The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1306: The Future of Anti-Zionist Politics w/ Michael Rectenwald

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

63 MinutesPG-13Michael Rectenwald is a former academic and the author of several books on the network of groups who vie for power to rule over the people.Michael joins Pete to discuss the PAC he has formed, AZAPAC, which is at the point where they are endorsing anti-Zionist candidates.AZA-PACMichael on Twitter/XMichael's Books on AmazonPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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you're doing sure so you know we've had a really big boost we put out a video I think it was November 17th or so caused a massive spike in our hits on on the video itself it's gotten well over a million views just on one post and then there were several others and it got a lot of press brought in a lot of donations which are still flowing so we've we've been doing really well it's we're we're more than up and running now we're definitely heading towards full speed at this juncture and we've as we endorsed three candidates and funded them to some extent and we're going to be making a slate of endorsements very soon. About seven or eight other candidates, we're going to endorse and fund some of them.

We'll fund most of them, actually. So, yeah, it's going, it's going well. I haven't had any death threats yet or attempts. And so far, I haven't detected any child porn on my computer, which they could pour it up to it at any time. that just tells me that unit 8200 is busy right now they um you know they have they haven't noticed you yet the um yeah that's a very real thing um karyaku john karyaku um former cia now whenever we say former cia we always have to throw quotes in there because we don't know but um you know

he's some of the stuff that he's described uh where what they did to like the pets of CIA agents that were that had disrespected them was you know horrifying for the for pet owners like myself um you know and also you know we know that they've they've killed people we don't need to name any names or um you know try to come up with any conspiracy theories but the let me ask you this about about the candidate yeah what kind of reaction are the candidates getting like when they go and they do their do their events and do talks what kind of reactions are they getting yeah they're they're getting good reactions and they're very happy to be associated with us and to be supported by us we're not getting they haven't been yet attacked on that basis they will be uh but they haven't yet been and so so far our endorsements are helping them and we featured three of them in our in our video Aaron Baker Jose Vega and Mike Will now all three running against proto you know

proto-Zionist candidates you know of course Randy Fine and turn from Mike I'm sorry Aaron Baker running against Aaron Randy Fine is one of our big targets and i should say big targets and uh we're going to be running some ads against him we've we're going to slay this pig really uh we're going to then we're going to roast them over a fire of course this is all metaphorical yeah randy fine particularly seems like if you if your goal was to increase anti-semitism, Randy Fine would be like your poster boy. I mean, this is someone who has openly and publicly celebrated the death of children

and has, doesn't say, oh, we need to just, we need to, destroy Hamas. He says, no, we need to destroy Gaza. And what he means by Gaza is we need to destroy Gazans. We need to kill as many Gazans as we can. And he says this openly. He's unapologetic about it. And you have to wonder whether it's mental illness, which it most likely is, whether somebody is orchestrating something by writing this for him to, I don't know, increase anti-Semitism because that seems to be something that they want. It is something that, yeah, to be hated.

And it also, they can also point and go, oh, look at these evil people. Don't you know that the Holocaust happened? And they want, people like this just want to holocaust us. Oh, absolutely. You saw this with the recent meeting of the, I think it's the World Jewish Congress and Ronald Lauder talking about basically they're saying they're going to target any anti-Zionists trying to get into the government, trying to get into Congress. They're going to go after them. So the lines are starkly drawn here. I think they do want anti-Semitism.

I think, of course, Israel depends on anti-Semitism. The whole founding of Israel was based on that idea. I mean, that was the whole, you want to speak about the Jewish question? That was the big question. What do we do? And they, you know, Herzl made it clear that we need anti-Semitism. It's the lifeblood of this whole Zionist movement. It's necessary for justifying the state of Israel.

And then I think they want to promote it in the U.S. and then use it to say, look, look at all these anti-Semites, we need to increase our power so that we can put down these anti-Semites. Effectively, that's what Ronald Lauder said, and this guy's, of course, a billionaire. He's basically saying, we need to control everything in order to, you know, in order to counter anti-Semitism. So I think anti-Semitism is a basic pretext for increasing Zionist power and control. That's what they're using it for, and that's why they want to promote it.

I think Randy Fine is probably doing so at, you know, probably upon direction, I would think. Well, the thing that they, you know, I don't know how or why. These are supposed to be very, I've been told they're very smart people with very high IQ and have a lot of Nobel Prize winners. But it seems to me that if you, on October 7th, what they could have done was they could have been, they could have played the victim like they always do. You know, this came out of nowhere. This happened because we're Jewish. The reason they did it is because they're a Muslim and it's a hateful ideology. And no, they just decided that they were going to tell.

televised that they were going to basically knowing that it would be televised and they actually had a telegram channel where they were promoting what they what they were openly doing and showing their worst atrocities on this telegram channel. I don't think, I think that if you you only have to assume that either you have so much people are so invested in you as a people, no matter what you do, they're going to support you, or that you have to, you've completely misjudged that you can get away with basically trying to ethnically cleanse and, you know, mass murder people, you know, convincing people that, you know, two-year-olds are in Hamas. Yeah.

You know, then you, I think that you've, it's something we've seen in the past with, with Jewish power is that they, they get really cocky and think that, okay, we, nobody can come against us now. And, yeah, I mean, that's what it's, that's what it seems like has happened. It looks to me like they're suggesting that, uh, we're going to put it in your faces now. Our power is basically irresistible. There's nothing you can do. So we're just going to stick it in your face. As you pointed out, I think the live stream genocide was, they knew that it would be live streamed. There was no way around it.

And they had their own soldiers, you know, uploading atrocity videos effectively all the time. And they're all saved by many, by some organizations that we link to on our site. They have live streamed this and I think they knew it would be live streamed and they knew that this would cause backlash and I think part of it is a psychological operation of total demoralization. If we can show you that we can undertake this with no opposition from the international community, then we have exhibited our omnipotence with reference to you and you have no power and likewise you're here. going to be demoralized and defeated by virtue of our demonstration of unmitigated crimes against humanity, which you can't prevent. I think that's partly what's happened. Well, it helps to have the most powerful, you know, richest nation in the world on your side. And the only way you can really have the most powerful richest nation on your side is through bribery and subversion,

and getting your people in charge. You know, there are people out there like, and the only reason I mentioned this person is because they have a huge, huge platform to promote the bullshit that they promote is Adam Curry and John C. DeVorek from the No Agenda podcast. They decided a couple of years ago that the United States controls, you know,

controls Israel, completely one-sided and they went and found an expert that, you know, basically came in and explained how this happens. I think most of us know that it's, I mean, does the United, if the United States does control Israel, it's only because there are so many Israelis in positions of power and wealth that it's, it's a synergism that you're basically sucking the resources out of the United States. to Israel because Israel doesn't really build anything. They have technology, yeah, they do technology, but a lot of their technology is stolen

from other places. And they just build upon it. But yeah, I mean, the only reason they can get away with this at this point, considering pretty much every country in the world, except for Israel and probably England, it despises them and wants nothing to do with them, is because they, you have it's the bully who you know it's the the bully who's like five feet tall but the reason he can be a bully is because there's a six foot tall guy behind him that weighs 300 pounds who's going to beat up anybody who tries to mess with him yeah i think yeah i've had this debate with uh sort of in the anti zionist

milieu there are two basic whole you know positions i'd say with reference to the relationship between the U.S. and Israel. The left-leaning so-called anti-Zionists see it in the reverse of what I see it, and I think probably you. And that is that they think that, you know, Israel is like a U.S. or Western imperialist colony, and the United States is pulling the strings using Israel as a kind of outpost and all that. That's been the leftist line for some time. I think it's demonstrably false. because it's clear that, look, when a ruling class deals with their underlings, they suck resources from that underling class. And that's exactly what the relationship is between Israel and the United States.

They extort us for our wealth, our money, our arms, and our economic support. and they also use our political cover that we provide in the U.N. and in the media and in connection with other countries and in sanctioning countries that will not go along with Israel's depredations, sanctioning U.N. reporters who are simply doing their job and documenting and trying to get across the devastation of the gossans i mean the the we're doing their bidding so i don't see how it could be possibly construed that the united states controls israel it's the you know i mean this is the question is the is the tail wagging the dog and i think it is the tail wags the dog and it wags it hard yeah and then and i think another way that you you know

This is because the popularity of Israel and the support of Israel is dropped below 50%. So first of all, that destroys the idea of democracy. It destroys the idea of a representative republic. I'd be willing to bet that most of, I don't know, most, half of Randy Fein's constituency, which he really doesn't have. I mean, he went in there on a special election. right don't support what is doing probably realize that even if they just went at it from an economic standpoint we can't afford to be giving i think we give another 500 another 550 million

was included in 600 million yeah 600 i think it was yeah yeah so it's and that means that this year in the calendar year 2025 israel has gotten 40 billion dollars from the united has sucked $40 billion in the United States on top of the $3.8 billion that we send them every year so that they won't wage war with Egypt. Right. So one thing that you, if you really want to realize how Israel and their diaspora here control the whole, control all of this is the fact that, you know, the majority of people don't want it, but it's going to continue to happen.

I mean, how many people in, how many people in Congress have not taken money from some kind of Jewish lobby? Everybody says APEC. There's other groups that they do that. I can think of, you know, like Massey and the, there's a, I can't remember the name of the guy from Georgia who took $8 from them. And the joke is that they, they took them to Starbucks and he told them to go fuck themselves. But the, but yeah, I mean, the politicians, basically. Basically, what you have is you just have politicians who are completely loyal to another country. Many of them will openly admit that they have loyalty to Israel more than they have loyalty to the United States.

Representative Don Bacon from Nebraska says it's for biblical reasons. He'd rather see the United States destroyed than Israel. He said that to him. He told me that on Twitter. And the, you know, so basically the country, the people. don't want this but all of the all of the politicians are paid off and that's what you're that's your sisyphian task is that you're you're pushing this stone up a hill to expose this and get people in there who won't take money from from um from the jewish lobby but you know a lot of people said they

wouldn't take you know they weren't going to do that if they got in there and they ended up doing it so yeah well i would hope yeah i would hope if they're we're getting pledges yeah we're getting pledges signed uh so that if they if they accept our money that they have the sign of pledge basically that says they have they will not take any zionist or israeli backed or supportive money a pack j street coofy uh the whole panoply i mean there's so many it's hard to even name them all i should have them on the top of my tongue but i'm not that interested there there's there's too many um yeah you know a buddy a buddy of mine says if you just take the letter j and add any two letters to it in any formation

and you google it you're going to come up with a jewish foundation yeah i mean they got foundations coming out to gazoo. So one of the other things that I want to do is to form a think tank. We need a think tank to counter Zionist propaganda, Zionist, history, Zionist, intellectual work, if there is any, and to really have, you know, at our disposal, the kind of research and intellectual backing that we need to do what we're, what we have to do i think a think tank is is the next step you had mentioned earlier the divide between leftist and rightist uh anti zionists and the left to see it you know it's a colonial

power and you know and a lot of those leftists are anti white and that's the reason why they the reason why they don't see zion as they they look at this country in the middle east is they they look white and that but then if you ask if you ask them they'll say they're not white they're jewish right but the but yeah i'm one of these people who's like i don't i don't want to side by side march with these leftist anti-zionists or side with them for anything but i'm definitely not going to counter signal them dionist power zionis power needs to be destroyed and me and my friends and people that i respect and people that I agree with it if we don't do it and it's the other group that does it

and it's the leftist that do it even if they hate us I'm fine with that yeah we just need that enemy destroyed we can deal with that other enemy afterwards because actually that other enemy is one that protects a lot of these people who are anti-white and promote that and promote that uh that whole ideology. Yeah, I think I've tried to talk about this in terms of domestic Zionism is one of the things that the anti-Zionist left doesn't really grasp, and that is the policies that really are promoted by the same cabal, you know, by the same people. And that, you know, of course, that first of all has to do with our freedom of speech, which are trying to revote. in the name of anti-Semitism using this anti-Semitism awareness act which who knows

what the status of this thing is in terms of the public in terms of the population outside of colleges where it definitely applies they're using that to effectively you know expel students from universities and I think they want rule it out more broadly and other parts of domestic Zionism I would talk about would be the immigration policies which are I think domestic Zionism because they want to weaken let's be real I mean they want to weaken the fabric the social fabric of the host countries and you know this gives them greater control over these countries and they don't want any unified say movements. Nationalism is of course their biggest political enemy. They hate nationalism

because nationalism doesn't work for them in terms of power and they want all of this multiculturalism. Of course, we know all that. They promoted this multiculturalism because they feel endangered as a minority otherwise or something to that effect. They like it better when there's more minorities and no block of, say, white power, that would be their biggest fear. So I call that domestic Zionism. And in this iteration right now, at least of Azapak, we're not focusing on domestic Zionism because that's what's going to split the left and right over this. And we are trying to breach, or I should say, to bridge the gap between left and right in terms of this particular enemy, the main enemy that we have, which is the Zionist ruling class, we've got to

overthrow them. So we're going to have to, we're going to have to ally with these people to some extent. And I've had, you know, interesting, shall I say, the anti-Zionist left has tried to put me an ASEPAC through kinds of litmus tests. And, you know, in a couple cases, we failed the fitness test for them because they they don't want any like i i had a group that was we were working with and we were getting along just great and they apparently i didn't know they were particularly leftist as such but after they dug up some tweets of mine about black lives matter and how i said that it wasn't i said in a tweet it's not illegal to hold white nationalist views, but it is illegal to burn down people's, you know, burn down cities. And that that was

a disqualification for them to work with Azapak because I had said that. I said, yeah, I will not, I don't, I won't deviate from that. I'm not going to apologize it from I believe in property rights. And I don't think you can justify burning down people's property because you don't like their thoughts, even thoughts that you're imputing to them. You don't even know what they hold as their thought of what they believe so i mean yeah we've had this with the anti-zionists left but we're we're still trying to work with them and we also got rebuffed by a candidate in california butchware who's running for a governor there which we were going to enter into because california is such a huge economy and if we could get bDS legalized there or at least

have Californians cease from funding, using BDS to defund Israel. That would be big. But they rejected us on similar grounds. They said that my affiliation, this was their campaign manager, my affiliation with the Mises Caucus of the Libertarian Party was a bridge too far because they are confederists. They want the Confederacy back, which I've looked in vain to find where they had ever said that. But just ludicrous stuff like that. So, but we're persevering and we'll still try to reach out to them and work with leftists. And we're not going to, you know, we're not discriminating against candidates based on their political party or even their political ideology other than their anti-Zionism right now.

because, as you said, we can solve those questions later. What kind of economic system should we have? Who's a citizen? Who belongs here? Who doesn't? Immigration questions. All that stuff we can sort out, but we can't do it under these terms, under these conditions.

Under these conditions, we can't do anything except, you know, watch our government do behave strictly at the behest and to the so-called benefit of Israel. well it's clearly an occupation and you know the historically what i know about occupations is eventually they are going to go kinetic um yeah i mean i think you and i probably have done enough research on quote unquote muslim terrorism to know that that pops up when there's occupation And, you know, also, I mean, the IRA was the same thing with the IRA. I mean, when did they become, quote, unquote, terrorists?

They became terrorists when they were being occupied. Right. And that seems like that's when that happens. And making it very clear and bragging. I mean, they're literally bragging about how much power they have. They put out all these, all of these videos. They had that World Jewish Congress video a couple years ago where, you know, they have this girl with the all-seeing eye pendant on her neck. I mean, it was, I mean, it was straight out of central casting talking about how, you know, Jews were responsible for gay marriage, responsible for women voting, were responsible for the Civil Rights Act, were, you know, and they had Harvey Milk, you know, somebody who, you know, would would woo 14 and 15-year-old boy.

I mean, they brag about this stuff. Yeah. It is a demoralization campaign, but it's also their way, their way of saying that they own, that we own you. You know, we own this country. Right. We can do whatever we want in this country. And I don't know that you can really break bread with people who say that the Mises caucus was neo-confederate or that, you know, you didn't support BLM. But, you know, there are people like, you know, I mean, yeah, say whatever you want about his personal life.

It's heinous. But Glenn Greenwald does good work on this. Jimmy Doors a leftist. She does good work on this. I mean, the due dissidents podcast, this is two Jewish guys who are always on Jimmy Doors show. These guys are reading, you know, Professor Shlomo Sands book the invention of the Jewish people and going, oh, we're not even Jewish. We're converts from centuries back. And you're watching this and you're like, sure, these guys, you know, they, I mean, all of

their, they're all leftists and everything, but they're not the insane leftists who were like cheering, cheering cities getting burnt down. So, you know, even if you don't want to stand side by side with them, you know, you don't counter signal them. They're doing, they're doing the Lord's work, you know. and yeah absolutely yeah interestingly yeah yeah interestingly you brought up do dissidents i was on there they actually had me on and that went really well and i found out some very interesting facts about the one of the guys i don't speak with complete authority here but from what i understand he's actually

from pittsburgh where i'm from and where i live now and he's also the cousin of barry weiss yeah Yeah, the, I mean, that's amazing, right? This guy is a totally anti-Zionist and, you know, he's Jewish and he, his cousins with Barry Weiss. Of course, Barry Weiss, we know, is a major feature of this Zionist propaganda apparatuses. She's, you know, taken over CBS News, then now installed a new host for the, CBS Evening News, who is also a Jewish convert, who wrote an article about his circumcision and adulthood. So, unbelievable.

That sounds normal. That sounds normal. Yeah. Yeah, he wrote this article about how he had to be cut in order to be healed with the Jewish people. He had to be cut to be healed. you know so you know so he he gave up part of his dick to be a Jew basically he came right out and effectively said that and uh in adulthood imagine adult circumcision oh my god

and I know it's I know adults adult men who've had to have that done because you know for because of like recurring infections it's it's heinous I mean what they described was heinous. And those are the kind of articles that I don't think that they wrote. I think those articles were written for them, much like, and I will say this right now, Charlie Kirk's new book on how Christians, his book that's being posthumously published, how Christians will be blessed by keeping the Sabbath. And Erica Kirk saying that Charlie would come home on Friday night and put his phone in a drawer and say Shabbat Shalom. I mean, this does not sound, this doesn't sound, this sounds like it was written by other people. Just like when you look at the notes,

when you look at the notes in the Schofield Bible, you're like, did Theodore Herzl-Ratsel write these? I mean, where do these come from? Exactly. Well, they're saying also, they're saying Charlie Kirk was Jewish. That's what they're saying now. Did you hear that one? I've heard that one, yeah. Well, I mean, if he's coming home on Friday night and putting his phone away and saying Shabbat Shalom, well, I mean, if that's true and she's not completely M.K. Ultrad out or something like that, then that tells me a lot. I don't have much faith in anything, she says. I don't know what the story is with her, but it seems to me almost as if, you know, it's a strange thing, but in a certain moment, I'll think, I wonder if his whole marriage and everything was a complete stage. operation it you know that's what it looks like in the out in the um with the uh basic well i'll tell you that since his death it looks like the whole the whole marriage was like part of an operation well i will tell you this um i go on michael ferris's podcast often coffee

and a mike great podcast he has i mean he's such a heterodox he'll talk to anyone. And, you know, I enjoy him allowing me to come on there and rant about, you know, the JQ. Yeah. But he told me he lives, he lives in Arizona. And he says he go, he would go to the grocery store. He's a single man. So he would go to the grocery store. And he would see Charlie Kirk there buying groceries alone. Now, I'm, how many men married men with kids go grocery shopping alone yeah i mean that's typically not how it's done you either go with your wife or your wife does it frankly i mean you know uh yeah there's something fishy there i don't know what it is and i'm not going to speculate too much

and be called a low iq anti-sumite or some shit but uh anybody who accuses you would be in low iq you, Michael, is low IQ. Thanks, man. But the, you know, getting back to this, you know, your pack and getting people elected and supporting people who are running on an anti-Zionist platform, I mean, first of all, that takes some balls. Yeah, I guess you're maybe I'm crazy. Well, I'm not even only talking about you.

You know, I'm talking about the person who will run on that platform because you are, you're going to be called everything in the book. And there is a really good chance that if you don't get elected, if you're not independently wealthy, if you're not, if you don't own your own business, you may be unemployable. Who said this recently? Oh, Pierce Morgan said that. Pierce Morgan, when he was interviewing Fuentes, he talked about Fuentes' dad because Fuentes had brought it up. And later in the show, I don't know how many people picked up on this. But, you know, Nick brings up him talking about his dad again.

And then Morgan moves on. But then he comes back and he goes, you know, employers really should be able to make a decision about, you know, who they want to employ because of what. they believe yeah i heard him say that yeah he did say that i did hear that that that was very curious uh as if he's trying to get fluent his dad fired from whatever job he has uh and feuentes pushed back quite a bit on that and uh yeah i mean that's what he said in effect so there's like some sort of you know litmus tests that you have to pass in order to be employed and anti-semitism is, of course, on the top of the list.

You know, and it's not, you know, I've taken a saying recently. It's, you know, it's not anti-Semitism. Antisemitism is the phrase that they use. Of course. And too many of our people who are, you know, who notice all this stuff will adopt it just like, you know, blacks were like, oh, we're taking the N-word back. Yeah. It's, you know, I've taken to saying,

Judeo aware. Yeah, yeah, sure. You have to be aware that there's this, there's a, not all of them, of course. I mean, that would be impossible. But there is this group that there is this group that seeks power, a powerful group. They have a network and they work together. Yeah. Left wing, quote unquote left wing and quote unquote right wing Jewish people, they work together.

hand in hand. And what's funny is, even a lot of the times when you'll see right-wing Jews cry about left-wing Jews and decry them, and you'll see left-wing Jews cry about right-wing Jews and decry them, the things that they're working towards, if they're activists, always seem to complement each other, like starting a war, which opens the borders. Right. and you know causes a refugee crisis and right so the left wing jews are there saying no barbola specter is there going no europe will not survive unless it becomes multicultural right and it's like oh okay what well i mean did you just are we are we supposed first do we take that as a threat

second of all do you know what are you saying and why are you saying this so openly and what do you mean What do you mean that a continent that, you know, that consists of countries that consist of races of people that have survived for a thousand years and in many cases much longer as a cohesive unit, they won't survive unless they are, unless every prison in Africa in the Middle East is emptied and they're sent into Europe. Yeah. Yeah, unbelievable. I mean, we talked about one thing you brought up that reminds me of what we talked about last time was that we noticed that this group acts in concert with each other, that they are coordinating their efforts and they act as a group. And, you know, the kind of grief I got from libertarians when I first started to say during the campaign and after for noting that. that groups have interests and that they act as groups. This was decried by the libertarian contention as collectivism

and that I was a collectivist for noticing this. I said, no, no, I'm not the collectivist for noticing it. They're the collectivist for doing it, okay? So, I mean, it's so hard for them to get. But yeah, that was a big point of contention and lost me a lot of the libertarian movement. I would say it's interesting with Azepec, I've noted we haven't gotten too much libertarian support, to be honest.

Well, I mean, if you work in a warehouse, you don't really have a lot of extra money. Yeah. It's, yeah. And I'm not saying, and there's a lot of libertarians that are very, very successful. I mean, they're doing. very well, but it seems like the loudest ones that I, that I encounter or ones where it's like, did you just give up? It is like, you know, it's like, I mean, I've literally had libertarians.

I remember in 2021, I was talking to, um, Matt, um, King Pilled, Matt, um, his name is escaping, his last name's escaping me now, but King Pilled. And, you know, we were talking about, you know, taxes to have all these and, you know, and how it destroys wealth. And he said, Well, just make more money. And it was, and these libertarians who I guess they don't want to try, they've given up on life, their excuse was, well, if I make more money, I'm going to end up paying more taxes, and that'll just go to the war machine. And it's like, okay, so stay fucking poor.

That's what they want. That's what the power, that's what this, the powers that be that you hate so much, that libertarians are like they're illegitimate they want you to be poor they don't want you to be able to fight against them i mean politics is about money you know this you've started a pack you can't do anything without money the reason why the the reason why the left is so powerful is is because leftists are revolutionaries and even the billionaire leftists will pour money into leftists and they don't care whether it's far they don't care whether they're far left psychopaths yeah they don't give them money in fact they prefer them it seems they prefer far left

psychopaths over the other yeah yeah and and then and then on the right it's like oh well you know i'm sorry but you know you you you question the post-war consensus once and you know we're not going to we can't give you any money you know it's like it's like people on the right or people who think they're on the right they're really leftist when it comes down to their core you know they're always reaching out to the left and the reason why they're always reaching out to the left and punching to their right is because they're leftists they just think they just appear to be right wing because so much of this of what's happened in the social engineering regime for the last 100 years has brought everything over to the left so if if you're historically right at all and you know i'm

talking about you know what most normal people believed before the french revolution then you're like they think you're a psychopath yeah yeah absolutely that's correct or a fascist or or yeah a fascist um you know you're you can't be trusted you're you'll make us look bad i mean that's literally what it is it's like well you know because it's pretty much criminal to be right wing really be right wing a real right winger you're just going to make us look bad because your right wing beliefs they don't fit in with um you know with our donors exactly uh so yeah i mean that's uh the idea that that their right wing is uh a misnomer i think and uh i was thinking of something else but it's it's just back to this whole thing about group action and group behavior uh

the idea that groups don't act in concert and have agency as a group is ludicrous. That's a ridiculous idea. And there isn't a sociologist on the face of the earth that would ever say that's true, that groups don't act in concert for their own interests. And so they certainly do, and just noticing it isn't collectivism. It's actually just noticing. It's just noticing patterns of behavior and noticing activities that work together in concert

to achieve certain ends. And the left-right thing, and for that, is you're right. The left feeds the right, and the right feeds the left. The wars feed the immigration deluge, and that feeds the left. So the right and left, as far as this goes, with the Zionists right and left, they're absolutely working hand and glove. Yeah, I always point out to these libertarians who are such radical individualists that the first

thing they do when they become a libertarian is look for other libertarians to hang out with. Oh, well, we're not planning on, well, it's not like we're coming together to collectivize to, you know, to do anything. Well, maybe that's the problem. Yeah, why have a party if you're not going to come together as a collective to do something? It's absurd. And then hold a philosophy that says, you know, we treat everything in terms of individuals. And so individual behavior is all we're looking at. And we don't want to judge anybody based on anything other than their individuals, you know, desiderata.

And we cannot even look at group behaviors if it's real. Individuals act on their own terms and for their own self-interest, and that's it. Nothing else exists. Absurd. Well, I think it's interesting that libertarianism and the kind of libertarianism, like American libertarianism, or like the Murray Rothbard and Lerick von Mises kind of libertarianism. Ludwig von Mises was a man of the old world, but a lot of the libertarianism that points to individualism, you know, it's really odd, it seems really odd to me that that really started gaining momentum right around the time that it was decided that monarchies were not, we weren't going to have monarchies anymore. We were going to have democracy. And, you know, I think it's kind of hard to not notice that a lot of the libertarian thought leaders belong to a certain tribe and that when you're pushing individualism and that is the

individual that matters and the collectivizing and using the state as force and violence and all that, while every other group, every other group, Every other person outside of yours is teaming up in a group to collectivize, get power, whether that be monetary power, whether it be political power, whether it be social power, they're doing that. And you're sitting there. I think you're going to lose. Yeah. I think you're going to lose. Absolutely.

You're going to lose because you're just not, you're not noticing. You're not taking into consideration any power. in the collective that you want to be in that you say then you disavile being in a collective in the first place it's it's ridiculous so you're yeah you're gonna lose and that's why and frankly and uh hopefully this doesn't well i don't care i guess that's why i said the libertarian party is like never going anywhere it's never going anywhere i mean it really can't it's your i think i think they may have taken it down but i think when i joined the libertarian party way back when you had to sign a pledge at least on the website you had to check the box for the pledge to say that you you eschewed

force personally and politically and it's like okay wait a minute hold on politics is force yeah politics is sometimes you're going to use force sometimes you're going to use violence now if you're a little atheist who sits there and you've adopted libertarianism because you're an atheist and you need to find a morality somewhere so now you've adopted this you know private property and the non-aggression principle and all this other bullshit as your as your morality yeah i mean i can get it but like the people who live in the real world yeah they look around and they're like well i mean everyone else is using everyone else is using force and so what are you you're just going to sit there and just take it yeah it's like it's like the christians who the christians who are not are nonviolent oh there's never a place to use violence um you know christians we lose down here all of our rewards are in heaven we cannot i mean these people are absolutely insane they know first of all they know nothing about the history of christianity um they've they've adopted

they've adopted a very judeized form of of christianity that has it that has introduced itself in the last 200 years um in concert with the rise of zionist a a um a worked out zionist ideology yeah and you know the schofield bible which was pushed by samuel untermire go look up Samuel Intermire and find out what he believed and what his connections were yeah connections to the Rothschilds i mean come on the guy was basically a Rothschild agent so that holds christian zionism is a Zionist sciop and what a sciop it is one of the most powerful siops ever to be unleashed and it's still going you know with these thousand ministers that just one over there to, I guess, what they call the Friends of Zion, Faws or something like that,

the Friends of Zion meeting. And they got their marching orders and basically got re-brain-washed for Israel because, after all, there might have been some fallout over the last two years of genocidal rampages by Israel that might make a Christian slightly suspect about the compatibility. of this ideology with Christianity. That would be, interestingly. So they knew they had to get on these people, make sure they're still on message.

And, you know, they're putting out an army. Now, they're talking about doing this in every country, an army of evangelical zealots who will basically promote Christian Zionism in their churches to the point where they even put the, Israeli flag in the church, I mean, that's, and it becomes, you know, idol worship from a Christian standpoint. Yeah, they're still working. That, that particular sciop has, has only gained momentum and it's going to be very difficult to stop. Oh, it's a waste of time. It's a waste of time.

Because who are you preaching to, boomers? Gen Z doesn't want anything to do with Israel. Millennials are struggling to buy houses. Gen X has been passed over politically, and we're just, we're, you know, we're just getting out of our nihilism phase. I mean, it's a waste of time. It's a waste of effort. You're just going to push away the young people. So is this actually an Israeli sci-op to destroy the church, to get people to stop going to church?

Yeah, that's a good point. That could very well be. Although I think they want them to be Christian Zionist zealots. So as long as the church activity and the preaching is in line with their political objectives, then I think they want them to go to church. But church becomes a kind of, church becomes nothing better like a jamboree for Zionism. Zionist activity, you know, it's not, it's not anything else. It's, it's totally perverted, totally subverted, totally under, you know, completely undermined. And any kind of Christian, real Christian ethos is washed out utterly. Yeah. Well, I mean, they've been done a good job of that in the last year and years anyway. All right. So tell me, you said you have you're looking at some more. candidates and everything you have do you do you have people who were um i i think i saw on the website that you can give on a consistent basis you can give monthly give yearly um it's i assume

it's tax deductible no donations the packs are not tax deductible at all okay and we can't accept that's right yeah and unlike apache we can't accept foreign donations and when i say that I know we know that they actually what they do is they funnel foreign money into domestic hands I mean they do all kind of things but but yeah we can't accept foreign donations and we we the donations are not tax deductible that's right you are stupid because you're you're you're endorsing candidates and you can't do that in a 501c3 yeah yeah well you can't you cannot write off political contributions it's not allowed in the whole you know the fc prohibits it so it's not our role that that really shines a

light on the hundreds you know the hundred million dollars that uh that the um edelson widow gives to donald trump then because i mean if she's not doing that to well get a deduction we know what she's doing it for right she's doing it to buy she's doing it to buy a candidate that's that's it yeah there's no there's no other benefit for them they don't get to write it off they may be able to do some sort of uh you know fancy bookkeeping some kind of uh way of writing writing it off somehow i don't know but they technically you can't write it off well let me ask you this i just thought of this a lot of people will say when it comes to politics that if you're if your organization or if your campaign or is against something yeah that's you know being for

something and promoting something as opposed to being against something is more attractive to people what have you considered that have you thought about that oh yeah i mean we've heard this we heard this from the very beginning oh you've got to be pro this or pro that pro america first or something but anti doesn't go anywhere well that's not what we We found to be true, actually. We found that this is very much a resonant idea, very resonant with people to be anti-Zionists and that it does have a thing that we're for. We're for national sovereignty.

And we're for really, quite frankly, national sovereignty will ironically lead to greater chances for peace in the world. because once we stop being controlled and being extorted for Israel, then it lessens the chances of Israel being able to conduct their rampages as they have. So we are for something. We're for restoring national sovereignty and desionizing the United States government. And that has benefits. And we put those on the website. what the benefits are of that.

But I don't agree that being, you know, if you say, you know, if your thing is based on anti, that it won't go anywhere. That we haven't found that to be true. As a matter of fact, we think that, in fact, being explicitly anti-Zionist has made our PAC get a lot of attention and donations, frankly. Yeah, I didn't realize how weak the,

slogan America First was until I heard Charlie Kirk say America First doesn't mean America only. Yeah, that's what it's that's what it does. It leaves a lot of holes open. So yeah, we we we we I would I would say that the PAC is America only in that respect because we don't want any foreign aid military or otherwise likewise. We just we just don't want anything to do with funding other countries, but especially Israel. But we are, you know, we are being a universalist about that. We don't want any funding for any other foreign countries. So technically that's America only. Awesome. Well, tell people where they can tell people about the website and make sure to get the website address right because there is a dash in there. Yes.

Yeah. That dash saved us $50,000. Without that dash, we would had to pay $50,000 for Asapac.com or org. It's AZA-a-dash-pack.com. A-Z-A-dash-pack.com. But if you search Google and just put in A-Z-A-P-A-C, you're going to find it. We'll come up first. So we've got good SEO. So far, Google has not banished us or downloaded graded us or blacklisted us or any of that. So we're very fortunate to that extent. Hopefully it stays that way. But it's A-Z-A- That's where you can sign up to volunteer, donate, read our resources. We're going to add a essay page very soon. We're going to put up essays from contributors on this issue, which is the issue, I think.

We're going to hit it from all different sides. And that'll be the beginning of the sort of think tank that we're going to start with pondering founding next, a think tank that would contribute articles. But in the meanwhile, we're offering, we'd like to see contributions for people that want to write about this, about the Zionist occupation of the United States and what it means for us and the world. And from any perspective, historical, political, cultural, religious, all that. We're willing to entertain essays, and we're going to have them up there.

We're going to start to fill out and create a community that way, maybe even open blogging. We'll see. But we're working on all that. Well, I will tell you if you're going to have open blogging on your, you're going to have to have really good moderation. Oh, you know. That's the only problem. The scientists will attack it like crazy. They'll be on their left and right.

The bots will be on us. Well, it's not only that. you're going to have Spurgs on our side who don't know how to articulate their ideas without coming across as low IQ or deranged yeah yeah I mean we're getting a ton of email from people and we encourage it and we're getting a ton of volunteers and we're we're getting a lot of donations but keep them coming it's all going to be put towards these candidates and to grow the organization uh in terms of our our political power frankly that's what we're after we are after political power because we need that to abolish the political powers that have occupied our country

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