The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1321: The GOP Samson Option Succeeds w/ J. Burden and Stormy Waters

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

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Not much. Enjoying the financial markets. But other than that, not much. as well, happy to be here. Anybody who has a little bit in the financial markets or has some silver coins at home is like enjoying life right now. Jay Burden, what's happening? Not too much. As a resident in Virginia, who is, as the kids say, completely and totally broke, I'm not having a great time.

The last couple weeks have not been good for me. So at least somewhere in the world, you and Stormy are having a good time. Oh god, yeah, poor, you and Eric, I feel terrible. I mean, we have a lot of our, a lot of our guys are in Virginia. And, yeah, I mean, this can't be good. This isn't, this isn't boating well for the future at all. I mean, there, I mean, local, local, um, nullification and maybe getting its first real honest test in Virginia coming up for the next

four to six years however along the governor thing is there well they kind of didn't they like set it up to I mean some of you guys know this because we talk personally but I've been looking into potentially moving there and correct me if I'm wrong Jay but doesn't it kind of look like the setup of like a thousand year Libtar Reich? Yeah pretty much and this is is kind of

neatly ties into the subject of this podcast because effectively what you have is that the GOP is unwilling to make changes right to become a real political force and the Democrats are playing for keeps and so there was sort of speculation for a while in between the election and you know you know, Spanberger actually coming in, which by the way, it turns out I was slandering her. Her maiden name is Davis. So early life check exonerated her. She has other problems, of course. Spirit. Spiritually, though. Yeah. Yeah. But effectively, there was a debate going on as to how serious this woman was going to be. Was she going to govern as a centrist Democrat? You know, this is an important area that we don't want to mess up or is she going to govern like chairman mal and that

effectively seems to be her decision right obviously you know the two a stuff has you know made headlines but also a lot of the changes are serious structural changes to elections to districting to the patronage system effectively designed to turn Virginia into a state like Massachusetts, California, or Illinois, within the span of one election, right? And incidentally, Stormy, when you and I kind of in, you know, in real time came up with this idea of the Republican Samson option, we were talking about just this occurrence, right? What is going on with Virginia? And of course, you and I did that podcast over Thanksgiving, right? it's been a little bit.

I wrote an article about it, you know, over the, you know, next couple weeks, it's been out for a while now. But, uh, that thesis has been borne out, right? It seems to be accurately predicting how things are going. And I just want to take a victory lap because I've been, I've been getting great comments from it, right? Perhaps the funniest is I'm upset that you're right about this because I know we're never going to stop hearing about it for the next four years.

Oh, I don't think so. I think when it comes to victory lapse, you like me will, you know, mature with age. When you get enough of these right, you just don't want to dunk on everybody.

You just want them to stop being fucking stupid. Yeah, so let's go into... You're just going to get more resentful. Yeah, eventually I'll reach sort of a stage like Pete where I'm just got a cold black, part from dealing with libertarians on the internet for a decade.

But in all seriousness, right, that term, the Republican Samson option, I assume everyone is familiar with the actual Samson option, right? Israel's nuclear deterrent, which officially doesn't exist, but if you're here, you're no doubt convinced than it does, named after the character from the book of judges Samson, who, you know, after he is betrayed by his, you know, his girlfriend, he is, you know, he is, you He is bound and chained in the Philistine temple, praise out to God, and then pushes the walls apart, killing himself and hundreds of Philistines.

Obviously, it's sort of become a byword for a murder suicide, right? I can't win, but I'm taking you with me. And so the thesis, and then I'll kick this back to you, Stormy, is effectively this is what the neocons or the establishment right is doing to the Republican Party. They are sabotaging any chance of actually getting anything done, of making real structural changes to the regime in order to maintain their relative level of preeminence on the right. So a couple examples here, right? This is effectively exactly what's happening with the whole woke right part. The right is culturally in the ascendant. You can

you know, listen to any number of people talk about anecdotes of, you know, zoomers at the gym, right? Saying something that you could only find on the Young's reviewer, the Daily Stormer, 15 years ago, has entered popular culture. I mean, down to the point where Agartha, which is, you know, a fairly obscure concept has become a massive meme. Okay, fair enough, everyone making an Agartha edit of, you know, Charlie Kirk and George Floyd, don't actually most likely know what they're talking about. Literally, you just flew back from the UK. And, you know,

dudes on the airplane were calling the airplane food goyslop. Exactly. Right. There's a level of cultural cachet there. And so if you were a genuine right wing movement, you'd want to capitalize on that, surely. But instead, the conservative movement has been pledged into this internal purge. I don't remember if we talked about this stormy, we might have, but it was somewhat

at the same time. The purges at Heritage, right? Eat the Shabbat dinner or else you're out. Oh, you're Catholic? Exactly. You need to be perched. And we've seen a lot of language about effectively purging the youth. The woke right, which I won't stop talking about, is exactly this mechanism, right?

It's a desire to do exactly what was done during the battle between the paleo-conservatives and the neo-conservatives 30 years ago to the sort of serious right, if you will. And again, on first examination, this is baffling. If you were a genuine political force, why would you want to do that? You want to win, especially when we've seen with the Democrats or even towards the Trump administration what the consequences of failure are. You get shot, you get sent to the Hague, you get plunged into a 3,000-year Libtar rake. The consequences for failure are steep. But nonetheless, these people, and the most general use of that word, continue to act in this way. And here comes, right, the Samson option. Effectively, they are going to kill this thing, kill the party, kill the right, rather than allow it to fall under the influence of people they don't like their enemies, a murder suicide. Obviously, this has foreign policy implications. One of the big reasons that they hate figures like Tucker is the fact that he is not a fan of the nation of Israel. That seems to be the dividing line. As far as other kind of decisions like this, I mean, look to candidate selection, right,

when some Earl Sears in my state was a horrible candidate that really anyone could have told you was not going to win. Why don't you make an hand, Jemima had a shot? Exactly, especially in a state where, okay, fair enough, it went for Biden and two elections. Or sorry, it went for the Democrats in the last three, I guess. That doesn't mean they want black ladies driving the car. Also, they had a Republican governor who was massively popular. And we've seen, look to Florida, that you can take a purple-leaning blue state and with a confident and capable Republican leader, turn it into a solid red state.

That is doable. We've seen it done. There was not only no desire to do that, but also a desire to promote a never-Trump anti-Confederate statue female immigrant of color. right seemingly this is inexplicable again look to the promotion of vivac rameshwami a state which oh with trump one handily he is now edging out a loss to some random democrat lady again a very similar situation so it seems to me that this is a deliberate destruction one more point and then i promise i'll kick it back to you stormy or pete i'm not trying to monopolize this or take up all the air in the room, someone once said. Look to MTG, Marley, Marjorie Taylor Green, someone who I don't

particularly like, but she's announced she's out of politics. And initially, that was sort of confusing, right? Okay, she was feuding with President Trump, but there are a lot of people in the Republican Party that can attack Trump from the right and do all right. Thomas Massey is an example, right? I don't happen to particularly like him. We have some friends in common, so I'll grant him that. But he's doing just fine. He's probably going to soar through, you know, hit whatever primary challenges. He seems to be raising a lot of money and doing well. So that's a possibility you can do that.

But why does she leave, right? Okay, yeah, she's feuding with Trump. There were some threats made to her. But let's be honest, every politician has this. Well, to me, it seems as if she's reacting to this same trend line, that there's a big setup, right? To engineer this collapse and then lay the blame at the feet of the woke. right. The idea that, oh, we got too radical. That's what's losing us these elections. We need to return to the, effectively, the conservative movement pre-Maga or pre-Trump, right, the kind of Mitt Romney

types. And it seems to me, and I'm not the only person to say this, Sandbatch is actually the one who suggested this idea to me in a tweet, was effectively MTG is removing herself from the field of play, right? How can you blame the woke right if the woke right isn't there? I don't think that's a silver bullet strategy, but I think it's an, it's an interesting indication that other people are picking up on what you and I are seeing, Stormy, but I've been talking for 10 minutes. I'll kick it to you. Well, I actually evolved my thinking on this. If you view as we're all fans of the good old boys. great podcast.

As Bogbeef describes conservatives, at least in America, as the Washington Generals, right? The people that are there to lose, but to make a good show of it, do you think that the Washington generals go out there trying their hardest, or they go out there knowing that their job is to lose? not just that they're deliberately undermatched, but are actively facilitating the victory of the Globetrotters, to make it look like a real show,

spice it up, k-favit. You know, if you imagine that this thing, the same dynamic, plays out over and over and over again, you're left with no other conclusion that the Washington generals not only know that they're there to lose, but they are there because they are really good at losing. They are willing participants in the game. So only you that think that they're there trying their hardest,

but they're actually there to put on a show. They're actually part of the show. They are part of the Globetrotter show. If you view conservative politics or conservative politicians, and commentators as this. Not that not that they are basically nuking the party

to then blame it on us to then go compete in electoral contest with the Democrats on their policies, not our policies that have subsequently been purged. You say, okay, well, are they,

purging us to run Mark Levin's style political campaigns from here on out because they think that those Mark Levin policies will actually beat Democratic policies when they're compared apples to apples. Do they believe this? I would say the answer is no. No, they don't. After thinking about it a lot further and also basically seeing how the elections in Virginia played out.

It's not so much the fact that Spangenberg won. That was of interest to me. It's what she immediately did once she won. If you noticed, or I don't have to tell you, Jay, because I know you've noticed, for son of a bitch, she has basically changed the electoral infrastructure

to guarantee democratic superiority in that place forever. So if you view the people in control of American politics as apolitical, right, they will fund left, they will fund right. They will back left, they will back right. Right, they don't give a fuck, who's in charge? As long as the checks keep going to Israel, and anti-Semitism slash hate speech stuff gets squads quashed, any criticism of that agenda gets squashed at home here in America, where these people unfortunately choose to live, as opposed to the nation in the Middle East that were constantly required to fund. You don't care who's in office.

You don't care whether it's Joe Biden, right, or Mitt Romney. Because you're set. So the only thing that you really have to worry about is somebody sneaking in. into the Washington generals and actively start playing the game. Right? It's not left versus right and a fight on the right for control of the right. They know that the right wing is culturally ascendant, not their right wing, but us. and as you, you know, elucidated at length in your lovely article about Mr. David French, the thing that they are concerned about is the youth writ large. And the right is largely what our version of the right, the actual right-wing politics, right-wing

energy, is effectively just the cultural and political expression of America's youth, the people that have been fucked over, the hardest. Ain't no luxury communism for us. So, you know that they are gaining power through the Washington generals. So yes, they are going to detonate the Republican Party in order to blame it on the ascendant right. But I think the real plan is not only are they going to purposely lose elections, but they are doing so with the express intent

of having Spangenbergs take that place instead, and then immediately, not just shut, because they don't know if you're them, right? You don't know whether you're going to be successful in purging us, right? Well, you're going to be successful in eradicating our type of politics from conservative, you know, conservatism writ large. That's a risk you are going to be unwilling to take.

So the only way to hedge that risk is to make sure no Republican of any type ever gets in. So not only are you going to basically throw the game with Winston Earl Sears, but you are going to make sure that the person that comes in upon that loss makes it impossible for any other political party to ever get elected. I think they're done with pretending to be left and pretending to be right. The cancer to them is on the right. So they're just going to detonate the right and rule. through the left. I don't think they actually want to rule over the ashes at all. I don't think

they want to be in charge of the conservative party at the end of this. I think this is detonating the right, right? Not just to purge us, but to purge our vehicle entirely. They're basically nuking it from orbit because they don't know whether they're going to be successful in their little mega civil war because the impetus for all of this comes from a place outside of the United States you don't give a fuck because you don't have to live there right these are people that care about some other place and are just using America as the vehicle to care for this other place So if you can care for that other place perfectly fine through Democrat administrations,

then why would you even take the risk? What's most important to you is detonating the right, not so you can take over the right and then fight from the right against the, you know, the wokesters. It's to just detonate the right, nuke all of that political, energy that's there and basically remove the franchise from all of us. We're basically not, like, we're not allowed to play politics in Virginia anymore. They've effectively made it illegal. So it's not only did they throw the election on purpose, right? Put a DEI candidate in there is a refutation for meanies like us. I bet.

you that Spangenberg winning and Spangenberg rolling out things that make it entirely impossible for a Republican to win at least until the time that we're fucking 60 years old will be Joe Biden's age by the time that setup changes which is good enough for them you said in your article in response to David French that it wasn't just cutting out the youth on the right it was cutting out the youth Period. And the right is a reflection of that energy. So why even bother fucking with it? Right? We'll throw the elections and we will rule through the Dems.

And first order business as soon as our Dem person gets elected is to make sure no energy of any type neocon or otherwise comes through the right ever again. I don't think that they plan on being in the house with us when they bring it down because they never were here to begin with. Well, it seems to me the greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince people that national politics was all there was. And it causes people to take their eyes off the ball of what they can control, which is local county and even state politics. So while we're, you know, well, I'm not going to include you guys, but while I'm getting called a panic in and a black pillar and everything because Trump is doing all these amazing things for the country, you lose a state over here. I mean, Virginia. Fuck it.

The Cavaliers. Virginia. You lose that state. You've already lost Minnesota, which was when I was growing up, like all we talked about. Minnesota was, I mean, that's the white estate in the country. And now it's basically Somalia. You know, I assume. California. If they cut off federal. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, California. I mean, the beach boys were a band. I mean, even if they're a CIA op, I don't care about that. But the whole fucking,

the whole subject of the bands matter was California and how fucking awesome it was. California girls. they weren't talking about frigging Somali girls you're watching all of these states fall away Georgia's going to be next yep and while you're going

yay look at what Trump's doing well what's he doing to get to get back these states I think they're doing I think they're going local I think they're taking your advice yeah they're going to do what through the states what they can't do better really

right now. I mean, I've been saying for a while now, I mean, five years, how important local politics is. And it seems like the only people that were listening were our fucking ops. Yeah. Because, I mean, Trump, hey, oh, Greenland, Venezuela. You know, we're going to, we're going to control the hemisphere. You can't even control your own. fucking country. You can't even control the, you know, the state of cavaliers. You can't even

control Minnesota. You can't control California. You can't control, you know, Texas is going to be Texas can look like Ontario in five years. And they're doing that through demographics. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, you know, what Charles Spadiel said on thought crime, He didn't say it on thought crime syndicate. He said it privately, but he's talked about this before, is he used to work for U.S., United States, immigration, and custom service. So when people are coming into the country, he interviews him. He worked there for eight years from 97 to 2005, and he left because he was okaying 17 people and interviewing 17 people a day for eight years to come in. into the country and in all those years, five of them were white. And recently he saw that,

hey, things are happening again. Let me reapply. And he got hired back. And he quit after four days. Why? He's literally nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. And I mean, where I won't say where he's working, you know, the area that he's working, but the area he's working, but the area he's work he he was hired back into you would think the people who are working in that area would be the most ex you know enthusiastic about doing the job that trump says he wants done but now i mean just panicking black pilling you know as virginia i mean if virginia is basically going to be i mean it's been the nuremberg regime but it's the nuremberg regime on steroids now they're about to lose Florida. I don't know if they can lose Florida. I think didn't. Well, I mean, with all the laws that

were passed down there against free speech and you have people getting door knocked for criticizing Israel on the internet. I mean, you know, that's that's not good. No, I don't know if Brian Daniels is going to win, man. I don't think I don't know. He's getting beaten down by you know, that fishback guy, which I don't think he has a chance of winning I but he does have a chance of making sure Byron Day I don't think basically I don't Pete you lived in Florida would you say a vast majority of the non-whites in Florida which there are infinitely more than there are when there were when you were here right literally COVID everyone talks about all like the all the red state or sorry the blue state runaways that came in the population of Florida is tripled but the only new people I see

are fucking South Americans. Like, I don't see these New York runaways. I see very few of them in comparison to the amount of basically, you know, third world immigration that I see here. But the one thing that you probably know about Latin Americans is they're not too fond of black folks. They will probably give, like, you know, you take the most racist guy on the right or the caricature of what leftoids think. that right-wing opinions are on black people.

And those are actual Latin American people's opinions about black people. So you're going to run a black guy for governor in a state that almost all of the non-white votes are Hispanic. Because the GOP doesn't give a shit. They're like, oh, this is a brown, black, whatever. It just lets you know that the non, the person not being white is the actual impetus for his candidacy. Because if it was, you know, if there was any type of strategy behind it, you would never

run a black guy in Florida for exactly the reasons I just outlined, which tells you that it's just more important to them that the guy's not white. And that, you know, anyways. Well, and I think that rationally, right, you would assume just a baseline level of human selfishness and self-preservation. Setting aside any kind of, you know, Republican fantasies about, you know, good governance or whatever, even if you take a very cynical view of politicians, you'd assume, well, if you want to be in charge and, you know, have all of the power and money that comes with that, you would try your best be in charge, right? That's almost so obvious. It's, you know, tautological. But in this instance, we see that there is a higher priority or, in fact, several higher priorities. Obviously, we have, you know, the foreign policy priorities, as we've all talked about at length. But another one is the eternal virtue of diversity, right,

the idea of being able to say the Democrats are the real racists. And apparently, that fleeting high, right, of being able to say, oh, you know, jokes on you, we ran a black person and only 93% of black people voted against us is worth throwing away political power. And Stormy, I know you and I both have been listening a lot to Mark Mitchell of Resmussen because he's talking about this incredible generational divide. Look, housing isn't everything. Owning a home is symbolic of many things more than simply having a place to stay. It's buying. A hundred percent.

And what he's talking about is that there's this massive young men who are uninterested in, you know, effectively like we consider like woke politics who are extremely upset and don't really care how we fix this. whether this is socialism some kind of right-wing authoritarianism a blend if you will of the two simply do not care and when we're we're drawing this out stormy we're drawing out you know all of these states which are in very precarious positions i don't think it's realistic to look at this as an actual three thousand year libtard rike right the idea that either the effectively the country will be plunged into, you know, Letitia James forever. Because there are several things working at the same time, which is one, you have an immense graying of all these institutions, right? Sure, you know, it's not like, you know, Generation X taken

in total is, you know, much to the right of the average boomer and, you know, the demographics do change with each subsequent generation. But fundamentally, like the day of the pillow is nine. And that's a fundamentally destabilizing thing. And so to me, I see a lot of this. And this is something that I've been speaking about. Well, there's your answer to don't you want to stay in power or not. All the people that you're talking about that are in power, supposedly nominally on the right, they're not going to be here much longer. So is that just to hold on to this? Really, what's driving And can we even ascribe that as a motive? Because every boomer right or left.

Always responds with, oh, I'll be long dead by then. Quite accurate. But to be honest, and I wonder if a big part of this, you know, this freak out, this, you know, crackdown is effectively a realization that this is a fundamentally unstable system. And this is a desire to sort of jam through as much as we can to stay in control. I'm curious what you guys think about that just as a hypothesis. It's basically what I said right prior. I think that they are literally just going to rule through the left. And what we see is them destroying the conservative or basically destroying the Republican Party needs to be thought of as they are destroying the Republican Party because they are destroying the Republican Party because they plan to rule.

from the Democrat one. It's a way to get rid of all those deplorable types. You get rid of the MAGA people and you get rid of us. And you basically quarantine them all in a party that now you've basically destroyed all the political impetus behind, which would be a disaster if you planned on staying in the or staying in power ruling through the Republican Party. But if you plan on ruling through the Democrat Party, then I mean, can you think of a better outcome? I think in our previous thesis, we thought that they were going to commit suicide with us, right? That they were staying in the temple as they brought it down. But I think they're just switching to the temple down the street and then bringing down

the temple that we're in. Well, it's definitely a temple. The, it's a simple. It's a, it's exactly what we've always said. As big enemy as the left is the right's always, the quote-unquote right, the Republican Party, the GOP has always been the enemy. And now Donald Trump is the head of the GOP. There's no one, there is no one politically who's coming to save us. If you let Virginia go, if you do nothing to stop Virginia from being taken by the global forces that are taking it now, and I mean, you would think that you would want the areas that are closest to you. I mean, what did Donald Trump do? He put troops on the streets in Washington, D.C.

You would want to, if you think that you're going to have this right-wing, rule, this, you know, this Monroe Doctrine, you'd want to be as protected as possible. You'd want to destroy your enemies locally first. You wouldn't want, you'd want Maryland to be cleaned up. You'd want Virginia to be cleaned up. You'd want any, you know, West Virginia, anything close to there. You'd want, you'd want it to be cleaned up. You'd want it to be on your side. But, you know, when it comes down to it, all these people who are talking about, oh, Monroe Doctrine and we're going, it's our hemisphere, what are you doing to make sure you don't lose in 2028? Because this is still a country where people vote every four years for a new president. and the legislature is not doing anything to pass laws to make things more permanent other than

executive orders, which can be turned over by the next executive. And even if they pass laws, the laws are not being upheld because judges have to do that. And you're not doing anything to get these 60% of the judges in the D.C. district were born in another country. you're not doing anything to get rid of them but sure there are some financial things that are happening and yeah you went to davos and you told them how it was going to be you told them how other countries are going to look and they're going to have to be respectful while at home governors look at you and go fuck you we're going to pass a law so you can't do shit here when i think a And a really, oh, sorry, Pete.

Well, no, but I think that, you know, this is a, if we look at both Trump presidencies as an experiment, an experiment of the hypothesis that this government is reformable. So the first one is like, okay, well, civics class says, you know, you elect a president and they do stuff for you. All right. Test that out. Well, it doesn't work, right? It really doesn't work. They fortify an election, kick him out, try to send him to jail. So, okay, you have another chance.

So we've established, seemingly, that simply, you know, getting a president through the door doesn't do anything. So if we assume that's still possible to reform this thing, what would you do? Well, you know, you'd want some sort of agency that you control, both on the law enforcement and also on the budget side, to go in with a hatchet. right to smash as much of this stuff as possible and largely it seems as if that has been a failure so it looks as if quite literally there is no reforming this gave it a good shot twice right each with a different strategy with you know upgraded levels of intensity right trying harder and so at a certain point right it seems as if there is no answer within this system And to go back to, you know, Mitchell, right?

I saw a post from him today. And it's funny, I send him a tax afterwards because this is something I've experienced as well. Pete, no doubt you've seen the same thing. Where he's saying, you know, the GOP has no idea how upset young people are. Because these young guys are looking at the exact data we've laid out and see, there's no reforming this. This needs to be smashed. This needs to be broken apart. And Stormy, when you mentioned her,

earlier, home ownership is sort of having a stake in society, that's a very real part of it as well. You have a group of people with no stake, nothing to lose, no ability to get in a position where they would have something to lose, and are vast or fast approaching the realization that there's no fixing this. The system as it exists is unfixable by design. The things that we view as bugs are in fact featured. And it will not allow those, you know, bugs to be patched out. It's a phenomenally unstable situation for the system to be in.

Setting aside all the, the kind of, you know, financial management stuff, which is, you know, a conversation for another day. But again, right, this is not a healthy entity. Well, for all the reasons we're laying out, it seems really odd to me that the people who are are buying into, oh, things are getting better, Trump is out there doing things, things are, you know, things are turning around are the people who know that nothing, that the march of history has been going downward for a very long time. When it comes, especially when it comes to the way we think. And it's the guys who are really young who are actually experiencing, you know, the horror of all that who were like, yeah, I mean, he can't, you can't fix this. You got to do something,

you got to do something else. You got to tear it all down. You know, there they go, oh, why are they, why are they reading Franco? Why are they, why are these young guys reading the Austrian painter? Because they realize something that people who, you know, were protesting George W. Bush and the wars, you know, 20 years ago. And then protesting, you know, we're, live through the housing crisis and then live through quantitative easing one, two, and three. And now we're watching all the prices go up. These are the people who should know that, no, you don't fix this. You destroy it.

And trying to fix it is just going to make things worse. You ever have a car that you keep throwing money into? and you keep you fix one thing and the thing behind you make one of my jeep project right now i'm making fun of your jeep project yes are you making fun of the land cruiser stormy sold me i'm i'm also making fun of the jaguar that i used to own where you okay we're all in common you you fix one thing and the thing behind it breaks you fix one thing and the thing behind it breaks you increase the performance of you increase the performance of it and it starts to terror apart, you know, the suspension. You're fixing these things that aren't supposed to be fixed.

This is supposed to be broken. It's supposed to be destroyed and rebuilt. And it seems like the only people who can figure that out are the people who are young and experiencing the worst of it right now and the people who are just like and the people who are just like huffing copium and hopium like 24 seven and the people who are you know panicking you know who use terms like panicking and black pillar and you know and also you know just happened to not um ever counter signal a certain middle eastern um quote unquote democracy um they're either falling for it or they're in on it and getting paid to promote this. And because I don't see how these people who've lived through so much can look at this and go,

oh, yeah, that's how you're going to fix it. You're going to fix it a little bit at a time. Yeah, send ice in. Do you just need to stock up on gold goods and guns or something like that? Yeah. Yeah, you send ice in. ICE is going to deport 50 million people. No, that's not the way 50 million people are going to be deported.

50 million people get deported when you self-deport, when you cause them to self-deport. And there's ways that you do that. And I know that this is getting to be a tired meme, but it's incredible that the only thing this fucking government has never wanted to tax is remittances to another fucking country. Yeah, as someone that has to just stroke a $70,000 tax check next week, I find it very infuriating that all of these economies can have 10% of their total GDP be money siphoned out of my country that I have to subsidize with tax money. So they have to take my money because somebody else gets to deport money out of the country.

Oh, and they get to do it without any tax. The only deportations that seem to be happening are the dollars being deported out of my country to everywhere else. That the deportation administration doesn't really seem to give a fuck about. Every major Fortune 500 company is doing mass layoffs and mass outsourcing. At the same time as it's getting big government contracts and they get to come to the White House. and get a big pat on the back from, you know, the America First guy. You know, every single thing that's all of the, all of the savings, all of the performance that is being chalked up to AI, the layoffs have nothing to do with AI, literally zero.

Every single major company in the Fortune 500 that is supposedly laid off people because of performance of AI has outsourced at least the same amount, in most cases more jobs and the people they laid off here. It's just outsourcing. That's it. So this administration is presiding over the largest outsourcing in the history of fucking globalization. Since January, last January, like, you can't buy a house and the administration is actively sitting by while the largest outsourcing of American jobs happens. So if you can't have a house, now you can't have a job. Why should anyone support this?

President Donald Trump could literally pick up the phone and say, the government will investigate you for antitrust tomorrow. Unless you close down all of your outsourcing and you hire people in America, we don't care how much it costs because however much it costs the fines that the justice department will begin to extract from you will be twice as high do it we take a phone call is he that busy is iran taking up that much of his time Venezuela Greenland whatever actually he could do a conference call with like the top 20 CEOs at once tell 20 people at once and then by the end of the trading day. All the other CEOs will know what the fuck is up. You can do it in one phone call.

The, you know, something I was thinking about today is, is like, I think in, I think deep down, everybody knows that things are really, really bad. And they're choosing, like, who they get their content from by how, like, like how they feel deep down and how they're willing to, how they're willing to just, just be realistic. So like, I think the people who are realistic and know that, you know, the only way to fix this and solve it, you know, listen is by tearing it all down. Listen to myself. Listen to Jay. Listen to, you know, people in our sphere. And I think there's just a lot of people who just can't, they aren't willing, they haven't been willing to accept that fact yet. They don't know that this system, this administrative state, that this can't work anymore.

They're scared. I mean, this could, yeah, and they're very scared. So they go to other people, the people who, you know, are trying to call out the black, you know, call out the black pillars or the people who are saying that, you know, Trump is, you know, you have no idea what Trump's doing behind the scenes and, you know, how. much he's destroying people in Europe. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't think Trump has destroyed, has helped to weaken Europe. I think Jerome Powell has helped to weaken Europe and he didn't have Trump's help for most of the time he was doing that. But now you think that they're like on the same team.

I mean, maybe it's all K-Fabe. His DOJ is investigating Powell as we speak. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, okay, so. That must be a real big problem for the Powell trusters and that are also planned trusters. I can think of a couple of content creators that have boxed themselves into that corner. That may be a little awkward now. Well, if you notice what they've taken to doing is attacking you and me. Mm-hmm.

They're deflecting away from the fact that their worlds are colliding and things are becoming very contradictory in the narratives that they're trying to paint. Which, I mean, that's really what it is. It's a narrative. All of these are. The plan trusters are basically saying, like, you are basically going against the narrative. Right? The, you know, the America is going to, you know, collapse, you know,

you know, the BRICS fanboys, those guys get mad just as much when you go against that other narrative. And really the only people that are just kind of calling balls and strikes, they're the ones kind of catching the heat. Like, we, we wanted to like this administration just as much as anybody else did. Right?

We saw that there were factions, and now we know. know which faction won and which faction lost. Yeah, we were willing to give it a shot. But it was, you know, it's, I've said this recently too. Sam Hyde was right after Charlie Kirk got shot. You got two weeks to do something. You, if Don Lemon is not in a, fuck, in an orange jumpsuit in a few days, you missed on this opportunity of what happened in Minneapolis.

Yep. And really, when it comes. down to it, January 20th or 21st, I can't remember what day, um, inauguration day was in last year. If within two weeks, you didn't arrest pretty much everybody who'd, who'd been in power in the last 12 to 16 years. If you didn't have, if you weren't turning buildings, like the State Department building into condos in D.C. The State Department now is the president and three advisors on Zoom. That's what the State Department should be.

Talking to people in other countries on Zoom. If that didn't happen, you didn't do anything. And it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen a little piece here, a little piece there. That's how far gone this is. You either tear it all down on day one and rebuild it and make sure that none of the people who've touched it in the last 16 to 20 years,

whoever is responsible for this most recently, is like they don't have a bank account anymore? They need to be in a camp. Quite a quanta. something. You're not even serious. You're not, you're, it's over. It's, now it's just, you know, and then, you know, here's one thing the truthsters don't want to talk about, the midterms. I mean, Laura Lumer, Larry Lumer is so upset about the midterm. She's like, why are you, don't even talk about like abortion. You don't want to talk about abortion in a midterm election year.

And to which Buckley Carlson said, Larry's not content with all the dead babies in Gaza. He'd like to kill even more here, effing monster. I mean, it's the midterms are going to be a bloodbath because people are, people don't know the things we know. They go off the instinct. They look at their receipt after they've bought groceries. They look at their savings account. they look at their credit card statements. And they're like, I mean, we know those people over there are monsters, but, you know,

maybe something will change financially if we vote for them. And then what are you going to have? You're going to have two years. He stopped the private equity funds from buying houses, don't you know? Via a tweet, not an executive order. He's not forcing them to divest. Right. So they're still going to own all the ones that they own.

that's if somehow magically the tweet turns into policy, which it hasn't. Well, even if you do sign an executive order, you have to enforce it. I mean, there are immigration laws in this fucking country that they can't enforce. All of the deportations, right, have included the numbers of the people that Border Patrol has turned away at the border. So the big deportation numbers that we've seen the last couple last six months have included the numbers that the administration has turned away at the border. They're counting those as deportations. Why would you do that unless you're trying to hide something? Why are you busting illegal immigrants?

One at a time. Why aren't you going after the employers? Why wouldn't you do that? That's just common sense. Anybody that knows anything about this issue knows that that's the very first thing you'd have to do. You have E-Verify. E-Verify is already on the books.

You can literally flip a switch. You wouldn't even have to go and bust all these employers up themselves. Like, with people, you could do it remotely. E-Verify is on the books. The technology and the legislation already is there. You could turn a switch, and that would be that. But he hasn't. And now he's telling us, well, actually, I take it back.

I actually want the well-behaved illegals to stay here because it would hurt companies. We don't give a fuck about companies. Companies are hurting us. And one thing I do want to say, Pete, is I think that people need to understand. Anybody talking about the midterms or any of that, or any plan, trust, or period. The thing that blew up the plan, even if there ever was one, was the Republicans themselves. Right. So let's say Donald Trump has the best intentions.

He actually wants to do all the things and we're all just wrong about him. Well, he can't because only 10% or 20% of his appointees have been confirmed. It's a year in. it's a year in and only 20% of the people are in their offices right so that means 80% of the government is still the Biden government well who's doing this oh that's actually Republican leaders in the house and in the Senate so they want you to both vote Republican right and you're going to vote for this guy to do all these things and then the party that you just vote for turns around and says, no, we're actually not going to do any of those things.

We think those things would be terrible. So in fact, we're going to do the opposite. You don't get to make any, you don't get to have any of your changes. Thanks for voting for us. It's actual Republican leaders keeping 80% of the government in the hands of Joe Biden appointees. Blocking every, the reason why you don't get to have Matt Gates as Attorney General. is remarkably the same reason. Right? Let's just say, well, then let's say he just does it by executive order.

Because he can't actually fix any of these agencies. He can't. Because his appointments won't get appointed. Oh, well, then what happens? Let's say he does it by executive order. And really, this is to your point about, like, oh, you can change the law, but you can't even enforce it. Okay.

You put out an executive order saying that this agency you don't control, who you don't get to put your people in, has to do X, Y, and Z. Well, now a judge from Zimbabwe who got her citizenship three years ago and never renounced her other citizenship. Ms. Zimbabwe says, no, you don't get to have that either. Okay. So if I vote and the party that I vote for can say, oh, we're not going to do any of those things that you want. And then a foreign or domestic really doesn't matter. Right. Then a judge can say, oh, no.

You don't actually get to have any of those things either. Right. Like, Pete, you may know this. Like I funded a company that was involved in regulatory technology. And a big part of that company got basically put on hold because for the very first time in history, a federal district court judge in Texas passed an injunction for the entire nation, right? So basically passed a nationwide and basically put down a nationwide injunction. So a guy in Texas is now saying he gets to tell everyone in every other state how they get to interact with the federal government. And the Supreme Court struck it down,

said that this is not how things are supposed to work and then set precedent for it. And that was a year before Donald Trump got elected. So all of these judges, basically passing all these injunctions, you know, the ones that we're making fun of right now, this judge or that judge basically gets to, you know, basically gets to stop what the president's doing at a national level. there was already Supreme Court, the Supreme Court already ruled that that's not how shit works,

before Donald Trump even got elected. So not only is it, is the law is already on the books that they refuse to enforce, the judicial precedents are on the books, right? So like the judges are basically going against the Supreme Court in every single one of these, and yet Donald Trump does nothing. The law has been on Donald Trump's side since before he got an, office. So what's the fucking problem? Mr. Burden. Stormy and I have been, uh, been black pilling over here. You know, because, you know, as somebody said on Twitter, you know,

stormy and I are just washed up. So we should just step aside and stop talking. Maybe, uh, maybe burden can come in. Well, you know, let's not dismiss that criticism out of hand. Uh, but in all seriousness, right, I think this comes back to this core question of can this system be reformed? And in my mind, the answer to that is no. We gave it two shots, really good shots. And it's just not possible. So it seems as if we can take that off the mental landscape.

Sure, there's better or worse. There's situations which will be more or less unpleasant for us. but we're not fixing this at the ballot box, right? And sure, we knew that, right? Some of that knew that. Some of us, you know, were more, you know, elitist than others. And we can act very smug about that if we want. But fundamentally, this needs to get fixed.

And if it cannot be fixed within the system, it will be fixed from without. And that comes in two forms. which is either someone from another country comes in and sets up a system, right? You get conquered. What happens to empires, what happens to nations. Or there is a, shall we say, dramatic reorganization. Again, something with a lot of historical precedence to it. And so I think there's this urge to give in to the black pill that nothing ever matters, right?

That this is an unsolvable problem. That's not the case, right? these things can be fixed. Many of these issues are seemingly inconsequential, right? The idea that you should just allow people to take money out of your country and ship it elsewhere. Like, you can just say no to that. Apparently, the system as it exists cannot. And so that's the state of play, right? Trump, Orange Man, isn't going to fix this. Sorry, but it still needs to be fixed. we live here we have a connection to this country and so uh cast your eyes elsewhere i guess i'd like

to talk about that i think debating whether or not they're going to blow up the republican party i think i mean to our own point is we already know the answer to that they blew up the republican party when they didn't affirm us they didn't confirm a single one of the appointees right where they're basically saying like, no, you don't get any of the changes. Senate Republicans are, as of right this very minute, making sure refugees, like those lovely fellows in Minnesota from Somalia, they're making sure that they get a fresh $9 billion. In Leering Center, dollars.

It's just, it wasn't going to work. It wasn't. So what comes next? Right? This is, I think, where the black pill people get it incorrect. And the people that say that we're the black pill people are really just retarded. They don't know anything. They think that politics can only exist as it exists now in front of them.

Right. So I think what would be very, very useful, I think, to, you know, yes, the country, but more importantly in our spheres because of how culturally dominant. it is, is what really has to come out of it, is what comes next. I think we, I mean, we're all fans of Austrian painter. And I think he basically arrived at a similar conclusion that you need a cultural movement. Right. I was having a conversation with a friend.

We were talking about how tired. like European fashion and European culture has gotten because of the not only the importation of people but the exportation of you know cultural property intellectual property right like Dior Chanel these are like these are pieces of France and Parisian cultural capital and And the fact that they're bought by a Chinese private equity firm and basically put out nonstop, you know, slop and have been destroyed. The same thing with Ferrari. Like it's all just basically out, you know, sold off to faceless multinational, either pools of capital or multinational corporations.

And in a previous time, the elites would have rebelled against it. Like if you were to sell your company, if you were to sell a prestigious fashion brand that is representative of like France cultural power to a Chinese conglomerate, you would face social repercussions. Like right now, none of the elites in France like it that Changchong, Chung owns Dior or whatever, or name another Parisian fashion brand, doesn't really matter. But they do not possess the language to express their displeasure in it. There isn't any cultural touchstones where they can say, this is disgusting, and you are

disgusting for participating in it. Fuck you, you don't get to come to our parties anymore. Fuck you, you don't get invited to things anymore. Right. Penalty is that these type of people can understand. And that, you know, kind of hit them where it hurts because they desperately need to basically be part of that club. And the fact that we don't, a mechanism does not exist for our elites to even shame other elites is a big problem. Right?

Right now, most of the... the Parisian rich people think it's fucking gross. But they can't say anything because individualism says if something's yours, you can sell it to whoever you want to. One pool of capital is a good as any other. A Chinese guy is just as good of an owner as a French guy. There's no language for them to say, are you fucking retarded? it. This matters to us specifically, more than it could ever matter to a Chinese person.

A Chinese person is actually incapable of coming up with a dollar amount that such cultural cachet is worth. They're not physically worthy of operating this. And I think that's going to be a hard slog. It will become easier as things get worse, which I think I'm afraid they will. but I think without a mass cultural movement any political change is impossible now and I think Trump actually showed that it's possible right

Donald Trump did the mass cultural movement part of the political oh sorry part of the the two-pointed strategy but he didn't do the elite vanguard side right Hitler says basically this has to be done two things at the same time. It has to be a dedicated vanguard and a mass cultural movement.

And Donald Trump nailed the cultural movement the first time in 2016. But when he got in, and just like now, there was no vanguard of loyalists that was able to just take things over. And he didn't have the cultural cachet he did in 2016. to do the rampant type of changes that Pete is talking about. Right? State Department just needs to be fucking closed. Needs to be shot up, right? Board it off and run off Zoom. And now that he's basically running from, you know, L to L,

the type of political cachet that he has is diminished to a point where he couldn't, if he did suddenly realize this, he lost the political capital to do it. right, he can't start just basically doing the type of moves that we would need him to do for this thing to stay afloat. So I think there needs to be a cultural way that younger people can basically very visibly disengage. Right, they're having it now in the UK, they're starting to realize it, at least the Ministry of Defense is. right they're they're starting to insert into news media that like oh if if if UK citizens were to because of the threat of Russia dodging a draft right and and not and not participating in a draft

would come with extreme extreme penalties it'll be really bad for you if you don't if you don't basically come fight for us white boy because Russia is right around the corner right the British government is legitimately very concerned that since their intent on starting a war that the vast majority of young people will simply laugh as London catches cruise missile after cruise missile and refuses to and they will refuse to participate the reason why Tim Walls didn't call the National Guard to fight back against ice is because at least according to internal communications of the Tim Walls government. They were almost certain that the National Guard would have sided with ice against them.

Mark from Rasmussen is right about the level of dissatisfaction in young people in America. I think we need to give them the language to express it. It'll be ugly. It'll be vulgar. And it'll make the boomers really fucking uncomfortable. But I think unless we give them the ways to communicate it forcefully and assertively, the only other ways that they're going to be able to communicate it will be violently.

And at a point where things have already progressed past a point of no return. So I think that not only do we have to create a cultural environment where this can be expressed we need to do it fucking quickly before 28. Well, I think that the problem is, one of the biggest problems is that, you know, we always said that boomers believe everything they see on TV, the classic, the classic tweet by, what's his name, Corey Mahler, never forget when you're arguing with a leftist or a boomer, you're actually arguing with the TV and TV can't hear you.

and it does not care. So even if the boomer gets away from TV and gets away from like regime media, they actually believe when Trump says, I'm signing this executive order and this is going to be done. But then it can't be done. So they go back to, you know, trusting the plan that, oh, oh, now corporations aren't going to be able to, corporate entities are not going to be able to buy houses. Oh, that's awesome.

That's awesome. Oh, there is no more communism in Venezuela. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, great. You can change a political climate, but you can't change them. You can't change. And it's not only the boomers, it's most people.

You know, which is why really considering, even considering them, is, kind of fool is foolish it's why you need a small organized group that's well funded that makes change because you you can't trust in the average person the average person doesn't have the intellect nor the will to do the things that needs to be done they need to be told what to do they need to be told what to believe and they need to be told that this is the way it's going to be from now on and you know life is going to be better for you if you if we do it this way and if it's told in a way if it's told in a way by people that they you know if it's told in a way that they believe that they're you know they that somehow they believe it well then

Yeah, they'll get out of the way and they'll stop propping up the other thing. They honestly want things to change. The problem is, is they're putting their faith in people who aren't going to change them. And the only question now is, is how, who and how is that going to be changed? And those are answers that at this point are, you know, best discussed. by people off the internet. Well said, Pete. Unfortunately, gents, I'm going to have to leave.

I have an interview very soon. But thank you all so much for having me. Again, Stormy. Pete, it was great talking to you. Talk to you guys later. Well, Jay, do plugs before you leave because that's really important. Fine, fine.

So my primary output is the Jay Burden Show. You can find me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, multiple conversations with both of these guys. You can also find me on the Inquisites. every once in a while. And again, Pete, thank you so much for having me on. Of course. Thank you, Jay. Take care of yourself. See you. All right. Stormy. I was hoping. I was hoping that Mr. Burden would stay around. And I was hoping that he was going to be the one who would drive us into, you know, white pill territory. But it seems that Mr. Burden agrees with us.

Well, I see, I don't necessarily disagree that there's not a big white pill in this. really don't. Oh, no. I mean, it's a what we understand that there is a white pill in this. And we understand that it's not black pilling. It's only black pilling to people who aren't serious people. They're either not serious people. They're not serious thinkers or they're being paid. And they're, if they were to take a different route and to change your mind, it would affect their income. I have done that so many times where, I've changed my mind about something and saw something in a different way and started talking about it. And then watch the subscribers leave of my income go down.

I just don't even think about it anymore. I mean, fuck it. I'm just going to be who I am. And if people don't want to subscribe on sub stack or pick, I don't care. I don't care. I'm just going to say what's on my mind. I'm going to say how I see things. And if I'm wrong about it, mea culpa and I'll, you know, here's the thing people don't understand.

I think you and I want Trump to do and to succeed in the things that he has talked about and the people around him have talked about. We just don't see it happening because he hasn't set up the mechanism and the he hasn't set up the team. He hasn't set up the force that would be needed to do this. We want him to succeed. wanted him to be who we wanted him to be. But now it's, but now it's obvious that, I mean, if they lose the midterms, which they're almost certainly going to, it's going to be two years of impeaching Trump.

Yep. And also, like, historically, the party that comes to power in a presidential election, right, is usually always the party that loses the fucking subsequent midter. Historically, like that, historically, Donald Trump was going to have a rough, rough time in the midterms. Based on like just the electoral history of the last hundred years. Right. So us saying that Donald Trump is likely going to lose the midterms is just historical analysis. It could have been Kamala Harris in the fucking White House, and she would have probably lost the midterms. Because that's usually how it goes.

right so he and then the people and then the people who you know were like who wish kamala harris would have won because oh oh people people were we're starting to check out of the system and now trump's brought him back into the system people weren't checking out of the system i mean nice i mean that's that's a good story bro but they weren't checking out of the system you know and they'd be upset because because republicans were going to we're going to take the midterms, be like, no, no, these same people, they don't understand it's not, it's the fucking system. Yep.

And the problem with the problem with our country versus all the other historicals, right? So like why, let's say a hypothetical organized, you know, coup or regime change, you know, would work in all these other countries is because power is decentralized in usually just the capital city. It's all just, you know, a handful of people and maybe 20 city blocks. But if you could basically blow DC off the face of the map and you would not destroy the U.S. government, you wouldn't destroy the regime. It would just continue.

People, people call people want to talk about revolution all the time. And it's like, first of all, don't be, don't be retarded. Second of all, what's the head of the snake? Yeah, exactly. Where do you even go? It's diffused to a point where it's become synonymous. Like, is power in the building of the Congress? No.

Who's the, what is, who works there? Well, congressmen and senators. Well, are they the ones writing the laws? No, lobbyists do. Well, who tells the lobbyists what to do? Literally every, like every corporate, like, you would have to invade every corporate head, you'd have to seize every corporate headquarters, you know, every state capital.

Like the problem of a federalized system actually means that things like we see in other countries that a lot of people, you know, base their political thinking on, doesn't work here. And this is why I think it has to be a cultural revolution to a really, significant extent, right? Like, it needs to be culturally expressed that a certain subset of the population, white guys below the age of 50, are done. We're out. And not just, you know, hypothetically, but like we're not funding this anymore. Because who funds the system? We do. Who fights in the wars? We do. Who enforces the governance?

We do. It's not a bunch of, you can't H-1B the National Guard. You can't H-1 be the police force, even though some major cities have tried. You just can't. I think until you basically get cultural revolt from, I mean, I wish it wasn't so crude as just white guys under 50. But that's really what it has to be. And I don't think we're actually that far off.

If you look at guys like Tucker and his brother, I mean, even old crusty Steve Bannon is basically saying, like, well, why would I pay taxes to this? Why would I participate in this? Most importantly, why should my kids? Like, I don't want to have my kids living with me at 50 or at 40. And the opposition to this dies more and more every day. Every year, there's 7% less boomers than there was the year before.

So pretty soon it's just going to be guys like, you know, white guys under 50. Until there is an actual racial consciousness. I think we're in big trouble. Because once you have a racial consciousness, electoral politics doesn't matter. There is no more left or right. It is, is this good for white people? Is this bad for white people?

Okay, well, then we're doing this. Oh, but that's socialist. Like, all the political left and right bullshit only matters in a homogenous population. If it's a multiracial population, that you don't have left and right politics anymore. You just have racial politics. That's it. It seems the young guys, like the guys in their 20s and a lot of guys in their 30s.

And actually some of the guys in their 40s I talked to, both men and women, have started thinking about things racially. At a certain number, like we're talking about what you're talking about with the boomers, right? It doesn't matter what you try and tell them, right? They are basically controlled by popular culture. their opinions are just popular cultural opinions that are basically told to them. That is always going to be a large subset of the population at all age groups.

So until you're the one making the culture, you basically have a large subset of the nation being automatones that somebody else has the remote to. Until you have the remote to the automatons, you're not going to have any type of clean political change. You only can have the messy kind. That's not a white pill, you a shit.

Sorry. My bad. Well, I mean, it's, you know, culture is downstream from race. That's what it comes to. Well, in George Floydland, they were just saying, like, we need to awaken black racial consciousness.

So they could put it to work. We need to do the same. same. Yeah, I think more and more people are starting to talk about that. And, you know, it's going to take a leadership class to, you know, an elite class, an elite cadre to really start pushing that forward. It's going to take money. I was listening to young Mr. Burden and Dave the distributist. They have an episode coming out. It's not public yet, but, you know, I subscribe to Mr. Burden, so I've already listened to it. And Dave, Mr. Distributus made a good point.

He said, you know, when all these things were being defunded by USAID, you knew that it wasn't, this wasn't serious because that money should have been earmarked to send to pro-white, pro-American, you know, pro-heritish-American groups so that they could get to work. the right doesn't know how to do patronage the you know i mean the right i mean huh in many cases the right but the left just you know you have leftist like um uh what's the guy from lincoln right 10% of fucking the u.s economy is people that work in NGOs 10% of the u.s workforce read offman yeah read hot read hoffman gives money to anyone anyone who's a revolutionary He funnels money today.

He's one of the biggest enemies to Heritage America that's on the planet right now. We get money to anybody who hates Heritage Americans. Yet there are people with a lot of money on our side who they are, I guess they at this point just are looking for a return on investment. and I don't know what that means. Is that monetary or is it culturally? Because you can start to build a separate culture, the kind of culture you're talking about. If you can build organizations

and if you have kind of money to avoid lawfare, but that's not, I guess nobody's hurting enough yet or they just really don't care or as like you said maybe a lot of these people are just going to go down with a GOP and do what they did do what they did in Virginia yeah and like the strategy of taking down the GOP you know only works if the people you're using the strategy against stay in the GOP right but if everybody I'm talking like out of at a voter level did what Marjorie Taylor Green did like no fuck you people then it doesn't work if you say no it's it's actually you guys that have

have basically made this unviable vehicle you guys can have it I don't think I don't think that we need to do politics the same way that they do. I also I don't even actually think that when it comes to funding, because of the people involved, right, like the fact that it is in all of our best interest, you could probably have just as much impact or more with far less money, but you need some, right? Like basically there, it takes so much more energy and capital to push something, you know, against people's own, self-interest against people's own nature. But when you're going with the current, it takes a lot less.

Right? Like just think of like, let's just, we'll use like elections and campaign dollars, for instance. Right. All campaign dollars do. All campaign donations, all Miriam Edelson does, is she just buys ads. The reason that Republicans take her money is so they have, money to campaign because for a very long time American politics has basically been about who has the most money who is spending the most money the reason why things have been going blue for such a long time is because the Democrats always spent more money Democrat donors always donated more money where does that money go it goes into ads ads for who

The boomers that watch TV, there's less and less of those every day. No internet native person is swayed by ads. Nobody even looks at them. You will do far more damage ratioing Vivek Ramoswamy than he can ever spend campaign dollars. So it's very, very cheap for us to make impacts. And it's very, very expensive for them. So, I mean, the guys in our, we're calling belief system, me if they're not like in our thing.

Guys that are spiritually where we are, we don't need all of your money. We just need a small amount of it from a couple of you. Because nobody in the country actually wants to be replaced. Nobody wants, like, these things are incredibly unpopular. This is why they have to rig the fucking voting laws almost immediately. If you thought a majority of people agree with you,

you wouldn't have to rig shit. I think this is, going to be solving several problems at once. And I don't think any of those problems are solved by plan trusting. I think these candidates and these people in political office need to be told every waking second how unpopular their actions are. I mean, the one thing that the left is really good at is fucking organizing and getting people's face. People on the right just can't be bothered. Yeah, it's funny when we we do episodes like this. or have conversations.

I can always tell the people who have no idea what we're doing. Because the first question, they'll comment, who is this for? Who's this conversation for? Well, obviously, if you're asking that question, it wasn't for you. And the fact that you were expecting a conversation just for you, that's a problem probably not on the team but yeah I mean it's it's gotten to the point where what if people really understand go back and listen to the beginning of this and understand what happened in Virginia this week and how the only way that you can explain it if you're the

GOP is that you did it on purpose. Then you'll understand that there is no, what Donald Trump is doing is not going to solve this problem. You know, Virginia just basically you have a Libraric right now. And from what we heard from people in Virginia politics, not only was this not an accident, but other, well, way more qualified candidates tried to step up and were basically told their political future would be ruined unless they sat down. And that was by GOP leadership.

So it's not an accident that Jamaican Aunt Jemima was the governatorial candidate put on by the Republicans. It wasn't because there was no one else or that she was the lieutenant governor and the most likely successor to Yonkin. The Republican Party apparatus, I don't know whether it was national, I think it was, basically told anybody else that wanted to step, that was trying to step up, far more qualified candidates that their political careers would be crushed if they didn't bow out and shut up. So it's not even a hypothesis, bro. Like, you're spot on when you say that this is 100% deliberate.

And, you know, when does it come to your state? Because that's what you're, that's what you're looking at. That was a red state turned permanent blue in, in what, three years? Yeah. Texas would be next. I mean, and it had problems before. And, you know, but I think that, um, that Jay did a good job on a recent episode of his podcast, I can't remember what, when it was.

saying that the fact that Yonken got elected was kind of probably an accident. It just so happened that you had the Loudoun County stuff and you had there were, it got people to the polls who wouldn't normally have even really cared about a gubernatorial election. But now, I mean, it's, it's exactly where they wanted it to be it's where the regime wanted it to be this regime that's been in charge for 100 years and it is obvious that that's where the GOP wants it to be we've over and over and over again conservatives are not your friend the GOP is not your friend thinking that Donald Trump was going to go in there and change the GOP was ludicrous.

The system needed to be torn down. And really- Where are all his appointees? The one thing that could have signaled, that should have signal that maybe something huge was happening was Doge. and Doge was the first thing that was attacked and abandoned. When that happened, you had to know nothing's changing. Now, you have the people that we talked about earlier who are stuck in this thing where

they're like, you got to trust a plan, bro, Trump's out there. But also Trump is attacking their guy, Jerome Powell. they're looking at all this foreign policy stuff that Trump going to the World Economic Forum and things that are coming out of Trump's mouth and things that are being done internationally. And that's that's that's where their focus is. Their focus is the enemy is that enemy over there. And Trump seems to be attacking that enemy over there, the city of London. Well, let's just use that as an example.

I'm just pulling that out of my ass. Trump's attacking them. Okay, what about Virginia? What about Minnesota? What about California? What about Texas? What about Florida? I mean, this is literally like having a foreign policy of going to war in other countries while your country's burning down.

And he ran on anti-foreign interventionism of any type. He campaigned on ending the year. Ukraine war getting out of NATO. Now he's NATO's friend. And he's Vladimir Putin's enemy or whatever. It doesn't matter. He cares more about Iranian protesters than Americans. Right.

He cares more about Iranian protesters free speech, but not Peter Brimelows. He cares more about Iranian protesters free speech. right than anyone in the state of Florida or all of those kids on campus right that white girl that literally had

the only arrest Pam Bondi's ever made was that poor white girl that yelled at that Zionist in a college right the full force of the U.S. government came down on her I did well no wait a minute

she she arrested two people from the church then and then the obvious Fed who was running the whole thing, the white guy, the white guy who, you know, it looks like a guntuber, you know, who will probably be released because, I mean, it's, I think the guy's just an op. Is Don Lemon in jail? Oh, no, Don Lemon is not going to jail. No, it's not going to happen. Don Lemon is part of the machine. Yep. Like, he hasn't made it safe for, like, it is as illegal, we could say, to have our opinions now as it was under Biden.

Right? Like, I personally, you have two theories. One is that Trump doesn't care and it's all kind of cynical. Right. Or that it's not sensitive. cynical and he actually is in charge. If he is in charge and is not basically being let around by the nose, then the man is too old to understand what time it is. The man holding up all of his appointments in the Senate is 90. Donald Trump is 80. what fucking 80 year old knows about anything going on in this fucking country right now? None. Like, honestly, it's not, it's, it's, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the system is irreformable.

Everyone in it is fucking over 60. How could any of them possibly know what's going on? Right, just like Cory Maller, just like that Corey Maller tweet says, right? Like, oh, well, you can't argue with the boomers and capable of them to understand things. Like they physically can't get it. Okay. Are the boomers in elected office somehow immune from this? If the plan trusting types, the types that say I am an asset for the city of London or I'm an anti-American Chinese agent or whatever.

If they think that this is so in the back. Let me interrupt. You said that. Keep the thought. Keep the thought. You're being accused of being an asset for the city of London. And they say that unironically. But then when you say, well, this person's obviously being paid by Israel and APAC and everything

like that, they're like, why are you talking about, you know, oh, this conspiracy theory, Israel lives rent free in your head. city of London doesn't live rent free in your head. Yeah, how much do I talk about them? Come on. What's more likely? Somebody who makes all of their money from getting people to believe their narratives on the internet

or someone that not only doesn't make any money doing any of this, but has only things to lose. from doing it. Because unlike saying things are the city of London, having my Israel conspiracies live rent-free in my head, well, not just in my head,

they're coming out of my mouth. And that has professional costs and risks, and actual bad things can happen to me. Where the city of London actually doesn't. I asked once, who ever got canceled for criticizing the city of London or talking about the city of London.

Abraham Lincoln. Is that honestly the response you got? That was a real answer. I can look it up. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're going with.

You know, it's interesting. You know how like the left can only think of things in Marvel movies? I actually think a large portion of the people that think that they're engaging in politics from the right, I think they're no different. Right, like, the one, like, the reason why you can't have, you can't help but trust the plan is because there needs to be a good guy,

and he needs to be winning in the end, and everything needs to be okay. Because if Trump fixes everything, the superhero defeats the bad guy, None of the people of, you know, Gotham City or whatever have to do anything, right? The superhero fixed it all. They don't have to do anything. And also, nothing scary is going to happen. There's no hardship to be faced. Nothing is basically asked of them.

Where, like, if you didn't believe in this, you would be a profoundly worried. And you'd be a hell of a lot more solemn about what's coming down the pike because you would know that it's going to require a tremendous amount of sacrifice from you personally. I did that the only thing that's going to fix anything is sacrifice from you personally. These plan trusters are just basically spiritual boomers. Most of them are boomers. They want to be told a nice story and they want to get all the things without having to do anything for it. They just wanted to be taken care of for them.

Well, look how well that's got us. Why would your plan trusting be any different? When have you ever, in the history of the last hundred years, just had everything work out for you without having to do anything for it? When has it ever worked out in history? What, like Donald Trump cares about you personally, the guy? It's truly the deradicalization method. that people warned about, oh, if Donald Trump gets elected, people on the right are going to be

de-radicalized. You know, and that never happens to any of us, even though we prefer we prefer Trump over Harris. But, I mean, these are the people who are actually pushing that and are actually accomplishing it. Look up Operation crust. That's what the Soviets did. The Soviets would have been crushed overnight.

Right? They were incredibly unpopular the Bolsheviks incredibly unpopular and they basically had no support outside of Moscow So how did they how did they bring under heel a place so big as the fucking country of Russia? Occupies eight motherfucking time zones how is this possible because there is a trillion more peasants that were armed most of them armed you had to be armed living out in the fucking Siberian wilderness right how is it that a small amount of Bolsheviks centered in Moscow

took over the whole country well because they first took over the newspapers and they were published story after story after story about this miraculous white army general that was just rolling over the Red Armies. Just victory after victory after victory.

Right? The Red's on the run here. Red's on the run there. Until one day, the Red Army would roll into your village. And you'd be like, wait, how the fuck are you here? You guys are defeated already. You guys have been pushed back everywhere. they created this white army hero, this white army general, and told the story of victory after victory after victory. Because they knew it was the only thing that would keep people at their homes in their seats.

Because why do anything? This Red Army General or this White Army General has got everything all stitched up. He's taken care of all the bad guys for you. Nothing to worry about. You're all set. those poor stupid reds, they're getting clobbered everywhere, left, right, and center.

And you flip from page after page of news article after news article about these victories until one day there's a knock at your door and there's a commissar and with an NKVD attachment. And they're going to line up you and your family and shoot you and roll you into a ditch. and you'll be surprised as fuck because according to the newspaper those guys were finished

mopped up no threat at all people stayed home they didn't think that they were told they didn't have to do anything they had to trust the plan this white army general, taking care of it for you. He's a hero. The bad guys are getting clobbered. Nothing to worry about. The Reds actively put that out. And for two years, this fake story dragged on, this fake hero went on, you know, swinging from victory to victory. The Reds pushed back, hanging on by a thread. And that's how long it took them to stitch up the country. Every single village they went into, surprised as fuck.

How could this be true? How could you be here? How is this possible? You're defeated already. Trust the plan is just Operation Trust. Trust the plan is just Donald Trump instead of that white army general. because they need above all things for you to think that it's all taken care of.

This is why both enemies and friends will promote this bullshit. Right? Because the friendly people are soothed by it. They don't want, like they want this just as much as you want this for someone to come and take care of it all for you. Donald Trump's sorting it all out. Don't worry. the future's not bleak in fact all right it's uh american revival or what is this golden age 2.0

you don't have to worry about any economic turmoil coming your way because you're getting golden age buddy don't worry that's what it is and i could be wrong sure but if i'm wrong then you've won already i don't think you feel like you've won you wouldn't be worried You wouldn't be listening to Pete and I. Yeah. I mean, they know deep down that they haven't won anything and that they're literally at the plan trusting stage where they're operation plan trusting. Yeah, it's yeah. Well, I don't think there's anything else that we're going to say that'll, um, that'll add to this.

So, um, yeah, man. Thank you. Um, Yeah, it seems that... Silver just went over $103 an ounce. It looks like there's no breaks on... Yeah, it looks like there's no breaks on that one. There's no, there's nothing.

Because there's been no resistance past like 70. Right? And now once, like basically above it is all air. If you, once you break to a new high and there's no other basically barriers above it, it shoots up very, very fast. It can also come down very, very fast. But what you needed was a big psychological thing, right? A psychological, like you can have price support lines and you can have psychological support lines.

This is why it was a big deal that Bitcoin broke 100,000, right? The number 100,000 didn't really mean anything, right? There was actually more support at 92,000 or 97,000. And there wasn't 100. But it's psychological once it broke through $100,000, it broke through a support line that existed only in people's heads. All right. Silver passing 100 is the exact same thing. Just going the other direction. So it has a lot more sticking power above 100 than any technical indicator will show.

So I imagine things are going to get really fucking interesting because of the arbitrage that this opens up. What is a, what is silver certificates now? What is, uh, What is SLV at? SLV. Mm-hmm. Is at 92, 91. 92. Okay.

Let's see what it was. $5.78. said a. Silver Shanghai. What is silver Shanghai price right now? Okay. This is going to be, this is actually what I want to see. Okay.

Okay. Shanghai metals market silver price today because Shanghai settles in dollars or sorry settles in physical rather okay about unit oh don't make me do that all right you're going to give it to me in yen per kilogram yen per kilogram yen per dollars per kilogram okay how many real quick bear with me this will be worth it ounces and a kilogram 35.27 got it okay so we have 35 74 by to buy 35.27 yeah It's over 100 on the Shanghai spot. That's interesting.

And silver's at 90? That's interesting. So that means that if you were to buy a silver certificate, let's say. And all you have to do is convert that silver certificate

to physical. you can take that physical walk your ass to Shanghai and get $10 more 15 more right so one silver ounce that is not really a huge motive to do that but if you do a hundred million dollars worth of silver that extra 15% that's 15% that's 15 million just from taking your silver from here to there. If you're doing a billion dollars, that's $150 million for free, just removing your silver from London to Shanghai.

This is gonna, if this spread, this spread already, if this was like a $5 spread, I would say this is a big problem. But a $15 spread, That's enough motivation. Because like if it's a $5 spread, that's only enough motivation for people that are basically mega banks. All right. Like just people moving billions and billions of dollars. At $10, you know, now this is an arbitrage, you know,

window that is large enough for like investment banks. Big guys. But at $15, this is now an opportunity. for any fucking mid-size hedge fund. I mean, I think what? The year-to-date on the NASDAQ is what, 17%, something like that? Or sorry, S&P 500's up, but 17%? Last year, actually what was it?

What did the S&P close that up? Because basically, to parallel this, uh, to, um, S&P's up 57% year-to-date. Uh, what is? Is it, what's the one year? Because yeah, the base is in the last, 796. 7.96.

Oh, wait a minute. Wait a man, I'm sorry, all the year to date is 0.83%. One year, 13%. 13%. Right? So just by moving silver from point A to point B, you make more money. in percentage points than the S&P did all last year.

15%, especially if you borrow money, so you got a billion dollars, you can borrow another billion. Now you just made 30%. So you borrow 2 billion plus your billion, right? Now you're making, what, 15 plus 15, 15, 45%. You see what I mean? a little bit of leverage and moving silver out of London in physical because Shanghai

settles in physical right in order to get those prices right the difference between 105 or whatever it is and 90 you have to actually bring the fucking metal so that's exactly what people are going to start doing not people but investment funds because now it's hugely profitable and it's no risk right because that's just the difference in how much it's worth over here first how much it's over there you don't need an investment thesis you don't need to worry about any counter trade like nothing all you have to do is move this is going to drain the london bullion market so fucking fast why would anybody keep any metal there at all. When just bringing that metal to Shanghai means you get 15% more

for free. I'd be borrowing money to buy more silver just to bring it there. You could make what you made all last year. You can make that in a trip. Right. Like you know, buy your silver or you know, We've got $100 million for this silver bet that I'm going to make. Okay, well, let me borrow another $100 million. Because you're not worried about it. You're just buying the metal, right? You're not actually worried about the price of the metal. You're worried about the spread between this exchange and that exchange.

Because if the price goes down in silver, that just means the price is. goes down correspondingly in Hong Kong, or sorry, in Shanghai. But the spread between the two numbers is going to be the same. Oh, God, this is, this, this is going to accelerate rapidly, especially now that it's over 100. No breaks on this train, man. Well, it's, no breaks.

No breaks on that train. It's not, it's not the this. The silver just keep on going up. That's exciting and all. But it's the people that were stuck on the other side. Right, there's a reason that silver SP, sorry, SLV kept on getting whacked, right? Like it would shoot up and then it would just get whacked and one big red candle down 10% or down 15% something like that. I remember.

That's because there is a very large investment institution that is somehow caught on the other side of this trade. Getting short squeezed. right think of think GameStop with silver bullion instead that's what's happening right now and the fucking Chinese silver market is basically turning that up on steroids

there is a very large financial institution that is getting its fucking face ripped off because they were the ones trying to suppress the price of silver back down I think it's I have my bets on who it is. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's HSBC or Deutsche Bank. My money is on HSBC.

At least that's what I've heard. It's not J.P. Morgan. I mean, anybody that says it's J.P. Morgan that's on the other side of this trade is retarded. JP Morgan controls 95% of the entire precious metals bullion market. It can't get caught out on a, the fucking wrong side of a trade because it makes the market. But HSBC, Hong Kong does not. Like, I don't know, man.

I think in the next two to three months, a lot of fucking things are going to break a lot. Which may be interesting because the economic catalyst may give us what the political catalysts seem to not be able to. The only reason that things are going to keep on trunding along is because nothing else has changed. But if other things start to change rapidly, like, let's say the economic situation, it changes the calculus involved. Right? Like you don't get Hitler without, you know, with just the degeneracy of Weimar,

with just the prostitution, the pornography. You only got Hitler because you had that plus the economic, like, basically economic terror. I don't think just the cultural destruction of America is enough. And I think this is how you solve the other big problem because boomers get to be comfy. But if the finances get fucked, so does that comfort. There is no benefit by staying on the team, staying on the reservation. I think it's the same thing with the UK and Europe.

I don't think, I think there's a lot more pain that has to happen. Let's leave it there and we'll pick it up again soon. Maybe we'll pick it up on the Inquisition on a Monday. Yeah, man. We'll have more info then. Yeah, I'll wait until after you stop recording. Okay. All right.

Take care, man. Later by. Thank you.