The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1301: The Consequences of a Feminized Society w/ Durendal

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

71 MinutesPG-13Pete invited business owner Dyrendal to come on the show and talk about the ways he seeks to be a patron to our guys. They then discuss the consequences of a society that has been femin...ized at its core.Cascade FrontierPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Antelope Hill - Promo code "peteq" for 5% off - https://antelopehillpublishing.com/FoxnSons Coffee - Promo code "peter" for 18% off - https://www.foxnsons.com/Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Starting point is 00:03:32 I'm good, sir, and you? Doing good. Doing good. We recently hung out in Portland. Well, not in Portland. I mean, we did spend some time in Portland. And it wasn't what people said it is. That was nice. But you spoke at an event.
Starting point is 00:03:54 was at recently. And then we had a chance to talk a little bit at the after party. I wanted to invite you on to talk about the subject of your talk and a little bit about what we talked about privately. But before we do that, give yourself an introduction, anything you want to share with people. Yeah, sure. First of all, Pete, it's an honor to be here. You know, I've listened to you for years. I've tried to get away from YouTube, so it's been a little bit less. But honestly, it's great to have the opportunity to chat. So yeah, I'm an Oregonian native. It's a state. I've, you know, lived here for much of my life. I love it. I feel a very deep connection to it. My family's been here for over 150 years. You know, I had the opportunity to travel the world. So I've lived in other
Starting point is 00:04:39 countries. I've lived in other parts of the country. Here, you know, I've gone to college in a couple different states, bounced around and had the opportunity to see a lot. Got a couple of degrees that are, you know, just worthless, of course. And now I work. in an industry where I don't use those degrees at all. And, you know, as I've kind of built my career, I've become very passionate about just building local communities. I've seen that, you know, the meme that you can just do things is a very real thing. And I've witnessed it in my own life and in my own community. And so I hope that tonight we have the opportunity to kind of encourage other guys to do the same. Yeah, the whole you can just do things. I think people rely too much
Starting point is 00:05:21 upon politics, I want to apply that to politics, but really when it comes down to it in your life, you really can just do things if you apply yourself, especially when it comes to going into business for yourself. It seems more and more like if you're relying on somebody else for employment, you know, you're at their, you're at their mercy, you're at their will. So, yeah, I think more and more people are starting to realize that if they're going to have a future, then it's probably going to be something, at least not full-time, something that they can supplement on their own time. Well, you know, we live fundamentally a historical lifestyle, like just as modern humans.
Starting point is 00:06:11 And I know I'm kind of stating the obvious, but, you know, I can't, I don't know the exact statistic. I read it the other day. And, of course, it's pleased my mind now. But it was something like 80 or 90% of people up to the 20th century or the turn of the 20th century were self-employed or, you know, they were just small tradesmen, small businessmen. And really this corporatized environment that we live in is really unusual in the historic record. And so I do think that this is really bearing down on people's minds. I think, you know, we talk a lot about learned helplessness.
Starting point is 00:06:39 But when you go from, you know, K through 12, all the way into college, if you go to university, and then into the corporate system, I mean, we are infantilized from birth all the way through death. that includes retirement. And so when people call themselves wage slaves, I think there's actually a lot of truth to that. Yeah, I think the biggest problem, and it's something that I've really come to realize recently is that the economy is financialized. So if you don't have a way to benefit from financialized,
Starting point is 00:07:18 And when I say financialization, I'm talking about, you know, everything is investment. Everything is, you know, a stock tip here, a stock tip there. Every, a long, you know, your IRA, your 401K, but then, you know, if you want to retire, what if the market's all the way down, yada, yada, all through this. And people don't make anything anymore. You know, there's no manufacturing. So everything is based off of this whole, what's, you know, I mean, people look at the stock market and they're like, okay, well, if the stock market's doing well, then the economy is doing well. That's not right at all. And nobody in the past, nobody in our past would have thought that. Right. Well, you know, it's funny. I am low to admit this, but I am kind of the quintessential, skilless, millennial.
Starting point is 00:08:15 you know, from Creole till now, I wasn't really taught many skills. My father was also a white-collar guy, but he had, he picked up some blue-collar skills and was kind of making things in his youth. And, you know, unfortunately, he didn't pass those on. I mean, granted, you know, he brought me in as an apprentice under, you know, his profession later on in life, but I'm lacking a lot of those skills. And I've noticed that a lot of my peers also don't know how to do basic things like fixing their cars or, you know, framing or doing anything. basic like that. I mean, this is, I know, again, a lot of what I talk about lament, they sound like tropes, but it's real. And it reflects the state of the economy where nobody knows how to do anything anymore. And one of the concerns I have is once the boomers finally go, I don't know how we maintain any of these things at all. I don't know how you bring back manufacturing. I mean, you know, there have been the stories in the news about like the Koreans that they've been using to, quote unquote, you know, train people, but, you know, they're just there to stay permanently. And I think that that's a serious, serious issue.
Starting point is 00:09:17 And the other thing I want to bring up briefly is, you know, I personally feel a bit threatened by this AI revolution simply with, you know, because I use my mind for most of my work. You know, granted, I do a lot of investing in other things. But in my primary career, I think could at some point in the future be replaced, whether that's now or in 10 years. I definitely think that that's there. And so I've started working alongside my contractors trying to learn some of the more physical skills. part, you know, just as a kind of a safeguard. I mean, not, I also want to learn and know and be able to work alongside my guys. But, you know, it's just one of those things we're trying to shore up and hedge my bets
Starting point is 00:09:54 and kind of move into more physical space. Kind of an interesting transition, kind of the opposite of where everything's been flowing for the last 80 years. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that we've gotten to the point where it was like, well, figure out a side hustle. Well, you know, if you'll work from home, that's probably best. well, figure out something to do that's AI proof. You know, the truth is, I don't think, I don't think there's anything that he is AI proof ultimately. Now, I'm no tech guy.
Starting point is 00:10:27 I have one of my best friends is a very high-quality AI programmer, so a lot of what I get is from him. But I do think that, again, the timelines are not clear. I don't think, you know, tomorrow or in the next year that the world is going to completely change. I mean, a lot of people are talking about 2027. as a big year and as a milestone. And I don't know the truth of the matter.
Starting point is 00:10:48 To be honest, Pete, it's really hard to discern. But it's hard to know if we've been completely lied to about, you know, where to go and what to do. Or if it's just kind of the flow of information, people trying to adjust to these changes that are happening so rapidly that nobody can keep up. It's hard to know. Yeah. Yeah, and I've heard the accusations that a lot of companies are just wanting to cut jobs, so they're using AI as an excuse. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Yeah, I do. And then, you know, you read all these articles about, oh, you know, these companies, they feel like they made a big mistake and letting people go too early. And so they try and beg for their people to come back. and, you know, just like everything else, and we can talk about this in a bit. This is why I've really decided to just focus on what I can see in front of my face is because it's hard to understand the truth when there's just so much information out there that's conflicting.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And I'm just not there. I'm not involved. I don't know people in the industries that are, you know, involved in these hiring and firing practices for all I know, none of this is actually happening, you know? So what you talked about at the event had a lot of, lot to do with your own form of patronage. And that's, you know, that's something like, like the whole good old, if you ever listened to the good old boys podcast.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Oh, yeah. It's like the whole thing is about patronage. I mean, that's their thing. And I think that people, a lot of people try to figure out, well, you know, how can I help? So, you know, what, what have you found, uh, or some ways that you can help are, you know, our guys or, you know, even your community, yeah. Well, yeah, it's, it's kind of a complicated question. I mean, I tried to address it briefly in my speech, and then again, at the Q&A, that this, a lot of what I have to say isn't universal.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Like, some things are going to be more specific to some people and some things aren't going to apply to others. You know, it's hard to give any universal advice. But if I could just give two examples from my own personal life recently, you know, the one that I brought up, I have, you know, I've gone through probably three or four dozen employees over the last two years. There is some real truth to the lack of quality blue-collar guys that is a problem. But anyways, I found this young guy, and he started begging me for work, and he actually showed up on time, and he's been very consistent. And, you know, I started to really appreciate that, and I decided to take him underneath my wing. You know, I've got multiple projects that are going, but I can't always keep him busy because he doesn't have skills. So one of the first things I did was help him get his driver's permit.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I have him drive me around to get his hours. You know, he just got his permit about a month ago. And I ended up having to pay for the costs and fees to get his permit. And then I helped him fix his Jeep. So he drives me around from job site to job site in order to get his hours. And, you know, I have him, when he's not working for me, I have him working for one of my landscaper buddies. And this landscaper guy owns a pretty successful business and has been teaching him, you know, more specific hardscaping. So building patios and retaining walls.
Starting point is 00:14:00 and we kind of just pass him around. And when I show up to a job site and we're doing something like laying floors, I ask my contractor to teach him and to be patient with him. And, you know, it's a long process. But the most important thing to me is that he actually shows up and cares and wants to do good work. And so that's kind of what I've done for him. You know, it's only cost me a couple hundred bucks. And, you know, I've already made more than enough on my investment in him.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And I don't even think about it that way. I just see a young kid who has a single mom and wants to. do better and wants to be better. But, you know, he was floundering before I met him. And it literally all it took was for another man to just tell him he needs to get his license and to show him how to work. And he's been great. And then I've got another example, if you don't mind. Every click, every connection, every moment your business is online, a threat is evolving. With Nostra as your trusted technology partner, you're not just reacting. You're ready, turning concern into confidence. From cybersecurity that protects what matters most to cloud.
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Starting point is 00:16:18 No, please, go ahead. Okay, good. So I have another guy and I actually just dealt with this yesterday. He's in his mid-30s, lives in a trailer park, and was in the process of getting evicted. he was, you know, four or five months behind. He owed like $4,000. I mean, it was not a good deal. And it was a place that he lived there for about 10 years. Anyways, he's been my drywaller, and he's a really good guy. And, you know, he's another one of those guys.
Starting point is 00:16:43 You can tell he's down on his luck. You know, his water's, you can tell that his water's been shut off, you know, if you catch my drift, you know, but he's a good guy and he works hard. And I, you know, I know that he, if just given a little bit of love, you know. So anyways, I ended up getting a hold of this. park manager and having a conversation with the guy. And we were able to negotiate a deal to kind of at least buy him some time to figure things out. And this guy, he didn't cry, but you could tell in his voice, he's a little emotional. And all I did was make a phone call and,
Starting point is 00:17:14 you know, work something out. And he told me that he just, it was the first time in his life that anybody has, you know, even tried to stand up for him. And, you know, and I told him, I wish that he had told me about his situation sooner. And maybe we could have prevented a lot of the pressure that he's under. So anyways, you know, those are just two examples, you know, of guys and situations that I actually deal with quite frequently where I actually don't have to do very much, but it means the world to these guys. And I know, Pete, that they will be loyal to me probably is for life or as long as we live in the same area. Yeah, and it's important. And it just, I guess it feels right, you know, the, to be able to help somebody who's in a, you know, in a bad situation, you know, especially if they're the kind of people that this culture and this government and the, uh, academia everyone hates and says is evil, you know.
Starting point is 00:18:24 if we don't try to take care of them, you know, no one's going to at this point, especially if their family is, you know, if they're deracinated from their family or, you know, whatever. I live in an area that has been absolutely devastated by the, you know, the drug epidemic. You know, we don't need to get into it, but I hate the word epidemic when it's applied to this. But, you know, there have been a lot of families who have been absolutely and utterly destroyed by this. And a lot of men that I've met, you know, there are a lot of loggers out here. And a lot of these guys are heavy drug users.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Unfortunately, some of them can keep it together and work hard. And a lot of guys, you know, they get hurt on the job or they go crazy. I see that a lot. But what I've noticed, Pete, in talking to these guys, is that there's so much energy under the surface with them. I mean, it's one of the reasons that I'm actually really excited and passionate about this is because these guys have a lot that they want to give. They just need somebody who cares about them. And as gay as that may sound, like, it's the absolute truth. If they sense that there's another man who's just there to look out for him
Starting point is 00:19:32 and actually means it and will stand by it, they, I just, you can see it in their faces and the way that they act, right? I mean, even if it's not necessarily spoken, again, going back to the gentleman and his house, I make this phone call. And I know that he's going to be more willing to show. show up and help me do whatever that I need, and he's going to cut me breaks in the future. And there are a lot of these guys that are like that. They just need, like, somebody to look out for it and somebody to lead them.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Well, what do you, do you think it is, is that people, more people would try to help them, but they see them because of the situation they're in. The assumption is that they're lazy, they're not going to be a good worker, and, you know, why would I why it may just be a wasted time trying to do this I think there's a number of factors you know I putting the race one aside which is kind of the obvious one and the easy one I think there there really is a real class component to this that I know again we've explored this and talked about this but I see a lot of people that have just discussed and disdain for this class of men you know these blue color guys that they're a little 30
Starting point is 00:20:49 you know, maybe they're a little on Kemp, they work long hours, they work unusual hours, they drive beat up pickup trucks, you know, they chew tobacco, they're rough, they swear. I mean, I live in a town where guys still get in fights at the bars regularly, just over stupid stuff. You know, like, and people, I think people just find them uncouth and disgusting. And for me, I don't understand that attitude. You know, I can understand being a little bit, you know, I got, I have my guilty pleasures. You know, I very much am, maybe not, and I'm definitely not an intellectual, right? I would not consider myself one, but I definitely find company with professors and I enjoy engaging in some of these deeper conversations that some of these guys don't necessarily want to talk to me about.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Not that they can't, by the way, I found a lot of these guys are very capable of deep thoughts, just given the chance. But there's just, there's an essence and a soul to these guys that it's just, it's hard. And I'm sorry, I'm trying to reach for the words. don't have it. But there's something real to these men that could just, again, given some attention and some real leadership. I think this is why, I mean, again, I don't want to go too far afield here, Pete, but this is why the Trump revolution seemed to have happened. This is why he had so much power and energy the first time and the second time, you know, because these guys were latching on to somebody who they actually genuinely thought was looking out for their
Starting point is 00:22:13 interests. You know, so it's, I don't know. I just, again, sorry, to bring it back, I just think it's a, besides the race thing, it's a class thing. And people are separated from them too, right? I mean, it's when we talk about the rural versus the urban, it very much is that. There aren't nearly as many of these blue-collar guys where you're going to find these left-wing, or just intellectuals in general. Because I have a hunch that a lot of, again, even more conservative or right-leaning people have the same general reaction to these guys. And they don't take the time to get to know them or talk to them. well i remember you know a while a while ago probably 90s when all you know black crime was like
Starting point is 00:22:59 all over the tv because in the 80s it was there but you know tv wasn't as widespread you were still at like three channels and then the 90s you start getting cable channels you start having national news um national news channels and you know whenever they brought brought an expert on, it would be like, well, you know, where are the fathers? Where are the fathers? Do you think that that's made its way into the white communities too now where there's just, you know, this, if there's no father there, there's no, no one to teach responsibility and no one to, you know, teach basically how to, okay, you fall down, get the hell up. Yeah, I see this a lot. Unfortunately, in these, you know, these kind of poor white rural communities, I definitely think those same trends are there. And I think this follows a basic biological pattern, as you just noted, in that these young men, they don't, from a young age, they don't have any man to look up to. And here's the other failing outside of just having somebody who's there to tell them, as you said, to just get up, to stop being weak, to not cry. Not that those things are bad. And good fathers should be able to teach their sons. whether, you know, by telling them or showing them that, you know, being a man isn't always about getting in fights and being aggressive and all that, right? There's a lot more, there's a much broader depth of being a man than just being, you know, Mr. Macho Alpha. But I do think, too, that when these young guys, they go through school, and the school system is not designed for young men.
Starting point is 00:24:37 You know, I'm speaking as a guy who really struggled until I matured in my early 20s. But they don't have any heroes to look up to. So not only do they not have any father to look up to, they probably don't have an uncle or anybody else in their lives, maybe an older brother or sibling or something, but they're not taught about Caesar or, you know, George Washington or Napoleon or any of these men that they might look up to and grasp on to something great,
Starting point is 00:25:01 something, you know, just something to emulate. Instead, they're just, I don't even know what they're taught anymore, man, honestly. The Go Mile, supported by AIB, has been helping families around the way, world for over 40 years. This year we are asking you to step up together with your community to continue one of Ireland's favourite Christmas traditions. Search AIB Gold Mile to see where you, your family and your friends can find your local Go Mile event. AIB for the life you're after. Did you know employers can gift up to 1500 euro tax-free
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Starting point is 00:27:12 any kind of connection to your past, any kind of connection to your family, any kind of connection to any kind of heritage that you have. And you have a tendency to like, you know, I know people who they're, I know kids who are 19, 20 years old, they're getting married, they're having kids, they're buying houses. And they grew up in a family that was there for them and pushed them and it was just a given that you were screw college you're going to we have a network of friends a community you'll get a job at a at a high school and you'll start a right away start a family get a house if someone we know has to build the house for you however big it'll be there. And I just think that that is so, so much the exception now that the, when you hear about
Starting point is 00:28:21 that, people don't believe it. Because that doesn't, it doesn't sound real unless you're in that kind of community. And, you know, the further, the closer you get to a city, you get to the excerpts and the suburbs, and then you get into the city, a lot of that. A lot of that, that, you know, unless people have been in that city for generations and they do have family around them, I mean, it's just lost. It's just lost the, I don't know, I'm thoroughly frustrated because I see how it can be done. And I see how it's always been done. And I see how there are certain people and certain families that continue to do that. And not talk about wealthy families either. And then you look around and it's like, you'll see a family that's well to do and the children just fall away and just I mean I live in south Florida South Florida is one of the wealthiest you're talking about wealth big time wealth Broward County West Palm Beach you have 45 year old men who are working in warehouses like just waiting for their family their parents to die so that they can inherit money
Starting point is 00:29:37 and it's like how do we get to that How did we what happened that they weren't raised in a way where it's like, okay, you're going to come into the family business. I'll get your job at the company. And I'm not talking about like off like this is, I mean, I knew a lot of people like that. I know a lot of people who would come through my bit come through my company who were just looking for. Yeah, I just, I probably only work here for a few months and everything. But, you know, I'm just, and then when you get to know them, it's like, yeah, I'm just, you know, my parents, my parents are very well off. And, you know, I'm an inherited one day. Yeah, it's funny. Growing up where I did, you know, I was exposed to a lot of these kind of Bay Area California families that were moving up.
Starting point is 00:30:24 And so I, I too, saw a lot of what you're describing. And I still see it quite frequently. And I think this is part of that larger theme of boomers and the older generation. I really hate just blaming boomers, even though as a. generation, right? There's plenty to despise. But in this area, I do think that they objectively failed. I mean, you know, I was, again, I was very blessed with a good father, but even he shares some of these tendencies. You know, I mentioned that he didn't pass on a lot of the blue collar skills that he had picked up when he was younger that I wish that he had taught me. To his credit, he, you know, he brought me in as an apprentice and taught me his, his field. So in some ways, I actually got to participate in something that's actually quite historically normal. But as you said, I've noticed that that's the exception. And when I look
Starting point is 00:31:13 around, especially a lot of these young guys around here, they're just getting tossed in the meat grinder. And a lot of the most successful people that I have met in my area, they have a deep connection to the land. I live in a place where people are still living in the same house that their ancestors that settled here 150, 160 years ago lived in. Or maybe not the same house exactly, but on the same parcel of land. That's actually very common. And so there's some very, at least for the West Coast, deep roots here. And what you'll notice with a lot of these more established families is exactly as you described,
Starting point is 00:31:46 is it's much more common for the uncle to come over and help build something. Or I've seen a lot of times where somebody has some excavation skills, or they've got their own heavy equipment, and somebody else in the family knows how to run it. And they all work as these coordinated units. And these are some of the most deeply infringed and success. families in my area. Whereas, you know, you take a guy like me, I'm coming in, I'm a total outsider. And I've been able to get a foothold, but only because the career that I have chosen and, you know, there aren't very many people. I don't have very many competitors. And that wasn't
Starting point is 00:32:19 why we moved here, but it just happened to work out that way, thankfully. But it wasn't easy. It's taken me four and a half years to get to the point where I actually feel comfortable. I feel like I'm plugged in and everybody's not looking at me like an outsider, but it was difficult. And so I got a bit of a taste of what it's like to not have anybody to help me out. Whereas if I had had family here who could plug me in right away, I wouldn't have had to spend four and a half years and thousands of dollars building connections. All right. Well, let's transition and to, I mean, it's not a total transition. I think that this is a subject that plays into a lot of this too.
Starting point is 00:32:56 And it's something that you had mentioned in your speech passing, but we, we were talking. about at the after party and I think some of my some of the listeners are probably sick and tired of me hearing me say this but um how much do you think that feminization the feminization of society and the feminizing of men plays into this it's devastating Pete it's so bad um and it's such a broad topic uh you know it's you know I don't like I I I'll say this over and over again. I have nothing new to say, right? Because I don't think we need to say anything new. It's very obvious how detrimental and damaging the feminization of not just men, but society as a
Starting point is 00:33:44 whole, has been to our quality of living, the way that we think, the way that we act. I mean, you know, when people talk about, oh, you know, losing my freedoms, one of the reasons for that is this culture of safetyism that we've been subjected to. And it's absolutely devastating. When people wonder why the world is becoming a less interesting place, let's spiritually interesting place. It's because it's safe. I mean, I was on a hike the other day out in the middle of the woods, and as I come up to the trail,
Starting point is 00:34:10 I've got signs all over the beginning of the trail telling me to pick up my dog poop and giving me all the rules for hiking on this path. And then you'll get another sign just a little bit further down, giving you a detailed history of the local tribe and what they used to do with this waterfall. I mean, it's fascinating, but all of a sudden you realize, It's like this place that had some real deep spiritual meaning to the people that previously inhabited it. Now it's just, it's totally vandalized by all these signs making sure that I stay safe.
Starting point is 00:34:37 And quite frankly, I don't think it's about me. It's so they don't have to spend, you know, money coming to pick me up if I fall down a cliffside or something. I mean, it's deeper than that. But anyways, it's so frustrating. Just because I, and this is one of the things as a man, right, is I developed my sense of self. And, you know, especially as I've gone on. off on my own of the last six years of my life. One of the things that I come up against so frequently that frustrates me to my core is that I feel bounded and in chains by this modern
Starting point is 00:35:11 world. I find it to be absolutely suffocating and unbearable. COVID, I'm sure, has a part to play in that, but even without COVID, you know, we've been a couple years past it now. I just, there's this oppressive feeling in the air, and I know you feel it too. I think we all do. But I don't know how to quite push against it, right? I just, I just feel like every day it shrinks a little bit more, and I get a little more frustrated with it. And I, every time I try to break those bounds and do something, I feel constrained again. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's just oppressive. Yeah, the, you know, it's, it's massive. And it's basically, infected everything the way people argue the way i think a lot of it has to do with being terminally
Starting point is 00:36:08 online as well because when you're people do not realize that like so many of the comments and i'm and i'm probably just as guilty as everybody else but the comments that some people make and the way they attack other people is it's what you used to hear my i used to hear my mom talk about her friends be like well that person's catty you know like they they just want to start drama they just want i mean you have no idea on my live streams on sunday my live streams on sunday are me interacting with the chat. That's what it is. It's for me to hang out with the listeners,
Starting point is 00:36:59 the people who drop by every week. Every week, without fail, somebody asks a question that if I were to answer it, it would be me, they're trying to get me to start drama with somebody else. And it's like, I've noticed you slowly start losing your mind over the course of those streams.
Starting point is 00:37:23 So I've tuned into a few. Yeah, I'm very stoic in the beginning normally, unless I go into, unless I'm ready to do a rant in the beginning. And then it's like, I mean, it's, what, what do you get, what are you trying to do to me? And it's not everyone. Most of the people who are in the stream are perfectly fine, perfectly fine. But it's like, oh, so what do you think about this person? And it's like, do you really, look, I know I'm old. but what good thing about being old is I've seen this like I I've been alive when people
Starting point is 00:38:04 weren't like this I've been alive when there was no internet I've been alive when there was no cell phones I've been alive when there was three you know like three channels and a couple of local channels on TV I've been alive where if you I mean H where cable TV just came out and like you know maybe you could pay a guy a hundred bucks to get you some illegal HBO and when you when you look like if you go on Twitter and you scroll a timeline if you could just ignore the names of the people you would think almost every single person on there was a like 45 to 50 year old woman responding to another 45 to 50 year old woman
Starting point is 00:39:03 and they're gossiping and fighting around a kitchen table playing you know canasta yeah you know this is one of the things that has kept me away from the online space and having any sort of digital footprint is I have kind of picked it up through osmosis, you know, listening to you and some of the other guys who I enjoy listening to and appreciate. And every once in a while I catch snippets of drama here, drama there. And if I read substack, you know, sometimes guys write articles about each other. And honestly, Pete, it's just total rank faggotry. It just disgust me.
Starting point is 00:39:43 And I find it repulsive because that's exactly what it seems like is you've got a bunch of middle-aged women who are in church and it got some about Becky down the street. And it's pathetic for me to see ostensibly men, guys on our side who fancy themselves, great men, perhaps, just lower themselves to such a base level. It's pathetic. And I, you know, I don't want to rant for too long on this, because you get the point, right? It's just, you know, one of the things I wanted to talk about in this regard is that energy is a currency, right? Energy is a thing that you spend in order to get things done. When you're spending all of this currency and wasting your energy online, that's energy that you're not getting back that could be done or used for something that's in real life. I mean, it's this time that you're using online. It's mental energy that you're using coming up with a comeback or whatever it might be. And this complete and utter waste of energy, it's just like waves dashing upon rocks.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I mean, it just does nothing. It dissipates. And then, you know, the energy that you might have had that could have been done or used for something in your own personal life or to better your community is gone. and wasted. And I think that that, even above how gay it actually is, that's the biggest of it all. It's just, you're wasting this energy, this very limited resource that anybody has. Did you know, employers can gift up to 1,500 euro tax-free to employees in a tax year? Many of Ireland's largest employers choose me to you, a guaranteed Irish-owned multi-store gift card, accepted in over 8,000 retailers nationwide, including pennies, Brown Thomas,
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Starting point is 00:43:53 impossible at a national level. So basically, people have been siopped into spending their whole time online. And that also, that's high. into you know convincing convincing men that there are no women out there that they can get with you know people and I'll say that and young guys will be like all the girls I know they're all shit libs you know they're all liberals they're like left us and I'm like I mean literally the purpose of dating is to find out if a woman's going to adopt your politics because women have no political women have no political agency unto themselves and as soon as you accept that that they better be adopting your politics or you're going to be divorced and you're going to be
Starting point is 00:44:41 miserable, then you can start figuring this out. But it's also, you know, the feminization of men is, it's like, well, I don't, you know, why would I want to change her mind? Well, why would I? Well, because that's your fucking job because, you know, they leave their dad and they go to you and that's like biblical or it's like well dude I mean you shouldn't even have to change their mind honestly I've noticed this just in my own relationship with my wife
Starting point is 00:45:17 you know she and I we weren't very different people let's say but I definitely had a more realist perspective about a lot of the things that we see and a lot of these are born through my own personal observations and living situations and, you know, just, I never had to change her mind. We never had a debate. It just, we got, you know, and this is before we got married, too. It just happens like, it happens like osmosis.
Starting point is 00:45:43 It just happens. I'm not saying that you have to, you have to actively get into a debate and hammer and hammer. And who wants to debate their white? Yeah. No, you're, no, she is going to adopt your beliefs because she doesn't have any concrete beliefs or she thinks she does. But she doesn't. Yeah, this is one of the things that frustrates me so much about how men perceive their relationships with women.
Starting point is 00:46:10 I mean, I'm not going to, I don't want to do the whole boomer stick of pretending like things are the same as they were. And like I said at the conference, I've been out of the game for 10 years. But I don't think that women haven't just fundamentally changed all of a sudden because of technology. Some things are certainly different. And there's no denying that there are certainly difficulties that might have to be overcome. But by and large, most women, they're going to follow your lead. It just happens. I don't know how else to explain it.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I'm sure that there are people out there and some academic articles. I don't care. I've seen this enough in real life where, and it's not just with my wife, right? We have our friends and my buddy's wives. And I've noticed much of the same thing with them. Some women are a bit different. My wife can be stubborn in certain areas, and that's fine, right? She has her own personality.
Starting point is 00:46:57 And it's one of the reasons I love her. but, you know, by and large, I never debated her. We never argued. I just, you know, there are a few things I told her before I proposed to her that, you know, they were going to be this way or we weren't getting married. And that was it. Well, yeah. And it's just, I think that goes back to the feminization.
Starting point is 00:47:20 It's like you're scared to, you're so feminized that you, you don't. see that you have to actually be a leader you know it's that whole thing about um oh yeah here's another one if you're saying oh my wife's my best friend you bought into a siop you bought into a fucking siop oh my believe me i've bought this is my i'm on my last marriage my second one it was i've bought into that bullshit before too so learn from my fucking mistakes you're your wife's not your best friend it's your fucking wife well there's there's a hierarchy in an order to things i i completely agree you know it's um you know i know what we talk about debates and arguments i mean we did have an argument about this a little while ago um because i made a comment
Starting point is 00:48:15 very similar to that and that i don't you know i don't view her as my best friend i love her i take of her and uh you know and we have a a great relationship i she's a she's a wonderful woman but consider you i don't you know um i don't go drink beers with my wife and cuss and and do whatever, you know, you know, I'm going to go do my free time with the boys. You know, I'm just not going to do that with my wife. I've got friends for that and we're not going to do that. And I'm also not going to try and procreate with my buddies. It's just not going to happen. So it's like, it's just people forget that they have duties and responsibilities to each other that they're not going to have with their friends. It's really not a complicated
Starting point is 00:48:49 concept. Again, it's just so frustrating that these things have become so convoluted. I just, I mean, Pete, honestly, I've grown so tired of, you know, the ideologies at the 20th century. that have bled over into the 21st century when it's so obvious that these things have nothing to do with how people actually live. How do you think that all bleeds over into people's professional lives? Not people's. How does that flow over into men's personal lives? The ideology or the feminization? The feminization? I think one of the things that I've been lamenting, and I'll forgive me for using another example from, you know, my own personal life, but this is where I draw a lot of experience, honestly, and I think it's been very informative, is I've noticed that there
Starting point is 00:49:34 is no honor among contractors and the other men that I've had to work with. You know, guys will tell me they're going to show up at a certain time, and they don't. And we're talking about professionals here. I'm not just kicking the guy who's, you know, working for a basic wage here. I had a guy who told me he was going to do a thing, and I trusted that he was going to do that thing and complete it by the time that he said he was going to complete it by i showed up um when he was supposed to be done to meet with him and talk to him about it and nothing he hadn't even touched it and hadn't told me nothing there was no responsibility it just again it goes back to the sense of honor that i think has been lost uh between men and in something as basic as just keeping to your word i think that this
Starting point is 00:50:14 is one of the most frustrating things that has disappeared in our culture is the fact that words mean nothing anymore um you know someone might say an oath but what is that it's just air right i think that's how a lot of people view this. And that to me is one of the strongest indicators of just this hyperfeminization that has snuck in. And we're talking about hard men too that will do this, right? Guys who you wouldn't normally call effeminate. But again, you know, if you say something and you promise something and you fail to deliver or even to attempt to deliver and then don't communicate those things. Like to me, that's just weak. employers with clever cards you can instantly send up to 1500 euro tax free to every employee clever cards digital master cards are delivered instantly via email stored securely in apple or google pay on your smartphone and accepted worldwide in store or online no late deliveries are lost cards that's why over 15,000 businesses already use clever cards
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Starting point is 00:52:29 stocks last yeah i was i can't remember who i was talking with a few years ago it was um when i was really starting to understand just how evil and up liberalism was and how it just it's basically it it's there to destroy a society it's there to weaken a society so that those who know exactly how it's affecting society can actually rule society while everybody else is being drunk on liberalism and and getting deracinated and falling apart you get you can get a organized group come in and basically be able to take over and, you know, destroy what the society that's been built. And I remember asking, you know, it's like, well, people talk about, we want freedom.
Starting point is 00:53:24 And it's like, and you know, before the Enlightenment, there was no freedom. And I can't. I don't remember who it was. He said, he said, it might have been Orrin, said, yeah, there was freedom. before the Enlightenment. There was freedom when there were kings. There was even freedom when people were serfs. It was called responsibility.
Starting point is 00:53:50 And people took it seriously. And a lot of those people who were even serfs, if they took responsibility and they did what they needed to do, they actually have more freedom, actually have more free time. A lot more. than the average person does today. Yeah, the average peasant farmer in 14th century Europe, I think, worked like an average of three months
Starting point is 00:54:18 tending to their fields. And this is why you get all those beautiful cathedrals all throughout northern, southern, and western Europe, well, really everywhere in Europe. But that's how you get that, is men who, they were able to work and to provide for their families, and it only required a couple of months of time at most. And then they were able to dedicate the rest of the time to building and to actually enhancing their communities. Again, it goes back to the beginning of our conversation where, I mean, we are slaves in the truest sense, not just to money and worshipping Moloch, but also to our passions. And this is one of the things that frustrates me the most is that people are so attached to this idea of my freedom. Well, not recognizing, as you said, that it's truly its responsibility that actually provides for freedom. You know, one of the things that I really, it opened my eyes to a lot of the perversions of liberalism when I was in college when I started reading Aristotle and I started to, really start to understand the four cardinal virtues and start to apply them.
Starting point is 00:55:13 You start to realize that these base tenets of living life actually free you for the bounds of a lot of those things that might actually enslave your minds. I mean, I think this is one of the things that has been so devastating for modern society, and it's one of the things that we are facing. And people who shouldn't, I mean, again, not to harp at this issue in particular, but people who are transsexuals, these are people. who I actually have a lot of pity for them because I think that their minds have been so
Starting point is 00:55:43 warped by lust and other probably deeper and more nasty and perverse desires that they've just let run rampant. And this is what happens at the end is they become twisted and turn into these unfortunate and pitiable creatures, dangerous creatures even. So I totally agree
Starting point is 00:55:59 with you. This idea of freedom that modern Americans have is just it's completely perverted and inverted, quite frankly. Well, I mean, I think that it's just one of those things where it's because you're completely de-rassinated, because I think I've been listening to a couple appearances, I think first with Orrin and then with Jay Bird and his gentleman Johann Kurtz, he's written this book on, I got to look it up. but the uh basically talking about how if you're not raising your if you're if you're if you're not trained it's um yeah basically how to build a legacy and that's something that is completely lost i mean when you sure there are some families you know legacy families who their their kids get caught up in um caught up
Starting point is 00:57:07 like the Pritzker family. I mean, they have a fucking, you know, one of the kids is a fucking freak. And they're also, you know, funding one of the biggest funders of this whole transgender thing.
Starting point is 00:57:22 But you know, if you raise somebody within, okay, this is what you're, this is who we are. This is what we do. And this is what you're going to do. If you want to go away to college,
Starting point is 00:57:35 it's going to be for a specific, purpose. But we have a family business. We have this. We have that. And this is the way things are going to be done. And it's not, you're not doing it as a tyrant. You're doing it as this is the way it's always been. This is a, we are a, you know, this family is a unit. This family is something historic. And you're a part of it. And you raise people like that. They have, I would assume they have less of a tendency to run off and be like, oh, yeah, should cut my dick off because I have no opportunity. I have no identity. I'm not going to become a run out and like politics, like a political ideology is going to become my identity and my morality
Starting point is 00:58:22 because I haven't grown up with an identity. I haven't been given an identity. I haven't been taught that I have an identity and that it's something historic and it's something that my ancestors have. And it's something that I'm supposed to pass on to, you know, to my progeny it's so if you don't have that yeah and I didn't grow up with that at all then you you know I mean I didn't cut my dick off but a lot of people are doing that a lot of people are doing that because I mean what kind of grounding can they have what kind of identity can they have how do if you do that you don't know who you are you have an idea of what you are you don't know who you are and you just you think that you're just a i don't know
Starting point is 00:59:16 well what am i i'm a sexual everything's about my dick everything's about my genitals what kind of society how do you build something off of that how do you build a legacy off of that how do you build a society how do you have a society where you have people running around going I'm going to get laws passed that because I'm so damaged that I cut my dick off. I'm going to get a law past that if you don't call me what I want you to call me, you're going to go to jail. Apparently, I'm reading today, some guy in frigging Ireland is being sentenced to life in prison because you misgendered somebody.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Was this the teacher? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to refrain from Fed posting, Pete. But because, yes, I, the short answer and the only answer, quite frankly, is you can't, right? It's like I said, while I may have pity for them, these people, and they're going to continue to prove it time and again, they are dangerous.
Starting point is 01:00:32 They've proven dangerous already. they're being filled with hatred for people like you and I and just for children and this hatred could take a number of different forms right it isn't just in the use of actual gun violence or knife violence right it could be very sexual in nature again we talk about the passions and these people have completely submitted to lust and to rage and to any other number of these you know deadly sins and as a result I don't know, I don't know what you do with them, Pete, or at least I won't say it here. But it's a sign of where we are, right? It's just a sign of how degraded we have become as a country. And again, you know, to kind of bring it back to a lot of things that I really want to focus on before I get myself in trouble, it's just that I just want to build, man, like that's all I want to do. I want to love the people in my community. I want to build for them. I want to fight for them. And that's kind of,
Starting point is 01:01:33 how I want to think about the world is, yes, there are a lot of these terrible things going on, you know, but I'm just some random guy, right? And I can't deal with all these crazy things happening at the national level. But I can essentially deal with these things at the local level, just again, by trying to protect these families, protect these schools, paying attention to what is going on in them, and hopefully, you know, doing the best that I can and with the people around me to kind of protect these children's minds. Because that's where a lot of this starts is these children lose their innocence at an age that's far too young. And that's one of the great tragedies of all of this. Inflation pushes up building costs, so it's important to review your home insurance
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Starting point is 01:02:52 There is no top-down solution to this. There is no, we get the right guy elected and watched. in D.C., we get the right guy elected governorship, and they're going to fix all of this. No, no, what you're doing, what you're doing fixes this, going out and seeing that there's a guy who people have just given up on, and you're like, yeah, I think he deserves a chance. Sure, he might let me down, sure, my fuck some shit up, but I'm going to give him a chance. and, you know, there's a chance that you could just absolutely turn somebody's life around. And I'm not saying that, you know, you're going to change the world.
Starting point is 01:03:40 You're going to change your part of the world. But I think that's, you know, and this is starting to sound like some kind of frigging motivational bullshit. But if everybody just started concentrating on doing that, who the fuck cares who's president? Yeah, I mean, I hear people go that, well, you know, they'll come and get you at some point and everything like that. like you okay well I mean I've been saying that forever it's like oh they're you know they're
Starting point is 01:04:07 come and get and they haven't they're probably not going to probably not going to come and get most people any other the budgets do stuff like that and much less the will you just fucking making excuses for not doing anything no I agree I mean look this is the thing this is how I look at it Pete is, well, I guess there are a couple of ways. But if they're going to come, if somebody's going to come after me and kick in my door and take me away, just because I want to legitimately help the people in my community and I want to take care of them and do right by them, then we're fucked anyways. Like, what else are you supposed to do at that point? If somebody who, and the thing is, you know, if guys like us are working and starting to set examples that run counter
Starting point is 01:04:53 to the narrative and people start to notice, there is a good chance that, that maybe some people get knocks on the door. But I think that that's just something that we have to accept. That's the world we live in, whether or not you like it. And I often, Pete, I try to, you know, the Latin phrase, Momentumor, just remembering death. I try to think about how I would think about my life if I were to die right now. And then also how I would reflect on my life as I've lived it up to this point when I'm, you know, if I make it to my deathbed and I get to think about these things.
Starting point is 01:05:22 And if I knew the things that I know and I didn't try to do something to protect, the people in my community. And again, I'm just talking about building things, about, you know, starting businesses, funding businesses, giving people some money, giving people opportunities, you know, just beating them. Like, I'm not talking about anything other than those things. If I don't do those things, then I lived a miserable and failed life at the end of it. And I think that that's how a lot of us really need to start thinking. It's just that things are happening and they're happening at a rapid pace. And if you understand that there is something that is off and you've seen it, you absolutely have a responsibility to start to act against that.
Starting point is 01:06:00 And again, I just, just go down. I mean, it can be as simple as picking up trash or going down and volunteering at your homeless shelter. You don't need to build a big multi-million dollar business and employ a bunch of people. But not everybody's going to do that. Not everybody's cut out for that. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just picking up the trash and helping the old lady carry in her groceries is all you got to do it's you know i'm not talking about anything massive here yeah yeah i think it's i think a lot of people are a lot of guys are defeated they feel defeated they feel like they've been taught that anything that they try to change is going is not going to make a difference and somebody else is going to have to make the change
Starting point is 01:06:50 And, you know, it's one of the great things I like about Thomas is Thomas is just like, well, I mean, this isn't, this isn't salvageable, you know, Washington, D.C., basically politics, the regime isn't salvageable. So anything you're doing to try to, like, fix it, you're basically like the enemy. you're trying to fix something that is your enemy you're just hoping that you get someone elected who isn't even going to help you is just going to leave you alone and while you're doing that
Starting point is 01:07:30 you're thinking that you're down in the dumps you're not doing anything you're not building social capital with people you're not building a community and oh go ahead sorry No, I'm just going to say, it's like I said on my speech, it's just live historical lives.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Just go be a local. Go get to know your local bartender or go get to know a couple of your business owners and just make friends with them. It's, again, like it's just participating in that community, this idea that's just been completely obliterated over the last 80 years. And I'm fully aware of the difficulties of these things. You know, the place my hometown has been completely destroyed by overdevelopment and completely, I mean, it's been demographics. effectively replaced. It's one of the things that troubles my soul very deeply is the fact that because I'm very much a homebody, right? I had a very deep love for the marshes and the forests and the fields and the hills that I played in as a boy. And they are all gone. And they've all been built on with massive apartment complexes. It's impossible to drive around. I don't recognize any faces
Starting point is 01:08:37 anymore. So in that place, I don't know how you build community anymore. I don't know. In my hometown, I don't know how you do it, okay? But I do know because of where I've lived and lots of other places. This isn't just a small town thing. I've lived in a big city in which I started to do this very similar thing. And I've seen it. So I know it is possible. It's just, it's literally just being local and paying attention to those things.
Starting point is 01:09:02 Again, I think people overcomplicate things far too greatly. And here's another thing. And I don't want to be hypercritical of guys because I've been there, Pete. You know, I was, I've been really, I still battled depression from time to time. And I made a decision about five years ago that I just, I wasn't going to wallow in this misery, but I do understand it. And what I, I always ask myself was what was the point? But one of the things that really helped to put things into perspective is the truth that, you know, as a Christian, you know, there is this idea that we're transient and heaven is to come. And that's fine, right?
Starting point is 01:09:38 but I don't just believe in just disappearing in some flash of light and going away. Like, we need to do things and build things here. We're called to build and to love and to do those things. But, you know, I studied the Romans. I have a deep love for the ancients. And almost nothing that those great men that many of us might admire, none of it still really exists. Nothing that they've really built still is there, at least tangibly.
Starting point is 01:10:01 I mean, all things kind of fall away and decay over time. So, but that doesn't matter. That wouldn't have stopped Alexander. from conquering Persia, wouldn't have stopped Caesar from conquering goal. It didn't matter. You know, and I think that's what guys need to stop worrying about. They just need to understand, yeah, okay, things may not be permanent. It doesn't matter, right? It is your duty to look out for your people and to try and build your community and do right by those around you. It doesn't matter what ultimately is going to happen. And, you know, if everything falls apart and you get
Starting point is 01:10:27 destroyed, well, you fought the good fight and, you know, you deserve to be honored and and maybe, yeah, you probably won't be remembered, but so what? You know, like, I think this is the biggest problem with people on the right. And I apologize for going too long here. But it's just people are stuck in their own minds. And the world really isn't, in some ways, it is that bad. In other ways, it's not. But either way, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:10:50 It shouldn't stop people from getting out there, from our guys, from getting out there, and fighting for what is right, for building for something better. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's, I mean, it's breaking things. through, you know, conditioning, breaking through brainwashing, and, you know, just fear. You know, you can never discount how, just how fearful people are to try and how fearful people are to fail. And you just can't have any success without it.
Starting point is 01:11:34 You can't have any success without failing. and people just don't want to hear that and that probably goes back to the feminization thing where it's like you feel like if you fail you're like oh i'm i may you know i'm weak so well it's like no actually it's a lot more it's a lot weaker to not not even try and to just give up at this point yeah the black pilling is you know i mean you know i moved to where i moved to where i moved because I just feel like being here, it's a lot easier to operate in the world than it is in a city. And I don't have any ties to cities. I know people, I'm going to talk to a buddy of mine about cities, possibly next week, I think.
Starting point is 01:12:31 And he lives in a city, and he's talked about taking cities back. And we're going to talk about, you know, what his, how he would plan to do that. But, you know, it comes down to it. It's, yeah, it's hard to, if that's your goal, you know, you don't want to have a family. You know, you don't even, you might not even want to have a wife because you're putting yourself, you know, you're putting a, playing a bullseye on yourself. But I mean, that's just stuff that takes, it just takes will. It takes will. It takes, it takes effort to, you know, just be like.
Starting point is 01:13:06 all right well i mean yeah this small town i live in is great but that doesn't mean people you know because it's so insular someone can sneak in from the outside and can start really fucking shit up so maybe we need to you know set it up so that we can um you know be on guard for that and it's just at this point it's all just getting off your ass and doing and doing stuff stuff. And, you know, part of that is getting together with people. And I think that was, you know, one of the best things about the event, the event in Oregon. And any event I've gone to, you know, the Oak Glory Club's events, our national events the last couple of years and our local events here is you're around people who are like, okay, what are you doing? Oh, that's awesome. You know,
Starting point is 01:14:00 what kind of ideas do you have? Yeah, I want to do this. I mean, I was on the phone yesterday with someone he's like yeah I was just basically messing around and I built this what do you think we can do with it and I'm like what can't we do with it yeah you know it's like holy shit I mean it's like you just built something that I mean are is going to help our guys and help our guys in in ways that are you know where you know for certain things you'll be canceled proof it's like okay yeah how many people are concentrating on that and yeah and that's just someone who's like hey i just need you know get on the phone with me a couple minutes for your time what do you think i'm like i think you're knocking it out of the fucking park yeah it's just it's it's
Starting point is 01:14:55 amazing what you can what you can accomplish if you just stop looking at the stop looking at the world stop looking at national politics stop looking at all of this and just be like, you know, be aware of it because it can be dangerous and it can affect you, but you're not going to let it stop you. Nothing's going to, nothing's going to stop us. There are a few things I find more invigorating, Pete, than these, you know, these get-togethers with guys, because it's such a positive thing. I mean, especially after this most recent one, I was really impressed with every guy that I met. A lot of people had some very interesting things going on. I have, you know, grown fonder of the local guys. I've started to build
Starting point is 01:15:40 better relationships with them. I don't see them as often as I would like, especially the Portland guys. But there really are an amazing group of young men. And it's just, it brings just such joy to see, you know, these things going on and these guys getting together and just sharing the same passions that I have, just this desire to build. As I said, there is this energy. There is this undercurrent. And this is one of those things where, you know, a lot of times. sometimes, you know, I know you and a lot of guys that you talk about will talk about kind of civilizational energy. You know, I've heard people talk about this and people saying, oh, well, the West is spent
Starting point is 01:16:14 or Christendon is done. And I, quite frankly, I don't think that's the case. I still think there's something there. It just needs to be tapped into. Trump is a demonstration of that. And I don't know how much time left there is. I don't know. But again, I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but I do sense something.
Starting point is 01:16:32 There are these undercurrents of just people, desperately wanting something better, but not knowing what it is that they want. Again, as we talked about, they just, they need to be led. But, you know, going back briefly to getting off your ass and doing things, it, I think one of the big issues with a lot of guys in just, I think in general, is that there's a lack of sense of purpose. And just doing the things we've already talked about will give you, it starts to help you understand your place in the world, and it gives you that general sense of purpose.
Starting point is 01:17:10 And I think that that's incredibly important for starting to build that desire and the will you're talking about it. It's really hard when you're sitting on your ass listening to how the world is ending or this or that thing didn't pass in the Senate to want to get up and do something, right? You just, why would you have the will? There's no reason for you to do anything because there's nothing you can affect. But, you know, if you're going and working at your local homeless shelter or you're donating money or you're helping your neighbor build this thing and you're seeing the tangible effects
Starting point is 01:17:34 of your efforts manifest themselves in the real world, that over time is going to build the will and the desire to continue pushing. And it also gives you that sense of purpose. I mean, these things all happen at the same time. All right, Durnall, I really appreciate you coming on. Good talk. I question whether, you know, we talked about a lot of things and we also got a lot off of our chest. He's getting a lot off of our chest feminine. No. There's much more to being a man than just, you know, beating the shit out of somebody and yelling and all that. I think that sometimes people need to be told the truth or at least, you know, some things need to be set. And hopefully some people listen and, you know, it's actionable what we've said tonight. Awesome. Awesome. All right. Plug away. I know what you're going to plug. Go ahead. Okay. Great. Yep. So if anybody wants to check us out, you know, I have no.
Starting point is 01:18:34 digital footprint for the most part, I've published an article, and I've got a couple of my speeches over at the Cascade Frontier Substack. It's a great place, find great work. And then also over on X, we've got Skelos Rising. This is one of our best guys. He's an incredible guy, great mind, a lot of energy, and he's got lots of great stuff that he posts on there. So if anybody wants to go check those things out, I'd highly recommend it. All right. I appreciate it. Thank you. And until the next time, take care. You too. See, Pete.
Starting point is 01:19:04 You know what I'm going to be. Thank you.

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