The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1328: Praxis and the Future w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

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It is. How do you put this into practice? Praxis. So, Thomas, go ahead. Yeah, this, a friend of ours called me the other day on the phone. I'm not going to name him. I don't think he'd mind if his name was out there. But I obviously, I'm not going to do so with anybody unless I check with him first. But he's an independently wealthy guy. and his notion is he wants to develop something of a political action committee that's dedicated towards getting candidates into local office.

You know, and I told him, well, you know, I know something about political theory and I know something about revolutionary praxis, I think. And to be clear, I'm not advocating people break the law. and because I never do that. And I certainly don't break the law. But his big, and don't get me wrong, his program is correct, the way he's approaching this. Local is all that matters. That's the whole point. And nullification and secession is the way forward.

I mean, that's happening anyway. I'll get in what I mean by that momentarily. His primary concern, though, is how, how do you vet people, basically? He's like, the problem is that the kinds of people are attracted. to political office and particularly people who hold themselves out as being dissident sympathetic. They're almost unfailingly people who came through the pipeline of something like TPUSA, you know, or their nominal independence, particularly if that sells locally. But in reality, you know, they have their own agendas, either because they're ideologically committed to,

imperatives that they're not disclosing or because they've been bought by any number of NGOs or packs and i mean to be clear to i'm not sure people fully understand this the the days when money to people or social register types would run for office or something to do like i'm not saying that's a great system either but that doesn't really happen anymore these guys and these ladies who who decide on a political career it's a way of of making money. And that's why they do it. You know, I mean, obviously they want

some kind of presence in media and things too, and I'm sure they find that gratifying. But you're not dealing with the sons of some rich guy or something. If you get approached by these people, like, hey, I want to be out front. You know, I want to run for

councilmen or older men or something, or state senator. They're doing it because they want money. Okay. And it's that simple. So what I told our friend, you know, I, you've got

to look within your own cadre. And if you don't have a cadre locally, that's what you need to build. It can't be this anonymous thing where it's, hey, I'm shouting out some sort of recruitment drive for people, for strangers who share my political values. You know, let's

all get on this team. You can't do it that way. You know, I come back to the example of Gusty expense a lot. Not because I want people to blow things up or shoot people, obviously. But his all point, I mean, to be clear, we proverbially and metaphorically speaking, we do need a ballot box and armolite strategy, but I don't mean that in terms of illegality. I shouldn't need to say that, but I know there's slow learners and police who watch this stuff. But, you know, what did Spence say when he was behind the walls, he said when young loyalists show up in the Mays,

and he'd say, why are you here? And they'd progress and answer, like, well, you know, I killed a phaenian or I planted a bomb or I'm here because I'm defending my people. And Spencer, he'd say, no, no, no, no, why are you here? Why are you doing these things? You know, because he said that even well-meaning and gain mature men who couldn't, but immature men who couldn't articulate that, their reliability. you know and similarly that's kind of the way you need to approach people within this process which again is you know a ballot box strategy it's you know we're not talking about anything illegal or subversive of due process in fundamental ways but you know that's the best answer

I could give you know what I realized to I was in kind of a weird point of my life when I was out in Baltimore, in Gaithersburg. I mean, I was fortunate because I built a cadre and it developed very spontaneously. So I met these guys and girls who'd invite me and a lady friend of mine out to Harper's Ferry, which is a really beautiful part of the country. It's probably my favorite part of the country

other than the Pacific Northwest. It's just awesome. I mean, I love everything about Virginia. But in any event, my buddy was, he wasn't any I mean he was fairly well off he was a widowed guy in his 50s long time military

veteran and a tradesman of a carpenter he was basically retired but he had this big property and like we'd shoot we'd barbecue he liked having my buddy's wife around and my lady friend around because I think it was kind of a lonely guy and you know we've widowed and stuff so it's a very nice thing man you know and I spent holidays there and stuff

but we started inviting the local deputy sheriff who we'd see driving by because it was basically at this dead end I mean this guy literally in the middle of the woods so this police he'd pull in and then he'd like wave at us and then you know like do a three point turn and pull out so like one time we told the girls like

hey just ask him if he wants to come in and hang out for a minute I mean I realize he can't have a beer or anything but yeah he came in and talked us and we started inviting him back. He was a perfectly nice guy. He was not the kind of guy. He wouldn't have been on the top of my list to go hang out with on a Friday night to like pick up girls or something or go to a ball game, but he was a civilized dude. But the point is we got to know this guy well. And a couple times he came over off duty to shoot with us and he did have some beers. You know, and he knew what we were about, you know. And by the time

I left, this guy had become very insane. He first, well I'd become used to us. I mean, all we're doing was shooting and stuff. They weren't raising hell in a way that would have brought down the ire of the law. But, you know, some stuff as simple as that, you know, is... So had I stayed in Harper's Ferry, you know, the local police, when they'd see me, they would have been like, oh, that's Thomas, you know, so-and-so knows him, you know, and he's okay.

I mean, it's stuff like that, you know. And from there, other things develop. And, you know, in a lot of places, too, like, the groundwork's already here. Like, my guy was talking to, he's in Oklahoma. And, you know, these Mother Jones types, they'll make a big issue out of saying places in Oklahoma. Similarly, in Vidor, Texas, they'll say, oh, this was a sundown town until the 90s. That's actually true. you know and then when they got when one injunctions got levied against them by you know some of these dedicated civil rights NGOs they started doing things locally like just aggressively enforcing speed traps so if some non-local who was causing trouble or somebody was obviously an NGO um functionary any time they anytime they anytime they

cross the border into that jurisdiction, they'd get pulled over and given a $200 ticket for driving four over the speed limit. There's ways you can make people's lives miserable without running a foul of a federal court injunction or the Civil Rights Act and things like that. You know, but, you know, this is happening all around us anyway. I really like, I have no idea.

I think he's still alive. but I don't, he's got to be in his 90s, so I doubt he's still speaking in writing regularly. But Kirkpatrick Sale, he got, he gets unfairly lumped in with libertarians, and that's not accurate. For those who don't know, Kirkpatrick Sale, he wrote a lot about the articles of Confederation from a historical perspective, but he was kind of this old hippie. he wrote a book it was one part expose one part sort of documentary in history on students for democratic society and it was fairly neutral it's interesting because people on the right tend to look at it as being sympathetic and and um tending to acquit the excesses of these sDS creeps people in that sDS camp viewed as a hit piece of sorts it's

it's an independent thinker and around the time of the Bush 43 administration he started collaborating with the guys in the League of the South and he took on a lot of neo secessionist commitments and of course this put him on the shit list of

SPLC and things but I've got a lot of respect for the League of the South guys and especially in the 2000s they were early adapters they had an outsized presence on the internet in the Usenet days and some years beyond. But, you know, Kirkpatrick's sale, I think his last major book was published in 2007.

But he made the point a lot that the Articles of Confederation, yeah, there's aspects of it. Obviously, it are just kind of trivial historical curiosities. But that's not the way to look at it. The way to look at it is that that's really what's normative for America. You know, and even the, what the right wing traditionally was, we talked about Knowlty the other day, because I was fascinated and it remains so by his suggestion that the modern right and left paradigm

was really established by the war between the states. And beyond that, what was the old right? I mean, obviously, the lost cause is the lost cause because secession failed. But that sensibility of forcing the federal apparatus to recognize local autonomy, that really was characteristic of the old right. You know, and the

what really was the tie that binded all these guys, you know, whether it was Murray Rothbard or C-right Mills or Burnham, who in some ways, was a standard bearer of old right principles when those principles were no longer acceptable in beltway circles um harry elmer barns ideologically diverse as these guys were it was hostility to the new deal which was a revolutionary paradigm and it changed everything about the way american life is structured politically, sociologically, economically, that's coming to an end now

because it needed the Cold War to sustain itself. I mean, part of it's just the process of history. A 20th century style labor paradigm, labor and capital paradigm, I think is necessary to conceptually sustain something like that. that managerial apparatus but this this is coming to an end so this idea that it's a fool's errand to talk about nullification or de facto secession people who talk that way aren't really in

the game you know and um so i think that's important that's the way that's the way people need to approach this it's totally different for people in occupied europe or people in the united king or our friends in Australia in New Zealand and what have you. But the American situation, you know, that's the way forward. And that's how people should be oriented anyway. I mean, the end game is posterity of our people and the rebuilding of a communitarian life that's perennial. But that, you know, one hand washes the other proverbially.

what facilitates delification and de facto secession and vice versa you know um and a lot of this is happening sponteen go ahead yeah let me throw this at you because this is what you'll what you'll hear from from our guys and even i mean like our guys they have this argument that as soon as you have de facto succession or any secession at all, any kind of balkanization, the left wins, the commies win, that gives them all the power. Like, and it

almost seems like the argument is, well, if we split up, we, you know, we divide our power. It's like, we're not, where do you think we're united? Who's united? Well, it's also not the way I mean,

the pattern, one needs to emulate, is well first of all there is no there is no army of the left you know like i was talking to our dear friend christian secur you know that was a january 6 prisoner the other day on my pod you know we were talking about the left the sorosync left is is 10 000 miles wide and a quarter centimeter deep there's there's nothing there you know um first of all it's um they can they can they can they can pay people or agitate them into setting fires and throwing bricks through windows and stuff but where is this organic left that has you know broad community support and insists of

you know a cohesive um communitarian structure that acts you know with directive directed purpose and in some spontaneous and organic capacity secondly the whole Look at what people like Sinn Féin IRA did. Did they say, we're going to join the Labor Party and elect the right guys to the House of Commons? And, you know, then we're going to tell the Prime Minister we're mad at him. No, what they did was they took the Catholic Heartlands, places like the Falls Road. you know and it made it essentially set the crown simply couldn't enforce outcomes on the ground like there were periods where the police literally couldn't get in there you know so and then

it begs the question too this isn't 1958 I mean look at what when some when some punk-ass nobody mayor in Portland thumbs his nose of the president says, I'm not going to allow the National Guard here. I mean, what happens? Nothing happens. You know, this idea that, oh, if some, you know, if some back-to-the-land type community got too big, or if some, you know, de facto secessionist community got on the radar of the regime,

like, what are they going to do? Like, send in the 101st Airborne Division and murder everybody? Like, that's not viable anymore. or something like, you know, integration at a little gunpoint that's not viable anymore, that's done. You know, so, I mean, a lot of this is cowardies, but a lot of it, too, I think a lot of these people really don't leave their house. I'm not just trying to be a dick when I say that. I think some of these guys, and it's, you know, I think they go to some office videos a week and the rest of the time they work remotely. They have no idea who their next door neighbors are.

They go to some gym or they don't talk to anybody. Maybe they have a wife or girlfriend, but they don't have any friends in common. You know, I mean, it's these people, their perception, and they live in some geography in nowhere town that no one's actually from. So their whole perception of this is from a perspective of splendid alienation, and they don't understand what's actually happening at ground level. I'm not trying to say like I'm so smart or something, but I live at ground zero of racial and I think Balkanization and I spend half of the year literally on a bus

going all over this country and just chilling with people. You know, and I can disembark anywhere in the continental United States. I probably couldn't Alaska too. Hawaii, I don't know nobody. but I can literally hop off a Greyhound anywhere in this country, shout something out on social media or send a few texts, and within 50 or 100 miles, there'll be friendly people, and in a bind, I could crash on their couch, or they'd be willing to come pick me up and take me to the train station or something. That is incredible, and that would have been unthinkable even 15 years ago. You know, so this stuff's already happening. Like, I realize I'm not talking. I realize I'm not talking. to people who are indoor shit when they're like

okay but you know how do you make this happen it's like it's already happening if you don't realize that you're not in the game you're some guy in the internet just kind of observing shit you know um I mean I guess that that's one of things that separates

the old fighters from the bandwangers I mean but it's especially it is a um you know it's the kind of people that you you invite to do stuff in real life and they're like, well, you're going to dox me.

I'm going to get doxed. If you, if, if, if you, it's like, the secret police are hiding in your toilet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know that it's why, you know, when you talk about a vanguard and when you put a vanguard together, you have to be really suspicious of people calling who are trying to get in a vanguard who are like planned trusters like you know like trump

it was a miracle trump got you know trump didn't get shot in in butler pennsylvania it's a miracle and now he's going to save us and it's like um what what's also i realized too some of these people i was talking to you michael jones the other day on my pod and i was recounting when i went to when we went to American Renaissance, which is not my scene at all. You know, I went there because there's people who I got a lot of love for who were there, and the youngsters wanted me to come,

which is great. You know, that's, I'd go hang out with them guys if we were just, like, sitting around peeling potatoes or something. But probably having some people came up to me, and it's clear they had no idea what I was into or what I write about. they seem to think I was some like mega guy who tells like racial jokes or something

or that I was like some huge Republican or that uh or I don't even know but they were just saying like random goofy stuff to me you know like oh you're you're that guy who's not afraid to see the inward I'm like what are you talking about like who are you know like it uh you know so I mean there's um but that's uh to a lot of these people is it's just kind of like they're It's just kind of like your entertainment hobby. They're not any different than these goofy Redditors who, you know, I mean, admittedly, they're probably more functional than them in day-to-day capacities, but they're just like internet, they're just like internet shut-ins who,

you know, who think that there's some subculture of sharing memes and, like, telling, like, nigger jokes or something. Do you know how many people are like, yeah, I mean, I'd like to talk to Thomas on my show, but, you know, it's like, I don't know how he'd feel about, you know, like, I'm like Italian or something like that. I'm like, Thomas has one enemy. Thomas always talks about the fact that there's only one enemy. If you have, I mean, at this point, if you are looking, if you're looking at anyone other than international jury and Zionism as the enemy, you're

I don't know what the fuck to do with you well that and it's also I mean the big thing most people trash me on is that you know like I I'm polite to non-white people and stuff you know like I mean obviously the people I'm closest with are

you know are people within our own culture but I mean I'm a minority on the ground anyway man like the whole um so I think Michael Jones is right about he doesn't understand stuff like reformed proscenism like at all but uh when he talks about how um on uh at scale like in dissonant spaces it's a bunch uh it's a bunch of catholic and orthodox and moslem guys i mean that's true so it's different in the south but um you know obviously our cadres uh you know a vanguardist cadre so with a minority down there too

even if people are nominally, confessionally related to people like me. But I'm the minority everywhere, man. You know, I'm like the Anglophone prod guy. Am I, the guys in my local are a bunch of Catholic dudes, which is great. I don't feel weird about there or something. But yeah, it's, you know, but this is another example of people not actually following what I do. I mean, not that I'm so important, and they should, but it's, if you think I'm like, if you think I'm like Mr. Nigger Heter man or Mr. Or Mr. like autistic noratist man, it's like, it's obviously never read anything I wrote, you know, and yeah, I don't, I don't have any interest in that.

Let's also, too, I mean, if you're not, if you're not down for your race, there's something wrong with you. It's not, you don't base your entire life around your race. That's weird. And it's something that they're assassinated, alienated people. do. Yeah, it goes out saying I'm proud of white because, you know, if you're not, you're a fucking faggot. But that doesn't mean I go around like organizing my entire life around like, you know, I will not walk on the same side of the street as non-white people because I'm a fucking weirdo. You know what I mean? I like I liked on the Venezuela episode when you said, you know, I was talking about how, you know,

people are like, oh, Maduro's anti-white and you're like, Maduro. And you said Maduro's white. Yeah. That was so perfect because you get to know by if somebody's only response to that episode was, I can't believe he said Maduro's white because Maduro is not white. That's when you know that they're like, they have one concentration. And that concentration takes them right out of the game. Oh, yeah.

Well, it's also too, it's a bunch of immigrant goofies who say that kind of shit. like the purity spiral goofs they're all these like random Bulgarian weirdos or something you know you're like these not the right but you're saying it is straight it's like to me you're a fucking immigrant

go away you know like I it's um you know to be clear I mean like I said to Jones you know ethnos and race are two different things and yeah I believe in America

people on both sides of the ideological divide mischaracterized race a lot but uh if Maduro if Maduro was in an American public high school assuming he wasn't some dude who was like out gang banging or something he'd be viewed as a white ethnic you know as with most of the elites in these Latin American countries frankly you know like I didn't I didn't decide that that's you know it's like uh like does that mean Chris Christie's not white you know or

something like I like I said it's not even if I considered that sort of that sort of broad stroke sensibility to be categorically misguided for historical reasons or whatever. I mean, that's the way

Americans look at it. You know? So if Maduro only spoke English and if he lived in like Terry Hood, Indiana, he'd be white. But because he invokes this kind of perfunctory radical language and he's in

Venezuela that makes him that makes him Hispanic. I okay I mean that's that's still retard think I think I think another one of the things that like upsets people and yeah I'll say I'll say this sometimes on my streams and people bring up like um you know radical Islam and everything like that I'm like I don't look man I'm not going to have the opinion of Islam of a boomer after 9-11. Well, yeah. It's like, look, I read about the history of it. People were like, well, they tried to, they tried to conquest, you know, it was like, they took over Europe.

They took over Spain for 750 years. I'm like, yeah, that's what groups do. That's what like, you know. I'm not hysterical old women, so I don't think that that's like scary and bad. It's like, yeah. I mean, it's like, okay, so. So you're talking about conquest by conquest of a land. Okay, it makes it scary because they did it according to because they also talked about their own religion in doing it.

It's like, well, what's the conquest of this of this country where you put the frigging, the Indian, the Native American, the native to heal? Well, what's that? That's like because what the fuck? Well, also they don't understand one of the few. It's a problematic movie because it's bad history and it's asinine in all kinds of ways. but I do like the scene in Kingdom of Heaven where Sal Hadin meets Baldwin the 4th. You know, everybody respected Sal Hadin.

You know, Baldwin the 4th did. Richard the Lionheart did. He was a great man. You know, and this idea, there was comparable... I don't know how many others of Saracens and the Umiad Caliph, they were very different peoples. but in um this i was idea too that spain was assaulted one day like and it was like the opening of the movie conan or something and then the spanish were enslaved by these like evil moslems for a millennia

that's not how things played out you know and the reconquista took place over centuries but they you know there was distance between peoples as there always is on sectitia grounds and criteria, but it's not like the Spaniards hated the Muslims and vice versa. You know, it's not, it's just not how things shook out. And what's also, too, I mean, in Islam shouldn't even be on your radar in a hostile capacity if you're some American rando. You know, and it's just, it's just ridiculous. Well, it's just a Jewish.

It's just the Zionists and the Jews deflecting away from themselves. It's like this whole thing with, you know, when Thomas Massey goes on Tucker Carlson and says, look, literally everybody has an APAC handler except me and like two other people. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, no, it's Qatar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's also, I mean, if you're going to be a bigot, you know, at least be a bigot in favor of your own people, like going around pretending you're Jewish and deciding I'm going to be a. bigot against people that an ethnic group I'm not part of doesn't like. I mean, there's something that's like

prison bitch level behavior. Like it really is. You know, there's something totally contrived about it. Well, these people, if they don't understand the subject matter either, I guarantee these guys have never, they've never studied Islam, they've never

you know, they've never hung around Islamic scholars. They're never spent time in a mosque. You know, during any sort of interfaith activity. Plus, it's not a singular Islam. You're talking about myriad sex that encompass over a billion human beings of all races.

You know, and if I showed you, there's this Bosniak chick who works at my home away from home, like my lunching cocktail spot. This lady's got coloring like mine. Like, is she not white because she's a, because she's a Muslim? Do you like, stop being white if, you know, your, your ancestors are Bosniaks Sunnis. Have you ever seen the King of Jordan? Yeah.

That's a white guy. Well, yes, Ditto Assad. Yeah. I mean, I think the Alohates are probably a culted Christian, but that's a complicated question. You know, I don't get me wrong. I mean, Islam's in. an oriental faith. I mean, there's anything wrong with that.

It just is. You know, I give, I think in the case of somebody like René Guantant, there's a character type or a psychological type, rather, is probably a better way to describe it. Of Occidental Man, you know, like Lawrence of Arabia is another one, or like the, or like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, sort of trope of the white man who goes native. You know, he's, he's, he's taken in with fascination for the Orient. So he, he quite literally comes to embody their cultural perceptions and things. You know, and you know, and also lived in, he, he lived in, in Islamic society, basically, his whole

little life, you know, I mean, I, he wasn't just, guy went shopping for a religion. And I mean, he was, he was the definition of, um, of a pious Mosul. I mean, he clearly was animated by some sort of spiritual awakening in that direction. I mean, I always hope people come to come back to Christ. And, um, Islam is an incomplete understanding of Logos and Revelation. But, uh, I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and, if, if, if God speaks to a man through Islam,

who am I to say that that's wrong? You know, but, so I can't imagine being a white man and converting to Islam, you know, or an Occidental, Anglophone man, but that, and I mean, culture isn't race. I mean, like we established, like ethnos and race,

or two hundred things, but there are, this idea that there's not white Muslims is ridiculous. Um, also that was not the point as to why he dropped the N. And not just because it's bad theology, but he said, you know, some of those pious moslems he met when he, when he made Hodge were white men. Yeah, go ahead, buddy. Well, something you said there about, um, how God can, God can speak to them through, um, through even this incomplete belief. People, you will hear people say, um, you know, oh, well, that, they'll talk about how before Christ came that God spoke through all the people, through nature,

through many different ways. But then it's like that doesn't exist anymore. It's like God can't reach somebody with the truth through a false faith right now. You know, that's almost because, because, oh, this war happened or these towers got knocked down or, you know, this crew, you know, they had to do this crusade because of this. everything. It's like, do you trust, do you trust that God works or do you not? Do you think he just went to sleep after Christ? Yeah. After Christ? Yeah. Or that worldly ambitions and human affairs can somehow derail God's plan or something. It's ridiculous. Or can derail the cunning of reason

or the Logos itself. No, I mean, don't get me wrong. People have every right to criticize Islam in intelligent capacities. But that's all a thing. These fools, they don't know a thing about the subject matter. It's like, I don't like Islam because of memes and because

some Somali guy is still my bicycle. So that guy is Islam. You know, and it's moronic. You know, and but it's also too, I mean, I think, despite what people claim, I was thinking about this

it seems like a silly example, but it sort of triggered this thought in my mind. That creepy, goofy halftime show by Toilet Paper USA, where they had Kid Rock, who I call Old Guy lame, because he's not a kid who rocks. He's like this fucking old guy who's lame. But he's doing this trashy, churchy-chianity kind of, you know um what's let's praise jesus thing like like the majority of americans don't they don't they don't understand religiosity for reasons like wolfgang smith said and and like marcia eliotti and a lot of the in saikutab and a lot of the a lot of the radical traditionalism

also um discussed there's not there's not There's not the mainstream American culture is not an environment where true religiosity can flourish. So that's why one of the, that's why there's this population. And thankfully, I believe it's dying out. But these, these Ted Cruz type race trader helots, they, there's no actual substance or religious practice or spiritual practice. practice to what these people are into. You could tell them that the Bible tells you how to like repair a Honda Civic. They'd be like, yeah, yeah, I worship the Honda Civic.

They have no idea. They don't care. Like churchianity is a real thing. It's I go to a building and this kind of weird guy gives a motivational speech. And then at the start and the end, we say a prayer. Like that's it. You know, so and I think intrinsic to that, I mean, I know, intrinsic to that, is this sort of instinctive hostility to actual religious practice.

You know, it's not just because they're helots, and the looky box tells them what's correct is abiding Zionist prejudices and things. But it's also, if they see a pious Muslim or an Orthodox guy who takes his faith real seriously, or a Bible Protestant, like me, who cites scripture, they think that that's suss and that oh that guy's too religious you know he's not he's being weird he's probably homophobic or has weird ideas about women or something i mean that that's what's coded into it too so you can tell a lot about people they got this like instinctive hatred of what they think is is Islam in part that's uh you have discussed they're degenerate moderns and their

default setting is to attack people who you know abide something higher than man And there really is to a culture of narcissism. Like main character syndrome is a real thing. Or Player 1 syndrome, I'm old, so I don't know all of these sort of catchphrases and memes. But that is a real thing. You know, and it has been for a minute. Christopher Lash wrote him with dad in the late 70s. So instinctive to the psychology of some of these people is my bullshit and my worldly concerns.

and what I'm into is the center of the universe. And if you don't acknowledge that, if you put something above man and above what I value, that's offensive to me because that diminishes, you know, what I perceive as my own importance. You know, symbolic psychology really animates a lot of what men and women do. That's the reason I cite young a lot. And increase, I've developed more, not less respect,

for them as I've aged. And it's pretty rare because I mean, not because I've got any great insight or anything because I don't, but anybody who is diligent in their studies and their research, if anything, your respect for some of these thinkers diminishes as you develop a more complete understanding of the subject matter and you just develop more mature thought patterns as, you know, like a 50 or 60 year old man or a woman. know um but that's uh i mean there's a lot to take away from young that's valuable but ontologically that's a point of continuing emphasis throughout this entire body of work is that

symbolic psychology looms tremendously large in in the human mind and soul you know um And that explains a lot. That's one of the reasons why pre-rational propaganda appeals to pre-rational impulses are so powerful. I mean, that's why pornography

of all kinds is at base on exercise in propaganda. The whole point is that it is pre-rational in terms of what aspects of mind it stimulates.

But yeah, and I one of the reasons, to bring it back, I'm sorry if that was Scattershot and Rambley, but one of the reasons I think OGC is a positive thing. It's not just because many of my dear friends populated and were instrumental in establishing it,

but it really is a catalyst for building social capital. And from the ranks of those sorts of fraternal organizations and things, that's where one can poach vanguardists, in part. I've got a few different strategies on how I reach out to people and through what. But also, I mean, a lot of people reach out to me, And it's not because I'm handsome and can sing and dance because I can't. And I'm not. Or because I'm so smart.

If you put yourself out there and are receptive to people in a way they perceive a sincere, they'll seek you out. You know, it's not as if this is just some one side of the fair. And like what I was talking about, we're not knocking on glors trying to be the Jehovah's witnesses or their, or some insurance salesman. I was watching Ground Dog Day the other day because it's one of my favorite movies. And I mean, there's so many great scenes in that. But like the Ned Ryerson scenes are my favorite.

He's Ned Ryerson. Like that guy, that guy just embodies like a certain type. But yeah, I don't go ahead. You're going to say something. Sure. I genuinely don't know what your answer is going to be to this, but since we're pissing off a lot of people,

I'll just go for it. Do you think Islam is compatible? Like, if you were constructing a society, would you want Muslims to be a part of it? Yeah, I take the view that Ante Povic did

and that Yohan von Lears did and that Carl Voof did and Francis Yaki did. You know, I don't, I mean, maybe this is easier me too, because again, like, I, my confession, my confessional heritage. And in America, one thing I do agree with you Michael Jones about, in America, your confession is really your ethnos in substantial ways. Not completely obviously.

Your ethnos is a pastiche of identitarian factors, but it's, it's not. It's highly significant. Okay, I mean, maybe this is easier for me to deal with because I'm always the minority, at least for I'm at. You know, Islam is a profound historical force, one of the most profound of the last, you know, 1,500 to 2,000 years. it's a civilizing influence on many there to force savage peoples I mean all

all races of man are fallen that's not some slam on less developed they're more limited people the different races have different strengths and weaknesses there's nothing wrong with it but yeah nobody can explicate to me

why I'm supposed to hate Islam I mean I'm something of an Orientalist I think everybody knows I've got positive esteem for Islam but even if I didn't you know it's an alien faith

it's cool to be ruled by Zionists and in this polyglot social engineering project but it's like the bridge too far is to have like Muslims in your living space like that I don't understand that

but no I plus it's not binary The kinds of people who, the kinds of people I esteem, in terms of their confessional orientation and their ethnos, it's not people are white and reform like me or they're bad. You know, it's like I don't look at like an al-white guy who's racially white or like a Japanese Shindo practitioner. like I do some guy from Haiti who's into voodoo. Okay? Like, that's not the way I look at things.

You know, and like I said, I'd take it more, I'd take it more seriously if these people came in me with that kind of stuff. They're literally just relying on memes and bullshit. Or they've decided to characterize things such as the engineered ethnic cleansing of Europe, occupied Europe, as this entity called Islam that's making this happen or something. You know, it's assonine. So no.

But also, I mean, my, the reason why I cited, um, sale and, uh, the sort of neo-secessionist movement, moving forward, uh, the way life's going to look on the ground in America, it's like, okay, this hood is like 99.9% black. you know this one is a white nationalist coding you know this one is a you know maybe mixed race both certain qualifications everybody's got to be catholic you know maybe over here is a bunch of crazy liberals that you know are don't know what the fuck they're doing in life but if they want to have their little jones town of them you know of middle america or whatever i don't care as long as they don't try to disturb me and as long as uh

you know they they um i don't have to see them or deal with them and no one can force me to interact with them and these days the regime can't really do that i mean all the aspects that facilitated that are going away you know labor is totally changed you don't you don't you don't go work in a factory where 30 000 people work or go work in a massive office complex 60 hours a week anymore. You don't send your kid to public school. If you do, you're an idiot, frankly, and that's child abuse, but also, I mean, that's dying out. Um, policing is dying out. That's really a lot of what underlies the, the decriminalization of weed. And honestly, that's not the whole story. There's other factors that play there too,

but this idea of arresting people for having a bag of weed that's over with you know there's some locales where it's not but that's to my point okay you know here I might not think this is a particularly good thing but you can smoke weed openly and no one's going to do anything about it you know at this in this town in Tennessee if you light up a joint you get arrested and thrown in jail okay well it's their prerogative you know like I told you before there's even instances here no go ahead Yeah, that was one thing that I, like one of the last interviews I ever did with like some libertarian wanted to interview me about like, you know, why I would reject it. And I'm like, because you're forcing, you're like, oh, all this should be legal.

And you're for you don't realize that you're forcing it upon people. Like there are. There are groups of people. There are locations that are going to be like, well, we don't want gambling here. We don't want weed here. And you're telling them, you're. forcing them to say, yeah, we have to have this. You know, it's like, it's, nothing's universalist.

No. Well, no. And it's also, yeah, the whole point, the whole point of this perspective, of the secessionist perspective is you can't make me live next door to like a strip club. You know, you can't make me, you can't say it's illegal for me to put a restrictive covenant on my real estate. you know um it's uh yeah i mean that that's the whole point and it's not i mean it's just not feasible people don't understand either i think some people are starting to this sort of

understanding is being to trickle down a bit just because as the 21st century precedes the rearview mirror what appears in there proverbially looks more and more remote and kind of alien. The 20th century was totally bizarre and totally anomalous

in all kinds of ways. And regimes like the New Dealer regime, these mass experiments and social engineer tyranny like the Soviet Union that stuff will never happen again because it's totally anomalous

and the conditions that gave rise to those modalities were totally anomalous and everything about it look at how bizarre World War I was I was thinking about that the other day because I got the bug to write more fiction about a month ago so I've been working on that intermittently

and I was watching this this sounds incredibly geeky but I was watching this I was watching this old British documentary on the Mark I tank you know that was that that was the first tank it was that monstrosity that first got fielded at the

the sum of her done somebody in the comments I'm sure we'll clarify I'm kind of fascinated by the Great War just because of I mean it was a huge significant conflict but it's how hellish it was but that industrial slaughter and amidst a total mobilization of the infantry element is fascinating and just coated for inevitable bloodbath and I'm in the minority I think the U.S. Army was I think some of the best. forces that ever fielded were the for the for the AEF and I think Pershing's the best general America ever produced but I also think the Vietnam War Army was was

great too in certain respects but point being I'm a I was watching this for a reason because and the I'm writing a it's sort of a the timeline is not linear in Steelstorm because imparted you know it deals with historical epa and things and how the past impacts the future and things like this so you know the timeline hops around but uh what's uh this this this this this this this this this this this steel storm book is called nineteen seventy nine because in substantial measure it tells the story of cyril larch who's the chicago police homicide cop but uh it also um there's a section that deals with the battle of

St. Louis when Billy Wong becomes, he begins his career as a warlord, you know, ultimately becomes the great con after war day. But a vestigial government forces engage, engage Billy Wong's army at the ruins of St. Louis. And it turns into this World War I kind of slug. So I was trying to put myself on that sort of headspace conceptually. But I wasn't trying to be that guy and just like plug me. my shit, but that was the context. Yeah, I gotcha. All right.

I'm going to let you get out of here. I'm going to go have some lunch. Thank you for this. And I will encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack. It's real Thomas 777.7.com and his website, Thomas 777.com. That he is a 7. And you can connect with him and get everything there.

So at both of those places. Again, thank you, Thomas. Appreciate you. Yeah, thank you, buddy.