The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1289: Who is My Brother? w/ Ron Dodson and Firas Modad

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

108 MinutesPG-13Ron Dodson is Principal Owner & Portfolio Manager of a Texas hedge fund.Firas Modad is a Middle East and geopolitical risk analyst and host on The Lotus Eaters.Firas and Ron joined Pete for a discussion about geopolitical matters that turned into a discussion of Christian civilization and how it should run.Firas' SubstackThe Lotus EatersFiras on TwitterRon at the American ReformerRon's SubstackRon on TwitterThe Rule of the IncarnateThe Goon SquadLand's End - Christopher CaldwellPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Ron Dodson and Fierosmod are back. gentlemen, hope you're doing well, and we're just going to jump in because we're already deep into a conversation before this. So, Ron, you were talking about Asia, talk about Asia. Well, the president went over there and there were some headline things about agreements with tariffs. And that all is very important. I think Trump is very good one-on-one meeting with leaders. I think he is a relationship guy rather than an idealistic type. And I think that's always good.

And he's absolutely America first. So he's going to build these relationships and communicate the importance of America's self-interest. So that's good. But one of the things that I think went kind of under the radar that is, important is that East Timor joined the ACAN group, the ASEAN group, which really functions as a U.S. aligned, soft aligned block. And there's a sense I'm getting that as we move more towards a Monroe doctrine where, look, the Western Hemisphere or the America's Hemisphere is the United States sphere of influence and our considered near abroad.

And we can talk about Venezuela later on that we're moving towards a realist formulation with the Chinese and understanding, look, you have a near abroad as well. But we need to make sure you know where that near abroad ends for our purposes. and giving Australia and the Christian nations in the archipelago, just north of Australia, giving them a little bit of tactical space, if not strategic depth. And so I thought that was one of the more interesting things. It hasn't been it's foreign policy weeds, you know, it's deep nerdery. But I think for me, that was one of the most. if not the most interesting thing to come out of the trip.

Okay. And in terms of the whole tariffs thing and the trade relationship with China, what are your thoughts there? What do you, how do you see it? I, well, it seems like Trump, and we can, we can debate the, we've talked about this before, the wisdom of going shock and awe with the first round, you know, the liberation day, I guess, as it was called. But I think he's moved more towards Bessent having, being the strongest voice in his ear.

Bessent's been pretty right on everything he said. Again, Bessent, you know, has different personal proclivities than do I or any of the three of us. but he's been he's been very, very good as not just a Treasury Secretary, but a, but a kind of global macro voice of wisdom in Trump's ear. So I think I think that the agreements, the South Korean agreement and the Chinese agreement are just further steps in saying in resetting the world order that we're moving away from a neoliberal post-war setup where everyone could kind of live at our expense to, hey, we have to have rational self-interest. And some might question the rationality at times. I mean, Trump sometimes

is just going to say what he's going to say to try to move the needle. But that we as a country and as a power block have self-interest. And those self-interest are going to be upheld. And, we're going to move primarily for what is good or for what Trump at least thinks is good for the American people, the American citizen to be more specific. So I don't see, I don't see any real tactical secrets being revealed by these agreements. I just see the strategic, the strategic thrust being re-emphasized. Okay. I mean, my take on some of the on some of China's behavior when it comes to restrictions on rare earth magnets and things like that is that they're getting ready for a day where they are more effective in

their sanctions where their ability to sort of force decoupling on their terms is more robust and for me that seemed like them getting ready for the actual invasion of Taiwan and for the actual war that I think kind of everybody sees coming although it's debated well they won't they but it seems to me that the Chinese are putting in place the bits and processes or the bits and pieces for the administrative processes that allow them to restrict trade in a way that slows down Western industry. And that means that if it becomes a shooting war over Taiwan, they have a big head start because they have access to all of these resources and the West doesn't.

And you're sort of seeing that in Europe with the, like, Volkswagen is more or less on its knees, really. And between Volkswagen and Siemens, that's the German economy. And that's the German economy, meaning that's the European economy. Right. So it seemed to me that some of the stuff that Chinese were doing was preparation for being able to sanction the West much more effectively and cut access to critical components relating to lenses, relating to engines, relating to magnets, relating to magnets and rare earth minerals. that put them in the pole position when the shooting starts and everybody has to

sort of rev up their manufacturing capabilities. So the West would then have to figure out how do they get rare earth minerals, how do they do the refining and all of that, how do they get the industrial environment that allows them to manufacture weapons independently, which the West currently doesn't have. and everybody who's doing drone contracts and things like that is panicked about making sure that none of their components are linked to China because they know that when the day comes they won't have access to these components

but that's making everything much more expensive for the West and slowing it down essentially well Faraz I think I agree although I think this is redefined I think what we're seeing is a redefinition of what is mutually assured destruction. In other words, no longer is it just nuclear weapons. I don't think China wants war with the United States. I think the smart people in the United States want absolutely nothing to do with a war over Taiwan.

some do there's the the neocon spirit is alive and well and it doesn't just move eastward it also moves westward so but look as a a expert smally expert on aviation military aviation tech the latest round of what china's doing is um yeah i would say impressive is an understatement and And you go on and if anybody wants to follow, I'll tell you who's a good follow. He's not really super aligned with us, but he's a good guy and he runs one of the best Oscent sites. It's Tyler Rogway who does the, oh, good night. I'll look up the, you can follow him on Twitter, but he has a great site that used to be

part of the Jolopnik network, believe it or not, but started doing military tech open intelligence. He's really good. But they, the latest round of picks that we've seen of both the fighter and the fighter bomber, these are not crude prototypes. These are very well executed, uh,

manufacturer pieces that are, we're already seeing round two in the case of the three engine fighter bomber, uh, the tailless fighter bomber that, that, that they've been flying in prototype form. Very, very impressive.

Uh, They've got their emails now working. The the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, a water carrier is now doing, their stealth fighters are now, uh, launching and, and capping on the, uh, on their, on their, on their, on their carrier. So they have that up and running. So things are moving quickly, a, a, a, any kind of shooting war for Taiwan. I think if it were up for me and we're just, you know, if it were up to me and I'm Secretary of State and I'm not and Rubio is, although Rubio has been better than I expected, he's absolutely not one of us from a, from, you know, he still leans pretty neocon. And, but, but I would,

I would, I would have a negotiated settlement on Taiwan, you know, already in front of China. And if you can just push it out, 15, 20 years, but already get that in the, books so that everyone can be planning because we're not going to get the last thing you want is to you know kill 20% of the Taiwanese and 50,000 U.S. sailors, soldiers and airmen in a fight that far away from home. When China, China doesn't want to threaten. I mean, they will step on our neck if they think it's in our best interest. I mean, in their best interest. But but but I do do I think the Chinese want a shooting war? No. What I do think is they want every lever to make us come to the table and capitulate. And that's why this Busson truce is important because it showed that they were

willing to release the immediate pressure on tariffs, rare earth, SAG purchases, fentanyl enforcement. And does it solve everything? It does not. We're going to have to Probably going to have to mine some in Tennessee, in Missouri, in these difficult places to get our own rare earths. We're probably going to have to come to terms with the Russians who are the other big rare earth supplier. But that's going to take time because the current mood in Washington is very anti-Russian. It's still, you know, that's kind of how I see this moving right now. How it ultimately shakes out, I don't know. I hope it's peaceful, but we'll see.

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For the audience, I think you're referring to the ability of the Chinese to launch aircraft using electromagnetic catapults. Yes. As opposed to doing it with the sort of old-fashioned way. That's right. Which they never properly mastered, but now they've sort of... They did not. Leap for the next technology, which they seem to have, just seem to be doing well now.

The emails allow you to, instead of you just get the raw thrust of the steam catapult system provides a lot of power. It's reliable in the sense that you can, you know, fire up the boilers, get the steam going. The emails, on the other hand, can, is an accelerative process. therefore you can carry much more weight and put less stress on the airframe, specifically on the, on the landing gear and so forth. And so it's long run much better on the aircraft and it provides for more capability. It's just a better system. We've struggled with getting ours to work.

They've kind of leapfrog past that. Matter of fact, I saw some reference to where Trump was saying they need to retrofit the Ford class with steam. You know, I can't imagine that, but we'll see. Okay. Okay. So when it, one of the things that, one of the reasons people voted for Trump and supported Trump was we, we understand that if we don't have our own manufacturing, we, we're not sovereign. If we, especially if we don't have our own military manufacturing, we're not sovereign. what is there any movement away from that now you can say well you know we just need to build China keeps doing what they're doing and we need to build alternate we just build additional

but it seems to me if we're going to actually be sovereign we're going to have to cut china off start cutting them off of certain services is that in the works is that i've where is that to be seen anywhere in the states what's being built here? What is what's being what are we divorcing from China over? So yeah, I mean, what are you seeing when it comes to manufacturing? Ferris, why don't why don't you start on that one? I am briefly it's a 15-20 year process and the fact that there is this question on will this be necessary, will this be necessary, create some hesitancy on the part of investors. The flip side is that the

uncertainty on tariffs is also probably going to encourage manufacturers to go to the United States because they understand that this genie won't be put back in the bottle, meaning that the issue of tariffs is going to be repetitive, meaning that you're better off being based in the richest markets, which is always going to be the United States, especially under a socialist Europe. So it's not happening at the speed that people imagine it might happen because it is a 15, 20 year process. And there is a point to be made about military manufacturing here. You can't have military manufacturing without a supportive environment of every other kind

of manufacturing. military manufacturing is not a unique thing. It's a byproduct of strong manufacturing ability in a range of other areas that have military applications. Now, the United States has had a bit of a unique course in that a lot of the technologies initially intended for the military ended up having massive civilian applications. But in a shooting war, normally, unless you're like the United States and isolated by an ocean from everyone else, you're not really prioritizing huge amounts of R&D for the sake of R&D. Your R&D is iterative and focused on what is working in the field and what isn't working. And even then, your best bet is to have a bunch of existing manufacturing infrastructure,

infrastructure that you can do this experimenting in. And so you had Hitler sort of testing different kind of German big manufacturers that already existed to see which one is going to produce the best tank. You had all of the auto industry in the United States being repurposed to produce parts for planes and armored vehicles and tanks and so on and so forth. So it's not that you can focus only on military manufacturing. a bit of a, I think that's a bit of a myth. I think you need a huge manufacturing base where you pick and choose bits and pieces that go into your military. And so there's a bit less

incentive to do that if you think that you're still going to be manufacturing in Cambodia or in Vietnam or wherever. And so the softly, softly approach that Trump is trying to take is understandable in the American political context because he has to worry about a midterm election within a year of being elected. And then after the midterms, he has to worry about another presidential election. And on and on it goes, meaning that there's a lot of short-term thinking. That short-term thinking favors making temporary agreements. But if you're China, you never trust any of these agreements because you are using them

as stepping stones to achieve your actual objective, which is to become the new hegemon. And so on the industry side, you hear a lot of noise, Trump throws out a lot of numbers. Most of these numbers are so far commitments and sort of in the air commitments as opposed to, you know, first bricks have been laid and we're laying the foundation stone and we're starting to build. With some of the new tech guys, Palmer Lucky, Elon, others, they're building in the United States, but I'm not clear on how much of their supply chain is fully indigenous. And then there's the fact that there's an insane amount of environmental regulation and nobody can really dismantle that in full.

And so for a lot of these minerals, you're probably better off going to Venezuela or going to Argentina or going to other parts of Latin America that have less restrictions or where you can negotiate around these restrictions. That's my read on it. And at the same time, we are not yet in the first full year of the Trump administration. we're still you know in november he took power in january it hasn't been a full 11 months yet sure well let me follow up on yeah let me follow up on that okay so you said a 15 to 20 you know we're looking at a 15 to 20 year plan if we were a monarchy a proper monarchy i'd be a little more

confident about that. But we have a Democratic Republic. And the Democratic Republic means that there are going to be new people in power in 2028. And if those people in power in 2028 don't have this vision, this gets stopped and it gets pushed out another

until somebody comes in or somebody takes over and ends this. anachronistic system and become CEO for life. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design. They move you. Even before you drive.

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You had a recapitulation of what Germany went through after World War I almost. I was going to say it just sounds like Weimar. Yeah. Well, in early, even pre-Wymar. So, yeah. So basically, democracy is favoring this matter's decline because by definition, the leadership's horizons are short term and a massive crash on the stock market, which objectively speaking is absolutely necessary.

It would be the best thing, like the best thing to happen to the United States and to the West in general would be the financial industry losing 50, 60, 70% of its contribution to GDP. Real deflation would is in this system, real deflation is necessary ever so often to clear out the system. And we have built in these safeguards that keep the system from being cleared out. Deflation is the Fed is there. everyone thinks the Fed is there to promote what is what's the dual mandate stable prices and full employment the Fed is there to make sure we never have deflation that's why the Fed is there exactly exactly exactly and so under this kind of system what is favored is managed decline and that's the fundamental part of the problem like democracy itself is an obstacle to the

reforms that are needed to save the West. Mass democracy, virtualist democracy. Look, this is a long conversation, but I'm of the view that it naturally erodes virtue. Sure. Oh, I totally agree. I totally agree. I talk to my

and I love these guys because I used to be more one of them. But my libertarian buddies, I tell them, libertarianism is great for the five minutes that it's able to warn and that but it it eats itself you know it's this orboros that that that until there's nothing left to eat there it can't reproduce the ordered liberty that we all want nobody wants to or at least i don't think we just want and and and pete you used to swim in those waters as did i they don't they don't really want in their heart of hearts uh mogadip

issue, right? That's that, but but that's that tends to be where it goes. Yes. Well, yes. Yeah. I mean, free quote unquote free trade. The free trade we have now. I mean, admittedly, it's not free trade. There's books and books of regulations that are managing it. But free it's still it's still globalism and take away all of those regulations. Every single jot and tittle of them and you have maximum globalism. So here's what I wanted to, another thing I wanted to bring up as far as this goes. Elon was on Joe Rogan yesterday.

And at the very end, they were talking about, they were talking about basically what he learned in Doge and everything. And Joe's asking him, how do you, how do we solve this? And, you know, he said basically, he's, said AI and robotics. And what are you saying is he's saying, you know, we need AI is already taking it. Basically, if you're not doing a physical job and even some of those are going away, your job is being taken away. You know, coding is done. I mean, AI is doing coding now. And what he said

was he said, we need AI and we need robotics and we need them fast. He said, you know, we're going to have mass unemployment because of AI and robotics. But the thing is, is he said, we're not even, he goes, if we treat AI and robotics properly, we're not going to have to worry about universal basic income. He, he says something like universal maximalized income, basically that if we unleash AI and robotics, and he didn't use this term, but exactly what it sounded to me like he was saying was, we're going to get rid of scarcity. Yeah, his, so, so I'm friends with some of the guys.

I don't know Elon, but I know some of that crowd. And the idea is, you know, it's the EA, you know, the ethical acceleration folks. And they believe that there is a, a logarithmic, uh, uh, productivity, amount of productivity to be, to be unlocked. And that, that very. that very well may be. The issue is, and it gets right back to what we were talking about, how do you build AI and robotics? Let's say that's the road you want to go down. I mean, that's kind of a different topic for maybe another day, but you need all these things

that the Chinese, you are just increasing the Chinese leverage over, you know, the West. And at the same time, and I know this is a, everybody, if you're playing the Ron Dodson, game, get ready to take a big swig, a united Eurasia under where we've pushed all of Eurasia under the Chinese wing is death to the West because all these things that we need to unlock any type of productivity expansion are controlled by China at the same time that we're doing everything possible to drive Russia into their arms. And Russia is the other. supplier of these things. And so I'm, I think we're going to, you know, Trump being kind of a real estate, a little bit of private equity guy. Right now, I see a whole lot of kind of lend and

extend just like it's going on in private equity right now to where can we just push the date out far enough, you know, to where I don't, you know, I'm dead or I don't have to worry about it kind of thing. And eventually that bill comes due. Eventually, that bill comes due. I mean, we could start today, to picking up on what Ferris was talking about. We could start today with a unite, we're going to mine every bit in this hemisphere. And Venezuela has some minerals, Colombia down further towards the, the western coast of South America. There's a lot of minerals down there.

We could go full board. That's a, that's a 10, if we started. today, that's a 10-year time horizon. Manufacturing a real ramp up, you know, this isn't 1941 anymore, 42. That's a five-year, that's under current, the current regulatory environment, that's a five-year, you know, project minimum. So, you know, either, either we have some pretty, and revolution is like Civil War. It gets really messy. And, And I don't like using those terms. But without some type of vanguardian movement that greases some of these skids so that things can happen easier, quicker.

We're in, we don't hold a lot of cards. And it's a bit scary. You know, having 11 or 10 right now, 10 carriers to put in the water and eight in the water, maybe six. at any one time. In the world of drones and phased array, three stage phased array radars, they just don't, that's not how you project power anymore. Not to peer competitors.

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No, God, Fares I just wanted to sort of make a quick comment on the point of end of scarcity this has been promised time and time and again like scarcity doesn't end it's impossible to end scarcity and everybody who thinks that it's a DOXXMashina

it doesn't actually work it never happens that way there's always going to be need for something and there's always going to be competition for resources And so if this competition can be done in a way whereby you force Venezuela, Argentina, and therefore maybe the rest of Latin America, to become a proper resource supplier that replaces China that allows the United States to build up its industries independently of China, first you're competing with the Chinese there.

Second, Latin America is becoming increasingly socialist. always had this problem with socialism, always had this issue with it. It's a very old story there, and it never seems to go away. And one thing that should be mentioned is that the Israel issue has helped radicalize more of Latin America against the United States even more than it already was the case. and so the whole foreign policy at this stage seems to be unbalanced. My view initially was that what Trump would be trying to do based on his statements was to just get that reconciliation with Russia done

and through that reconciliation be able to build a containment policy targeting China whereby Russia can work with South Korea, with ASEAN, with Japan, who all have an interest in containing China. The Russians don't want to be a Chinese client state. They have their own egos, they have their own pride, they have their own history. And the Chinese attitude is so focused on making money today with so little regard for relationships tomorrow that they are impossible to have as an ally.

So there was this window of opportunity there. And you saw that with the beatdown that Zelensky got in the White House. And you saw that with the constant humiliations that Trump inflicted on pretty much every European partner who visited him, not least Wittensky or Starmor, where, you know, there were comments about his suit referencing to the fact that this homosexual Muslim donor was giving him money to buy suits, et cetera, et cetera. but it didn't come to anything. Like he couldn't pull the right levers somehow to make the Ukraine war end. And the reason he couldn't make the Ukraine war end

was because of the attachment to NATO. And if you remember NATO's expansion, first they took Central Europe, Poland, Czechos, like the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. then they tried to flank Russia on both the Black Sea and the Baltics to make sure that Sevastopol in Crimea was contained in the Black Sea and that St. Petersburg was pretty much surrounded with the Baltic states. Putin's demand when the war started was Rollback NATO

and the Eastern expansion Rollback NATO pull back. None of this happened. and Trump wasn't able to make this happen. So instead the policy shifted to let's milk Europe as much as possible. Let's get the Europeans to pay for the weapons at a time when Italy, France, Spain, and the United Kingdom all have 100% debt to GDP and pretty big deficits. And that's now the policy. The policies to just extract as much as possible from Europe. try to consolidate Latin America, use European talent, European capital,

and Latin American resources to build up American industry. And on the sidelines, there are these things with China that are intended mainly to manage their relationship and prevent an all-out breakdown of their relationship because of what this would do to the prospects of the Republicans in the midterms and in the next presidential election. So it's sort of back to manage decline. really. Well, I want to really pick up and expand on something you said there because to me,

to me, it really does seem like the key to unlocking a lot of these doors is some type of reproachment with Russia. Yes. Because what's keeping, let's be honest, if we've got to, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, then you have to have NATO because you have to have Turkey. I mean, why are we allied with Turkey? You know, Turkey is, this is not a good actor. Uh, these are, this is, uh, but they are they control the Bosporus Dardanelle complex for ingress and egress out of the Black Sea. They, they, they came into NATO for the purposes of being the staging place for shorter range nuclear missiles. And we've just never gotten past that supposed need. But if we had reproachment with Russia, that all goes away. And that also takes away some of the pressure for we're one of the reasons we're such big pals

with with Israel is to balance that tiger that we've got locked in our bedroom in in Turkey. And if so if all that. need goes away, then all these things become less, quote unquote, mission critical. And yet, so what's driving, I mean, we all know the answer, or maybe it's more nuanced than I think, but what is driving that intense desire in the American foreign policy apparatus, regardless of administration to be so vehemently anti-Russian? Is it? religious, cultural? Is it just is it is it is it ethnic tension that you know we may or may not want to get into? Is it political system? What is it that continues to drive this this what I consider

something to be really hurting us acting in our rational self-interest? My answer is that Americans are thinking like Brits. in a real way the it's really interesting for me that the first country with which Britain signed a free trade agreement

after Brexit was Turkey because okay tell me talk talk talk about that because this is very interesting people don't know about it but talk through that because I think I think this is

to me this is the key that helps everyone unlock understanding into what's going on and foreign policy. It makes everything makes sense. It leads to me. Why Turkey?

Because Turkey is the natural counterbalance against both France in the Mediterranean and Russia. And that's always been the British way of thinking. We need a Muslim ally to keep the Muslims inside and keep the Russians out of Central Asia, which is stupid at this stage. Right. And to keep the Russians away from India. Khyber Pass, Khyber Pass,

great game stuff, right? Exactly. To keep the Brits out of India, which is stupid at this stage, given the relationship between Russia and India. And the enmity with France, I mean,

okay, that's interesting, but neither of you is really a power at this stage. And what you ought to be thinking of is some kind of United Christendom, but given Anglican versus revolutionary, Catholic, Republican, whatever France is right now, it's a very confused country.

It doesn't know what it's there for other than to be proud of being French or the pride in French language as a sort of replacement for something much deeper. Instead of thinking of United Christendom, you still see this sort of very parochial thinking on the part of the British establishment. And in a way, that is where policy ends up going. Because for all of the debates that are had in the United States, which are way more sophisticated than the debates that are had in Europe, the dumbest argument in Europe,

which is that we need Turkey to contain Russia and to contain France, is still the one that informs policy. making in the United States somehow. I don't understand how that happens. I don't get it, but it does, and it keeps on happening. Enoch Powell had a fear of the United States being so dominant against Europe and destroying Europe to the extent that he advocated allying with Russia, even under the Soviet Union, to contain the influence of the United States.

Sounds like he was reading Francis Parker Yalchi. There you go. Now we're in this weird situation where rather than the Americans and the Russians thinking, well, we can carve Europe between us and that would be it. You have the Europeans somehow imposing a veto on the United States freedom of action to insist on maintaining the war in Ukraine. because in part that's all they have going and because in part Putin is the antithesis of what they are

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Lidl, more to value. Yeah, ortho-nationalist, really. Yeah, and most of the criticism against him is from his right. Like, criticism against him from his left is not really in any way a threat to him. Right. And so the Europeans and the British don't want to be. want somebody like that succeeding because that could influence Europe. But Europe is a client of the United States in terms of security. And its ability to impose this veto is really, really strange.

I don't understand how that happens. But again, it goes back to the rules of the game. It goes back to the fact that the Trump administration still accepts the old rules and the old institutions. when in reality these rules and these institutions have brought nothing but disaster on everyone that's been following them. The West has never been weaker since 1914, since 1945. Like the two World Wars and the settlement that ended them proved to be disastrous for the West because Europeans for the first time fully embraced liberalism and it was imposed on them by the Americans as a way of managing Europe and keeping it on side to prevent the rise of communism

and good communism is evil fair enough yeah but we just did our version you know it's it's and and they just fully yeah communist like everything you hear about taxation policy from the EU, the fact that you work, you know, two out of every five days for the government in any average European country on an average income, like in a seven day, in a seven day week, you're off for two days, you're working for the government for two days and three days are actually yours. You get to keep that money. And in some countries even worse,

you work three days a week for the government, two days for yourself. Like that's a form of subjugation that hasn't happened in the past Europe. And this system needs to be broken, and the rules that underpin it need to be broken completely. But everybody's stuck in those rules. And no man is strong enough to fully break the system. So some kind of external cataclysm has to break it. And what you end up having is these high hopes in the new guy who's going to come in, but the system proves to be stronger than the man,

time and time and again. And that's why people say, well, whatever you vote for in America, you get John McCain. And whatever you vote for in Britain, you get Tony Blair. Well, we're occupied. Well, Europe is occupied. They're under an occupation regime from the United States, but the United States has been occupied since World War II as well. So you have this gigantic occupation.

regime and what it seems like to do is the way the reason to if your goal is to destroy Europe then you have to cut them off from Russia I mean Europe does not have its own natural natural resources they have to get it from somewhere the best place for them to get it is right there right next door from Russia and the problem the problem is is that and Europe also has a race war in their future there is going to be a race war in europe and yeah so you know when that happens the only thing that you can hope is is that the people who initiate that to basically kick the invader or not really even the invader the people who've been put there um these you know these savages who have been

put there to destroy to help to destroy europe and weaken europe um the best thing that you can hope is the people who decide to initiate that war also side with Russia at the same time so that they can start rebuilding industry. Because the only way Europe is going to be free again is if they rebuild industry. And that's probably going to be led by Germany. And Germany seems to be one of the most cucked nations out of all of them. Pretty much. Pretty much. The extent to which the Germans are morally and psychologically broken is unimaginable. And Europe, like the rest of the West, is in desperate need of re-evangelization. And it's a fundamental part of the problem that you have these atheist materialists in charge,

and you have this ethnic grievance industry that's an operation. And if you look at how the Muslim bloc are trying to replicate the definition of Islamophobia by copy-pasting essentially, the definition of anti-Semitism. And the net result seems to be to prevent any kind of conversation around the uniqueness of European identity, the uniqueness of European culture, the uniqueness of sub-ethnic identities within Europe, and that they're all connected by Christian Christianity and that what brings them together is Christianity. And you see this flooding of the zone with endless allegations of racism, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, this, that and the other.

And these are all copy-pasted definitions that are intended to hide a simple fact, which is that being Italian is different from being German, is different from being Algerian, Algerian is different from being Jewish. And you see this mental paralysis that comes as a result. And the paralysis is extensive because it means that you must accept multi-party democracy, one of the most destructive political systems in the world, with proportional representation, which is a surefire way of getting full government paralysis because nobody's ever replaced, nothing ever changes, only the bureaucracy grows. And the outcome is you stay in permanent managed decline.

And that's what's happening. And so the system is strong enough to keep on creating these bubbles of hope around AFD, led by a lesbian partnered with a strong. Sri Lankan around reform led by a sort of weird agnostic guy who's being managed by a Muslim, led by Le Pen, who's a bit past her expiry date and incapable of generating new ideas. She's capable of identifying the problem, but where are the new ideas? Led by Maloney, who's a complete fake, complete fraud. and nothing ever changes. Nothing ever happens, really, on a really fundamental level.

But then what is happening is that this system, which is, you can say it's built on a house of cards, you can say that it's built on concrete, whatever the analogy that you want to use is, but it's being constantly overloaded. And whether it's concrete or cards, at some point it will break. And the question is, when does it break? And the political incentive of everybody elected into office is to make sure that it doesn't break during my term in office so that I don't get blamed for it.

Right. Linden, extend, like we talked about, can I just push, can I push that time horizon as far as possible? So question, what is the ontological difference between Germany that has gone down this, this road of failure, even though it has, in theory, this incredible industrial base, which should propel it. But for all these reasons we're talking about, you know, politically, it's a disaster. What's the difference between that and Japan, which had a similar, maybe they didn't participate in World War I, so maybe it's two generations versus losing two generations versus losing one, but Japan, who that seems to be ready and on the cusp of a reemergence, uh, uh, or at least attempting to. One party state.

Japan is not a democracy. Japan is a one party state. Jews didn't have an ethnic grievance against Japan. Well, you'd be surprised, but there's a Jewish lady who's very heavily promoting immigration into Japan. Oh, I, oh, I've done an episode on her. Yeah. I know that. But I'm talking about organized jury.

Did not. There was no Morgenthau plan for Japan. Japan was basically destroyed. But before the war was, I mean, Oppenheimer was upset mostly because he thought that they were going to use his bomb on Germany and not Japan. I didn't know that. Yeah. This is. That's the reason why Germany.

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And so I fully understand that every single group has its own interests and its own values. And even when these values are as similar as the values of Armenian Orthodox and Middle East and Orthodox, there's always going to be a disagreement over ethnicity, over church hierarchy, over one thing or the other. And so when you see the West so committed to the idea that the Jewish people, the people of Israel, and they were referred to as the people of Israel before the emergence of the state of Israel. Like this is not new, you know? But when you see this commitment to the idea that the Jewish people are not a separate group with their own values and their own interests, and nobody can say that they have different interests than everybody else, that to me is simply insane.

Because everything I know about the world says to me exactly the opposite. And it says to me always that a minority, that feels threatened will want other minority allies and will want to strengthen minority allies and will want to weaken the majority out of an instinct of self-reservation. And really to define away a majority through radical egalitarianism. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Like radical egalitarianism is a whole melting. It's radical egalitarianism is an insane idea. of course it is yeah the whole melting pot crazy i mean the whole melting pot the whole melting pot it makes sense when you realize that if you are a small minority that for 2,000 years or 1900 years

every place you went you stood out like a sore thumb you would want every country that you're in to be a melting pot because now you blend in amongst the 20 other ethnic groups that have absolutely, you know, overrun it. And I mean, and I'm not, that's not my theory. I mean, Jewish, Jewish philosophers have said that. Jewish political theorists have said that. We want, we want other countries to have as many ethnicities there as possible because then we, we blend in. Well, right. And even the non-Jewish, you know, the Bolsheviks and, and everything, this was a,

you know, which were dominated, you know, by Jews. I get that. But yeah, the whole idea that I can erase all differences is that's not just so that everybody gets along. No, there is. So. Lenin immediately passed anti-Semitism laws. He said anyone who, anyone who's an anti-Semite is anti-revolution. Is it, I mean, so, I mean, what is that? I mean, And then there was the Soviet promotion of all kinds of ethnic identities, except for the Russian identity, which was also a way of making sure that the Russians wouldn't have a nationalist basis on which to reject communism. And it worked for two generations.

And it worked for two generations, and it did its job. So this commitment to the idea of egalitarianism, one of its effects is that if we're all equal, then we must have a democracy. Because that's the only way in which our equality can be expressed. And we should ignore the fact that it's always going to be a bit of an ethnic democracy, that the blacks get their black candidates and that the Hispanic get their Hispanic candidates and so on, so long as the whites don't get their white candidates. And it just becomes more and more destructive. And this system has become so powerful that no man can actually break it.

The only place where I have some hope that the system can be broken is Britain. Because the way parliamentary sovereignty works is that Parliament can legislate anything. There's no constitution here. There's no Bill of Rights, there is no judicial supremacy, there is no judicial review of government laws, like Parliament in a series of acts can simply overturn the entire political system at will. It can do things like define British identity, and it no longer means anybody with a piece of paper that says that they're British, like the one that I have, and say the actual truth. Anybody whose roots in Britain trace back to pre-1945

or pre-1948 when the first wave of migrants came. None of the other countries in the West have that kind of flexibility in their system. None of them has it. Will they, won't they? That's a pretty big question. Which is why, you know, Nick Fuentes, being on Tucker Carlson, become such a big deal because it forces an examination of this conversation in a way that isn't bitter.

Kind of like your conversation, Pete, with Martyr-Made. I forget his actual name, Darryl Cooper. Kind of the same conversation, which is, yep, this is a different group, different identity. There's no point in we're Christians, we don't hate them blindly, but there's no point in pretending that it's the same identity and the same ethnicity or that is the same system of values more importantly what what is it that you think what is it that you think and i've got i'll just go ahead and tell you what i what i think it is because i'm not a i'm not a grope gruyper however you say it uh but but he really i think he nick has a following because there's an entire

generation that is growing up and has grown up without being able to say, oh, I can do as well or better than my parents. And we're in this together. We have a, we're rowing the both the same direction that there is, it's beyond, you know, identity has become such a, a word with a lot of baggage, but just this, this common belonging to something that's greater than myself. And both, you know, all three legs of the institutional stool that God, that God instituted, you know, family, church, and state. Traditionally, in a functioning civilization, you felt a part of something bigger than yourself in each one of those things.

You served your family, which was bigger than you. as an individual. You served your church, your religious institution, even if it was just attending, and it was bigger than yourself and achieving higher purposes than just you as an individual. And certainly the state as, hey, this is, the state serves to bless and protect its citizens. And then we have our civic duties and our civic roles that we play a part of. And it seems like all three of those legs are under attack. And Nick for, and I don't, you know, I don't agree with everything Nick says or how he goes about it. I think a lot of it's kind of meta, ironic, seems like the clips I've seen. But, but I think he's tapping into that feeling of, well, wait a minute. Then where, where are the institutions where I can achieve something better than bigger than just me? You know, living in my, you know, playing video games, doing whatever. you know. Airgrid, operator of Ireland's electricity grid, is powering up the Northwest. We're planning to upgrade the electricity grid in your area and your input and local knowledge are vital in shaping these plans. Our consultation closes on the 25th of November. Have your say, online or in person. So together we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community. Find out more at airgrid.i.4 slash northwest. Employers, rewarding your staff?

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Take those teenage hormones, replicate them on thousands and thousands and millions of followers, and then imagine what happens. So this guy, he's clearly brilliant. He's clearly extremely well-read, does his homework, exceptional memory, exceptional oratory skill. Yeah, that's the thing that gives me is this.

This is a guy who can go on for two hours and just command, just command the presence. Exactly. It's similar to Trump's skill in that way. Yep. I would argue much better. Okay. Because he can keep a thread.

together rather than jump off into 50 different directions. And when he does, he ties it all back together. Right. So these kids who've known for all of their years of awareness from the moment that they hit the age of reason, that the emperor had no clothes, are now teenagers. and if they aren't teenagers, they're in their 20s and 30s. And they know that there's something fundamentally broken,

and every time they try to point it out, they're told they're the bad guy for pointing it out. So imagine the kind of resentment and imagine the kind of cynicism that they must have. And now, for the first time, they're being properly acknowledged. because Fuentes, through the sheer force of his personality, has made the establishment listen to him. And he's been helped along by the madness of Netanyahu

and the belligerence and flagrance of Natanahu. And he's been helped along by the failure of war after war after war in the Middle East, all of which fundamentally led to disasters for Christendom, That was the one common outcome in all of these wars. And now he has commanded a seat on the table through persistence, perseverance, and skill. And you see this insane reaction from everybody who's calling him a Nazi with some reason when you take some of his quotes, but really if you take the time to listen to the Gets,

guy speaking for an hour and some of his recent stuff. I haven't sort of looked back into what he was saying years ago. For the past few weeks, really, I've been listening to him for an hour or so speaking regularly. And he's extremely articulate, very thoughtful, genuinely not a hater, but pretty clear in what he's saying. And he's, you can see that this is a guy who thinks before he goes to confession, you know? And that's a big deal in a man this young, and that's a wonderful thing to develop and cultivate. So, yeah, I'm sure that he said some pretty horrible things, but I'm not going to sort of denounce or distance myself from that, because I genuinely don't care. And because the much worse things that are said constantly get completely

brushed under the carpet and because I do believe in a level of unity on the right. And I don't think that people on the right should be playing by the left's game and throw their own side under the bus just because somebody used the magic incantation of Nazi anti-Semite, blah, blah, blah. And as a Catholic, like one of the first groups that the Nazis came for were the Catholics. Communist priests. I don't feel any. They came for communist priests.

Okay. But some Catholics, like a big bunch of Catholics as well. And I don't feel any compulsion to play that game. Maybe because I'm from Lebanon. So I don't care. But I don't feel any pressure to play that game. And I refuse to play that game. Well, the problem, the problem is, is that you, if you have somebody who you politically align with, you know, is on your side.

You know, Charles Haywood says no enemies to the right. And what no enemies to the right means is that it's not that you can't disagree with people on your side. and it's not that you don't want to scold them or maybe have a, you know, a strong conversation with them, but you fucking don't do it in public, okay? Because you're just, you're, you're strengthening our enemies by doing that. Our enemies see that we're that we're not, we're not united because they don't do that. I mean, the right cancels their radicals and the left gets theirs elected. Yeah, Pete, if we've had a bit of nuance to that. I'm sorry?

Can I add a bit of nuance to that? Sure, please go. It's that they are, it's that first we're commanded to love our enemies. And so if we have disagreements on the right, the command that we ought to operate under is firstly to love our enemies. Secondly, considering the fact that they are our brothers, not our enemies, means that we disagree with them even publicly, but as friends, as people adding nuance and detail to each other, as people who want all of us to pass through the narrow gate together.

Not playing the game of the left of saying, I denounce this and I denounce that, and I disown him and I disown her, and I, you know, not her because I don't listen to any females who talk about politics as a matter of principle. It's not for you, ladies. Thank you. But we just don't play that game based on those rules. And if I see someone like Darrell Cooper, Nick Fuentes, you guys, much more well-read than I am,

much better informed than I am, and I disagree with you over something, Like, I'm not going to denounce you. That's that. And I'm not going to play that game of saying, I have a better moral character than you because I denounce that sentence that Ron said or that sentence that Pete said.

And that makes him evil and, you know, beyond redemption. No. No. Like, no. from we're not playing that game this way end of discussion well it's just Matthew 18 and not to not to go on a well okay let's go on a little i'll tell it's my it's kind of my bag a little theological deal you know matthew 18 says if you see your brother sinning you go to him privately you go to him privately and then if and if he doesn't repent if he doesn't change his mind then take take another

a couple of brothers with you and talk to him. You handle this. You know, I had, like I'm sure we all are. I'm in a bunch of group chats and everything. And one of them is a bunch of hard charging guys who, you know, get some really amazing things done. And I'd been in an argument, you know, on Twitter about something. And I kind of brought some of that animosity to a group chat. I kind of stepped on a guy a little bit. And so faithful, one of the guys, says hey you know go go talk to so you call so-and-so because you were a little i immediately did that's how you handle that you don't go well screw him you know exactly no you go and and and so then after you take brothers to him in matthew 18 that doesn't work then you bring them before the church not the outside world even at that point and if they don't it then if they don't you know you know know, repent or whatever, if we can't all hug it out, then there's the final, awful step of excommunication. But you see all those, and it's based upon this idea, this may seem crass, but look, if I've

been given one magazine for my M16, I can't be spending it on the people in the foxhole with me. That gun's got to be pointed over there. And so it's something that we, I've written a lot about this whole idea of Christ's ethic of enmity. I think it's something that the church, regardless of branch, we need to focus on and be more thoughtful about for exactly what you're talking about, Faris. I couldn't agree. You couldn't be more right. I couldn't agree with you more. but I'll just note that when you bring a couple of brothers or when you take it to the church in a way you are making it public but you're not making it hostile and you're not making it into an enmity and you're not making it into an irresolvable conflict you are making it into a good faith conversation

where as part of that conversation you might learn that the beam is in your eye not in his we all have learned that at some point in our lives you know we've all learned that at some point in our lives so you're coming at it from a place of friendship rather than you're sort of nailing him with a prescription or with an excommunication and saying this guy is forever my enemy because I disagree with him on one, two, and three. So it's not the public part.

I mean, public differences make reconciliation harder, but we've just seen. Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes do precisely that, have a very public feud and then a very public reconciliation. Two Christians. Two Christians, exactly. Yeah, I mean, when I'm sorry, I have to interrupt here and I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to be that guy. When Dinesh D'Souza canceled and basically tried to destroy the life of Sam Francis, Deneh D'Souza

is not, he calls, he's supposed to be on our team, but he's not a Christian. He doesn't understand this. When Jonah Goldberg is out there looking to destroy people because, you know, because he, because you can't be a, you can't call yourself a fascist if you're on the right because I wrote a book about liberal fascism and the leftists or the real fascist. So if you have any kind of fascism, I'm going to cancel you. Well, he doesn't understand this. You're talking about something is very distinctly Christian. and we have people in our camp who don't understand this.

They're immediate. They're outsiders. When it comes down to it, they are outsiders. Christendom, there's a reason why Christendom, where it stayed Christian, there's a reason why Spain had a golden age. Because they ejected all of the non-Christians. They ejected all the non-Catholics. Yeah.

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You know liberal I think we all we all yearn for ordered liberty but ordered liberty cannot exist without a very illiberal protective shell. Yes. Just can't even even the. the radical libertarian, Hans-Herman Hoppa basically said, you kind of have to have a sovereign on top of this who helps protect this thing if you want to have this, this utopian liberty in here. But Locke, let's just, and I just want everybody to know, I'm not a philosophical liberal, but I'll tell you,

If you could just get back to Locky and truly Locky in liberalism, heck, that would be denounced as far-right reactionary fascism today. Locke had, Locke basically said you can't have uncommon presuppositions and have liberalism. You can't have atheists in the public square. Doesn't mean you have to go kill them all, probably. But you can't have Plato in laws when he, Forget symposium, forget the Republic. Don't forget those, but those I think were written esoterically.

When he finally gets around to writing very openly, he says you can't have homosexuals in the public square. They will destroy your civilization. Is that because we all hate people who disagree with us? No. It just means you have to be rowing the both the same direction publicly. It means that if you want freedom and it to be ordered, not just libertarian, not just libertine chaos. There has to be some protection around it.

You have to fence the public square. And this is very, very hard for Americans who, because we had a common culture for so long, believe that that was a stasis that it didn't need to be protected. And it wasn't a stasis. It wasn't static. It was incredibly dynamic. And now look around. Now, are you kidding me?

Only fans? We promote and make legal a service which prostitutes our daughters. Are you kidding me? Like that is evil. I'm in favor of the first president who commits to drone strikes against only fans and porn hub and these guys. I don't want to drone strike. If you know who the owners is. Russia, I don't want a drone strike, Venezuela.

I want a drone strike only fans and porn house and everything associated. Well, if you know who the owners of those two are, you're going to be called an anti-Semite. That's the thing. That's the thing. There is this objective reality of over-representation in some industries, finance and media being the most prominent ones, media in all of its forms, decent and nefarious that when mentioned is met with this

anti-Semitism defensive shield but it's not actually a shield it's closer to an incantation it's more of a bunch of magic words that say you're not allowed to notice and the answer to that isn't enmity it's to say

some things that are so critical for the functioning of an economy and a society must be in the hands of truly loyal subjects and loyalty is in part a function of identity and beliefs. Loyalty is the chief, is the chief aspect of Pistus, the word that we translate faith in the New Testament. Right. It's loyalty and allegiance. Every bit as important as belief. Right. Go ahead. No, no, please continue on that theme. Okay, go ahead, Ron. Well, I'm just, so I've been slowly going through the Republic and then commenting on it on it on Twitter about how it aligns with so many of the, if you read between the lines, so to speak, and you're doing the reading in Greek about how it aligns with what Paul and the Apostle John were saying.

So just these ideas of Pistus, which is translated belief or faith in the New Testament, has this aspect of loyalty, of allegiance. It's the type of belief that you have for your wife in a marriage that's just where both parties are blessed because you're so committed that nothing's going to tear it. You know, Ferris, I don't know your wife, but I know Pete's. He married well. and I sure married well and I would die and I would kill for my wife. My wife is it and I'm not being some cucked guy. She's just she's my glory. And so that type I believe in her, but that belief engenders allegiance, loyalty,

a covenantal bond. And it's highly related to this other Greek word that both Plato and Paul use Dikaiosune. And it's related to Dikaiu, which is just or justice. Dikaiosune is translated righteousness. And it's allegiance, which is relational, can only, that's what leads to this covenantal faithfulness, which is righteousness. Righteousness isn't a substance, it's not substantive.

It's this relational reality where you live. in relation that is good and true for all parties involved. That is righteousness. And we can't do it perfectly, and that's why we receive that in Christ's perfect righteousness, you know, and all that. But just let's keep it in the political theology sense. It's me as an individual, I am faithful to my country, to I pledge allegiance to my leader. and that produces a righteousness that fills up the civilization. That's a civilization that thrives. And that's what the Republic is truly about.

And that's what Plato later really explained in laws. And that's what the New Testament writings are about. When Paul writes about the body of Christ, that's a political body. It's not just, oh, this theoretical illustration. No, it's a political body. We're not just here to have an experience individually. We are here to live in this unified blessing that is loyal, faithful, true, and works. Okay, sorry.

My Protestant brothers are going to get mad at me because that sounded very Catholic. But I mean it. That's true. No, no, I have a personal point and a cynical point. the personal point is this is genuinely beautiful and I want to learn more about this and understand this even better because I don't speak weak I don't understand these things I'm a you know I got baptized what is it six seven years ago now so I'm very new to you thank you um the cynical point is imagine if you get to switch loyalties every two years, every five years.

Imagine what kind of system you end up with. Democracy is not equipped for the challenges that the West faces today. It's the wrong system. It's fundamentally the wrong system. And I know Americans love the Constitution and the Brits love the Crown and Parliament idea and everything that comes with that. But there is an objective truth here. If you're going to embark on a 15-20-year program to recover the West,

their reality is that it can't be a hesitant one step forward, two-steps-back program. and that is all you will get in a democratic system, and it will therefore be always manage decline. And you can't fix this without addressing the question of loyalty. And that question of loyalty to be properly addressed must include separation between different kinds of citizens, particularly those who are Christian, those who are not, those who belong to this people, those who do not. Whatever this people happens to be,

the German, the Italian, the British, the English, whatever it is. So it can't function in an egalitarian system, and it can't function in a democratic system. And it also can't function if every effort to build a family is constantly being subverted by the culture. And if we're constantly paranoid about what our children are learning at school, especially in Europe where you don't have school choice, where private education is unaffordable for somebody paying 50% of their income to the government, 60%, if you consider all of the indirect taxes, it's even more. You know, not only do you

pay if you're a higher rate taxpayer 40% in Britain, you also pay 20% of everything that you purchase on VAT, except for like food and rent and things like that. Everything else you pay 20% VAT on top. So it isn't possible to function in this way when you're constantly being subverted, when you don't have a true identity, and when your values are endlessly under attack. And so part of the problem going back to the Trump administration is that what they're trying to solve is an economic problem. But the problem isn't an economic one. The problem is fundamentally a philosophical one. Who are the American people? Well, the wasps must have a special place in that definition. Christianity must have a special place in that definition.

European ethnicities must have a special place in that definition. These things are all interrelated. Plus, if you're trying to solve the economic problem without solving the family problem, without solving the inability to think in a long-term fashion because of the political structure, you're not going to get anywhere. What you want to get to is a system

where the presidential election is more or less a referendum. Do you agree to this guy continuing for another four years? Yes. Another four, yes. Another four, yes. And the constitutional barriers to that, like, they have to go. You know? And so there's a...

But the political system is so strong that no man is able to change it. That's also partly because there is no man who sees the political system who brought him to power as a problem. unless he was enough of a megalomaniac to say, I want to break that system with the explicit objective of remaining in power indefinitely until the day I die under a monarchic system. And then we'll see who inherits the mantle. Yeah, that succession will deal with legitimacy later. Or I mean, that's legitimacy. We'll deal with succession later. Exactly.

was the uh somebody said uh all of shakespeare was about succession and legitimacy in all its different facets right now that's really good um you know the the the the issue again we keep getting back to this identity issue and and i want to talk about something and i and i want to be delicate because i really have i harbor no hatred or or really for any anybody i don't i mean Pete, you know me. I'm, I'm a pretty big tent kind of guy. And I write for Claremont. And Claremont, you know, is a, it's, it, it was founded by a bunch of kind of right-wing Catholic guys. But it was under the, you know, under the teachings of Strauss and Jaffa, you know, these, these Jewish intellectuals. And I, and I love these guys. I really do. And so I want to be, I want to be, I want to be, I want to be delicate when I talk about this. but there's a reason why Christians have tended towards an executive form of government, be it monarchy or true executive power. As the Constitution intended, you know, Article 2 powers, that's a light king in a sense.

Not a full king, not a sun king, but kind of king light. and there's a reason why intellectual Jewish groups, be they on the right or left, but let's take the Jews who are on the right, have tended towards a more deliberative approach. That is part and parcel of our founding documents as Christians and Jews. Jews have a Talmud. It brought a codification of the Mishnah. that was part of the whole Pharisee, Sadducee system that had the Council of the Sanhedron, the Council of the 70.

It's an extension of that. It is by nature a deliberative thing. And the New Testament sets up a global emperor, which is Jesus. King of Kings is a euphemism for emperor. But it is a royal succession. Peter says that you, talking about everyone who's baptized are now a royal priesthood, a holy people.

And so there's a reason why we have this difference in outlook and position. And so there's this schizophrenia in Christian nations that have this radically deliberative posture because it's against their founding documents in the New Testament. And again, I want to be very, I don't mean to be radical or against anyone, but I do think that we need to think philosophically as Christians really rethink some of these ideas. I just wrote in American reformer and it got picked up by Theopolis Institute that in the new covenant, we're under the rule of men, not of law. law was to grow us up and inform us. Oh, well, thank you. That means a lot coming from you, Ferris.

But I shared it with everybody on the Lotus Eaters and I got us some good feedback on it. So, yeah. Oh, that's fantastic. But we, I just, and the point is that I want us as Christians to think about these things. And it, and help, and it can help us understand the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. folks who are on the right who do want to in some way, shape or form lock arms with us, or maybe not lock arms, but at least not be against, you know, on different sides of the battlefield, how we can kind of understand the difference in viewpoint here and then maybe have a little bit

more of a peaceful encounter. And it definitely gives you understanding why those on the Jewish left feel the way they do. And so it's something that I want to as as Christians, be it Catholic or Protestant, to think more deeply about. And I don't see much of that. I see it's kind of going along. Well, well, we're kind of deliberative people. Well, as Christians, we're kind of not. We're kind of on this executive.

We believe in the rule of man. We really do. Or we're supposed to, at least. I mean, traditionally, in most of Europe, there was some kind of assembly under the king but it was consultative. Under the king. But it was consultative. It wasn't a decision-making body.

It was the king's advisors and he had to look at the opinions of the great and good in his realm and see what they believed and what they were thinking and what their opinions were. Right. But there was never really any doubt that the final decision was truly his. And when you end up with a system with no final decision maker, it makes you fundamentally unequipped to deal with crisis or difficult situations. Because everybody pulls in a different direction. And that happens even in a perfect.

homogenous society. Right. It doesn't, it's not that it only happens at a diverse society, but it is very much the case that in a diverse society, it becomes much worse, much worse, because everybody is pulling for ethnic interests,

but covering it up with principle. Or ideology. Or ideology. Or like whatever you want to do. call it. And whenever you say, no, these are the interests that must be supreme, you get hit with this radical egalitarianism that says, no, no, no, how dare you favor one group? And that this becomes particularly ridiculous when the group that you're correctly saying should be favored is the actual founding group and is the group that the system cannot function

without because it created it. And when you have people who never created the system, take it over, you risk ending up like South Africa. Yeah. And so you're seeing the West being pulled in the South Africa direction constantly because nobody is strong enough to break the system. And again, with the Groyper's, These are guys who've been saying, look, this system is broken.

It isn't working. And everybody knows that it isn't working, but everybody pretends that they're the bad guys. And so what you're building up there is radicalism. And to Fuentes' credit, as he's become more powerful, he's become less radical. I agree with that. I really do. I think that's dead on. So if this chance is missed of communicating with this generation that has been constantly stabbed in the back, it's a bit hopeless.

I mean, I think, I can't remember his name, Cowell, Simon Cowell, Simon Cowell. He just sort of entered into my awareness again, unfortunately. unfortunately, because he said that he isn't going to give his son any of the $600 million that he has. Right. What a bastard. Pardon me. Bill Gates says the same thing, that he's going to give his kids some money, but he's not going to give them a proper, like, his whole inheritance. Right.

I think Buffett. That's somebody. That's somebody who is deracinated from their past. He's not, the reason he's not giving it is because he doesn't have anything to pass down. When you pass down $600 million, you should also be passing down the stories of your ancestors and who we are and where we came from. And that's not, we've been deracinated from that. That does not exist anymore. So money is just, money isn't important because, you know, like Hapa talked about in democracy.

see the God that failed. When you have a, when you have a king, he has an interest in making the country better than it was when he took it from his father because he wants to pass it to his son. Well, these aren't people who have any who are thinking about their past or who are passing down their past to them. So why would you give $600 million? $600 million? That's what I made this lifetime. This lifetime is all we have. There is no past. Why would I do? my son's not going to have a past. So my son, my son's probably not going to remember me because I wasn't around most of the time. I mean, this is, this is a symptom of modernity and a symptom of the deracinization. And the, the social engineering regime, especially since World War II, that has said,

you're not allowed to live historically. If you live historically and you're proud of your ancestors and where you came from, that's white supremacy or that's, that's how we get slavery. That's how, that's what led to, you know, the Indians being on reservations in the United States. It's all just we're, we have no history. History is gone. I look forward and maybe I could do. I don't know what's going to happen between now and when I die. But when I go to rest with my fathers to tell them, look what I left your descendants.

Look what I left them because it's that. And my granddad was. a deeply faithful man. You know, he was a fireman. He didn't have a lot materially, but he left me so much, so much. And I want to honor him. And there's, we've lost that, you know. And when, and that sense of when you go, you die well and you not only received by the

Lord and are told, well done, good and faithful servant, but you have some conscious experience with those who have gone before you, and you rejoice in what has been left as we, as the Lord's prayer says, as Christ's prayer says, our Father, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Can you make that, can you actualize that and go celebrate that when you lay your head down to rest for the last time? And that's important. That's important for a people to have that. It fights against, it fights against the enemy. It fights against chaos.

It fights against the left, which is just a coalescing of all these things, of chaos, of, of a war against beauty, but it also fights against time preference. Which destroys all these things. Yep, yep. And going back to time preference, democracy is set up to have the wrong kind of time preference. It's sort of set up to be short term.

It's not set up to be good and proper and long term. It's not set up for building great things. It's not made to build cathedrals. It's not made to build cathedrals. It's not oriented towards the eternal. It's oriented towards the now. And that makes it a terrible system in which to deal with existential crises or questions. And so I don't see how it survives.

This is on the philosophical side and the political side. as separating it from the economic side and the insane amount of debts and the size of the debt bubbles and the sizes of the pension bills that the Europeans especially have to pay. This is separating it from the welfare system, which is designed to replace the family. When you say cradle-to-grave welfare, what you mean is that the state is your mother and father and children. This is why these people want inheritance tax. you're giving back to your father what you owe him. And that's Kronos.

That is very much Kronos. That is Kronos eating his children. That is Kronos eating his children. That is the state devouring your inheritance, devouring what you leave to your children, therefore devouring your children. It prevents you from setting up a legacy, a history, a love of family, a name to be proud of,

and name to last down the generations. So everything in the setup is just wired the wrong way. It's completely wired the wrong way. And it can't continue. And it has to break. The question is, does it break? Because there is a man great enough to say, I am going to break this, and I will make you all follow me.

And he's not going to be a good man, not in the conventional sense, not in today's sense of a great man, of a good man, but he's going to be a great man and possessed of Machiavellian virtue. And that's what's going to have to come. We need a Caesar, we need a Napoleon,

we need somebody like that to bring us out of this chaos. And who will that be? Who will be the man who is great enough to take on this mantle to wear the armor of God and to say, I don't care about your constitution. I don't care about your liberties.

I don't care about your inequalities. This will happen for your sake. And it will be terrible. Speaking of cathedrals and being a culture that doesn't, and being a system that doesn't build cathedrals, have either of you seen the, it's making its rounds the new article in Harper's about the whole Gooner thing? Have you seen this?

maybe we can put it in the show notes a link to it it is chilling but it's along it's along these uh along these lines of where this the things this culture is is building harper and it's dark and harpers harpers yeah um i'll send the link uh to you as soon as we get off and i probably need to start wrapping up here pretty quick uh guys but I'll send the link when we get when we get done Pete. Please do. Please do. All right.

Yeah, that sounds good. I'm on Harper's right now and I'll, yeah. Is it called the Goon Squad? Yeah. All right. I found it here. Okay. Yeah.

I'll put it in the, uh, yeah. Yeah. People need to be aware. It's awful. I'll check. I, um, yep. All right.

Let me wrap. Um, really appreciate it. As always, um, great conversation. I have a tendency to take people down some paths that they would probably not go on on their own, but I appreciate you taking the walking that path with me. Ron, tell everybody where they can find your work. I write for the American Mind, which is part of Claremont. I write for American Reformer.

And I am soon to be featured in Responsible Statecraft. and then I have a substack and Twitter you can find me. Firas? I'm on modadgeopolitics.com and on Twitter you can find me on at Modad GEOP. Yeah. All right, gentlemen, so the next time, thank you. It's always a pleasure.

Thank you very much. Great talk to you both. Thank you.