read?

Yeah, anyone could read it. He basically argues. Zionism, it is better to push Jews to Zionism than it is to Bolshevism because Bolshevism is going to basically destroy Europe. And when you look at this European Civil War, you know, you have to come to the conclusion. And I guess that is one of the reasons why Germany is considered the enemy is because they came to the conclusion and a lot of their, a lot of their comrades, ads, they're, you know, came to the conclusion that this really isn't a war amongst Europeans. It's a war of we've been infiltrated by this, by this power.

And we, this outside power, this, this organized international jury, and we're going to be torn apart unless we do something about it. And it just, unfortunately, the it was you know you could talk about the focus in Europe in England which I'm sure that'll be a part of the series and everything talk about FDR getting involved here talk about Russia what what the bullshit you know what the power that was that was underway there and then of course Stalin Stalin takes it a step further I mean this this this this European He in civil war, as Nolte calls it, yeah, it was a civil war, but you have to wonder if it wasn't for this outside influence whether that war would have existed at all or if it would have been as bad as it was. I mean, yeah, you know, certainly the discourse that preceded it and like contributed to its outbreak would have been, would have been different, obviously. the thing is like if you go to 1914 you know there were powerful Jewish bankers there were just prominent wealthy Jewish activists and things like that the end of the day I mean you still had kings and queens in Europe you had Kaiser's you had czars and those are the people that

started the European Civil War you know and now all of them thought they were getting into a war of 1870 71 you know between the Prussians and the French they didn't understand what they were getting into. And once they were in it, you know, just the same old human tendency that kept us in Afghanistan for 20 years, doing nothing, you know, kicks in where, you know, just one more year and maybe we can change it or the next battle and now we'll, you know, make a breakthrough or I don't want to be the prime minister or the president who's in office when this all goes to shit or whatever. And so they just keep doing it. But over the course of those 30 years, you do start to see that become like a more prominent issue.

And you know, you could say maybe part of that is because of, you know, the response that people in interwar Europe had to Jewish influence that brought it to the center. But, you know, you don't have, this is one of the things that, again, it's, it's really hard to, to quantify this and put this down to like, you know, in ways that are just, like, it, like, it's not an idea you can necessarily prove. but it's one that proves itself to common sense that you don't just have, or it's possible, but you don't usually just have millions and millions and millions of people in different countries, speaking different languages, coming to the same conclusion about something that's just completely made up in a fantasy in their own head that they, you know, just, their fever dream. There's always, almost always, like, there's something behind it that they're playing off of. And whether it gets exaggerated or whether their response to it is out of whatever.

Like those are all separate questions. But in terms of how they're understanding the historical events, that doesn't just happen. You know, and, you know, I think also, and this is like, you know, I tend to think of these things a lot in in terms of just broader historical. Like maybe, you know, I know you had a great series with Thomas where you guys were going. through the thought of Eric Hobbsbomb. I'm a big Hobbsbom guy. Looking at like the broader historical forces that were bringing these various tensions in Europe to a single head, you know, and really like in the industrialized world, where in a very, very, very short period of time, a couple decades in many cases, you went from having societies that were basically

traditional agricultural societies where most people lived in the countryside and worked, you know, in workshops or worked in agriculture to very, very quickly just having these cities of millions and millions of working men and families packed up in tenement houses and everybody living hand to mouth in a way that, you know, it's not like it was back in a few decades back where you're at your workshop, but nobody needs shoes right now. Well, you know, you've got a couple pigs at home and you've got a garden and all these kind of things and you kind of, you know, it kind of patches you over through, you know, the down part of the cycle. It wasn't like that. It was just you're completely at the mercy of these larger forces. Your factory decides to fire you or you get hurt on the job or something.

You're just, your family doesn't have food and that's just how it is. And to Germany's credit, actually, they were one of the pioneers in beginning like to try to do something about that, you know, on a policy level. So you have like these millions of people and the formation of this new thing called the public, you know, in public opinion that really had not been a thing before that was becoming, not only becoming a political force, but by the time you get up to 1914, was really becoming like the dominant political force that kings and Kisers had to kowtow to. But one that, I mean, you know, as we see like to this day, very mercurial, let's say, you know, like public opinion, how the public moves.

And so you have like all of these people, too, who came from a rural situation or a more traditional situation where, you know, they probably live near extended family. They probably grew up and died around people who knew them their whole lives, to being in a place where you have like your basic sense of social identity and individual identity is being sort of shaken down to its core. And all of these kind of things that are happening that really created like a public in all of these developed countries that was very ready to embrace anything that sort of, gosh, there's this. Do I have that quote?

No, anyway. Embrace something that would sort of re-solidify that sense of identity and cohesion and connection that they had lost, you know. And I'm not even talking about like the radical movements of the inner war period. I'm talking about leading up to World War I. And this goes to how you get. I mean, Hitler is a perfect example because, you know, younger is a little bit different because he came from a more stable background. But Hitler is just a perfect example of a guy who, you know, he came from what was essentially middle class. His dad was a civil servant.

The whole middle class back then was extremely nationalistic. You know, like you go to the schools they sent their sons to and it's part of the curriculum. I mean, they were very, very hardcore nationalist. But then, you know, he's an artist living in Vienna and, you know, living in Munich. And he's around these working class people who are not nationalistic because nobody's really selling them on the idea very effectively. And who are just in a lot of ways, very dissolute and kind of a mess. And he sort of lives in both of these worlds sort of uniquely. And so, and he ends up as a guy who, you know, he didn't hate his father or anything.

like that, but his father was very upset that he didn't want to follow in his footsteps as a civil servant. And they had their falling out. And Hitler, by the time the war comes, is kind of one of these guys, milling about in the cities, sort of living hand to mouth and trying to figure out what he's a part of. Like, what is it that, you know, that my, what's the larger narrative that my life is, you know, is a page in? And that was millions and millions of people. And, you know, And so, you know, it allowed these governments to, you know, World War I in a lot of ways is like it, World War II also, but it's just different because of the level of technology. World War I is so interesting to me because, you know, if you go back really like throughout most of human history, unless you're talking about the Romans or something and they're remarkable exactly for this fact, if you send your army out in the field and it gets beat, then that's it. You got conquered.

Like, that's how, that's what happened, you know, like through a lot of human history. Because you didn't have societies that were as efficiently constructed and that had enough control, whether totalitarian or authoritarian or just sort of cultural, social control over their populations that would sustain a long war where just millions of people are being killed and, like, guys are being pulled off their jobs and sent to the field and die and doing it again. You didn't have a social and political system in place that could have achieved something like that. And by the time you get up to World War I, this new political formation, or it's not so new anymore, but if you take human history as a whole it is, you know, the nation state had reached really like its apogy. Like it's just max level of efficiency where, you know, these countries were able to bring to bear.

I mean, just they were able to gear their entire society, their entire society, their entire economy, everything, toward the conduct of a war that went on for years without apparent purpose that was obvious to people a lot of the time. And that takes like a very strong, very efficient state to do that. And so the nation state kind of reached that apogee. And that's something, again, I think that only was possible when you have this, this sort of malleable urban mass of men, you know, who are in this, in this situation. where they're susceptible to the state's propaganda pro and anti you know but again it makes them susceptible to bolshevik propaganda and things like that later too and um you know yeah the first

world war i mean is you've mentioned a couple of times how like that's it's really not a replicable experience and it's that's true for so many reasons i mean the battlefield technology obviously makes a trench war like that you know um really kind of difficult to imagine in over long periods of time and nuclear weapons, all that. But really also, you know, we just, you couldn't, you couldn't just keep pulling up America. Like, we almost pulled this country apart in the 1960s over Vietnam. The idea that you could just, you know, in this day and age or in any perceivable time going forward, just be pulling millions of people off their jobs and just sending them into the meat grinder to the point

where they're being killed by a dozen or two a minute, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. you know, in 1916 and 17, they're just, they just couldn't do it. We don't have the, the kind of commitment to our political institutions and, uh, the faith in our leadership, uh, to be able to do that. And, um, you know, all of these things came together back then and, and, um, and really made it, made it possible, you know, where you had all of the, uh, you know, we were in this bridge phase where you had the, the, um, you know, the, the, the old regimes were mostly still in control of Europe, but they had at their disposal, these hyper-efficient nation states that really, like, in a lot of ways, were being influenced and controlled by forces. These monarchs couldn't understand and really didn't know about even, you know, because they were so new and had emerged so recently. Yeah. So, yeah, anyway, I don't even remember what the initial prompt was on that, but ranting.

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basically you came there were literally there were gun fights, there were battles there was shelling can that happen today well here let me ask you this. Here, I mean, highly unlikely. Maybe if we do have what some people are calling a civil war here, it'll be little pockets here, little pockets there of urban versus suburban and

ex-urban or whatever. But when I look at something like England, where we have this new In history, it was very rare for somebody to wake up, somebody whose family lived on an island for a thousand years, 1500 years, to wake up and find that their government has not only declared war upon them, but is importing a foreign army to basically destroy them, displace them. and rape their daughters, rape their wives, rape their mothers, kill them. And when I think of what an England is going through right now, I can't,

you know, and Ireland is building very quickly. I listen to, I listen to every podcast I can about Ireland and what's going on over there. It's, it's not hard for me to believe. that in England and maybe even in Germany's future, we're going to see something that is going to be similar to what happened then.

And, you know, it's like when I talk about this, I say, you know, Enoch Powell talked about this in the 60s, and he had a very famous speech. And it seems more and more like in order for the English to, this problem, you're going to see some kind of version of his most famous speech, like, actually happen because it doesn't seem like, I know some of the English people I talk to say, well, you know, our parliament, our parliament is sovereign. So if we can get our own people elected, they can from a sovereign spot, you know, be able to say, okay, we're getting rid of all these people.

we're going to have a massive reset. To which I say, there is no political solution. There is your political solutions are band-aids to get you to the next spot. And in many cases, like Charles Spadiel says, it's going to be worse than if you handled it now. And I see I see England and Ireland and Europe. If a miracle does not happen, their future can be a modern version. It's not going to look exactly like it, but it's going to be a modern version of that

unless they want basically Europe to cease to exist as it has existed for a thousand years. years or more. Yeah. And, you know, I think the thing I really worry about, I mean, look, these countries are going to reach a point very soon. And a lot of them are working toward it now in the face of tremendous opposition, again, from their own rulers.

But they're going to have to reach a point where everybody knows we're going to lose our country. Like, and are we going to be willing to do the things that are necessary to keep that from happening and all of those things they they make a squeamish they they make us uncomfortable you know but the thing is I mean there's something look like I get in trouble for a lot of from a lot of my buddies on the right when I talk about America and our history of immigration and everything you know and because for obvious reasons they don't like the phrase that we're a nation of immigrants

because of the way it's weaponized but I mean if you look at our history it's it's obviously true. We just, you know, we were populated by wave after wave of increasingly foreign immigrants. And that's how we populated the United States and work people in. And what that's done, like leaving aside whether that has anything to do with immigration today or whatever, what it has done is it's made it so that American identity is more fluid. You know, we're kind of used to having to renegotiate it once a generation or two, you know, the Anglos had to sort of figure out a compromise with the Irish and the, you know, and the Germans. And then those guys had to come up with a compromise with the Italians and the Jews or whatever.

Like we're kind of just, that's part of the process in America. And we kind of take that for granted. And it makes it so that I think a lot of Americans really don't, they don't understand how much different it is to say that Ireland is going to be minority Irish in a few decades. I mean, that's a totally, it's just, and what kind of, I mean, if you think about it, And this was true for somebody like Hitler, but it should be true for everybody. Like losing your country, like that's not something that gets reversed. Like, you know, once that happens and something else is in control and you're a minority and,

I mean, that's not something that you roll back once it accomplishes. Oh, we'll fix it in 200 years or something when things change. No, no. That's look at, I mean, look at the Middle East. It used to be Christian. Now it's not. That's what happens, you know? And these people are facing the reality of what is really like the worst possible thing that can happen to a people is you, you lose that one little spot in the world that is yours for you and your people to work out your destiny together.

And that's, you know, I mean, like take like people talk about Japan and how they're all, you know, their demographics are going to collapse and, you know, all their pension systems. are going to be destroyed. It's going to be chaos. And you'll see people say, well, they're going to have no choice but to bring in a bunch of immigrants. And it's like, if you talk to Japanese people, A, that's not happening. And B, you know, like, okay, so maybe they'll go through a hundred years of just economic deprivation and social chaos and all these things. But guess what? When that 100 years is over, Japan will still be Japanese. And those people will still be there together, able to work out their destiny, you know, in their own way.

And that's, you know, it's a, it's a, it's very difficult when, you know, Christian people, and I don't just mean dedicated Christians, but anybody, you know, who grows up in a Western Christian country has, even if they don't, even if they've abandoned the transcendent elements, have, you know, version of the, of the morality still imbued in them, that it's very hard for people to, you know, we're very uncomfortable with the idea of being unjust, whether that's towards somebody who we consider one of our own or not.

And we don't like being, you know, we just, you know, it genuinely like afflicts our conscience to think that we've been unjust toward somebody. And it makes it so that, you know, you can put it this way, actually, Like, you know, if Ireland had been rolled over and conquered, right, or England had been rolled over and conquered, and now somebody else is in charge. And then the English rise up and, you know, they start fighting back. The spirit of the English, like the war spirit that they would bring to that fight would not be nearly as intense as it is when a people wakes up and realizes that their own.

best impulses, that their own compassion, their own patience, their own sense of mercy and justice, that all of these things have been wielded against them in an attempt to really destroy them. And when people kind of realize that, there's no, you know, when the fight comes after that, there's no room for any of those things anymore. You know, people put them aside and they don't, you know, it's, yeah, it's the saddest thing that's going on in the world. world right now. And I don't just say that because I'm a European myself. I mean, I would say it if it was Japan, you know, like if Japan or China, any other country that's not in Europe or in the Anglo sphere, like anywhere in the world, if their government just started against the consistent will of their

people, just importing, importing enough radically foreign people of a different religion, different race, all these things that in sufficient numbers that they were going to be a minority in their own country in one generation, we would all say, even liberals, everybody would say, oh, that country's clearly lost its mind. And when those people rose up and cut their leaders' fucking heads off, everybody would say, well, that makes sense. You know, I mean, that's like, no monarch, no European monarch in history would have dared due to his people the things that our rulers are doing to us. He might brutally put down an uprising and, you know, just massacre or a village because that's where the uprising came, whatever, like, those things could happen.

But the idea that he's just going to voluntarily, I mean, you have like the, you know, the Danes and England and stuff, but they didn't really have much of a choice there, obviously. The idea he was just going to replace his own people and deprive them in their homeland like that, they would have, they would have cut his head off, you know? And anybody reading that history book would have thought that those people behaved in a perfectly rational way. And Europeans are fast reaching the point where, well, I guess another way to put it would be they're already at the point where if nothing happens, then they're going to lose their continent. They're going to lose their country.

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what I see people ask the question, well, what is an American? And inevitably, somebody who is a heritage American, whose family goes back all, you know, all the way and, you know, these are the people that I love and I align with will like hold up, be like, oh, look, here's a 1790. Here's the Immigration Act of 1790 saying it's, you know, white people. And when they do that, and I know I'm going to piss people off now, all I see is conservatives waiving the Constitution as all of their rights are being taken away. That's not the answer, bro. The answer is who the fuck is going to stand side by side with you to take you know to stop this this

shit. You know, some of them are not going to look like you. Some of them are not are not going to be their families are not going to be here as long as you. Stop waving pieces of paper. Stop, stop thinking paper is going to solve your problems. The problems are so existential now that you know saying oh well, 17, night. I mean, these are the same people who will say the Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore, but then they hold up a piece of paper when they want to talk about what is an American. And I think that people just know who an American is. This is all they have. There's nowhere else for them to go. And they just, they look at people who come here and use this as, use this place as a, you know, just an economic zone. And the money exits.

and it gets sent somewhere else. And they're just like, fuck, man. Why did my people come here? Why did my grandfather fight in World War II? Why did my grandfather fight on the wrong side in World War II? It's like, you know, the Americans shouldn't have had anything to do with World War II. This wasn't our fight. And watching people like, something you said a couple years ago, I think about,

all the time. You said when Jeffrey Epstein died in his cell, because the, basically, the people of the United States didn't rise up and overthrow their government at that point is basically proof that we're done, that no one's going to do anything anymore. Because it was the most obvious thing in the world. What happened there? And yeah, I mean, I'm, I don't know. know that fighting, fighting is going to solve this anymore. It may, it may come down to it, but is it, you know, even if you did try to, you know, this is in, I don't think people realize that this is an existential fight that another thing that really upsets me is when people, like, they look at, oh, man, do you see all the based Lord of the Rings memes, a DHS account,

is putting out there, they're going to get rid of all the immigrants. They're preparing for war. No, they're not. They're just placating you. They're just, they're entertaining you. They're making you feel, I mean, this is to think that, I mean, it was, it was the hope of a lot of people, including myself, that we see a lot of deportations of people who don't belong. Obviously don't belong here, the economic zone people that don't belong here.

You start there, but it was never real. You know, it was, it was, how are we just kicking the can a little bit down the road so we figure out a way through this? And I don't, I mean, I have hope that we'll, our, you know, our austerity will thrive, we'll keep thriving. But it gets to a point where it's just not, it's going to, it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard. It's, you know, when you have AI, when you have technology, when you have all this, you know, it's like the libertarians used to be like, oh, everybody, when you say that AI will replace jobs, that you sound like, you know, the people who said, oh, no, we, we need to ban cars,

because the horse and buggy, the porous of buggy people are, I have people who contact me all the time and say, is there any way, do you know anybody who's looking to hire like a software, somebody, a coder right now? And I'll contact people I know and they'll be like, sorry, man. What he wants to do, AI does for me in five minutes. And it does it for $20 a month, a $20 a month's description. So I don't think people realize,

if I thought things were getting better, if I thought things were that Trump was going to, that we were going to have a savior in government, I wouldn't be a part of the old glory club. I wouldn't be, you know, organizing with people off, you know, off the internet. And I mean, I just, I don't know how to wake people up to the fact that

thinking that the government or thinking that, you know, referring to documents from 250 years ago is somehow going to change people's minds. I don't know how to convince some otherwise at this point. Yeah. And I mean, I think about those heritage Americans who are waving around the Naturalization Act as if it's holy writ very similarly to, like, they're making the exact same mistakes that the whites made during the Russian Revolution. Like you just, you can't understand that there is an existential fight in front of you right now and that, you know, you don't, you don't have to agree with that guy about everything over there, the other white

army, but you can hash that out when the reds are done have finished, you know, and they're just not willing to do that. And yeah, fortunately, I think, you know, we see a lot of those people because they're on our side and, you know, they're in our social media spheres and stuff. But I think the American people in general, like it's, they don't think that way. They understand that, Like, you know, I made this point to somebody. We were talking about race, heritage American stuff. And I told him, I said, look, man, if your movement, if your idea for where this is going and how we're going to win involves getting American Christians to think of you as their brother

because you have the same, you know, white skin and that the duskier guy sitting next to them in the pew at church is their enemy, then you, you know, you know, white skin. then you're not going anywhere. That is not going to happen. And if it does, then you've ruined what this country, like, what makes it, what makes our people good anyway, you know? It's just a, you know, you, again, you have to be able to stand with people who like you. And this is a crisis moment, you know. Like we're in this point.

You ask like, why haven't we done anything yet? Or why haven't people risen up? Or if they haven't by now, then when will they ever? And it's the same answer as in Europe is the people are looking around. They're hoping there surely must be another way out of this, right, other than the one that we all know. There must be, right? Like, don't make us do that. Please don't make us do that.

And, you know, the forces that are pushing it, they, you know, they want that confrontation. They want to make you do that. And they want that confrontation and see how it shakes out. I mean, I think, you know, it really, there's another, actually, so there's another element to it too, like that really I think maybe is even like prior to the political and social considerations, or I guess it is sort of a social consideration. But, you know, I was thinking the other day, I was my off time, I was rereading an old essay that I wrote about one of the French philosopher, DeLuze's old essays on schizophrenia and capitalism. And he kind of makes this point that I saw somebody make, talk about this on Twitter. That's why it's fresh in my mind just the other day, about how, you know, capitalism is this force. These guys were Marxists, DeLuze and his partner Gutari.

You know, they were, they were Marxists, but they were very cynical Marxists who didn't expect the revolution anytime soon. One of the things that they said is that it's completely unrealistic to expect that the working class is going to have the ability to resist all of the libidinal temptations that are thrown at him by capitalism. And that's just true. Like, you know, like it is especially now, I mean, just think about this, dude. Like we are, I was talking to a coder about this who's very much into. the AI stuff, which is something that's all over my head, but I was asking him questions. And I said, how far are we away from like VR pornography where the woman can interact and respond to you with like her speech and her actions, the way chat GPT can talk to you, like fully

formed like language models? And you can, he said, whoa, we can do that now. Just nobody's done it yet. There's probably people working on, but we could do that now. You get to that point. You see already with, you know, the legalization of weed and the, I mean, back during COVID, if you lived in California at the time like I did, you know, your church was closed, your school was closed. The weed and liquor stores were all still open. You see stuff like that and you start to realize that, you know, in a lot of ways like Brave New World is a more realistic dystopia than 1984, at least for our world, you know.

And so for the people who want to resist this, and I know this sounds like a slogan, like a trite slogan or something, but dude, it has to start like with you. You have to harden yourself against these influences and actually make yourself like a useful adult human being, you know? Because everything in our society is trying to draw you into this morass of, you know, hedonic impulses that, you know, all of life is consumed with fulfilling. And everybody around, you're going to look around. around you is sort of doing that. And it's incredibly difficult to resist on your own. You know, and really like the only way that people throughout history have, because, you know, obviously throughout most of history, the mass of the population didn't have the opportunity to just give themselves over to pleasure or something because they were too busy farming or whatever. But the aristocracy did, you know, the wealthy aristocracy did. And what you saw is as long as there was like an intact cult of honor among the aristocracy, it really was like a religion to them. They held out against that. But once that lost its hold on them, they gave in, you know, to the

pleasures of the moment and they became degenerate and fell apart. And that's something that now that, you know, we have just a level of economic, plenty and technology that can provide, you know, any pleasure you can think of on call to virtually everybody in society. It's something that everybody is now in the position of. And if you look around, I mean, it's really only people who are part of what a lot of outsiders would look at as cults, whether it's the Amish or the Mormons or something, who are having any success whatsoever in resisting that. And so the lesson there is not to go start a cult or join one, but it's to get with your people. You need to find out who your people are. You need to come together with them. You need to hold each other accountable. And you need to think

of that as your primary identity. Because this whole big project, like, you know, identity has to be and loyalty, have to work from the inside out. You know what I mean? Like, I have my immediate family and I love my extended family. But if my extended family is, you know, hostile to my immediate family, then, you know, my loyalty to them extends so far as they nourish and support, you know, my more immediate family. And then my community and all the way on out to your country, you know, your country, the nation state of America, that's that shape on the map we all are familiar with. That's not a, that's not something that you're going to find like in the Holy Bible, you know, that's a political configuration that came together very often in chaotic

circumstances and by random chance the way things happen. And it's probably going to change over time. Our system of government is going to radically change over time. Like, you know, we can't imagine that we've reached the end of history and like this is something that has to be preserved at all cost. When we're in a situation like this where the ruling powers are literally, as you said, at war with their own people, trying to destroy us, trying to replace their own people, you know, trying to devalue everything that's important to them and has ever been important to their ancestors, you have to realize that you're in a situation where those larger things that you want to give your loyalty over to probably don't.

deserve them anymore and maybe one day they will but in the meantime you need to start here and then build out you know and so you need to treat that uh the the your your your local community whether it's i don't just mean your neighbors but your people you know the old glory club i love what you guys are doing um i think it's i don't i don't even think it's a good idea i really think that that path is the only idea right now that anybody should really be thinking about and you have to treat that thing, not like a, and again, like I don't, I'm not saying you should like go all crazy Jim Jones or something, but you know, you have to, you have to treat it almost with a cult like mentality in the sense that, you know, this, these are my people and I have more loyalty to them and to this structure

and to, you know, this group than I do to any of these larger projects that are failing me right now. And when you do that, then you have a firm base to then kind of work out from and try to expand larger problems. Try to solve larger problems. But you have to have that base. You can't accomplish anything on your own. Somebody who's just out there on his own with nobody holding him accountable on a regular basis, nobody that he's afraid of disappointing. You know, that dude is inevitably, he's going to reach a period in his life

where he gets overwhelmed by the stress of that particular moment. or whatever it is, and he's going to become dissolute and fall apart. You have to have other people around you that, you know, otherwise, you know, like having our people around us is what sort of packs us in and keeps us from just dissolving, you know, into nothing. And so it's the most important thing. And, and it's very urgent. Because as you said, I mean, we're already at the point where things that are going to be very uncomfortable for even right-wing people, you know, because we're all still good Christians, you know, in our hearts are going to be very uncomfortable at times. That's already where we're at,

if we're going to turn any of this around. And every day that goes by, you know, those measures get more intense. So, yeah. And, you know what? Let me make one more point for you, sir. Sorry, just because it has to do with just exactly this, too. And it's from personal experience. I was talking to Dave Smith the other day about just sort of our experiences of being under fire like I was after the Tucker interview last year and how as he's been at various times. And one of the things that we both just sort of spontaneously, you know, spat out was that believe it or not, if you've got like loyal friends and a loyal family, then honestly like the New York Times and the New York Times and the New York Times and that. the White House press secretary denouncing you by name, it all is just noise. Like it really just is this far away thing that like, you know, it doesn't affect you if you have that strong base.

And so, you know, build your relationships with people who are worth building them with and really pour yourself into them. Take the initiative, you know, do the things that are necessary and understand that strong relationships are not something that just develop because. you know, two people happen to be compatible with each other or whatever else. They take work. Go out of your way for your friends and your family and make sure that they're doing the same for everybody else. Like that's how you build that loyalty that is going to stand the test when it really matters, you know? I'm not going to add to that. So tell people where they can subscribe

to the Martyrmaid podcast. Yeah. So I have a substack. It is at subscribe.mardomade.com. The history show, the one we've been talking about here, is just free to everybody on iTunes, Spotify, et cetera. The substack is five bucks a month or 50 bucks a year. There's a lot of long essays and exclusive podcasts and all that kind of stuff. But I always tell people, you know, if five bucks a month is a lot right now, I've been there before. I know what that's like. So just shoot me an email, Martyrmaid at gmail.com. And we'll just get you set up because I want everybody to check it out if they want to.

And then every Friday at 8 p.m. Eastern 5 p.m. Pacific, me and our good friend Scott Horton do our show provoked live. And we take questions and talk about sort of more immediate things. That reminded me of listening to episode one of Enemy and you talking about in the beginning how, yeah, I just have to stop taking, you know, all these invites to talk about. current events and everything as you start a current events podcast that you're doing once a week. Yeah, well, that's true. And our sort of understanding when we, when he brought that idea to me was that this is kind, this is something that I show up for an hour and we have a chat. I'm not spending all week working on the episode or something. He does a lot of that work in the research and setting up. And I'm kind of there to, you know, witness Scott do his thing. But that is true. And I want to say too, obviously, you know, you already

know this. But, you know, that I was talking to my wife about this the other day because I do need to stop letting things like that distract me so much. But, you know, that doesn't have anything to do with coming on with my friends, you know, you and the guys who have been there and been through the ship with me and supported me and just just been cool throughout. You know, that will always be a priority. So I appreciate that, Darrow. Thank you. Thanks for your time and get to work on part two. Yep. Thanks, brother. Take care. Bye.