The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1353: The American Regime w/ Christian Secor

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

73 MinutesPG-13Christian Secor is an author and Jan 6th hostage of the regime. Christian joins Pete to talk about the second edition of his book "The American Regime."The American Regime - Use promo code peteq for 5% off.Pete and Thomas777 'At the Movies'Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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early and ad free. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the Piquignanaz show. I'm here with Christian Seacore. How are you doing, Christian? I'm good. Happy beyond. Awesome, man. All right.

First time on the show, I'm going to have to ask you to tell your story. Yeah. Well, you know, it's, it goes back quite a while, you know.

I guess my political career started basically, like, the first week at UCLA. This was after, like basically years of lurking and getting involved with the college Republicans. And, you know, there, I mean, if anybody knows, like, the college Republicans at this point has

become, like, very far right. And that's basically because of the efforts of myself and some friends, basically during, like, the pre-to-post COVID era. And, you know, in that area, you know the basically the end of that era was marked by january 6th which obviously i was involved in which was a basically morphed out of the uh curfew breakers protest movement for covid which then turned into stop the steal after the election which then turned into january 6th so i was in dc twice before january 6th i believe it was uh october november and there was another uh I believe in December, which I wasn't at. And then the last one was January 6th.

I don't know. Do you have any questions on like the specifics of January 6th? No, just, you know, tell what happened to you, what you did that day, what you experienced and the outcome. I think a big misunderstanding about January 6th was the amount of people. because they purposefully keep that kind of occult. I've never seen that many people. It was definitely more than, you know, things like the Women's March,

which is called like the largest protest in American history. The January 6th protest in particular was in the high hundreds of thousands to, if not, over a million people. I remember walking for like durations of a mile to two miles towards the capital. And it was literally like shoulder to shoulder people. It was pretty insane. But they kind of make sure that, you know, not a lot of pictures of that many people are public for whatever reason.

I remember they were saying it was like 100,000 people. It's just like totally not true. I've never seen so many people during any protests in January 6th. And there was a lot of people at the Stop the Steel protests as well, previously a few months before that. So my experience with January 6th was that I was with a bunch of basically Groypers, who I had known for a year from AFPAC 1 through to the Stop of Steel and then January 6th. And we were kind of huddling around, kind of half listening to the Trump speech, which we weren't really listening to. We were very antsy because it was a, you know, there was a lot of people.

There was a lot of energy there. Self service didn't work. And someone comes up to us and says, hey, there's people at the Capitol. And we were so bored that we just like stormed off as fat. Like I think we literally sprinted a mile, basically, which at that time I didn't have great cardio. So that was kind of kind of shows how amped we were. And we got there and there's kind of this narrative that like people broke down the barricades and, you know, we're fighting the police and whatnot. I didn't really see much of that in my, you know, court docket.

They claim that I stepped over barricades. I never saw any barricades. They claimed that I like, you know, we broke into the Capitol. They let us in, right? and, you know, I can't comment on what went on with the first people to get there. But from my experience, it was relatively, you know, it was supposed to be a sit-in. And they declared it a unlawful assembly and then everybody went home. Now, they declared an unlawful assembly.

And I remember telling my friends, you know, we should probably get out of D.C. and go to Virginia because, you know, we don't want to get a fine. because, you know, I've been to protest before that were declared unlawful assemblies, and typically what happens is if you loiter, yeah, you can get a fine because it's unlawful. So we get to a new hotel and, you know, we turn on the TV and the mainstream press is saying that we're terrorists, which definitely rattleed us, me especially. I was the only one of that group who went into the capital. And from there, we went home to our, you know, we took our respective flights with no issue. And a month later, I was rolled up on, in a cliche, you know, the pre-dawn raid 6 a.m.

by FBI and armored cars and a helicopter decked out, you know, what is it? ops core helmets plate carriers mark 18s the whole nine yards did they um well you you got arrested and was there a trial did you um did you plead what what happened so when i was initially arrested they took me to a detention facility which uh is basically like the federal equivalent of jail and that place had the worst conditions of any of my incarceration by far. I was kept in solitary confinement. I wasn't told why I was kept in solitary confinement.

The first day I was given like a bail hearing. And basically I was denied bail because they did their own discovery. And, you know, the legal team that I was able to cobble together in a few hours, they weren't given any of the discovery they didn't have any opportunity to defend anything and so it was basically just a kangaroo court no uh no criminal history at all yeah i was a by the way also non-violence charges and i was denied bail and and the crazy thing too i'll i'll get to that after the whole uh jail stint so i was in there in solitary confinement for basically the duration of Lent. And eventually I was able to get another bail hearing this time with a Trump-appointed judge, Trevor McFadden, who at the time seemed promising.

But if anybody knows the story of the January 6th political prisoners, knows that Trevor McFadden, who, by the way, is still an office as a sitting judge, was one of the the worst, if not the worst, sentencers of all the judges, Republican or Democrat. So I didn't know that at the time, obviously. And he actually gave me bail and bond, which was total $300,000. Why I an unemployed college student was given a $300,000 bail and bond, you'll have to ask the legal system. But thankfully, my family was able to get me a,

bond and get me out of there for the time being. From there, I spent about 18 months in house arrest, and eventually I was summoned back for my actual sentencing after pleading guilty because everybody was falling left and right. There was no way that you can fight them. I knew one guy in prison who he had lesser charges than me and he fought it. He was a journalist too. He wasn't even like a protester and he got 48 months for, you know, just fighting it and not playing. But yeah, he sentenced me to 42 months, which was about three times my sentencing guidelines. And from there, thankfully, I was able to self-surrender to prison rather than just being

scooped up right there in D.C. And when did you get out? I got out in May of was it 2023 maybe no was it

2024 yeah it was 2024 May of 2024 I was let out on ironically some Trump prison reform legislation I was able to get out a little little bit early because my charges were nonviolent.

And you got out and, um, and it was about 18 months in federal prison. Okay. The whole soon. How soon after you got out did you decide you needed to write a book? Well, I, when I went to the detention center, I basically spent the entire time reading because up until that point, I was basically, in school at UCLA so I didn't have time to read anything that wasn't in the curriculum. So I finally had an opportunity to read all the books that I wanted to read like The Clan of

the West and, you know, Evela went on Burnham. And from there, I started writing articles for countercurrents and eventually I was like, you know, I have all this time in house arrest that, you know, I might as well try my hand at it. And I literally finished the book I think it was like the week before I had to turn myself in to go to prison. And the book was released January 6th of, was it, 2020. Three, I believe it was, yeah, January 6th, 20203, which was a few months after I turned myself into prison. And while I was in prison, I also started writing for counteragrants again, though I haven't written for them in a while I've been working on other projects.

How is the second edition of the American regime different than the first? Oh, it's way better. Everything that, you know, when when I was in school, I was definitely more intelligent than the people there. And then when I was able to have time to actually study, I saw that version of myself as a total idiot, which is when I wrote the book. And then after being in prison for another 18 months and reading maybe three books a week, just basically nothing but working out nonstop studying. With that context, I did the second edition to make it a little more academic edit, things that didn't flow correctly, added more. context, especially with what happened while I was in prison, such as October 7th, that definitely

kind of confirmed a lot of what I wrote in the book in terms of the power of money versus, you know, this cathedral power, right? Also in the second edition is a article that I wrote in prison that is very pertinent to the books subject matter, which is basically a book or a article called, What is American Nationalism, the Nation of Theseus? And I mean, if you know the story of the ship of Theseus, it's kind of an obvious reference where, you know, there's this whole idea of America as a ethnos,

as this ethnogenesis in America. but you have this phenomenon where, you know, you're just kind of continuously replacing the boards and the ship of Theseus to the point where, you know, anyone basically can have claim to what America actually is. It's just a matter of who has the might to be able to enforce that. Well, one of the things that you do, well, calling it a regime is, you know, the American regime is, to me, proper. I've been calling it a regime for as long as I can remember now. But I think there are a lot of people who, when they think about what the government is now, they believe that everything was perfect in the beginning or is as perfect as it could be. And we got here through subversion a hundred years later. Maybe they go to the Civil War, maybe they go to the First World War,

Second World War. What is your opinion on that, that the, something that like the foundation myths? What's your, what's your idea? So I'm very much influenced by the capital T traditionalists in that I, I very much see on like a smaller scale on a, like a national imperial scale, kind of a scale that Glob was talking about as opposed to Spangler with his idea of a

civilization or, you know, the capital of T traditionalists with like the entire state of humanity as a whole where I apply these cyclical ideas to just the American Empire in itself. And you can definitely see how applicable it is the, you know, like in the beginning, you had the idea of America and you could say those people who had the idea who formulated America, you could call them kind of like a priestly order, whereas after that, especially after the war of 1812, you could say that the United States was kind of a warrior-centered culture, right, until the Civil War, where you had the bourgeois industrial elements in the north, defeating the aristocratic patrician warrior culture of the South.

And as of perhaps the end of World War II to 1968 is basically where I have the cutoff where I say we're definitively no longer in a bourgeois order, even though money is very powerful. But we're in a crass plebeian order of pure, as Gwynon would say, pure quantity over quality, right? You could say that the founding fathers or even pre-founding fathers when America was a nation, but not necessarily a nation state. You could call that pure quality, whereas today we live under a reign of quantity in the United States. And you can apply that also to the rest of the Western world. But the United States, it's an especially potent way of understanding the United States because the United States is basically the latest nation founded within this plebeian era how do you think the second industrial revolution influenced that or do you think it did it all the second this was like the late 19th century right yes

yeah so i think that is like the perfect cutoff for the united states i think that you know you see this with the civil war where it was basically untenable materially for a aristocratic, you know, human state that existed with the Confederate states to really have any future. On a, like, materialist, like, from a materialist worldview, especially like that of a tainter, you know, it basically was inevitable that we would have the continuance of the cycle, which, you know, you could say that, you know, the ancients, they basically saw this coming just in a more metaphysical understanding. So let's come forward a little bit. If the cutoff is in the late 19th century, we cross over into the 20th century.

Now we basically were becoming an empire. And you can start seeing that earlier than the 19th, than the first decade of the 20th century, but it's really when it starts being spoken. When it comes to myths, what do you think the myths of the world wars, especially the second world war? How does that throw a wrench into it? Yeah, so something interesting that you find in these cycles,

something that I noticed is, you know, you would think that an era, of like the warrior would be the most warlike era, but that's not true. We see in, let's say, ancient Greece, right? If you understand ancient Greece, or I think a Spangler would call like an Apollonian society, the most warlike time was in between the times of the Persian War and the Peloponnesian War. And these thinkers would understand that as kind of a time of degeneration, not as a time of like the warrior.

It was a time where mass was increasing in importance over like a, especially like an equestrian order. You know, the knights of Greece were a lot less important during these times than the democratization of the military under the hoplites. So you see the same thing with the West where it's not really in the era of medieval times, especially for the West as a whole, would be the war of your age, right? And, you know, the greatest wars of this aid or of Western civilization weren't in the medieval ages. They really started with the early modern age with the things like the 30 years war, right, and the English Civil War up to the Napoleonic Wars to the World Wars. which is basically where, at least in the case of Gwynon and Evela, they really saw that as like the cutoff point where we go from a bourgeois age to an age of just like lack of, a lack of like order, an antinomian age, an age where the old aristocrats are completely irrelevant,

an age, frankly, of communism and socialism, not just on a governmental level, but on a psychological level, right? You get this phenomenon of, like, race communism, of, like, leftism, not necessarily as, you know, pro-workers, but just anti-what-is intuitively good. And then you come forward, I'm just doing a quick span of history, and then we're going to go back and dive a little deeper. The civil rights era, you mentioned Brown v. Board, Civil Rights Act 64, heartseller. How do these play into it, especially taking into consideration your article, what is American nationalism?

Well, I would say that each degeneration of a society has its own foundation myth. And you see this with the foundation myths of the United States. You see a progressively degenerated foundation myth each time. So, you know, the American founding with the Revolutionary War, it was a myth of nationalism, right? Of a people breaking away from the old world. Fair enough. The next foundation myth was the Civil War, which was more based on, you know, like an equality. by the 1960s you get this idea where, you know, especially with the World War II Holocaust myth,

where you get this idea that, you know, the ultimate good is the minority and especially the persecuted Jew, which reasons that the people who are persecuting these minorities, especially the ultimate minority, which is the Jew, are white people. And it doesn't matter that the United States, actually helping the Jews theoretically. That wasn't the reason why the US got involved in World War II, but the US was against Germany, which were the persecutors of the Jews, but it doesn't matter because the United States was a white country.

Later on, you go to the 1960s, which kind of spawned out of this foundation myth, and you get ideas from the Frankfurt School, ideas of the authoritarian personality complex. ideas that basically spawned the civil rights movement where now it's not just that, you know, they support equality, but now it's more about equity. It's more about tearing white institutions down. It's about lifting up the minority as an inherent good in itself, which leads on to today where you basically get a, it's almost like an inversion of the original foundation, right? where initially the United States was created as like this, you know, yeoman state of, you know, hardworking people who created nothing out of the wilderness. And the new foundation myth, especially out of the ashes of, you know, this whole 2020, George Floyd, so-called civil rights movement phenomenon, is this idea that all of that, not only is it not good, but it's actually inherently bad.

and everything associated with it is bad. Anything that is productive is bad, and things that are destructive are inherently good, which is basically predicted by Gwynon when he talked about this idea that in the end of a civilization, you will get not just the supplantation of quality by quantity, but you'll actually get an anti-quality, basically,

at the very end, where it's a negation of the original substance of the civilization. Spangler talks about how once the struggle for civilization, once you reach civilization, during the struggle, magic happens, I hate to use that term, to the point of you can see in a civilization, in a culture, progress, Once progress is achieved, once you reach an endpoint, you know, which is basically civilization, once you've reached civilization, the high culture starts to disappear because you don't need it anymore.

And now you start breaking down. And it seems like the where we're at now and what's carried through, especially with the post-war consensus and the myth of World War II is that equality and social justice is, it would be the greatest virtue, the greatest virtues that we have. So does it make sense that as we're coming out of a, as we're coming out of like an industrial revolution where now people, it's gotten to the point now where many people work from home. People don't even have to leave the house anymore. Nothing is manufactured in the United States that basically because there's no struggle anymore, you go looking for, and I think Kaczynski talked about this too.

you go looking for dragons to slay and the dragon now is racism, social justice, inequality, someone having more than the other. Does that make sense? Yeah, I see what you're saying, but the reason why I don't think that that's what's going on, I think it's something much more sinister is the fact that you could argue that we have some of the worst dragons to slay in human history today. We live under a regime of, you were banned on YouTube, right? So I can say this. A regime of psychopathic Jewish pedophiles who basically operate under a hive mind and basically see humanity as their enemy. How can you have a bigger dragon to slay than a

then an occluded group of psychopaths who literally declare themselves the enemy of humanity whereas these people the dragons that they're slaying I don't even they're not dragons at all they're like the opposite of dragons they see something beautiful something ordered

and for whatever reason you know if you're like a Christian or something maybe you'd say it's like demonic possession or something but there's definitely something very sinister going on here I mean sinister literally means the left right so there's there's something going on here that I think is kind of difficult to understand from a purely materialist political science perspective which is kind of what I get into it's kind of

a polemic against this phenomenon in the last part of my book is that you know there's like an instinctual reaction from people who understand relatively what's going on the world that this isn't normal there's there's some kind of force, be it like a zeitgeist or, you know, parapsychological, that is operating, that is controlling these people in a way that is, it's not just like bad, but it is exactly opposite of like, you know, what CS Lewis called the Tao, just like what you naturally understand as good natural law. Like a leftist will see someone defending themselves from a gang of criminals and they'll want the person who was attacked to go to prison. But then if for whatever reason it's a jurisdiction that is actually pro-law and order, they will fight and take time out of their day. They will take hours off of their work where they're supposed to take care of their family by making money and they will go out and protest on behalf of people that are. attempted murderers and we see this every day and you know I don't know if

there's a material explanation for why this is you know in there's there's a common pattern at the end of civilizations where people say that the the populace just kind of goes crazy and for example the most famous example is Rome where they literally blamed the madness of the people in the last days of Rome on leaden the pipes I'm not sure that I had any thing to do with lead in the pipes. I think that there's just something spiritual or psychological that happens at the very end. I don't know if like humans we can't operate effectively in an ultra urban environment or what, but something messes with our heads and basically turns people

insane. It creates a type of, you know, on a collective unconscious level makes people completely crazy and there's there's there's there's no way you can really uh you can't really reason with them to the point where like you know monks had to kind of stow away books and hope that their monastery wasn't going to get burned down in the dark ages because how do you how do you reason with someone who has come to their conclusions without reason when it comes to meta history you know you You obviously in the book refuse and reject the progressive linear view of history to a more cyclical history, whether you want to quote Hegel or many other writers who have talked about that. I think since you already brought it up, might as well get into it. We've seen various cycles, especially over the last 2,000 years.

and it always seems that it, especially lately in the last century and a half, it's been very clear because of just the press, television, I mean, just how information can travel so much more now, is that these cycles happen and there's, it seems like the thought leaders are always from one group. and especially when you look into like, you know, we're reading, we're almost done, myself and Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson, reading 200 years together by Solzhen. And, you know, you see who the thought leaders were behind this murderous, psychopathic regime that took over Russia and was in no way Russian. and their power falls away, but in their power falling away, they actually get their own country. And when they get their own country, they continue on a massive scale to execute what they've always done, be parasitic and inflict murder, psychopathy, and things that I can't talk to my wife about, you know, because she's a, you know, she's, I'm,

I'm a person who can read about these things. She's a good person. She doesn't want to read about these things. It will bother her. It will destroy, you know, she doesn't want that in her mind. And this group, their thought process, their ideas dominate. And it seems like the cycles, and if you know the last 2,000 years of history and especially the last 1,200 years, whenever you see a cataclysmic event happen, it seems like their ideas and their thoughts are there. So I know exactly what you're saying. I'm not trying to say this is just the path of history and this is the way it's always been. It seems that we're at a very special time in history where there is one group and their ideas

and how they see the world has taken over, and it's infected basically everything we do in this country. So that's exactly correct. And to riff off of Kevin McDonald's thesis, you could say that they have an evolutionary psychology to where, you know, they can't really operate during a, like, noble era of a civilization, right? Which for Western civilization in this iterance, it would be the Middle Ages. They were basically bottom of the totem pole during this time because, you know, a smart, clever nerd doesn't really have any effect on society in a time where a night on horseback will just say, I don't like what you're doing, leave, right?

But we live in this time of money and of, you know, whipping up crowds, basically. That's what this era of the proletarian is, is this era of, it's not even the power of the people. It's a power of the person who is able to whip up the people. And this is really where they excel. So I would say they are for hundreds of years, basically, as a society evolved to flourish in this kind of environment. So I don't think people will say like they are guiding history. I would say that they are flourishing in some periods of history. And perhaps they are trying to ensure that a state of the world continues for as long as possible.

Because especially white people, they will fantasize about like the collapse of society. And I think part of the reason why is because, I mean, let's be honest, who would flourish during that time. It's not the people who rule us. It's like, you know, who you would think of as a conservative white person would be the person who would flourish during a time of societal collapse. And you can basically apply that to who rules us today, right? where they would like to create the conditions and continue the conditions where their type of evolutionary psychology over thousands of years of living as a wandering diaspora people really comes in handy during a time where people live in cities where people are atomized and incognito and the people who really benefit for. from these situations are people who operate under Cripsis, people who are able to not just collaborate,

but secretly collaborate with people of a like mind while other people are non the wiser. One of the things that you talk about in here, and I think it's something that we can't talk about enough, is just how Europe needed to be destroyed after World War II. And as they were being slowly dismantled, than the migrant invasions. And this is not something they hide.

They say we are weak in a society where we stand out. So we need societies that are not only multicultural but multiracial and we need chaos. We need that society to be in chaos. We need because while everybody's paying attention, you know, there's this whole in England, it is very, very easy to concentrate on rape gangs, which are horrible. And I would like to see the English to embrace their heritage. But the, you know, what's called, what I would call a cancer jihad, where they're saying, no, over here, it all has to do with these Muslims, not looking at like literally who owned the boats when it comes to the windrush generation.

I mean, it's, and watching Europe destroyed, another book I've read on my show took 18 episodes is Camp of the Saints. And I think when Camp of the Saints came out, it was a lot of people looked at it as this could be, like parts of it were cartoonish. And now you're seeing it happen. I mean, you're seeing it happen on our northern border in Canada, which is like you're worried about a wall to the south. I want a wall to the north to be built.

While they're doing this, they're basically destroying everything. You know, half of my family is from historically Spain. The other half is from Poland. Spain, they've destroyed Spain. And they're trying to destroy Poland now. They want to do everything they can to destroy Poland. When you're watching this, when you're watching this happen, it seems sometimes like the only thing that you can hope for is that all of these importations

that they're, all these people that they're using as invaders to destroy Europe, that it blows back on them. And I think that's why you've actually seen some, Some of them, I don't consider them to be left wing or right wing. I will use that shorthand sometimes. No, they're just, they're for themselves. You see people who formerly were embracing left wing causes have switched right wing in this country now

because they're starting to see the blowback of importing groups of people who don't care about them and can actually be hostile to them. Yeah, it's kind of funny, especially relevant now is this phenomenon of leftists who are siding against Israel. But at the same time, you know, they're like very anti, very ardent anti-Zionists. But at the same time, they would happily, like even some of these, you know, brown activists, they would happily, you know, join forces between like Palestinians and Jewish Zionists to stomp out. any populist, right-wing, white nationalist political movement. I've seen that with my own eyes in school.

And it holds true to this day. I mean, you saw the thing in England where there was a Palestinian woman who was banished from the anti-Zionist movement in England because they deemed her an anti-Semite. And I think the leadership of the anti-Zionist movement in England was actually Jewish. So you see this kind of phenomenon where obviously the left wing are just another side of the same Jewish coin. You just have one side that are the, you know, Lekudniks, basically, and the other side are Judeo-Bolsheviks. And it kind of amazes me that these people can't see what part they're playing in this whole drama.

It's pretty incredible. One of the ones that stood out to me the most was, I can't remember what the name of the British journalist was who, when Piers Morgan was interviewing Nick Fuentes, he brought him on. He's like Lord something or other. Yeah, I mean, I'm not in the Holly, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, me, Mom died in Holly. It got to the point where, I mean, this is somebody who he was so attacked that, you know, by bad words on the internet. That two weeks after that aired,

he's advocating, he's saying literally in public that he is more scared of white men than he is of Muslims in his country. Even though he's a Jew. And this is what we always see. It was the interview that thing with Nick and that Nick did with Vincent James. and was that guy's name Adam King or something like that and Gavin McGinnis where he asked him he said if you had to destroy Islam or you had to destroy the Catholic Church would you destroy and he's like the Catholic Church it's like I mean guys not only is there precedent it's like universal precedent has there ever been an instance in history where Jews by and large sided with Christians against the Muslims I mean you know they play both

sides, but by and large, whether you look at, you know, the conquest of Spain or the conquest of Jerusalem, the local Jews have almost always sided with the Islamic invaders over the local Christians. That's just how it's always been. And, you know, I understand that the Zionist Christians are, you know, let's face it, bumpkins, but like, come on, we have AI. You can do the research. To go back to what we were talking about, when we were talking about myths. Americans are so they're so bought into myths that to get somebody to even look at like the revolution as as anything other than a tax protest or we want our independence because we just don't want to be told what to do anymore.

Okay, sure. Or the myths of World War II. Oh, you know, we had to side with Stalin who had already killed what. 10 to 15 million in the Reds' terror. We had to side with him because, you know, Germany bad. Well, here's what's especially nefarious about these myths is each myth is a retcon on the previous myth, right? So, you know, I write a lot about how the founding fathers were left wing for their

time, which is true. But, you know, we're not talking about people who would side with Antifa today by any means. They were New World Nationalists, basically. At the same time, you know, the Civil War, they framed, the North framed the Revolutionary War as a fight for freedom, which it was. And then they retcon the Civil War as a fight for the freedom of black slaves, which to some extent it was. But, you know, there's, you know, states' rights and economic reasons with the cotton. later on, you get World War II, which was a basically a hegemonic global war over who was going to be the superpower of the world. They retcon that into it was a fight to save the Jews.

Like if you asked some one on the street, they would say that World War II, the U.S. joined World War II to save the Jews from Germany, right? But obviously that's not what happened. But that's what the retcon is. and this retcon then colors the previous myths and then you have the myth of civil rights which leads into the myths of today and then you get propaganda movies

of like, you know, red tails were actually blacks were like a huge part in World War II and there were fighter aces killing Germans and, you know, Steven Spielberg was at Saving Private Ryan, right, where all the Germans are skinheads and we're fighting for, you know, whatever was fighting against people who hate Jews in the 90s, you know, because that was a big thing in the 1990s.

It's just a constant retcon over and over again into this mush. So at some point, you know, the average person doesn't even have any concept of the previous myth. It's just whatever is the current myth. Colored with, you know, the other stuff, right? So what is the play they have on Broadway, the Hanukes? Hamilton. Yeah, that's the colloquial understanding of the Revolutionary War is Hamilton, you know. Yeah. One of the things that you talk about, and you've already touched on it, is just how, you know,

how civilizations die. And you, you know, blood sacrifice, satanic practices, and the, you talk about the normalization of genitalization. mutilation. Obviously, we can talk about, you can talk about abortion, how many, you know, how many white people have been killed through abortion over the last, you know, since, at least in this country, say, in 1973. How do we come back from this? I mean, well, let me ask you this. Obviously, you mentioned October 7th and, you know, that that was, to me, after October 7th happened, and I saw the reaction by Israel, and I saw just how so many commentators who had never talked about their Jewishness before just came out as bloodthirsty lunatics or, you know, just metast. How do you see October 7th as a paradigm shift, how this leading to the end of this civilization?

Well, this whole conflict in the Middle East is obviously very apocalyptic, very eschatological, right? I would say that what's scary about the conflict is it seems basically everybody is in agreement that this is kind of the final showdown. Like, whether that's going to be the case or not is out of everybody's control. But, you know, the Muslims, they believe that the Mahdi is going to come down, and the Jews believe that they're going to build a third temple and sacrifice the heifers and, you know, Gog and Magog and all that. And these crazy Christian lunatics, the, what is it, a dispensationalist, they believe in kind of the same thing, but also they basically believe in the Jewish line of events. They just believe that they're going to magically win at the end, unexplained. It's just going to work out. And so we all have to go along with their hijinks.

It also seems like this is a turning point for the American Empire. It seems like this is kind of our, what is it, our Suez Crisis moment, as some people have called it. I don't know if, you know, on an international level, the U.S. isn't going to be a global superpower, but then the question is what's going to happen on the home front? And I'm not really sure if I can answer that question, though, it will be kind of interesting. The U.S.'s wealth is generated by our presence on the international stage.

It will definitely be interesting to see what kind of dye is cast in the aftermath of the petra dollar, no longer being the World Reserve currency. So I actually believe that like Zionism is done. And it's, but it's like Rome. You know, Rome, Rome had fallen 200 years before it, before it actually fell. People were writing about its decline well before what historically we would call it its actual decline. I don't think that takes as long for the nation of Israel because they seriously were just on a suicide mission at this point. Does Zionism go away if the, if the state of Israel, goes away, or if the state of Israel

become something else, you know, I've been saying it needs to become a a Western type global homo leftist kind of you know, that will solve the basic problems of Israel and they're drawing us

into conflicts and they're warring and everything. But the ideas don't go away. But I do think that this is some kind of end. What comes next? I mean, the, I would say the thing that that I said about all of this, these strikes and actions for Israel in the last year, you know, the thing I always went to was, well, you know, we have 40 to 50 million people who don't belong here. California is not really

America anymore. Minneapolis isn't really America anymore. You can make the argument, Virginia is probably fallen or is falling. I think the GOP may have just gave it away. There are parts of the country where white people just don't want to go, don't want to live. So I've always been like, we have problems here and why are we doing anything over there? Everything should be concentrated here. So how does this play out here? How do we solve this problem? I mean, I mean, you can, people want to talk about a, like a regional kind of civil war. I've heard that. Then you always have the kind of people who talk about Turner Diaries, kind of open race war.

I don't think anybody, anybody wants that. What is the answer? I think that the Jewish model of doing things for the first, to an extent, is an effective model. Because what are the Jews? You know, they're merchants or whatever, but they're also kind of a piratical people. There are people who, you know, they travel around. They're internationalists, but they're still cohesive.

And I think that the future of our people, people who are non-NPCs, white people, people who want to see the West continue, kind of in the same vein as, you know, know, the diaspora of Armenians or the diaspora of Jews, I think that we need to see ourselves kind of as a piratical people that are not totally married to this idea of the nation state. You know, you see people, mainly white people, traveling to places like Thailand and Latin America and creating their own little America communities, but they're not really, even if they're like not racialist at all, they're not assimilating with the low. culture, right? Kind of like the golden age of Greek colonialism in like the fifth and fourth and

third century in the Mediterranean. So I see something like that as a option until at least, you know, these states are no longer powerful enough to exert their will. You know, I tell people a lot of the time, this is the whole idea that you can like combat the U.S. government. is ridiculous. It would be like saying, you know, would you try to start a rebel movement in the USSR in 1967? No, that wouldn't be very intelligent. But maybe, just maybe, you could create a clandestine organization of people that are more amenable to this idea of being kind of a pirate, like a Jew or an Armenian, where you're a sleeper until someday, hopefully 1991 comes and you've accumulated enough assets, enough resources, enough human capital as well, enough standing in society to be

able to potentially take advantage of a situation like that when it comes. A lot of the people who were able to take over the Russian Federation in some way up until perhaps when Putin really clamped things down were not really in high standing under the USSR, but they were able to make a name for themselves out of the ashes. And I think that that should be the mindset. There's this whole fantasy that, you know, you can have this whole red dawn scenario, but instead of fighting the Russians or Chinese, you're fighting the U.S. government. And I just think that it's it's not fruitful. It's not healthy. Well, maybe it's a sign, maybe of some virility, but, you know, in the modern world, we just can't be humoring these kinds of ideas. And we need to

try to work smarter in that way. You know, you don't see Jews raising armies to, you know, overthrow their enemies. I mean, they have Israel, right? But they're not, you know, trying to overthrow Spain with an army of mercenaries, right? If anything, when it comes to Spain, they'll probably throw a bunch of money at it. So I would say, I would say we should definitely look at some of these peoples that are more successful in the modern era. Yeah, I guess the I struggle with the most is people who think that the way to do this is to take over, you know, it's like infiltrate the government and everything. And, you know, I think back to what Evela talked about where, you know, one of his biggest, you know, one of the reasons why he had a lot of friction

what the National Socialist was is because he was like, this is not a system that you want anything to do with. This system is not worthy of you. So you don't. want to say you have to be outside of this system and I think that a lot of the way going forward is going to be basically nullification whether that is in your mind in your own mind and local local areas where you're just nullifying the regime and you're saying no we're not going to do this and as the regime is as this regime is dying it just it hasn't had the power to crack down on masses and masses upon masses of people who are out in the area, out in the country that are just like, no, we're going to, we're going to do things the way

we want. And, you know, we're not, we're just not listen. We're not going to listen to you. And we're just, you know, no, no, we're not going to do that. So, I mean, I think, I think that's just, it seems to me that's the way forward when you have a dying. regime. Yeah, and they won't be able to. They use these, you know, kind of black swan events like Waco or Ruby Ridge, which, by the way, it's been 30 years plus. You know, I don't think that they're really in the market to do that again, especially with the internet, but they use these black swan events as kind of a way to scare people into not doing what they don't want to do, which is to actually create communities outside of the purview of the, US federal government. And we see with the return to the land, they're doing a pretty good job. And that's the most outward expression of that. And they're being purposefully outward to create legal precedent. But for every return to the land, there's 100 clandestine versions of these communities that are popping up. And that's what I mean by this whole idea of like, you know,

being outside the system, being a pirate, accumulating resources for yourself and your own. And just not being particularly invested in where the U.S. government, goes because the US government is a evil frankly satanic institution and you know even from this like you know metaphysical perspective if you don't want to try to influence it or infiltrate because you'll be corrupted which is definitely true but even from a purely you know logical reasonable perspective you can see if you know your history okay who did the people who currently run the regime subvert it from. They took it from wasps, okay, millenarian wasps who basically oftentimes felt themselves as kindreds to the Jews, right? And were ard and Zionists. I mean, the state of

Israel basically owes his existence to people like Woodrow Wilson, who was a millinarian wasp Protestant. So it was pretty easy for them to infiltrate with the millinarians and the Anglican or Episcopalian, so we call it in the United States, to create a fusion elite and subvert this elite from the inside out. But you think that you're going to subvert them. They know exactly what you're up to because they did it. Whereas, you know, the WASP elite was basically totally open to these relatively high IQ, white passing Ivy League educated Jews who were plus. but smart and intermarried with the old elite. Whereas, you know, you're just some chud and they can smell you from a mile away.

So, you know, how are you going to infiltrate? You're just going to be their goy and, you know, post memes on their Twitter account while they're dropping bombs on people who, you know, by all means should actually be your ally. Not only that, you're basically supporting and cheering on people who run cover for the Epstein's of the world. Anyone who knows anything about the GOP should know that on all levels it is just ran through with homosexuals. It's like, I mean, people want to call themselves Christians. And it's like, okay, well, you know, we, the GOP is our answer. It's this is how we're, this is how we're going to do it.

It's like what with homosexuals and pedrass? What are you even, what are you asking people to subject themselves to? Yeah, it'd be like, if you lived in Nazi Germany and your friend ran a strastrous newspaper and you said, posters are in control because they let us run our strastrous newspaper. That's what these guys posting memes on the White House Twitter page are. Yeah, it's remarkable watching that, watching the, oh, these, look at the based memes. Maybe when it comes to deportations or immigration enforcement, some of the memes are based. I mean, you basically had everyone in charge come out and say,

Yeah, this is a Jewish war. There's nothing that we're getting out of this. This is basically for Israel. And the base chuds running that account are just running interference for, what I think is one of the great propaganda slogans that the Iranians came out with is the Epstein class. I mean, this is turned into the Epstein administration. So, I mean, what am I supposed to do?

I was willing to give them a shot. And now it's failed. And I don't see them, how are they coming back from this? You have the midterms coming up and people are paying more for gas. They're not only paying more for gas, everything is transported with fuel. So the price of everything else is going up. People are not ideological. They mostly vote with their wallets.

So if they're, if they've seen prices go up, even since, you know, Biden, the Biden administration, which is just the Epstein administration, what they're just going to vote for more, more of the same. I mean, people, like I said, people aren't ideological. They're pretty friggin practical. Yeah, I think the white pill of this whole situation is that, uh, the, you know, the, you. State sanction right wing in the United States has basically forever lost legitimacy with basically any person with the IQ above 120, which isn't a lot of people, to be fair. But those are the people who actually matter when it comes to running the government. Now, the left, though, they still have some legitimacy and they're going to be running some anti-Zionist, you know, kosher. anti-Zionist candidates, right?

Like people like Zoran and AOC, so they still have legitimacy. But I think that there's something to say about this idea of a lot of people, especially the best and brightest on the right wing, basically throwing in the towel with mainstream right-wing politics and moving on to things that frankly aren't going to waste their time. And, you know, I've found in my own area that when people basically stop wasting their time with mainstream politics, if they can, you know, rub some of their brain cells together, they can very quickly find ways to be effective in non-political ways

that will eventually snowball potentially into things that will affect politics. But, you know, if you're still going to like your local, you know, county, Republican, whatever, like, you just need to stop wasting your time with that. I mean, maybe if you live in like some deep, South County or something, maybe it's worth it. But for the most part, like, it's all run. And we all know that it's all run by gay mafias that, like,

roofy college students. And, you know, so the more that people understand all of this is just a waste of time to siphon your money to Israel. And they allow their institutions to be ran by these weird gay DC types, the more that people will be able to actually direct their energy towards things that will be productive, that potentially will lead us into some kind of place in the sun. And by the way, that's where the Jews started off with, with their mafia. You know, they weren't particularly concerned with politics other than getting a little cutout

for themselves in New York on a scraft, right? They start out with, you know, things like Meyer Lansky, starting Las Vegas or all of these rackets and raising money and capital, buying real estate, so that someday they could send their kids to Ivy League schools and they could buy off their politicians and they could create their own state in the Middle East, right? I mean, think about it. If white people have that kind of power, I mean, who's to say they couldn't buy their own Israel in like Peru or something, right?

Like that's the kind of level that we're talking about. But, you know, unfortunately, if you don't have a certain threshold of resources, you're basically an NPC in this game. Unfortunately, even when you start to pull away the myths one by one and you go backwards in history and all the reccon and everything, once you get back to the original myths, well, you're just right back where we started from back down the road to here. Well, we need something new for sure. Yeah. You know, people my age, and it's partly due to the education system, the history class basically didn't pay it to. to the Revolutionary War or the formative years of the United States,

they mainly paid attention to the more important myths to the regime, which is like World War II. And so what happened was people my age got obsessed with World War II, and then they got red-pilled, and now they have a new myth, which is this idea of like Yaqui's Imperium or Fortress Europe, This idea that, you know, the destiny of European peoples is to reunite into some, you know, epic global empire that conquers the stars, right? Like, who cares about, you know, Yankee Doodle, whatever. There's a new myth now amongst young people.

And I think that is very fertile ground for a new kind of renaissance or intellectual revolution. That could potentially be, you know, like a new America. I mean, the Americans, they weren't, I mean, they were inspired by the Magna Carta and some of the rights that were given by, you know, the royalty. But they were explicitly, at least at one point in the mid years of the war, they were explicitly anti-monarchist. And they took their inspiration from older myths like the Roman Republic and Athenian democracy, right? So I kind of see this kind of genesis of a new myth there, whether it's going to take off or not. see it. Well, what I've been saying lately is, is that it's definitely time to build an arc, but you're only going to be in that arc for so long when the water subsides and you land on dry land.

You have to have something to build upon. You're going to have a foundation to build upon. And while you're building an arc right now, you have to figure out exactly what that is. and that you can build an arc on your own. It's better to build an arc with other people, but you can't think about when the water goes away of what it's going to be for just you. You have to be building that with other people. So if you are not out there with like-minded people

looking at what the future, building towards what you think is going to be best in the future. Right now, you're just, you know, You're not going to do this by posting on Twitter. Yeah, in a word, we live in a society, right? We're social creatures. All right. So your book is the American regime.

It is available through Antelope Hill. I have a coupon. I have a code through Antelope Hill PQ. You have 5% off any order. And, yeah, I would encourage people to go and to go and get it and read it. And I think your book is also good for people who even, I don't think you have to be someone who's been in this scene for a long time to get a lot out of your book.

I think your book can actually be written by people who are coming in the process of coming over to this side to help them on their journey. Do you think that's accurate? Yeah, I wrote the book to be straight. You know, I didn't get too garbled into, you know, philosophical jargon. I just wanted, especially with like the racial or JQ stuff, it's, you know, easy to, if you've been in the scene for a long time, it's easy to just be self-referential. I wanted something that was definitive that had totally bulletproof arguments that, you know, you basically have to be retarded to disagree with in certain instances.

You know, I mean, it's just so straight in your face. Like a lot of the arguments, they're like hatchling arguments on the left, you know. And this kind of, you know, sweeps that away and says, here's the studies. Here is the data. And if you don't see a pattern there, I don't know, maybe you're retarded. Well, unfortunately, there are a lot of, you know, know, it is the internet and it's made, made it easy for people to get together. But it also makes it so that a lot of retarded people have a tendency to, and, you know,

you try to work with them as best you can. So, no, I appreciate it. I appreciate your time. I encourage everybody to go to go by the book. I'll have a link to it in the show notes. And hopefully we can talk again sometime. and maybe even go a little bit deeper. So Christian, thank you very much.

Yeah, I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on.