The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1316: The Venezuela Motivation w/ Jose Niño

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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and get some free shipping if you order enough. All right, here we go. What's going out, man? How are you doing, Jose? Oh, going well. Yeah, pretty hectic stuff going all right. like far as like geopolitics concerned and it's been going around the podcast circuit a bit about this whole Venezuela issue yeah so yeah you did a good job with AA so I don't know that I I don't know that I watched anything else because I told you I've been busy with personal stuff so but the I wanted to have you on because you know nobody allows a 48 hour rule to to happen anymore and know it allows the seven-day rule to happen anymore.

So, you know, it's been seven days. You are, you've written tons of articles on Venezuela before this even jumped off. So what was your impression of the operation? Yeah, this is interesting. As you mentioned, I've written a lot about Venezuela. as well before, but my views have actually changed a lot too as I've evolved ideologically. But I do see this, like, to use the boxing analogy, it's kind of like a tune-up fight when the U.S. or the Judeo-American Imperium was taking a lot of Ls or just getting involved in

Guadmire's abroad through proxy wars or nation building, just looking for a win. And it was able to get, what, at least short term with this, abduction of Nicolas Maduro, which I'm strongly suspecting had some inside involvement as well, that the CIA and the broader U.S. intelligence services, they've been trying to knock off the Shavista regime since 2002, the first coup against Hugo Chavez, late Hugo Chavez. and they were able to cultivate some assets on the inside to at least be able to get like the coordinates to locate with you and then take out all his security personnel and snatch him from there.

Curiously, the regime is still intact and that has angered a good deal of the Jewish supremacist, neoconservative clique, especially the likes of El-Ey, Abrams and their Shabos Goyem like John Bolton They're still pretty livid About the fact that they couldn't

Knock off the entire Venezuelan regime But it is a harbinger In my opinion of a recalibrated Judeo-American Imperium strategy now Where they are Looking at South America And broader Latin America To try to reassert hegemony

There And just look at it with like The Javier Milet project and the ascendance of the Judeo right in Latin America. And they're kind of, they're, they're, they're not retrenching, but they're more like recalibrating to get their basis covered in the region for resource acquisition and also just making the world safe for Jewish supremacy. That is the animating drive behind a lot of US foreign policy these three these days.

So that's where I see it. Do you see, you know, taking that all aside, you know, leaving, you know, accepting the fact that, you know, we're an occupied government and that they, you know, they basically can lead any administration around by their nose. Is there any way that we, the American, the nation, I ask, I'm asking this question knowing that, you know, there's still like 50 million illegals here and, you know, the amount of, you know, The corruption you see in Minneapolis is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the whole nation is how do we benefit from this? Well, we really don't because, first off, you correctly identified the one question we have to ask here is who is the sovereign. The sovereign is not the American, the European state building people of America. It's not that.

it's very much this Jewish supremacist click and the chavois goys they have a disposal who carry out their their wishes. But ultimately, when you look at the rationale for this operation, like the drug trafficking, first off, the DA even in mid-7 is not even a big player. You'd have to look more northward to like Central American countries like Guatemala, Mexico, big drug trafficking entities, or at least transit points. or even the or Venezuela's neighbor in Colombia. And if you're going to use that, you might as well start targeting those countries. And then also just laughable, it's laughable to suggest that Venezuela is even a conventional military threat to the U.S. because their relations with countries like with Russia and China are very economic and at best to get defensive weaponry. They're not going to have like a Cuban missile crisis situation there.

And the U.S. is like the Monroe Doctrine justification. I mean, in an ideal world, we would have a Monroe doctrine if the U.S. didn't treat the whole world like its sphere of influence. But I'm more in favor of that where you don't have like extraterritorial actors setting up military bases and stuff in the region. But that's not really happening. And let's face it, as well, the U.S. is not rolling back its military presence abroad. There's very much it's still in Russia and China's face and also Iran's face as well. But there's really no benefit whatsoever from this. It's a really good short-term win for the Trump administration,

the claim that they're on the win column. But I don't really see much benefit. If you were going to hypothetically construct a Latin American policy to the benefit of Americans, it'd be obviously based on immigration restriction. And then cooperating with more rational actors like Puckel and El Salvador to do operations against drug cartels limit that activity using like PMCs and other actors and other forms of proactive cooperation these governments to stamp out these actors but instead of just doing like nation building or

really punitive strikes against arbitrary governments there you you have to have a more laser focus thing but the problem is with and this is downstream from the sovereign the problem with latin american policy if you look at it from the post-Cold War, they're promoting some permutation of Judeo capital through the so-called neoliberal reforms, which when they say it's all about deregulization, deregulation, I meant saying, and opening up markets,

that's just a euphemism for letting bad actors in Latin America, Comprador classes, to basically engage in drug trafficking or a lot of illicit activities. This means less regulation on that ability. And that's a perfect opportunity also for World Jewry to come in and continue. Because it's been my view that a lot of these neoliberal measures are just like a vector and an opening for these type of bad transnational actors in World Jewry and other drug cartels to come in and just take over these governments.

If you look at some of like the biggest drug trafficking countries in Latin America, they've either implemented these type of neoliberal reforms in some of. shape or form or they're very much U.S. allies and sometimes it's very all-inclusive but it's generally a tell and we ultimately have the

question here when talking about Latin American policy is you have to have a total class clear out if you want to have like a rational policy that supports immigration restriction and stops like drug flows and stuff and you basically have to have a policy that starts at home that encourages economic nationalism and national

sovereignty and from that point forward, you can then construct a policy in the region that encourages that. But in the current paradigm we live in after post-World War II, specifically, the only options is between like some form of Judeo-liberal liberal capital or like Judeo-like conservative capital and that stuff just leads to the kind of same result in the long term. Well, I think one of the problems that you see is that the, you know, Latin American countries need a strong man. They need somebody to rule with an iron fist. So regime change, if you're going to go in there and you're going to do it yourself, well, it really doesn't work. I mean, they really don't want a gringo face in there telling them what to do. That has not worked in the past. So it almost seems like

they have to keep the regime that's there in place. And I mean, at this point, it seems like they'll just keep removing people until they find somebody who will work with them. I mean, because they literally can't get rid of the regime. Because it will, if they are interested in the rare earth minerals, if they are interested in the oil, then you're going to need it to be functional. The society is going to have to be functional. And you need a, you need somebody in there who's willing to crack down. on people who are out of control.

And there are a lot of people who are out of control in those countries. Yes, this is one reason with even Venezuela, if you had that bobblehead Maria Carina Machado, installed, like miraculously installed, it's very likely that the state would lose state capacity instantly. And what would happen is you would have nothing but marauders, gang members, and other non-state actors, paramilitary actors in control of these minds.

and oil fields and the country would be dysfunctional. This is why also with a lot of the leftist arguments about, oh, they're just doing this to, they're promoting Maria Currie and Machado so that they can like nab the resources. First off, you have to have institutional functioning at least some degree of property rights and public order for mineral extraction to begin with. That's like, that's a given. Turning this into like Libya is only good if you're like a transnational drug trafficker

or some element of world jewelry that enjoys these type of, like, illicit activities that they can profit off of. It's not good for, like, in a genuine American grand strategy type of foreign policy that is focused on securing strategic resources for the U.S. It's not like, that's not what you do. You want to actually have a functional state. But if you're governed by a Jewish supremacist's clique, that's nihistic and just wants to turn everything into, like, a Yanon plan where they have, like, warring states, and they use divide and rule and all that. Well, you want chaos, but if you're pretending like this is like a kind of like Teddy Roosevelt style type of geopolitics,

you want to at least have like a functioning state. And the thing is too with a Trump foreign policy, they've kind of been forced into a realist option dealing with this Delci Rodriguez brought in Venezuela because she's actually kind of like a Dong Xiaoping figure in the Shabista establishment. There's a whole meme in Venezuela and Twitter, they're calling her Delci Xiaoping because of the fact that she is willing to move in a more state capitalist direction. For those who are still stuck on 20th century geopolitical analysis, Venezuela over the last five to 10 years has moved towards a more Chinese-Vietnamese model of state capitalism where there's still like a really strong state in terms of. of the commanding heights of the economy, but they have lifted a lot of the currency exchanges.

They're phasing out price controls and turning it into a more like state-dominated market economy. And they're now, and as a result of the Maduro thing, they are willing to play ball in certain sectors of the economy. But that's the thing, too, that if you want, like, if the U.S. wants, functional Latin American countries where they can get resources

whether it's at discounted prices or just normal trade they're going to have to pursue for in policies that at least aim for leaders that can maintain state capacity and Delci Rodriguez in this case

is one not Maria Carina Machado because for all intensive purposes her in her case to even get her empowered, there's going to have to be a lot of military action to do that because she doesn't have the amount of support for ideological reasons. And also her policy agenda of very much like Judeo-liberal capitalism is insanely unpopular in Venezuela to begin with. I mean, this broad is for all intents and purposes of but sought asset as well. So she's just electorally unpopular and all that.

Yeah, we have a comment here saying less threat to Guyana now as well, so they might start offshore drilling there now. I mean, Guyana actually has much cleaner. I've heard it described as basically you're taking 10W30 out of the ground. And I've also heard that there, that Diana may have larger reserves in Venezuela. You know, something that was pointed out to me, yeah, something that was pointed out to me recently was when you see the term proven reserves. That is an OPEC term, and it's usually something that the country, it's basically a, like a propaganda, it's used to try to promote, try to promote business. It's not, proven reserves doesn't mean anything. And the size of reserves is often insanely overinflated to, you know, to draw attention to oneself. Yes, and we should also note, yeah, like the characterization of Venezuelan oil, the characteristics of it, it's just not easy to extract.

It's going to require tens of billions of dollars just to resuscitate that because of the institutional damage that, to Rizmo, the initial stages of it have done, and also the later sanctions against it during Trump's first term. It's going to take billions and then also years to get all that stuff online, where Guyana is just a better option at the moment. And yeah, I've heard the same thing too. It's just that if you want to actually have like a functional oil industry in Venezuela to the benefit of the U.S., you're going to have to promote stability not engage in these regime changes. That's one thing I tell a lot of anti-war left is that these type of things that they're pursuing a D.C. don't necessarily jive with having a stable oil market.

In fact, a lot of companies, they prefer stability, and they actually don't care if there is like a dictatorship. They would be willing to work with a Shavista government, provided that things are stable there. And yeah, they might beef over like the concessions about like the concession arrangements and all that, but they don't want to like turn it into like Libya, like a Libya situation. That's like the exact opposite of what they want. Let me just mention if anybody wants to, anybody in the chat wants to ask questions.

It's hard for me to see the questions because the chat moves. If you go over to entropy, I'm not telling you you have to super chat. But on entropy, I can, you know, the chat is, there's no chat there. Basically, it's just for asking questions. So it would be a lot easier if you just ask questions on entropy. But there was one question here that I spotted that I think is interesting. How many of Maduro's top men are still at the upper levels of government or is that info not clear yet? So they still have Tostado Cabello, the interior minister, and Vladimir Patrino Lopez, the defense minister.

Those two are seen as Maduro loyalist and Cabello in particular, has had an icy relationship with Delci Rodriguez. Cabello may be the next fall, to be honest, if there's any type of court intrigue, because he is technically listed in that indictment against Maduro right now. And that guy could be the next fall. Rodriguez is herself interesting because she's part of a technocratic wing of Chavismo that it is pro Chavista, but they're willing to play ball with the U.S. and Europe and bricks as well they're very self-interested and Rodriguez herself has really major boss bitch energy this is a high agency woman doesn't like being told what to do a lot of the time she actually had in her initial career early stages of her career when under hugo Chavez she had a falling out with him whenever she was like in charge of a lot of like foreign

ministry affairs um it was not really ideological it's like very personality just driven and also a degree of like competency as well. This was when she was like in her mid 30s. And she was in a way exiled and then was rehabilitated when Maduro came into power like almost the exact same year around 2013 to 2014. She could definitely do a purge of people like Cabello who is a veteran of Shavismo. He was with Chavez during his coup attempts in the early 19. 1990s, and he's been one of the biggest enforcers there.

He's a big interior security guy, and he may be the person to watch out for who potentially gets purged. My theory has been that they used an Assad-style strategy with Syria, where they probably bribed several generals, or they cultivated several generals over the years. and they were at least able to convince them like, hey, in this occasion, when we want to snatch Maduro flip here, but, and they probably acquiesced in that case, but they weren't able to flip them far enough to just have like the whole structure disintegrate. And there's also a lot of rumors too. I've talked to many people because even though I haven't lived in Venezuela, like in decades, I still, last time I went was like, over a decade ago. I do know some contacts in like the geopolitics spaces, like professors and academics,

who have told me that there have been intrigues within Chibizmo in the last decade where there has been a conclusion that Maduro was not the guy up to the task now in this era of great power competition. And that you would eventually have to go. go and this was confirmed a few months ago in Miami Herald where Rodriguez and company they were already not only negotiating amongst themselves but also bricks countries like Brazil for example where they're already talking about Madurismo without Maduro but on a

more like extended timetable like 2027 2028 they were already talking about Maduro exiting the picture it's just that the US did not like that timetable they wanted to expedite it. So there's a lot of intersection of interest here where the conclusion is Maduro had to go, but they did it in a much more calibrated manner, if you will. I got a question over on entropy from death. He asked, wasn't her father killed by the radicals the U.S. was propping up? I assume he's talking about the one he took over.

Yeah. So, yeah, she, Delci, Rodriguez's father was part of the socialist league and he was arrested I believe it has to be in the late 1970s I think 76 or 77 I'm not sure about the date this was during the regime the government of Carlos andres Perez the guy who actually nationalized Venezuela's oil industry the guy as part of Action Democratica, Democratic Action, the Social Democratic Party. So Jorge Antonio Rodriguez, that's Delci's father.

He was arrested for the kidnapping of, I believe it was a U.S. businessman. And he was arrested and tortured by the intelligence agency, the D.I.S.IP. And that really got her into radical politics in general. At that time in the 70s in Venezuela, people weren't really into that. It was like a very fringe type of thing being involved in socialist politics because the petro state was already really ingrained in the population. And people were just bought off by petroleum rents and handouts.

So the socialist and communist movements were very much pacified then. But that did have an impact on Rodriguez's worldview and that she always viewed that order. The Accion Democratica and the Christian Democrats, their rivals, there was like a two-party system, a two-party pact in place from 1960 up until 1994. that governed that had an arrangement where they would basically trade power every four years or so and that played a role of the torture and death of her father in her radicalization and Perez funny enough

he he would govern in 19 the late 80s early 90s he basically presided over the neoliberal reforms that collapsed that two-party system hilariously Do me a favor and compare the way Maduro is being treated to the way Juan Orlando Hernandez was treated. Oh, yeah, I mean, Juan Orlando Hernandez is a, is a character all right. He, I mean, this guy was convicted on drug trafficking and it's from Honduras, a former, president of Honduras and he was pardoned by Trump the interesting thing about this guy he is not only like a u.s ally and a very pro israel politician sky in many respects could be argued to be an

Israeli asset because in the early 90s hernandez traveled to Israel to Israel under this program called Mashab. It's the Israeli agency for international development cooperation, I felt it was taken. And he completed this Mashab like enrichment course in 1992, which kick started his diplomatic career. And he's essentially an Israeli asset for all intents and purposes. And when he was president in the,

mid-2010s. He, like, was outspokenly pro-Israel. Like, he spoke in front of, like, the world Jewish Congress. And I have these notes right now where he just said, like, quote, as long as I am president, Honduras will stand behind Israel. And he also, like, throughout his term, made sure to adjust, like, Honduras's voting record at the UN. to in a way that it would abstain or at least abstain or oppose resolutions that were considered hostile to Israeli interests.

And even during the whole move, oh, like by the U.S. to move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Honduras was one of the only countries that sided with Washington and Israel against like the UN vote. to condemn this move. And he did also like a whole assortment of stuff like relocating the full Honduran embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and just issued a bunch of statements with a joint statements with Israeli U.S. officials in the UN to condemn the so-called anti-S. acts. And he was actually rewarded for this behavior. in by certain organizations like the friend of Zion Museum as well and yeah he also he designated Hezbollah as a terrorist organization he followed in the footsteps of

argentina's Mauricio makri who is kind of like a proto-Milay figure in terms of how Zionist he was and just really neoliberal so Juan Orlando Hernandez is very much a guy who has played ball with the Judeo-American axis and is was implicated in drug trafficking activity and was actually convicted in the U.S., but eventually pardoned. And this is the thing too in Latin America now, that it's no longer guys that are just slavish to the U.S., but also guys that are able to play along with world jury that are preferred by the U.S. and will receive slaps on the wrist by the U.S. as well if they aren't able to count how sufficiently to the Panjuda, if you will.

We've heard about the Abraham Accords. I don't know how many people have heard about the Isaac Accords. Can you talk a little bit about what the Isaac Accords are? Yeah, so Abraham and Isaac, like the religious, the ethno-religious symbolism there is quite apparent. But yeah, it's just an expansion of the Abraham Accords, the diplomatic initiatives that were rolled out in 2020 in the Middle East that normalized relations between Israel and various Arab countries such as Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates. Now that logic is being extended to Latin America. And it was rolled out specifically by Javier Milay, who has become the number one Shabos Goy in Latin America, bar none. And these accords consist of just like initiatives that will be. rolled out in a gradual manner with countries like Argentina, obviously, Costa Rica, Panama, and Uruguay.

And then they're going to eventually target other countries like Brazil, Chile, Colombia, and even El Salvador. This is like 20, 28 and beyond from what I've been reading. What their whole goal is to make sure that these countries receive a lot of Israeli investment, cooperate with Israel on military and intelligence sharing and also like diplomatic votes at the UN and specifically to start designating groups like Hamas and has Bala and even as terrorist organizations and also and even trying to combat or alleged in Iranian influence in the region they're just basically trying to get these countries to tow the Judeo-American line and I see these this type of initiative is just one way to make Latin America safe for Jewish supremacy.

And this is the theme I've been going on that the U.S. foreign policy has transitioned from the kind of neo-conservative consensus, neoliberal consensus, are making the world safe for democracy. Now it's just flat out. There is going to make the world safe for Jewish supremacy and Jewish interests, and they don't really care as much about the government per se. Some of these governments, for example, are center-right. Millet's case, you have with very radical libertarian aesthetics to it.

Other of these governments are like really technocratic or even centrist, but as long as they tow that line, they're all right with it. Like, for example, Mardisio, Macribe, this government in Argentina, was more of a generic right-wing government. There's no radical libertarian aesthetics to it. but they it started towing this and it's been a part of policy since the end of the Cold War because countries like Argentina historically actually have had icy relations with Israel and it wasn't until Carlos Menem ironically a man of Syrian Muslim extraction who converted the Catholicism

in 1990s that ushered in neoliberal reforms in Argentina and that slowly softened up the country to become much more susceptible to the machinations of world. jury. And now we have Millet, who is a Judeo-accelerationalist type of presidency. And the Isaac Accords are just the next phase because Argentina is the staging ground. And this is like the next phase to make sure that the region doesn't fall out of line. Because in the last few decades, you have countries, even with Colombia, for example, who has been the most reliable, not only U.S. security partner in South America, but also Israel, too. They're very involved in the military sector there and with the paramilitaries there.

Going off course with Guisavo Petro, he's not as hardcore as the Shabista regime, which has been anti-Zionists from the jump. But they want to make sure that this region from Argentina all the way to Mexico does not go out of line. And that's why they're having a renewed focus here with the Isaac Accords. So people would probably wonder, you know, why, why now, why are they doing this? Why are they accelerating this? But this has been going on for a long time. Why don't you talk a little bit about a guy named Otto Reich? Yes, Otto Reich is a man of Cuban Jewish origin. His father left Europe during World Warwick. World War II, I believe he is of Central European Origins, but he is the mentor of a lot of the, yeah, he's Austrian Jewish origin.

He is the mentor of a lot of Latin American neo-conservatives or just Hawks or Cuba Hawks, like Marco Rubio. And Reich is a contemporary of Elliot Abrams. They were both involved in Iran, Contra, and Otto Reich's whole mission is to topple, obviously, Cuba. That's topple the Cuban regime, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and all other leftist regimes that have dabbled in anti-Zionism or have embraced that. And he's one of these people that wants to make Latin America safe for Judeo-American. primacy. Reich is no longer really that prominent. He's in his 80s now, but his body of work from Iran-Contra to his work in the Bush administration, he's been implicated with the coup of

against Chavez in 2002. His body of work demonstrates this proclivity to always be attacking governments in Latin America that are not only leftist, but also that challenge Israel diplomatically or that forged ties with Iran and other enemies of world jury. He's not a very prominent figure in terms of the public spotlight, but if you have worked in D.C.

In foreign policy circles, or even the libertarian spaces, I remember this too when I used to work in D.C. with groups like students for Liberty and if you were in Latin American Affairs, this guy's name would always pop up because he was one of like the most involved people in terms of plugging people in

to staffing positions and think tanks and writing about Latin American policy. He would routinely consort with the Cato Institute Spanish division, the Heritage Foundation, Atlas Network and all these groups because he's a veteran of DC politics and has his own consulting firm. And he's one of those types that is that determines if this person knows how to tow the DC line and I'll place this person in like an administration. He recruits a lot of this talent. And he also shapes the ideology of a lot of these people like Marco Rubio and similar figures in Florida politics. What is, is there a chance for populism in Latin America? I mean, what you see

Malay, I mean, I guess Malay you can call a populist. The guy who just got elected in Chile, I don't know, you know, he seems to have a pretty good background considering who his father was. So I'm wondering if he's for real or if he'll be the next target. But if you're going to have Spanish populism and you want control, you're going to have to have someone to control it. So, you know, someone to move it in the directions they want. So who's David Hatchewel, Al-Tarras? Yeah. Okay, with Chile, I would be very skeptical because Chile, I lived there for two years,

and I was actually worked in the think tanks seen there. And this cast character, Jose Antonio cast, he was very close to a think tank that I used to work for there, called Fundation for Progresso. And what's happened among the Chilean right now, it's been largely Zionized and co-opted, unfortunately. And the figures there are very much plugged into these world populist networks that are very kosher and friendly to Judeo-American imperialian interests. And unfortunately, it has steeped down to Latin America. and Chile

since post-Pinochet It's actually gone in a much more neoliberal direction Than it went under Pinochet Because there was a phase of the Pinochet regime Where it actually started going more populous That's what I think also led to Pinochet's downfall Because of the fact that He was one of the first victims of the NED

Contrary to Popular Belief Because the government there Started to kind of deviate from the Chicago boy consensus and move more towards a kind of like conservative populism. But post-Pinochet, funny enough, liberals and conservatives in Chile have made the country like more amenable to world jury. And I think this cast character, unfortunately, is probably going to fall down that direction. And this connects to Spain as well.

Yeah, David Hatchwell is a guy, big donor in Spanish politics. He's of Moroccan Jewish extraction. And he came onto the scene in the late 90s once Spain led the, became democratic and started to normalize relations with Israel. Because people tend to forget this as well under the Franco regime. Spain took a pro-Arab posture in the Israeli-Arab struggle and did not have official diplomatic relations with Israel whatsoever. And it was definitely not treated well by world jury.

But once Franco died and Spain transitioned to democracy, that's when the subversion started to begin. And then this guy, Hatchwell, his father and him, basically engaged in a multi-generational project to rehabilitate the Jewish community's image in Spain. Not only that, but also David Hatchwell himself created and co-founded a group called Action and Communication on the Middle East. ACOM, that for all intensive purposes, is a pro-Israel lobby.

And this group has been very involved in propping up the Vox Party, the populist party in Spain, and just turning it into a Zio populist, a kosher populist party. Hatchwell has made it a point to engage in a lot of litigation to stop the BDS movement in Spain. and make sure that Spain just become Zionized and they use the box party as a vehicle because even the really Judeo-liberal establishment that's in charge of Spain right now,

they've actually deviated a lot on the Israel issue. They've done arms embargoes and I've tried decoupling from Israel and that has created an opening on the populist right, the controlled right there, to prop up, to basically infiltrate and subvert the populist right. And they're using that, Hatchwell and Company, have used that type of political vacuum, if you will, to insert themselves in. There was also a Partido Popular that was led by Jose Asnard. who is more about Neo-conservative party

that's kind of blended in with Fox now because that stuff is like Partido Popular, that stuff is just seen as milk toast so they've kind of blended in and have also subverted a lot of Fox too because there is like genuine populist descent in Spain for very legacy reasons and all that but these actors like Fox and Hatchwell

and also like some of these lingering forces in Partido Popular, they're making sure to enter this populist space and just make it safe for Jewish interests. And this is something that's going on. It's very much transnational project. I talk to people all over. They tell me very similar things across the board of all these bad actors happening.

And I think it's safe to say there is some degree of coordination being involved here. How much that's going on? That's up for debate, but it's becoming very clear through my correspondence with people and research of stuff going on, whether it's in Argentina, Spain, or wherever. There is a effort to create dissenting populist movements as like create and subvert them, well, mostly subvert them and turn them into vehicles for Jewish interests in one shape or the other. someone asked earlier um i think it was camera who yeah peter he asked um about have you seen these fires that have been happening in patagonia and they've been cat yeah yeah this was stuff that i've remember hearing about like a decade ago and i used to dismiss it as just like kook stuff

It was just coincidence. But the more I've read about these fires, they generally involve Israeli nationals that are IDF veterans that are on like a sabbatical. And they're just there to supposedly decompress and just go on towards. Because Patagonia is a common tourist location. And these things are happening with a greater occurrence over the last decade. There's a lot of speculation of what's happening here. So the most recent ones started like in January 5th, if I am not mistaken.

And Argentina is a Chauvut province. And they scorched like well over 17,000 like hectares of land. And they generally, this is where Mapuche indigenous people congregate and or live in. Apparently there was a hiker. that filmed two men who were supposed to be Israeli, who were suspected Israeli tourists that ignited like dry grass in a high, like this high risk area. And authorities have allegedly found U.S. like Israeli M26 grenades near a lake in this adjacent area.

And in addition to that, they discovered some accelerants like gasoline. as well this whole this is not an isolated incident this there have been other occurrences of this that have taken place over the last

20 or so years for example in Chile 2011 there was one IDF veteran pulling up his info right now

so there was Roten singer he caused a similar fire where he pled negligence in um torres del uh del pain national park and there've been other similar cases of these fire violations taking place in chile in like 2014 2017 and then also in argentina so these incidents has led to a lot of speculation about the so-called plan on dine. This has been talked about by people in the nationalist and nationalist right in both Chile and Argentina. Especially even Miguel Serrano, the esoteric Hitlerist, has talked about this of a,

of a Zionist plot to create more or less like a sanctuary for Jews in the Patagonia and not so much like a state because well a quasi state if you will because this has roots in the Zionist debates in the 1890s where there were

talks of having at least a settlement may not be like an official state but a settlement in Argentina, the Patagonia, and the Andes region. And there were some attempts at it, but it never really turned into like an obviously an official state. But a lot of people have speculated since the end of World War II, especially amongst national socialists and nationalists, there is a project to eventually settle the area and create it as a good other outpost for Jewish influence.

Some people go as far as to see it as a backup plan for a lot of Israelis because of the situation in Israel. When you look at the constant tension it's in with like the axis of resistance, October 7th, and also the fact that it has just a more low IQ population gaining into growing into, gaining into prominence like the, the Mishrahi, Middle Eastern Jews, and then the ultra-Orthodox types that are not only growing, population but also are on the dole and don't want to serve in the IDF. The state is in a, the Jewish state is very much facing a lot of domestic and external pressures that portends some instability. And if you look at the history of Jewish polities, the curse of the eighth decade and all

that, they're, they're inherently unstable for a number of reasons. and for some for some elements of jewelry they they're looking for a lot of options not just to settle but also to have like save houses and all that and expand their networks and i think argentina especially under milay it's almost ripe territory because he's going through a lot of numerous you know liberal reforms and other measures that make it safe for jewelry and i think these wildfires in a way they're kind these these tourists they're marking their territory for you will. And they're just trying to create more subversive activities. It's being interesting to see if further information is able to come out what was actually going on here. If they're just spontaneous type of events or of some type of coordinated effort. But it's becoming very clear to me, though, when you look at the official diplomatic moves like the Malay administration is doing, the policies they're implementing and also the diplomatic initiatives that they're unveiling, there is a concerted effort that will buy world jury to take interest in Latin America and create various

sanctuaries because I've also noted this to one of the first countries to really recognize Israel and become kind of like a safe haven for really weird Israeli Jewish sex cults and sex trafficking organizations so it's Guatemala like you have like that Lev Tahore cult group It's very active there and even across Central America like Honduras too. And we're seeing these type of things start to pop up. So as you said before, Pete, it's actually nothing new. It's just being revived and accelerated now because of the fact that when you have the U.S. taking interest in Latin America, Israel is going to somehow be involved in that because they're attached to the hip.

The elements of world jury are going to take interest as well. and try to latch on and sneak in through the backdoor to try to carve out any benefits. And I think that you see a lot of elements from criminal entities that do sex trafficking and even drug pushing too, because it has been my working theory that a lot of Israeli involvement in Latin America is related to drug trafficking and building dark money sources to raise funds for world jury and the state of Israel as well. And we've seen it in Colombia with guys like Jair Klein that has worked with Pablo Escobar And it has trained many paramilitary organizations there that work that work in the drug trafficking realm So I think we're seeing a lot of these forces come together You're going to see a much more like renewed and vigorous push in Latin America by them

So let me ask there was a time when you you would speak out against Chavez and Maduro and yeah, you seem to not do that so much anymore. So you became a communist. Is that what it is? You love commies now? Yeah, totally. Yep, I've got at least like a dozen of Chad T-shirts and everything in my closet.

Well, no, my views have become more nuanced. I tend to be more like a third positionist now in the mold of Norberto, Serasoli. He was an Argentine academic and political advisor to Hugo Chavez who he was of the hard right. He actually was in Holocaust revision as circles with Robert Foreson and them and he forged strategic and tactical packs with some elements of the hard left as well in Latin America. But he was all one unifying theme throughout his work was that his geopolitical analysis was centered on the fact that in the West, the true sovereign is world jury.

That's how he viewed his politics, his geopolitical outlook, that the real sovereign was world jury, and to combat that, he advised Latin American governments to build, like, illiberal governments that were dominated by the military, to have a populist, like, national economic policy that was resistance to high finance, and the machinations of like the Jewish supremacist power configuration that dominates the U.S. and the

collective West. He was an advisor to Hugo Chavez initially. They had a falling out in the early odds. He died, I believe, in 2003 or 2004 Sera Soli, but he had a residual impact on the Chavista state. And I have largely adopted those views as well where there has to be a strong national state, like a third positionist state that is able to combat these type of transnational forces

these malign forces and I was able through my research over the years kind of come to that conclusion because before I was very much from like 2007 to 2019 was very much in a operate even in my libertarian phase

and all of that was operating under a post World War II Nuremberg framework. Even as radical as I was, I was still, like, I still had a lot of those residual hangups. That's what prompted me to be very pro-opposition. But as I did more research on this and I've changed my beliefs, started to realize that, but being an anti-Shabista parodying these pro-CIA talking points, you were basically becoming, I was becoming a useful idiot for the Pan-Juda. and that's how I matured a lot in terms of my ideological development and analyzing political facts on the ground.

It's a thing that was pretty hard for me because I had to rethink a lot of things that recognize also acknowledged. I was wrong on a lot of things as well. There was a lot of things that I was just religiously parroting before that took me a while to shake off. but I've grown a lot since then because for people who were acquainted of my work from 2016 to 2019 that's like right about the time of the whole presidential crisis in Venezuela there like I sounded like a standard fair neoliberal I mean I had like libertarian beliefs but I sound sounded like that it was repeating a lot of those talking points but as I started to dig it into people like serasolia and even people like daniel macadams

as well starting to become more influenced by them started to realize that you have to like not only get the facts right and dig deep through different sources and go beyond the acceptable discourse, but also avoid becoming like a useful idiot for these malign forces as well. You have to be have the theoretical, real time politics down. what's interesting is when malay came into power um the first thing he did was he flew to Brooklyn to visit havat headquarters in in the United States um he sent gold to the city of london he did all these things basically to show that um he was very much on the side of Israel and the libertarians still like you know hoppa saw it like right away hoppa is like yeah this guy's this guy's this guy's he's going to sell you out he's going to fuck you over and they started calling

um libertarians and anarcho capitalists tried to calling hoppa a lal cow um and i i felt like a lot like after this happened then you saw people who know what zog is know that we have it occupied government know that we you know we still have an administrative state no one no one is taken out the deep state and they were celebrating this and i was it reminded me of these these libertarians who are watching you know milay just basically give argentina over it's a zag and um because i guess because they've never gotten a win in their life it was like well we have to celebrate this Well, to be honest as well, there's a revealed policy and economic preference there with a lot of libertarians. If you're an economically reductionist person that likes to make money on the stock market and speculative assets and just treat the big red line go up as your animating political compass.

I mean, all power to you, a malaise or guy. Like, he will deliver economic benefits to those type of people, expats or people like in Argentina that play these stock market games. So that's their preference right there. That's the revealed preference that they're showcasing to the world, especially these libertarian types. I actually know some of these people in the Latin American space that I worked with almost more than a decade ago.

Just check their Facebook, Twitter, and all that. They're all jumping for joy from me. because that's that's their mindset their mind their their religion is mamin and milay will deliver in that respect they'll deliver certain economic metrics that are beneficial for the the parasitic classes the financial classes there but ultimately what people have to realize as well in this day and age these type of ideologies whether it's like democratic liberal interventionism boomer conservatism, Reaganism, libertarianism. They're all just permutations of like a very much post-liberal order

that makes Western parties safe spaces for Jewish interests. The difference is that there's a segmented marketing strategy for whether it's like liberals, whether it's for neocons, whether it's for libertarians or whatever. But they all go back into it. So Rubik's Cube. It's just like many different types of Rubik's cubes that organized jewelry throw out the goofy goyum so they could get lost while playing in these

Rubik's Cube games. And that's why people have to ignore this. They have to like, they can't fall for this stuff because you're engaging in very unproductive politics that will lead to basically the civilizational disappearance of many Western policies. And we have to start kind of going beyond the idea.

ideologies of yesterday year, seeing what failed in those ideologies and take the good and kind of use like a Bruce Lee approach and blend it into our own type of ideology to resist these forces. You want to take the good from whatever ideologies for the past and then filter out the bad and turn it into your own type of thing because it's becoming very clear to me some of these people, most of these people I see from across the political spectrum, there are my mindset is very much judiized in some shape or form. And we have to go back to a lot of first principles. We have to dust off certain books as well and reread that.

And also read the practical like memoirs of political figures that have resisted, try resisting and stuff and figure out where they went wrong and what they observed to so that we don't repeat these mistakes or fall into like very basic traps as well. I've heard people say that the reason one of the main. reasons that Venezuela has to, we have to have access to Venezuela is, is that if you're going to go to war with China, you're going to need, you're going to need all the access you can to rare earth minerals and, um, and oil. So what would you say to that? I mean, I don't have like real any interest in going to war with China for, for a start. I have an interest in wanting to decouple from

it and banning Chinese migration. from it because that's just like another way for just mass espionage and also the creation of the same people the same people who want to go to war with china aren't doing anything to get rid of 600 000 students 600 000 chinese citizens who are students here it's actually kind of funny it i was joking with somebody i think it was a few years ago that it's actually more politically acceptable to talk about nuking China than wanting to ban Chinese migration, like doing like a

Chinese Exclusion Act 2.0. It is so bizarre the times we live in. But yeah, I mean, there's I don't want large amounts of Chinese people here for no multiple due to reasons. As is asking for mass corporate espionage, military espionage. Also, even in the best cases you're going to get like a hostile managerial class too because Asians are just more docile in general.

They can easily function as an anti-white managerial class that which the ruling class has become much more aligned with now. They don't trust whites of whatever political stripe to manage affairs, whether it's the pro-Palestinian white liberals or if it's people on the right that are more populous and nationalist leading. There has become a consensus among the Jewish dominator ruling class. they want to import like a new type of managerial class, whether it's from Asia, South Asia, or even parts of Africa too. That's just going to be more docile. That's another reason why I don't want like another of these so-called

skilled migrant groups to come here. But that's where it stops. I don't care for a great power war with China. And I also don't really care much for doing a lot of trade with it. And yeah, but that's the problem as well. that we live under a Jewish supremacist clique that sees like the whole world as its playground. And the thing is, jury does not operate on a nationalist basis, despite what some kosher populists say when they cite Israel as an example of nationalism, is very much an expansionist project

that views the whole world as its playground. and wants to try to make it at least a safe space for jewelry or if they can't do that they want to make it go up in flames and make it turn into dysfunctional rump states which makes it easy for criminal entities and even financial predators to get involved in that and that's why i'm i don't really care for this renewed great power competition because this state is not mine it's not of the european peoples it's going to be used for the benefit of world juries The, so you, you had told me that you had started looking into the whole Paul Singer angle. This person is legitimately one of the most vile people. Yes. To Americans. I mean, there's a town in Nebraska that he has completely destroyed. I mean, he basically economically destroyed just so he could make $90 million, I think, basically put,

put 60 to 70% of the town out of work, destroyed a company I used to do business with. And he is the, if you want to talk about, have you ever heard the term vulture capitalist? Yes. He is the vulture. Yes.

This guy, like, he is probably the embodiment of invade the world, invite the world. ethos of the post-World War II order. This guy not only promotes that stuff, he's also promoting butt banditry,

because he donates to a lot of LGBT causes as well, promotes mass migration to boot. This guy promotes every holy sacrament of the post-World War II civic religion. And yeah, he's a member of tribe if it wasn't obvious. But yes, this guy, Paul Singer, is a piece of work, And he now wants to try to profit as much as possible from the Venezuela crisis because he, his Elliott Investment Management company, well, the subsidiary, I believe it's Amber Energy, was able to acquire Citgo per petroleum, which Petrolos de Venezuela,

the state-owned oil company owns, But he was able to acquire it like at a fire cell discount, like at $5.9 billion when this company is valued at almost like $18 to like $25 billion, according to like Venezuela's estimation. So this guy has acquired that. And here's a thing too. When people talk about the U.S. getting Venezuelan oil, think we got to be a bit more specific. yes, there's something and someone in the U.S. getting the oil. It's not the U.S. state, much less the American people. It's very likely, like in the case of Singer, it's going to be a Jewish-run investment fund.

It's going to get those assets. And that's the thing, too, about the Judeo-Excelerationalist era that we live in. The U.S. foreign policy, the state, the U.S. state, has effectively turned into a private military company for Jewish networks now it is no longer operating under like the premise of making the world safe for democracy or trying to build like say capacity it's engaging in some of the most like naked forms of like strip mining and just taking resources that will are are going to be marshaled and allocated by these consortium of Jewish groups we're going to be on like talking about state craft now we have the

these very shady networks of factions of world jewelry that are managing affairs. And political debates these days are honestly debates between these factions and their chavels-goy frontmen. And that's where the game is going. Because when people talk about politics these days, they're operating under the schoolhouse rock framework of the 20th century, where you have honest debates where you could take politicians' words face value and all that. and that states supposedly work for the interests of people.

Now it's just fully captured to the point where ostensibly anti-establishment candidates are just so thoroughly infiltrated by these ages. Just look at that Soron, Mom, Donny guy in New York City. He has a police commissioner and Jessica Tisch. She is the granddaughter of Lawrence Tisch, who was part of the mega group, that Epstein, that shadowy Epstein network, that Epstein was part of, of, of Jewish billionaires that is

police commissioner that is implementing IDF tactics with NYPD and is also integrating Israeli technology there that is going to very likely be replicated by various municipalities. That's how deep the capture goes where your votes have effectively

become irrelevant and also your politicians are increasingly becoming irrelevant as governments start to do things by executive or bureaucratic fiat now and policies are no longer determined by town hall debates but in in think tanks by very shady think tanks or other groups in closed off forums or there'll be discussed on some panel that's on youtube by some like jewish organization that gets like 20 views on youtube as opposed to like public debates like everything is becoming is turning into

this late stage judeo capitalism where you're lucky to even get scraps and that's where we're at yeah it seems like if you don't have somebody on the inside feeding you information um you're you're not making any money you're not your wealth isn't growing and you're everything's just getting worse you know it's it's really odd people say oh prices aren't going up and everything you know all you have to do is like go to the store. Remember what something cost like two years ago and you're like, oh, I need to pick that up again. And I just have numbers just roll around in my head all the time. I remember numbers really well. And then you go to buy it again now. And you look, oh, the price doubled on that. The price tripled on that. And it's just like, I mean.

even shrinkflation too the the i've been noticing a lot more shrinkflation lately where you'll buy like a specific product the price stays the same but the quantity for given price is lower maybe not markedly lower but it's lower nonetheless and or the quality is worse i've been noticing this with a lot of products where you might get like a $5 burger, but it might be like 800 calories, blah, blah, blah, with a certain amount of protein. But now it's like 400 calories and it's got like insects in it or whatever. It's just lower quality. I've been noticing this a lot of products, a lot of bad customer service. You pay for a service for like $100, but you get like effectively a third world type of quality to it. You're paying Swiss level prices, but

receive Mexican tier service. And it's becoming very prevalent in the U.S. is now that you have like private equity and a lot of capital, a lot of these, I believe financialized institutions take over businesses. So as a result, they're just trying to cut like quality as much as possible. And this is a late stage form of Judeo capitalism where everything gets worse. I remember watching this one video.

I think it goes along along the, lines like the shittification of everything where you're just seeing lower quality across the board obviously higher prices too but you're just seeing like an overall decadence across like the socioeconomic spectrum and it is a sign of the times and I don't think this is going to be very easy to reverse you know someone told me that if you want to avoid a Patel hotel your probably going to pay $200 a night. Go pay $200 a night and tell me even if it is in a Patel hotel, you're getting the kind of service that you see that 10 years ago. It's actually kind of scary too. I was talking to someone the other day, a drinking buddy of mine, that a lot of these

days to have like a 1950s America experience, you're going to, you're basically paying a premium for that that it's becoming everything is getting paywalled effectively where if you want to like live like in a functional society you're going to be paying an arm and a leg and it it's a it is really scary stuff and it's a it's a sign of the epoch too because this does remind me of Latin America minus the social fabric because at least in like a lot of these third world countries there is like a culture, but now we have like an anti-culture, which makes it a lot worse.

But that's where things are and where they're going to continue the head unless there's sufficient pushback. But people have to recognize that things are not the same. And we have to properly identify the problems and then figure out who are the bad actors that are initiating this stuff. So about 10 months ago,

I went, the wife and I went to El Salvador. We stayed in San Salvador for like 10 days. And it was, I mean, probably safer than any blue city in the country. I mean, it was pretty obvious. Do you have any bad news about El Salvador when it comes to the click we've been talking about? I haven't really investigated that. I know that there are some tech companies that Buckelly has worked with,

but he's an interesting figure because he plays footsie with a lot of the BRICS countries as well, like China and them. And it reminds me a lot of Victor Orban in Hungary, where like these small countries, they like to hedge between the U.S. and the emerging great powers. Like you're trying to create a classic Switzerland, like how Switzerland used to be.

Yeah. A lot of the issues, the thing about countries like El Salvador that saves them from being fully subverted is that they're not as on the radar, like say, Argentina or Colombia, because those countries are so much bigger and they're not going to be as

prioritized by the clique for now but they're willing to do a lot of stuff to subvert it. For example, if you had a hypothetical Gavin Newsom administration, they'll post a color revolution in El Salvador, some type of

stuff like that because that's how they operate and in the case of Buckelly, he is an interesting figure because of the fact he's non-ideological and he's willing to entertain a lot of options. Latin American leaders just don't think like that. A lot of them are, uh, tend to be puppets or just out of really house slave mindset or they're looking for a quick buck. That's very typical of many conservative politicians in the region.

All right, man. I really appreciate this. Um, let's what Dawn's saying. She says, um, I subcontract to Australian real estate rents is up 43% since 2019, wages 14% since 2019. My state has experienced high mortgage stress and other states aren't far behind. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what I said about Australia was the Bondi Beach shooting, no Australian perpetrated or got hurt in that. So you're just basically, you're allowing, you're importing conflicts from around the

world when you allow immigration. And I'd add also with Australia from what I've read to is that, and I have a bad feeling, this may be accelerated here. It's largely legal migration, so-called skilled migration, quote-unquote. And that is very common in the Anglo-Sphere from Canada, New England, UK, and Australia. And what this immigration does, apart from the obvious demographic replacement. It's always coincides with massive increases in housing prices, and it priced out tons of working class whites. And we've already had a sneak preview of that Bay Area, Austin, Texas, among other cities.

And yeah, it's not good. And it's all one thing, ultimately. Yeah. All right, Jose. Well, I appreciate you stopping by to, you know, spread some knowledge here. Tell everybody where they can find your work. Yes, I am most active on X slash Twitter at Jose Al Nino. And then also my substack, Jose Nino unfiltered, is go to hoseaalnio.org.

If you want to get my newsletter and also be a part of my live stream, my paid members live stream, which I'll be doing in a few hours where I'll talk about court events and political. political strategies. And my regular works can be found on Headlined USA, where I'm the deputy editor there, and I'm a frequent contributor at the Occidental Observer as well. All right, man. Thank you. I guess we'll be getting together next week for the Thought Crime Syndicate. Talk to you then. Likewise, looking forward to it.