The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1346: The 'Joe Kent Moment' w/ Karl Dahl

Episode Date: March 22, 2026

77 MinutesPG-13Karl Dahl is an author specializing in the Spanish Civil War and historical "fiction."Karl joins me to talk about the Joe Kent resignation and the information and opinions he's shared since.Faction: With the CrusadersKarl's SubstackKarl's MerchPete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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What's happening, man? Doing great, Pete. Glad to be here. I have to say one of the highlights of my week now is your most, mostly weekly streams of mostly gun autism with Jay Burton. It's fun. Yeah, especially when you guys were just like, like sub tweeting me in some of your comments this week. Teasing a little maybe.

I didn't realize we were talking about you until he started leaning. into the HK details more and I was like, oh, you, I know, I know, all right, I know what I'm being pulled into here. All right. That, it's perfectly fine. Open season on me. I'm fine with it. As long as my friends are doing it.

I don't care if my enemy to do it either. Pete, a point in your favor, it means, uh, you're not as poor as I am. So according to internet lore, right? well h and k doesn't have anything in 32 so that's what uh hk4 and hk7k3 well i mean but but they haven't been made in 45 years where can you find them i know it's like i was just it you know i have a p7 but um yeah the i was just at a show where someone had a p7 m8 and um i mean it was almost in brand new condition and there And I'm like, yeah, I'm not buying.

I'm not buying another one. But if it would have been an M13, have you ever fired a P7M10, the 40-Cal iteration? No, no, I think that's sacrilegious, but it's awful. It's, well, let me, let me put it this way. The gun is still great other than you have all this extra slide mass, like over the bore. And it's, yeah, it's, it's terrible. It's awful.

Well, I mean, the great thing about the P7 is in 9mm is it's very flat shooting with the fixed barrel and everything. The last thing you've ever heard associated with a 40 caliber is flat shooting. Oh, yeah. It's like one of the snappiest cartridges because it's high pressure and it's just a little too much for that size of gun. You know Jim Cirillo? Are you aware of Jim Cirillo? No. He was, you should check it out.

You would dig Jim Cirillo being a New Yorker. Or I should say born and bread, right? He was a, he was on the New York Steakout Squad in the 70s, where their job was to just set up in the stores that blacks were robbing and, you know, butchering people constantly. And then just shoot it out. and I think the very first stakeout he did with that squad, he got in a shootout. And so he is a very, he was a very experienced gunfighter. He was also a competitive shooter doing like, what do they call that police? What's, what, PPC or whatever, it's that police oriented practical shooting basically.

and did most of his work with like a Model 10, 38 special, like loaded with like wad cutters and experimenting with lots of stuff, but also did a lot of work with M1 Carbines. And his opinion was that the 40 Smith and Wesson needed to be in the next level of guns. So he got a Glock 20 and got a conversion, barrel to 40 Smith and Wesson and would shoot that out of a Glock 20 to make it a pleasant experience. It seems kind of like, seems kind of crazy to the average person. But, you know, I don't know the point of that story other than to talk about Jim Cirillo,

who's awesome. The insane part of that is I think it's 10 millimeter is more flat shooting than a 40. I agree. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I promise everyone, this is in April Fool's. You're going to look, you looked at the title.

This is who we're going to talk about. We just, Carl and I cannot get together without talking about guns for at least five minutes. So we have to dive into the P7K3s and the HK4 someday, but not. Today is not the day. All right. Yeah, HK4. You see him on Gunberg, all that son of this. All right.

All right. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so Joe Kent. Yeah, man. I mean, that's, that's pretty high profile positions to step down and step down from, due to ideological differences, wouldn't you say? Yeah, and it also points to a trend of true believers who joined the, now, I can't. I can't gaze into a crystal ball and see all the details. You have Dan Bungino or however you say his name. We just say vagina. Yes.

Who's Italian, wink, wink. Anyway. That's such an insult to Italians. He's gone. And it's like, what is he? I don't know. Like, what was his job actually? It was mostly like getting some.

component of Maga in there and I don't think he was ever doing anything. Other than that one great, there's that great moment that you and I talked about right at the very beginning of this administration where Vagina and Cash, Cashap Patel were sitting there looking like they had seen ghosts or like seen pictures of them doing things they shouldn't be doing with guns pointed at them. Anyway, it seems very different with Joe Kent, right? But it also seems like an ideologue who came to do a job, who was prevented from doing the job, who bailed before the backlash against the Trump administration could catch him

up in it. And we'll get to why I think that is, we can talk about that in a bit. But I wanted to talk about some of the things that he actually said. And obviously, he refers to Israeli power over the United States government a couple times in there. Even going so far as to say that Israel basically lied us into the Iraq war. Yes, which was huge. Yeah. All the wars that he participated in were fake wars.

the war that killed his wife was a fake war, you know, caused by, caused by Israel. Big stuff. Yeah. You know, and especially if you understand what was going on in Syria and how now you're, you're siding with the people who you were fighting against, not just, you know, not too long before. And if you understand greater, the greater Israel. project, you have an understanding as to why you would, you kept seeing redirection after redirection.

Yes. They even called one, they even called one of it, one of the moves, the redirection. Yes. Yeah. And the, the interesting thing also is that continue, he, his experience forces him to, or compels him, I should say, to continue. to speak about the Syria situation, which people forget about all the time. He talked in a very detailed way. I was almost surprised where he essentially said, you know, Iran was fighting against ISIS.

And I mean, I wonder how many people that didn't know that caught that and are in it blows their mind that, you know, because for a long time, we were supporting ISIS, you know, through back channels. And then we ended up actually fighting them when it was pretty much over already, but Iran had been fighting them. And the reason he pointed that out obviously is, one, it's true, but also to get people's minds working about what the situation actually is in the Middle East and that Iran was fighting against. the main thing is Iran fights against whoever comes against them. And in that case, it's, you know, Israel and their proxies. And a lot of times the United States is an Israeli proxy. And just him keeping, keeping that point being something that he was continually bringing up, you know, in an appropriate fashion that wouldn't blow people's minds.

But yeah, just just staggering stuff to to see from a mainstream figure. Well, I mean, he clearly says that this was done, that the Iran attack was done for Israel, was done for Israel. I mean, sure, ever since this happened, what is, what are we going on 17 days, 16, 18 days? Something like that, yeah. You've already heard alternate theories about how. This is about China. This is about taking control, wrestling control away from oil production going through the

Strait of Hormoos and sending it somewhere else. So all the cope. Yeah. You know, that people are, people have bought into whether they're doing it out of some kind of misplaced loyalty or they're getting paid to. But he clearly says that, well, okay, so I don't remember if he laid this out in the Tucker interview, but he did an interview, Scott Horton dropped an interview with him today. Which you heard and I happen yet.

Yes, which I heard, you haven't. And he says that he's of the opinion that Israel took out Khomeini because they knew, Khomeini was anti-nuke. He didn't want nukes, had said over and over again, we don't want nukes. If he enriched any uranium, it was just as a bargaining chip. And he says, Israel took him out knowing that he would be replaced by somebody who wasn't anti-nuk. Thereby, he can get, thereby you have to fight the regime and change war that Israel wants.

Yeah, he alluded to that with. Tucker, but not in quite as much detail, I think. More in a roundabout way. So it sounds like he kind of refined his talking point and made it a little more focused in the meantime. But yeah, it's, it's so obvious. And to hear him explain it is fantastic. Now, it also puts the other people in the administration in a tough spot,

especially like Tulsi Gabbard, who, you know, know, is obviously aligned with him who probably thinks that she can do something. But, um, you know, Joe Kent was essentially powerless to do what he wanted to do. Um, you know, other than just doing exactly what he was told, which he wasn't, he wasn't there to just be a lap dog, which is great. So, um, I mean, what I find astonishing is that the Israelis and, um, uh, Marco Rubio explained this already. And then someone else with Rubio explained. I'm trying to think of who that was, but Mike Johnson.

Yes, thank you. Mike Johnson. They, they just told us exactly what it was like without even thinking about it, uh, immediately. And, uh, Trump essentially did the same thing too. He was like, well, they were going to go. So we had to go. Um, and so for them to pivot two weeks in is hilarious and try. to again, to your point, find all these copes.

And it's like, if those copes were real and they were part of the, a strategic calculus, as if there's a strategic calculus, it was obviously a panicked reaction because they were going to go for it anyway. You know, they were just completely behind the eight ball. These copes, we would have had these copes be part of the official story a long time ago. Like if they were going to seed the ground, I almost feel like it was deliberate. And people, you know, you and I are old enough that we don't think super highly of Marco Rubio, right? I think that's fair for me to say.

Yeah. But we both knew that Rubio is the guy if you're going to pivot to the Western Hemisphere. Yes, he has a history of being an obsequious lapdog of the neocons, but that's not his interest. His interest isn't the Middle East. Like he doesn't give a fuck. He wants to focus on the Western Hemisphere that he's obsessed with. And so, you know, that seemed like the move. And for him to just come right out and tell everyone that we did it because of our masters in,

you know, a Middle Eastern democracy, we're going. And so we had to do it too so that we didn't get caught on our back foot. But that's crazy. And it feels like to me, you know, it feels deliberate on his part, whether or not it was like a strategy in the way that like Joe Kent's tell all is, right? Like a political calculus. Well, I can't get past the fact that he's basically owned by Larry Ellison. He was brought up in politics by Zionist. Jews. So, yeah, I mean, there could be more there. There's always more there. They're always

scheming and looking at other places. I just think that this Iran thing, you know, being the seventh on the Wesley Clark list is kind of hard to avoid right now. Oh, absolutely. If they're looking at regime change, I mean, we're not talking, we're not talking about like in and out. in, we're not talking about a 17-day war. We're talking about something that's going to take a very long time because the topography of Iran is even worse than what people keep always compare everything to Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it's much worse.

Much worse. Yeah, because Vietnam is essentially a coastal plain, uh, that goes into foothills and then a mountain chain that's the border, uh, for, most of the country, whereas Iran is just like rows of mountain walls, essentially. And here's the thing, Pete, I don't think that the U.S. has any intent to invade Iran. And I keep saying that, nor do I think it's possible at this point in time. You certainly can't use the Gulf states. That's what's being demonstrated right now, is you can't have,

U.S. forces within range of Iranian missiles. And anyone, any country who hosts U.S. forces for a ground invasion of Iran is going to get flattened. They're going to lose their, you know, oil production and they're going to have their leadership get calibrated. So, you know, the Jews didn't think carefully about this. one. They jumped and something I said with Stormy and DE in the most recent Inquisition is they didn't take the time to rebuild social capital with white men by giving them things

to get them on board. The people who are on board with this war, yeah, you had a little bump in recruiting of white men at the very beginning of the Trump administration. I don't believe it has persisted, and I don't believe anyone left really cares about this. They certainly couldn't do a draft. That would be a disaster for them. It would probably spark a civil war, among other things. and they just didn't they didn't rebuild the military sufficiently to sustain this or do a ground invasion. You know, there's talk of this, you know, Marine Corps, you know, invasion of an island or whatever.

What is accomplished by that, I don't know, other than creating more targets to get blasted. Especially when you consider that 90% of Iranian oil goes through there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, what we've essentially determined is that Iran determines if oil flows or not. And, you know, they, the, the, what's in everyone's best interest other than, and even like the regular person in, in Israel. And I know someone out there is going to be like, there are racial. enemy down down to the last man

woman and child and it's like look you get internet points certainly however like in reality the people getting blown up and not having power and running water in Israel right now aren't enjoying

that and they're realizing that their political leadership created this situation And so it doesn't matter how rabid the average person is or isn't when they start having to pay, you know, personally, people get really unenthusiastic about it. And that's why they're running for the borders. And that's why they're trying to fly out. But the airport keeps getting shut down. That's why all the private jets left.

You know, it's not, it's not going to be something they're going to be happy about soon. And, you know, they haven't exactly had a stable political situation over there. The people who just think that there's like one cabal, right? That there's one orientation. ignore the fact that there is significant political strife in Israel. And it will only worsen for them at this point, especially because the U.S. cannot sustain what we're doing. And it's not worth it, and no one wants it. No one in our leadership wants this to continue.

Like they're extremely unenthusiastic about it. So it's just a disaster for everyone who felt that it needed to be done and made it happen. And the best thing for us to do is to just basically say, hooray, that was great, everything's fine. We accomplished our objectives and leave. I mean, obviously we didn't accomplish anything. It's a it's a big joke. Did you see, um, did you see that Saudi Arabia, uh, tried to get Pakistan, who they have a joint defense agreement with, uh, to, to, to scramble against Iran and Pakistan was like,

yeah, right. And so they, everybody's doing that. Give us all our money back. Give us $6.3 billion dollars back. Yeah, everyone, everyone is like, forget this, man. it's a disaster. Yeah. It's just, I mean,

well, there are plenty of opinions out there. There's other things I wanted to bring up. Okay. Let's get away from some of the things that he said that I will have notes here. I'll bring them up. But I wanted to ask you this question. Does this, in your mind,

when you see that the director of the next National Counterterrorism Center retires because he can't do anything. What does this do to the people who say, well, just get in there, infiltrate and you can change it. You can change the system. Yeah. No, it, I think the most important lesson from this is that you can't take over a system that is sufficiently robust that you don't have overwhelming numbers to push out your enemies.

You just can't do it. You have to purge everyone. And the biggest problem with the Trump administration is that his coalition basically empowered him to get back into power after October 7th. I mean, it's obvious. That doesn't mean it's completely Jewish. Of course not, because it's a coalition. And it doesn't mean it's completely Zionist in orientation.

It's a coalition. There are a bunch of different groups who came together, and we've seen them. We know which ones they are. And, you know, if enough zogglings are in there, you can't do shit. If you can't talk to the president without going through, you know, a Zog operative, it's pointless. So, yeah, you know, I think having people in so that you have some connection to state operations is one thing. But it doesn't mean that they're going to have power. it means that like in a certain type of crisis or a certain kind of shift you'll have some

information right but that doesn't that doesn't get you anything unless you have sufficient weight behind you now if let's let's put it let's bring it back to something that that people think about Pete that we've talked about about quite a bit which is like in in the In the United States, if we were heading into a Spanish Civil War type situation in the United States, even if it was just like mostly regional thing or dealing with certain states, do you want people in the federal government who are your friends? Yes. What kind of jobs? To me, more internal facing. But again, that comes back to the point. Are you going to be able to be able to be able to be? accomplish anything. You know, Charles Spadiel was, you know, he's shared his experience with that. There's other people that are able to get things done because of the kind of job that they have, which is oriented towards a specific, specific task that allows them to do things that need to be done that they agree with. But, you know, you're stuck with the system

that you're stuck with. Except in those crisis situations, the bureaucracy has its tendencies, but the bureaucracy is weak, and if you can leapfrog them, or if you are a man of steel, you can deal with certain situations, but in day-to-day operations,

you can't do that. You can't march into an office and be like you're under arrest. you know, or I shoot you. You can't, you, you can do that in a coup. Not that I recommend coups and I disavow coups. But, you know, in your day-to-day, you certainly can't do that. So it's, it's much trickier and much more frustrating than, you know, fantasy scenarios.

So the, just get a, back more towards, I think we both agree that the Kent resignation, the letter, and everything he's been saying on, what he said on Tucker, at least from what you heard and what I heard on Scott Horton today is that he just, he believes that Israel holds all the cards and they basically they wag the dog. Yes. And I think at this point, like anyone who's saying otherwise, like I heard a really lispy faggot-sounding dude, you know, talking about America's history of colonization and this and that and how they treated the Indians. And, you know, and that's how you know that they control Israel because they, it's like, of course. That's assuming the same people are in charge and have the same exact.

motivations from back then and that's just not true. So there, yeah, it's it's just the the propaganda there's always going to be, you know, you and I have talked about this a lot where different people play different roles. And you know, you've had guests on who explained this as well that, you know, they, they never go as hard as some people that they hope others will get to, right? who will move people will move past them to the edgier stuff

that but in terms of the sandbox that they play in they play in more moderate angles and we have to consider that enemy propagandists do the same thing right like that is

one it's nonsense but it appeals to a certain specific mentality to cover for Israel and for the Israeli lobby in the United States. And it's, you know, that was the, what's his name? That was the Chomsky angle is that he always claimed that Israel was, you know, a satellite of the United States and did the United States bidding, which is hilarious. but of course he would, right?

Well, I mean, if that's, and what I've always said to people like that, well, if I want to admit that's true, I'm also going to have to admit that the United States has been under occupation. So, I mean, how do you even divorce us from Israel? Exactly, exactly. Every major event in American history sense, Probably about 19. 13. 10, 13. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. The first quarter of the 20th century is tied at the hip to some sort of operations specifically for them. And when, you know, the people who there's this like libertarian tendency to, you know, one of the things I've said, and I mean this in good faith, like, you know, you and I are both former libertarians, and we have a, we both have like deep understandings. Yours is much deeper, frankly, but we have deep understandings of like the ideological background and the, you know,

the books and the thought processes and the economic theory and all the things, right? And the average person who is, uh, who kind of like subscribes to those, you know, that, that belief system, we can call it, uh, that cope system, uh, has a really shallow understanding of those things, but like it sounds right to them. And a lot of the time and, and it took me a while to figure this out myself. And I think I've, we've talked about this before, but for myself, I realized that it was a cope because that way I could kind of be above it all and be like, well, I'm powerless, but by claiming that I have this ideological reason to like, I can be above it all and be like, oh, it's a disaster. And I have this like pure land libertarianism in my

mind that is untouched by this. That's like, that's like, it's. like my ideal and it's like well politics are about the dealing with the real world not ideals and you should be motivated by your you know your beliefs your faith uh which is incredibly important and then your the ideology that you have should be based on reality and so you know most people are are, their ideological understanding is just, it's literally a control mechanism to neutralize them with, with copes. And it's like, there's libtarded ones, there's conservatard ones, you know, there's, there's all these arrays of things that don't, aren't really relevant to the modern day. And the nice thing about now is that when you see that,

sort of stuff crop up in the, you know, in debate, it's like, it's obvious bullshit. Like it's, sometimes it's just an idiot who's commenting and has no business commenting, so you just ignore them. But if it's being promoted, it's just obvious bullshit. And so you can just say, ha, there's another example of where ideology is cope. Ideology is a spook. it's really quite staggering how many of these old

this old memetic poison that has seeped into our minds when we look for something outside of the mainstream you still deal with all these ideas that you pick up whether it's through music, whether it's through counterculture and a lot of the ideas that we absorbed from the internet, you know, when casting about, you know, whether it's,

you know, the first Iraq war, you know, early GWAT, when you're like, oh, you know, I really don't like these things. Well, there are these like, here are these buckets that, you know, of buckets of ideas that you can, if you engage with and whichever one, like, seems to appeal to you, you'll kind of dig into that one. And a lot of it is because it reinforces, you know, pre-existing ideas that you have, not that it has explanatory power.

And so as the explanatory power of those things has faded in the last couple decades, like not only do we have to shift and stay positive, frankly, and look for good things, but we also have to, be sure to aggressively expunge those ideas out of our minds

because we still carry a lot of that cope. There's a lot of, there's a lot of, and it sounds like I've been rambling, but if you go back to the early 20th century and you look at, you know, Monster from Jekyll Island,

for example, there's, you know, there's some really bad takes that explain what happened there. Oh, it's just about, money and powerful people and you know the the businessman's plot was bad capitalists trying to be fascist and there's all this this really poisonous stuff that when you really look at it you're like oh it's jews you know and it and it's this it's this consistent thing and you and it's really

easy to say oh well by having all the money go through this system that you know, not only makes us poorer, but it makes us more dependent on the system that they can extract money out of and then automatically have that much more power over things. And, you know, oh, well, you have to think about the impact of the economy and the, you know, the casino, got to have your money in the casino. And you don't want to lose all your money that's in the casino if we do if we do a politics that we don't approve of it's all this crazy shit and you know the we're just we're seeing them come up and it's our job to smack them down yeah that's when you're ideological or when you only when you're only looking at one thing so you know

you're oh if we can just fix the economics the economics would say care of everything. It's like, okay, sure. Explain the economics to me. How to get that way. Who's in charge of the economics? Yep. Who does it serve? Well, we're not worried about the who. You know, we just, well, that's because you don't have any answers. You're not, you're just basically wishcasting when you talk about. Exactly. Until you start naming and saying, okay, this is who's doing it. You know, if your country is being invaded, the first thing you want to know is who it is. Yes. Because, you know, if it's one group, they fight differently than another group.

And yeah, I mean, it's just, all right. So let's talk about the fact that he brought up in the Tucker interview, Butler and the Charlie Kirk assassination. Yes. And he very explicitly put those two together in the same box and say they relate to each other. And he implies, or not really implies, he pretty much says that he thinks that Trump is scared that he's been threatened and that his family may have been threatened. And that's why everything he's doing is against what. what he ran on, but in, you know, I have arguments with that too because sure, of course.

Yes. Like, maybe he was lying. He's always been around these people. Yeah, exactly. So, um, his whole life. So, um, I think that that was probably the most shot. Well, there's another shocking thing he said with Scott Horton. Um, he met, he, he, he started talking a little bit about it with Tucker, but he went

harder with Scott Horton, but I'm going to save that till the end because. because that takes me to another place. But what was your reaction when you start to hear him explicitly talking about Butler and Charlie Kerr? Well, I think that, you know, the hard thing that we've had in the discourse around those topics is that there was no real investigation. Like the investigation stopped, you know, under the very top level. and I think we all know we're never going to get certain kinds of information. Like it was deliberately excluded. Other people have researched these things, and there's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find,

and some of it sounds more delusional. But basically, yeah, the surface level, simple explanation can be true, but there's enough corroborating you know there are enough layers that are obviously that that warrant a look and when they just say no no no no like the the official explanation is no no it doesn't actually warrant a look it's like of course people are going to dig into that stuff like i saw something today that um as it relates to charlie kirk because i tried not it was so dark, I just try not to pay much attention to it for a long time. That to me is like pretty persuasive, uh, about a slightly alternative explanation. You want to talk about it now or you want to talk about it off the air? Uh, off the air, off the air. Because I don't, I don't have enough information. I literally just saw it, whoa posted it.

And I was like, huh. and it warrants investigation on my part before I can come to any conclusions. But anyway, the point being is it completely changes the narrative because you can have multiple things happen at once, right? like the Patsy is actually there. The Patsy, you know, isn't created from whole cloth usually. You usually don't need to do that, right? So that and just the lack of just the narrative that like you can't investigate it or it's an ongoing investigation. And so you can't say anything is pretty lame.

And of course it encourages people who are retarded to come up with retarded explanations for things. Of course it does. But you have to let it play out. And if there's no real investigation, if the counterterrorism honcho isn't allowed to look at information related to something that tells me that tells me, that he's being kept away from it for a reason, right? Yeah. Well, while you were talking, I, of course, went to Woos account. And now that's, I'm not going to be able to stop thinking about that.

I know. It's terrible. Yeah. But I mean, the whole thing is so terrible when you think about it. Look, I got reports today that Israel was telling people in Lebanon to leave their houses and then they're blowing up buildings. And the shocking part to me for that was that they were telling people to leave their houses. Yeah, exactly. Yep. So, yeah, we've seen what they believe about civilians. So when I look at that, I'm, uh, yeah. But the,

you mentioned, you know, the, just how kooky everything can get. And it seems like that that's the new propaganda. If you can't come, if you can't change people's minds with propaganda, then you have to flood the zone with misinformation. Yes. Yep. And you see a lot of that, you know, and it's, you know, and hey, every once in a while, I'll talk about it. I'll bring something up that's obviously false. Most of the time I know it's false. I just bring it up because it sounds fun, especially on a live stream. Um, but the, you know, I just pretty much don't believe anything anymore. And yeah, I think that most people have gotten to the point where I am. Like, you know, they're talking about this huge false flag, you know, a bomb, you know, a nuke going off

in a United States city, blaming it out in Iran. And I mean, I think at that point, half the population is like it's not that, that wasn't Iran. That was Israel at this point. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, and. Exactly. And I, and I would say a plurality of people in America would make that a as well, if anything happened. Yeah, it doesn't. It seems like what, here's the thing to me is, is that, you know, I've really been paying attention since October 7th. I was immediately talking about how this was, this was a turning point, just like 9-11,

just like the housing crisis, just like COVID, this is just another thing. Yeah. Charlie Kirk's assassination was another one. and I think, you know, the beginning of this war, this, this takes us, unless they get out of this immediately, then, you know, this is where we're, this is where we're at. This is going to be just another one of these turning points. And I mean, I have people contact me who are in our bubble. And they're like, I talk to Normies and within five minutes, they're, you know, so what do you think? think about, you know, what the Jews are doing.

Yeah. And for those who, you know, believe in elite theory, that there's always a small group that's pushing, I mean, if you, if you don't, if you believe that Israel controls the United States, you believe in elite theory. Okay. Just. Yeah, exactly. Yes.

There's truth to it. But also one thing that I know from my history and my reading and anyone who's followed 200 years together can figure this out. In many other cases in history, whether it's, you know, like, whatever it is, most of the time, the common people don't even know what's going on. Yeah, exactly. But when they push, when this group pushes too far, the peasants always, the peasants always know. Oh, yeah.

And insane amount of numbers. And I, they have to know that's not good for them. So why are they put, why is Mark Levin, why do they allow Mark Levin to be out there talking? It's, it's astonishing. It's astonishing. I just, and this is what drives me crazy. You know, they'll say, they'll say stuff like, oh, you know, anti-Semites are the ones who are putting all these ideas out there. And it's like, no, you're centering their.

conversation on yourself and we're just listening to what you say and we believe that you like believe that you can do this and you're so obviously disgusting and so obviously nuts like it just speaks for us you speak for yourself i don't have to say anything i just point to it and go eh and they have such a lack of theory of mind for other people that they just all they have is, you know, the labels. Oren McIntyre posted today, isn't it interesting, paraphrasing, isn't it interesting that cancel culture came back with the, you know, the neocon return to prominence?

Huh. Imagine that. That's all they have. because they're so obvious. So Thomas and I recorded today and we're doing a couple episodes on the, the Eichmann trial. And to points to like Mark Levin, one of the points Thomas made is,

is if you look at like the prosecution and the people sitting in the front at that trial, most of them look European. very well-spoken don't lose their don't lose their um their tempers and basically trying to

in a in a trial that was an absolute travesty and just the fucking what a fucking mess that was I mean there's no precedent in history for what that was um they tried to put on their best

theirs. And now their their friggin spokespeople are Mark Levin, Laura Lumer. Yeah. A gay guy who like bought two kids and bragged about it. And then pretty much everybody in the GOP congratulated him. Yes. Oh boy. I'm so happy for you. Really? If you don't believe me, I have a video with all the tweets of all the quote unquote right wingers who congratulated him for buying two kids. Yeah. But yeah, it just seems that people are in panic mode over just exactly what they are getting away with now.

But I don't think that they realize that like they're, they're, I'm trying to figure out I say this. They're in control, but they're out of control while they're in control. Like they have, they have control of the levers, but the lever, they're just pulling levers and pushing them and breaking them off and just like, and they have no idea what they're doing. Yeah. So I'm, honestly, I'm, I'm not blackpilled at all. No, I'm exactly the same way, man. Yeah.

And I mean, obviously we don't have a leader. There's no leadership. There is no one who is going to take a stand in the government right now. It's going to take a stand against them. But that still when you can't, you know, you can only drive a car so reckless, reckless all the time before you're going to bring a wipe out. you're going to spin out, you're going to go off the road. And that's what we're seeing right now is we're just seeing a car barreling down the road, and it doesn't seem like there's a driver at the wheel.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, yeah, they're just, they're just continuing to do the same thing. And the narrative is incongruous with what's taking place. at this point we know they just utterly hijacked maga right which again none of us were like maga guys but at the same time you know there's you're like it would be nice if you know that was what they actually wanted to do uh and and just their incompetence and again to your point like their contempt just a total disregard for even trying to look legitimate and follow norms that we would follow, they're so confident that they have total control of the culture

that they behave this way, just brazenly. And an inability to differentiate between that and their old way of influencing the culture. Because they're like, well, my whole life, we've been in control, and I've been able to just act however I want to. It doesn't mean people like it. It was more that they just weren't aware of it, you know?

It's totally staggering. It's not good for them. Well, here's a thing. When you think that you're in control, when you think that you are, we are the government. And then you look at the government and you're like, well, it just doesn't seem that the government works for, why isn't the government working for us?

Because we live in an occupied country. When you realize that there's an outside force that you've been social engineered into thinking are victims, thinking are smarter than you, thinking are literally better than you. And then you're like, oh, wait a minute, these are murderous psychopaths. Yeah. This is why we're murderous psychopaths now. Yes, exactly. Because we become them. Yeah, it doesn't explain like one of the, I was thinking about at the end of the 19th century.

I was reading some material with the new American imperialism attitude, right? like Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt and stuff like that. And some really wild shit, frankly, that they would say and do. You know, Spanish-American War operations in the Philippines, et cetera, how all that was conducted. It's pretty psycho. And it's interesting because that then gets blamed for what we actually. did for the next 75 years, which was coming from a completely different mentality than that. Like that was, a lot of that was frankly just propaganda to, you know, for that specific war.

It wasn't this like real policy. The actual policy was much more measured and much more reasonable. for the first half of the 20th century than it was later, but the latter half was supposedly so much more moral, right? Because all these other moral considerations are being, and no, absolutely not. There was way more psychopathic in the second half of the 20th century. So, yeah, it's crazy stuff because you have these, and again, it goes back to those old assumptions that you just can't understand unless you actually step back and say, I'm going to disregard the explanation, the ideological explanation I had for this

that was provided to me, right? It's not like I came up with it on my own. I consumed it at some point in my life. And I was kind of like, oh, that has explanatory power. That seems to make sense. Smart people seem to think that. And then you find out that they're just full of shit and like covering up for like what's actually happening

and then you're like oh because all those frames are about you're evil American and like Americans don't want to run around the world and you know do imperialism like there's a little bit of people

that talk that way on the internet but it's like almost nobody actually wants to do that the average American does not want to leave their house no why would they want to American doesn't want to get off the couch.

Yeah. So why would you want to run around? The only reason you think that you need to be running around the world is because the people who have been occupying you for over 100 years have convinced you so. First they force you to do it. And then after the fact, they come up with a narrative. Because, like, World War II was mostly conscript war. It was like the most propagandized war in history. And most people who served on the front lines were conscripts in the U.S.

perspective, as well as the rest of the world. Like the meat grinder is non-voluntary. It's non-optional. So, and then the other side of that is that if you didn't participate in it, you ate shit for the rest of your life. Yeah, as punishment because it was so important. Well, I mean, and look at the way Ireland gets treated now. They have to be destroyed because because they were like, yeah, we're not,

this isn't us. We have nothing to deal with this. Yeah, exactly. They must be destroyed because they didn't sacrifice, you know, a generation of young men for Jewish power, you know. I think I've mentioned this before, but I have a scene in faction with the Crusaders that is basically a conversation with a rando in the United States that is actually one of my grandfather's stories. One of my grandfathers volunteered for the military. he joined the army before the war started because he knew there was going to be a war.

The World War I vets that he worked with, and he was like 25 at the time, said war drums are beating. You don't want to be conscripted. You don't want to be drafted. The smart move is to, because you're a cannon fodder, you're an Appalachian kid, you're a cannon fodder, So join early, get a little experience, and then next thing you know, you'll be an NCO, and you'll have actual training instead of just getting these little eight-week meat grinder sessions. And so he did that. And the other one, who had been a merchant Marine and then was a firefighter, his mother made him promise. she said, you know that this war is, you know, who this war is for, and what they're cooking up is not in our interests, and it is not moral.

And so I want all my boys to promise me you will not run off to some full war. They all promised the only one who stuck with it was my grandfather. His other brothers went into the military because the pressure was too great. and he ate shit for it for the rest of his life. And he was named after a, his parents, neighbors, only child

who died in World War I in the very first battle the United States fought in. Something like 20,000 young men were killed in one day for fucking nothing. Nothing that had anything to do with us. and why was the U.S. there? Balfour Declaration. So I take it personally. Yeah. My dad did the same thing with Vietnam.

He joined when he was 17, went into, made it into intelligence and everything like that. But, you know, didn't have to... Yeah, when you volunteer, you have a few more options. Yep. Mine did the same thing after you graduate. graduated from college, he was like, hey, I have an accounting degree. I bet that would make me

useful in logistics. What can we do? So let's finish with this. I know at the end of the Tucker interview, Tucker is asking for solutions at the end of the Scott Horton interview. Same thing. and basically Joe Kent went hard. I think he went harder on Scott Horton's show because, I mean, Scott Horton's got a much smaller platform than Tucker does. Yeah, I think sometimes when you go on bigger platforms, you tend to tone it down. Moderate a bit, yeah, yeah. And then you go on a smaller platform. It's like, oh, I can let loose a little more, which it doesn't matter that those people are always going to find you, whether you're on a small platform or whatever.

They found Darrell on my platform and we did our JQ. episodes. So he said the way you do this is you just have to pressure Israel. You just have to tell Israel you're not getting what you want. You are not getting anything until you, until you moderate yourself, until you fucking come to your senses. Absolutely. Who's ever talked like that before when it comes to them? Never. I'm talking about like somebody who was an appointed official. You know what's funny? There are people like, there are truesters out there who are like, who were like he couldn't even win, he couldn't even win an election. Could you imagine how bad it would have been if he would have won an election?

Oh, so you're happy that the Democrat won? Would you like me to explain for the audience how he lost that election? Please. He primaried a really shitty Republican and the smear campaign began hot and heavy heavy. and when I say he primaried it means that the people of his district

were sick of their anti-Trump never-Trump Republican clown who relatives of mine you know also disliked very much and voted for Joe Kent

and anyway in Washington state they have mail-in ballots. It's mail-only. Do you think that any election in Washington State goes the way that the Democratic Party machine doesn't want it to go? Absolutely not. They have motor voter.

They have every ballot stuffing tool on hand. And in their very first all-mail, gubernatorial race in 2004 was the very first time they stole an election. We, you know, it was, it was really interesting because if you look into it, Washington State probably, like almost certainly should have had a Republican governor in 2004 and going into the Obama era, because that guy would have had two terms and was very, fairly popular. And, you know, any district that has more than a few lib tards in it is going to be,

it's going to, you know, have elections won by Democrats. The most conservative parts of the western half of the state have all like Pagit Democrat representatives because of the numbers. And it isn't because people are voting for them. It's because of the ballot stuffing and the fact that there's no oversight. There's been no oversight over elections from someone who wasn't a partisan Democrat hack

for 25 years. So that is how Joe Kent, quote unquote, lost an election. I just love that they're celebrating that a Democrat won. They're carrying water for their enemies, which shows that they're the enemy. And then what they say, what they'll say when you criticize the administration for what they're doing, you're just using the left talking points. You're just, I mean, you just said that you, you just said that you're happy that a Democrat won.

Yeah, exactly. So, here's my, here's the last thing I want to bring. up. I think that you've probably heard me talk, and I don't know if we've talked about this before, but it seems like Tucker, McGregor, a couple other people, that there is an old-school American, call them wasps. They want their country back. Oh, yeah. I'll just say this. If I were to say Joe Kent 2028, what would you think? Hmm.

As the first major anti-Israel candidate. Based. That's what I say. And, you know, it's interesting because at different times, he said a lot of different things, but people can also change their minds.

And he strikes me, he strikes me as completely honest and candid. Dude, if you're in the field, if you're out in in the fucking shit and you have Shia, if you have Iran back Shia, um, groups killing your buddies. Yeah. You're, I have, I give you a pass. Yes. On some of your opinions. It's like some, some of the guys' opinions who've been, been in the shit of this, you know, of Islam, you know, and lumping it into one thing. Yeah, yeah. You watch your buddy die.

You got to pass. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I was thinking is, is that this is setting. And I'm not the smartest man on the planet. Somebody on their side already figured this out. And that's why immediately the, oh, he's a leaker. Oh, he's, you know, his wife works.

for the c you know for the chinese communist party which doesn't exist you know what my favorite thing was related to that pete was some some uh israelite some israeli some israeli um you know typing in english uh yelling at americans said that uh his wife works for max bloominthol a rabid and anti-Semite. Yeah. Beautiful. I heard an interview at Max Blumenthal yesterday. He's like,

he said, I've never met her. I never talked to her. Yeah. A lot of people do drive-by articles for, for our website. Exactly. Exactly.

hilarious, man. And I think Burden actually said today, um, when he was talking with Thomas on radio, Free Chicago. He's like, look, I've written for like 12 websites and they're one-off, like 12 websites, one-off articles and I've never had contact with them since. I'm just looking, I was just looking for a paycheck at the time. Yep. Yeah. Filarious. But it's, it, it doesn't escape me that they, I knew they'd immediately go on the attack and they'd just start making shit up.

Oh, yeah. He was the greatest man of all times. when he was when, you know, they were trying to get him on. Yeah. But the, um, watching how quickly, I mean, just look at this guy, this, I mean, just look at his physiognomy. Oh, I know. Stud. He's the fucking Chad beam.

He is. I mean, I mean, he, he runs and people are going to listen. And especially if he runs. as somebody who is, and I know people are listening to this and thinking, I'm in cope mode. I don't know that the guy is going to run. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking out loud saying he probably won't. He'd fucking be stupid to run. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I think you're right. But, you know, he is the kind of guy that you would be a good advisor. Yeah, he'd be a good person for a real position. Right. But he is also the kind of guy you'd want to do that because he's pretty fearless. And, you know, he's been, you really can't call him a pussy considering, like, what, 11, you know, 11 deployments into the heart of hell. Also CIA, we can't ignore that. But, yeah, I mean, that's the kind of vibe that I'm getting is that this, this WASP faction that is,

is clearly, clearly fighting back against this is looking for their guy for 2028. Yes. And the fact that he drops that letter and then the next thing he does is fly to Tucker. Yeah, exactly. Because Tucker said we spent the last 24 hours together. I mean, that means that he wrote a letter and flew to Tucker. And Tucker is, and as we're recording this, Oren had Tucker on today.

Yeah. And apparently Tucker is just completely just, like, it's the Jews. Wild. Is saying, calling plan trusters idiots. Yeah. You know, and so, yeah, I think there's something afoot, probably wrong, wrong often. That's why I don't like to make. predictions because my predictions are never that great. But there's somebody that they're, I'm pretty

positive that there's going to be somebody that they're going to run as the anti-Israel candidate. And it's going to be, it's going to be from the right. And I think that that's, they're looking for them right now. And I wouldn't be too surprised if they're asking him about it. No, I think you're right. And even if it's, even if it's just in the primary, just to talk about it, just to try to gauge sentiment, just to try to get something, you know, get something out there and try to, try to move the needle. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I know I'll be listening to that Tucker article, or excuse me, that Tucker interview with Oron,

when I'm in the car this afternoon, going to see some of the boys. Awesome. And I will be listening to it as soon as we disconnect. So tell everybody where they can find your work. All right. Thanks, Pete. This was super fun. Awesome.

You can find me at Carldal. com. That's the best place. I am Cowdeo doll on X, although I don't post a lot anymore because it's, just the worst platform of all time. Pete is very wise to have tapered that off. Well, I mean, not posting for Lent, that's for sure. And very seriously considering not going back because, you know, my thought was always,

I have a show. If I want to build a brand, if I want to have an audience, if I want people to listen to what I have to say, I should be out there promoting it. Yeah. And my subscription rate has gone up over 10% since I got off of social media. You know, it's interesting. I recently monetized my substack just because I've been doing so much for it. And I had people like asking me to for some time.

So I finally went for it. I consulted with Burden a bit on that. on the topic. And yeah, I have a fair amount of subscriptions coming in there, and it has nothing to do with X. Like promoting it on X barely moves the needle. Substack is a very robust platform. And that's good. I mean, I'm glad that, you know, we have more opportunity to speak on X, but I feel like it's a, the medium is the message. So, you know, putting, Putting more effort elsewhere is better. You're 100% familiar with dead internet theory, right?

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's going to hit a platform at some point. Yeah. And, you know, it's what I'm seeing on there to prolong the point and kind of tie back in. I am seeing post-October 2023 accounts. account creation dates pushing propaganda angles that are following a Hasbara template that I first identified in 2017.

I first parsed and figured out on Gab in 2017, and they're doing the same thing again. Like, no effort, no effort whatsoever to hide it. It's just the same crap. and it's bots being serviced by, you know, people, you know, in a bunker with little hats or someone who's like pooping themselves in, you know, some hellhole, et cetera. Or it's just straight AI nonsense. And yeah, it's not worth engaging with. It's not worth talking to people that aren't like your pal. 100%, man.

All right, I'll make sure to link to everything for you. Thanks, sir. It was good talking to you. Yeah, great talking to you, man. Happy Friday. Happy Friday.